TuneECU Tutorial
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2022
- This is how easy it is to flash a map to your modern Triumph Motorcycle.
Link to the US and CAN tune:
drive.google.com/file/d/1avsI...
For All Countries(Euro) models:
drive.google.com/file/d/1FSM6...
Steps:
1) Get an Android device
2) Get the LX bluetooth adapter
3) Cut a hole in that box
4) Pair the Android device to the LX adapter
5) Load TuneECU
6) Download or build your map
7) Connect to ECU
8) Reprogram ECU
9) Reset Adaptives
10) Profit
Link to LX Bluetooth adapter:
amzn.to/3Ba5pfJ
Link to TuneECU software:
tuneecu.fr - Авто та транспорт
Hey Dave, great tutorial. I just loaded your 3 Oct 22 map on my stock 2022 Speed Twin, with the baffles removed. The throttle response is so much better than before, and the power and speed come on much faster.
Beer Money! Ive been able to learn by watching. Also, since I can view changes you made I can see how certain changes affect things and then make my own. Its fun too when you know you are running your own tune!
Glad I could help, and thanks!
Thanks again for the map. Your tuneecu instructions made it a breeze to transfer to the bike. I only had a little time to ride today, much better throttle response in sport mode.
Thank you for this. As a new To neECU userI used it to remap my Sprint ST 1050.
Great detail and clearly conveyed.
I'm tempted to try this tune with my 2023 Thruxton RS.
Great video, thanks for sharing
Is that the 900cc or 1200cc variant? If it worked then i would love to hear about your experience!
Hey man! I remember you from the triumph forums. Great to see the progress you've made on this bike. I eventually moved on to a daytona and then an rsv4 😅 getting this beauty for daily, travel, cafe runs etc. Amazing to see your map development. I binned my daytona ecu (some voltage snaffu with the battery charger), even Alain couldn't help out and was quite shocked. Stopped messing with ecu flashes post that. 😅
But will definitely be trying out your map once I get the bike. Bike rides great but has some Euro5 shit down low.
Thank you so much very helpful
Really helpful video, thanks.... Intriguing that at the mo its only effective for the first 4 gears. Look forward to an update.
Yeah, still waiting on an answer to that question from the developer.
@@SquireSCA Dave did you see my question over on one of your other videos asking about a noise on my bike, and I even left you a link to a video of my noise?
@@mitchsmith71 I did not. YT is funny sometimes, when people leave comments with links, they don't post and I don't get alerts.
The ETV tables apply to all gears, I have confirmed that
Hi Dave! Great tut!. I have a Speed Twin 2020 (EU4) with x-pipe, k&n airfilter, Mass slip-on without dbkillers. I runs very well but I have a lot of decel pops. Do you think a new map will fix some of it? Still got the o2 sensors connected. I live in Sweden btw. I ve been told that is no SAI on this model, correct? Is it possible to get some help with a map from you? Will get my Odb next week. Thanks! Great channel btw!!
Since it’s raining go to hardware store for thick shims for shocks take one top spool with you just saying should take care of shock problems
I don;t want to shim the springs, I need to order the right springs for my weight. I found a place in South Carolina that has them in stock for like $84 each, so I will order them later today and have them by the end of the week.
Thanks alot Dave for sharing your gold, much appreciated. Im gonna test it all on my 2019 Speed Twin and Im located in Denmark so I will have to use another map - no problem.
I have one question: Is it possible to do "download" the map currently in my bike to the TuneECU program? Thatway I can compared it to the map I have made.
Keep on the good work mate :)
Best Regards
Hardy
Dave - do You have an answer for my question? Is it possible to download the map from my bike to TuneECU?
Have a great day mate
Thanks!
You are welcome, and thank you!
Nice, we are not far from you in Columbia SC. Current stable of 3 Triumphs. Question, thinking of adding a Speed Twin (If we can find one). How is the Speed Twin for long haul rides (ie if we went from Columbia to ATL, or Columbia to Barber or to Jax) ? We have a 2001Trophy 1200, 2021 Tiger GT LRH and a 96 Thunderbird. Wife is looking for something to tool around with and make some short rides up to the Mountains. Will get Tune ECU!
I don't find it particularly comfortable. Maybe with a better seat? It's fun to ride, but if I am going longer distances, I am reaching for the ZX14R's key...
Please let us know how the gears1-4 being tuned separately from gears 5-6 thing can be solved. I'm not messing with it at all, until it's gonna give me more top end power in gears 5&6. Thats all I'm really after. Thanx man, your channel is by far the most informative one on this bikes tuning.
Will do. Waiting on an answer from them...
Its solved, it applies the values to all gears if you select all the boxes
@@SquireSCA hey Dave, may I enquire where that selection of boxes page would be located. Looking to do a tune on my Rocket 3R. Thanks
@@davidturner8301 When you are looking at the F tables, click on Map, then Devices... that will show you the rev limiter... in the bottom left corner is an option, click it and it opens up a page that should have O2 and SAI....
Thanks for the video! I have the same 2022 Speed Twin bike as you but the euro model. Is there really a secondary cat in each pipe? I had no idea about that.
Yeah, your dB killers seem to be welded in, rather than held in by a screw, and if you pop the muffler off and look at the midpipe end, you will see a CAT stuffed up in there...
Hey Dave, thanks for making these videos, I've been learning a lot. Out of curiosity I downloaded tune ecu and then downloaded the factory map for my 22' Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer and looked at them, holy cow is this thing lean (14.7 on afr)! And the throttle body's only open 67% at wot in sport mode (#3). Could you take a glance at that to see if I'm reading them correctly? It's map #31209. How much can be changed? I never used tune ecu before, thanks.
