I'm glad i found this video, this case was cooking my 7900xtx. I've put Noctua fans on top and some Arctic fans for the bottom and set top intake, bottom exhaust. This has made a 15-20 degree difference which is huge.
I recently discovered your channel, and I have to say... I absolutely love your content and approach to delivering information. This video was no exception.
@@williamFrSFO16 You have a good point. I love this channel, and I watch all of his videos. But you are right. There is little interaction with his viewers. That is unfortunate.
Just commented this morning on your first video about a top intake bottom exhaust configuration. And there you are already blessing us with your content. Thank you and keep up your excellent work!
The video presentation first, keeps getting better and better, transition effects, closeup pics, sound quality, background ambience and lighting, voice volume and clarity, background music, you came a long way since the lian li case review. So far the best video presentation in my opinion. Then the content, concise and direct to the point with matching presentations, quality content as always 👏💪🍻 So from my observation, theoretically, conventional gpu fans are better compared to the Founder Editions fan in terms of cooling regardless of case fans orientation for vertical gpu layout. Correct me if im wrong More power cheers 👏💪🎉🎊🍻🍻🍻 - 6th to comment hehe 😁
Ah, you are too kind! Glad you enjoy the improvements/tweaks here, I’m wrapping up the studio/desk updates so should have an update video to share soon too. For the GPU, it’s not so much that the FE fans/cooler works better, it’s more so that the 6600xt is so meager in terms of power consumption (it’s kind of OP with even the “2-slot” cooler). That lower power, coupled with the headroom from a 280, basically has less of an impact on CPU cooling. The higher power the components draw at load, the more critical this gets. Hope that helps, thanks again for the encouraging feedback! 👊
Thank you very much. I like the colors of the Max but already built in the NR200. Also, I installed an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Impact and I used the CPU Cooler Noctua C14S. A lot of reviews said it wouldn't fit but mine had about 5/6mm's of clearance between the two. Worked out fine. And the person who put mine together (yes, I was chicken) had the side flow going OUT instead of in. But it all seems to work. Thank you again for your time.
Thanks for this, I have 2x Noctua 120mm thin as intake on the bottom (vertical GPU) and the stock AIO as exhaust and I am having a bunch of trouble getting temps down on the i7-14700K which throttles under load. I'll try option 4 by flipping the fan directions. I am also using the side mesh panel.
Great job on the video, really detailed, nicely shot. Very informative. This would have obviously taken a lot of work, so thanks for sharing. You definitely deserve a lot more subscribers Sir!
Thanks for doing this!!! Finally got one of the NR200P MAX cases I plan on building my PC Next week all parts should be here. My CPU Is a Ryzen 9 5900x I am using my old 1080 card as the NVIDEA 3000 series or Radeon 6000 series cards are too expensive for me. That being said I am glad to see your testing with the fan configurations. I will use the top intake / bottom exhaust.
I've found with my system which has an R9 5950X and an RTX 4070Ti Super, I can still have slim fans at the bottom as intake if I set them to a static speed of about 40 or 50 percent. They don't clash too much with the airflow being pulled in from the top radiator fans so there isn't as much turbulence. I'm sure having top exhaust and bottom exhaust is probably still better but thermals don't seem too bad where I have them right now. 40-50c idle temps and about 60-65c under most gaming loads. Cinebench R23 seems to be peaking about 70-80, which honestly I can live with quite comfortably.
Just switched to a bottom mount AIO with my NR200. Bought the new fractal lumen. It looks awesome with the TG panel and the temps are very decent. Keep up the good work.
Great video, exactly what I was wondering when this case launched. Overall I'm a big fan, even if it does only sell as a bundle. I hope they do sell the bare case at some point down the line though. I have far too many extra PC components, it would be nice to do a build with stuff I already have rather than all new.
I'm about to build in this case. So just to confirm. The best overall setup for the fans is, intake on top and exhaust on bottom? A big giant downwards arrow ⬇️⬇️
Your videos have been absolutely my reference when it came to planning my NR200P build and I'm glad Cooler Master are recognizing your efforts. Do you have any idea how long are the "custom" tubes of the bundled AIO that comes with the Max?
