Cooler Master NR200P V2 Review - they updated the MAX?
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- The Cooler Master NR200P V2 is here! Hold your horses... it's quite different than the V1 though, so let's take a look and see what happened.
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0:00 Intro
2:05 Case Features
4:09 GPU Clearances
7:00 Other Updates
9:03 Build Experience
9:57 Airflow Configuration
11:14 Thermal Testing
13:23 Recommendations
17:17 Conclusion - Наука та технологія
Wow, remembering when the NR200 originally launched... the hype was immense. Good times. It doesn't feel that long ago.
They sacrificed everything in order to put a rad on top. 1 step forward 4 steps back.
As a V2, surprisingly feel like it somehow got worse with less options. Appreciate you sharing and doing an overview. Like you said, seems like a side iteration more than anything else for watercool specific build. Still no Matx option as well
no matx support, reduced air cooler support, forced vertical gpu mount, and charging more for it. "disappointing" puts its mildly. its still a good case it just feels like a missed opportunity.
@@adpt_musicThe V2 changes killed off the key reasons why you would get an NR200 in the first place. Incredible.
@@ryanlemieux3323 well, the original NR200 v1 will still be available, for those who prefer that.
@@little_fluffy_clouds For how long? Better never be discontinued!
@@ryanlemieux3323 I don't know, I don't have access to Cooler Master's product plans, but if you really want one, I'd say buy one now and put it in a cupboard :)
I'm glad I have my V1 thanks to you and all the excellent video guides.
i love your SFF-focused reviews, thank you!
As someone who is planning his next build in an SFF, I appreciate your videos a lot.
I built in the NR200P original. Air cooled Zen 7 7700X & 6800XT. Intake at the bottom and rear, exhaust out the top. It's cool and quiet under almost all work loads. The only thing I would have wished for is a front USB C. This 'new' version is a disappointment in comparison to the original design. It's hardly an upgrade, as you have adequately demonstrated. I half expected the new version to provide miniATX supported mobos, which it is so close to as is, but to go down the route of only water cooled for an 'upgrade' without even a nod towards better cable management is a strange choice. Nice review. Clear and thoughtful as usual. Thank you.
*Zen4** R7 7700x. Zen 5 wont even be realeased till fall this year.
The front USB is the only thing that deters me. I don't want to stand up just to see where the port is
Same config here but with a 5800 x3d stays in mid 60 to 70's while gaming and 3090 ti stays in the 60's at 1440p
Really appreciate your honesty on this one. You were the first channel I searched for given your expertise with this case.
I wish I could buy just the new vented side panels for my V1.
As a beginner in the market for SFF build, thanks for this! Great review.
Nice review. For an air cooled & no riser cable SFF builder, this version is a hard pass. Good to hear that the V1 should still be available.
i just built a nr200p max this past weekend. thanks for all your past videos!!! the only thing i'd want from the V2 is the usb-c but i'll survive.
thanks for the honest review that reaffirms the audience's worries when it was originally announced.
It has been available for weeks, even over a month in the US. Here in EU, Cooler Master does not even know when it will launch and one store in Germany takes preorders for July 30 delivery. Thanks Cooler Master! Edit: got confirmation from the store: Cooler Master told them the case will be released end of JULY! Great...
And the M1Evo v2 is months away too. Not a good time to start a new build...
Killing proper tower air coolers to make room for *top* mounted radiators seem like such a horrible tradeoff, for a mass-market case.. Feels like a misstep to me.
They're not forcing you to buy it... and version 1 is still readily available. Ppl always crying about something. The fact is you currently have a choice, depending on your needs you can buy either version.
For your info I have both versions as well.
They should've called it NR200P AIO,H2O or whatever instead lol
Or just NR200P Max Lite would work as well
At least here in the UK, the non-max NR200 (& P) is extremely scarce (I'm importing one). I'm air cooling it so the V2 wouldn't work even if they do decide to sell a non-max version here
@morallygreyarea9241 you can air cool I'm the v2...idk where you guys are getting that info from. The best aircoolers for itx case like the terra, t1 can work in this case. You have 67mm of clearance for cpu cooling.
