Thank you. I recommend not to reset adaptions. An engine coming from the factory still has to do some individual learning. It is mostly about good idle and closed loop mixture. That process takes some time and after it has done so you should keep it. It does not interfere with the tuning map at all. The map removes restrictions in all gears. There is some gain all over the rev band. But mostly above 5000 rpm where stock map restrictions are really bad. There it adds about 25 hp.
Watched all your videos over here in the UK and you’ve certainly sold this bike to me more and more. Picking my rocket up Friday and I can’t wait! Thanks dude!
You are going to absolutely love it mate! And being in the UK you get a lot more local customisation options it seems. I’d recommend joining the forums at R3Owners, plenty of good info there. Thanks for watching, appreciate the comments. 👍🏻
You’re not wrong Apex! Christ what an incredible machine. Not in any ways intimidating and to be honest, running the engine in I’ve been riding in rain mode and wow, what a placid and enjoyable ride that is too. Thanks again, and I’ll be sure to check out the forum.
@@bennylee4u All I remember from the break in period was wanting to put more k’s on it so I could rev it more! That sticker on the tank kept taunting me… 😏 Glad you’re loving it, it’s certainly a one of a kind bike.
Thanks Anthony, glad you found it useful. And well done for not borking the startup like me and needing to reset the crank angle calibration! Thanks for watching, and sharing on the forums as well! 👍🏻🤗
Great vid! Just tuned one of those in dyno, making video of that too(with english sub). It is also restricted from ignition, and I need to be careful what I offer to my customers, that it wont be too fast throttle response.. Thanks for the videos, I'm gonna watch your other videos too, I'll always try to learn something new, love the attitude.. 👌😃
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching! The Penner tune really only stops the max 60% throttle in gears 1-3, it doesn't raise the rev limit or remove the top speed limiter, both of which can be done.
Does the bike feel a lot stronger normal running around? I have a tune from Bren tuning on mine. The bike feels a little stronger but I was expecting more being that it’s supposed to be unrestricted.
hello mister Giant slug 🙂 then you saw a big difference between the original engine and with your reprogramming that you made? in the beginning of 2023 I'm going to get a second hand one and I would like to know if it's worth it just to put this new mapping...thanks ^^
Did my remapping yesterday and the only error code I got was P0315 - crankshaft position adaption. Followed the instructions to open the throttle and the ECU did the rest. No more alarm and took it for a test ride.1st gear went past 6000rpm. WOW!!!! SO happy. Thanks for your video. Was juggling whether or not I should do it until I saw your video. Thanks again.
That’s awesome Louis! Did you get the P0315 even without resetting the adaptions? I haven’t heard of that happening. And I agree, it’s totally worth the effort mate. Happy trails and thanks for watching!
@@louisloong406 I think that is an issue with TuneECU, it shouldn’t tell you to do it, and the online doco says not to for 2020+ Triumph bikes. They adapt as you ride. See Ulf’s comment above. Anyway, glad you got it sorted. Ride safe!
Thx…. managed to Reset the Crankshaft Sensor. But still fighting with the P1575 error (cruise control). The Button-Sequence described in TuneECU seems not to work for the Rocket3 …..
It really does work, as that is what I and others have used. When it tells you to use the "twist grip switch" you realise you have to twist it closed? It has a couple of mm of travel in that direction, which is how you can turn off the cruise without using the brakes while riding. It needs to detect all of the switches in the CC circuit. Also, the Rocket doesn't have a cruise on/off button, so you'd ignore those in the TuneECU list. The instructions for the Rocket should be: With the ignition ON and the engine not running: - Activate front brake switch - Activate Rear brake switch - Activate Clutch switch - Twist grip switch (in the closed position, i.e., twist it all the way forward) - Activate cruise accelerate switch - Activate cruise decelerate switch, and if the CC light goes out the CC is reset.
Great video and tuning tutorial. I noted you mention you had a service manual. I assume this is a workshop manual and not the 196 page owner handbook that comes with the bike. If so, can you share where you sourced it from?
Thanks Paul, glad you liked it. And yes, I have the 1,800-odd page workshop manual. I’d suggest that your question and many more can be found answered in the Rocket 3 R/GT/TFC Facebook group: facebook.com/groups/783923972023215/?ref=share 👍🏻😏
Unfortunately they all come like that from the factory. Even with Penner’s tune, you still have the top speed limit, rev limit and the throttle bodies start to close at high speed as well. Allegedly the DNK tune removes some of those, and the TuneECU developer can cut you a tune that removes the speed limiter, but I’m happy with the stock Penner. As for max speed runs, who wants to do that on a naked bike anyway? 🤷♂️😏
Hello, Thank you very much for this video. I have a question. I did all the manipulations and I made the same mistake as you, namely the recalibration. When the process is finished I have the fuel gauge which is empty while I have fuel in the tank. Can you tell me how you got the gauge to work again please. Thank you in advance for your answer, it will help me because I have the empty gauge. Excuse me for my English, I'm French and it's not easy. thanks again for your video
Hi Olivier, the fuel gauge will recalibrate once you ride it for a while. It’s normal on the Rocket for that to delay. I notice even when I fill the tank, I have to ride it for a few minutes for it to show full. Thanks for watching!