I have this case running a ryzen 9 5900x and MSI 3090. Bottom set for intake, mesh side panel, radiator fans exhausting. Processor is 77 under full load at 4.5 GHz, 68 on the graphics card.
Are you still running the fans blowing from top down and then out the bottom. If so how long did you run these test? Seems like 60 seconds? building this case and would like to know if I should do both up or both down. lol. Thanks!
Great video. I am curious as to how a non-FE 3080 would perform, since the FE has a fan in the front and back, whereas non-FE cards generally have 3 front fans. I also wonder if you could squeeze a Phanteks T30 at bottom instead of the Noctua 25mm. It moves significantly more air, so if it fits, it might be worth it.
This is the exact experiment I was looking for.. thanks! With reversing the flow of the top radiator wouldn't it be better to put the fans on top of the radiator so they're forcing air through the radiator instead of just turning them upside down on the underside?
Just got a 3070ti and put it in my nr200, the config is setup to be silent and it works so well, but the gpu started very loud coil whining within a few hours. No overclocking, only the riva stats tuner to measure thermals. Msi afterburner was open but settings not changed. Can I try and get a replacement? Or is it just bad luck?
Yeah… coil whine is a hit or miss issue especially with Ampere, I’m hearing about it more often than not from users. Undervolting can help but won’t eliminate it, but is worth doing for many reasons. A lot of times they (manufacturer) won’t cover under warranty but I would think the store you got it from should at least swap you out and see if the other is better, inventory dependent of course.
I had coil whine on my GTX 970 GPU, playing on Vsync removes the coil whine, so I think it is an issue that has to do with power that is a hit or miss in all cards.
witch NOCTUA model you used? Because as I run CinebenchR23 temperature go to 100 °C - I've 2 bottom Slim Fan by noctua for Intake and the AIO exhaust. I have also disabled the multicore optimization on my ASUS ROG STRIX z690-I GAMING Wi-Fi (bios 2204) - I7-13700K - RTS3060ti
Is the NR200P Max stock setup with the top fans (for the cooler) exhaust? I was going to put in a Ryzen 7600 or 7700 (which runs very cool anyway), so for me having the two bottom fans as intake and the top as exhaust (stock?) would be best to reduce GPU temps, right?
@@10foxlink negative pressure inside the case due to both ends being on exhaust. Allows air, and dust, to fill in that negative space as it acts as a vacuum inside due to no air.
Does this case support mini DTX motherboards? CM's website says it doesn't, but your video shows some clearance under the ITX motherboard suggesting that it's possible. I'm really considering this case for my first ITX build, but the motherboard support is the only thing holding me back from preordering.
Soo, can i use on my Max Version on the bottom 2x 25mm Fans or am i forced to use it like in the Video (1x 15 mm, 1x 25mm; 2x 15mm)? I saw some other Videos and some people said i cant use 2x 25mm and some other people said i could use them, but they touch the GPU (if it has more than 2 Slots) or they touch the PCIE Riser Clable (on every 2 Slot GPU)?. Thank You!
Hey I just did a new build with this case. Everything runs amazing except for 1 issue. I’m feeling a bit of vibration when gaming. I’m thinking it’s either coming from the aio fan or pump. I did tighten the strap to manage cables better but left most as is. Anyway you can tell me how to fix the vibration? Or minimize it but anoying
This is a great video. One question.... There are two types of loads that I run. 1) Heavy all core CPU loads (i.e. Handbrake). There is no GPU usage during those task 2) Game loads: heavy GPU, moderate CPU. Also, if I add the bottom fans, I want the option to have a zero RPM fan curve where they are on only if the system is under high load. In this video, you ran the top and bottom fans at the same speed. Would it be bad to run the system with top intake and bottom exhaust with zero RPM profile where the bottom fans only turn on when the CPU goes above 50C? I want to keep the system as quiet as possible when there is no load.
Thanks for this video! From your results, I went with top/bottom exhaust for negative pressure as my GPU runs hotter than CPU. I want to further cool my GPU, would using the Glass panel on the back side put more pressure on the mesh side to suck in more air for the GPU? The back doesn't really need fresh air does it? Thanks!