@sspringss2727 67mm aircooling space, with a gpu in front of it, in a case this big, so why would you ever buy it for air cooling at that point? that's really not a realistic option. The issue is the original nr200 actually supported a bunch of different builds, with a decent price by itx standards, this new one pretty much fails to meet the same budget category when it only supports liquid cooling and needs a riser cable. This looks like just the max case, except without the whole discounted bundle of included parts, which was the only reason i can see to buy the max in the first place. it's kinda just a niche within a niche within a niche
Bought my NR200P (non-max) a few years back because of your original reviews. It's been a great case. Biggest downside originally was the default coolermaster fans. They used to resonate the whole case. But some Noctuas later and it's nice and quiet.
I have an NR200P Max with the same crappy fans. They would ratte at high fan speeds. I never replaced them (too lazy to pull it apart), just capped rpms at 75% and it's quiet.
I originally had the white NR200P, but I recently switched it out for the Fractal Terra. However, I must admit, I'm strongly considering going back to the NR200P because it's truly a fantastic case.
at least somebody has told you how much clearance you will have for a 280mm radiator. tnx, man!
Good video and glad to hear more will follow. I'd like to ask for more visualization though. Like when you talked about airflow configs a rough schematic with green and red arrows would have been really helpful. Just show the schematic for as long as you talk about that specific airflow config so its easier to follow. Also a pro&con list at the end might help with reviews in general. To make it more visually appealing do the cons red and pros green, and make it as overlay, semi see-through, so that we can still see you talking in the background
Thanks for the info. I just started running this case this past week. After having restart issues with the Dan4h2O which other's seemed to have due to the riser cable i moved my build to the OG NR200 then to the v2. I wanted that top mounted rad along with the USBC in the front. Sure its not as sexy as the Dan4 but I was looking for something more reliable.
still got my nr200 orange will probably stick with it till the day i die
I much prefer my original NR200. I have a AIO dual rad on the side taking in fresh air from outside, as well as my founders at the bottom taking fresh air from outside, with top exhaust taking it all out. It jsut makes more sense, even for liquid.
A flow through cooler GPU makes more sense to build in the NR200P V1, but as seen in the temp charts in this review, using a traditional axial fan GPU, the V2 is within margin of error to the V1.
Man it’s nice that this awesome little case getting updated but I’m with you they kinda went backwards with only 1 option of cooling and gpu mounting the reason a lot of us liked it bc of the versatility and option that the Original offered
Both versions are readily available to purchase, buy what suits your needs. If you're not in the market for the case overall why complain?
@@sspringss2727 not really a complain more like constructive criticism 😅but like you said it’s good that we have both as options then only having one
@@sspringss2727
tl:dr: People observe the market, want to see things improve in the SFF space in hopes that the newer options are attractive, worth the price, and potentially affordable for entry level budget builds(say 450-700USD or less)
You might hate the complaints or constructive criticisms, but let them cook, these things may wake up companies into seeing what they need to improve or fix.
Non-tl;dr:
to be fair, if there's a issue that a person sees with a case, be it customer, potential customer, or just a observer, doesn't hurt to call out your grievances. Time and place for everything sure, but I'm sure that most folks want to see the SFF Market improve and improve, so more attractive options can be available. mind you, Since CM blew it out the water with the V1 NR200p and NR200, I believe most people had some expectations of the V2 being greater as a successor.
And looking at the v1 NR200p, the V1 did have more variety, be it: normal gpu mounting(Though the slot size may be debatable for the DUMMY THICC 40 series cards), better clearance for cooling(say: large air coolers if AiO aren't a builder's thing), and switching to side facing from normal GPU mounting (for the V1 NR200P).
To add on, and I preface this by saying that CM changed their mind on the V1 NR200p Discontinuation, CM at a time had wanted to replace the V1 with this.The V1s were cheaper, had more variety in building, and based on the Cooler size that you had , or wanted to get, you'd have to go for a AiO ,or a low-profile cooler(which may get choked by the GPU preventing airflow from the side).
