Ping G430 v Ping G425 with STATS!
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2023
- Today I test the NEW PING G430 driver against its predecessor the PING G425 driver. Which is the most forgiving driver for mid to high handicappers?
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I actully loves the sound in the Ping g425. It gives that extra feeling when you smash the driver miles!
One of the rare ones.
Thanks for the comparison video. I have the 425 Max, and I do accept the sound was off-putting at first, but I've got used to it. I'm so pleased with the club and very rarely miss a fairway with it. I'm a big Ping fan and also have the 425 3 and 4 woods. Thanks again for the info.
I play a Ping G425 SFT driver and have no problem with the sound. In fact, there have been a number of guys who I have played with and commented that they like the sound of it.
I’m not sure there is such a lot of criticism of sound of ping G425 I own one and absolutely love it’s forgiveness and tbh love the sound … it’s a great club and I prefer it to callaway and Taylormade drivers of a similar age
All that matters is your opinion Ivan 👍
The noise is significant on the g425, but if the results are great I don't mind the noise or looks. Results are what matters
@@markpilutti4532so I know a number of my friends have the 425 and actually on the course it’s not as load as made out on social media but as for forgiveness it’s significantly better than it’s counterparts and yes it’s individual choices i accept
Is the sound a driver makes really an issue?
@@albelford8499 I have an old ping g ls tec and it's a louder driver, but I get some great forgiveness and results without spending $600+
I was the same for my first couple of shots re the sound on the g425 but after that first few it was something I got over. Sounds loads worse in a range bay as well, totally different on the course for me. I upgraded from a g30 and was noticeably more forgiving for me. Enjoy the videos Andy, keep up the good work 👍
Thank you so much you really helped me out. I literally have been up late now for 4 hours after my first ever driver fitting trying to decide if I'm going to go with the amazing G430 set up I swung today, or my original plan of the G425 with similar low/low stiff shaft for under $400. I really liked the G430, however it's a bit steep in price and I only budgeted $400 for a driver as a young father with so many priorities I really am stressing the decision, I don't like spending this much on a hobby for myself but this has been a long time in the making (I've used the same Ben Hogan Driver and shaft for 14 years now as a 4-8 handicap, avg 280-290yd. with it) BUT after this I feel like I'm going to just go for it one time and get the G430! THANKS
I just got a 425 and love the sound and the feel. My friend loved it as well so I'm not sure why people hate the sound so much, it's really not as loud as people say.
I have and love the g425. If it was up to me it would be LOUDER !!
Great video Andy. I’d be curious to see how you do with this in the 9 degree head. Also, have you tested the LST version? I tested both last weekend and it too seemed pretty forgiving. The fitter seemed to feel it wasn’t a huge difference in my results, but I honestly don’t think I’m quite up to it. Thanks!
Composites, manufacturing advances and shaft technologies have really advanced drivers and fairways recently. Good stuff.
A reassuring vlog as I just committed to G430 max, I was fitted for a G425 LST two years ago but never felt good enough to avoid the mis hits and subsequent drop short shots.
I absolutely love the sound of the G425.
Interesting video. I’m considering changing my driver to gain a bit more consistency and the distance/consistency of the Ping is worth considering
Hey And. I'd love to see a table of your dry-ball data from all the drivers you have tested, along with shaft and setting details. Your swing speed and strike consistency are pretty representative of many of us fellow average golfers so it would be interesting to see which drivers were longer, lower spinning, higher launching, tighter dispersion, or whatever characteristic we are looking for. I know different days produce different swings and you didn't use the same shaft or settings each time but we're an educated lot and can perform some critical analysis of the data 😉
I have the G410 Max and my launch numbers are pretty much spot on with your G425 Andy. Even at 9 degrees I found the launch was sky high and would get killed into the wind, so I knocked the loft down 1.5 {opening the face) and put the weight to the toe. Now medium flight 2100 spin bullets... but really curious to get G430 into the hitting bay and see if I can squeeze those 7.
Great Video. I think you used the cb black shaft? What was the flex on that? Thank you
Great video Andy, thanks. It would be interesting to see you fitted into the G430 since there is potential for more distance and forgiveness and in your current Stealth you have talked a lot about the special shaft and its impact on performance. I’m G425 and can’t justify a change, I’m used to the sound and it really works for me.
I was fit with Ping when G400max came out and the CB Alta shaft was best performing but I feel there is more in this club with a different shaft and the 9 degree head, launches too high
Looking at your dry-ball stats, how do you define the ‚Decent angle‘?