Yes, you could do a pull (fans on the outside). I want to say the stock screws have enough thread length for the rad panel because they account for the fan grills, which you don’t need with that setup. Outside of aesthetic concerns (such as with RGB fans) IME there’s no significant cooling difference. That being said, I’d like to quantify that at some point, but yes it can be setup that way.
If using the mesh panel and 3080 Ti FE, would you recommend a “top intake/bottom exhaust” setup since the GPU runs on the hotter side and would effect CPU temps less than a “top exhaust/bottom exhaust” negative pressure setup?
I am new to radiators/aios. If I wanted to go with the top intake config, I know I have to flip the fans. My question is, do I need to move the fans towards the outside of the case to get more airflow coming in, or leave them on the same side of they’re already on on the radiator. Basically, should I put the fans on top of the rad instead of the bottom if I want them to be intake?
There is one config that I'd like to try but it probably needs a custom cut (Or printed) back panel: using the new bracket for radiator on top and the gpu mount *without* the raiser on the bottom (2 slot cards max since the space for 3 slot cards is used to shift down the mobo to accommodate the top rad): This way the GPU would still get the benefit of fresh, intake straight through the bottom of the case and you could still use the glass panel. This probably requires a smaller gpu but I've seen some cards like a PNY 3060 that are basically not only 2 slots but single fan and about the length of the itx board: you'd still get at least 120mm fan intake from the bottom and the rear 90mm as well. It's still recycling some GPU hot exaust to the GPU but this config I bet would net even better temps that what we've shown here. But this is probably too complicated: I'd rather find a 120 AIO that I can mount at the bottom because I know for example be quiet makes (Or used to make) an AIO that integrates the pump on the houses, not on the cpu block, so that can be optimal bottom mounted. I still like the NR200P Max though: it's probably going to replace the NZXT H1 as the best "Barebones without motherboard" solution out there as long as you just mind using a modest GPU along with it.
I use a slim 120mm fan in the back, where the power cable goes, and a regular 120mm in the front. Works well imo. Only problem I guess is that the back fan gets blocked majority of the time due to the riser cable.
The case comes with two 8-pin PCIe cables for the GPU, but both are daisy chained. PSU has one free PCIe connector, thou. I wasn't comfortable using two cables for my 3080 Ti. I contacted CM via Facebook and they sent me one PCIe cable for free! I believe you can also buy them from their online store. There was talk that the guy who helped me would pass my suggestion to the higher ups about adding a third cable with the case. I have no idea if my suggestion was adapted or not.
It should be workable, granted either way you orient the airflow you’re going to see a big influence from one component on the other. Personally I’d recommend the regular NR200 since that tends to help GPUs a lot, that being said the MAX should be fine provided it’s a typical gaming use case. (High GPU load/moderate CPU load)
@Machines & More Thanks for much for the reply. I was lucky enough to get the Max on Amazon and recently purchased the 3080ti FE. Perhaps my best bet it to just go with an I5 12600 instead, which is the last thing i want to do. If I had it my way id throw the I9 12th Gen in there. LoL
Ignoring the cost and effort to install your own fans and AIO.. Do you think the original NR200 with 2 intake fans on the bottom pushing air through the GPU, the AIO with 2 fans on the mesh side as intake and 2 fans on top as exhaust with 6 fans total, will still be "better" than what can be done with the Max version in terms of thermal performance?
Hey Tom, so the NR200 with ML280 was the baseline comparison for the mesh panel test, at 9:20 it’s pretty close to the optimized MAX, compared to the top intake bottom exhaust it has slightly worse CPU thermals for slightly better GPU temps, the reason being the side intake does get impacted by the flow through cooler on the 3080 FE. A little rebalancing of fan speeds could get similar overall performance, but more or less it’s lateral in terms of performance. When similarly equipped and properly configured there’s not a real reason they should be different in terms of performance, the MAX just comes out of the box setup with a fan orientation that isn’t necessarily the best for CPU thermals for a combined scenario.