Now if they want to make this case feel like an actual upgrade, (since criticisms should have some ideas here and there, though this will never happen), they could take the gpu back bracket to 11:
-have it be a full back bracket that can switch between a sandwich layout(Motherboard and PSU mount plate attachable in the middle with the gpu mounting behind it, think of the DanA4 ), or a normal layout with the gpu in front(a.k.a the layout you're seeing here).
-Third full bracket option, the normal bracket for a simple layout that won't require a riser cable(Similar to the original NR200 ) which could allow builds with a larger cooler.
Let them cook. complaints(when they all talk about a singular problem that they see, leading to the main root issue that needs fixing), and constructive criticisms can build a better product, or at least light a fire when needed.
@Unhuman-0111A how is it to be received as criticism when they are both being sold. If/when they only sell one then you can make that argument but right now that's much to do about nothing. I have both versions and both use an aio... one has hpu mounted vertically and the other horizontally. Before I redid my v1(now my wife's) the gpu was vertically mounted with my aio at the bottom(yes yes ik about the caveats).
I have a nr200p max. If you install 6/32 motherboard stand offs on top of the GPU bracket and secure the GPU on top of those standoffs it will raise it enough to fit 2 120mm fans. I run mine with the fans pulling air through the Rad and exhausting out through the bottom. Thermals have been great so far. 7800x3d and 7900xt.
Great review. The V1 is far better for air flow. I agree with your opinion that this V2 is better suited to water cooling.
thanks for the video. I really like my nr200 but i was able to get two 240 rads in it with a horizontal gpu mount so i think it's a better option for watercooling than this case.
The OG was pretty much perfect. Side intake for my Noctua C14S, bottom intake for the GPU, and it was the coolest ITX case I've ever used. Sadly had to move to mATX for the extra PCIe slot for a 10G NIC or else I would still be using the OG three years on.
I think the next case you should be checking out is the Thorzone NanoQ S and R version
Aside from air coolers, the NR200/NR200P would also accommodate very specific microATX motherboards and had an option to install an ATX PSU with an optional bracket. Neither of those are possible in this case.
FINALLY Cooler Master has created the perfect SFF case and they even include a pcie 4.0 riser..
I´m happy that you finally can use a 240/280 AiO while using regular fans. Not like the top rad mod where you had to use slim fans which has more noice/less performance compared to regular 120 fans. But for higher tier gpu´s you definitely wanna go regular vented panel for airflow. Still a beautiful case.
Before I had to use a noctua cpu cooler which I still beg for to come one day in white for my white build. But now I can run a white AiO at least to improve the looks.
Would like to see an updated NR200P Max with a USB-C port on the front panel. Yes, I could build my own using this, but it was convenient to get the PSU and AiO pre-installed, with neat custom-length cables. In the end, I've sold my v1 Max and moved to a Lian Li O11 Air mini, instead.
Thanks great review. I was wondering do you know what is the thickest AIO that will fit at the top? Trying to figure out which ones will work.
Cooler Master should offer one of those glass on top and mesh on the bottom side panels like on the Lian Li Q58. Let me peek inside without hurting GPU thermals.
Good review. What is the dimension of AIO coldplate that we can install here? More than 55mm?
I'm pondering a SFF build built around those MinisForum ITX motherboards. This case may work for that, but I'd need to verify clearances for the heatsink + 120mm fan on it. I was also looking at an M1 Evo, but who knows when version 2.0 of that will be available.
doesn't seem to be an improvement over the OG for flexibility.
uff, nice all white case with nice touches... at least could have been if they haven't made it less versatile
Great video, Do you think this V2 would fit the Tuf 4090?
If you're on a more extreme end you also have the 1100W sfx. If someone can get an msi 4090 in the max I don't see why the v2 couldn't fit something ridiculous. Been waiting for these reviews as I've been on an sff kick lately.
The v2 can do whatever the MAX can and then adds to the functionality in the extended chamber, so even longer cards have more room. The specs for the main chamber between the MAX and v2 should be the same (but not according to the CM specs).
@@MachinesMore I didn't catch it. But is there a release date yet on the v2?
I don't yet have an NR200P v2. But when I get my hands on one I would like to try if it's possible to install fans on the mesh side panel. I think their is just enough space for some slim fans (maybe in combination with a slim GPU). Do you think this would be possible?