That is an AFR target, not the actual AFR. You can lower those to 13.25 and it should make some areas a little richer.
I will pull up the map in a little bit and see what's up with the throttle maps
@@SquireSCA Sounds good, thanks. I watched a couple more of your videos and wanted to ask if you if you figured out what was going on in 5th and 6th gear defaulting to old F table values instead of the values you modified?
@@nscott26 Turns out it was fine. On older bikes there was a table for each gear. On the new bike, they put more than 1 gear in a couple of the tables. By applying to all 4 tables applies it to all 6 gears.
Hi, good video, I just wanted to double check on the read/write map situation. I have a 13+ Daytona which shows on the tune ecu site to be the same as yours in terms of needing the Bluetooth OBD LX link, which is fine, it doesn't show read it just shows diag/write same as how it is listed for your speed twin, I think my bike has a different map to stock on it already, is there a way for me to save my current map or would I have to go through and take a photo/notes of all the tables and re-input them to a re-downloaded stock map if I don't know which map has been previously installed?
Basically I just want to keep the map that is currently on there but adjust the speedo/tacho percentage when I change the front sprocket but i'm fairly sure when it does that it writes the whole map. Also in the future if I did want to change any small areas but keep the current map saved it seems to me like that's not possible if I haven't downloaded a map first.
Thanks in advance 👍
I am honestly not sure, and I would hate to steer you wrong and have you brick your ECU. Do you have the ability to find the older Windows app, and the bluetooth cable and used that? I don't know that the Android version has the ability to adjust the speedo calibration. It might, but I have never seen it in there.
@@SquireSCA Thanks for quick reply, I have a pc and elm327 connector I use to connect to my Ford but because the TuneECU website said the pc version is not supported I wasn't sure I could find anywhere to download the old version.
I think I will do a little more research, probably still get the Bluetooth adaptor to work with my other android device but make sure I don't download or change anything map wise until I find out more. Will let you know how I go, cheers.
Hii Dave Just a Quick question.. can I use the wired obd port instead of the Bluetooth one? Thanks :)
I don't think so. I think that TuneECU wants to use the BT version
@@SquireSCA thanks a lot :)
Thanks for a very good video. Just one question. If you only adjust the throttle position on the etv table, what about fuel and timing. Will the ecu automatically compensate?
Different tables... ETV reads how much you twist it, and gives a value of how much to open the physical throttleplates. THAT number is what the fuel and ignition tables use, so its already baked in.
Otherwise, you would need to retune the fuel and ignition when changing from Rain, to Road, to Sport. The bike only has one set of fuel and ignition tables, and all three power modes use them.
@@SquireSCA ok thanks for the help. Don't think I'm comfortable fiddling with that. If the ecu doesn't compensate for the etv changes automatically.
@@bennievercueil5774 No, it doesn't HAVE to compensate. I did a video covering all of this...
ua-cam.com/video/ybLjhFhCHlM/v-deo.htmlsi=pLYabtPKl6AYFeWI
@@SquireSCA Thanks a million. That nailed it right on the head for me. Perfectly understand it now.
I got a 2019 1200 XCA Which the power just disappear after 7000-8000 rpm, and that's what I want to try and smooth out.
But thanks again for your time much appreciated.
Hey Dave, great video, I just bought a 2010 Thunderbird 1700 and has flow through silencers and cat replaced with cross tube. Also secondary air injection blocked off. It has deceleration pop and I would like to remap to get rid of that. Any suggestions?
I don't have a tune for a bike that old, but some things to consider... Does your bike have AIS and if so, did you block it? I find that even stock bikes have popping on decel, but with the CAT and stock mufflers, you simply don't hear it. Once you open it up, now you can hear it... Normally, its not a bad thing or indicative of a problem...
I did this 3 weeks ago. Everything went fine but the next day when I started the bike, my engine light turned on. I didn't have time to check it and I was pretty sure it had to be the reset adaptation thing. Went on track that day (you can actually see the engine light on my last video), noticed the throttle improvement (especially since it was a short track, never went over 4th gear), and came back home with no problem.
Then I plugged the obdlink and it was just a wrong placement of the crankshaft which I was able to fix with tune ECU.
If you think that the throttle was improved, try the new map linked in the description.
My first pass was just getting rid of the top end restrictions and leaving everything else alone. The latest map makes Road unrestricted up top, and Sport is still unrestricted and more aggressive everywhere, not just up top. It's now a very linear map, you twist the throttle and it delivers what you ask for, no matter where you are.
@@SquireSCA SOS !! my bike is 765r 2020 ，I follow your video to remaped the ecu. everything went fine but my engine light tuned on, its say erro code p0315 crankshaft posotion not adapted, and i dont know why, I use tuneecu to fix the erro code, but it dosent work, do you know how to fix the erro code? Would you please offer me some advice on THANK YOU!
@@homshen After you flashed the map, did you turn it off, then back on, and then reset adaptives?
@@SquireSCA I fixed the error code in tuneecu《Tests and Adjustment----Crankshaft Position Adaption》
@@homshen Very cool. Usually reset adapatives resets all of those things, but yeah, you can go in and just select that one sensor to reset. I forgot about that, as I haven't ever had to do it myself. Good find!
Does tuneecu support the 2021 Street Scrambler? Is there a map for it?
It does. The only maps available are the ones from Triumph which you download from the app, or maps that people have made for the bike, or that you could make yourself.
Thanks so much for the tutorial. I have the exact same bike and have downloaded your tune. Will reprogram today. Is there a way for me to read and save the stock tune using the app?
