And when Scott talks about contradiction - lying to yourself somehow makes it true, I realized that it works for propagandas and modern creation myths as well. The first big brothers wouldn't believe a word of it, but as generations come and go, not only did the great grandson big brothers lose those esoteric insights that make them lucid, but the people was somehow so inspired by the lies that they have built up confidence, unity, pride and even noble optics etc. That's how propagandas realize themselves, occasionally.
It's incredible how far all three of you have come as Elder Scrolls historians. You are all becoming such skilled orators in your own ways! I love having 3 different people with distinct voices/opinions on the channel!
are there three narrators/voices? Cool! I'm new here, so I didn't realize that. All I know now is that Oxhorn and FudgeMuppet are my go-to's regarding Bethesda lore :) where there's passion, there is value
@@pedrokoury1352 yeah! The three hosts are Drew, Michael, and Scott. Check out their elder scrolls podcast; you'll quickly get to know all three! They have different opinions, so they have some great discussions!
@@ihaztehSNIPAH Thanks for the warm reply (the UA-cam comments section hasn't been too friendly with me recently)! I'm not so much into podcasts but I'll surely participate here on UA-cam. Look forward to further immersing myself in this world. I'm thinking of creating new characters in Skyrim or Oblivion based primarily on their religious/philosophical beliefs rather than just on their "build", you know? 🌘🌗🌖🌕🌔🌓🌒🌑
@@prydzen Go woke go broke applies because the ones they wanna be woke at, like me, a gay enby. Well they just insult us. Like yes multibillion dollar corporation who is no doubt abusing their employees, please turn my identity and my pains into another thing to buy. Yes I certainly like it when my existence is being commodified.
THIS is pretty much exactly why Mephala is my favorite Daedric Prince. I just have to respect how clever and insidious she is. I think her title of "Prince of lies, sex, and murder" doesn't really do her justice, hence why I think it'd be more fitting to refer to her as "Prince of subterfuge." But ironically, being underestimated is probably exactly what she wants, given that deceit is literally her thing. Also, like you said, she has massive influence. Even more than her sibling Hermaeus Mora, in my opinion. Great video!
Prince of Subversion. Every expectation unmet or surprised, every obvious truth becomes a lie, every obvious lie becomes a truth. There is no distinction between the normal and the perverse, the sane and the bizarre. Even mephala's gender expression is an illusion, simply a ruse for seduction. She is as incomprehensible as she is sinister. She is kind of similar to Lolth from DnD, except Mephala is actually intelligent and lucid, whereas Lolth is impulsive and incoherent.
The Night Mother being a shrine of Mephala makes sense to me. I always wondered why Cicero, an amazing assassin, was taken out of the field when he was one of the best. But if he's actually taking care of one of Mephala's conduits, then it would make more sense. This is because Cicero is a master manipulator. Many assassin's just sneak and stab, some are purely brute force, some prefer poisons, others shoot fire balls from the darkened corner, but Cicero is known for being a betrayer... In fact, that's what his card calls him in Elder Scrolls: Legends. I don't know, it sounds cool to me. The Night Mother always seemed dull and didn't peek my interest all that much, but if she is a conduit for our Daedric Lady, then she's a lot cooler than I thought. Also, I'm an Elder Scrolls baby and I've been bingeing lore, so finding out that Mephala is the sister of my personal arch nemesis/ favorite villian Hermeaus Mora is awesome to me. I'm a Dark Sister, even when I try to make a moral character I just can't seem to help myself! I'm also a knowledge junky, so Hermeaus Mora always makes me a little uncomfortable since he is the most attractive "sin" for me personally. And I both love and hate him for it...
Dragonborn: So what was your plan when you gave me the Ebony Blade and told me to betray people with it? Cause I just threw it down the Whalebone Bridge. Mephala: Um...
@@unocoltrane2804 I Also threw Dawnbreaker, Wabbajack, Sanguine's Rose, Masque of Clavicus Vile, Hircine's Ring and Oghma Infinitum down the same bridge. The Princes can have a nice group project for figuring out how to get them back.
@@Jan-fu9pg I Thought about it, but I decided to let ol' Molag Bal be alone with that Boethiah's Priest. "I am pretty sure that my minion will come torture you. Any minute now. The Dragonborn would not just ignore me forever...would he?"
@@csco8586 no.. no we not good. it's old and stale, and anyone who is still playing these games at this point recognizes this. i would know, i started playing videogames with morrowind.. i played it into oblivion (pun intended) and then played skyrim the past decade as well as going back to morrowind and daggerfall many times throughout the years. these games are not immortal. they cannot provide the thing you want from them forever. there must be new iterations, and properly done as well.
I remember many years ago when I considered Shoddycast to be the best channel for Elder Scrolls lore content. Not going to throw any shade at Shoddycast, but Fudgemuppet has definitely earned the title of the best Elder Scrolls channel ever. You guys dig so much deeper into the lore than basically all the other channels, while also keeping up a steady output of quality videos. Thank you guys and I hope you will continue doing Elder Scrolls related videos for a very long time. When TES VI eventuelly releases I hope you’ll still be making them from your respective retirement homes.