I was interested in seeing a V2 with some space optimization and a redone top section for mounting fans, but considering how different and constrained this is compared to the first version, this is an easy pass for me. Got another of what seems to be the last stock in my country of the NR200 for the equivalent of $55, and I'll keep it for big plans sometime in the future.
You should do a video on the Sama IM01
Agreed...this is a step back. The OG NR200 gives you a lot more parts options.
I have a question? What happen if you take new I/O with USB-C (circuit board) and top panel and swap it to NR200P case? The point I'm trying to make is I don't liquid cooler and use Noctua heatsink cooler and use horizontal GPU and I want to use USB-C.
I really wanted the NR200 V1 in black but its all sold out now. Can any mods be done to this to make it take GPU slotted in MB so I can use a CPU cooler like the V1 and also use ATX PSU ??
Will arctic liquid freezer fit ?
Do you know what is the heigh / space available between CPU and vertical mount graphic card? want to get liquid freezer iii 240 but it seems like it might not enough space
Could you take the top panel and io pcb to a v1 and still have top mounted fans? It looks like the top panel has no mounting holes at all - they've moved to the frame. So it would fit but be mostly useless...
My question is, can you replace the rear panel on the V2 with the one from the V1 so you can have horizontal GPU mounting? I kind of feel like Cooler Master took the information they got from the community and said screw that.
whats the dimensions of the glass only on that panel?
Nostalgia
Such a disappointment. Hope they make another version that supports a standard config with air cooling
Thank you for your long-awaited review.
Is Arctic liquid freezer III 240 or 280 argb compatible?
The radiators thickness makes me think, no.
You got it! There is a black or white ARGB version.
@@MachinesMore I think he meant whether those coolers will fit inside this case.
may i ask what idle temps are you getting with the build
Like you said the main appeal of this NR200 "Liquid" case is the support for beefier higher wattage GPUs with larger dimensions. What would the optimal fan configuration be for those using a card like this who wanted to configure this case to prioritize GPU temps? In your ""Max the MAX - An Optimized NR200P MAX!" video the top AIO exhaust, bottom intake setup had significantly better GPU temps (than top exhaust / bottom intake) so I was sad not to say any top exhaust configurations tested in this video. Do you think this would still be the best setup for GPU temps?
Also, would top exhaust allow for improved memory, chipset and VRM temps in addition to the improved GPU temps?
The recommendation to not to a top exhaust applies to the glass panel only. In the MAX testing TG with top exhaust did not yield optimal results. For the vented panel I did test with top + bottom exhaust, and there the dual exhaust performed the best for GPU temps. As for board temps, when I tested the MAX the board temps did not differ by too much, and even then they were far from where it would even start to matter- across all these scenarios you have a good amount of air flowing across the surface of the board from the rad, and that is good enough!
which direction is better to set the air flow? suck it in from the top through the AIO and blow it out from the bottom? Can it be the other way around, suck it in through the dock and blow it out through Aio?
I think the best setup if you are using the vented side panel is exhausting from both top and bottom. Otherwise if you are using the glass then it will depend on which component you want to prioritize. Typically for a gaming setup that will be the GPU.
Are the top panels interchangeable? (except for the PCB cutouts) Could I take the top panel off the NR200P V2 and snap it onto the NR200P V1?
The outer physical dimensions fit, snap in points are identical - however, the front panel IO components/cutout are different- so it doesn’t quite line up in that regard.
Quick question for the community. With a vertical mounted gpu, can you have 2 120 slim mounted fans at the bottom ?
Basically a NR200P max case with few improvements. Giving the user options of AIO's etc. Honestly, I don't like it. Sure its ok for some users but leaves others who want to air cool and not mount their GPU vertically a kick in the rear. I think they all they needed to do is increase some dimensions here and there and give option for vertical/horizontal gpu mount bracket. Sure it would increase the size here and there.. but it could have given ALL users the options of AIO/AIR or vertical/horizontal gpu mount. oh well. I will stick with the NR200/NR200P
Hey, Do you think a MATX motherboard would fit?