Hi just watched you video and ready to retune my rocket the only problem I have is I can't find the 31018 no restriction map just the standard one any help would be greatly appreciated. Nick in Toowoomba
Hey mate, are you looking on their website, or trying to find through the app. The app only shows standard tunes. The Penner maps are under the TuneECU custom maps page, the last sections at the bottom of the page: tuneecu.net/Custom_Tune_list.html
Hello, does the OBDLink MX+ and TuneEcu Android version work, and can it be used to clear service intervals and error codes. Are there any other OBD readers that work For example, China AliExpress, for example this vLinker MC
Yes, the OBDlink LX and MX/MX+ are what the TuneECU author recommends for use with the Android app, which is the only one supported anymore. They can reset the service interval, clear codes, trigger ABS brake bleed etc etc and more as the author adds functions to the app. I picked the MX+ as for the extra dollars you get lifetime access to manufacturer specific modules (mostly cars) so you can plug it into just about anything and not be restricted to standard OBDII codes. Now, there are some more generic devices that have worked (go search the TuneECU forum on Facebook), but it’s hit and miss. I figured I’d spent tens of thousands of $$$ on the bike, I should not try and save $50 on a no name reader. My 2c anyway… Thanks for watching! 😄
@Apex Media: I am pulling my hair out because of the Cruise Control on my Rocket 3 GT (2022) not engaging. I haven't got the connector for the OBD2 to connect Tune ECU yet, but my regular OBD2 reader doesn't put any error codes out. Yet, I cannot get cruise control to turn on. I've checked all the basic stuff, and I've tried the button press sequence that I have: Front Brake, Back Break, Clutch, Throttle backward, Cruise +, Cruise -. It doesn't seem to do anything. Is that the wrong sequence? I'd be eternally grateful if you can help me out. My nearest Triumph dealer is over 4 hours away and can't get me in for 3 weeks.
Is the cruise control on the dash lit up? That’s what tells you it needs calibrating and you shouldn’t need to pull codes. And it seems (from your list) you’ve missed a button press or two. From the TuneECU manual, I read: Ignition key ON engine not running, then: Cruise control OFF Activate front brake switch Activate Rear brake switch Activate Clutch switch Twist grip switch (throttle in the closed position) Activate cruise ON/Off switch Activate cruise accelerate switch Activate cruise decelerate switch, if the CC light goes out the CC is reset. Try that out and see how you go.
i was told by some triumph staff that some of the rockets were twisting themselves in half before they put the limits on them after factory testing , think i may leave my gt stock with a slip on for now lol
I’m sure if the engine was fully unleashed it could be a problem for the drivetrain. I don’t think the tune is unlocking anywhere near the engines potential yet (see the TTS supercharger for an example), so I’m not too concerned. And no one on any of the forums has mentioned their bike being banana shaped yet! Thanks for watching. 😏
Hi David, you need to sideload the app onto an Android device, you download it from the developers site: tuneecu.net You will need a compatible OBDII device, which they list on the site. There are also support forums and a Facebook group. Thanks for watching!
Yes, it’s an auto-adapting engine and resetting the adaptions should be fine. Except it wasn’t, as it threw the crank angle sensor out and it needed it’s own procedure to calibrate, just riding it didn’t fix it. I am not sure it was “just” resetting the adaptions that did it, or whether it was because I interrupted the start when it took a long time cranking without starting. Either way, all good once I worked it out…
Yes, it still has all the ride modes available. I really only ride in Sport mode, the only thing the tune will affect will be the throttle response, TC responsiveness in the other modes won’t change. Thanks for watching.
We done adaptations reset on 765rs and with TuneECU and we have same crankshaft error. We followed the same procedure you did but the engine never stops rev up and down sequence. It's going forever. So it's not resetting crankshaft position. I don't know why.
The Rocket manual says it should stop after 10 cycles if it can’t calibrate. From the manual: “The diagnostic tool will allow the test to operate with the throttle held open for a maximum of 10 seconds (approximately 10 cycles). If adaption is not completed in this time, the test will stop and you will be prompted to close the throttle and turn the ignition OFF. Note any on-screen messages and investigate the cause before attempting to restart the test.” So maybe you have a sensor issue you need to diagnose?
@@watchapexmedia We wait about 2 minutes with open throttle and nothing happened :) I do not think there is issue about sensor or anything. Bike is new and it's started after we done reset adaptations. Maybe we should do reset adaptations again.
