SIMPLE Fi-Te Axis Definition: ETHICAL ACTION | Introverted Feeling (Fi) & Extraverted Thinking (Te)
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2022
- ENFP Kyle and I talk about the Fi-Te tandem process in more depth.
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What i really like about kyle is how careful and safe he goes about explaining cognitive functions. He kind of allows people of all levels of knowledge to understand because of the amount of context and examples he uses when explaining. As a viewer you can’t ask Kyle to help you understand mid video because you’re obviously not there. But, because of Kyle’s awareness of what he says and how his explanations can come across he clarifies himself or changes his perspective so that it can be understood just a bit more from a different angle. In that I feel it really shows how much knowledge Kyle has about cognitive functions and how qualified he is to educate all who watch.
I think if an enfp has a passion/ interest in any topic , they will always give ample context / understanding ☝🏻
A matured one anyway
Aw, thank you for the kind words! I definitely strive to be the person you describe. 💛 Sometimes I'm more successful than others... 😉
Cognitive functions can be tricky - it's easy to slip into over-generalizing/stereotyping, which then can make it hard to make accurate and reliable distinctions. I want to focus on mechanics (underlying process) instead of emergents (because different functions can do the same thing or come to the same conclusions on the surface, but the 'how' and 'why' is different).
~Kyle
@@kbf81 I have listened to you on many plate forms, you have not fallen short once 🙏🏻 love you work and understanding of self and helping others do the same
Fi values and feelings.. making them work in this real world with Te while passing through Parent and Child functions carefully.. Brilliant clarity. Thank you both Kyle and Joyce ❤🙏 ISFP
This is helpful. I haven't been able to wrap my head around Fi. But this explanation has given me a bit of understanding I didn't have before. I'd like to hear the "nuances" you alluded to.
For myself as an INFP, I often find my Fi is very situation based, and it often feels like a sudden “call to action” from within, usually in relation to another person… like it feels like they are needing help in a manner which I can be there for them, most often as a kind of space for listening to heart related matters, often stuff that they might not typically share in a more public kind of space. When I am really called, it is like I am a confidant who helps to offer clarity and possible comfort… or I can just be an ear, a pond for others to speak to. At other times it is like my conscience suggesting I do this thing or that thing, and if I don’t, I will feel an inner sense of discomfort. It works best when I am in a decent space myself, otherwise I fail to heed or hear calls of others… it’s like I have to put on the oxygen mask first. As for Te… when I am in that space, much of my consideration for individuals totally goes out the window, and Feeling Relational Variables get totally tossed out.
As an INTJ I always see inefficiencies and could spend a ton of energy, but my Fi allows me to pick and choose WHY I would invest myself. If I don’t pay attention to my Fi I could run myself ragged fixing problems that don’t matter to me.
Don't underestimate how much FI-doms are forced to conform to be a part of different systems. With the emotional intelligence they have, it is possible to conform 😉😉 (untill the ethical system is activated - depending on the degree of necessity).
These channel is awesome. I wanna more videos like this. Thank you guys. Greetings from colombia.
I don't have Fi in my first four letters, just watching this so I can understand how Fi works
I could listen to Kyle talk forever! Ironically, I have a coworker who we can easily get on long conversational tangents and he is also Kyle an Ne Dom lolol
All in all, this put really good language to the phenomena for me that helped something in my brain click.
This was fantastic, thank you! 🌷🐇👏
Joyce, you're really owning and killin' these personally. Great job. ✋💪💪
This is phenomenal
Kyle has such helpful insights!
Gonna throw out some personal experience for my fellow Fi doms on how to have more productivity
As an infp that’s really focused on making music Id say that the best way for me to have a work process that actually produces something is balancing the two functions. I’m usually on idle noodling most of the time and when the Fi is like “oh we got something real and valuable here” I let it run wild for a while, have it’s time of the day, but once I got something that passes for a solid foundation I kinda have to force myself to tell the Fi “ok bud, you’ve had your fun but if we’re going to finish something here you’ll have to chill for a lil bit”. In the beginning I used to get mad that nothing turns 100% like its in my head but experience has shown me that if you don’t try to keep that in check nothing will be done.
I feel it works kinda like the diminishing returns principle. the more you let the Fi do Fi stuff- the more authentic the end product, however too much time spent on it and you wont be getting any end product.
LOVED THIS! I resonate with the "suit" that you take off after leaving work or other public place...although I let my emotions out in front of others a lot more now that I'm in my middle-aged years. I started doing that in my forties so I'm more nuanced in choosing when/where/to whom I share them vs just keeping them inside always as I did when I was young. But, yeah it's still very tactical.
