What nobody told you - Ping G430 10K driver
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Thanks! I gotta say, I love the approach, pacing and delivery of your vids. Apart from that, I may be in the market for a driver. At least, I’m planning to see if I can improve the fit of my current driver. I’m not planning to get the latest and greatest, but I’m glad to hear confirmation that I’m not missing much.
I have watched a lot of golf channels over the years and I really enjoy the content you are creating for us average golfers, it is really great, thank you!
Thanks Andy. This is the video I was waiting for. I’m keeping my G430 MAX in the bag for a while. In fact, I still can’t part with my G400 MAX either! Your video is more of a tribute to the consistency of the brand. Much appreciated! ⛳️👍
Hey beginner golfer here would you start with the g400 or the 425 max or go straight to the 10k I need help with slicing
Andy.
Great , honest video my friend. This is why i keep supporting you my friend…..no BS. Can I be honest with you and your viewers. I accomplished the same forgiveness and distance and accuracy with the G430 max at 12 degree, cut to 44.5” shaft …..with a Regular 50 gram KBS TD driver shaft. You don’t need to get new equipment to get the same results. Cut down your shafts a bit, do a higher loft head and it calms down spin numbers and it makes you hit the center of the face more. You can do it with any driver you play. Just saying.
Keep up the great work brother.
Jay.
Great feedback Jay and valid points
Great video Andy, I wonder if you could do a similar short video adding the G425 Max into the mix aswell.
Good stuff..thanks for the comparison. All these launches seem to really make custom fitting more needed than ever...with all these drivers with fine tuned differences, it's so easy to find how different they may treat you differently, especially now that prices have surpassed cc's 😂
Good honest review. At the end of the day strike is king. A great swing on an older cheaper club will always outperform a poor swing on the latest and most expensive club.
Also the Ping G400 was an extremely forgiving driver as well.
I’m approaching 80 years this year, and opted last year for the Ping 430 Max in the HL configuration meaning, a longer lighter weight shaft (35g), light grip, and 11g backweight. If this model hits the 10k mark, I don’t see a compelling reason to go for the new 10k model. This was confirmed at a recent comparative fitting session. The results were the same. I like the backweight adjustability and the ability to change the weight if the package is playing too light, or moving from fade to draw. The fitting was interesting especially trying an inch shorter shaft, higher loft, and the flat position on the shaft in the 10k. As Andy says, get fitted. My suspicion is that now that Ping has optimized MOI at 10k and owns the forgiveness space, the next release will be a bomber…Another stellar post Andy.
Makes sense and thanks for your important feedback
Love your honest reviews Andy. I definitely take more notice of your opinion than other channels that are just there to plug product.
Hi Andy, just got fitted for a G430 max and tried it alongside the 10k and it performed better for me. Great video as always. 🤙
Great and honest assessment that we have come to expect from you Andy.
I'm gaming the G430 Max and this video helps calm the "I need the latest and greatest" urge in me. Thanks for demonstrating that frequently the major brands announce "amazing advancements" simply to refresh their offering and hopefully sell more clubs.
Yes I think you can sit tight
I was in the same boat but was in waiting on Andy’s review because he has a similar swing speed as me, most the reviewers have 100+ club speed and someone with 90+ won’t see much gain with most Drivers. Getting fit and the right shaft is the way to go.
@@dandumm4319 spot on 👍
I’ve got the G425 and definitely want the new model 🤣
The Max and Max 10k are for different golfers. If you fit the Max, it's a great driver, keep it. The 10k is better for faster swingers, and is providing extreme stability with lower spin, something not really available. It legitimately is something of a Unicorn for fast (110+) swings. Go try it, just don't buy it unseen, but it really does offer something new for the right player.
No offense, but I don't see Andy as being the fit for this, he's more of a standard Max guy. PING don't normally offer things randomly, this is an extension to the G430 line, not a Max replacement. Different clubs, and very different from G400 Max and G425 Max, mostly in spin profile.
