This Small Gaming PC turned out amazing!
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- Опубліковано 31 сер 2021
- Today we put the thermals of the Cooler Master NR200P Max to the test... How will the 9900k and RTX 3080 survive??
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No matter what, I LOVE Phil's montages!! Yeah the upgrade and building are cool. But the montages are where it is at.
maybe if he didn't use terrible "music" it would be the best part. should just have silence ...
really? I think it fits well. I liked this one especially, had a cool disco vibe.
Feels just a little bit like Computer assembly porn. LOL
@@mgarre24 I mean...that's kind of what it is, though, right? LOL
We need a video on how he makes those. Just simple, cool and entertaining.
You can tell Phil really likes his baby cause the montage is 110 percent.
It's pure inspiration material. He just needs some custom sleeved shiny silver cables.
so much this !!
I was thinking this too
I actually really like this PC building montages. Something different than the usual time-lapse or the "look i'm building this PC imma put in this component now then that component" sort of thing.
yeah
ann'not all in black
so i am gonna not puke
at all
Phil's B roll skills are top notch
@@urkent4463 y
Yeah I enjoy them too. I just wish Jay and company would list the parts they use in the description.
10:45 “Alright. The gpu completely stabilized at *nice* degrees.”
nice.
Know what else is nice???
the fact I didn't panic sell my 2080 ti like a shmuck 🤣😂
@@deminybs and the fact that the people who sold it, they don’t have gpus
So Jay loves Phil more than his Child then.
I can accept that ^^
That was what I thought after remembering he was originally going to use the case for his younger kids build. Haha
@@Shadowfeaux guess she'll get phil's old case which probably makes more sense than that one.. or cooler master sent them two cases.
Meanwhile his child already has 3 different PCs built for her
@@Buckheimer you mean the older child? lol
Phil helps him make money, the kid is just a drain. I can see why he likes Phil more :D /s
I like how Jay takes care of his staff, what a nice boss.
"The GPU has stabilized at Nice degrees!"
I see what you did there!
Laughed when he said that 🤣
Max master maximum platinum gaming prime mlg maxmasterbox lol I love your videos thank you for keeping on even when complainers complain
Please save me from being mined
@@Graphics_Card aight bro how much you cost
every cooler master product name ever...
Normally I don't like anything smaller that a full ATX, but this really looks good. This would make me consider an ITX for my next build.
If you do not need all the bells and whistles ITX is a great platform.
Go watch bitwits video of the new HYTE SFF case, even better than this.
I've been planning a ITX build myself. My current PC build is Intel 10th gen/3080, but I'm thinking Ryzen 4th gen in an ITX build. Still not sold on Radeon GPUs yet though. But AMD is definitely closing in on Nvidia.
@@TheSmileyTek I have always bought mid range cards, so brand not a huge deal. I don't need eye candy. My gtx 1060 will last me a few more years. Forever if I mever really touch AAA games.
@@dobermanownerforlife3902 That's cool man. I just can't control myself sometimes lol. I went from 2070 Super to 3070, to 3080 within a year. My kid has the 3070 now. He gets super nice hand me downs, that's for sure.
This show just brings me so much peace. Thank you for always being awesome.
gotta love the fancy schmancy montage editing, always featuring jay's stressed out facial expressions in the back
DUDE, Jay, the montage is so great. Hats off to whoever's idea that was. I watched it twice cause it's soooo soooooothing. Well done.
always showing Phil some love, I like it. Phil is just an awesome editor and an awesome guy.
So I have a case similar to that one. The fan you put on the bottom just flip it to push air out instead of in and you will get better Temps. That's what I did and it works. Having both bottom and top as exhaust just helps overall to remove the hot air out and the air is being taken in from the side panels.
Just done the same as well. Works better with bottom fans exhausting down
Cleaning the parts was legit extremely satisfying. Would love a vid on the techniques and tools you used for such a great finish!
Phil has been absolutely killing it with the montages lately. They’ve always been solid, but these last few have just completely stolen the spotlight
I like how Phil went a little extra on his montage this time with his build, the montages always kick ass tho. nice work!
