5 SIGNS you ARE an EP (ENFP, ENTP, ESTP, ESFP) | Ne and Se Dominant
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Diane and I list 5 signs of the EP personality type (ESTP, ENTP, ENFP, ESFP).
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I am glad you kept making the distinctions between Se and Ne dom. Because most people know the connection between EPs and chaos. But for some reason think only on sensory chaos and not intuitive chaos. For some reason, people think Ne doms, are just like Se doms, but more random. Which often is not the case at all.
Ne doms can be good with sensory chaos, in a disassociated way, but not as someone that interacts with the sensory chaos. Se doms, can be good with intuitive chaos, but not good interacting with it. There is a crucial distinction, because while both can be comfortable with chaos in general, when they interact with the opposite to their dom, they will use inferior function. So Ne doms, will interact with the sensory using Si, while Se doms will interact with the abstract using Ni. Which means it won't come natural and as often. So in sensory chaos, Ne doms might just be observers, taking it all in to create new connections.
As an ENTP myself, while sensory chaos doesn't bother me that much, I do not look for it either nor thrive in it. I just sit back and relax while everything is on fire, but if I have to act or react to it, I am screwed. 90% of the time, I am craving and looking for new things to learn, new ideas and topics, new connections in my brain. I am constantly wanting my brain to be stimulated, not as in I am easily bored kind of way, more that I want to challenge my brain. Once at work, they banned youtube and all pages and apps where I could consume media. I used it 95% of the time, to learn new things. Almost all the time I am looking at educational videos, about any and every topic I can find. Anything I can learn form, is welcomed, even if I have no use for it. However, when they banned such apps, I was losing my mind, at just one week of that happening, I was considering quitting my job. I couldn't work, without having my brain stimulated, having new things to learn.
But I am not an impulsive person, so I did not quit... but my boss knew very well I was not happy with that decision. They then allowed me to use youtube again, if I showed with numbers I was doing my job... Of course I did, and I am still working at the same place.
The difference I see between my Se dom brother and me, is that my Se dom brother is very very impulsive with what is happening at the moment. He needs to act NOW! While me, time... time.. is simply an abstract subject to me. I do not need to act in the moment, I can simply dissociate. I can sit back, relax in the chaos and think, of all the possibilities, ways it could be fixed, etc.
Before making decision I always want to gather as much information as it is humanly possible. Even on little things, like buying something, I will just spend a lot of time, looking at all the options and possibilities, think about it. And I might buy it several months later, after I have had all the info I think I can get. My Se dom brother, he just buys it the moment he thinks he needs it.
But, My Se dom brother, doesn't jump from idea to idea, like me. He is not as chaotic as I am in the way of talking and explaining things.... I am extremely, extremely impulsive in the idea processing department. Just look at the mess of what i have wrote. I can continue writing and writing and writing about he topic. In fact, i still think I am leaving a lot of info out. And I just want to continue writing and exploring all the possible ideas. But I know people get mad at Ne, because of that.
He might not use Ni that often, but his Ni is unmistakable. EPs might characterize on the chaotic nature, but they aren't 100% chaotic. I won't be chaotic in the sensory, my brother won't be chaotic in the abstract. Funnily enough, my brother thinks he is Ne dom, but he finds my chaotic thought processing, and ability to talk a lot if he lets me, quite annoying. He doesn't like when people change topics in conversations, but he is quite random in what he likes or wants. So naturally he thinks he is an Ne dom, because Ne doms are random, right?... when he shows absolutely no sign of Ne and even gets annoyed by Ne.
If you are like an EP, and think you are Ne dom, but you are often way too laser focused on the idea department but are easily bored and need constant stimulation and experiences.... But more importantly, get so annoyed by the amount of info and idea exploration I just did... you might not be an Ne user. Ne doms, have this need to explore ideas, I can't help it. But to use Se, it is something I might do occasionally, and only with other people. I am comfortable doing nothing, but thinking and learning. If you however, have this need to be stimulated, you might get easily get bored when doing nothing, find trouble focusing when learning and or do not find it that interesting, get mad at chaotic conversations, it is quite possible you are not an Ne dom.
been wondering about this when reading through some internet channels like Quora or Reddit. So many so called EPs were like "too long did not read lol" while I just wanna know everything that could be relevant for the topic. I'm sure after reading your comment I'll refer to it in my mind in the future to make a distinction between Ne and Se, so THANKS!
xNFP thanks for this essay! 🙂
Distinguishing Ne and Se can be complicated at the beginning as Ne-Users and SP-types can live a similar lifestyle and be quite independent.
I also like learning new things (have started four foreign languages, two of them at school), spent too many years at university in interdisciplinar studies (with geography as frame of it) and liked it ... But Fi demands more emotional processing.
Something about discussions:
I started a blog in 2001 just for fun. Years later, the blogosphere became more disciplined and professional. It became useful, so there were more and more blogging SJ-types I guess.
