Let's be honest here, Silus was a simp for the Mythic Dawn, he wasn't a follower of the real Dagon. Here's my take of the whole exchange there: I imagine Dagon would look down on the idea of a museum displaying mythic dawn paraphernalia. What Silus says is telling, for a moment his ancestor held the fate of the world in their hands. It isn't really about Dagon for him I think. It doesn't really matter what Silus planned to do with the Razor, if Dagon thought Silus would display it in his museum... Dagon would much rather his artifact be used to create a 'real' display of what he represents; destruction, which is why he doesn't want to give it to Silus. Silus lacks the ambition to wield it; he attempts to bribe you to get you to not kill him. He was never a pawn, he was a test to see if you were worthy to wield it. Great video, by the way!
Don't forget, in addition to your point, Silas doesn't go through the journey. It's the Dragon born that does. Silas has proven nothing except he is craven, and not capable of actual action.
Here's the funniest part, even if Silus gets the shards, simply holding the relic would inevitably attract other Dagon worshippers. His life is forfeit either way.
Dagon: Now go, and use my Razor to spread destruction! Dragonborn: It's going in the chest near my bed, and I'm never using it again. Dagon: .... Come on, man. I worked really hard on it.
@@bhuvanaramachandran2394 Those who don't meta game? Devoted followers of either Daedra or Mehrunes himself. A witch build combining the Razor and magic? (Or should I say Magicks) Those who don't have the unofficial mod patch, and abuse a two handed build with the Lucky dagger in the right hand and the Razor in the left so heavy attacks hit twice and the instakill chance shoots up
"...a random Magna Ge worked really hard on that razor, with the objective to kill Molag Bal. I really just found it somewhere." - Dagon to the Dragonborn, if he was honest. But even so, killing Alduin with the razor is always some sort of poetic justice. We're finally giving the Leaper Demon King some revenge for when Alduin turned him into the Daedric Prince of Destruction.
@@vestige1671 Nocturnal: This is ridiculous! What sort of idiot prince tries to invade the mortal plane at 3 am!? Dagon: Oh boy, 3 am! *starts opening portals
Can we have a video about the consequence of being a champion to multiple Daedra and what realm of Oblivion we get put into once we die? Including some stuff like being a werewolf.
Being the Dragonborn, Dragon-souled, mortal-bodied, our body may die, but our soul likely won't. Upon reaching Sovengard or whichever afterlife calls to us first, we may be capable of traversing the different planes without a body lagging us behind.
Joke's on the Daedric Princes; the Dragonborn's soul can only be claimed by (1) a dragon, (2) another dragonborn or (3) Akatosh. And since Akatosh is pretty hands-off, that means the Dragonborn's soul is his/her own until the end of time.
@@vulpesinculta3238 If that was true, wouldn’t someone like Nocturnal know something like that or at least mentioned it when she had written a contract for LBD for Nightingale powers?
FYI, there is an adventure mod that practically tells the story of the dragonborn in the afterlife. Basically, the dragonborn must go through 12 gates of hells to serve tasks for every Daedra that the Dragonborn has plegded his or her soul.
If you decide to mock Dagon by manscaping with Mehrunes' Razor, be careful! One slip and you won't have the balls to do it anymore. BTW, do you know where all the Mythic Dawn are? Dagon.
Maybe. The Reachmen were constantly kicked around by the other races of men, but with backing from Dagon, the Longhouse Emperors were able to control the empire for almost three generations. November 2021 Edit: Nevermind. The ESO Deadlands DLC showed this was a really bad deal for the Longhouse Emperors.
"Is Worshipping [One Corner of the House of Troubles] Worth It?" -29 minutes later "No." Though more generally, worshipping (in the fullness of the word) any individual daedra isn't a great way to approach the situation. With the notable exception of the Good Daedra, you're better off greeting any prince not as a supplicant but as a peer exchanging favors for favors. They are each an Ideal Form personified, and devoting oneself wholly to a singular sphere is to deny the full breadth of Lorkhan's creation; this is also why correct daedra worship is centered on the wellspring of 3 benevolent guides and corralled by 4 antagonists. Hircine could be an exception to this principle as the concept that is The Hunt can be abstracted out to wider fields than Destruction. This video could be described as being part of the hunt for views & patreons, and the Psijic Endeavor could similarly be spun as a metaphysical hunt. Of course, with enough abstraction black becomes white, so one might expect diminished returns asking Hircine for help in less straightforward hunts. I can imagine some bureaucrat in HR evoking Hircine to help find a qualified candidate to hire and him slumping his shoulders before giving a disaffected "Okay..."
I like the Dragonborn strategy: worship ALL of the daedra. Hard for a single daedric prince to screw you over when you're the champion of a dozen others, all having designs over and wishes for you.
The only Daedra that i would serve without a second thought would be Azura, since she appears most benevolent, or at least she tries to save her people or Meridia , since all she really cares about is killing undead
@@James-ep2bx in eso she cursed her follower so they couldn't sleep at all and said some fucked up stuff like she'd love to watch how much it'll take her to die away. the girl just didn't want to kill her friends who stole some relic?? OK NOCTURNAL. and then there's the whole summerset quest line so idk about her. she's totally whacked, too
@@llennococonnell sure, but so are all daidra. Hell based on lore Azura's the reason for the dark elfs, her visions aren't pleasant, and she's quite vindictive, even over what would be seen as minor slights. Hersine literally makes werebeasts, the companions are his doing, and hunts EVERYTHING you included, just look at the ring of Hersines quest line. Meridia doesn't care why something's undead only that it is, including vampire victims, nore does she care about the side effects of killing undead, so would have no issue touching a village just because a vampire was spending a day in an inn. And those are some of the "better" daidra, so in that context Nocturne is relatively laid back, hell some of her curses could even be seen as blessings in a different light, the grey couls for instance, and she actually doesn't want worship just respect, and her due, some her most devoted supporters the nightingales view it as nothing more then a transaction
Although Dagon is fascinating, I have no idea why you’d worship him. The cons definitely outweigh the pros. Unrelated, but the end fight of the Blackwood chapter in ESO was AMAZING! Racing through the keep while Dagon’s huge hands were punching into the walls and snatching people away- it was scary af. The ESO team did an excellent job with him.
Well I would imagine a psychopath who enjoys violence and manipulating people would have a great time with Mehrunes Dagon. But a normal person would definitely not.
That's kind of the point to me. Wanting to change something so bad that the rest of the world must change as well. So, the people that would want to do that are likely extremist or desperate slaves or nomads like reachmen. To correlate today, I see many leaders in politics that think like dragon worshippers, most of them democrats, as that is the quite literally party of change whatever change may be. Also holding their own values and goals above all else. Either, being ignorant to the fact that when you summon dagon (large changes/revolution) you will inevitably reach others you didnt intend to with your daedric fire, or they have already decided no matter what happens it's worth it. In theory, if the dwemer won and enslaved everybody and made them forget all their gods and they died off: dagon could likely become the last god to go, first to return, or ironically the bastion of hope trying to take down the oppressors. In their eyes it's change at all costs and change now. Kind of like the blm riots. Basically what I mean is looking at the correlation, a lot of people in reality are would be dagon worshippers but they just dont like whats attatched to the name dagon so theyre changing what they call him or just remain ignorant
@@TheGanjologist Well the general idea of all the Daedra princes is that they will turn on you if you are no longer useful to them. Mehrunes Dagon is not really unique in that sense, he just has higher demands/standards for his followers. But I could definitely see alot of people being Dagon worshipping today. Politically involved people especially.
