Haahaa, I remember St Pancras as a kid - InterCity 125s were the Daddies. The whole station was filled with a dark smog. You could literally taste the diesel! It’s incredible how well they transformed St Pancras & Kings X. Hope the new Euston brushes up well too.
The feeling of excitement for the passenger is great. Can you imagine how it must feel for the driver, opening the taps to over 4,000hp? Well, let me tell you, it makes the hair on your neck stand up, and the reason I know, is because it was me driving that HST....
@@tomgauntlestrange Yep, and get some Nameplates made up for one power car of your choice..... "Greta Thunberg"..... I will happily be there with you at the unveiling too !!!!!! 👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Notice how BMW put fake engine noises in their I8 electric sports car? They understand the role of sound when it comes to fun factor even if it can be perceived as noise pollution.
I noticed that some of the hsts gave a high squeal/scream mutated sound rather than the usual scream, particularly the MML(when it was)units. That Hornby HST was another one that give a similar note to this.
East midlands line, good old I C 125 lives on in a new livery and company name. I have seen a cold start at Paddington, the diesel smoke is soot black. staining the lovely iron work with carbon deposits.
Looked like a normal departure for that type of engine to me. This was a very common sight on the BR WR / GWR with class 43 HST services. It's what you get when a diesel-generator set (with that type of engine) goes from sitting running with no significant load, but then has to supply lots of power to the traction motors to haul the train forward at what is a fairly rapid rate of acceleration (compared to other traction in service when it was designed).
It also sounds like the turbocharger is huge, so it takes a long time for it to spool up and supply the correct amount of air needed to burn the diesel oil supplied.
@@Runeakb There are 2 turbochargers, made by Napier. They are about the size of a small car engine. That smoke you see is a mix of oil travelling down the valve stems, past the seals and unburned fuel. The black smoke is what you see when the turbo is slow to spool up. Look at a newly overhauled Valenta (none available now, so look at old videos) and you'll see they are darker. This is a shocking state of maintenance.
Mark, I don't know how old you are, so you may not remember them when new. Back then they were a little smoky, as all diesel engines of the era were. But nothing like this. You have a mix of turbo lag, which results in black smoke (partially burned fuel) and this was the most common colour when they were being properly maintained. This is something else; this is a mix of oil seeping past the valve stem seals, or even turbo seals, together with unburned fuel, which is indicative of poorly maintained injectors and / or injector timing error... I am not sure if the injector timing point is fixed or variable on the Valenta- perhaps someone could confirm.
@@steamlocomotivesltdjamesh6760Think it's to bring them up to 21st century rules that (afaik) demanded LED running lights. Most companies did the twin headlight arrangement, however the Midland region went with this triple light setup
@aye480bat720 I've just thumbs upped the shit out of your comment. What you said makes perfect sense. Don't forget the other benefit to your idea though, the HUGE creation of jobs. :)
I really wonder is it the weather or do are all the British diesels terrible? Black smoke when departing or accelerating is normal, it means rich mixture in cylinders. But blue or grey smoke means there's something in engine really wrong! And I didn't see any video that a British diesel doesn't smoke blue or white or grey!
very sad these days being a rail enthusiast having to live in the past. all and i do mean ALL new rail stuff is cheap and nasty and stupidly expensive to travel on.
"Smoking on this station is not allowed"
Haahaa, I remember St Pancras as a kid - InterCity 125s were the Daddies. The whole station was filled with a dark smog. You could literally taste the diesel! It’s incredible how well they transformed St Pancras & Kings X. Hope the new Euston brushes up well too.
“Unless you is a locomotive with a full load o’ soot in yer engine!”
These engines always sounded great, before they replaced them. Great video, and thanks for sharing.
VP185 is still around
That brought back the exciting feeling of sitting on a train as it pulled off to go somewhere. I never really wondered what the scream was.
The feeling of excitement for the passenger is great. Can you imagine how it must feel for the driver, opening the taps to over 4,000hp? Well, let me tell you, it makes the hair on your neck stand up, and the reason I know, is because it was me driving that HST....
If the HST was a human, it would have been knighted by HM the Queen for services to travel and awesome ROAR! God save the HST!!!
Yeah, and give them back their original engines!
I agree but not for their service to clean air!
i win lottery im buying the railways and bringing these back, Whole new fleet with original engines.
@@tomgauntlestrange Yep, and get some Nameplates made up for one power car of your choice..... "Greta Thunberg".....
I will happily be there with you at the unveiling too !!!!!! 👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Notice how BMW put fake engine noises in their I8 electric sports car? They understand the role of sound when it comes to fun factor even if it can be perceived as noise pollution.
I'd like to have that sound on my alarm clock! Gorgeous! Thanks for sharing
R.I.P Valenta HST’s 1976-2010
Lol... I used to love it when the drivers used to show off in these trains. Full power clag-o-rama!
Beautiful pollution as only the British can create. Love them.
BYE BYE HST THANKS FOR YA SERVICE 1982-2021 🥺🥺🥺 THOSE ENGINES were deafening lol
Super clag !
I miss the valentas
fantastic clag... great video:)
Thank you for uproad!!
Valenta!
I adore this old livery!
Grand Central 43065: I am the beast of screams
East Midlands Trains 43064: Hold my VP185
this is also a valenta
Wow good clag from that valenta
wow im so happy they still use hsts on the st pancras line with paxman engines
Great stuff 5***** cheers.
WOOOOOOW The old sound too ^^
Imagine getting off of a Eurostar to be greeted by a station full of smoke and screaming turbos 🙂
Thats knackered!
The high-pitched squeal is much more apparent in 43064 than most other power cars I've seen.