Hi Louis, thanks for watching. The custom Triumph tune page is at tuneecu.net/Custom_Tune_list.html and the file you need will be in the Rocket section at the bottom. The file you download will depend on whether you have an R, GT or TFC, and which region of the world you are in. Enjoy the difference, and DON'T reset the adaptions! :-)
hi nice to meet you after mapping i made a reset in adaptations (any issues with this procedure?) and after that i turned on the engine for a test ride , about the crankshaft position i follow the procedure with tuneecu ad the warning was gone@@watchapexmedia
@@user-fi3ku8ok7n glad it worked out for you. The instructions on TuneECU are the result of my experiences you just watched, and Alain and Tom put the procedure there for anyone else who tripped over the issue. Glad it’s helped another Rocketeer! 🕺 Thanks for watching.
It’s not “protection” like the screen on a touring rig, but I rode it with and without and found at my height it smoothed the air enough to not buffet my head around when you are above the 120-ish mark. So I call it a win…
@@watchapexmedia lol I hear you that’s cool. At least it does something. I have a pretty good sized adjustable windshield for mine for long trips but I take it off when riding in state. I was thinking about getting one of those fly screens just because I like the way they look. I was just curious if they actually do anything on the highway LOL
Good question. Consumer law is different country to country. Triumph will have an overarching "no modifications allowed" stick they'd try to wield, but that's like saying you lose your warranty from switching from Avons to Metzelers. :-) So here under our laws they would have to prove the modification directly contributed to the failure. For example, the cracked TFT display issue some folks have had would have to be covered as it's unrelated to an engine tune. Same with the faulty ABS modules that were in a bad batch. Now, powertrain problems like stripped gears, early wear on a clutch, you probably don't have a leg to stand on. And your dealer plays a pretty big part in it, and mine is pretty good - sales guy wanted to find out how much better it was once I tuned it! So I suggest having a chat with your local dealer and feel out their appetite to go to bat for you, and check your local consumer laws. Thanks for watching.
O.K. ….. since I got another reply pointing out a hardware Issue, i‘m gonna try to use TuneECU in order to find out if all the switches are working. Had the bike in inspektion and they changed the „joystick“. Maybe something went wrong while reassembling….
@@watchapexmedia just made the sensor test with TuneECU: Throttle negative Position: green. CC + and - : no response Since the heating grips have also been changed at the last Inspection: must be a hardware issue….
I'm not sure I follow, as I don't have a fuel gauge issue? It has a foible that after you fill up you need to ride it for a bit to get it to show full, but I haven't had other issues. Do you have a specific issue?
@Apex Media My fuel gauge now reads empty after resetting the adaptations, I assumed yours done the same. Obviously not, I wonder what's happened to mine, so frustrating but my own fault.
@@Thetwinking Oh ok, did it not come good after a ride? The only "enduring" issue I had after resetting them was the cruise control (easy fix) and the crank position sensor p0315 code that needed to be reset with the app according to the service manual procedure - documented here: tuneecu.boards.net/thread/906/engine-rocket-immediately-after-loading
Technically, yes. But it does depend on where you are and your consumer laws. The burden of proof would be on Triumph to prove that the tune has caused whatever failure you are having them rectify. Fairly straightforward for them if it's drivetrain related, a pretty long bow to try and deny something like the ABS modules they are replacing under warranty being related to a custom tune... :-) So where I live, my Triumph dealer is fine with it. Had it's annual service a week or so ago and as I'd discussed the tune with them in the past, they told me they had loaded up new software in the ECU and BT module and to go ride the bike and see if it was responding properly, and if not they said I'd probably have to reload my tune.
@@watchapexmedia oh ok nice thanks so much for the info. What type of fuel do you run? In the manual it says to run 95 Ron which is equivalent to 91 octane but it also said it’s designed to run 87 octane on the same page. Some forums say the 95 Ron is for folks in Europe but the American versions are able to run 87 octane. I ran a couple tanks with 87 and a couple tanks with 93. I’m in Texas. With 87 I got noticeably better fuel mileage using the same riding style. Just curious as to what you run before and after the tune
@@TheTyrone1981 hey Ty, I have always put 98 in it but have been thinking of alternating between 95 and 98 with the price of fuel these days! Didn’t change anything after the tune. The owners manual and all the stickers on the bike all said min 95 here. The only place I could find that said the lower octane was ok was the service manual, but as that was probably updated by Triumph from older manuals rather than written from scratch, I’m guessing that’s maybe not accurate.
I have an OBDLink MX+, but the LX works as well and is cheaper. They are the ones recommended by TuneECU. Other BT OBD devices work, but are not fully tested by the software author so might be hit and miss. The TuneECU Facebook forum has lots of posts from people who got others working.