Must admit i use the 425 Max and did not know about the 10k promotion . But as we all know its the driver driving the driver that makes the difference, ill be sticking with 425 and having a lesson or two with the money saved. Great video again Andy.
I don't know how much you pay your lessons, but I could do 30, with the money saved... And they'd surely improve my swing more.
I didn't golf much from 2005-2020 and when I got back into the game, I took a year or so to check out the advances from my 25 year old clubs and getting some fittings from the various brands. I retired my Big Bertha Warbird and got the G425 when it first went on sale for $399 usd. I'm loving my G425 (including the sound), no need to go chasing the latest and "greatest". I'm sure I'll have many years of driving enjoyment with the G425. Excellent video!
Finally, an honest review, thanks. And I’ve been saying this for the last year, the headcovers need some serious attention! Thanks Andy.
Andy, I really appreciate your reviews of these new drivers (clubs) because the average Joe can truley relate. My club head speed is really similar to yours so I can learn a lot from your content. Most of these othere guys are at 110 mph or higher so we as average guys cant relate. I did see that Peter Finch has put the 10k Ping in his bag for this year. He said it was a low spin rocket launcher that had all the control he needed as well. Maybe they missed the mark for us average guys and found the market it may need to be in. Once again thanks for what you do pal and keep it up.
I think you can increase the spin with the right loft and shaft. It's not Paradym Triple Diamond territory of low spin. I played a TSr3 9 degree before, now Ping 10K at 7.5.
Great review I have a g430 and I can't believe they have up dated it so soon there is obviously very little difference if any between the 2 and you are so right about the head cover I have just noticed that I have marks on the shift of my driver already so not very happy
Here's a controversial hot-sports opinion...I think the shaft weight, length (shorter usually) flex, flex-point, etc. is more important than the head design (don't misinterpret, the head design is important!). Get a shaft that fits you.
Most might benefit from a shorter and heavier--yes, heavier!--shaft to more consistently deliver the clubhead to the ball. It's far more important to hit the club in the sweet spot...then the MOI doesn't matter nearly as much. Could be one (of many) reasons most of us hit 3-woods (or even 5-woods) better than drivers.
I have the G430 Max 10k with senior flex shaft and love it. I’m hitting more fairways and hitting further than any driver I’ve ever own. I have confidence when I step onto the tee box again :)
The new 10K model is head and shoulders above the 430 max, and the difference is well worth upgrading. The 10k is not only more forgiving but produces less spin and 10-12 yards longer for this 4 handicapper.
Great video and how refreshing to get an honest opinion from a good (not pro) golfer. More of this please. One question - what’s the MOI on the regular G430 Max / cannot seem to find that anywhere!
Thanks Andy! I have the Max version and like the moveable weight. I’m good staying where I’m at.
This is the model I’ve decided on to replace my EPIC max. I have the weight toward the fade side as I tend to draw the ball.
Just got fitted and bought the G430 max and was nervous I’d jumped the gun but this review has me breathing easy again 😂 thank you!
Very honest review. Thank you. It's definitely more about the swing than the club. Any of the last 4 generations of Ping drivers are very good. Prices are getting a little silly.
A LITTLE silly? That's a candidate for understatement of the year.
Well presented Andy 👏 the other main reviews are raving about it & going straight in their bag but we do not play the same game. I have the G425 , tried the 430 last year & did not like it. The bigger head on this 10k looks more appealing but not a reason to upgrade at this price. Congratulations on being honest, as mentioned in other posts thats why your reviews are valued in considering any equipment change.
Yes I was aware of the positive reviews but I just don’t see a huge leap
Manufacturers really have a problem given size and moi restrictions. The blurbs they come out with are really quite funny. I play Titleist clubs which at least, in general, come out every 2 years. I buy every 2nd model so every 4 years and even then 1 year after release. I am fortunate that it is not to do with cost, simply there is no need to do otherwise.