I like how Phil goes from not wearing a mask to having one on when the camera pans back lol I think even he realized how nasty that PC was!
I wish they just got rid of masks alltogether
@@simeoncastaldo7081 same with you.
@@JDillander91 💀
@@JDillander91 damn bro you murdered him harder than covid eventually will
@@JDillander91 Dude's got no chill lmaooo thanks for saying it for us
Nice build. Love the way together. Functional and pleasing to the eye. Great job guys
If nothing else, this music is loving my HarmanKardon 2.0 PC speakers. So bumpin', and the bass response is amazing!
Even though I don't like the new montages, I can get behind for this one for the music alone!
Smoke test it. You'll see that the bottom fan is actually re-circulating hot air in the case. It pushes air up the column directly above it, that then circulates back out of the vents immediately behind the fan and is then pushed back into the case again by the fan. If you put two fans there instead of one, both on intake, this would make a huge difference ;)
Great idea, I would add a high speed camera to record that test so he can see the smoke flow better before it diffuses and obscures the view. (that and the cool content potential)
Also, set the bottoms fan as exhaust! I see everyone assuming that if top fans are exhaust the bottom fans must be intake. That’s only true if you’re using the TG panel. If you want true ultimate performance, use vented side panel and bottom fans as exhaust. It pulls the heat from the gpu out the bottom, and cpu aio isn’t being fed hot air. It’s a win-win for both temps.
Might as well try exhaust as well. I suspect it will have better results.
@@Crazyates11 Everything you said. Negative pressure everything is the answer. Pull the air from the side of the case and push it out the top and bottom.
This is almost the same layout as a Sliger SM580.
@@Crazyates11 thanks, this will help me if I finally decided to build in an nr200p
Just as an idea: Instead of guessing the flow, just get a cheap smoke machine and see it. Also handy when trying to find a vacuum leak in a car ;)
What a great friend, hooking Phil up with a new case. Although the old case looked sweet, displaying the 3080 up front, and dropping temps is worth the swap.
That was easily the most sexy build montage that I have ever scene. The audio track absolutely sold it for me
If I was interested in an ITX build, I’d definitely would be getting this case
If you're interested in an ITX case, I would recommend to check out the SSUPD Meshlicious. A cool max airflow case which can fit tripple slot cards up to 320mm and an AiO with 280 rads.
It's a great value for the prices you can get it for.
(If you have an matx motherboard and an ATX power supply the Sama Im01 is a comparable alternative)
@@ForsakenCries793 nah, thats a hype case
@@Dee0426 but it's srsly just good... and available. Nothing you can say about a lot of ITX cases.
I completely empathize w/ Phil regarding the Shift. I've got a first-gen, glass-paneled Shift case that I've modded like crazy.
I tried to get fabric panels for it but they're all sold out. I know I need to get a more thermal-friendly case but I just can't do it yet. It looks too good!
I'm looking for an NR200 glass panel mod that has ventilation holes cut in!
The shift and shift X are weird ones. Shift X at least has space for 240+120mm rad, which is enough to cool a 5700 xt and 5600x, 120mm in Shift is literally only enough for low powered air cooled builds
I rarely comment on UA-cam vids, but this one deserves a thumbs up for Phil's fantastic montages! Love the great synergy of the music, scene cuts, transitions, everything.
This deserves a Chef's Kiss!
Thanks for the Aida64 video a while back. I put in a sensor panel a few weeks ago and it has changed everything about how i monitor my pc.
Y'all trolling me. I had that Evol shifts then went to the nr200. And now they made this case to troll me. Love the video
Damn, this might be a good chassis / barebones kit. Giving me the idea to build a SSF PC for my girlfriend. Desk real estate is limited for her, so this might be just perfect! And the Lian-Li fans + LED strip adds an extra bit of lighting flare, enough so it's not overkill👌.
Oh man, those extra words for that case model is worthit. Nice upgrade for Phil.
That Montage looks great! I really like how the blue reflected off the chrome on the gpu, looks really really good
I actually like the cage look more than the glass.