Please let me know how the map runs after you ride it?
@@SquireSCA the reprogram went flawlessly. Road mode is now like sport mode but better. Sport mode is like track mode, really aggressive. Thanks again!
@@vc3599 Awesome, glad you like it!
Hey there.
Really nice work man. Thank you.
The link to the most updated version of the map is not working. Do you care to update it?
Are you in the US or Canada? If so:
www.linkedin.com/in/donnamillerphr/
Thanks Dave! Super video :) I would like to download your maps for my 2024 Speed Twin 1200, but your links doesnt seems to work anymore. How can I get these maps? I have KN high flow filters and the H Bomb Motone exhaust and fell these map would be the exacly what I need for the "final touch". Thanks again!
What country?
Canada
@@fredericgagnon3892 Use this, and leave the O2 sensors plugged in
drive.google.com/file/d/13NcegrYvrMvv-Mx-6ctKRhtTMQ9wypsW/view?usp=share_link
Thank you very much :)
Sorry for the question, this will be my first time using Tune Ecu...this map is for the equivalent of having an XPipe, removing the baffles with aftermarket air filters, right? The H Bomb exhaust is pretty new for the Speed Twin 1200, but I assume its pretty much the same has the above and therefore I can use this map. Again, thank you very much...your videos are super helpfull.
Anyone know how to adjust what temp the radiator fan kicks on with tuneecu?
Click on Map, then parameters, then devices, or something like that.
HI Dave, Been watching your vids on tuneECU for a while. I have a 2022 1200XE Scrambler and was told here in the UK you couldn't remap the ecu because it was locked out. The more I read the less I believe this. For example there was a product called a booster plug that use to richen up the mixture but apparently that will cause engine warning lights etc to come on for a euro 5 model. Is this something you've heard about. I dont want to buy all this stuff to find I cant get into the ECU at the first step.
TuneECU supports and has the base map for that bike. You are fine.
Booster Plug is a poor solution... it just dumps more fuel everywhere and like you said, it can throw codes on Euro5 bikes.
I already had a OBDLink MX+ for my other vehicles, but when i plug it into my 23 speed twin, the OBD link app on my iPhone says it can’t communicate with the ECU. Have you seen this issue before? I don’t want to waste money on an android phone if it’s not going to work with this Bluetooth adapter. Thanks!
The MX+ is the preferred adapter to use with TuneECU. Update the firmware on the adapter with the app for that adapter. Also, I don't know if whatever app you are using is compatible to be able to talk to a Triumph ECU.
Hello Dave. I am a rookie when it comes to ECU. I have a 23M Speedmaster, and want to change from stock exhaust to British Customs turn out tips. I have the tablet and OBD Link LX. I know how to change out the pipes, and hook up the ECU (on my tablet) and OBD Link LX. What I don't know is what to do next. I know that I need to re-tune after the pipes are changed, but not sure about the steps on the ECU. Can you give me some assistance?
Well, in order to tune it, you need to change the fueling, and maybe the ignition timing a bit. You can take a general approach and put more fuel into the typically lean cruising range and then taper off that amount as you move up the RPM... That often will get you a "good enough" and keep the motor safe, but its not what you would call optimal...
To get optimal, you need to put the bike on a dyno and see exactly what its doing, and then dial in the precise amount of fuel at every throttle position and RPM range... This will cost you a few hundred bikes... Or, you can check a place like DNK Tuneworks and see if they already had your model of bike on the dyno, and get a map from them.
Those are your 3 options. If you want help with option 1, I can assist with that if you give me the year, country, specific model and last 6 digits of the VIN.
When I was looking at trim tables and made changes I had to apply changes. Once I applied changes the trim table was reset to zeros. Question is, we’re your changes actually applied?
Yes, you can put in trims, and when you flash the map, those trims go to the bike, so they do take effect. It makes for easier mapping when you have to make a few passes, because you always know what changes are currently in place. If you commit the trims then it updates the F tables and you likely won't remember exactly what you did and where.
Not for track use but the 2024 Triumph Bobber (Euro5) will throw an error code if you change sprockets more than a tooth or more! How do you set the ECU for a new set of sprockets?
Some bikes, TuneECU lets you change the sprocket sizes in software... Under Map>Parameters or something like that... Download the base map for your bike into TuneECU and see if its in there... usually in the section where you set the RPM limit, the cooling fan temps and things like that...
Hey there home slice, I've got a cool free mod tip for you all. The north American bikes come with a tail assembly that can be reconfigured with all the factory parts, except the one you need to eliminate, to do a tail tidy. The long bolt with sleeve just needs to be clearanced by drilling the plastic bracket out. Take it apart and it's self explanatory. You just move it under the fender further and all the screws line right up.
Can you give more details on that?
As I said, just take the tail assembly off, and then disassemble it. There's a way to put it back together which eliminates the one plastic bracket. Just move it further under the fender and all the screws line right up. The long bolt with spacer sleeve interferes with the main plastic bracket and just needs a hole drilled in it to clear. It's very simple, and you'll see once you get it apart. I like the way it ends up mounting and retains all factory lighting. Best part is its free!
@@SquireSCA IMHO it looks much cleaner than ANY overpriced tail tidy I've seen. I've had zero issues soo far and nobody ever notices. I've got loads of other cheap or free mods to recommend for the new Speed Twin.
@@andrewbecker3700 I am a visual guy, can you post a pic or video? haha
@@SquireSCA I'm sure I could, but am far too busy today. I'm not internet savy, and would probably be better off emailing a few pics. It's well worth the time, and I suggest you just get in there and disassemble it and see for yourself.