I am so glad you are discussing the previous model reaching 10k because no one else reviewing the driving is doing that
Yes it’s been widely overlooked
100% agree. For the average golfer, the quality of your swing is going to impact 95% of the results if not more. I ordered the 10K because I did not have the G430Max (had been looking for a while), but if I did, I would not upgrade.
You have a good driver on order 👍
i'll be honest i swung the 430 Max, LST, and the 10K and i'm not leaving my G425 for either... there wasn't enough there for me to drop $600 bucks for the same performance... right now, i have my G425 dialed in to find most fairways and good distance without an issue... and all three of the G430's were putting right back to slice city which i am not doing at all... great video and review as always...
love it that you have medium swing speed like many of us have. the test is normally done with redicolus high swing speeds.
Andy great honest video. I game the G430 max and tried the 10k , would be difficult to justify changing, for the costs involved.
I've been sharing that G425max image from their website as often as possible. So happy you found it too!
Yes they should delete it 😂
@@TheAverageGolfer ESPECIALLY since, as a ping fan who currently plays a G425 max, I was going to go for a fitting to try it out, but did a quick look at their site first. If the main claim is 10k MOI, and mine is at least already close, then it just boils down to I can't put my weight plug in the heel like I currently have it.
I bought a new G 425 Max just recently. Not convinced the two latest ones will serve me any better. Deep discounts on the G 425's now.
One of your best videos bud just one a question you play the mini driver where would you rate that with this would be nice video as I have mini but thinking of buying 430 is it worth the extra club cheers and keep up xthe good work
love the sarcasm at the beginning 😅. how much can a club actually do compared to a golf lesson? would the normal golfer see more benefit from a lesson or two compared to a new expensive forgiving driver?
Interesting points Andy! Thanks
Good review. hope to see more of your testing the tips channel
Great video - thanks for your honest review (just subscribed)!
Excellent review!!!!! Thank you for this.
I currently game the G430 Max with a custom shaft that came by way of a high quality PING approved fitting experience. I looped back to my fitter when the G430 10K became available to give it a test--just in case a benefit existed. There were differences but not any that benefitted me and the state of my game. First and foremost, the G430 10K had slightly higher spin at the same stated loft than my G430 Max and a little less in overall ball speed and distance but nothing significant even with my custom shaft installed. The G430 10K did perform slightly better on high toe strikes and I was able to hit more consistent high cuts but the differences were very small and surely not ground breaking. Besides, I thought the G430 10K delivered a little more impact sound. The overall results of my test was: I am sticking with my G430 Max as is, thank you.
That’s great to get some real feedback from your testing, thanks for getting involved 🙏
You are welcome! Keep in mind that I didn't have it on the course and only hit balls in a simulator. On course testing might have revealed larger variations. Who knows?
Great review Andy, so based on your assessment, other than sound, would you say there is a marginal difference between the G425 and the G430 as far as raw performance goes in the hands of an average golfer?
I think the reason for the fixed weight is that it has to be in that position to achieve the 10k moi. Forgiveness improvements can only really be realized over a season or more of play. It's statistically tiny and can't be seen in a few swings.
It also has to remain at the whopping 28g. If you swap it out for a lighter weight, you reduce the MOI below the claimed 10k, and hence the 'forgiveness'. It certainly won't be a fitter's best friend.
Great review Andy, thanks
I was convinced at the head cover👎.
Good review Andy!!!
Another great honest review And. Have you thought about asking Lewis to try and alter strike and force some toe and heel strikes with both heads to see whether or not one performs better than the other. I realise that us mere mortals will do that anyway when you capture enough Data but just a thought 🤔😬
My data is full of that information 😂😂 yes it is a good idea 👍
Great video! Did you end up trying different shafts/loft combos with the 10K? When I did my fitting I was seeing consistently more distance with the 10K vs my fitted G425 (232 vs 245yd carry) and then also between the shafts (242 in Alta CB vs 245 in Tour Black). My dispersion was notably tighter with the 10K and the biggest thing for me was zero right misses with the Tour Black.