I’ve been to “Paradise”, Kvatch, and the Shrine of Mehrunes Dagon in Skyrim... short answer... *NO!* I mean when Molag Bal, Sheogorath, Mephala and Hermaeus Mora all think you’re a prick, I mean, yeah that’s a bad sign. Also, I mean, he is the reason Emperor Picard was assassinated, nuff said.
15:15 maaaaaaaaaaaan you do not NEED Daedric help to become a THANE. I mean sheeesh, if your such a ‘powerful mage’, go kill a troll or stalk a weird dude in a swamp. Take care of some draugr or get a sword back from bandits & BOOM: Thane🤦🏻♂️ Should’ve just done what that one mute guy did. You know, _the Restorer of the Eldergleem, Thane of Haafinger, Whiterun, Falkreath, Riften, the Reach, the Pale, Winterhold, and Hjaalmarch, Harbinger of the Companions, Arch-Mage of the College of Winterhold, Blood-kin of Orcs, Listener/Leader of the Dark Brotherhood, Guild-Master of the Thieves Guild, Member of the Bards College, Dragonslayer of the Blades, Vampireslayer of the Dawnguard, Vanquisher of Morvath, Slayer of the Glenmoril Witches, Savior of Solstheim, Champion of the Nine Divines+Champion of 16 Daedric Princes(not required for other honors), Member of House Telvanni Honorary Member of the Moth Priests, Legate of the Imperial Legion, War Hero of Skyrim, Ender of the King Slayer, Bearer of Elder Scrolls, Conquerer of Windhelm, Agent of the Psigic Order, Nightingale, Vanquisher of the Wolf Queen, Savior of Winterhold, Redeemer of Japhet’s Folly, Dwemer Expert, Dragon of the North, Protector of Solitude, Bounty Hunter, Slayer of Chickens, Treasure Finder, 1% that holds 99% of all wealth in Skyrim, Stealer of Wooden Plates+Bowls, Wielder of Forks, Master of the Wabbajack Master of the Thu'um, Dragon Rider, and Possessor of Cheese…_ that guy f***s
I've always said if the Daedra were real I would without a doubt be a devote follower of a certain drinking buddy named Sam, I understand others like sheogorath and such but I just have always loved the god of ales and debauchery
I'd say worship hircine, he will never lie and never be angry if you thwart him fairly, and he will always be a good sportsman and give a fighting chance All hircine wants is for you to never forget about your inner primal nature, and to better yourself by using it
It doesn't always have to be "worth it" to worship an apocalypse cult. In my personal setting cultists usually worship because they've given completely into despair and confirmed for themselves that "No, I really DON'T want things to keep spinning if they're this fucked up."
Even if I am a Daedric Yandere, just by default... as Dragonborn, my soul will always return to Akatosh, so the Daedric Princes are shit out of luck with having my soul. 🙃
That didn’t stop Hermaeus Mora from imprisoning the first Dragonborn and a dragon for eternity. Better to deal with Daedric princes with your guard up, instead of relying on Akatosh to protect your soul. Didn’t work out that way for Miraak.
@@CeruleanSword Well Mirrak was trapped in apocrypha so as long as you aren’t in their realm of oblivion I think it’s fair to say that Akatosh most likely has your back
trading your soul for something is an extremely dumb thing to do, it's screwing over an eternal afterlife for a thing in life that won't matter once you die.
The Kindly Leaper-Demon King who was twisted into the mockery of change. Really, worshipping any deity in the Elder Scrolls series never seem to be worth it. Tis not a better thing to simply embrace the life and fulfill one's goals as best they go? Unless that goal is, of course, eradication and death of others. In that case, please, keep that in your pants..
I think of Dagon as the last ditch hail Mary pass for when you're backed into a corner and have to fight your way out. I also think he gets underestimated sometimes, because of his multiple failed attempts to conquer Tamriel. Domination is Molag's thing. I'm pretty sure Mehrunes just uses it as a pretense to set the stage for some grand upheaval or conflict. All of his failed conquests have directly led to such things down the line. He plays the long game.
There's some good or at least tempting reasons to, but on the other hand, you really don't want to anger Sheogorath to the point that he slips rope with your entrails. After all, Sheogorath is the Hero of Kvatch, Champion of Cyrodil and friend of Martin Septim.
My current play through of Skyrim is with a Dark Elf who starts of worshiping Dagon because he feels the good Daedra are not strong enough to avenge his people and against the Lizards and the Nords who have put refugees in an insulting slum. However, after the events of Moon and Stars and House of Horrors he switches to Bal and becomes a vampire via Krovaxis lair.
They really should make an Elder Scrolls RTS/Civ Builder where you play as one of the many Gods conflicting with the others and the occasional special human
Off topic but I recently started a playthrough of Morrowind with an extensive mod list and boy was this gem creepy. How I played it when I was younger I have no idea. Dagoth Ur is just a disaster. Morrowind is actually terrifying in a way. That part in the clockwork city where you see Sotha just dangling there in the air, plugged into his machine. Something about that horrified look on his face chilled me to the core. The fabricants look so bizarre. Almost as if Sotha Sil pulled them from some far off realm and welded metal parts to their bodies. The way Ash Ghouls dig out their eyes. The way they eventually grow trunks from the hole there. This game had a lot of moments that were down right horrifying that I never grasped fully when I was younger or never quite realized due to a lack of my own imagination and graphical power at the developers disposal when it was released. But playing it now, in 2021, with everything modified to make it look incredible, Mehrunes Dagon is the least of my worries. The implications have not been matched since. Oblivion. Skyrim. They fail to live up to their predecessor.
whats your mood list? I'm about to start another playthrough of morrowind but I want to overhaul the graphics and shit. make them as good as possible on my rig
@@deadseven3474 There is something wrong with worshipping Hircine. If you devote yourself to him, and you're not a lycanthrope, then upon death you will be taken to his hunting grounds. Except you'll be the prey of the werewolves for eternity, and not the other way around.
I don't know if it's NEVER worth it, the Orcs seem to be getting nothing but benefit by worshiping Malacath in the long-term. The majority of every other race on Tamriel are going to hate them regardless, so they aren't really loosing anything by keeping him around. Pretty sure the only instance of peaceful cooperation with Orcs is in Valenwood explicitly because of the Bosmer's green pact making plant harming forbidden. And outside of that the only thing they're thought to be good for is smithing and killing but aren't welcome outside of these specific things, so why not? There's no up-side to trying to get in good with the Devines from their perspective. They'll just spend their after life with a bunch of people who hate them, not exactly a selling point.
@@Terror_Official That’s hardly true. Hircine enjoys it when the hunt is turned on it’s head, as shown by Ill Met By Moonlight. Whether the hunters can best the beasts, or the beast bests the hunters, Hircine finds value in both the skill and cunning needed to make the win happen. The Hunting Grounds is more of a survival of the fittest than a one sided slaughter.