Super video Andy I got fitted for the g430 at 9 degrees which shocked me but the ball flight spin and the big one for me fairways hit was the clear winner against all the other top drivers and of course that sound of the 425 🙈👍
Yes I need to test the 9 head which would make a big difference for me I feel, enjoy your new driver!
I apologize if this has been covered and I missed it but I would love to see what an average golfer should expect out of a driving iron. Maybe different brands/types. And maybe driving iron vs regular long iron.
I bought the g430 lst and was playing the g425 lst both at 9*. For some reason the g430 is more forgiving for me. Same distance better sound and now I don’t leave it out to the right S much
Andy It would be good to know what ball you are you using on each test , The spin loft window is key , I see a ball being fit to the driver being a factor if you get on or not with or not long term.
Hi Andy I have the 425 but being fit for the 430 on Friday 🤞🤞. What make is that top your wearing I like the look of it. 👍.
I have a 9 deg lst and love it. The performance and forgiveness is tops. The sound is fine. And looks great. I don’t know if the gains could be worth a change and the lst version has that extra carbon line across the top. Reviewers seem to be missing. The extra it gave me was way above any other brand. Thanks for the comparison
Before using the Ping were u considered a consistent down the middle of the fairway driver. Just wondering how much it helped you in the consistency area as compared to whatever you used before.
I have been playing the 410 for several years now and could not tolerate the 425 sound at impact. I have recently tried the 430 on the range with the different shafts and am very pleased with the upgrades and sound! I am certainly going to order a 430 in the 10.5 head but need to get some more time with the different shaft options and see which fits best for my swing and club head speed in the upper 90's to 100mph. Thanks again and cheers.
Last week snapped the alta cb 55g stiff, after 2 months and +1500 swings (I stopped playing for about a year and was fitted knowing I would get back in shape) under warranty i just for the tour 2.0 65 xstiff. Snapped on my follow through just below the grip.
Picked up the G430 Max with the Tour Chrome 2.0 shaft this year coming off a lifelong Taylormade run. Will never be going back. The PING is sooooo forgiving. Hit 50 +\- drives so far with it and have yet to hit a really bad one. The Taylormade clubs looks cool but they really punish you on mis hits.
I am always amazed how much of a deal reviewers care about the sound...I could are less. Love my Ping GS425, and sound had nothing to do with my decision to use
Ping made huge efforts to change it, so they recognised the issue not reviewers 👍
I think PING has made a significant step forward with their new G430 Drivers, lookswise, soundwise and performance-wise compared to the previous model.
Looking at your numbers, I suspect that moving to the 9deg head with the sleeve moved up one click (slightly closing the face) will get you in your optimum launch window. I'm looking forward to comparing my GEN2 with the G430 to see if I can justify raiding my Piggy Bank👍👍
Andy - do you still use the Jumbo grip on your driver? Was just watching your old videos and was curious if you have fully changed to that grip style based on those results(you were getting 250 carry!), plus if you use that grip style when testing new drivers. I'm certain when people get fit for drivers they are not always using the same grips and that grip video certainly demonstrates it can create a difference.
Thanks brother! I went and tested the two drivers in 9 degrees. The 425 had the tensei shaft while the 430 had the Alta. I went with the 425 ($150 cheaper). Shaft I believe makes the difference in these two clubs.
I love that shotgun pop I get when I smash my 425!!! Thanks for the video
Good man, enjoy and your right, the correct shaft is hugely important
Hit my G430 for the first time last night at the range. The sound and feel is 100x better than the G425.
Carry is bit lower than your Mizuno ST220, is it just because a different day?
i would like to see videos like the ones you made in the beginning. We need numbers. I also liked it when you had 4 or 5 average golfers testing equipment.
Do you warm up before you compare clubs? If not the comparison could be skewed to the second club once your body gets loosened up.
G425 max in the bag for about a year and 2 months. Yes it’s loud and I to tend to fade or push as a right hand golfer. I’m going to replace the OEM 26 gram weight with 20 and see what happens. Shaft is a Ventus TR blue 6s. Swing speed at that crazy point from 93 to 96 mph. God I hope this straightens me out.
Great video. I wanted to get the 425 but the sound kept me from pulling the trigger. It was like watching paint dry waiting for the replacement but glad they addressed the sound. More yards is a bonus. I do have a request for a video. Would like to see how the Max reacts to the adjustments of the head and shaft with someone who has an average golfer swing. Maybe a little pun intended. Keep up the good content. Thanks
This fellow is average in my books especially compared to many other reviewers out on youtube that hit the ball in the high 200's or 300 yeards
I’d like to see you test the G430 driver with different shaft options & degrees of stiffness, I got fitted with a tour stiff 65/for my G425 & reckon its too stiff for me... I’m 58
Great video! I'd love to see the TSR drivers and fairway woods released last fall included in some of your comparison videos this winter and spring, if possible. I think a lot of people might be deciding between the TSR2 and G430 Max drivers and fairway woods, for example. That'd be my request.