What is your handicap?
Handicap is 15@@schlosser2010 but according to Arccos my driving handicap is an 10.
You don’t swing fast enough to truly benefit from the 10k version. For faster swingers having 400-450 rpm less spin is a game changer. The fact that Ping figured out the 10k MOI with low spin is the story here.
They figured that out in the G430 Lst?
The 430max is an incredible driver! I have the max and love it! I have one question about the “flat” lie angle setting on the head, does that help straighten a slice?
Nope. The flatter you set it, it’ll open the face and result in a slight fade. The flat option is for those folks for who the toe might be sitting too upright at address.
Actually the G420 was over 9k MOI very nearly 10k, so even before the G425. I was fitted for the 430 max, lasted a month, too spinny on a windy course, now in TSR2, longer, straighter and just as forgiving
I feel like the 10k number might be less if the weight is moved so they have to keep it fixed to hit the 10k number. Since its more about the selling 10k then it is about how useful it actually is. Im more keen on the 430 Max
Was waiting on this video, thanks!
Thanks for waiting
It certainly looks as if the only leap is in the price of the 10K ! Good review Andy, as always 👍
It’s getting there!
Now AUD1100 in Australia. Extraordinary that some people will not bat an eyelid before handing over the cash.
Thanks Andy,
You just saved me $1000+ as I was about to upgrade from my G425 Max but after seeing the info in the video I think I'll stick with what I have.
You should try for yourself but I don’t see a huge benefit
I actually bought a G 425 Max at a deep discount now that the G 430's are on the scene. All the good reviews on the G 425 Max convinced me.
The club is purely the hammer. If the face to path is out then nothing is going to save you. Add in swing plane either steep or shallow will affect it. Club delivery is king.
I feel Ping is feeling the pressure from Taylormade and Callaway to come out with something catchy to keep up.
Thanks, great review. Makes me think about going for a second hand G430 max?
Always a good option 👍
Andy would you try to get your hands on the new Mizuno stx 230 Max and give it a test review. Thanks
Thank you for an honest review
Another great video. However, I need to know, BRNR mini driver or Ping driver? I’m in the exact same situation as you off the tee and am leaning toward the mini driver. Just need a cleaner game.
The greater control from the BRNR at this stage
I bought a 430 max the week before the 10k was released. Wasn’t happy at the time but I have to say the standard max is the best driver I’ve ever had. If the 10k is better it must be sensational.
I play a G425 and have enjoyed it and gotten used to the sound. But do you think upgrading to the 10k max would be a good idea for me?
I suspect that forgiveness only makes a significant difference for very good golfers. I have a very inconsistent swing, I either hit it well or make a mess of it. No club tech can help my technique, I have tested this by borrowing clubs - if I am having a good day with my clubs I can hit anything, a bad day ... forget it. I have an old-ish Ping driver and I can usually hit it to my own personal satisfaction on the course - I would not dare change it.
The headcover is shocking, not just the fit but also the quality. Ping should be putting a quality leather one on the 10K driver.
I have the 425 max and have not had the 430 out do it yet.
Thanks for the info Andy
Thanks for watching
The head cover says enough for me ping as company being greedy thanks Andy avg 👍
Brilliant summary 👏🏼 👌🏻
Thank you
Thanks for this, I bought the Max only 4 months ago so was gutted to see the 10k so soon. How much MOI does last year's model have? I can not find the number anyway.
That’s an interesting point, the reason I used the reference to G425 is because I could not find the answer on G430, as I recall ‘very high’ and I would suggest upward of 9500 👍
The conspiracist in me wonders whether it’s deliberately not released so they can “over sell” the benefits of this new model. Thanks for the reply
For me, bought a LST - too low spin and too low launch. Tried Max, too high launching and too much spin (with standard shafts). 10k is perfect launch and spin. Again, that was for me. 10K is another option for the golfers that it fits. Their “problem” is all their products are good so going to take an absolutely extraordinary club to move the needle dramatically. Like everyone says - get fit.