I'd like to see videos like this about the other Daedra, as this one is really fascinating. Particularly, the three Daedra I'd love to know if it's worth following are Jyggalag, Meridia, and Hermaeus Mora.
Molag Bal and Malacath are my gods Every time I start a new game I mediately head west, to Markarth on foot, to obtain the bloody mace Molag Bal, then Head east on foot to the orc camp to gain malacath’s hammer. Mace and hammer, Tusk and blade That’s my motto as an orc warrior in Skyrim
Well, it's a tough question. Let's check our formula: Is the god a daedra? Yes [V] No [ ] According to our formula, Mehrunes Dagon is a daedra, so yes, it's worth worshipping him.
Imagine if Ulfric would secretly be worshipping Dagon in order for his rebellion to succeed. Its a rebellion after all, it is meant to bring change, right? It would bring so much more depth to the Stormcloaks. Who knows, maybe thats why they seem to be so successful compared to the Legion's better military. Mehrunes Dagon is the daedra you turn to when you want success at any cost, I like that he is ruthless and even the most successful of all daedric lords, he won the Oblivion Crisis, everything that happens in Skyrim happens because his plans succeeded - change was brought to Tamriel on a massive scale, the 4th era is nothing like the 3rd era.
I don’t think the cultists were actually being punished in the paradise. I think it was dragons way of slowly stripping away there humanity until after time all that was left was a loyal daedric spirit. They would be immortal and presumably powerfull cause ya know, they have to practice fighting or end up in the lava cave of fun times.
Dagon is basically the Nirn's version of the Devil, Satan himself. While Molag Bal is the most evil Daedric Prince, Dagon has all the resemblances of the Devil on his appearance....
I can see two philosophies in game that have shown to actually work in morals favor as far as daedra worship is concerned. The first is to actually move away from the concept of worship and to recognize the lord's as false friends. They treat morals as tools and so should we. A means to gain power but not someone to trust. This generally requires a very powerful moral, someone capable of defending then selfs from the ire of the lord's should the need be. I think manimarco is the chief example of this done right. The second philosophy is the one of the dark elves, or khajiit. Worshiping several lords in tandem as a society which seems to sorta balence out the influence of the daedra. Not allowing their fickle nature to lead you to ruin by worshiping only one. Of course the ayleids did eventually collapse but it does seem like they might have leaned too much in to the power of the daedra, plus like the 9 divines also were against them so that might have something to do with it.
Requesting a who is more of a powerful\dangerous dadreic lord ? List a few powerful dedric lords and done you got yourself an episode! (Sorry if i misspelled incorrectly)
As a different Michael once said: I'm starting with the man in the mirror I'm asking him to change his ways And no message could have been any clearer If you want to make the world a better place Take a look at Mehrunes, and then make a change
The Nine Divines: It is complicated... so either fishes or birds of the divine world. Aedra: The dogs of the divine world. Daedra: The cats of the divine world. If you ever had cats, you know how self-centered they are and how they view us humans as just tools for their agendas. 🤣
Depends, are you one of the strong? Or one of the weak? If you are one of the strong then it can be worth it, Cameron got to be a mini daedric prince with his own realm he had control over. Unfortunately if you are one of the weak your existence will be an eternal hell with no escape. That was really the mistake Mythic Dawn made, the normal members weren't "the strong", not really anyway, they put on a facade of strength and confidence, but in the end their arrogance was only a mask for their insecurities, they were nothing but insecure weaklings who wanted Dagon to give them the ability to be powerful when they couldn't be strong on their own. Dagon seems like the kind of guy who would have extreme contempt for weak people begging for power from a superior being, he might even find it disgusting to witness.
the mythic dawn museum in dawnstar being allowed to exist is one of the funniest and dumbest thing in skyrim. it's like some guy down the road literally building an atomic bomb and you do nothing
The other thing to consider is that if you are indeed successful, and do seize power and rule over your chosen group, province, or all of Tamriel, that just puts you in power. Now you've set yourself up to be the one that someone else may later petition Dagon's help to overthrow.
And if you're at the more Azura and Hercine level, but neither strikes your fancy Nocturne may be willing to hear your request, and Meridia is always looking for champions in the fight against the undead
How little you understand! You cannot stop Lord Dagon. The Principalities have sparkled as gems in the black reaches of Oblivion since the First Morning. Many are their names and the names of their masters: the Coldharbour of Meridia, Peryite's Quagmire, the ten Moonshadows of Mephala, and... and Dawn's Beauty, the Princedom of Lorkhan... misnamed 'Tamriel' by deluded mortals. Yes, you understand now. Tamriel is just one more Daedric realm of Oblivion, long since lost to its Prince when he was betrayed by those that served him. Lord Dagon cannot invade Tamriel, his birthright! He comes to liberate the Occupied Lands! Ask yourself! How is it that mighty gods die, yet the Daedra stand incorruptible? How is it that the Daedra forthrightly proclaim themselves to man, while the gods cower behind statues and the faithless words of traitor-priests? It is simple... they are not gods at all. The truth has been in front of you since you first were born: the Daedra are the true gods of this universe. Julianos, Dibella and Stendarr are all Lorkhan's betrayers, posing as divinities in a principality that has lost its guiding light. What are Scholarship, Love and Mercy when compared to Fate, Night and Destruction? The gods you worship are trifling shadows of First Causes. They have tricked you for Ages. Why do you think your world has always been contested ground, the arena of powers and immortals? It is Tamriel, the realm of Change, brother to Madness, sister to Deceit. Your false gods could not entirely rewrite history. Thus you remember tales of Lorkhan, vilified, a dead trickster, whose heart came to Tamriel. But if a god can die, how does his heart survive? He is daedroth! TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH! "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." You all remember this. It is in every legend. Daedra cannot die, so your so-called gods cannot erase him from your minds completely.
Here's my thing. Bethesda dropped the ball with the "Worshiping" aspect of the game. Personally, I would loved to have seen exclusive perk trees open up depending on which Diety the Drahonborn chose to worship. With quests suiting each unique diety. The more you act as the champion of said diety the more perk points you would gain for their respective tree. This would have added so.much more to the Role Playing Aspect which the game so desperately needs.
@@Starkiller44570 oh how I wish I had pc and a decent internet option in my area. Everything is better on PC. I hope they include that in the next version of skyrim about to be released.
I'm so glad i love these Lore videos ive always been coming back and forth between skyrim, mostly due to accidently deleting my saves so watching these helps get back on track.
Much appreciated *Fudgemuppet,* the gambling with this Daedric Prince can be near Clavicus Vile levels of dangerous. *"The Hardest choices often require the Strongest wills"*
I am certain I've watched every FudgeMuppet video and you guys never disappoint. These are the videos I use to search for long before I found this channel. Thanks
>Skyrim >Is mostly about Oblivion and Pre-Skyrim lore Gotta get those clicks by naming it Skyrim sadly cause people seem to have only played Skyrim these days :(
please continue this series with all the deadra! maybe another “is worshipping the divines worth it” since you don’t directly interact with them they can be combined :)
I am fairly certain he does not like how I decided to use it. It's a wall hanging dust collector. But I guess that's how most players use it. The Daedra should really learn some manners. Or give away better weapons. Seriously. If they actually wanted me to carry their dust collectors around they should have given them worthwhile enchantments. That 1% of instant kill is not even a joke, because jokes are funny. That's just sad and pathetic. At least it looks okay. If the great Mehrunes or whatever wants to buy bu a real weapon I am open for commissions. Seriously, even the 37 times Karl stabbed that dude in the chest likely wouldn't have triggered that. Ugh, maybe my spoon has the same enchantment? Who knows?