Lol, I know what you mean. I’ve actually never played an es game but fudge muppet got me hooked on the lore during Covid. After watching probably hundreds videos about Es lore- I’m starting to feel like I know a respectable amount of it. A few days ago I was suggested shoddy cast videos and I’ve watched their Es lore series. It was very well produced (namely the season 2 with their buttery smooth hired voice actor and cameo of sheo’s real voice actor ) but during season one I was able to get nitpicking with the content (for examples- explanations for race conflicts and interpretations of ideas like dragon breaks). . I think shoddy cast is great for introductory content for new people, but it does lack the depth shown here or even by camel works. Probably my least favorite part of shoddy cast’s lore videos- isn’t their fault- but the comment section was full surface level comments that you might see on just any viral video- packed full of lore misinformation or misconceptions. I like reading the comments here because I feel like I can learn from others. Just a different viewership, I guess.
Sorry, not sorry: Trinimac sounds like the best macaroni dish you’ve never had. Mmmm Good ol’. Trinimac and cheese... *Edit* never thought I’d get 50 likes from a cheesy comment about Trinimac: the original snack, the taste Daedric princes can’t resist. Thanks!
Please don't eat Trinimac, you'll make more daedric princes when toilet time comes. Don't eat Malacath either, 99,99% of doctors say ingesting feces is not good for your health
@@PhoenixFlame321 Hmmm would taste like **** anyway. I mean you are right. He was made from excrement. True we don't need more like him laying around the ground for someone to step in.
ES5 came out 9 years ago. It's amazing that this video has +20k views. That speaks to the quality of FM videos and the great work that goes into them. Keep up the good work gentlemen!
They should release some books that shows events that happened between Skyrim and TES 6 that doesn’t involve the Dovahkiin. Ex: The Dark elves and Argonians fighting again, Bosmer uprising, -Thalmor attacking a chicken- ,etc.
@@obijuanquenobi1911 We also should hear something about what became of the dragons in a cameo in TES 6 or have a book about that. Or have a book about Akavir/a spinoff game there later
@@idipped2521 Akavir needs its own mainline game. Also stop saying Akavir. There's 4-5 confirmed races, and 4 confirmed countries. Akavir is a continent. We could however, very well see some place such as Tsaeci or Tang'Mo. Neither of which are confirmed to have dragons. Ka'Po'Tun are the tiger people, and supposedly ruled by a dragon.
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 The Elder Scrolls does not have to be restricted to Tamriel. A game in Akavir would give FudgeMuppet a lot more to talk about. I would rather have just a spinoff rather than a series there to have some mystery left
Mephala, Boethiah, and Azura have always been my favorite of the Princes, and I just realized how fitting that is when it comes to my Khajiit Dragonborn. Even though he grew up mostly outside of Elsweyr, he still feels a deep connection to them.
@@CoffeeSuccubus I never really thought about who my favorite Daedric Prince is out of the ones who represent themselves as a female. But I'd say either Mephala or Nocturnal easily. Appearance wise both Prince and Realm, Mephala has that gothic look to her and I love that old Victorian Gothic look of sorts and the same goes for her realm. Nocturnal is sexy let's be honest, and her realm has this gloomy beauty to it which I loved during the Summerset Story. But I'd say I favor Mephala more because she's got one over Nocturnal with her and her realm sorta remind me of the Contessa and Episode 5 in Sly 2 which are my favorite boss and location in the game. And Contessa is... a spider. Murderous, decietful, etc. Just like Mephala.
@@damipark6534 No habla Espanol, but I did translate via Google Translate. The reason is simple. My love for these two Daedra are not unconditional. I only like Nocturnal because she's sexy. I have more reasons to like Mephala more. Perfect Daedric Prince to follow if you're into the art of Murder. And I do like The Dark Brotherhood more than the Thieves Guild.
Behold! The Loremasters of Fudge have once again read from the Elder Scrolls. And once more have set events in motion....that result in me playing Skyrim until mods destroy my save file and I have to reinstall Skyrim and start fresh.
I made a graphic overhaul following a UA-cam video modlist and now I can only play 30-40 mins of Skyrim until me battery gets to like 20-30% and I have to turn off the game. Granted, my recharger is ruined (own a laptop) but still...its what I got :)
You guys could start another channel on historical mythology. Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Norse, Celtic, etc.... I would so follow that! That would be cool. .... or a Lovecraft or Dune channel. Your vids are great.
You guys need to do a podcast on Akatosh and his different interpretations along with his connection to Lorkhan, like how some Shezzarine were also Dragonborn.
Boethia was always my favorite but without a doubt Bethesda seems to have done a great job with in game lore being accurate enough yet simultaneously misinformation enough as to render all of the daedra (really the Aedra as well or for that matter all of the mythologies of Mundus) to be totally misunderstood. Must make for a gold mine for you guys you have nearly infinite material for lore deep dives like these. Kind of makes me want to redo the library house build in Skyrim tbh
Since "Herma Mora" or "The Woodland Man" is one of Hermeus Mora's names, it makes sense that he would be somehow associated with a group called "The Foresters Guild".
1) I absolutely LOVE this video! Mephala is my favorite Prince due to her intriguing Sphere, and this video further confirms that. I feel like you could say she's the "Head" Daedra because of her contribution to civilization and involvement with fate, always being connected to events 2) 28:06 that Ordinator has achieved CHIM because he's vibing through floors! :O
Its funny how fantasy can be therapeutic. Sometimes it helps us better understand our shit but then again it may also be a plain and simple escape route. My parents' generation doesn't quite understand that
Always appreciate it when it isn’t the guy who watched too many documentaries and drones on in similar fashion. I skip so many videos when he’s the narrator. Thanks for doing this one Scott.