I will do my best, never mr had access before but hopefully the new partnership with HotGolf can make these things happen
@@TheAverageGolfer That'd be a great way to leverage the new deal! I'm disappointed to hear that about Titleist -- they are really missing out on reaching an important voice and audience if they aren't getting product into your hands to review.
@@ericbradner6986 yep never had any real access to their product
Having been fit for the g425 last season I don’t notice the sound now that everyone moans about what I do like is the fairways Ime finding now consistently , the shaft was a big contribution to that and my pro just let me play the demo with different shafts ,my previous driver was my weakness according to the Arccos app now it’s my best club a massive turnaround love it
Great video as ever would love to see g430 9 wood v g430 hybrid
Ok 👍 like that
Great video again 👍love the channel 😃 would love to see your gamer stealth v g430 max
Thanks 🙏 posted that review last week Lucy
You hit those 3 drives with the G430 EXACTLY on the same lines, in the same order, as you hit the 425.
If that was intentional, I am very impressed
The sound is always exaggerated indoors or in a studio. Outside it’s 80% less noticeable. I dont notice my 425 lst being “loud”. What i notice is the variance in sound based on low in the head vs high in the head strikes. Low strikes sound nicer - more metallic. Higher strikes sound like pvc pipe
I don't mean to go off track Andy but I had the G425 LST and Titleist TSi3 and sold them both after trying the Tour Edge C721. It's still in the bag and is much more forgiving than the Ping or Titleist and surprisingly a good 400rpm less spin (2200 vs 2600) with the same shaft. I know Tour Edge isn't as popular in the UK but it would be awesome to see you test the C722 or C723 when it's released soon.
Does the T/E have a good thud or a tinny note/noise?
@@SteveSmith-zz4ih Great sound! Very similar to the TSi3.
looking forward to your comparison between the 425 max 430 max and 430 max 10K !
Honestly...who cares about sound? Especially when outside. If anything, that is a plus. Thanks for the video. I do appreciate the opinion and review! Good stuff.
The simple answer is….lots of golfers, if they didn’t brands would not spend millions trying to improve acoustics 👍
Great comparison video brother. I have noticed, and it may just be me. But the more "muted" these drivers are getting I feel like when you hit them they give you a numb feeling? Like you can't tell if you hit the center or toe or heel. Especially like with the new Callaway driver..... maybe it is just me since I am a feel player???? Am I wrong?
For me feel is a big deal, whether it’s irons, woods or putter. I want a balance between soft ish feel and still feel like the face is hot. So it’s a balance and drivers is the toughest to do both
@@TheAverageGolfer
I agree with you 💯 sir.
I love the explosion sound of the Ping drivers. Ping has a huge loyal following. I doubt they care very much about the sound.
Used my new G430 max for 2 rounds. More forgiving and longer than my trusty G410 plus 👌
Did you keep the same loft between the two clubs or did you deloft with your new G430 i.e go from a 10.5 to a 9 degree with the new one? I have the 410 Plus and considering if upgrade is warranted.
at the beginning of the video when you put the 430 head on the same shaft you had on the 425 that was the 2023 Alta CB black (The shaft off the newer driver)
It was the shaft of the 425 to just see what the sound difference was but honestly it made no sense to do that. In his tests for performance he did use the shafts that came with the drivers. 425 shaft with 425 and 430 shaft with the 430
Nice review, the main difference appears to be the sound has improved.
It certainly is improved
Solid review. What about ping i230 Vs Mizuno JPX923 Vs Srixon zx5
ZX5 review is next week and then we could look at the h2h
I have both Ping G425 Max and SFT and cannot understand the continual carry on about sound. Does not bother me in the least nor does it seem to bother my playing partners.
Hey, I thought you were as consistent as a robot until I saw up in the corner that you took 55 shots. More human. Now I feel better. LOL. And the landing angle is quite good, you could say it is decent, but wouldn't you prefer a descent angle? Couldn't resist. At least you know I watch your videos carefully, always. By the way, speaking of noisy drivers, remember the old Nike Sasquatch. I used to compare the sound to taking an aluminum softball bat and striking it against an iron pipe handbar on playground steps. The noise was so bad it would hurt your ears and drive you to the other end of the practice range.