Hye what softwefe for the ipad and do you know how to make backfire while release the throttle?
No iPad version, only android. And no, a backfire tune means it's tuned poorly, and it's bad for the motor. Guys do it because they think it's cool and then wonder why over time they have problems...
Just a quick question. Its forbidden to Tune your ECU in germany if would change the fuel ratio and such its would change the exhaust gas test at the test every two years.
Is it possible or easy to just revert back to the standard mapping back and forth ?
Absolutely. You can download your stock make from TuneECU and save it on your Android device. I would also store a copy of it in a Box or Google Drive folder, just so that if you lost your phone, you have a backup. You can use the improved map until you go for your test, load the original map, get tested, and then go back to your improved map. Takes a few minutes.
I live in a state that doesn't do emissions testing for bikes at all, and in my county, they don't even test cars. But if they did, then the process I mentioned, is what I would do.
I got a question ❓ Are the tunes on TuneECU just as good as if you were to pay for one. For example I have an Aprilia RSV4RR and I can pay $800 (😂 I know right) and have the Aprilia race map installed or I can just use TuneECU... I don't wanna pay $800 but are the TuneECU tubes just as good for free ?
Yes. While I have not tuned an Aprilia with TuneECU, I hear that it can be done. I flashed my 2018 Tuono V4 1100rr with Guzzidiag and a Windows laptop. You can get the Race ECU map from Aprilia and push it to the ECU and make your ECU the race ECU.
The question is, can you get the TuneECU version of the race ECU map? That I don't know. It might depend on the year of the bike. If not with TuneECU, then I expect you can with Guzzidiag which is still free I believe.
Can you recommend a cheap android tablet that has the min specs for this program. Lifetime Apple user here and I dont know anything about Android.
Almost anything will work, but I was using a Samsung A series. I recently got a Pixel Fold phone, which is an Android phone, normal size, but then you unfold it and it turns into an iPad mini sized tablet...
Where do you live?
If my map has been made by tuner on the dyno, can I see it somehow with TuneEcu and check what changes he made?
No, you need to ask your tuner to email the map file to you.
@@SquireSCA Poor me then, they don't want to share it :(
Ok, this is probably a dumb question- I have a 2018 Bobber- the maps I can view through the tune ecu app all look to be modified already. What am I missing? It appears that 30091 would be my correct map, but I not find a base stock tune. I understand I can’t copy the map on my bike- any suggestions? Currently installing BC 2 into 2 drags and pod filters. Any advice is truly appreciated.
I wish people wouldn't do pod filters. They don't always add performance. There is this misconception that more air means more power, and that's not always true. There is a lot more to it than "how much" air. There is intake velocity, there is harmonics and pressure waves, there is the smoothness of the air, etc...
These bolt on pods, how much real R&D do they do? And when they claim significant performance increases, gut "no tuning required"... how can that be? If it changes the flow and harmonics enough to boost power, then it ABSOLUTELY needs a tune... There is no free lunch, as they say.
As for your stock map, its in the TuneECU database that you download from inside TuneECU.
If you want a map for that setup, reach out to DNK. If you are going to put it on a dyno and tune it yourself, download the base map from TuneECU's database. If you need help with that let me know.
@@SquireSCA I’ll get back into tune ecu tonight and double check the map. I do value the input on the filters. I don’t believe they add any performance increase over the airbox. The change is only about the looks, but I don’t want to cause a decrease in performance either. Thanks for the response!
I didn’t think you had to do adaption’s on the new triumphs is this true
You reset them when you push a new map. What you don't have to do is the mythical "12 minute tune" which never actually tuned the bike to begin with...
Hi Dave, I have TuneECU on my Android tablet and have both a 21 Tiger and a 22 Rocket 3. The system can connect to the Tiger, but won't recognize the Rocket. Do you know Rocket is supported?
The Rocket is supported.
@@SquireSCA Good to know, thanks! Please confirm the order of ops to connect. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. 1) Connect OBD reader to bike 2) Fire up TuneECU and Connect to OBD reader 3) Power on Bike. Thanks again!
Hi Dave! I have a bone stock -23 Speed twin 1200 Eu model. Can i use this map for my bike?
Updated the description with the All countries(Euro) version.
@@SquireSCA Ok, nice 👌
@@SquireSCA So then i will use the 2022 Speed Twin All Countries stock exhaust unrestricted map on my speed twin. The latest one is from dec 2022, do you have any newer? And what can you tell me about the Tiger 900 GT Pro All Countries stock unrestricted map?
@@ltmikmod Its the newest. Its an unrestricted map for Sport mode, with some other tweaks. It's not a full tune, because it's for stock bikes.
Hi Dave,
quick question, -if the SAI has been deleted/ turned off, will the green light still show in the sensors page? my bike is showing it has a 30115_4 map on it, shows as downloads 2 and file name is "30115_4 (17/04/19)" as i cant pull the map off I cant tell what's been done to it, or whether its just a stock map that's been loaded as it has a slip on?
compare is only if you have 2 maps downloaded right, not what's on the bike vs a downloaded map so i cant compare it against the 30115 map can I?
thanks
Unfortunately no, you can't pull the map out of the bike. You can read the map number, but that doesn't tell you what is in the map. It will read the map number of the official map, but whether it is stock or modified, no way to tell. I will say though, that if it's only been written to twice, there is a good chance that it is still stock. The original map from the factory and probably the dealer updated it at some point...
The green light showing... as I understand it, getting rid of the O2 and SAI in software doesn't so much disable it, as it disables the error codes if you remove it. If you disable O2 for instance, but leave it plugged in... the ECU will see it and still try to use it, which is why you want to also unplug it...