Interesting I just tested both of these clubs I had similar experience and I will go with the G460 and not the 10K
Great, great review. It couldn't be any better, for us hackers. Thanks.
Have been with my Ping G driver for yearsss…. Guess it’s time to move on to either the G430 or 10K
Ok, here is a comparison that we all ( I ) need to see you do.
The PXG BLACK Ops Driver vs. The Ping G430 Max 10k.
I was always a Ping player until PXG came out with Gen 4 and 5.
My whole bag except wedges now is PXG, wedges are still Vokey.
However, I always keep my eye on Ping, I grew up on golf over 40 years with Ping.
Would love to see you do this comparison.
Thanks Andy.
My mate who is a pretty consistent 8 handicap has the G430. He tested it at fitting center against the 10k model. 5 shots with each, all around 230 yards,zero difference.
did u try it without the wt in the back? peeps saying much better results
What was MOI measurement of "old" 430 Max? 9950?
So the pros are saying g430 max 10k is better suited for 105mph plus swing speeds, below this stick with the std max
I learned that the 10K was noticeable better for me than other G430 models
BTW, I’ve seen the weight on the 430 max broken (the single screw snaps) twice
Really?
Would love to see head to head against the g400 max, their first 10k model from yrs ago
10 K was all pretty straight, your Max was here there back to here, then there!
Just as an FYI … Adam Schenk on the PGA Tour is an equipment free agent and is still playing the G400 (unless he recently switched).🤔
I game the g425 max and won't be in any rush to upgrade to either of the g430's
Would a moveable weight mean once moved it would be below 10k? I have heard the g400 mentioned many times
Perhaps 🤔
Great video can you do it with the other new clubs 👍👍👍
Do what exactly?
A tough ask for manufacturers to improve from one model to the next - the tweak will make it different for someone
Did you prefer the Qi10 to this? Was the TM more of an improvement on Stealth 2 than the Ping Max to their 10k.
Interested as I’m the same swing speed as you Andy
I have just filmed a detailed look at this today, it’s very interesting
Qi10 looks like a much nicer club, just on look alone
Very good review! I can only think that 99.5% of this is simply marketing, specs have been frozen for a while now and they still need to sell clubs. 569£ is a lot of money for 0.5% of improvement that your likely to not even notice really exists.
I appreciate your honesty Andy. I'm still playing a G400 Max in 9 degrees and every time I have put it up against a newer driver the difference has been so minimal that's it's not worth changing. the G400 Max was a 10k (or near as damnit) anyway so how much more improvement can there be? I just need to optimize what I have currently and hopefully I won't need to change for quite some time. I went to a Ping fitting last year. The fitter took one look at my G400 max and basically told me not to bother with the new one as the numbers would be virtually the same which they were when I hit it them on Trackman.
Just went for a fitting and ended up with the 430 max with the 35 gram shaft and the 28 gram wieght. The 10k was too low spin for my slow swing speed. Price wasn't even a consideration here. I believe that for the slower swing, average golfer, the regular max was better.
Andy, on the dry ball data I would love to see you delete some of the slower shots on the 10K model to make sure that your swing speeds match. Then you could look at efficiency metric like smash factor, and have an apples to apples comparison on carry distance.
Smash factor applies to all swing speeds? It’s better to see performance across a number of those speeds because in reality that is a variable on the golf course imo 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer you are right, smash factor does account for slower swing speeds but the carry distance and spin numbers will change. When you are doing a club versus club comparison I just like to see the data where the swing speeds are matched.