I’m a servant of lord Dagon and a tool of his wishes as Dragonborn and would willingly kill and destroy Tamriel. I’ve read the whole Mysterium Xarxes and believe that Tamriel is part of the Oblivion. I’m actually restoring the Mythic Dawn, killed Silus who was unworthy, and making what Mankar Camoran did in the past. All hail Lord Dagon
Short answer: No. Long answer: Do you just want to see the world burn? If not, then hell no. Commentary that people will find more interesting anyway: One thing I find interesting in Oblivion is that most of the pre-placed Mythic Dawn sleeper agents have implied reasons to want to join; and while for some the motivations are personal like wanting friends, a lot of them are in positions of little power where they're frustrated and strongly desire change, but don't feel they can get it normally. Abused servants, seen friends stagnate and degenerate, or simply hate the idea of worshipping what they see as a failing, worthless institution; all sorts of people who see something about society that they can't change corrupt the world around them are attracted to the Mythic Dawn, hoping that the Daedric Prince's power can force through the change they want to see. Of course, they're wrong, but that isn't about Dagon, it's about Mankar Camoran being kind of a dick.
I'm just here to say, everytime i use Mehrunes Razor in Skyrim, it never 1 shots... Until a follower steps in-between, then that follower is immediately dead for good 🤣 all hail Dagon! I wish i had the option to help you take over in Oblivion
No... What do you get from him??? A stupid little knife.... Bah. What you get from worshipping me??? Wabbajack!!! Not to mention a lifetime supply of CHEESE!!!
The only Daedric Princes I'd ever consider worshipping are Azura,Meridia and Hircine. Azura beacuse she seems like the least likely to ask me to commit some horrific act to gain her favour,Meridia beacuse I'd honestly to be a Crusader who destroys the undead in her name and Hircine beacuse he at least has a semblance of honor and sport
What ? Is that option even in the game you're talking about ? You get a chappy dagger. Skyrim the best looking most extravagant waste of time. If you couldn't go as far as you could with smiting and enchanting it wouldn't be worth playing.
Since mehrunes dagon is the king of revolution rather than violence, it seems there is more reason to worship him than other daedra (I’m looking at you molag bal). If you are driven by the want to overthrow a government or something alike then worship him and receive his help until he probably betrays and kill you because you’re now in power instead of doing a revolution
besides mehrunes razor is kinda shit. base damage is nothing special and 2% of chance of instant kill its useless. I have double dragon swords mixed with elemental fury and dual flury perk i can kill dragons and even dragon priests in less than 10 secconds.
Why worship or listen to anyone in elderscrolls? It’s all a dream, and the only way to escape that dream and make real choice is to acknowledge the dream but resist the fact that you are a dream. I treat all my characters like Doomguy/Pelinel these days.
You gotta think... Any Daedric prince that wanted to invade Tamriel in the Fourth Era... They got one threat, greater than any, that is the Dragonborn.
Let's be honest here, Silus was a simp for the Mythic Dawn, he wasn't a follower of the real Dagon. Here's my take of the whole exchange there: I imagine Dagon would look down on the idea of a museum displaying mythic dawn paraphernalia. What Silus says is telling, for a moment his ancestor held the fate of the world in their hands. It isn't really about Dagon for him I think. It doesn't really matter what Silus planned to do with the Razor, if Dagon thought Silus would display it in his museum... Dagon would much rather his artifact be used to create a 'real' display of what he represents; destruction, which is why he doesn't want to give it to Silus. Silus lacks the ambition to wield it; he attempts to bribe you to get you to not kill him. He was never a pawn, he was a test to see if you were worthy to wield it.
Great video, by the way!
Jokes on him, everybody just stashes every unique item on a chest and continues to use op alchemy enchanted equipment anyway,
PJ haha Dragonborn museum goes brrrrr
Don't forget, in addition to your point, Silas doesn't go through the journey. It's the Dragon born that does. Silas has proven nothing except he is craven, and not capable of actual action.
Here's the funniest part, even if Silus gets the shards, simply holding the relic would inevitably attract other Dagon worshippers. His life is forfeit either way.
its more like, silus thought dis dagon guy cool, forefather boi killed emperor and gets utterly screwed by mehrune donut by death
Dagon: Now go, and use my Razor to spread destruction!
Dragonborn: It's going in the chest near my bed, and I'm never using it again.
Dagon: .... Come on, man. I worked really hard on it.
Who want a metal sharp thing when you can have a iron dagger with 1 million damage
😄👍
One more word and it lands in a chest even further from my bed
@@bhuvanaramachandran2394 Those who don't meta game?
Devoted followers of either Daedra or Mehrunes himself.
A witch build combining the Razor and magic? (Or should I say Magicks)
Those who don't have the unofficial mod patch, and abuse a two handed build with the Lucky dagger in the right hand and the Razor in the left so heavy attacks hit twice and the instakill chance shoots up
"...a random Magna Ge worked really hard on that razor, with the objective to kill Molag Bal. I really just found it somewhere."
- Dagon to the Dragonborn, if he was honest.
But even so, killing Alduin with the razor is always some sort of poetic justice. We're finally giving the Leaper Demon King some revenge for when Alduin turned him into the Daedric Prince of Destruction.
Dagon every few Elder Scrolls games: I should invade
How many times do the have to teach you this lesson, old man?!
@@vestige1671 Nocturnal: This is ridiculous! What sort of idiot prince tries to invade the mortal plane at 3 am!?
Dagon: Oh boy, 3 am! *starts opening portals
Molag Bal seething at the fact it’s cool when dagon does it but not when he invaded
Nooo! You can't just worship Mehrunes Dagon, he initiated the Oblivion Crisis!!
haha, razor go brrr
no, razor go staby stab
XDDD
Worth! #worth
So are we going to get a "Is worshipping so and so worth it" series? Because that would be awesome.
Yeah.
Can we have a video about the consequence of being a champion to multiple Daedra and what realm of Oblivion we get put into once we die? Including some stuff like being a werewolf.
That is a good question. For example, do vampires that worship other daedra still go to Coldharbor?
Being the Dragonborn, Dragon-souled, mortal-bodied, our body may die, but our soul likely won't. Upon reaching Sovengard or whichever afterlife calls to us first, we may be capable of traversing the different planes without a body lagging us behind.
Joke's on the Daedric Princes; the Dragonborn's soul can only be claimed by (1) a dragon, (2) another dragonborn or (3) Akatosh. And since Akatosh is pretty hands-off, that means the Dragonborn's soul is his/her own until the end of time.
@@vulpesinculta3238 If that was true, wouldn’t someone like Nocturnal know something like that or at least mentioned it when she had written a contract for LBD for Nightingale powers?
FYI, there is an adventure mod that practically tells the story of the dragonborn in the afterlife.