I think mephala has more things in common with jyggalag than other princes. I mean they both are all about control. Other through absolute order and other behind the scenes
Excellent video! By the end, I started to perceive Mephala as the Daedric prince of politics: a messy, necessary world full of secrets and affairs (JFK comes to mind). This made it easier for me to understand Mephala as a keeper of civilisation for what use do the primitive, who live by the whims of nature, have of legislation and words? I also couldn't help but to think about a possible rivalry between Mephala en Hermaeus Mora. One creates secrets, the other unfolds them. Anyway, those were my thoughts about Mephala...
I would gladly see you and other TES historians as an NPCs in newcoming TES. You doing great job extending hidden knowledge for us. Bethesda should be gratefull because with your next video my appreciation for Bethesda made lore is growing up. Thank you Loremaster Muppet.
Wow, I just realized that I wasn’t subbed. I’m not sure if I accidentally unsubbed previously but I have been watching your channel for over a year and I love it!
I like that halfway through the video I'm like "By Talos, I know nothing of Tamrielic lore". Are you in the Imperial Library? You must be. I was studying the Dwemer in that website years ago and it was a very immersive experience. Either way, my point is...do you have a "basic lore" video I can go to? Either way, I'm going to have a very good time going through your lore videos. Thanks for the wonderful editing and voice over. P.S.: If I could suggest any "improvements", it would be adding text to your videos whenever you're reading passages or quotes from official stuff. Since sometimes there is ALOT to absorb and many different names to remember, it might be interesting to have visual cues. I'm not a fellow content creator so I'm just speaking as a viewer! Thanks again. Cheers from Brazil
The Difference in Secrets: Mora keeps OBJECTIVE truths, never to be revealed unless you find out for yourself or make a deal. Mephala keeps SUBJECTIVE opinions, which she reveals at her discretion for pleasure.
The importance of the number 8 and the eight-spoked wheel seem to be clear references to Buddhism, and Mephala in some ways seems very similar to the Hindu goddess Maya, who deceives people into believing material reality exists. It seems like Mephala is important for both maintaining the material world of Nirn through her carnal aspects while also revealing to her followers the path towards Chim, which is itself similar to Nirvana. This would make a great video essay... (I’m not Hindu or Buddhist nor an expert in their theologies, so forgive me if my comparison is off)
Maphala was never my favorite, but she is the most endless potential content mine. Even more than the mystery of Nocturnal or the endless need for upheaval of Mehrunes Dagon. And no matter how much I like to explore Deadric Princes like Nameria or Malacath, you can't actually do a terrible amount with them to expand on their lore than already has been.
until i started watching these videos, i didn't realise how much influence Ludwig Feuerbach's and maybe even Stirner's writings have on elder scrolls lore
Strange, the Ayleids supposedly were obsessed with the number 8. Could there be a connection between them and Mephala? Seems odd that there would be, given that they seemed to revere Meridia above all others, rather than Mephala.
It's fun to do a playthrough starting with the ebony blade, then do the brotherhood and/or thieves guild on mephala's behalf - making off with the sanctuary repair money or the skeleton key to screw your faction over in the end. I like to imagine that in the case of the brotherhood, she would know they would be destroyed by their own actions, and even if they're her people, would see it almost like a fun prank. Or an eradication of something stiff and unimportant that she no longer needs. And assuming you're not playing as the dragonborn - whether mephala is also cheating nocturnal out of the soul of a nightingale, or whether you the player are yourself being screwed and decieved into thinking you'll be safe from nocturnal is up to your own speculation.
Mephala being the Night Mother just fits her MO to a T. Being married to "Sithis", the proto Lorkhan, fits her allyship and reverence to Lorkhan in Dunmer and Kajhiiti mythology. Co opting symbols to have power over them which, if this theory is true, is basically what she's doing as the Night Mother. Brings into question the nature of the Night Mother's prayers. Chances are not all prayers are relayed to the Listener but simply the ones that fit Mephala's design.
You know going back I'm less convinced that mephala is the nightmother, and more so namira. It's very likely, but the dark brotherhood is too lorkhan specific and the rites and general fashion of operation screams namira. Not saying boethiah isn't involved but this one feels like joint effort
I'm interested in the connection between mephala and malacath. I suppose that you cannot have outcasts if there is no agreed-upon order or Society to be cast out from. Great video!
The nature of mundus and the dream of the God head behooves the importance of who is writing the lore and the damage they do when they soften the edges, water down the venom, and devalue the septims with lead. Mephala knows this and seeks to protect her people from the milksop at Bethesda.
Mephala was already my favorite Daedric Prince. This video just made that choice indisputable. Now, about that 'god' thing with the Tribunal. False "gods" as they were not born with that power. I'll take Alduin because he is reel. And he ent Akatosh!
I am thrown every time I hear "zero sum" used to describe "yeeting oneself out of existence." I keep thinking of it in terms of "the gains of one side are directly exponential to the losses of the other side." It's taking me time to adjust to the revised 2021 definition. It happened so quickly.
8 is the number of Mephala. 8 is the number of bits in a byte, which is the fundamental storage unit of computers. Multiplying that by 2 gives you 16, the number of bits in a short. Continuing the pattern you then have 32 bits, integer and float; 64 bits, double and long; 128 bits; 256 bits; 512 bits... All multiplies of 8. Therefore, since 8 is Mephala's number, and computing make frequent use of bits in various multiples of 8, computers are secretly machinations of Mephala.
Why would Mephala want to "trick" the Morag Tong into worshiping Sithis over her when this would significantly weaken her? I get she's the Daedric Prince of secrets, but this makes her seem more like a stupid, unthinking animal that can only act in her domain, even if it's self destructive? Not to mention, the various examples of Sithis showing his influence and Lucien acknowledging the void's existence.