Then a new English word appeared in German: "derailing". You had to stay on topic! So if you find an aspect interesting that has to do with the blog post indirectly (or Facebook post), you have to shut up! How cringe. What is called derailing today was normal in early 2000s. It was blog culture.
The only point I anderstand is time. It takes time to moderate discussions on your blog. I respekt if someone wants to concentrate on something or have their own rules on their webspace. But the tone was really authoritarian sometimes.
10:18 It never feels or seems like a strange connection to me when I make an association with something in a conversation, it always feels very natural and obvious and I find myself just as surprised by the reaction of surprise I get from the other person/people as they're surprised by what I said XD
What made you think you were a ne dom?
Accurate, well done!
As an ESTP you can also bombard me with sensory stimulus without overwhelming me.
When I was younger I used to be like this in a more modest way, so I used to think I was an ENFP, but now I’ve changed completely, I work in chaos and I do things in the last minute but I don’t enjoy it, I just do it in that way because I’m a huge procrastinator, I love novelty and doing new things but it’s so hard for me to start doing something haha
Have been waiting for this one. Definitely helpful. Now I can't wait for the NOT version.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 You two get 5 claps. One for each point you got right on me. I felt like I was being seen on the inside with your 5 signs. Well done indeed!
Hey Joyce. So happy that you are making the trauma disclaimers. That is so important. You are doing a great job!
I’m enjoying these new videos!
OK this is the most relatable. I especially relate to the people pleasing versus my own principles which buts a softer edge to me when it comes to people but tough for everything else
FINALLY!!! I have been waiting for what feels like forever for or for this EP video. Thank you both so much!
By the way, I've noticed a lot of MBTI UA-camrs put EP stuff toward the end of a video. Could it be that EPs in general have short attention span 🐿 once we're done being talked about? Just a theory. 🤷🏾♀️
Makes me think of the summer we’ve been having on the West Coast. Heat waves…like I’m in a time warp where I’m so in the moment and the summer seems endless, forgetting that Fall is just around the corner. Then I get kind of thrown off when it suddenly becomes cold. I do then go with it, but I feel like my flow has somehow been interrupted. It’s hard to explain. Like my mind was never thinking ahead too much.
Ya know for typing as an ENTJ im very adaptable and open to other possibilities/ scenarios occurring n(loosely) plan for those as well. Hate schedule n order but I KNOW how much of that is needed to achieve my end goal of entrepreneurship. That made me an ENTJ🤔 interesting to know if we just adapt or grow some usable traits from other functions(im sure)
Hi Joyce,
I have a quick question, Diane says at 12:56 that ExFPs get stuck in External Productions Loops as a result of not factoring in their introverted feeling? Could you give me an example of what this would look like? Would it almost be always trying to produce some type of socially praised idea of intelligence or academic achievement…or feeling like they have to achieve some type of career success and status? Almost like a TE focus?
Am I understanding that correctly? I’m an ENFP and it totally makes sense, if that is what she is meaning?
I have also witnessed the people pleasing loops in ESTPs, often. I find it fascinating because they are thinking types, but I found that they seem to be most negatively affected (outwardly-observably)by their empathy (ISTPs Too).
ESTPs seem deeply empathetic while simultaneously completely resentful that others have them feeling that way. They have a lot of empathy but feel like it’s a weak feeling to have and really hate when they act in an empathetic way towards others. I haven’t had a chance to witness this in ENTPs, but definitely in ESTPs.
Yeah! That was what we were trying to get at. Here is a video I posted on the ESFP Se-Te loop: ua-cam.com/video/FVGV7XeiMu4/v-deo.html
How can trauma affect your type? I'm pretty sure i'm an intp but i'm a little uncertain because i've faced a lot of trauma in my life and have not confronted it because it is too painful and I don't want to deal with those pesky uncomfortable emotions. I thought I was a fi user but I was under a lot of stress and I think I started using my 8th function in an attempt to find myself or something like that, however whenever I would assert my morals or beliefs it felt cringe and very unnatural. So I reassessed my type and took many different cognitive function tests and I consistently get intp. I also think I turned to fi as a rejection of fe because I haven't been treated all that well by my peers and just others in general. I started interacting with fe in an unhealthy manner such as being very critical of others or blaming them for my faults. Because I have not confronted this unresolved trauma, there's a well of confusing feelings being built up within me that I have trouble understanding. I have trouble understanding myself and why I do the things I do sometimes or why I like certain things which I think is a lack of fi. I have been considered socially awkward and reserved by others, I want to connect but I don't know how to. I have mistyped many times in the past because I realized that I struggle to understand myself which I think is also a lack of fi, I know I prefer ne and si. At this point i'm also pretty sure I use ti because I enjoy taking things apart to figure out how they work and looking behind the scenes to see what's going on and while doing so building up my own logical framework. Sorry for ranting I just want to know the effects trauma can have on your type.