Basically, the dragonborn must go through 12 gates of hells to serve tasks for every Daedra that the Dragonborn has plegded his or her soul.
If you decide to mock Dagon by manscaping with Mehrunes' Razor, be careful! One slip and you won't have the balls to do it anymore.
BTW, do you know where all the Mythic Dawn are?
Dagon.
I see what you did there.
Oof, gotta be careful
Why should you avoid making Molag Bal mad?
He always Coldharbours a grudge.
@@badluck5647 booo
@@badluck5647
Oof 🤣
Maybe. The Reachmen were constantly kicked around by the other races of men, but with backing from Dagon, the Longhouse Emperors were able to control the empire for almost three generations.
November 2021 Edit: Nevermind. The ESO Deadlands DLC showed this was a really bad deal for the Longhouse Emperors.
I doubt it since dragons wernt around in the 2nd era in the reach
@@badluck5647 ohhh I read that very wrong
you litterally have to take the r out of dragon and it spells dagon so no one can blame you for making that mistake
Because they refuse to civilize. The Reachmen will be exterminated to a man regardless who wins the civil war
@@NecrosAcolyte They say that about orcs too, but they always seem to rebuild.
"Is Worshipping [One Corner of the House of Troubles] Worth It?"
-29 minutes later
"No."
Though more generally, worshipping (in the fullness of the word) any individual daedra isn't a great way to approach the situation. With the notable exception of the Good Daedra, you're better off greeting any prince not as a supplicant but as a peer exchanging favors for favors. They are each an Ideal Form personified, and devoting oneself wholly to a singular sphere is to deny the full breadth of Lorkhan's creation; this is also why correct daedra worship is centered on the wellspring of 3 benevolent guides and corralled by 4 antagonists.
Hircine could be an exception to this principle as the concept that is The Hunt can be abstracted out to wider fields than Destruction. This video could be described as being part of the hunt for views & patreons, and the Psijic Endeavor could similarly be spun as a metaphysical hunt. Of course, with enough abstraction black becomes white, so one might expect diminished returns asking Hircine for help in less straightforward hunts.
I can imagine some bureaucrat in HR evoking Hircine to help find a qualified candidate to hire and him slumping his shoulders before giving a disaffected "Okay..."
Definilty yes, because you can get free Gold, Ebony, Moonstone ingots from his shrine.
And 4 free Daedra hearts from the 4 Dremoras both outside, and inside his shrine.
You can get them if you spare Silus too. Don't need to worship anyone.
@@jamescarey6263 silus never survives lol
🤷🏿♂️ can't argue with that
Can get inside without death of Silus (did this last week,also not started dragons-yet)
I like the Dragonborn strategy: worship ALL of the daedra. Hard for a single daedric prince to screw you over when you're the champion of a dozen others, all having designs over and wishes for you.
chaos undivided
Silas Vesuius is equivalent to edgy teenager who adores square moustache tyrant that rejected from art school.
Vesuius at least gets scared straight.
silas vesuius was folded by the racist jokes he laughed at ironically until he did a racism unironically
I have 2 moods, the oblivion crisis didn’t happen. The empire deserved it.
Or a che or Fidel shirt
@@tobe1207 hey buddy, we’re drawing in game parallels, those are real people and thus not nearly as funny
The only Daedra that i would serve without a second thought would be Azura, since she appears most benevolent, or at least she tries to save her people or Meridia , since all she really cares about is killing undead
From what I've seen Nocturne isn't too bad either, if a bit fickle, and she won't begrudge someone have second thoughts about it
@@James-ep2bx in eso she cursed her follower so they couldn't sleep at all and said some fucked up stuff like she'd love to watch how much it'll take her to die away. the girl just didn't want to kill her friends who stole some relic?? OK NOCTURNAL. and then there's the whole summerset quest line so idk about her. she's totally whacked, too
@@llennococonnell sure, but so are all daidra. Hell based on lore Azura's the reason for the dark elfs, her visions aren't pleasant, and she's quite vindictive, even over what would be seen as minor slights.
Hersine literally makes werebeasts, the companions are his doing, and hunts EVERYTHING you included, just look at the ring of Hersines quest line.
Meridia doesn't care why something's undead only that it is, including vampire victims, nore does she care about the side effects of killing undead, so would have no issue touching a village just because a vampire was spending a day in an inn.
And those are some of the "better" daidra, so in that context Nocturne is relatively laid back, hell some of her curses could even be seen as blessings in a different light, the grey couls for instance, and she actually doesn't want worship just respect, and her due, some her most devoted supporters the nightingales view it as nothing more then a transaction
Malacath is best daedra. Change my mind
@@terriblecompany1588 for savage marauders, and/or outcasts sure otherwise less so, though not that bad either
Although Dagon is fascinating, I have no idea why you’d worship him. The cons definitely outweigh the pros.
Unrelated, but the end fight of the Blackwood chapter in ESO was AMAZING! Racing through the keep while Dagon’s huge hands were punching into the walls and snatching people away- it was scary af. The ESO team did an excellent job with him.
when the DB has guests, he introduces it as a wall hanger that isn't even sharp but was a good deal.
Well I would imagine a psychopath who enjoys violence and manipulating people would have a great time with Mehrunes Dagon. But a normal person would definitely not.
That's kind of the point to me. Wanting to change something so bad that the rest of the world must change as well.
So, the people that would want to do that are likely extremist or desperate slaves or nomads like reachmen.
To correlate today, I see many leaders in politics that think like dragon worshippers, most of them democrats, as that is the quite literally party of change whatever change may be.
Also holding their own values and goals above all else. Either, being ignorant to the fact that when you summon dagon (large changes/revolution) you will inevitably reach others you didnt intend to with your daedric fire, or they have already decided no matter what happens it's worth it.
In theory, if the dwemer won and enslaved everybody and made them forget all their gods and they died off: dagon could likely become the last god to go, first to return, or ironically the bastion of hope trying to take down the oppressors. In their eyes it's change at all costs and change now. Kind of like the blm riots.
Basically what I mean is looking at the correlation, a lot of people in reality are would be dagon worshippers but they just dont like whats attatched to the name dagon so theyre changing what they call him or just remain ignorant
The only daedra I'd worship is hircine
@@TheGanjologist Well the general idea of all the Daedra princes is that they will turn on you if you are no longer useful to them. Mehrunes Dagon is not really unique in that sense, he just has higher demands/standards for his followers.
But I could definitely see alot of people being Dagon worshipping today. Politically involved people especially.
I’ve been to “Paradise”, Kvatch, and the Shrine of Mehrunes Dagon in Skyrim... short answer... *NO!* I mean when Molag Bal, Sheogorath, Mephala and Hermaeus Mora all think you’re a prick, I mean, yeah that’s a bad sign. Also, I mean, he is the reason Emperor Picard was assassinated, nuff said.
Dagon gets some credit for destroying Lyg, at least. Anyone who gets one over on Molag Bal to that extent can't be all bad.
15:15 maaaaaaaaaaaan you do not NEED Daedric help to become a THANE.
I mean sheeesh, if your such a ‘powerful mage’, go kill a troll or stalk a weird dude in a swamp. Take care of some draugr or get a sword back from bandits & BOOM: Thane🤦🏻♂️
Should’ve just done what that one mute guy did.