Every time Eorlund Gray-Mane says that (Gods be praised) I instantly hear "Goths be praised". It is the Nordic accent. It makes me wanna start a "gothic" build tho lol
Mephala lore has drawn alot of inspiration from the astrological sign Scorpio, after all astrology is really a thousands of years old collection of archetypes.
Those spokes of the Spiral Skein seem as if they are each associated with different Daedric princes, pointing toward connections with others' realms. Most curious.
Yeah at least that is how the legend goes. Probably figuratively. Hmmm... I was just thinking of going back to bring Trinimac to the future to meet Malacath so I can merge them into a Trinicath or better yet a Malamac. The last one made me hungry... Admit it you want a big Malamac 🍔 with cheese 🧀 and fries 🍟
Dude I gotta say, you explained khim better in this video than you did in the video about it... or at least I think it was your video lol. Anyway I finally get it! Thanks!
After reading platos allegory of the cave maphala came to mind. The idea of our reality and society being made up of a lie, just shadows on a back wall to keep us preoccupied, its presented by both maphala and plato. She is the deadric god of lies, secrets, murder and sex but understanding her can come with a lot of truth. It's really interesting the comment of a web being both a tool and a trap because by understanding it you can pull the strings and use that lie to your advantage. So interesting making connections like that
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Mephala in brief:
*We truly live in a society.*
And when Scott talks about contradiction - lying to yourself somehow makes it true, I realized that it works for propagandas and modern creation myths as well.
The first big brothers wouldn't believe a word of it, but as generations come and go, not only did the great grandson big brothers lose those esoteric insights that make them lucid, but the people was somehow so inspired by the lies that they have built up confidence, unity, pride and even noble optics etc. That's how propagandas realize themselves, occasionally.
hahaha exactly
@@wulerhaufung9468 Stop. You’ve just ruined the joke.
BOTTOM RUNES
@@itsclemtime2357 And you're toxic
Mephala: You have two questions, and my three answers will be lies.
It's incredible how far all three of you have come as Elder Scrolls historians. You are all becoming such skilled orators in your own ways! I love having 3 different people with distinct voices/opinions on the channel!
are there three narrators/voices? Cool! I'm new here, so I didn't realize that. All I know now is that Oxhorn and FudgeMuppet are my go-to's regarding Bethesda lore :) where there's passion, there is value
@@pedrokoury1352 yeah! The three hosts are Drew, Michael, and Scott. Check out their elder scrolls podcast; you'll quickly get to know all three! They have different opinions, so they have some great discussions!
@@ihaztehSNIPAH Thanks for the warm reply (the UA-cam comments section hasn't been too friendly with me recently)! I'm not so much into podcasts but I'll surely participate here on UA-cam. Look forward to further immersing myself in this world. I'm thinking of creating new characters in Skyrim or Oblivion based primarily on their religious/philosophical beliefs rather than just on their "build", you know? 🌘🌗🌖🌕🌔🌓🌒🌑
@@pedrokoury1352 Yep! I was just planning on doing the same. I am going to download the wintersun faiths of skyrim mod. It looks fun.
Hi, just here to tell you two that I loved your conversation and found it wholesome, have a good day/night.
“Like how corporations marry social causes to continue making a profit” I never knew FudgeMuppet was so BASED
except half of the time they go broke and they still continue doing it. that is some blue pill you swallowed.
@@prydzen many go woke get broke. Not all...
@@TerrariaGolem yes and that should signal corporations that going woke is not what people want, yet they do it. hence what i said before.
@@prydzen Go woke go broke applies because the ones they wanna be woke at, like me, a gay enby.
Well they just insult us.
Like yes multibillion dollar corporation who is no doubt abusing their employees, please turn my identity and my pains into another thing to buy. Yes I certainly like it when my existence is being commodified.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 seconded as a fellow enby
It fills me with emense joy whenever these nerds come out with another lore video. It like a high five to my heart
A bit ironic.
@Roy Dabral *WHACK*
Immense*
@@abyssstrider2547 He/she never implied that we are not nerds
@@rup7591 Oh, cause that's what i thought
You guys are the best! I love watching your lore videos. Helps me sleep at night and then I pick back up where i leave off.
Me too
That's what I'm currently doing right now, and what I've been doing for years, falling asleep to a fudgemuppet video
Facts
Omg same. I listen every night
The relatability
THIS is pretty much exactly why Mephala is my favorite Daedric Prince. I just have to respect how clever and insidious she is.
I think her title of "Prince of lies, sex, and murder" doesn't really do her justice, hence why I think it'd be more fitting to refer to her as "Prince of subterfuge." But ironically, being underestimated is probably exactly what she wants, given that deceit is literally her thing. Also, like you said, she has massive influence. Even more than her sibling Hermaeus Mora, in my opinion. Great video!
Prince of Obfuscation
Aspect of Truth
Prince of Subversion. Every expectation unmet or surprised, every obvious truth becomes a lie, every obvious lie becomes a truth. There is no distinction between the normal and the perverse, the sane and the bizarre. Even mephala's gender expression is an illusion, simply a ruse for seduction. She is as incomprehensible as she is sinister. She is kind of similar to Lolth from DnD, except Mephala is actually intelligent and lucid, whereas Lolth is impulsive and incoherent.
@@kingkasdin9767 The truth is usually just an excuse for lack of an imagination :p
The Night Mother being a shrine of Mephala makes sense to me. I always wondered why Cicero, an amazing assassin, was taken out of the field when he was one of the best. But if he's actually taking care of one of Mephala's conduits, then it would make more sense. This is because Cicero is a master manipulator. Many assassin's just sneak and stab, some are purely brute force, some prefer poisons, others shoot fire balls from the darkened corner, but Cicero is known for being a betrayer... In fact, that's what his card calls him in Elder Scrolls: Legends.