@@SquireSCA awesome thanks for the help, so even if it were disabled as such. If it were still plugged in it would show green on the sensors page as in there's a sensor attached
@@Lordy23 I would imagine so, but I don't know for sure.
Looking at your AFR table, I notice the bulk of your cells are set to 13.25/1. Are we able to remove cells from closed loop in the AFR map by lowering their values, such that your entire map is now open loop? If so, did you leave your O2 sensors connected? Thanks
No, the cells are what they are. To be honest, nobody has ever shown exactly how much impact editing those tables has on things, but we figure it can't hurt. And I leave O2 active because these bikes run lean AF and you can't tune around idle... Any fuel trims in the idle area are ignored, so the O2 sensors are the only way to keep things from getting too lean at idle...
@@SquireSCA Thanks. Does anybody have any idea which cells are closed loop? It seems that people are all trying to modify the AFR table without realizing that any closed loop cells (which are usually just above idle to 500rpm over 70mph cruise/just off throttle stop to 60-70% throttle) are going to be back at 14.7/1 in pretty short order. Usually idle rpm/TP is not closed loop (richer to prevent overheating), that's probably why they protect it.
So the biggest thing that needs to be changed on these bikes is the super lean/super hot 14.7/1 closed loop cells in the AFR tables; are you aware of any way to do that with this techno wizard program? Is there an O2 sensor Bias Voltage table?
@@jonganzer7478 No. What needs to be changed are the F tables. Those are the tables that determine the fueling, but there are limits in that the area around idle is off limits on the newer bikes. You can put whatever you want in there and it doesn't change anything.
The AFR targets make minimal changes. It's maybe 5% of the process.
Don't worry much about the AFR tables. Set them to 13.2 and then forget about them, and spend your time tuning things like F tables using the Trim screen, or removing restrictions from ETV tables, maybe some ignition tweaks in the I tables... All depends on what bike you have and what mods were done to it.
If I want to keep the original tune, and just change the throttle ETV. There is no way of downloading the stock tune from the bike. How to get a stock tune?
You download it from the TuneECU database. Map>Open>Download and then sift through their database to get your base map for your model, VIN range and country
@@SquireSCA Are these not all modified? I tried one for my Scrambler , and it was at at 100% on ETV 1-4
@@angerman666 some bikes aren't restricted the way the speed twin is. Some are, some are not.
Hey does this work in the 2020 RS?
What do you mean? What is it that you are wanting to do?
Dave- I'm back....and after new vacuum lines and tune loaded I'm still running rich. I'm not backfiring now, but I am getting occasional "spitting" and the engine is running a bit rough. The engine occasionally stalls at idle. Any ideas about leaning out my map? 2003 Sprint ST w/ stock pipe, S1000T mod B ECU.
So weird, but again, it is a 21 year old bike, and a Triumph at that... You can open the map and edit the tables, I would use the trim tables and do -5 to start with... But I think you are having to use the old Windows software, not the mobile app, right? Some of the old bikes require windows and a physical cable, right?
@@SquireSCA I'm using the latest software on Android. I'm new to this and learning. Which table is the trim table?
@@HowardStephenSerlick What map number is your base map? Honestly, and PLEASE do not take this the wrong way... but if the videos haven't taught you enough to do it, then trying to teach you here in text, won't work. Let me know your base map and tell me where you think it is rich, and I will just edit the map for you. But I want to be clear here... if the bike ran fine for decades and recently started running rich, then there is a problem with the bike. The map didn't change, so something else did. And if there is a problem with the bike that we try to mask with fuel changes... Something about that would make me cautious...
But if you are intent on doing this, I can reduce the fuel 5% in the area you think is rich and you can test it out at your own risk?
@@SquireSCA Dave- my idle is rich from cold start to 3,000rpm. I'm using tune 10156. I'll study your map and compare it to the stock 10156 and learn where you made mods. I'll load it and see what changes it makes, but also start going deeper into what else might be the issue. I agree that there very well may be other issues and will pursue them.
Open the map. If you are on F1 table, scroll to the LEFT and that is the Trim table. RPM starts at the bottom going up, and left to right is throttle position. Go the range you think is lean and put 5's in those cells. Save, and then push to the bike and see how it runs.
I posted a comment on your Rocket 3 video, please disregard it. Thank you for the videos.
Hi Dave I have a 2007 Daytona 675 and I was having a high idel issue I replaced the TPS and it fixed the idel but now I have a flat spot at 5.5k RPM and it jumps and boggs when riding in low RPM do you have clue what's causing this dose it just need tuned since I put a new tps on it? I have never used tune ecu befor and not sure what I would need to do to fix the problem thank you
Been a long time since I wrenched on one of those... I am not sure if the Android version works on it, or if you need the old Windows version and a cable... If you install a new TPS, you will likely need to reset it or calibrate it.
On the newer bikes, resetting adaptives resets the TPS, so you might want to try that.
I have two ECU on my phone and I have the OBD2 cable instead of the wireless one but for some reason whenever I go in to tune ECU it won't let me access the tune and adjustment tab and also it says in the top left corner unregistered does that have something to do with it I kind of have an understanding of what I have to do but for some reason the app won't let me access the tune and adjustment section but I have access to literally everything else
@@tylermymclark5403 The Android phone version doesn't work with the cable, it only works with the bluetooth adapter.
You can't pull the tune out of the bike. It only allows you to push a map TO the bike, so you have to download the base map for your bike from the TuneECU server, save it to the phone, open it with TuneECU and do your edits, and then push it to the bike.