You know, _the Restorer of the Eldergleem, Thane of Haafinger, Whiterun, Falkreath, Riften, the Reach, the Pale, Winterhold, and Hjaalmarch, Harbinger of the Companions, Arch-Mage of the College of Winterhold, Blood-kin of Orcs, Listener/Leader of the Dark Brotherhood, Guild-Master of the Thieves Guild, Member of the Bards College, Dragonslayer of the Blades, Vampireslayer of the Dawnguard, Vanquisher of Morvath, Slayer of the Glenmoril Witches, Savior of Solstheim, Champion of the Nine Divines+Champion of 16 Daedric Princes(not required for other honors), Member of House Telvanni Honorary Member of the Moth Priests, Legate of the Imperial Legion, War Hero of Skyrim, Ender of the King Slayer, Bearer of Elder Scrolls, Conquerer of Windhelm, Agent of the Psigic Order, Nightingale, Vanquisher of the Wolf Queen, Savior of Winterhold, Redeemer of Japhet’s Folly, Dwemer Expert, Dragon of the North, Protector of Solitude, Bounty Hunter, Slayer of Chickens, Treasure Finder, 1% that holds 99% of all wealth in Skyrim, Stealer of Wooden Plates+Bowls, Wielder of Forks, Master of the Wabbajack Master of the Thu'um, Dragon Rider, and Possessor of Cheese…_ that guy f***s
Screw Dagon. Let me worship Sheogorath!
BRING ME THE *CHEESE* !!!
I've always said if the Daedra were real I would without a doubt be a devote follower of a certain drinking buddy named Sam, I understand others like sheogorath and such but I just have always loved the god of ales and debauchery
Sanguine is all fun and games until you get choked by a violent drunk.
Proceeds to get depression from exaggerated hedonism and lack of meaning like a boss.
@@breadlover302 Joke’s on you, I’m into that shit!
Your creativity never stops delighting! I love this one, super interesting to think about all the different factors you went into here
well said
Fudge: better follow Hircine
Me: *remembering Bloodmoon DLC* not sure if that's better...
I'd say worship hircine, he will never lie and never be angry if you thwart him fairly, and he will always be a good sportsman and give a fighting chance
All hircine wants is for you to never forget about your inner primal nature, and to better yourself by using it
The fact that Dagon in ESO seems to be voiced by Worf, makes it better.
Did Michael Dorn do the voice? I don't have that game yet 🥺 but I 💜 Worf!
"Is worshipping Dagon worth it?" Yeah bro, I need the Oblivion Walker achievement
It doesn't always have to be "worth it" to worship an apocalypse cult. In my personal setting cultists usually worship because they've given completely into despair and confirmed for themselves that "No, I really DON'T want things to keep spinning if they're this fucked up."
I still don't get why should I worship Goro from Mortal Kombat
*Kombat
@@Vampyrate_ touché
Even if I am a Daedric Yandere, just by default... as Dragonborn, my soul will always return to Akatosh, so the Daedric Princes are shit out of luck with having my soul. 🙃
When my Dragonborn dies they’re all going to ask for her soul and she’s just gonna say “Nah, I don’t really feel like it”
@@BigBoss549 That is awesome!
That didn’t stop Hermaeus Mora from imprisoning the first Dragonborn and a dragon for eternity.
Better to deal with Daedric princes with your guard up, instead of relying on Akatosh to protect your soul. Didn’t work out that way for Miraak.
@@CeruleanSword Well Mirrak was trapped in apocrypha so as long as you aren’t in their realm of oblivion I think it’s fair to say that Akatosh most likely has your back
trading your soul for something is an extremely dumb thing to do, it's screwing over an eternal afterlife for a thing in life that won't matter once you die.
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“Khajiit likes dis blade, yes. Dis blade fits well in Khajiit’s hand and it looks good. Dis blade is so sharp! It feels - GAH”
*Khajiit dies.
This would make a nice movie.
The Kindly Leaper-Demon King who was twisted into the mockery of change. Really, worshipping any deity in the Elder Scrolls series never seem to be worth it. Tis not a better thing to simply embrace the life and fulfill one's goals as best they go? Unless that goal is, of course, eradication and death of others. In that case, please, keep that in your pants..
I think of Dagon as the last ditch hail Mary pass for when you're backed into a corner and have to fight your way out.
I also think he gets underestimated sometimes, because of his multiple failed attempts to conquer Tamriel. Domination is Molag's thing. I'm pretty sure Mehrunes just uses it as a pretense to set the stage for some grand upheaval or conflict. All of his failed conquests have directly led to such things down the line. He plays the long game.
Sometimes I don’t think Dagon is in it to win. I think he just likes rocking the boat and seeing what happens next.
@@AzureTheAvian Definitely, he's the fire that burns down the old growth to make way for the new.
Dagon always been my favorite, being a fan of conjuration and a slightly pyromaniac the deadlands is a great choice for me. Dawn is breaking.
Greet the new day.
Same
Lord of destruction, emissary of change. He is the personification of chaos and ambition put into one, all hail
🔥☀️😈 LORD DAGON 😈☀️🔥
All hail lord Dagon!
There's some good or at least tempting reasons to, but on the other hand, you really don't want to anger Sheogorath to the point that he slips rope with your entrails.
After all, Sheogorath is the Hero of Kvatch, Champion of Cyrodil and friend of Martin Septim.
Skyrim loves shoving Deadra in your face. I'm just out here trying to do the right thing and you want me to do what?
My current play through of Skyrim is with a Dark Elf who starts of worshiping Dagon because he feels the good Daedra are not strong enough to avenge his people and against the Lizards and the Nords who have put refugees in an insulting slum. However, after the events of Moon and Stars and House of Horrors he switches to Bal and becomes a vampire via Krovaxis lair.
They really should make an Elder Scrolls RTS/Civ Builder where you play as one of the many Gods conflicting with the others and the occasional special human
Good job i make all my characters as ginger as i so they dont have a soul to steal, take or torture😉
Off topic but I recently started a playthrough of Morrowind with an extensive mod list and boy was this gem creepy. How I played it when I was younger I have no idea. Dagoth Ur is just a disaster. Morrowind is actually terrifying in a way. That part in the clockwork city where you see Sotha just dangling there in the air, plugged into his machine. Something about that horrified look on his face chilled me to the core. The fabricants look so bizarre. Almost as if Sotha Sil pulled them from some far off realm and welded metal parts to their bodies. The way Ash Ghouls dig out their eyes. The way they eventually grow trunks from the hole there. This game had a lot of moments that were down right horrifying that I never grasped fully when I was younger or never quite realized due to a lack of my own imagination and graphical power at the developers disposal when it was released. But playing it now, in 2021, with everything modified to make it look incredible, Mehrunes Dagon is the least of my worries. The implications have not been matched since. Oblivion. Skyrim. They fail to live up to their predecessor.
whats your mood list? I'm about to start another playthrough of morrowind but I want to overhaul the graphics and shit. make them as good as possible on my rig
so only do it if you want to tear down an empire.
Like the aldmeri dominion...
_Thinks agressively..._
The Prince that was promised who'll bring the Dawn.😐😐😐😐😐
I don't think worshipping any of the Deadric princes is worth it.
ain't nothing wrong with Hircine if you're fond of hunting and the wilderness, and Azura's pretty good as long as you don't ever stop loving her.