@@comecalle8932 The basic 25 Euro license is all you need, and it allows you to register and tune 5 bikes. The Pro version just allows unlimited bikes, and also allows you remove the speed limiter and raise the redline. Not sure I'd want to do extremely high speeds on a naked bike anyway... 🙂
"Savage" is the right word for the de-restricted Rocket. Ulf's tune transforms the bike into the beast it should have been from the outset. My only question is: Why did Triumph limit the machine's power in the first place? I would not want to back to 165 ponies after having tasted the full power of the machine.
Glad you’re McLovin’ it! I suspect they primarily limited it to make it more manageable for more riders, and for drivetrain longevity. Although looking at the drive shaft compared to the old Rocket, not sure that’s an issue! But maybe they did it to leave a little something on the table for the aftermarket to unlock… Thanks for watching!
I’m in the process of having mine fined by brentuning. He thinks triumph restricts them from the factory because they plan on Coming out with a version of the rocket that is unrestricted from the factory. Marketing play
I don't understand the risk of messing up your ECU, with such a powerful bike out of the box, not to mention your Warrnty is worthless now I'm picking up a 2023 Rocket-R in two weeks..and leaving it stock, no need to mess with Engine perfection.
Well for starters, I wasn't the first to do it, and made sure others trod the path in advance. Second, out of the hundreds of tables in the ECU, it only alters the throttle mappings, so fairly low risk. Lastly, I spoke to my Triumph dealer and they said that while Triumph would probably push back if there were drivetrain issues, they'd find it difficult to void warranty claims for unrelated issues. Like spongy brakes, leaky forks, cracked dashes etc. They even told me at the first annual service I'd need to reload my tune as they'd flashed the ECU. And It's now 10 months out of warranty and going strong!
@@watchapexmedia Naturally Fiddling with the ECU is not going to void a brake, lights or, even transmission issue etc. But just messing with the ECU, with no real need to do it, is frankly taking a risk of some China made garbage part from amazon messing with the computer. Anyway, since I'm getting a Rocket soon, I subscribed to your channel.
@@elithegreat6463 I totally agree, I'm not strapping some $45 magic box from Ali Express to what is now a $35k (starting price) bike over here! But the tune is from a reputable tuner that has been tuning bikes in general and Triumphs in particular for years. And it uses software to apply it that is long established as some of the most feature rich available. Like I described in the vid, it even let me do "workshop only" tasks like recalibrating the crank position sensor. Thanks for the sub, I hope you enjoy your new beast. 👌
Either you're neurotic or just simply disjointed. Why anyone would want to "fool" with an already masculine magnet of an elegant power cruiser is beyond me. It's like spending $15,000 in a PRS CE24 with mother of pearl fretboard binding and inlay, and the first thing you do is change out the custom engineered PUPS for crap DiMarzio's -- or buying a '22 C8 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 then enquiring about the gas mileage. In the right hands, the '22 Rocket 3 X will rip your arms off through 0-60 under 3s ... 100 at under 10s.
Thank you. I recommend not to reset adaptions. An engine coming from the factory still has to do some individual learning. It is mostly about good idle and closed loop mixture. That process takes some time and after it has done so you should keep it. It does not interfere with the tuning map at all. The map removes restrictions in all gears. There is some gain all over the rev band. But mostly above 5000 rpm where stock map restrictions are really bad. There it adds about 25 hp.
Yeah, I’m on board with not resetting the adaptions! 😂 Thanks for watching! Also, major props for your efforts Ulf, it's been great!
So when you loaded the map and then turned the ignition off and then back on, you should have just closed it down and you would have been done?
Good depiction of the reality of motorcycle men wrestling through improvement modifications for pleasure!
Oh yeah, plenty of wrestling since I got it!🤣
Watched all your videos over here in the UK and you’ve certainly sold this bike to me more and more. Picking my rocket up Friday and I can’t wait! Thanks dude!
You are going to absolutely love it mate! And being in the UK you get a lot more local customisation options it seems. I’d recommend joining the forums at R3Owners, plenty of good info there. Thanks for watching, appreciate the comments. 👍🏻
You’re not wrong Apex! Christ what an incredible machine. Not in any ways intimidating and to be honest, running the engine in I’ve been riding in rain mode and wow, what a placid and enjoyable ride that is too. Thanks again, and I’ll be sure to check out the forum.
@@bennylee4u All I remember from the break in period was wanting to put more k’s on it so I could rev it more! That sticker on the tank kept taunting me… 😏 Glad you’re loving it, it’s certainly a one of a kind bike.
Thanks for the video, and update on your adventures in updating the ECU. Much appreciated!
No worries, glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!👍🏻
Used your vid today to do mine apart from the re-calibration 😉😂 really useful thank you 🙏
Thanks Anthony, glad you found it useful. And well done for not borking the startup like me and needing to reset the crank angle calibration! Thanks for watching, and sharing on the forums as well! 👍🏻🤗
Great vid! Just tuned one of those in dyno, making video of that too(with english sub). It is also restricted from ignition, and I need to be careful what I offer to my customers, that it wont be too fast throttle response.. Thanks for the videos, I'm gonna watch your other videos too, I'll always try to learn something new, love the attitude.. 👌😃
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching! The Penner tune really only stops the max 60% throttle in gears 1-3, it doesn't raise the rev limit or remove the top speed limiter, both of which can be done.