Hi Andy.
Will you be reviewing the new Wilson and Mizuno Drivers soon?
Mizuno driver was reviewed over a week ago 👍 Wilson don’t send UA-camrs samples, only send to mainstream media (magazines)
@@TheAverageGolfer Thanks Andy I will check the Mizuno Video now.
Please do Ping G430 irons vs Taylormade Stealth HD irons!! Super forgiving sets with lots of umph and spin and accuracy. I cant decide!
Yep I can do that
I would like to see you dry ball data for all the new drivers for a comparison, and include the new mizuno and Wilson’s. The issue might be matching shafts. Can you put the Alta’s in the other drivers.It’s a given that in all cases you need to optimism shafts for any driver .
Unfortunately all have different adaptors so a very difficult task
@@TheAverageGolfer 😔
Good to see a comparison by a golfer who is closer to tge average. Videos by golf pros don't help very much. Do you have any data on dispersion? I would willingly sacrifice a few yards distance for a straighter ball.
Andy, if you had the 425 in your bag already would you upgrade to the 430?
Probably not, if the sound isnt an issue, and I know it doesnt both most, then I dont think the gains are enough
What was the shaft specs again in both you tested?
Alta CB 55
@@TheAverageGolfer CB shafts give you loads of options to tweak. You can make the shaft longer to increase ball speed or add weight to the head which will increase ball speed. Counterbalanced shafts are my next move. It allows options if the fit isn't perfect out of the gate.
Excellent. Picking up my driver and 3 wood tomorrow.......😉😋
Sure you will love them Ian
I was surprised you mentioned the sound of the G425 lineup because in the woods video you never mentioned it?
Great video and comparison Andy. I have the 425 3 and 5 woods. Couldn’t get over the sound the 425 driver made though so went down the Stealth route for a driver. The 430 seems much better. I was so hoping they would do away with the turbulators in the 430, makes the head look way too busy for me. Great video 👍
Agree on the turbulators would have preferred a plain crown, the fairways and hybrids look superb
I game the 425 Max and love it. The Sound is what it is. Personally I don’t like the look/graphics of the 430 and would choose 425 every time.
I think Ping produce some of the best clubheads but their shaft selection is easily the worst of all manufacturers. So I have put a Ad-DI 6S cut to 45” total playing length (and spined by a professional club builder) and it’s an absolute rocket launcher yet to be beat by anything else i have tried with the same shaft (Rogue Max and TSI2).
Extremely informative Andy, the new Mizuno drivers getting great press here in the states. Any chance you can compare last year's Mizuno to this year's model. Thanks
Smash that like button 👇
3 wood and hybrid comparison with the g425 and g430 would be great.
Yeah I can do that
love you videos. would love to give a dollar amount to your new project but know how.
Other than the complaining about the sound of each club, its a good review. Some people like the sound. Sound doesn’t matter to me or anyone I know.
If you had ever hit the old Nike square back in the day on a golf course you'd probably retract that statement it was horrible sounding.
I had the 425 LST and have just swapped to a new 430 MAX... your intro (and rant) about the sound of the 425 always makes me laugh... I could not care less about the noise a club makes and neither does anyone I have ever played with... it is all about performance... sound is about as relevant as the colour of the shaft or the quality of the head cover stitching. I have heard this from the so called experts since 425 was released and we are now hearing from these same experts the 430 is 'fixed' because it sounds different. Crazy... both are awesome and the best driver on the market for club golfers.
Yep. Dozens of guys at my club play these drivers and I've never heard anyone say a word about the sound. It really seems to aggravate this guy for some reason. So much so he's saying the clubs are "flawed"?
Jesus, Mary and Joseph and a wee donkey!
Thank you for that phrase Andy, I laughed some much I ended up snorting my coffee.
I have a G425 5w and it sure is LOUD.
TBH Ping has not been trying to make the longest driver but they sure make one of the most playable by us average golfers.
Apologies on the coffee incident, Pings emphasis on forgiveness is recognised throughout this line up and as you say very playable
Andy. Please can we have G430 v Paradym?
Absolutely 👍
With all of your clubs do you see a difference with a glove or without a glove???
Not a difference as such but it’s like any habit when you try to stop it’s a bit weird
@@TheAverageGolfer I was wondering. I can't wear a glove, some chemical on the strap reacts with my skin and blisters. weird...
Put a UST Proforce 65 stiff 2.x torque in all the high flyers 10.5 degree drivers, and they become medium powerful flight. Problem is not many can hit the low torque shafts so the manufacturers put in 5 torque shafts for the masses, but they don't work well.