I don't know, it sounds cool to me. The Night Mother always seemed dull and didn't peek my interest all that much, but if she is a conduit for our Daedric Lady, then she's a lot cooler than I thought.
Also, I'm an Elder Scrolls baby and I've been bingeing lore, so finding out that Mephala is the sister of my personal arch nemesis/ favorite villian Hermeaus Mora is awesome to me. I'm a Dark Sister, even when I try to make a moral character I just can't seem to help myself! I'm also a knowledge junky, so Hermeaus Mora always makes me a little uncomfortable since he is the most attractive "sin" for me personally. And I both love and hate him for it...
Dragonborn: So what was your plan when you gave me the Ebony Blade and told me to betray people with it? Cause I just threw it down the Whalebone Bridge.
Mephala: Um...
You did what
I wonder if it would come back to another champion somehow, or if losing it in Aetherius cuts it off from Mephala.
@@unocoltrane2804 I Also threw Dawnbreaker, Wabbajack, Sanguine's Rose, Masque of Clavicus Vile, Hircine's Ring and Oghma Infinitum down the same bridge. The Princes can have a nice group project for figuring out how to get them back.
@@lassegt Maybe next time you get there throw a certain mace down as well. You know good old Molag Bal doesn't want to feel left out.
@@Jan-fu9pg I Thought about it, but I decided to let ol' Molag Bal be alone with that Boethiah's Priest. "I am pretty sure that my minion will come torture you. Any minute now. The Dragonborn would not just ignore me forever...would he?"
Even if Besthsda messes up the elder scrolls 6 we have the community to keep it alive.
YES
Exactly. We still have Skyrim and Oblivion, and if we have entertained ourselves with those for the past couple decades....we good homie lol
@@csco8586 no.. no we not good. it's old and stale, and anyone who is still playing these games at this point recognizes this. i would know, i started playing videogames with morrowind.. i played it into oblivion (pun intended) and then played skyrim the past decade as well as going back to morrowind and daggerfall many times throughout the years. these games are not immortal. they cannot provide the thing you want from them forever. there must be new iterations, and properly done as well.
No, please, don't give todd anymore excuses to under deliver
I remember many years ago when I considered Shoddycast to be the best channel for Elder Scrolls lore content. Not going to throw any shade at Shoddycast, but Fudgemuppet has definitely earned the title of the best Elder Scrolls channel ever. You guys dig so much deeper into the lore than basically all the other channels, while also keeping up a steady output of quality videos. Thank you guys and I hope you will continue doing Elder Scrolls related videos for a very long time. When TES VI eventuelly releases I hope you’ll still be making them from your respective retirement homes.
respective retirement homes :) I agree
Lol, I know what you mean. I’ve actually never played an es game but fudge muppet got me hooked on the lore during Covid. After watching probably hundreds videos about Es lore- I’m starting to feel like I know a respectable amount of it. A few days ago I was suggested shoddy cast videos and I’ve watched their Es lore series. It was very well produced (namely the season 2 with their buttery smooth hired voice actor and cameo of sheo’s real voice actor ) but during season one I was able to get nitpicking with the content (for examples- explanations for race conflicts and interpretations of ideas like dragon breaks). . I think shoddy cast is great for introductory content for new people, but it does lack the depth shown here or even by camel works. Probably my least favorite part of shoddy cast’s lore videos- isn’t their fault- but the comment section was full surface level comments that you might see on just any viral video- packed full of lore misinformation or misconceptions. I like reading the comments here because I feel like I can learn from others. Just a different viewership, I guess.
Things learned in Skyrim: Mephala has the sexiest voice of all the Daedric princes.
Lydia has the same voice actor
@@ravindunandirathna1600 I knew why I always liked Lydia's voice 😁
I dunno. Molag Bal's voice was pretty smooth.
Always love waking up to a FudgeMuppet video
time zones are crazy i just got home from a long day of school
Same man his voice is very nice
Agree
Imma start doing that
Sorry, not sorry: Trinimac sounds like the best macaroni dish you’ve never had. Mmmm Good ol’. Trinimac and cheese...
*Edit* never thought I’d get 50 likes from a cheesy comment about Trinimac: the original snack, the taste Daedric princes can’t resist.
Thanks!
Mix trinimac with malacath and you either have a Trinicath or a Big Malamac 🍔 with a side of 🍟
Cheese!
Please don't eat Trinimac, you'll make more daedric princes when toilet time comes.
Don't eat Malacath either, 99,99% of doctors say ingesting feces is not good for your health
Macaroni with mozzarella, cheddar, and parmesan?
@@PhoenixFlame321 Hmmm would taste like **** anyway. I mean you are right. He was made from excrement. True we don't need more like him laying around the ground for someone to step in.
Watching this further deepens my love for Mephala. I went so far as to build a shrine/room dedicated to Her in my primary residence in ESO.
I remade Spiralskein haha ^^
ES5 came out 9 years ago. It's amazing that this video has +20k views. That speaks to the quality of FM videos and the great work that goes into them. Keep up the good work gentlemen!
The wait for TES 6 is becoming mind numbing. If we could even get a new book to help with the wait that would be great
They should release some books that shows events that happened between Skyrim and TES 6 that doesn’t involve the Dovahkiin. Ex: The Dark elves and Argonians fighting again, Bosmer uprising, -Thalmor attacking a chicken- ,etc.