Kyle mentions a suit at the end… for myself the equivalent is poker facing, or just not sharing what is happening within me, especially when it has to do with very uncomfortable things. I am usually gauging who I might be able to share with, or just not share at all. If people want to feel good and positive all the time, I will keep the emo part of myself in reserve. I am definitely not an open book. lol
That's a good connection - a suit can constrict/limit like a poker face, and we can hold back from sharing our Fi with others (no matter where it sits in our 'car').
~Kyle
@@kbf81 I remember in Naomi Quenk’s book about being the grip, she mentioned that Introverted Feeling typically involves economy of emotional expression. So I guess sometimes I go into Extra Economy mode as an Fi-Dom. lol. But I can also feel bad for those I finally do let it all out with, when in a safe space with those closest to me… like I don’t want to bother them too much… back to economy mode!
He explain well. I have Te-Fi in the middle, the 2 functions work so well together, that sometimes It's confuse.
Thank you!
And you're right - Te-Fi working closely together can be hard to analyze or separate. They can even look a lot like Fe or Ti on the surface! I think we talk a bit about that in our upcoming Ti/Fe talk... Stay tuned.
~Kyle
Oh Kyle, what an amazing cognitive function detective! When he typed me with Joyce I could feel him working through the stack and then tinkering here, or there to explore what I was using and to even set me off track so he could tell what I would actually want to use. It was bizarre since I got into a flow state with Ne and there was no hiding that thing like I maybe sometimes do ahhaha. Also, yeah fi is strange since I know mine can go on for days into deepness and I have been around a LOT of te users so I can blackbox mine too the problem is when you open that thing back up, or if it gets banged around too much it sort of explodes, or eeks out in all sorts of fun and not so fun ways. I think I feel more at home now that I understand that my fi te has been crafting my whole life and personality etc. It’s the filter I don’t even need to look for since it’s just there and for an ENFP it’s the part that stops us from dissolving into NeSi chaos and keeps us the same person no matter how many scenarios, or experiences that we try on. I think it’s also how we eventually turn more IxxJ stay off my lawn mode when old haha. But yeah, Kyle’s spirit is perpetual childlike glee in exploring mixed with sage like wisdom and next level analytics. Peace out this was great! Do more talks!
Ha - yes, I look like a different person when I'm the interviewer/profiler (I talk a lot less in that context...) - I really enjoy discovering how each profilee uses their functions in unique ways, and it's very fun getting past surface language and drawing out evidence of the actual cognitive function stack!
I'm glad you enjoyed this (and our profiling session)!
~Kyle
@@kbf81 it was a blast and I could tell how your wheels were spinning I felt seen haha. So fun ENFP style!
Ethical Action/Do The Right Thing?
I am infp but i have a really high te
and i think i use more ni than ne does that make me an intj? for example fi 90% te 90% ni 80%
Fi-doms know how to present themselves too, it's just that we do not want to because we like to be as authentic as possible otherwise we would feel pretty bad.
These conversations are great! I love groups like Dave and Shan but the way they explain things just doesn't make sense to me all the time. After learning about personality off and on now for several years these videos are the first time concepts are beginning to click because a lot of the other conversations get into the realm of abstract personal experiences and concept exploration, which is great, but not what my brain uses to starting building a framework.
It's funny, because if Fi is mostly concerned with ethics and relationships, it becomes clear that any Fi-dom, if healthy, can't go around and evaluating the ethics of everyting all the time - it's only used when needed (in relationship stuff/humanity stuff, ie, what's the right thing to do here and what is important to me. Those ponderings surface, when the IxFP is put in a situation that requires some asessment wrt relationships, politics or the future of oneself). That leaves room for a whole lot more stuff happening inside of their brains than just Fi-stuff.
While Te-doms use a lot of energy to fullfill their plans (that Te-Se/Ne combo), Fi is more like a decision making tool that doesn't necessarily imply action afterwards, in the same way that Ti is a decision making tool - or an assesment tool that doesn't require action afterwards. And while it is implied that Ti users ponders over a lot of stuff because of Ti, Fi doms doesn't really ponder over their emotions (or ethics) an equal amount of time (this video also clarifies that Fi doesn't necessarily imply emotional work). Like Ti is a set of logical rules or methods that is applied to stuff, Fi can be a set of already tried and tested methods for assessing ethics, and if this ethical system (hiarchy) is already in place and the major work of building the system is done, the FI-dom doesn't really spend that much energy on ethical assesments in real time. My theory is that the INFP do the same philosophical ponderings as the INTP - and that perhaps a lot of the INTPs ponderings isn't really due to Ti (desicion making function), but due to Ne. Intuition is in itself a pattern making function - and you can argue that these functions themselves contains a sense of logic naturally - otherwise; how would you connect dots?). The only differences between the INTP and INFP wrt. philosophical ponderings could be that the INTP stores the logical deductions as rules for the how the world operates (and refining the rules) (Ti-Si) and the INFP spend their Si storing their ethical system and refining that one.