If you’re actually devoted, Hircine, Meridia and Azura are the ones you can likely worship with the least resistance.
@@deadseven3474 There is something wrong with worshipping Hircine. If you devote yourself to him, and you're not a lycanthrope, then upon death you will be taken to his hunting grounds. Except you'll be the prey of the werewolves for eternity, and not the other way around.
I don't know if it's NEVER worth it, the Orcs seem to be getting nothing but benefit by worshiping Malacath in the long-term. The majority of every other race on Tamriel are going to hate them regardless, so they aren't really loosing anything by keeping him around. Pretty sure the only instance of peaceful cooperation with Orcs is in Valenwood explicitly because of the Bosmer's green pact making plant harming forbidden. And outside of that the only thing they're thought to be good for is smithing and killing but aren't welcome outside of these specific things, so why not? There's no up-side to trying to get in good with the Devines from their perspective. They'll just spend their after life with a bunch of people who hate them, not exactly a selling point.
@@Terror_Official That’s hardly true. Hircine enjoys it when the hunt is turned on it’s head, as shown by Ill Met By Moonlight. Whether the hunters can best the beasts, or the beast bests the hunters, Hircine finds value in both the skill and cunning needed to make the win happen. The Hunting Grounds is more of a survival of the fittest than a one sided slaughter.
I'd like to see videos like this about the other Daedra, as this one is really fascinating. Particularly, the three Daedra I'd love to know if it's worth following are Jyggalag, Meridia, and Hermaeus Mora.
Molag Bal and Malacath are my gods Every time I start a new game I mediately head west, to Markarth on foot, to obtain the bloody mace Molag Bal, then Head east on foot to the orc camp to gain malacath’s hammer.
Mace and hammer, Tusk and blade
That’s my motto as an orc warrior in Skyrim
Well, it's a tough question. Let's check our formula:
Is the god a daedra?
Yes [V] No [ ]
According to our formula, Mehrunes Dagon is a daedra, so yes, it's worth worshipping him.
Imagine if Ulfric would secretly be worshipping Dagon in order for his rebellion to succeed. Its a rebellion after all, it is meant to bring change, right? It would bring so much more depth to the Stormcloaks. Who knows, maybe thats why they seem to be so successful compared to the Legion's better military. Mehrunes Dagon is the daedra you turn to when you want success at any cost, I like that he is ruthless and even the most successful of all daedric lords, he won the Oblivion Crisis, everything that happens in Skyrim happens because his plans succeeded - change was brought to Tamriel on a massive scale, the 4th era is nothing like the 3rd era.
But the stormcloaks canonically got beat silly in just a few months after tullius arrived- they haven't been successful since before tullius got there
This proves that Molag Bal, Malocath, and Hircine are far better then Mehrunes Dagon.
mephala simps all the way
It's only worth it if your dragonborn because akatosh will bail you out
I don’t think the cultists were actually being punished in the paradise. I think it was dragons way of slowly stripping away there humanity until after time all that was left was a loyal daedric spirit. They would be immortal and presumably powerfull cause ya know, they have to practice fighting or end up in the lava cave of fun times.
Dagon is basically the Nirn's version of the Devil, Satan himself. While Molag Bal is the most evil Daedric Prince, Dagon has all the resemblances of the Devil on his appearance....
I can see two philosophies in game that have shown to actually work in morals favor as far as daedra worship is concerned. The first is to actually move away from the concept of worship and to recognize the lord's as false friends. They treat morals as tools and so should we. A means to gain power but not someone to trust. This generally requires a very powerful moral, someone capable of defending then selfs from the ire of the lord's should the need be. I think manimarco is the chief example of this done right.
The second philosophy is the one of the dark elves, or khajiit. Worshiping several lords in tandem as a society which seems to sorta balence out the influence of the daedra. Not allowing their fickle nature to lead you to ruin by worshiping only one. Of course the ayleids did eventually collapse but it does seem like they might have leaned too much in to the power of the daedra, plus like the 9 divines also were against them so that might have something to do with it.
C'mon guys we all know which Daedra we should really follow.
A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON.
Requesting a who is more of a powerful\dangerous dadreic lord ?
List a few powerful dedric lords and done you got yourself an episode!
(Sorry if i misspelled incorrectly)
i and martin defeated Mehrunes Dagon last week
one more week and i get my new armour.
Brace yourself for disappointment.
@@CorvoFG i may just put it show like the crusader of the nine set
I whould never truly trust him. Ya he gives you what he promised but at what cost? It whould be like making a deal with the devil
In Oblivion, Mehrunes Dagon had his Daedric Servants torture his worshippers.
As a different Michael once said:
I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you want to make the world a better place
Take a look at Mehrunes, and then make a change
The Nine Divines: It is complicated... so either fishes or birds of the divine world.
Aedra: The dogs of the divine world.
Daedra: The cats of the divine world.
If you ever had cats, you know how self-centered they are and how they view us humans as just tools for their agendas. 🤣
Depends, are you one of the strong? Or one of the weak? If you are one of the strong then it can be worth it, Cameron got to be a mini daedric prince with his own realm he had control over.
Unfortunately if you are one of the weak your existence will be an eternal hell with no escape.
That was really the mistake Mythic Dawn made, the normal members weren't "the strong", not really anyway, they put on a facade of strength and confidence, but in the end their arrogance was only a mask for their insecurities, they were nothing but insecure weaklings who wanted Dagon to give them the ability to be powerful when they couldn't be strong on their own.
Dagon seems like the kind of guy who would have extreme contempt for weak people begging for power from a superior being, he might even find it disgusting to witness.
the mythic dawn museum in dawnstar being allowed to exist is one of the funniest and dumbest thing in skyrim. it's like some guy down the road literally building an atomic bomb and you do nothing
As an imperial Khajiit that worships talos, I say " whatever floats your boat"
The other thing to consider is that if you are indeed successful, and do seize power and rule over your chosen group, province, or all of Tamriel, that just puts you in power. Now you've set yourself up to be the one that someone else may later petition Dagon's help to overthrow.
He is also the Daedra of Revolution on top of Destruction afterall.
I think Dagon is actually Ben 10. He got trapped in his Four-Arms form and the watch was broken, so he evolved and has been a daedra ever since
"TOP 10 THINGS BETHESDA WAS HIDING FROM YOU!"
And if you're at the more Azura and Hercine level, but neither strikes your fancy Nocturne may be willing to hear your request, and Meridia is always looking for champions in the fight against the undead
Short awnser: no. No it is not.
kinda crazy how this dude still uploads skyrim vids
Been spending most their lives, living in Mankar's paradise
How little you understand! You cannot stop Lord Dagon. The Principalities have sparkled as gems in the black reaches of Oblivion since the First Morning. Many are their names and the names of their masters: the Coldharbour of Meridia, Peryite's Quagmire, the ten Moonshadows of Mephala, and... and Dawn's Beauty, the Princedom of Lorkhan... misnamed 'Tamriel' by deluded mortals.