Very interesting, how about the use of an ATX PSU. Is still feasible?
Not officially, no.
They should just focus on making a case with matx support and maybe keep SFX psu support to remain compact ..
Would a 280 AIO with 2x 120mm fans mounted with a Noctua NA-SFMA1 adaptor set be the best fit for this build? Get the full 280 AIO performance while using 120 fans (either T30 or A12x25) to give yourself +/- 10mm more motherboard height clearance if things are tight?
Would a 280 AIO with 140x25 fans fit? You seem to imply that it would not be possible to fit one despite proper 280 AIO support being one of the big selling points of the case?
280 is fine, most “standard” rads fit since they would be 52-55mm thick. The issue with RAM slots only matters if you go 58mm+. I would just go for a regular thickness 280 and if you want to max out performance, at the moment Be Quiet Silent Wings 4 PRO 140 is one of the best 140x25.
@@MachinesMore From all of the reviews I've seen the EK Nucleus CR240 with it's 27mm thick rad outperforms all 280mm AIOs with similar 27mm rads using 25mm thickness fans. The EK CR240 with T30's would be a monster and should fit based on what you're saying.
You'd need a 280 AIO setup with a thicker 38mm rad like the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280 to get better performance and it does not appear there's any hope of fitting one of those in the top of this case. Maybe we'll get an EK CR280 or other competitive 280 AIO with a standard thickness rad soon. And Noctua will finally release the A14x25's.
200p V2 better for aios like the ekwb nucleus
V1 better for aircoolers.
I've setup an arctic liquid freezer 3 in both versions.
Hi! Could you confirm if Front panel IO could be changed so that you could equip the NR200p MAX with the new V2 USB-C front IO? one screw placement looks to be changed but other than that does it fit and with new top panel would it work?
I have the same question! I hope it will be possible
Any Updates to this? if not, when/if you have time would be greatly appreciated! thanks!
would this case fit in a backpack
Peerless assassin 120 mini with and without fan swap vs ss135 and se207xt slim?!
Now I get why my first edition was so cheap, they were clearing stock
They launched v1 at about $75. They've always been cheap. Bought my v1 P version at launch for 95 usd.
@@sspringss2727 somehow i got a V1 P for 40 eur through Amazon. Shortly after went up to ~85 eur which was the regular price
@elago98 you got one of amazon steals... but last I heard cm said both will be selling side by side.
Please please please remove the top brackets thwt hold the 280 rails and put them inside the V1 to see how it works or what’s possible. 🙏
Looking to turn my sons pc into a SFF pc, I wanted to use the NR200P v1 but I can’t find it anywhere. 😢
Hey bro just built a pc in this case, my problem is my pc won’t show on my monitor unless I spam the delete button and go into bios. If I turn it off and press the power button it will go into my desktop but nothing shows on my monitor. I used it outside as a bench test and everything worked fine except one thing which I didn’t test. The riser cable that comes included. Can that be the problem?
It could be the riser but it’s odd you get a vga signal in BIOS but not past that point. Usually it’s all or nothing with riser cables. Is your display cable connected to the graphics card, or the motherboard? I would make sure it’s connected to the card. If you have integrated graphics I would also try booting into windows with it and check your settings.
@@MachinesMore it actually only goes into bios if I cmos it and spam the delete button if not it goes straight into my desktop but nothing shows up on my monitor. Never had that before. It’s like the motherboard doesn’t like the riser cable or something. Because I use it with out the riser cable just fine. The problem is this case needs a riser cable
Yeah, sounds like the riser might be the issue- it could be defective but one last thing to try might be to specifically tell the board to run the slot in PCIe 4.0 mode instead of auto (if your slot is gen 5 compatible). Usually this is under the x16 settings.
I like that front panel cutout for longer GPUs but I prefer air cooling.
I really hope they don't get rid of the original design.. Its far far more versatile. Allows for much better part compatibility and a tempered glass side panel for esthetics. This also shouldnt have had the same name, it suggests the older one would be replaced by this
Hey guys, I am in a dilemma with my first case
It is extremely hard to get this case in UK
NR200P: Ali Express costd £100 ($150ish)
Wait 2-3 months for the UK case to be restocked
NR200: US Amazon for £140ish
Any advice on what to do?
can I fit a liquid freezer 2 280 in one of those?