I've had a tune on mine for a year now. It's working wonderfully. Really noticed that it pulls harder at 100+ mph with the tune than before the tune.
I agree, it transforms an already great bike into a brilliant one! Thanks for watching.
Does the bike feel a lot stronger normal running around? I have a tune from Bren tuning on mine. The bike feels a little stronger but I was expecting more being that it’s supposed to be unrestricted.
hello mister Giant slug 🙂
then you saw a big difference between the original engine and with your reprogramming that you made?
in the beginning of 2023 I'm going to get a second hand one and I would like to know if it's worth it just to put this new mapping...thanks ^^
Sick 👍🏻👍🏻
Great review 👍🏻
Thank you! Cheers!
Did my remapping yesterday and the only error code I got was P0315 - crankshaft position adaption. Followed the instructions to open the throttle and the ECU did the rest. No more alarm and took it for a test ride.1st gear went past 6000rpm. WOW!!!! SO happy. Thanks for your video. Was juggling whether or not I should do it until I saw your video. Thanks again.
That’s awesome Louis! Did you get the P0315 even without resetting the adaptions? I haven’t heard of that happening. And I agree, it’s totally worth the effort mate. Happy trails and thanks for watching!
@@watchapexmedia Yes it did asked to to a reset. But only error P0315. The rest are all OK.
@@louisloong406 I think that is an issue with TuneECU, it shouldn’t tell you to do it, and the online doco says not to for 2020+ Triumph bikes. They adapt as you ride. See Ulf’s comment above. Anyway, glad you got it sorted. Ride safe!
@@watchapexmedia cylinder 2 was out by 10hpa but after adaptation, they balance out.
hello mister Louis ^^
then you saw a big difference between the original engine and with your reprogramming that you made?
Thx…. managed to Reset the Crankshaft Sensor. But still fighting with the P1575 error (cruise control). The Button-Sequence described in TuneECU seems not to work for the Rocket3 …..
It really does work, as that is what I and others have used. When it tells you to use the "twist grip switch" you realise you have to twist it closed? It has a couple of mm of travel in that direction, which is how you can turn off the cruise without using the brakes while riding. It needs to detect all of the switches in the CC circuit. Also, the Rocket doesn't have a cruise on/off button, so you'd ignore those in the TuneECU list. The instructions for the Rocket should be:
With the ignition ON and the engine not running:
- Activate front brake switch
- Activate Rear brake switch
- Activate Clutch switch
- Twist grip switch (in the closed position, i.e., twist it all the way forward)
- Activate cruise accelerate switch
- Activate cruise decelerate switch, and if the CC light goes out the CC is reset.
Great video and tuning tutorial. I noted you mention you had a service manual. I assume this is a workshop manual and not the 196 page owner handbook that comes with the bike. If so, can you share where you sourced it from?
Thanks Paul, glad you liked it. And yes, I have the 1,800-odd page workshop manual. I’d suggest that your question and many more can be found answered in the Rocket 3 R/GT/TFC Facebook group: facebook.com/groups/783923972023215/?ref=share 👍🏻😏
Thanks for the info video. Where could I download that map file that you've loaded?
Found It Thanks
@@louisloong406 Good job! Thanks for watching. 😁
so is it australian restrictions that require the reduced performance? or all they all like that coming from the factory?
Unfortunately they all come like that from the factory. Even with Penner’s tune, you still have the top speed limit, rev limit and the throttle bodies start to close at high speed as well. Allegedly the DNK tune removes some of those, and the TuneECU developer can cut you a tune that removes the speed limiter, but I’m happy with the stock Penner. As for max speed runs, who wants to do that on a naked bike anyway? 🤷♂️😏
Where and who can I purchase this tune. 2022 Tryumph Rocket R3. I reside here in the Us.
You don’t need to purchase it, it’s free from the TuneECU website, under the Triumph Custom Tunes section. tuneecu.net/Custom_Tune_list.html
Great vid, thanks. Just bought a GT myself. How's does that effect the warranty?
Ignore my question. Should have read all the comments🙄
@@peterp2946Ha! Well spotted mate...
Hello, Thank you very much for this video. I have a question. I did all the manipulations and I made the same mistake as you, namely the recalibration. When the process is finished I have the fuel gauge which is empty while I have fuel in the tank. Can you tell me how you got the gauge to work again please. Thank you in advance for your answer, it will help me because I have the empty gauge. Excuse me for my English, I'm French and it's not easy. thanks again for your video
Hi Olivier, the fuel gauge will recalibrate once you ride it for a while. It’s normal on the Rocket for that to delay. I notice even when I fill the tank, I have to ride it for a few minutes for it to show full. Thanks for watching!