Very nice. Thumbs up! :)
wow nice one!
I noticed that some of the hsts gave a high squeal/scream mutated sound rather than the usual scream, particularly the MML(when it was)units. That Hornby HST was another one that give a similar note to this.
That scream and all for 20mph!
BEAST
East midlands line, good old I C 125 lives on in a new livery and company name. I have seen a cold start at Paddington, the diesel smoke is soot black. staining the lovely iron work with carbon deposits.
Woooo Weeee old livery and it looked and sounded just like them old days shame they aren't like that in 2013 :(
And im writing this almost 15 years later
There goes another piece British engineering history, Its bloody tragic
@aye480bat720 the power car on the back has a vp185
Early East midlands trains livery. Smoky departure of class 43 HST
Looked like a normal departure for that type of engine to me. This was a very common sight on the BR WR / GWR with class 43 HST services. It's what you get when a diesel-generator set (with that type of engine) goes from sitting running with no significant load, but then has to supply lots of power to the traction motors to haul the train forward at what is a fairly rapid rate of acceleration (compared to other traction in service when it was designed).
It also sounds like the turbocharger is huge, so it takes a long time for it to spool up and supply the correct amount of air needed to burn the diesel oil supplied.
@@Runeakb There are 2 turbochargers, made by Napier. They are about the size of a small car engine. That smoke you see is a mix of oil travelling down the valve stems, past the seals and unburned fuel. The black smoke is what you see when the turbo is slow to spool up. Look at a newly overhauled Valenta (none available now, so look at old videos) and you'll see they are darker. This is a shocking state of maintenance.
Mark, I don't know how old you are, so you may not remember them when new. Back then they were a little smoky, as all diesel engines of the era were. But nothing like this. You have a mix of turbo lag, which results in black smoke (partially burned fuel) and this was the most common colour when they were being properly maintained. This is something else; this is a mix of oil seeping past the valve stem seals, or even turbo seals, together with unburned fuel, which is indicative of poorly maintained injectors and / or injector timing error... I am not sure if the injector timing point is fixed or variable on the Valenta- perhaps someone could confirm.
@derekstuart5234 Don't the Valentas only have one turbo?
Whys the rear power car running idle?
It's being VP'd at neville hill currently
I've been on that train
Which sounds better valentas or VP185s
The EMT hst's aren't MTU at all, they are all VP185 engined apart from 43089 where at present, is a valenta.
what a beast that valentasceam!
5*
12 years, no likes. I will give you one :)
@@ctra1ns ta apreciate it
Father showing son, how its suppose to be done :P
ROAR!!!
It is fun
0:21 well that was sudden 😂😂😂
I ment to put old livery and Sound.
0:21 Pollution haters are gonna have a field day with that.
Your right but I got mixed up with ECML sorry about that :-)
Ironically this was the Valenta that got dropped into 089 and blew up!
Hellfire!! At 0:20
I love the sound, scream and looks.... just wish it never produced so many bloody fumes.
No, it's a VP185. At speed they sound a bit like a Valenta.
Rare to see a Valenta and a VP185
so much for LEZ
@HST43068 no its a valenta vp185s dont scream like that this must have been before the emt hsts had the vals replaced with vp185s
Whoever said that smoking was bad for you were quite clearly lying....
Thrashtastic!
Who would of thought life would be like this also🤷🏽♂️
Maybe in 2040 yh not 2020/1
Nearly as much smoke as my old mondeo
why don't my car sound like this ??
Snorts like a bull and flys like an eagle.
Go Steam! ! ! ! ! No? It's A Valenta Thrash Clag!
The old EMT livery looks much better than todays
Wayy before eurostar and 395 javelin
Why did they change the headlights on the valenta
Why did they change the headlights on the hst
@@steamlocomotivesltdjamesh6760Think it's to bring them up to 21st century rules that (afaik) demanded LED running lights. Most companies did the twin headlight arrangement, however the Midland region went with this triple light setup
@aye480bat720 I've just thumbs upped the shit out of your comment. What you said makes perfect sense. Don't forget the other benefit to your idea though, the HUGE creation of jobs. :)
And 50 people on the platform breathe that in...prognosis?
internet123ism2 the last Valenta powered HST in National Rail service was in 2010
If we had gone from steam to electric without diesels, trains would have become boring.
i thought london had (lez) low emissions zone??
It was 2008 and I think the engine was phased out.
I really wonder is it the weather or do are all the British diesels terrible? Black smoke when departing or accelerating is normal, it means rich mixture in cylinders. But blue or grey smoke means there's something in engine really wrong! And I didn't see any video that a British diesel doesn't smoke blue or white or grey!
Of course they sound like a Valenta, they are built by Paxman after all......
Sounds like the rear unit's an MTU.
It's a MML/EMT so most likely one that was VP185 converted, nothing like an MTU at all
These trains look like mike wazowski
so whats mega clag?
Big smoke
poooweeeeeeer!!!!!!!!
Im glad EMT din't put MTUs
20% of the EMT power cars do have the MTU engines, with the remaining 80% having VP185s
@@RWL2012those being ex-Grand Central, when this video was filmed Grand Central barely existed
......Euro4 ..5? no that'll be the new Brexit
Nah the paxmans are gone they all use MTUs now so no more clag Good news for the polar bears
polution polution poli\ution
Sounds a bit poorley
Steam hst
Euro 0! :-P
EURO -6 ;)
I didn’t hear clang! Disappointed.
Clag = smoke
very sad these days being a rail enthusiast having to live in the past. all and i do mean ALL new rail stuff is cheap and nasty and stupidly expensive to travel on.
That was really bad