I feel your pain. I wish you the best in resting into, and respecting, who you are. It comes with time and patience with yourself.
As someone with a lot of trauma myself, I can only recommend seeing a therapist. I went to a SE-therapist (Somatic Experiencing) who is trained in releasing trauma. Seeing a therapist will be much more effective than doing personal development through type, if you have trauma. Because type theory can't fix your relationship with other people. We are so influenced by our attachment styles that we have developed as a coping mechanisms as children, that we need some help to form secure attachment to other people.
What is it when you jump at the same time you're analyzing it?
My ideal gf is an EP. I'm also pretty sure most of my best friends have been EPs.
{INFJ}
Now I'm sure i am an EP hell yeaah
It depends for ESFPS and ENFPS. If we aren't in a good mood going to work in a chaotic environment like working in a retail store where there are clothes all over the place. It truly annoys me and if other people are in the way of me trying to organize and pick up clothes. I am an ESFP. I can react right away in an emergency and I do hate being bored. I live in the present and when stressed out I feel like the stressful situation will never end.
Hahaha my hubs calls me the stay at home mind…. Hence the novel writing, starting a business for a while and now Mbti rabbit hole jumping. Yesss this does change with time… we eventually get exhausted. Also, I can teach you how to care less about just making decisions based off of harmony too Joyce, when I’m also not people pleasing. Oh don’t forget the buying planners as peacocking our scheduling and I have heard that why do you need a plan, you’re the first person to break it. Haha but yeah emergency and chaos I sort of finally relax and become much more deliberate. Life is chaos anyway it’s more like it’s moving through entropy while not falling to nihilism and instead finding meaning in it. One of my favorite places is the OR though since it’s so controlled there. I like jobs where you move from chaos to order and yes as I age it’s all about order and schedule. Our nemesis or Vice becomes our life line and life lesson if we let it.
I would suspect that the chaos required for stimulating the Ne-dom is different from the chaos that is required to stimulate the Se-dom. I think the definition of chaos here is blurry - it needs to be clarified IMO 😊.
Coming off the IJ video - "no chaos", this video "all the chaos". 😄 Me an xNFP who knows 3 IJs: ... ahhhh.
5 Signs you are an ExxP: You watched this video on 1.5x while simultaneously reading the comments 😂
Edit - Lol at the term Selectively Anal Slob. That's so accurate for me! I'm super anal about my routine because if I don't my whole life falls apart. My morning skincare, stretches and coffee are the paperclips and chewing gum holding my life together 😂
~ENTP
The boredom, schedule and selectively anal slob part really got me, too. Regular schedules and repeated mundane tasks destroy my will to live. My place is best described as orchestrated chaos. I have a morning routine as well because after a while it all goes out the window. I'll get distracted with nonsense research or get an idea for something ridiculous that *has to be done immediately* and realize in the evening I forgot to each lunch again.
What is external production loop?
My guess is that that's for the ESFPs & ENFPs that would be looping with Se-Te or Ne-Te. That tertiary (3rd position) Extraverted Thinking will make them want to get a lot done, & just go-go-go 🙂
I'm understanding this in a similar way, but need more facts and experience examples... Joyce/Diane?? Please 🙏🏼
This may complicate things, but if you look at some different systems of thought, it may help answer your question:
Looping isn't generally considered healthy in MBTI, but it is considered more the normal state of things for ExFP Jumpers in Objective Personality.
& Katherine Fauvre would say that there was a mistake in the dissemination of the Enneagram when it came to the concepts of Integration & Disintegration- That we actually have access to those numbers at all times, & so it's not so much a 'transformation' into that line of Integration of when we are healthy. You would still be a 9, but have a healthy, balanced ability to reach into 1, 3, 6 & 8. (Plus whatever numbers are in your Tritype).
This is not to say that using Te is unhealthy or should be discouraged for the ExFP, but that balanced use of it is encouraged, & that unless you are going by OP (where it is possibly in more use/more activated), remember that it is not placed high in the function stack & could cause imbalance if pressed on too heavily.
Going into the 'Grip' of the inferior function could certainly feel unhealthy & unproductive, but at the same time remember- It is actually healthy for EPs to dip into their introverted functions sometimes. You just, of course, would want it to be by choice, & not in a depressed or stressed way, but slowing down can help with centering.
Just see it as a 'check engine light.' Is the vehicle overheating? Pull into the fueling station. Do a tune-up 🙂 Each part should be communicating in a healthy way with the other, but when it's not it just let's us know what needs attention; re-balancing.
The extra question disappeared, or at least I can't see it any more. Perhaps I overstepped. If so, I apologize, but maybe it will be useful to someone else. & I too am interested in more content on this channel. Good work Joyce & Diane! Keep 'em coming! 🙂