I’m with you all the way Andy! This is basically like splitting hairs at the expense of the buyer. A big expense. It seems like the adjustable driver should be the one to cost more money, yet this theory is reversed. I would buy the regular 430 max with the adjustability it will definitely make no difference on my golf game. I can use that extra money for other stuff and the 430 max is already way too much money! Like all the other new clubs out there we have to sell our houses in order to buy them. No thanks
I’m a cat 1 golfer & the difference I found was spin. The 10k is better suited to your better player. It’s forgiving with a lot less spin than the max. I game the G430 LST that’s the best one out of the lot. Fade bias sits a lot more open. The 10k is like in between the max and LST. All hcp could game the 10k. It’s a great driver. They all are. The max is just too spinny. High launching.
You say it’s a better players driver and then say it’s for everyone?
@@TheAverageGolfer is also suited to your better player it’s meant to say. All hcp could use it. It’s definitely a lot less spinny. That’s what I found. The max is upwards of 3k spin. It ballon’s. The 10k I was getting 2300. I think it could be used on tour it’s that’s good. Unlike the max.
@@2sqnbandit379 gotcha 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer I bet you’ll see your pros gaming it. Because it’s lower spinning
@@2sqnbandit379 I'm guessing that's because 'better players' generally have higher swing/ball speeds? We all know higher speeds produce higher spin rates (all else being equal). So the Max may be better for HC golfers with lower speed (say 110mph), that need help keeping spin down to prevent ballooning. So perhaps Ping have just made a 'forgiving' driver for the 'better player' instead of focussing forgiveness purely on the Average Golfer 😉. Just spit-balling.
The G400 had 10K Ping then moved to the G425 which was a good driver despite being a less forgiving but cost more, we then moved to the G430 again more expensive. But the most important factor is why would anyone pay £550 for the Ping when you can get the TaylorMade QI 10 Max with 10 K for £499 🤷♂️
All good points
For lower spin?
@@paulmcgee1867 why would they get lower spin?
Technically I'm not sure but in the OEM's garb. Ping say LST lowest spin, then the 10K then the MAX. Ping HQ fitter basically said the 10K is for those who find the LST too lower spin and the MAX too high. TM market as LS low spin, QI10 in the middle and QI 10 MAX as the highest. One interesting thing about the QI10 MAX the designer said if you swap out the heel weight for a heavier one, the driver breaks the legal MOI limited left to right. But they are not allowed to sell it that way, but they do sell the weights (wink, wink). Apparently there is a legal limit Left to right but not top to bottom. The other cheat in this is that the L to R limit has been reached many times before by multiple club makers, the new 10K figure is the L to R plus (added to) the Top to Bottom MOI something that they simply hadn't pushed before because it was of lesser importance.
When they say more forgiving.. my take on this is you still have to put a decent swing and a centered hit on it.. its never gonna go straight with an over the top swing with a face wide open.. nothing is gonna forgive that
So it’s wasted on of 80% of golfers?
I have g425 and will be sticking with it for the time being, the head cover on it is a absolute disgrace its disintegrating.
I really do think they are very poor especially compared to others
My G410 cover is 4 years old now and still in pristine condition. I wonder what they changed - materials, place of manufacture, both ....
Well, the 430 max is draw biased. And with the weight to the heel, even more so. Therefore, a good fit for you. And for most , probably, seeking a super forgiving jumbo driver. The Max 10k is lower spin and not so much bias. Almost like a 430 LS - Max combo. Not really sure how much sense that makes …
Where are you getting the Max is draw biased?
10 k lower spin with same forgiveness. And sounds better than before allegedly. I think the faster swing speed players could play this and gain more forgiveness. But the average golfer maybe won’t see much difference.
I use the Ping G430 MAX, yesterday I tried the G430 10K, my opinion is I’ll stay with my G430 MAX!
Thanks for sharing feedback Jim, there has been so much positivity around the 10k I had questioned my results but glad you confirmed similar findings
I have the 430 max. The worst thing about it, unequivocally, is the trash headcover. That and pure white would have been better than the lime green.
How do you know if a fitter in your area is any good, or just a salesman?
I understand why all the major manufacturers have to bring out a new driver every year,but how much more improvements can be made? A £100 increase in price seems extortionate to me & the original price was too high to start with