Hats off to the beautifully and carefully crafted video that convinced me to get this case! However with my setup of two noctua 120x15mm fans as intake, AIO as exhaust, 13700K and RTX4070, I never seem to match the temperatures listed here. Under full utilization with standard bios settings for fan speeds, the cpu package temperature immediately hits 100 degrees, throttling and again immediately falling down to somewhere 40 when stopping the test. This seemed to me like a thermal paste issue, then I switched to ptm7950 and the situation is still the same. Any ideas on what could be wrong; could it be the cpu and gpu combination I have that is requiring much better airflow? Responses are much appreciated!
The thermals in the graphs in the video show that having both top and bottom fans running as exhaust help alleviate thermals. Also if you are using the glass panel (guessing this is the case with thermals like that) then switch to the mesh panel and that will help even more. If you still can't get the thermals under control you will have to under volt. Is it just the CPU or is the GPU affected as well?
Same setup and as I run CinebenchR23 temperature go to 100 °C - i've 2 bottom nopctua Intake and the AIO ex. I have also disabled the multicore optimization on my ASUS ROG STRIX z690-I GAMING Wi-Fi (bios 2204)
@@JSHoward187 Please accept my apologies for the delayed response; I thought I had replied to this message already. I never used the glass panel, and my comparison was based on the chart showing bottom intake and top exhaust. Only the CPU is affected. Over the past 10 months, I have tried several workarounds, such as changing the bracket with a frame, reapplying the thermal pad, and activating performance enhancement options in the BIOS, but none of these solutions have resolved the issue. The only solution I have found so far is lowering the graphics options in the games. While undervolting seems to be an option, I am reluctant to pursue it. However, to my understanding, the charts shared here do not reflect results from undervolted tests.
I am very curious how it would perform with GPU fans off. Soely by using the Bottom fans as intake and top fans as exhaust with a tempered glass and the through airflow to cool the GPU. I have a 3 slot GPU with large sideway fins and really curious how it would perform in such a configuration and PC Case.
lets hope CM releases a version of this case without the psy&aio bundle. it would be intresting to set this case up with a slim 240 rad+regular 280 rad using a 3/4" skirt+feet to place the fans in the underside + the nouvolo cpu pump block to make this custom loop!
I'm glad i found this video, this case was cooking my 7900xtx. I've put Noctua fans on top and some Arctic fans for the bottom and set top intake, bottom exhaust. This has made a 15-20 degree difference which is huge.
I recently discovered your channel, and I have to say... I absolutely love your content and approach to delivering information. This video was no exception.
This.
Too bad you don’t answer question or respond to comments!
@@williamFrSFO16 You have a good point. I love this channel, and I watch all of his videos. But you are right. There is little interaction with his viewers. That is unfortunate.
Just commented this morning on your first video about a top intake bottom exhaust configuration. And there you are already blessing us with your content. Thank you and keep up your excellent work!
The video presentation first, keeps getting better and better, transition effects, closeup pics, sound quality, background ambience and lighting, voice volume and clarity, background music, you came a long way since the lian li case review. So far the best video presentation in my opinion.
Then the content, concise and direct to the point with matching presentations, quality content as always 👏💪🍻
So from my observation, theoretically, conventional gpu fans are better compared to the Founder Editions fan in terms of cooling regardless of case fans orientation for vertical gpu layout. Correct me if im wrong
More power cheers 👏💪🎉🎊🍻🍻🍻
- 6th to comment hehe 😁
Ah, you are too kind! Glad you enjoy the improvements/tweaks here, I’m wrapping up the studio/desk updates so should have an update video to share soon too. For the GPU, it’s not so much that the FE fans/cooler works better, it’s more so that the 6600xt is so meager in terms of power consumption (it’s kind of OP with even the “2-slot” cooler). That lower power, coupled with the headroom from a 280, basically has less of an impact on CPU cooling. The higher power the components draw at load, the more critical this gets. Hope that helps, thanks again for the encouraging feedback! 👊
@@MachinesMore Duly noted, taking notes, just hoping the parts are as available as pancakes 🤣😭
See you on your next videos cheers 🍻🍻
Thank you very much. I like the colors of the Max but already built in the NR200. Also, I installed an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Impact and I used the CPU Cooler Noctua C14S. A lot of reviews said it wouldn't fit but mine had about 5/6mm's of clearance between the two. Worked out fine. And the person who put mine together (yes, I was chicken) had the side flow going OUT instead of in. But it all seems to work. Thank you again for your time.