@Ralis Sedarys I'm thinking 2024
@@obijuanquenobi1911 We also should hear something about what became of the dragons in a cameo in TES 6 or have a book about that. Or have a book about Akavir/a spinoff game there later
@@idipped2521 Akavir needs its own mainline game. Also stop saying Akavir. There's 4-5 confirmed races, and 4 confirmed countries. Akavir is a continent. We could however, very well see some place such as Tsaeci or Tang'Mo. Neither of which are confirmed to have dragons. Ka'Po'Tun are the tiger people, and supposedly ruled by a dragon.
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 The Elder Scrolls does not have to be restricted to Tamriel. A game in Akavir would give FudgeMuppet a lot more to talk about. I would rather have just a spinoff rather than a series there to have some mystery left
Mephala, Boethiah, and Azura have always been my favorite of the Princes, and I just realized how fitting that is when it comes to my Khajiit Dragonborn. Even though he grew up mostly outside of Elsweyr, he still feels a deep connection to them.
One thing I really love about Mephala is how she looks in her true female form as represented in Elder Scrolls Online: Summerset.
Me too. 100% 🔥🔥🔥
I always loved her. She is interesting and beautiful.
@@CoffeeSuccubus I never really thought about who my favorite Daedric Prince is out of the ones who represent themselves as a female. But I'd say either Mephala or Nocturnal easily.
Appearance wise both Prince and Realm, Mephala has that gothic look to her and I love that old Victorian Gothic look of sorts and the same goes for her realm. Nocturnal is sexy let's be honest, and her realm has this gloomy beauty to it which I loved during the Summerset Story.
But I'd say I favor Mephala more because she's got one over Nocturnal with her and her realm sorta remind me of the Contessa and Episode 5 in Sly 2 which are my favorite boss and location in the game. And Contessa is... a spider. Murderous, decietful, etc. Just like Mephala.
@@TheGravityShifter por que no los dos?
@@damipark6534 No habla Espanol, but I did translate via Google Translate. The reason is simple. My love for these two Daedra are not unconditional. I only like Nocturnal because she's sexy. I have more reasons to like Mephala more. Perfect Daedric Prince to follow if you're into the art of Murder. And I do like The Dark Brotherhood more than the Thieves Guild.
Behold! The Loremasters of Fudge have once again read from the Elder Scrolls. And once more have set events in motion....that result in me playing Skyrim until mods destroy my save file and I have to reinstall Skyrim and start fresh.
I made a graphic overhaul following a UA-cam video modlist and now I can only play 30-40 mins of Skyrim until me battery gets to like 20-30% and I have to turn off the game.
Granted, my recharger is ruined (own a laptop) but still...its what I got :)
When the Dread father made terrible love to the night mother, a 2020 love story.
It seems like there are some decent connections between khajiit lore and dunmer lore, wonder if there's something there...
they're the only ones who accept daedra worship
@@alienbastard55 also "sibling" deadra lords
@@alienbastard55 no so do the aldmeri elves the elves of clan derini.
There is also the reach man.
You guys could start another channel on historical mythology. Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Norse, Celtic, etc.... I would so follow that! That would be cool. .... or a Lovecraft or Dune channel. Your vids are great.
I would love to hear Drew talk about Lovecraft mythology
Hearing Drew go on for an hour about the works of Lovecraft is now something I very much need in my life.
Do sheogorath next. Make this a series. This was amazing.
You guys need to do a podcast on Akatosh and his different interpretations along with his connection to Lorkhan, like how some Shezzarine were also Dragonborn.
Just had a dream about Mephala coming to my room to speak to me last night. Did i just start a quest?
Depends, what did she say?
@@connorscott7659 Frankly, I don't remember. We'll see if she visits again
@@connorscott7659 i'll check my quest log or journal lmao
At least whoever visited you was honest about their deceitfulness. Just keep in mind that you are a human with human limitations.
@@Muykle Nope, we goin full god mode
Boethia was always my favorite but without a doubt Bethesda seems to have done a great job with in game lore being accurate enough yet simultaneously misinformation enough as to render all of the daedra (really the Aedra as well or for that matter all of the mythologies of Mundus) to be totally misunderstood.
Must make for a gold mine for you guys you have nearly infinite material for lore deep dives like these. Kind of makes me want to redo the library house build in Skyrim tbh
Since "Herma Mora" or "The Woodland Man" is one of Hermeus Mora's names, it makes sense that he would be somehow associated with a group called "The Foresters Guild".
1) I absolutely LOVE this video! Mephala is my favorite Prince due to her intriguing Sphere, and this video further confirms that. I feel like you could say she's the "Head" Daedra because of her contribution to civilization and involvement with fate, always being connected to events
2) 28:06 that Ordinator has achieved CHIM because he's vibing through floors! :O
Mephala and Nocturnal are my favorites so this was exciting for me!
These meta concepts are the best and not a hot take to say they have some credence, Its amazing how stories and songs can show 💫
I’m loving this content. Thank you guys so much. This is really helping me through some hard times. 🥰
Its funny how fantasy can be therapeutic. Sometimes it helps us better understand our shit but then again it may also be a plain and simple escape route. My parents' generation doesn't quite understand that
@@pedrokoury1352 yup
Honestly I find it really odd how Mephala and Azura can stand each other, let alone be allied.
Always appreciate it when it isn’t the guy who watched too many documentaries and drones on in similar fashion. I skip so many videos when he’s the narrator. Thanks for doing this one Scott.
Who?
Didn’t you make a video 2 years ago not to trust Mephala, and yet here you are defending her.