@@watchapexmedia Thank you for your answer
Hi just watched you video and ready to retune my rocket the only problem I have is I can't find the 31018 no restriction map just the standard one any help would be greatly appreciated. Nick in Toowoomba
Hey mate, are you looking on their website, or trying to find through the app. The app only shows standard tunes. The Penner maps are under the TuneECU custom maps page, the last sections at the bottom of the page: tuneecu.net/Custom_Tune_list.html
Hello, does the OBDLink MX+ and TuneEcu Android version work, and can it be used to clear service intervals and error codes.
Are there any other OBD readers that work
For example, China AliExpress, for example this vLinker MC
Yes, the OBDlink LX and MX/MX+ are what the TuneECU author recommends for use with the Android app, which is the only one supported anymore. They can reset the service interval, clear codes, trigger ABS brake bleed etc etc and more as the author adds functions to the app. I picked the MX+ as for the extra dollars you get lifetime access to manufacturer specific modules (mostly cars) so you can plug it into just about anything and not be restricted to standard OBDII codes. Now, there are some more generic devices that have worked (go search the TuneECU forum on Facebook), but it’s hit and miss. I figured I’d spent tens of thousands of $$$ on the bike, I should not try and save $50 on a no name reader. My 2c anyway… Thanks for watching! 😄
Thank you.
You're welcome! Thanks for watching. :-)
@Apex Media: I am pulling my hair out because of the Cruise Control on my Rocket 3 GT (2022) not engaging. I haven't got the connector for the OBD2 to connect Tune ECU yet, but my regular OBD2 reader doesn't put any error codes out. Yet, I cannot get cruise control to turn on. I've checked all the basic stuff, and I've tried the button press sequence that I have: Front Brake, Back Break, Clutch, Throttle backward, Cruise +, Cruise -. It doesn't seem to do anything. Is that the wrong sequence? I'd be eternally grateful if you can help me out.
My nearest Triumph dealer is over 4 hours away and can't get me in for 3 weeks.
Is the cruise control on the dash lit up? That’s what tells you it needs calibrating and you shouldn’t need to pull codes. And it seems (from your list) you’ve missed a button press or two. From the TuneECU manual, I read:
Ignition key ON engine not running, then:
Cruise control OFF
Activate front brake switch
Activate Rear brake switch
Activate Clutch switch
Twist grip switch (throttle in the closed position)
Activate cruise ON/Off switch
Activate cruise accelerate switch
Activate cruise decelerate switch, if the CC light goes out the CC is reset.
Try that out and see how you go.
Not working on my R3 …. Still got the P1575
@@iBrickr-ie3qv my problem ended up being the connector in the housing on the handlebars. Maybe try that...?
@@bigfanpics8496 I‘m gonna try to find out if it’s a hardware problem …. Good to know that the push-button-sequence works on the rocket3 :)
i was told by some triumph staff that some of the rockets were twisting themselves in half before they put the limits on them after factory testing , think i may leave my gt stock with a slip on for now lol
I’m sure if the engine was fully unleashed it could be a problem for the drivetrain. I don’t think the tune is unlocking anywhere near the engines potential yet (see the TTS supercharger for an example), so I’m not too concerned. And no one on any of the forums has mentioned their bike being banana shaped yet! Thanks for watching. 😏
where do you get the app to tune the bike ? cheers
Hi David, you need to sideload the app onto an Android device, you download it from the developers site: tuneecu.net You will need a compatible OBDII device, which they list on the site. There are also support forums and a Facebook group. Thanks for watching!
Its fine to reset adaptations... It won't hurt it, it will just relearn the idle trims, which it is constantly doing every time you ride it anyway...
Yes, it’s an auto-adapting engine and resetting the adaptions should be fine. Except it wasn’t, as it threw the crank angle sensor out and it needed it’s own procedure to calibrate, just riding it didn’t fix it. I am not sure it was “just” resetting the adaptions that did it, or whether it was because I interrupted the start when it took a long time cranking without starting. Either way, all good once I worked it out…
Does this still maintain all of the 4 ride modes?
Yes, it still has all the ride modes available. I really only ride in Sport mode, the only thing the tune will affect will be the throttle response, TC responsiveness in the other modes won’t change. Thanks for watching.
We done adaptations reset on 765rs and with TuneECU and we have same crankshaft error. We followed the same procedure you did but the engine never stops rev up and down sequence. It's going forever. So it's not resetting crankshaft position. I don't know why.
The Rocket manual says it should stop after 10 cycles if it can’t calibrate. From the manual: “The diagnostic tool will allow the test to operate with the throttle held open for a maximum of 10 seconds (approximately 10 cycles). If adaption is not completed in this time, the test will stop and you will be prompted to close the throttle and turn the ignition OFF. Note any on-screen messages and investigate the cause before attempting to restart the test.” So maybe you have a sensor issue you need to diagnose?