I love this channel so helpful for nr200 builders. thank you!
Agree with S.M. below. Your presentation style is the Gold Standard for tech channels. You could run seminars on that alone. :) Thanks much.
Nice video! Waiting for the custom loop built 👍🏼
Pretty interesting to see how the different configurations perform. Thumbs up!
Thanks for this super detailed video!
Thanks for this, I have 2x Noctua 120mm thin as intake on the bottom (vertical GPU) and the stock AIO as exhaust and I am having a bunch of trouble getting temps down on the i7-14700K which throttles under load. I'll try option 4 by flipping the fan directions. I am also using the side mesh panel.
Same here - about to do the same - Option 4.
Great job on the video, really detailed, nicely shot. Very informative. This would have obviously taken a lot of work, so thanks for sharing. You definitely deserve a lot more subscribers Sir!
Thanks for doing this!!! Finally got one of the NR200P MAX cases I plan on building my PC Next week all parts should be here. My CPU Is a Ryzen 9 5900x I am using my old 1080 card as the NVIDEA 3000 series or Radeon 6000 series cards are too expensive for me. That being said I am glad to see your testing with the fan configurations. I will use the top intake / bottom exhaust.
Out of stock and only on Amazon. Come on Cooler Master!
Convection currents is just what I have to say. I advise seeing. Continuation with the good job
Cheers. Are you referring to thermal imaging?
i hope you make a video with this chassis together with 13th gen intel and 40 series gpu
I've found with my system which has an R9 5950X and an RTX 4070Ti Super, I can still have slim fans at the bottom as intake if I set them to a static speed of about 40 or 50 percent. They don't clash too much with the airflow being pulled in from the top radiator fans so there isn't as much turbulence. I'm sure having top exhaust and bottom exhaust is probably still better but thermals don't seem too bad where I have them right now. 40-50c idle temps and about 60-65c under most gaming loads. Cinebench R23 seems to be peaking about 70-80, which honestly I can live with quite comfortably.
Great case, great man, great video.
Just switched to a bottom mount AIO with my NR200. Bought the new fractal lumen. It looks awesome with the TG panel and the temps are very decent. Keep up the good work.
Wow so thorough! Subscribed. I do wish you used a larger GPU for testing as well. Edit: nvm I found your AIB 3080 video. Well done!
You gotta get a discord server my dude. I'm glad people are noticing your videos more.
Looking forward to the NR200P V2 thinking thermals should be similar
Solid editing
Great video, exactly what I was wondering when this case launched. Overall I'm a big fan, even if it does only sell as a bundle. I hope they do sell the bare case at some point down the line though. I have far too many extra PC components, it would be nice to do a build with stuff I already have rather than all new.
solid video. what fan curves you using for radiator fans/pump?
I'm about to build in this case. So just to confirm. The best overall setup for the fans is, intake on top and exhaust on bottom?
A big giant downwards arrow ⬇️⬇️
Wouldn’t top intake be bad in long term for power supply? Not only are you pumping cpu air into it you are not letting it get rid of its own air
Your videos have been absolutely my reference when it came to planning my NR200P build and I'm glad Cooler Master are recognizing your efforts. Do you have any idea how long are the "custom" tubes of the bundled AIO that comes with the Max?
I have this case running a ryzen 9 5900x and MSI 3090. Bottom set for intake, mesh side panel, radiator fans exhausting. Processor is 77 under full load at 4.5 GHz, 68 on the graphics card.
Are you still running the fans blowing from top down and then out the bottom. If so how long did you run these test? Seems like 60 seconds? building this case and would like to know if I should do both up or both down. lol. Thanks!
This is my exact question. About to build in this case too. I'm just trying to get a conclusive answer, all fans facing down? ⬇️⬇️
January 2022, still no obvious sight of the nr200p max
I want an HDD at the bottom. Will adding one bottom fan improve the thermals as well?
Great video. I am curious as to how a non-FE 3080 would perform, since the FE has a fan in the front and back, whereas non-FE cards generally have 3 front fans.