This is indeed the power of Mephala
Was going to sleep but this changed my mind
Thanks to a combination of interest in Skyrim Lore and Fudge Muppet's detailed vid essays I'm looked at as a master of TES
So THX Fudge Muppet
I think mephala has more things in common with jyggalag than other princes.
I mean they both are all about control.
Other through absolute order and other behind the scenes
Absolutely loved this. Definitely made me appreciate Mephala and their lore much more.
Excellent video! By the end, I started to perceive Mephala as the Daedric prince of politics: a messy, necessary world full of secrets and affairs (JFK comes to mind). This made it easier for me to understand Mephala as a keeper of civilisation for what use do the primitive, who live by the whims of nature, have of legislation and words?
I also couldn't help but to think about a possible rivalry between Mephala en Hermaeus Mora. One creates secrets, the other unfolds them. Anyway, those were my thoughts about Mephala...
Cool video but would love to see a podcast about the obscure lore CHIM, towers, C0da, Tiber Septim’s ascension to being a deity, the walking ways etc
I would gladly see you and other TES historians as an NPCs in newcoming TES. You doing great job extending hidden knowledge for us. Bethesda should be gratefull because with your next video my appreciation for Bethesda made lore is growing up. Thank you Loremaster Muppet.
When the KGB recruits Spider-Man.
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I really hope the next game expands the lore. Not only because it would make for an interesting game but because I love these videos
I'm kind of hoping one day we'll get Aedra quests, just like Daedric quests.
Wow, I just realized that I wasn’t subbed. I’m not sure if I accidentally unsubbed previously but I have been watching your channel for over a year and I love it!
Good! These poor guys deserve a million subs
I love the longer videos. Perfect length for workouts 🙂
I like that halfway through the video I'm like "By Talos, I know nothing of Tamrielic lore". Are you in the Imperial Library? You must be. I was studying the Dwemer in that website years ago and it was a very immersive experience. Either way, my point is...do you have a "basic lore" video I can go to? Either way, I'm going to have a very good time going through your lore videos. Thanks for the wonderful editing and voice over.
P.S.: If I could suggest any "improvements", it would be adding text to your videos whenever you're reading passages or quotes from official stuff. Since sometimes there is ALOT to absorb and many different names to remember, it might be interesting to have visual cues. I'm not a fellow content creator so I'm just speaking as a viewer! Thanks again.
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@@5oleid builds
The Difference in Secrets:
Mora keeps OBJECTIVE truths, never to be revealed unless you find out for yourself or make a deal.
Mephala keeps SUBJECTIVE opinions, which she reveals at her discretion for pleasure.
1:mephala gave me a sword
2: some how my friends keep getting stabbed in their backs
1. Thalmor said something to me
2. Some how they committed suicide with a sword imbedded into the back of their heads
With a 2-handed weapon at that (which is very hard to do stealth kills with).
Why kill your friends? Mephala just wants all the beggars dead.
Damn boy you went deep on this one. You're a poet like Vivec!
The importance of the number 8 and the eight-spoked wheel seem to be clear references to Buddhism, and Mephala in some ways seems very similar to the Hindu goddess Maya, who deceives people into believing material reality exists. It seems like Mephala is important for both maintaining the material world of Nirn through her carnal aspects while also revealing to her followers the path towards Chim, which is itself similar to Nirvana. This would make a great video essay...
(I’m not Hindu or Buddhist nor an expert in their theologies, so forgive me if my comparison is off)
The quote about gods hands and being armed head to toe in terror is my favorite quote in all of elder scrolls lore
Maphala was never my favorite, but she is the most endless potential content mine. Even more than the mystery of Nocturnal or the endless need for upheaval of Mehrunes Dagon. And no matter how much I like to explore Deadric Princes like Nameria or Malacath, you can't actually do a terrible amount with them to expand on their lore than already has been.
I’m pretty sure from hearing all of the lore and theories from you guys that Mephala is my favorite prince. Awesome video.
Loving both your videos and podcasts great for such times your videos and complex concepts compelled me to play morrowind.
i’ve been very curious about mephala and i’m glad you guys made a video abt them !
until i started watching these videos, i didn't realise how much influence Ludwig Feuerbach's and maybe even Stirner's writings have on elder scrolls lore
That first quote was so dam good
As above: "Brother-sister of hermaeus mora" "just say sibbling"
So below: "Whoever he or she may be" "just say they"
Great one guys, this is the Prince I wanted to learn about the most 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Something I think you should have touched on is Mephala's number 8, in a way, reflects infinity. Like a representation of an Ouroboros symbol.
Strange, the Ayleids supposedly were obsessed with the number 8. Could there be a connection between them and Mephala? Seems odd that there would be, given that they seemed to revere Meridia above all others, rather than Mephala.
Dunmer be like "yeah these are the three good daedra" and pick the god of murder and lies, then the god of murder and lies #2
It's fun to do a playthrough starting with the ebony blade, then do the brotherhood and/or thieves guild on mephala's behalf - making off with the sanctuary repair money or the skeleton key to screw your faction over in the end.
I like to imagine that in the case of the brotherhood, she would know they would be destroyed by their own actions, and even if they're her people, would see it almost like a fun prank. Or an eradication of something stiff and unimportant that she no longer needs.
And assuming you're not playing as the dragonborn - whether mephala is also cheating nocturnal out of the soul of a nightingale, or whether you the player are yourself being screwed and decieved into thinking you'll be safe from nocturnal is up to your own speculation.