INFP and INTP will do the same philosophical deductions, but the INTP will most likely remember the conclusions more and store them more in terms of building an internal system of how the world works, while the INFP perhaps are going to do the deduction process allover again to remember the conclusion (?).
I would say that with Fi I'm constantly assessing how events, relationships fit in with my morals/ethics/principles. It's also about whether what I do is a true representation of me and my goals. Because as we get older we have new experiences, these are all subject to change. Conscious or not, that framework is always being referenced and altered if it needs to be.
An ENFP.
For me, Fi is like a "sixth sense" or a set of "vibes". In the way that I don't think most people have to consciously spend a lot of time to register things from the other senses (we don't spend a lot of time consciously processing what we see...we just see things. And I also don't think we spend a lot of time consciously wondering: "Does this thing look/smell/feel/taste good?" It either does or it doesn't and we know that fairly quickly), using Fi doesn't feel like continuously having to reevaluate ethics, vibes, etc., Rather, when thinking about things (Ne) or experiencing things externally (I guess for Se people), there's a similarly quick/automatic 'this vibes well' or 'this doesn't vibe well'.
I think the difference between the Ti of INTP and the Fi of INFP is my guess is that (mature) Ti users would be quicker to come up with internally consistent logic and reasoning, whereas as an Fi user, it's about "vibes" and I'm not too concerned with writing it all down as a rigorous proof. So I like to think that this very comment of mine illustrates the difference. I am trying to explain how things work for me using impressions, images, metaphors, to try to "paint the picture" of what the vibe is like, rather than writing out a logical system.
Passion project :D
Does this create the outcome?
Fi asks how does this affect the individual?
Also, we shouldn't overlook the fact that INFP is almost as interested as the INTP in philosophy and knowing how the world works. The call for action from their Te is heavily overruled by their Ne. INFPs can be as much philosophers as INTPs - which is heavily overlooked in the typing community, giving the INFP a false reputation of being sort of lazy. Which is very wrong in my experience.
They might be lazy in terms of the physical world, but not the mental, where you will be surprised by how much they ponder the world.
while I agree as an Fi user that I ponder things internally, I've come to a point where I realize that I'm not a super fantastic philospher in some sub-areas. For sure, I like areas of philosophy that deal with subjectivity, phenomenology, etc., But philosophy that claims to be "objective" or to minimize the subjective is not something I necessarily excel at. If I have "vibes" about a certain subject, then I will prioritize that above anything else.
Certainly, I would like to believe that my internal vibes, my ethics, my core beilefs are logical, but if there is a conflict between someone's external logic and my vibes, my vibes will take priority every time.
I would say the difference between an Fi and a Ti is not about laziness necessarily (my laziness in the external world feels more like a difference between Ne and Se.). I would say it's more: a Ti wants internal logical consistency (and this may not satisfy external rigor = it's not Te), but as an Fi, it's really more about vibes. I recognize coherence when things "vibe" together, even if I cannot spell it out in a proof. I do think a LOT about my "vibes", more in a less concrete way.
(I understand that the word "vibe" is probably the perfect indicator of this Fi "amorphousness". It's idiosyncratic, it's flexible, I like to think I am making sense, but if it doesn't make sense to someone else, ultimately, I'm not going to change the way I feel.)
It would have been great defining what morality is before talking about what's moral and what's not moral 👍
isn't moral subjective? and ethics is some sort of what the society or the consensus deemed as moral? good or bad?
Is there a specific timestamp that provides context for your comment? I don't recall us making any statements about what is/isn't moral.
In the context of cognitive functions, Fi makes decisions based on ethics/morality, as defined specifically by their personal views/instincts - a self-sovereign evaluation. Te in itself isn't intrinsically concerned with that, but all Te users also have Fi in their cognitive function stack as well and care about ethics/morality > it's just a different relationship with ethics/morality. Other functions may define morality and ethics differently (extraverted J functions get outer world feedback for judgments, introverted J functions look inwards to evaluate 'for myself'). And remember, all people have access to both kinds of J functions (we just have different relationships to that part of our brain).
I don't mind providing definitions if something is confusing, but I'll need a specific quote to help you better.
~Kyle
This is one of the aspects I don't understand. I acknowledge that ethics and morals exist. Without them, society wouldn't be "structured" or safe (Hmmm, Fi-Te working together for structure and safety...) But I see ethics and morals as an obstacle course: How can I maintain momentum without trippng over other people's morals? But, if someone accused me of being unethical, I would be angry about it. If they accused me of being immoral I would probably laugh.
@@AdoptionLawSourceTrinity That's a very EJ way of looking at it, caring about not upsetting whatever laws or limits were established by others (an seeing them as necessary to keep the structure of society intact), but not the self. For FPs, specially IxFPs is frequently the opposite.
moral action, not ethical action