Yes, you understand now. Tamriel is just one more Daedric realm of Oblivion, long since lost to its Prince when he was betrayed by those that served him. Lord Dagon cannot invade Tamriel, his birthright! He comes to liberate the Occupied Lands! Ask yourself! How is it that mighty gods die, yet the Daedra stand incorruptible? How is it that the Daedra forthrightly proclaim themselves to man, while the gods cower behind statues and the faithless words of traitor-priests? It is simple... they are not gods at all.
The truth has been in front of you since you first were born: the Daedra are the true gods of this universe. Julianos, Dibella and Stendarr are all Lorkhan's betrayers, posing as divinities in a principality that has lost its guiding light. What are Scholarship, Love and Mercy when compared to Fate, Night and Destruction? The gods you worship are trifling shadows of First Causes. They have tricked you for Ages.
Why do you think your world has always been contested ground, the arena of powers and immortals? It is Tamriel, the realm of Change, brother to Madness, sister to Deceit. Your false gods could not entirely rewrite history. Thus you remember tales of Lorkhan, vilified, a dead trickster, whose heart came to Tamriel. But if a god can die, how does his heart survive? He is daedroth! TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH! "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." You all remember this. It is in every legend. Daedra cannot die, so your so-called gods cannot erase him from your minds completely.
Here's my thing. Bethesda dropped the ball with the "Worshiping" aspect of the game.
Personally, I would loved to have seen exclusive perk trees open up depending on which Diety the Drahonborn chose to worship. With quests suiting each unique diety. The more you act as the champion of said diety the more perk points you would gain for their respective tree. This would have added so.much more to the Role Playing Aspect which the game so desperately needs.
The religion mod is awesome if you have pc (idk about Xbox)
perk tress? what? oh, you mean skyrim..
@@Starkiller44570 oh how I wish I had pc and a decent internet option in my area. Everything is better on PC. I hope they include that in the next version of skyrim about to be released.
Hi
I'm so glad i love these Lore videos ive always been coming back and forth between skyrim, mostly due to accidently deleting my saves so watching these helps get back on track.
Keep spoiling us like this with quality content and you will soon have an entire community of Nazeems.
Can't choose-thumb up/down...
Good one😎
Much appreciated *Fudgemuppet,* the gambling with this Daedric Prince can be near Clavicus Vile levels of dangerous.
*"The Hardest choices often require the Strongest wills"*
I am certain I've watched every FudgeMuppet video and you guys never disappoint. These are the videos I use to search for long before I found this channel. Thanks
>Skyrim
>Is mostly about Oblivion and Pre-Skyrim lore
Gotta get those clicks by naming it Skyrim sadly cause people seem to have only played Skyrim these days :(
please continue this series with all the deadra! maybe another “is worshipping the divines worth it” since you don’t directly interact with them they can be combined :)
I only worship Shaogorath
No. This man tried to conquer Nirn numerous times, famously the Oblivion Crisis, and wanted to enslave Tamriel.
I am fairly certain he does not like how I decided to use it.
It's a wall hanging dust collector.
But I guess that's how most players use it. The Daedra should really learn some manners. Or give away better weapons. Seriously. If they actually wanted me to carry their dust collectors around they should have given them worthwhile enchantments. That 1% of instant kill is not even a joke, because jokes are funny. That's just sad and pathetic. At least it looks okay.
If the great Mehrunes or whatever wants to buy bu a real weapon I am open for commissions. Seriously, even the 37 times Karl stabbed that dude in the chest likely wouldn't have triggered that. Ugh, maybe my spoon has the same enchantment? Who knows?
I’m a servant of lord Dagon and a tool of his wishes as Dragonborn and would willingly kill and destroy Tamriel. I’ve read the whole Mysterium Xarxes and believe that Tamriel is part of the Oblivion. I’m actually restoring the Mythic Dawn, killed Silus who was unworthy, and making what Mankar Camoran did in the past. All hail Lord Dagon
I'd rather join the mythic dawn instead of joining the worm bois
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Do you just want to see the world burn? If not, then hell no.
Commentary that people will find more interesting anyway:
One thing I find interesting in Oblivion is that most of the pre-placed Mythic Dawn sleeper agents have implied reasons to want to join; and while for some the motivations are personal like wanting friends, a lot of them are in positions of little power where they're frustrated and strongly desire change, but don't feel they can get it normally. Abused servants, seen friends stagnate and degenerate, or simply hate the idea of worshipping what they see as a failing, worthless institution; all sorts of people who see something about society that they can't change corrupt the world around them are attracted to the Mythic Dawn, hoping that the Daedric Prince's power can force through the change they want to see.
Of course, they're wrong, but that isn't about Dagon, it's about Mankar Camoran being kind of a dick.
I'm just here to say, everytime i use Mehrunes Razor in Skyrim, it never 1 shots... Until a follower steps in-between, then that follower is immediately dead for good 🤣 all hail Dagon! I wish i had the option to help you take over in Oblivion
Mehrunes Dagon looks like the devil from that Lil Nas X music video
No... What do you get from him??? A stupid little knife.... Bah. What you get from worshipping me??? Wabbajack!!! Not to mention a lifetime supply of CHEESE!!!
The only Daedric Princes I'd ever consider worshipping are Azura,Meridia and Hircine. Azura beacuse she seems like the least likely to ask me to commit some horrific act to gain her favour,Meridia beacuse I'd honestly to be a Crusader who destroys the undead in her name and Hircine beacuse he at least has a semblance of honor and sport
What ? Is that option even in the game you're talking about ? You get a chappy dagger. Skyrim the best looking most extravagant waste of time. If you couldn't go as far as you could with smiting and enchanting it wouldn't be worth playing.
The book mods you have are AMAZING 👏👏👏. Good vid
Some people just want to watch the world burn. LOL
Since mehrunes dagon is the king of revolution rather than violence, it seems there is more reason to worship him than other daedra (I’m looking at you molag bal). If you are driven by the want to overthrow a government or something alike then worship him and receive his help until he probably betrays and kill you because you’re now in power instead of doing a revolution
besides mehrunes razor is kinda shit. base damage is nothing special and 2% of chance of instant kill its useless. I have double dragon swords mixed with elemental fury and dual flury perk i can kill dragons and even dragon priests in less than 10 secconds.
Imagine how powerful the LDB would become if they used the razor on Ohgma Infinium, the Black Books or even the Elder Scrolls
Fudgemuppet could you PLEASE do a video like this for Hermaeus Mora weighing the pros and cons of worshipping the god of Fate and knowledge
Hircine, Sanguine, Meridia, Azura, and Sheogorath are safer options. Peryite is probably the least likely to off his own followers.
Yes, just for the treasure in his shrine and deadra hearts alone.
Why worship or listen to anyone in elderscrolls? It’s all a dream, and the only way to escape that dream and make real choice is to acknowledge the dream but resist the fact that you are a dream. I treat all my characters like Doomguy/Pelinel these days.
It is never worth it.
Honestly I wish they had alternative quest to destroy the evil.
Wdym
Yeah I totally did not end up killing Silus for the razor 😅
I'm collecting weapons so... Yeah....
The occurrence of a saviour isn't something you want to rely on when making religious decisions. What an amazing example of irony
You gotta think... Any Daedric prince that wanted to invade Tamriel in the Fourth Era... They got one threat, greater than any, that is the Dragonborn.