Man, something about seeing a founders edition 3080 with its flowthrough design being mounted vertically makes me a weird combination of mad and sad. Smad. Such an inefficient direction for the airflow design. A regular mount with two bottom mounted fans would have made so much sense in that case with (i suspect) improved acoustics.
Agreed. The NR200P non-max would be the way to go there, but it has its share of problems too. The only ootb options for an AIO rad+fans are side-plate mounting and floor mounting (the worst possible place for an AIO radiator, yet you routinely see builders on YT chest-pumping about their "pretty" rigs post-build in that exact configuration). It is non-trivial to shoehorn a rad+fans, even low profile, into the roof. That, coupled with no panel USB-C support in any of the NR200 cases, is why I don't have one in my hands already. And I really, *really* like the layout of this case line.
@@Craig-ib7gk I agree so much. I just want an NR200 that I can top mount a rad to, that still has a horizontal GPU for efficient thermals.
@SmashStomp Inc i guess cooler master wasnt feeling the love for better design. no usb c is a joke
Absolutely love your review on this particular case. 100% ordering it for the wife. Thanks Jay!
I really appreciate the extra tests with the two side panels and a fan on the bottom. Would not have expected that temperature increase!
Would love to see a custom loop in this case
Jay! can we have Phil share is SensorPanel Dash layout? I absolutely love how he has his configured.
Check out Jay's video on Nov 2, 2020 - "EVERY PC should have one of these! How to make a sensor panel!" - he shows how to set this up.
@@titan557 I think he was after that sensorpanel template instead of doing it all by himself
@@leitomitch9778 ye, same. The layout template is what I'm sure we're all after! I'm after that too! I don't even have my extra screen shipped yet! Just ordered it yesterday and started looking at free ways to monitor the stuff. Mostly need GPU monitoring RN if I can't find one I don't have to pay monthly for, or can just buy once and done, or is free.
Tell us more about how they maximized the mastery of this case Jay! Also, the light reflecting off of the 3080 is just gorgeous. What a brilliant showpiece.
I think I need one of these cases... I love the look and functionality of it. My next build will go into one of these.
There is only one thing I would change because of this CPU temps, a would clock CPU to 5Ghz instead 5.1/5.2 and then I would probably be able to lower voltage and temps would be better. I think that 100-200mghz would not impact FPS to much and long-term it would maybe be better for system to have lower temps.
Those new cpu temps are WELL within a good range. Those temps aren't going to lower the longevity of the system so it would be needlessly reducing performance for nothing.
I was looking for this case the other day, any chance you could start including what the product is in the description? Especially one with this kind of naming scheme lol?
Same
Loved this episode, the montages are always great and it was awesome seeing a SFF build, more please!
That looks really good! Nice touch with the RGB strip illuminating the GPU!!!
Hey Jay/Phil. In the off chance you haven't seen, on the Cooler Master site the spec sheet says that low profile fans (15mm thick) fit under the GPU riser, which with the two fans under the GPU, it may perform better? Dunno, just a thought is all! I kind of want this case after seeing this vid. Thanks for the amazing content as always!
Nick over at Gear Seekers just released a great follow up video of his review of this case, and among other things he re-tested it with 2 x slim 120mm Noctua's below the GPU. His results showed nice temp improvements with the bottom fans (5 degrees C drop on the GPU with the TG panel) BUT he was using a blower style 3080, so that may be the difference compared to Jays findings.
@@slinkywizard yeah i think in this specific instance the weird temps are due to the way the coolers configured on the founders edition.. if it was more of a standard cooler the extra air going through the bottom of the cooler would probably help.
The bottom fan will help. Bring it down to a low RPM where is just barely filling air in the case and not blasting air past the GPU like it's doing in your config. Also the GPU design is also a problem, get an aftermarket from MSI or EVGA.
Looks great on your desk, Phil!
I was curious about how it would behave with fans in the bottom, so nice to see that tested.