Ok thanks I already downloaded the map I need on to tune ecu I just gotta get the Bluetooth I guess to be able to actually push it to the map
@@tylermymclark5403 Correct. The cable adapter was for the older Windows software and only works on older bikes.
Is there a link for this most recent tune please?
It’s in the description
Got it, thanks bud.
After the map is loaded and engine adaptations is reset. Do you still need to do the 12 min tune after?
No. There never was a 12 minute tune. That name was used and everyone says it and it is very misleading. The 12 minute idle was just to reset the adaptations. It never actually tuned the bike.
If you reset adaptations in TuneECU then its instant, go out and ride it.
@@SquireSCA Thanks for info.
@@SquireSCA Hi Dave, I looked at the Speed Twin Service Manual and it states that the engine Must be running and normal operating temperature when doing the Reset Adaptions. Below is copy/paste from the Service Manual. Thoughts? I have also asked this question to TuneEcu and waiting for their response.
"As an alternative to the above process (12 minute tune), connect the diagnostic tool, select
ADJUST TUNE (see the Triumph Diagnostic Tool User Guide) and select RESET
ADAPTIONS. This will force a fast adaption routine to take place in around five
seconds. For this to happen, the engine MUST be running, it must be at normal
operating temperature and in closed loop control mode. Under any other
conditions fast adaption will not take place and may cause default values to be
loaded, which may then require a normal 12 minute adaption routine to be run."
@@mymotosai5036 That's for the dealer tool, right? Not TuneECU? Either way, it is always doing its slight adaptations as you ride, etc... But if you want to try it that way, see if it does anything different and let me know?
@@SquireSCA thanks for clarifying. Ya for dealer tool. I did the 12 minute today as it's raining but to be honest, I probably won't notice any difference anyway as any change would be so subtle, and the bike adapts as you say 👍
Where do I go to download your latest map?
drive.google.com/file/d/1avsIUWa_T1U5N8XfvtuvclT-nrmLP3dJ/view?usp=sharing
That's for the latest iteration for a US 2022 Speed Twin, stock exhaust with baffles removed and intake snorkel removed.
Road mode is unrestricted but still smooth and gradual. Sport is not unrestricted everywhere above 10% throttle. Its very aggressive, very snappy, wheelies more, etc...
Hi Dave I’m living in Australia and have triumph rocket 3r. I would like to change my throttle values but I only have android phone and I just can’t seem to figure out how to paste and copy on android. I don’t want to use Alf Pennier maps because none of the vin numbers match the Australian market vins. I don’t have windows to make the changes. Any suggestions.
SO what are you wanting to accomplish? Unrestricted the Sport Mode? What year and last 6 digits of the VIN is your bike?
@@SquireSCA
Hi Dave I have 2023 rocket 3r. My last 6 digits are BF7401 for Australian model. I just can’t do the paste and copy on android like you demonstrated in your video about the throttle restriction.
All I wanted to do is unrestricted the sport mode throttle.
Cheers Wayne
@@waynedavis6005 Alright Bruce, here you go... I just assume everyone in Oz is called Bruce... If you were in England I would have said Nigel... haha
Anyway, here is the map with Sport mode unlocked... bit more aggressive down low, then ramps up around 15% throttle and goes to a 1:1 linear experience by around 35%... Added a little bit of timing, set the AFR targets a bit more optimal, and added a LITTLE bit of fuel in the known lean areas... Oh, and your cooling fan will come on a little sooner to help keep the temps more tolerable...
drive.google.com/file/d/1bDRi2OwIXD_B7TPgPPvvYKHzyB9JiteF/view?usp=share_link
Install that map, let it warm up and settle in and they go rip on it in sport mode and report back? And take it up towards redline with full throttle, as that is where the biggest gains are to be found...
@@SquireSCA
Hi Dave thank you so much for doing this. You can call me Bruce anytime, you are the god of maps. Big thank you Dave.
Cheers Wayne.
@@waynedavis6005 "They call me Bruce"... old comedy starring a Korean comic/actor... Pretty funny, I need to see if I can find it streaming anywhere...
Report back on how the new map feels...
Would you have any maps for a 16 street triple 675 abs? No sai , no o2 and full exhaust no cat.
I don't have anything going back that far, unfortunately.
@Dave's Man Cave i used a arrow map on tune ecu and edited the afr and checked off the o2 and sai and blocked them off. Seemed to help quite a bit
@Dave's Man Cave is the way i did it were i just remap an existing map ok? Beside actually doing a dyno run.
@@joel-wd6dz I mean, without a dyno is largely guesswork. But yes, you start with an existing map. If you can get a copy from someone that did a dyno tune of theirs, that will be close enough. Or your bike is old enough that there was an Arrow or TOR(Triumph Off Road) map, and you can start with that...
@Dave's Man Cave yea i used a arrow map and tuned a bit just the afr table. Seem to be a lot smoother and fixed my idle. But thanks for the info. Any good forum that u know of that i can check for a map?
First thanks for making these videos.. I have a rocket 3 r and followed all of your steps but never get the reprogram command..I've swiped to the gauges but never see it. I'm using an OBDLINK MX not the MX+ could this be the problem?
Make sure you connect to the ECU and have the green light down in the lower right corner, then open the map, swipe over to the gauges, select ECU and then Reprogram... You have paid for the license, right?
@SquireSCA yep paid for and registered my bike everything looks like what you're doing just never get the reprogram.
@@cheez1050 Make sure your app is updated to the latest version. Make a quick video showing your steps?