I don’t think so, mainly because of the clearance at the top. My reference point was the 240 I setup at 57mm was barely touching the RAM latches so a 280 combo thicker than that would definitely be hindered, LF III is closer 63mm overall.
Could u recommend me an AIO for the NR200P MAX please? Mine is dying :c
I like the EK Nucleus Dark in 240, you could also do the Cooler Master PL240 like I used.
Thanks again for this review! Still havent found the perfect case to replace my NR200, which now sits on its "face", because I needed less footprint.
In which dimension are the ROG Strix graphics card not compatible ? Lenght ?
It’s officially 357.6mm long, so it exceeds the length (but should fit, just not “officially”). The width doesn’t leave too much room since you also have to account for whatever 12vhpwr connector you use, so watch out for cabling at the top.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the reply. I'll stay with my modded NR200p V1 anyway
I hate how they discontinued the V1 for this.
Cooler Master shot themselves in the foot by only having the vertical GPU mount. They were trying to save money by using a design they already had tooling for instead of making a true v2 version. The sama IM01 is the closest thing you can get to an nr200 with an aio.
Does it fit a 4080 TUF?
Yes, on paper it should, utilizing the extended chamber. You’ll want a 90 degree 12vhpwr cable though.
Now you can fit the gigantic Gigabyte 4080 gaming OC here.
I'd rather keep my nrp200max and replace the cooler master aio for the newer ones from Asus, Artic, EK..etc or hunt down a fractal torrent nano.
So then RTX 4080 rog would fit in v2 or not? It's a bit unclear to me and this is kinda a blocker for me.
Should fit. I was just pointing out that the official number for the case is ~1mm too short.
Why are all the perforations on this case a different pattern? The back exhaust, the bottom grill, the psu shroud, the pcie slots, the top mesh, every single one is different, kind of incoherent looking
It is a better max and way, way worse vanilla. man, this sucks.
Such a shame. I loved building in the OG.
nr200 should just be a sandwich at this point
I’ll pass. Nr200 v1 with 5800x3d with TR PS 120 SE and MSI 4080 Ventus deshrouded. Total of 6x AF12 Noctuas. Dead silent system! After two SFX builds with AIO I am back on air cooling and love the simpler approach and aesthetics. No RGB!
If anything it seems to at the very least is giving you the opportunity to install bigger GPU's and better. Aio's with better performance compared to cooler master. That's about it
It's not 🚀 science fellas, if you don't like v2 buy v1. Machines n More I love what you're doing. Keep it up.
They should have made it slightly bigger to accept mATX motherboards.
That's what the NR400 is for
Meh, Im good with my V1 I guess…
Glad I never bought one .. The Gpu blocks the view of the AIO pump on cpu . No space behind the motherboard placement for any cable management . I went with Lian li H20-A4 and the Meshlicious for both my builds. Just too much plastic , cheap looking . I wouldn't pay any more than £40 ( approx $60 US)
sadly, this is not a sff case anymore :')
I won't have water cooling. I won't have a riser cable. Thus, I won't have this case.
They are not forcing you to buy it. If you want to use a big tower cooler buy v1, if you don't buy v2... it's that simple and in v2 you have 67mm clearance to use an aircooler.
How did I deserve that tone in your reply?
@@ronstewtsaw what tone? Why are ppl so sensitive now a days. I simply said cooler master is not forcing you to buy v2...v1 is still being sold.
Compare the tone of your original statement to this: "If you want to use a big tower cooler buy v1, if you don't buy v2. Even in v2 you have 67mm clearance to use an aircooler." Helpful instead of patronizing.
@@ronstewtsaw grow up... they're no tone... your comment insinuated someone was making you buy v2.
More like NR200 V0.5
This is like a sandwich case, but worse.
Honestly, I don't like it. Such a shame.
pc cases looks to old ... nothing special... its air cleaner more than a pc..
Jonsbo d31 and d30 are far better than this case..