Thanks for the video, I'm way super late but been looking up cases and ideas for a build for my gf and I'm leaning to a small itx build. What first drawn me to the NR200P was the Sakura Edition (I know I'd pay way more than I should) is something that she would love a lot and would give me great brownie points. But this gives me ideas about custom wraps for it.
When my gaming laptop idles at those temperatures shown at the beginning.
it's a laptop, that's what they're designed to do.
@@sirmonkey1985 bad design. Because when they throttle is impossible to. Play. 60 fps one second and 24 the other is not a good experience
I wonder what 2x NF-A12x15 running at low rpm on the bottom would do to the system. I don't know what rpm the lian-li fan was running at but if it was pushing past the GPU then I guess it was fairly high rpm / pressure. Oh well, yet another build idea that I need to put to test.
That would indeed be interesting to know. Although I do also suspect the orientation of the GPU with that particular Blower-Style cooler would create perpendicular Airflow regardless of the additional Fans Speed, which in turn would hinder the overall Cooling inside of the Case. That would explain why the extra Fan caused the Temperatures to increase instead of decreasing - at least in my addled Brain that makes sense. Not sure if lower Fan Speeds would mitigate that problem in any significant way and preserve any benefit to the Airflow.
This. Along with something to give it another inch of breathing room to pull air in at the bottom. I think part of the reason the 140 bottom intake didn't work very well is just that the case feet aren't tall enough.
If there was a mesh for the front side with a fan mounted. Maybe a a 140 fan for intake.
@@ryanhauser3014 True. A side- mounted Fan *could* help with the Airflow and not impede too much, but there might not be enough clearance between the side-panel and that teeny-tiny monster of a GPU mounted vertically.
The video editing of the build is INSANE! great work!!!! I bought this case based on this video and I love it. Thank you 🙂
The transition at 7:13 is top notch!
The cable management you have to do in that case is demanding....thanks for raising the bar for us all!
I wake up everyday and think to myself "I'm so glad I didn't panic sell my 2080 ti like a shmuck" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same.
you should add two slim 120mm fans on the bottom as intake, should help a bit with temps - noctua a12x15 chromax work nicely.
EDIT: Saw the end and that was a bit surprising, would try lowering the RPM's and see if that makes a difference, slim fans wouldn't push as much air as that 140 25mm fan anyway
Annnnnd ... seeing this seconds after I replied with the same thoughts. lol
I totally agree with all of this. And maybe orienting the GPU down would be the most optimal for thermals. But not "sexy". *shrug*
@@Lighteningskye it's probably because it's an FE card that pushes air through, a regular gpu that exhausts in all directions would see more benefit of the air being pushed up. Still think it should help though
Oh man, i LOVE this mean "reactory" look with the grill-sidepanel !!! Nice 😍
That music during the montage was awesome!
I would highly recommend changing the AIO to to arctic liquid freezer II. At least 5C off guaranteed. They also come with RGB now days.
Hi, I'd like to ask. What is the software of the sensor panel? Thank you
AIDA64
Phil's montages keep getting better and better! That's some of the most satisfying stuff ever :)
Phil you mad lad, this is insane editing
I'm so confused, you should definitely be able to fit 2 full size fans under the vertical GPU. It feels like choosing a sub-optimal configuration.
or just horizontal mount it
@@Dee0426 can't horizontal mount the GPU in the MAX, without heavy modding that is.
To me it's the biggest downside of this version. Should they ever release a version with a modular backplate like the o11 mini, it would be the definitive ITX case.
@@EvernooBE I’m a planning on building with this case with the GPU horizontally, can you explain why it would be hard? I am planning on getting the Kraken Z63 as my cpu cooler and mounting it on top.
@@wohoo245 The MAX's backpanel only has a (swiveling) slot that allows for vertical mounting of the GPU. The regular NR200P comes standard with a horizontal setup but you can easily add a vertical mounting bracket.
In other words if you buy the MAX you are pretty much forced to use an AIO (which is still a very good one), with the regular NR200P you can do whatever you like, but you will not be able to fit your AIO on top without a top hat modification to the case. Check out "Machines and More" channel for in depth explanation of the NR200 in all it's variations. The guy wrote the handbook on the case.