I use the Proforce shaft in my current driver but it is the 55 reg
@@TheAverageGolfer The UST Proforce 65 or 75 is also an awesome shaft if Reg flex. They completely change the ball flight. I've not tried the 55 gram, but I'd imagine it's a nice shaft.
@@tomb9658 for me it’s far more stable than other shafts
I get myself a new driver every 7-8 years and this is one of those years. I don’t want to spend $550 on G430 when the G425 is $350. Is the sound and six yards worth $200?
To each their own and being you wait 7 years between changes I guess Id have to ask would $200 over 7 years be asking too much in comparison to all the other costs you will see over those 7 years :) If you can do it I say go for the 430 :) p.s. I'm in the same boat and already have justified the extra cost to buy the newer one. But I'm waiting till the spring to see if there is a bit of a better prices somewhere
@@vroomgc I think you’re right. I’ll probably lean toward the 430
G430 Max is the straightest and most consistent driver I have ever played. I am selling the G425 MAX
Thanks for some feedback having tired it
I like the pings tighter dispersion, but the spin is a little too high.
With spin you get consistancy.. so its a trade off. YOu can buy the g430 lst for less spin but not as much forgiveness
If it means anything to you And, these are pretty much exactly the same as my findings. 🤔
Love to have feedback from someone who has tried, so yes means a lot to get your input
must be the trend to complain about the sound because everyone does.. its a good driver and i never minded the sound i dont really pay much attention to it honestly .. to each their own i suppose then again i use the TSR3 the only time i notice sound is when i dont hit it flush
I don’t understand how you can have faster ball speeds when the R&A rules say the maximum speeds have already reached ?
Is ball speed the only parameter that produces distance?
I do not care in the least how it sounds. I look for length and straightness of my drives.
I absolutely LOVE the sound of the G425.... Its like a .410 shotgun went off.
Probably wouldn't bother me i cant hear anyway
430 currently the only driver that there seems to be different from last year admittedly it’s the sound 😁
But it also seems to be the most forgiving /not the longest across UA-camrs videos
Yep I’d agree with that
Very interesting analysis Andy. So I guess, Ping is right to claim that their new club should increase the carry distance by about 7 yards (6 yards being close enough). Usually these kinds of claims by manufacturers are exagerated.
In this test it was I suppose but for me the gains are more across the board in terms of data
@@TheAverageGolfer Indeed, lower spin rate, lower launch angle, increased ball speed, lower peak high, etc. These all go in the right direction and with a better sound as premium.
The sound , 😖
Please show dispersion, its way more important then 2 differnet clubs only 3-5 yards apart
They are both extremely forgiving clubs so in another video I watched it showed they were very similar in that respect. Ping has managed to get a few more yards out of this newer version and dampen the sound a bit
Fastest ball speed driver for you
I truly do not understand how sound effect results. If it works, I don't care what is sound like:)
Then you don’t need to worry but for the record nobody said the sound affects results 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer Love your reviews and I didn't mean to offend. I know some people are more affected by sound than others. I'm just trying to keep it in play:)
@@jmass1727 no offence at all and I fully understand what you are saying 👍
I wud love to afford the g425 never mind the g430 I am on holiday in fuerteventura and the wife is like why u on utube opps I am watching andy bbe remember the one I shouted hello to from the balcony in carden Park on our anniversary she said I got more time for u andy than her lol opps
I wud love u to do a review or even play with u at my home curse at the plassey andy
Please apologise to your wife on my behalf Kevin 😂
she laughed andy
It doesn’t matter if the stats are the same…. The G425 was the worst sounding golf club ever made. The 430 is finally now on par with everyone else in terms of feel/ sound.
Why didn't you adjust the settings to back up what you were saying about the optimum set for you. Takes all of 2 min. Would have good to see dispersion comparison. Very weak review. Sorry.
Love video but don't like the ping driver sounds like a frying pan
😂 fry’s great eggs though
If it flies straight , I will ride your donkey!
Who cares about the sound if the thing goes far and straight.
Lots of golfers including Ping themselves who went to huge efforts to change the sound, if it wasn’t an issue why would they bother? Also read the comments, lots reference the horrific sound of the G425
i mean who cares what it looks and sounds like
The noise of the 425 is an entirely subjective view. It isn’t a major problem and only gets whined about by a few UA-cam reviewers. I’ve never heard any club players moan about it being too loud. I reckon UA-cam reviewers jump on the bandwagon re perceived loudness because Peter Finch said it is.