I also wonder if you could squeeze a Phanteks T30 at bottom instead of the Noctua 25mm. It moves significantly more air, so if it fits, it might be worth it.
Why does j2c have smaller cpu and gpu temps without the fans below the case?
This is the exact experiment I was looking for.. thanks! With reversing the flow of the top radiator wouldn't it be better to put the fans on top of the radiator so they're forcing air through the radiator instead of just turning them upside down on the underside?
Can i add small noctua fans on side if i modify it ?
Will you be looking at the Lian Li q58?
Just got a 3070ti and put it in my nr200, the config is setup to be silent and it works so well, but the gpu started very loud coil whining within a few hours. No overclocking, only the riva stats tuner to measure thermals. Msi afterburner was open but settings not changed. Can I try and get a replacement? Or is it just bad luck?
Yeah… coil whine is a hit or miss issue especially with Ampere, I’m hearing about it more often than not from users. Undervolting can help but won’t eliminate it, but is worth doing for many reasons. A lot of times they (manufacturer) won’t cover under warranty but I would think the store you got it from should at least swap you out and see if the other is better, inventory dependent of course.
I had coil whine on my GTX 970 GPU, playing on Vsync removes the coil whine, so I think it is an issue that has to do with power that is a hit or miss in all cards.
i changed the fans of the radiator.....with noctua...and i put 2 slim ones on the bottom ,,,,
witch NOCTUA model you used? Because as I run CinebenchR23 temperature go to 100 °C - I've 2 bottom Slim Fan by noctua for Intake and the AIO exhaust. I have also disabled the multicore optimization on my ASUS ROG STRIX z690-I GAMING Wi-Fi (bios 2204) - I7-13700K - RTS3060ti
can you do a test on a side panel extension on a normal nr200 with to fit a Noctua NH-D15?
Is the NR200P Max stock setup with the top fans (for the cooler) exhaust? I was going to put in a Ryzen 7600 or 7700 (which runs very cool anyway), so for me having the two bottom fans as intake and the top as exhaust (stock?) would be best to reduce GPU temps, right?
NR200. Also known as the case that can make ITX mainstream.
I can imagine dust is a huge problem in the top exhaust bottom exhaust configuration
why?
@@10foxlink negative pressure inside the case due to both ends being on exhaust. Allows air, and dust, to fill in that negative space as it acts as a vacuum inside due to no air.
@@GenesisXtr3me would dust filters make a difference in a setup like that?
I plan to do an acrylic panel. With some ventilation.
so many configuration, very nice and informative video..
a question sir, can you put 1 or 2.. 40mm mini fan at the back?
Replace another AIO and fan?
Does this case support mini DTX motherboards? CM's website says it doesn't, but your video shows some clearance under the ITX motherboard suggesting that it's possible.
I'm really considering this case for my first ITX build, but the motherboard support is the only thing holding me back from preordering.
my graphic card exhaust up 3090 strix.... the centre GPU fan get hot so I exhaust down using a single fan... I currently have both to exhaust
hello sir, do you think the new Scythe mugen 5 argb plus scmg-5102ar is compatible for NR200P?
Incase you missed it. Lian li just announced a new sfx case. Would be cool if you can review it after max
How does the Max (with mesh panel) compare against your optimized C14S build? I'm trying to figure out which model to go for the NR200.
Whats the best fan layout with a Palit RTX 3080 gaming pro, with 2 slimline noctua fans at the bottom and two large at the top?
Soo, can i use on my Max Version on the bottom 2x 25mm Fans or am i forced to use it like in the Video (1x 15 mm, 1x 25mm; 2x 15mm)? I saw some other Videos and some people said i cant use 2x 25mm and some other people said i could use them, but they touch the GPU (if it has more than 2 Slots) or they touch the PCIE Riser Clable (on every 2 Slot GPU)?.