@@watchapexmedia We wait about 2 minutes with open throttle and nothing happened :) I do not think there is issue about sensor or anything. Bike is new and it's started after we done reset adaptations. Maybe we should do reset adaptations again.
@@jamesjay1987 can’t hurt. If the bike is new, get it to the dealer and play dumb. “Don’t know what happens, light just came on!”… 😏
@@watchapexmedia :D I had same idea.
I’ll be reprogramming mine soon. Can I please know the file name for the latest map? Thanks.
Hi Louis, thanks for watching. The custom Triumph tune page is at tuneecu.net/Custom_Tune_list.html and the file you need will be in the Rocket section at the bottom. The file you download will depend on whether you have an R, GT or TFC, and which region of the world you are in. Enjoy the difference, and DON'T reset the adaptions! :-)
@@watchapexmedia Copy that. Thanks again.
hi nice to meet you after mapping i made a reset in adaptations (any issues with this procedure?) and after that i turned on the engine for a test ride , about the crankshaft position i follow the procedure with tuneecu ad the warning was gone@@watchapexmedia
@@user-fi3ku8ok7n glad it worked out for you. The instructions on TuneECU are the result of my experiences you just watched, and Alain and Tom put the procedure there for anyone else who tripped over the issue. Glad it’s helped another Rocketeer! 🕺 Thanks for watching.
Does that fly screen provide any wind protection at all?
It’s not “protection” like the screen on a touring rig, but I rode it with and without and found at my height it smoothed the air enough to not buffet my head around when you are above the 120-ish mark. So I call it a win…
@@watchapexmedia lol I hear you that’s cool. At least it does something. I have a pretty good sized adjustable windshield for mine for long trips but I take it off when riding in state. I was thinking about getting one of those fly screens just because I like the way they look. I was just curious if they actually do anything on the highway LOL
Does remapping void the factory warranty?
Good question. Consumer law is different country to country. Triumph will have an overarching "no modifications allowed" stick they'd try to wield, but that's like saying you lose your warranty from switching from Avons to Metzelers. :-) So here under our laws they would have to prove the modification directly contributed to the failure. For example, the cracked TFT display issue some folks have had would have to be covered as it's unrelated to an engine tune. Same with the faulty ABS modules that were in a bad batch. Now, powertrain problems like stripped gears, early wear on a clutch, you probably don't have a leg to stand on. And your dealer plays a pretty big part in it, and mine is pretty good - sales guy wanted to find out how much better it was once I tuned it! So I suggest having a chat with your local dealer and feel out their appetite to go to bat for you, and check your local consumer laws. Thanks for watching.
O.K. ….. since I got another reply pointing out a hardware Issue, i‘m gonna try to use TuneECU in order to find out if all the switches are working. Had the bike in inspektion and they changed the „joystick“. Maybe something went wrong while reassembling….
Totally possible, good luck!
@@watchapexmedia just made the sensor test with TuneECU: Throttle negative Position: green.
CC + and - : no response
Since the heating grips have also been changed at the last Inspection: must be a hardware issue….
@@iBrickr-ie3qv Sounds like it, bummer. If the dealer made the change, at least you have recourse for them to fix it.
Update: got my Rocket back from the dealer. Only comment: „it’s working now“
Well, I would have expected at least a cup of coffee….
@@iBrickr-ie3qv so did they just replace that switch?
Triumph Rocket R3 2021
Hi, good video, how did you fix the fuel gauge issue?
I'm not sure I follow, as I don't have a fuel gauge issue? It has a foible that after you fill up you need to ride it for a bit to get it to show full, but I haven't had other issues. Do you have a specific issue?
@Apex Media My fuel gauge now reads empty after resetting the adaptations, I assumed yours done the same. Obviously not, I wonder what's happened to mine, so frustrating but my own fault.
@@Thetwinking Oh ok, did it not come good after a ride? The only "enduring" issue I had after resetting them was the cruise control (easy fix) and the crank position sensor p0315 code that needed to be reset with the app according to the service manual procedure - documented here: tuneecu.boards.net/thread/906/engine-rocket-immediately-after-loading
@@watchapexmedia I've just taken it out and all is well, phew. Thanks for your replies
I cant hear you over the background music when you are riding.
Sorry about that, sometimes the mix sounds different in my headphones when I master it compared to when YT processes it.
Does an ecu tune on these void the warranty?
Technically, yes. But it does depend on where you are and your consumer laws. The burden of proof would be on Triumph to prove that the tune has caused whatever failure you are having them rectify. Fairly straightforward for them if it's drivetrain related, a pretty long bow to try and deny something like the ABS modules they are replacing under warranty being related to a custom tune... :-)
So where I live, my Triumph dealer is fine with it. Had it's annual service a week or so ago and as I'd discussed the tune with them in the past, they told me they had loaded up new software in the ECU and BT module and to go ride the bike and see if it was responding properly, and if not they said I'd probably have to reload my tune.