Imagine if everyone had a brick of gold, but luckily I was able to purchase a rx 6600 xt at only 150 dollars over msrp, I didnt know being this lucky felt this bad ;)
Ive got the shift. Put a fabric panel on the gpu side. Used a stock amd cooler on the top (now bottom) to push more air in. And flipped the case up side down with some mods.
Temps are fine and looks are superb.
I love this case. Coolermaster has nailed it recently with their cases.
Jayz always finds a way to make everyone's day happier, he inspired me to create my own UA-cam channel❤️💖
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Love Cooler Master cases. Currently rocking one for my build.
Nice B Roll Jay and the editing is on point Phil
Max Master Max to the Max.
Nice to see manufacturers take notes out of Duty Calls's book.
if you ever lose Phil, just know your channel would take a major hit. his video skills are top notch and details are insane. Keep up the great work!!
Cant wait to snag the 200p MAX when it officially comes out!
That blue looks sick with that case i like it a lot!
8:00 This is a really awesome looking PC. This Founders Card combined with that Lianli Fans in this case. Oh boy. I WANT THAT!
My itx build is currently in an evolv shift from phantek. It originally had the tg panels. It used to get really hot. Swapped them for the air side panels and temps are great now. Also running m22 aio with pump in the rad.
that music that kicks in when they clean out the pc and components is so good
Loved the detailed parts cleaning, don't see many others showing that
Phil totally nailed the montage in this one. Nine thumbs up!
Hottest temp in my 3080-3700X rig now hits about 66c. Just added a ML240L V2 with push pull.
I made a nice chimney effect with 8 Sickleflows in a Neo Air case. Kind of small, mesh front, top exhaust.
Four front intakes on the 240, 1 lower rear intake where the io covers go. Pulls in under the triple fan 3080, all up and out through 3 exhaust. Even at full blast, can't hear a thing...over the window AC unit right next to it.
I saw a review on cooling on this.
2 120mm 15mm thick fans in bottom exhausting and top fans reveresed to sucking got better temps with glass side panel.
Best with metal side panel was top and bottom exhausting for negative pressure.
Really liked the new case with the glass side panel over the perforated metal one.
Wow. Love the transition between case side panels. Wonderful montage. :)
Goddamn, Phil. You killed that montage. So good.
Diggin the toons during the build sequence.
Been binge watching your videos big fan building the confidence to hardline water-cool my pc 😬
RTX 3080= Brick of Gold.....great video.
Congrats Phil. This case is way cooler. 😎👍🍁🦋🌿
Montage so good I have to watch not twice, but 4 times.
haha the song used for the build montage is actually the song used for the jingle of the most watched French Twitch show (called PopCorn)
Here i am three years later running in the Shift with no problems with a 3080 FE and 8700K @ 5ghz.
Havent had a failure in my AIO either. Just tap the thing occasionally. And the tubes need to be at the top, not the bottom.
That side grill looks awesome!
When I build a new PC, I will probably use this case, as I like the form factor and cooling potential a lot.
But for now, my pandemic-budget PC completely suffices for me, even with the budget parts I used, so that's going to take a while and other interesting cases might be release then.
that funky disassembly beat though, good choice of music!
Love that bass! I had to track it down, it's "Gloria Tells - Stays The Same (Instrumental Version)"
Phil is like my PC will get best broll of the year.
That was satisfying to watch. WOW 😳.
The detriment of the bottom fan I generally found very interested. I really like this case.
I've done this build, 9900k and 2080ti back then...that case is very hot for sure.
A nice little example of how adding a fan can actually be detrimental to cooling efficiency. This is because cooling efficiency is not just about airflow volume, it’s about how you use that airflow effectively.
That is a nice looking grey on that MAX case.
Jay What a Good Friend always thinking about Phil's pc
Thanks Jay, another great video. Super interesting with the extra fan.
Yes the montage is mint, please do more!
We want Phil's laugh compilation! :D I love those laughs, one of the best part on the channel