Thank You!
an amusing comment about bottom exhaust with either glass or mesh panel: the bottom exhaust airflow irritates my eyes so intake it is 😅
Hey I just did a new build with this case. Everything runs amazing except for 1 issue. I’m feeling a bit of vibration when gaming. I’m thinking it’s either coming from the aio fan or pump. I did tighten the strap to manage cables better but left most as is. Anyway you can tell me how to fix the vibration? Or minimize it but anoying
This is a great video. One question.... There are two types of loads that I run. 1) Heavy all core CPU loads (i.e. Handbrake). There is no GPU usage during those task 2) Game loads: heavy GPU, moderate CPU.
Also, if I add the bottom fans, I want the option to have a zero RPM fan curve where they are on only if the system is under high load. In this video, you ran the top and bottom fans at the same speed.
Would it be bad to run the system with top intake and bottom exhaust with zero RPM profile where the bottom fans only turn on when the CPU goes above 50C? I want to keep the system as quiet as possible when there is no load.
Thanks for this video! From your results, I went with top/bottom exhaust for negative pressure as my GPU runs hotter than CPU. I want to further cool my GPU, would using the Glass panel on the back side put more pressure on the mesh side to suck in more air for the GPU? The back doesn't really need fresh air does it? Thanks!
For top intake, can you do push or does it only support pull? And might it make any difference?
Yes, you could do a pull (fans on the outside). I want to say the stock screws have enough thread length for the rad panel because they account for the fan grills, which you don’t need with that setup. Outside of aesthetic concerns (such as with RGB fans) IME there’s no significant cooling difference. That being said, I’d like to quantify that at some point, but yes it can be setup that way.
Will you planning on doing a full custom loop for NR200P max?
Yes.
@@MachinesMore I'm excited to see, how that goes.
If using the mesh panel and 3080 Ti FE, would you recommend a “top intake/bottom exhaust” setup since the GPU runs on the hotter side and would effect CPU temps less than a “top exhaust/bottom exhaust” negative pressure setup?
I am new to radiators/aios. If I wanted to go with the top intake config, I know I have to flip the fans.
My question is, do I need to move the fans towards the outside of the case to get more airflow coming in, or leave them on the same side of they’re already on on the radiator.
Basically, should I put the fans on top of the rad instead of the bottom if I want them to be intake?
Hello friend
Did you ever find an answer to your question?
Do you think it can fit in an Aorus RTX 3080 Master?
There is one config that I'd like to try but it probably needs a custom cut (Or printed) back panel: using the new bracket for radiator on top and the gpu mount *without* the raiser on the bottom (2 slot cards max since the space for 3 slot cards is used to shift down the mobo to accommodate the top rad): This way the GPU would still get the benefit of fresh, intake straight through the bottom of the case and you could still use the glass panel.
This probably requires a smaller gpu but I've seen some cards like a PNY 3060 that are basically not only 2 slots but single fan and about the length of the itx board: you'd still get at least 120mm fan intake from the bottom and the rear 90mm as well. It's still recycling some GPU hot exaust to the GPU but this config I bet would net even better temps that what we've shown here.
But this is probably too complicated: I'd rather find a 120 AIO that I can mount at the bottom because I know for example be quiet makes (Or used to make) an AIO that integrates the pump on the houses, not on the cpu block, so that can be optimal bottom mounted.
I still like the NR200P Max though: it's probably going to replace the NZXT H1 as the best "Barebones without motherboard" solution out there as long as you just mind using a modest GPU along with it.
some builds got 2 full size fans at the bottom and it clearly fits and some do slim fans, i dont get it
Those with full-size bottom fans have raised their GPU with standoffs or some other method.
@@georgep.9222 true. i did mine now with spacers.
Is there any benefit to using the slimmer 15mm fans at the bottom? Or are 25mm fans ok?
one is simply to thick as it touches the rizer cable. the other barely fits.
I use a slim 120mm fan in the back, where the power cable goes, and a regular 120mm in the front. Works well imo. Only problem I guess is that the back fan gets blocked majority of the time due to the riser cable.
Would this one be able to fit a radiator at the top and bottom without modding? Still only slim?
For the MAX, you can. There’s very little chance a fan fits with a rad under the riser cable though.
Hi how many pcie cables are there? I would like to put a 3x8 pin rtx 3080ti
The case comes with two 8-pin PCIe cables for the GPU, but both are daisy chained. PSU has one free PCIe connector, thou.