I find it interesting how unique the Khajiti conceptions of the Gods are. I wonder who wrote all of that?
Feel like I’ve been watching fudge muppets elder scrolls for YEARS!! Keep up the good work ❤❤
Mephala being the Night Mother just fits her MO to a T.
Being married to "Sithis", the proto Lorkhan, fits her allyship and reverence to Lorkhan in Dunmer and Kajhiiti mythology.
Co opting symbols to have power over them which, if this theory is true, is basically what she's doing as the Night Mother.
Brings into question the nature of the Night Mother's prayers. Chances are not all prayers are relayed to the Listener but simply the ones that fit Mephala's design.
Also my head exploded around 24:00 It just slid out on the floor...
Good shit my man
The perfect thing for my day off
Just in time for my commute home... Thanks
Mephala does have similarities to Lolth as the Dunmer do have some resemblence to Drow.
Mephala be like "we live in a society "
8 is also Infinity turned sideways :)
Hence the number 8 being like a spiders web spun looking like it goes on forever.
How she got those titles
Dont think I didnt notice that sweet whiterun champion armor from the guard overhaul mod, I'm so glad it's on xbox SE
You know going back I'm less convinced that mephala is the nightmother, and more so namira. It's very likely, but the dark brotherhood is too lorkhan specific and the rites and general fashion of operation screams namira. Not saying boethiah isn't involved but this one feels like joint effort
I'm interested in the connection between mephala and malacath. I suppose that you cannot have outcasts if there is no agreed-upon order or Society to be cast out from. Great video!
When I heard that sexy voice. All my followers disappeared.
Came for Elder Scrolls lore, got interesting insights on the nature of real politics
The nature of mundus and the dream of the God head behooves the importance of who is writing the lore and the damage they do when they soften the edges, water down the venom, and devalue the septims with lead. Mephala knows this and seeks to protect her people from the milksop at Bethesda.
Mephala was already my favorite Daedric Prince. This video just made that choice indisputable. Now, about that 'god' thing with the Tribunal. False "gods" as they were not born with that power. I'll take Alduin because he is reel. And he ent Akatosh!
I somehow always find myself rewatching these videos every time I fire up a new LO
wow, this was amazing! Thank you for making these! :)
I am thrown every time I hear "zero sum" used to describe "yeeting oneself out of existence." I keep thinking of it in terms of "the gains of one side are directly exponential to the losses of the other side." It's taking me time to adjust to the revised 2021 definition. It happened so quickly.
8 is the number of Mephala.
8 is the number of bits in a byte, which is the fundamental storage unit of computers. Multiplying that by 2 gives you 16, the number of bits in a short. Continuing the pattern you then have 32 bits, integer and float; 64 bits, double and long;
128 bits; 256 bits; 512 bits... All multiplies of 8.
Therefore, since 8 is Mephala's number, and computing make frequent use of bits in various multiples of 8, computers are secretly machinations of Mephala.
Was time I was early, Vivec’s muatra wasn’t flaccid.
Keep up the great content, guys! Looking forward to the CyberPunk content as well!
Why would Mephala want to "trick" the Morag Tong into worshiping Sithis over her when this would significantly weaken her? I get she's the Daedric Prince of secrets, but this makes her seem more like a stupid, unthinking animal that can only act in her domain, even if it's self destructive? Not to mention, the various examples of Sithis showing his influence and Lucien acknowledging the void's existence.
Ah yeah! Daedra lore time! Gods be praised!
Every time Eorlund Gray-Mane says that (Gods be praised) I instantly hear "Goths be praised". It is the Nordic accent. It makes me wanna start a "gothic" build tho lol
Mephala lore has drawn alot of inspiration from the astrological sign Scorpio, after all astrology is really a thousands of years old collection of archetypes.
Yeesh, these Daedra and Aedra needs to lighten up~
Those spokes of the Spiral Skein seem as if they are each associated with different Daedric princes, pointing toward connections with others' realms. Most curious.
Mephalas voice in skyrim is hot
Wait, I thought Triniamac was eaten by Boethiah then became Malacath?
Yeah at least that is how the legend goes. Probably figuratively. Hmmm... I was just thinking of going back to bring Trinimac to the future to meet Malacath so I can merge them into a Trinicath or better yet a Malamac. The last one made me hungry... Admit it you want a big Malamac 🍔 with cheese 🧀 and fries 🍟
@@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675 Thank you M'Lord for clearing that up
@@sisterofslaanesh666 Any time. Time... Time for cheese?
@@sheogoraththedaedricprince9675 I love cheese, especially when it talks... and walks
@@sisterofslaanesh666 HA HA! Time for some poor pitiful mortal to become said cheese!
Neat analysis! (Even if I still don't like Mephala that much.)
Thanks for uploading!
Dude I gotta say, you explained khim better in this video than you did in the video about it... or at least I think it was your video lol. Anyway I finally get it! Thanks!
Chim
i see Scott's been reading some Mark Fisher (cue, 20:39)
Not gonna lie, this just toppled Azura's spot as my favourite
Hail the Webspinner, but do so in secret.
Fudgemuppet is literally the new Tribunal
Drew is Vivec
Michael is Sotha Sil
Scott is Almalexia
After reading platos allegory of the cave maphala came to mind. The idea of our reality and society being made up of a lie, just shadows on a back wall to keep us preoccupied, its presented by both maphala and plato. She is the deadric god of lies, secrets, murder and sex but understanding her can come with a lot of truth. It's really interesting the comment of a web being both a tool and a trap because by understanding it you can pull the strings and use that lie to your advantage.
So interesting making connections like that