@SquireSCA app is updated..could it be the OBDLINK I'm using? It's something I bought for a car about 10 years ago. I'm literally playing your video and following along step by step and everything looks the same just not the reprogram.. thanks for the help
@@cheez1050 Both the MX and LX versions are listed as preferred by TuneECU. Get the MX link software, and update the firmware on the MX connector itself. I once had a similar issue with my LX, and that fixed it. Plug the MX into the bike so it is powered on, and then install the MX software for that thing from the google play store, and update the device itself.
I bet that fixes it.
Super aufgeräumt die Bude 😂
Ja, ich muss die Dinge etwas besser organisieren. Dies ist eindeutig keine deutsche Garage. Haha
@@SquireSCA wenn Du wüsstest, wie es bei mir manchmal aussieht
@@c.klotzbucher4034 Da ich den typischen Wunsch eines Deutschen kenne, dass die Dinge ordentlich, organisiert und ordnungsgemäß erledigt werden, bin ich mir sicher, dass meine Garage Ihnen unangenehme Augenzucken bereitet. Haha
@@SquireSCA: sprichst Du so gut deutsch? Oder hast du Google translate benutzt?
Deutsche Garagen sind so ein Thema. Meistens steht da eine grässliche GS den 🤢
@@c.klotzbucher4034 Google Übersetzer. Das einzige Deutsch, das ich kenne, ist: „Meine Freundin ist aufblasbar“. Haha
If the dia. is the same I don't see why Ktech springs won't work. Call the u.s. distributor tomorrow. That's why I have Ktech units.
I ordered the correct Ohlins springs, they should be here by the end of the week hopefully, and I will do a video showing folks how to swap them out.
@@SquireSCA There you go. When I ordered mine they set them up with springs for my weight. I'm around 200lbs dressed out. The forks are a little soft for me. I'm hoping some slightly thicker oil will help with the hold up. If not I'll be on the search for some Marzocchi springs.
Is there a tutorial that shows how to adjust for a cat-less exhaust?
You need to tune its preferably on a dyno like I did. It depends on your bike, what mods you have done, etc... Sometimes you can just add some fuel to get it "good enough" or at least safe, but to actual dial it in you have to put it on a dyno and see what the motor is doing and tune it from there.
What bike do you have?
@@SquireSCA 2022 ktm rc 390. Stock. I’m just looking to put a throatier exhaust on it. Not looking for gains. Just want it to be healthy and not throw any codes. The exhaust I’m looking at deletes the cat and the manufacture says I don’t need to edit the fuel map but I don’t trust that. I have a heavily modded car and I know deleting a cat will throw a code at the very least.
@@surslaughter3524 I haven't tuned a KTM before. It might not throw a code, but it will run lean. Honestly, toss it on a dyno and see what its doing, get some AFR readings and you can tune it from there.
@@SquireSCA I appreciate the advice Dave. Thank you
23' Bonneville T120, r-flashed with 3 different after the first bike won't start. All maps compatible including one from Dave 22 up American, Canadian . Any ideas help would be appreciated.
Reset adaptives with TuneECU. Sometimes during a flash process, I have seen the bike needing to have the crank position sensor reset...
@@SquireSCA Did that on all attempts.
I tried a speed twin map but same results, thought since same motor it wouldn't hurt. The map that stated 22 with cruise said not appliable when I downloaded it. The Bonnie T120 does have cruise.
@@azlong4596 They are NOT the same motor. Do not try to push a Speed Twin map to a T120. You are asking for trouble. The motors have different internals, different fuel and ignition tables, etc...
@@SquireSCA OOPs I did go back to the T120 map. same results maybe I screwed the ECU. Tomorrow I go with the T120 map I think it's the 31109. I put the 22 T120 unrestricted map in
due to cat, SAI and evap delete.
Is there a risk of bricking your bike with this thing?
Slight, but yes, there is always a chance of that any time you flash an ECU, flash or update your phone, etc...
Can this new map in your link work on a UK bike?
If you make a UK map, or "All Countries" version of it, yes. What year, model, VIN range and mods do you have?
@@SquireSCA 2022 no mods yet.. 31126 map looks like the std one I shall need for my ST for all countries..to be honest really happy with it except for the crappy low speed lean running stuttering and lurching in slow traffic.. above 40mph its great..
@@speedtwin1610 Here, try this one:
drive.google.com/file/d/1vdRjTgAK_LB6t3-udyrqyd0mx7Pj4H2p/view?usp=sharing
Added some fuel in the lean areas, where even if you add an X-Pipe or mufflers, it won't be too lean. Also raised the rev limiter, removed restrictions from Road and Sport, made Sport MUCH more Sporty and aggressive, reset AFR targets to 13.2 and then added in more aggressive ignition timing from 2,000rpm and 70% throttle on up.
Flash that to the ECU, then reset Adaptives, then warm it up and go for a ride. Might idle high for a little bit, but that will come down as the adaptations at idle kick in.
Go and ride it, and play with Sport mode and get on it, it should feel a lot more powerful, want to pull harder and faster to the redline, etc... I am not responsible for unintended wheelies in first. ;-)
@@SquireSCA Many thanks for that! will flash it tomorrow and report back soon.. but its solid 40mph winds and rain here in Cornwall UK for the next week! so might be a while.. all the best Rob.
Dave can yoy help me to get the software for my speedtwin from 2020
Not sure what you mean? The TuneECU software itself? You get that from tuneecu.fr
@@SquireSCA hi Dave I need the map you have Made, ECUtune I have already.
@@jandegraaf3116 What year, country, last 6 digits of the VIN, and what mods have you done?
Hi pal I’ve been trying to register tuneecu it’s take me to a page where I put my PayPal address with another email address above it I’ve also sent the payment to the PayPal address how long did you have to wait for your tuneecu to be registered
Honestly I don't know. I registered mine years ago and it was quick and simple.