I wasn't comfortable using two cables for my 3080 Ti. I contacted CM via Facebook and they sent me one PCIe cable for free! I believe you can also buy them from their online store. There was talk that the guy who helped me would pass my suggestion to the higher ups about adding a third cable with the case. I have no idea if my suggestion was adapted or not.
Hi there, do you think I would be ok with a 3080Ti and an i7 12700k?
It should be workable, granted either way you orient the airflow you’re going to see a big influence from one component on the other. Personally I’d recommend the regular NR200 since that tends to help GPUs a lot, that being said the MAX should be fine provided it’s a typical gaming use case. (High GPU load/moderate CPU load)
@Machines & More Thanks for much for the reply. I was lucky enough to get the Max on Amazon and recently purchased the 3080ti FE. Perhaps my best bet it to just go with an I5 12600 instead, which is the last thing i want to do. If I had it my way id throw the I9 12th Gen in there. LoL
Ignoring the cost and effort to install your own fans and AIO..
Do you think the original NR200 with 2 intake fans on the bottom pushing air through the GPU, the AIO with 2 fans on the mesh side as intake and 2 fans on top as exhaust with 6 fans total, will still be "better" than what can be done with the Max version in terms of thermal performance?
Hey Tom, so the NR200 with ML280 was the baseline comparison for the mesh panel test, at 9:20 it’s pretty close to the optimized MAX, compared to the top intake bottom exhaust it has slightly worse CPU thermals for slightly better GPU temps, the reason being the side intake does get impacted by the flow through cooler on the 3080 FE. A little rebalancing of fan speeds could get similar overall performance, but more or less it’s lateral in terms of performance. When similarly equipped and properly configured there’s not a real reason they should be different in terms of performance, the MAX just comes out of the box setup with a fan orientation that isn’t necessarily the best for CPU thermals for a combined scenario.
Hats off to the beautifully and carefully crafted video that convinced me to get this case! However with my setup of two noctua 120x15mm fans as intake, AIO as exhaust, 13700K and RTX4070, I never seem to match the temperatures listed here. Under full utilization with standard bios settings for fan speeds, the cpu package temperature immediately hits 100 degrees, throttling and again immediately falling down to somewhere 40 when stopping the test. This seemed to me like a thermal paste issue, then I switched to ptm7950 and the situation is still the same. Any ideas on what could be wrong; could it be the cpu and gpu combination I have that is requiring much better airflow? Responses are much appreciated!
The thermals in the graphs in the video show that having both top and bottom fans running as exhaust help alleviate thermals. Also if you are using the glass panel (guessing this is the case with thermals like that) then switch to the mesh panel and that will help even more. If you still can't get the thermals under control you will have to under volt. Is it just the CPU or is the GPU affected as well?
Same setup and as I run CinebenchR23 temperature go to 100 °C - i've 2 bottom nopctua Intake and the AIO ex. I have also disabled the multicore optimization on my ASUS ROG STRIX z690-I GAMING Wi-Fi (bios 2204)
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Please accept my apologies for the delayed response; I thought I had replied to this message already. I never used the glass panel, and my comparison was based on the chart showing bottom intake and top exhaust. Only the CPU is affected. Over the past 10 months, I have tried several workarounds, such as changing the bracket with a frame, reapplying the thermal pad, and activating performance enhancement options in the BIOS, but none of these solutions have resolved the issue.
The only solution I have found so far is lowering the graphics options in the games. While undervolting seems to be an option, I am reluctant to pursue it. However, to my understanding, the charts shared here do not reflect results from undervolted tests.
I am very curious how it would perform with GPU fans off. Soely by using the Bottom fans as intake and top fans as exhaust with a tempered glass and the through airflow to cool the GPU. I have a 3 slot GPU with large sideway fins and really curious how it would perform in such a configuration and PC Case.
lets hope CM releases a version of this case without the psy&aio bundle. it would be intresting to set this case up with a slim 240 rad+regular 280 rad using a 3/4" skirt+feet to place the fans in the underside + the nouvolo cpu pump block to make this custom loop!
Ill stick to my SSUPD Meshyyyy
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