@@watchapexmedia oh ok nice thanks so much for the info. What type of fuel do you run? In the manual it says to run 95 Ron which is equivalent to 91 octane but it also said it’s designed to run 87 octane on the same page. Some forums say the 95 Ron is for folks in Europe but the American versions are able to run 87 octane. I ran a couple tanks with 87 and a couple tanks with 93. I’m in Texas. With 87 I got noticeably better fuel mileage using the same riding style. Just curious as to what you run before and after the tune
@@TheTyrone1981 hey Ty, I have always put 98 in it but have been thinking of alternating between 95 and 98 with the price of fuel these days! Didn’t change anything after the tune. The owners manual and all the stickers on the bike all said min 95 here. The only place I could find that said the lower octane was ok was the service manual, but as that was probably updated by Triumph from older manuals rather than written from scratch, I’m guessing that’s maybe not accurate.
@@watchapexmedia thanks so much I appreciate it. Ride safe and keep enjoying that rocket. Loving mine so far
Did you have to reload Penner tune after the dealership did the service?
How did this impact your gas mileage?
Not enough to notice, I get pretty much the same mileage as before... Win!
What obd you use?
I have an OBDLink MX+, but the LX works as well and is cheaper. They are the ones recommended by TuneECU. Other BT OBD devices work, but are not fully tested by the software author so might be hit and miss. The TuneECU Facebook forum has lots of posts from people who got others working.
@Apex Media ok I got it LX know how I tune up. Think just buy the CHEAP license don't allow me to do it.
@@comecalle8932 The basic 25 Euro license is all you need, and it allows you to register and tune 5 bikes. The Pro version just allows unlimited bikes, and also allows you remove the speed limiter and raise the redline. Not sure I'd want to do extremely high speeds on a naked bike anyway... 🙂
"Savage" is the right word for the de-restricted Rocket. Ulf's tune transforms the bike into the beast it should have been from the outset. My only question is: Why did Triumph limit the machine's power in the first place? I would not want to back to 165 ponies after having tasted the full power of the machine.
Glad you’re McLovin’ it! I suspect they primarily limited it to make it more manageable for more riders, and for drivetrain longevity. Although looking at the drive shaft compared to the old Rocket, not sure that’s an issue! But maybe they did it to leave a little something on the table for the aftermarket to unlock… Thanks for watching!
I’m in the process of having mine fined by brentuning. He thinks triumph restricts them from the factory because they plan on
Coming out with a version of the rocket that is unrestricted from the factory. Marketing play
That’s because you gave up your guns
I don't understand the risk of messing up your ECU, with such a powerful bike out of the box, not to mention your Warrnty is worthless now I'm picking up a 2023 Rocket-R in two weeks..and leaving it stock, no need to mess with Engine perfection.
Well for starters, I wasn't the first to do it, and made sure others trod the path in advance. Second, out of the hundreds of tables in the ECU, it only alters the throttle mappings, so fairly low risk. Lastly, I spoke to my Triumph dealer and they said that while Triumph would probably push back if there were drivetrain issues, they'd find it difficult to void warranty claims for unrelated issues. Like spongy brakes, leaky forks, cracked dashes etc. They even told me at the first annual service I'd need to reload my tune as they'd flashed the ECU. And It's now 10 months out of warranty and going strong!
@@watchapexmedia Naturally Fiddling with the ECU is not going to void a brake, lights or, even transmission issue etc. But just messing with the ECU, with no real need to do it, is frankly taking a risk of some China made garbage part from amazon messing with the computer.
Anyway, since I'm getting a Rocket soon, I subscribed to your channel.
@@elithegreat6463 I totally agree, I'm not strapping some $45 magic box from Ali Express to what is now a $35k (starting price) bike over here! But the tune is from a reputable tuner that has been tuning bikes in general and Triumphs in particular for years. And it uses software to apply it that is long established as some of the most feature rich available. Like I described in the vid, it even let me do "workshop only" tasks like recalibrating the crank position sensor. Thanks for the sub, I hope you enjoy your new beast. 👌
Either you're neurotic or just simply disjointed.
Why anyone would want to "fool" with an already masculine magnet of an elegant power cruiser is beyond me.
It's like spending $15,000 in a PRS CE24 with mother of pearl fretboard binding and inlay, and the first thing you do is change out the custom engineered PUPS for crap DiMarzio's -- or buying a '22 C8 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 then enquiring about the gas mileage.
In the right hands, the '22 Rocket 3 X will rip your arms off through 0-60 under 3s ... 100 at under 10s.
Ha! I agree, after feeling the extra oomph, I decided I'm probably unhinged... Thanks for watching.
@@watchapexmedia LOL! No, you're just a cool dude with a badass motorcycle AND YOU WANT TO RULE THE F'N WORLD -- don't all us Rocketeers!