I just registered and it went through almost immediately
Dave got my version of tuneECU up and running yesterday....and have re-set my service light....pleased with that.
Got me thinking....seeing I have de-catted and fitted shorted exhausts than std....is there anyway with tuneECU to say hookup tuneECU and go for a ride.....riding in your usual way...usual RPMs ect....and have tuneECU monitor how your motor is say burning....I always fear running weak.
I know zero about maps....at present I dont want to get involved with that stuff....at present that is.
But just as a test tool....is just monitoring the fueling and burning on my bike possible....or is that a to simplistic way to look at it.
I mean, you could set up your sensors on the far right screen to show your short term fuel trims, and mount the phone to your bike and watch what it says as you ride, but they are only working in the closed loop part of the fuel map, so it would only be a rough idea, in just that low cruising range.
@@SquireSCA Ok so prob not doable....I see there is a record function on tuneECU....thought maybe could record and watch when not riding.
As I say....I know very little about the app.....just wishful thinking.
Wonder what gear the dyno guys use to watch live data?
At 1:18 min you showed Trim tables. You forgot to click "Apply F trims" in Map menu and then in Menu click Save, otherwise your map is still stock :) Yours trims not applied. :)
Not true. It applies them when it pushes the map to the bike. I confirmed this with the TuneECU guys. You don't have to apply them for them to take effect, I oy if you want to create a new base map and reset the trims to zero.
Its automatic. Its there for tuning purposes, because you may do multiple passes and adjustments, and if you kept applying each time, you might not remember what the trims were from the last pass... So you can keep tweaking your trims, reprogramming, and they do take effect. Once you are done tuning and have it where you want, you can apply them to make them part of the F tables, or just leave them in the trim tables. Either way, they do take effect.
@@SquireSCAhmm, could be you are right, will test tomorrow. I was always applying then saving as separate file.
Hi. I am using obd. I can do the service light reset. But the reprogram section does not appear for me for the map. why does this happen. 2020 streettriple r model. Tuneecu version 5.6.41 Android 11
Did you download the map to the device, and open the map for your bike in TuneECU? You have to do that before pushing the map to the bike.
@@SquireSCA yes i downloaded the map via tuneecu. but there is no reprogram in the ecu section. I am not using obdlink.lx-mx. The service light can be reset with the obd in my hand. There is no reprogram just to load maps. My VIN number is 990084, I downloaded map31038. Is this true? but i couldn't download
@@ozgurrider0606 Does your TuneECU software connect to the ODB and the bike itself? You get the green light in the bottom corner?
If so, load up your map so that you see values in the F1 table... Then swipe to the right until you see the gauge dials... Then click on ECU and Reprogram...
Before you do that, what map are you using and what changes did you make to it?
@@SquireSCA Yes, I see the green light. it connects and i see the commands. map screen was blank screen before downloading map. I only see the map I downloaded after I downloaded it. reprogramming command does not come out, this is my problem. Could it be because I downloaded the wrong map?
@@ozgurrider0606 First focus on the map. What map are you trying to use, and what modifications have you done to the map?
Has anyone in the comments tried this on a 900 street twin from > 2022 ?
I have a registered Tune ECU app and just got my DNKTune. After connecting and pulling up the map, it’s not giving me a “Reprogram” option when I click the ECU drop down. Any idea what the issue might be?
Open the map, connect to the ECU, then swipe a screen or two to the RIGHT to get to the screens with the analogue gauge, and then click on ECU and Reprogram.
@@SquireSCAI had the exact same problem. I insured that the app was registered, and that my bike was using 1/5 of my registered bikes. On my TuneECU app, I do not EVER see the option to 'reprogram' on any screen when I click on ECU. Do you know how to get past this?
@@JeffManicotti Are you connected to the ECU? Are you getting the green flashing light down in the bottom right corner?
@@SquireSCAYes sir, I am 👍
@@JeffManicotti Then it should be working. You need to connect to the bike, wait for the green light. Then click on Map, then Open, and then navigate to and select the map that you wish to push to the bike. Once it is loaded and you see values in the fuel tables, assuming that you have the right map for that bike, swipe to the right to get to the gauge displays, and then select ECU and Reprogram.
At 12:28 Where you show Short term fuel trims, you need adjust L1 and L2 try by +100 ( yours "Manifold Absolute Presure 1 and 2" shows 610, so you need adjust L1 and L2 at this range +100 or becaue your trims almost +10% make +200 on L1 and L2, then save map and reprogram, reset adaptation and eventually your trims will goes down to 0%. Thank you to me please.
Its been running so well on my Sept 10 revision that I haven't felt the need to do any more. Runs smooth, strong, response is instant, pulls hard right into the rev limiter...
@@SquireSCA so you have F and then L. L is where fueling for low ride rpm including Idle, then it switches to F and uses it map table. There is option "F-L switching" shows at what throttle % switches from L table to F. So when you only play with F table its not going take into affect till your throttle reaches as per F-L switching table.
Thats why on Idle you see +10% fuel trim, as you twist throttle it switches to F table and Fuel trim decreases close to 0%.
Hi Dave just trying to hook up to a freshly downloaded tuneEcu app on my android phone....the app is asking with ECU is fitted to my 2020 T100 I have no idea.
I think the ECU is the plastic box around 140mmx100mm just behind the battery.
Asking if Segem or Keihin....if that is the ECU that I am looking at I see no makers name on it....any ideas?
It should be keihin. Try that, if it doesn't connect, try the other.
Thanks!
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