Did God Ordain the Fall for His Glory? (Justin Peters at G3)
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2023
- At the recent G3 Conference Justin Peters said that God ordains sin for His glory. In this video I discuss Hero Syndrome, and the Reformed belief that God needs sin in order to manifest His wrath and His holiness.
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It’s SO sad to me that so many of John Calvin’s followers paint Father Gods as being as sadistic as Satan (who kills, steals and destroys), rather than like Jesus (who came that we might have life abundant)!! Since Jesus said he is the only one who really knows Father Gods character (Luke 10:22), Justin peters is going to be shocked as John Calvin someday when they find out Father God and Jesus Christ are in full agreement about everything Jesus ever did or said about his father!!!
Im struggling too. I dint understand how Christians can reject God's word. Like Acts 4:27-28. Can anyone help me understand why we would do that?
@@kurtgundypredestination is in the bible but it's based on the foreknowledge of God, that is God in his sovereignty knew that all these evils would happen so he planned ahead to make them work out for the salvation of man and the Glory of his most excellent name
@@kurtgundyalso note that Jesus had a choice to reject or accept his crucifixion, he chose to die.
We can't blame God for our presidents either.
"They set up kings, but not by Me;
They made princes, but I did not acknowledge them.
From their silver and gold
They made idols for themselves-
That they might be cut off."
Hosea 8:4
So it's not always God that puts kings and presidents in place. We have a part to play.
my my my what a messed up view of God by Not Just-in Peters! What a mess. it would seem that him and those like Him lack the revelation of the genuine heart of The Father. God have mercy!! Good job on this video dear brother. Thank you for your valuable work. They miss some very basic truths like, " The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly." John 10:10, and James 1:13, "And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else. 14 Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. 15 These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
16 So don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow." (NLT)
What a mess Calvinism is - Justin P said God has not ordained sin but he decreed it! God's not schizophrenic. They say they have a higher view of God but it's actually a lower view because they think some humans on a small planet in the universe having free will means God isn't in control. Then he said without sin God could not put his holiness on display. There's no sin in heaven and I'm sure the full holiness of God is on display. Everyone should watch these videos of Justin Peters before they believe everything he says about other ministers, since he is most of the time more 'off' than they are.
Comments here on this video will be interesting LOL.
Thanks Rod
FYI, your a bit of a hero in the spiritual realm in my household.
Poor Justin,
I’m noticing a strain and pain in Justin
Justin isn’t looking well, and that’s not good ,
Please keep Rod in prayer and also Justin
✌️
I appreciate the address of a Calvinist' doctrine. This is a big one and needs to be refuted whenever the occasion presents itself as it did it this G3 Conference.
4:30??? "Without sin God cannot put his holiness on display...".. Hmmmm was God's holiness not on display in heaven before sin was 'found' in Lucifer? What about at the end when Lucifer and his angels and all the unlucky, unelected, reprobates are eternally gone in Hell, and all the elect reign in Heaven with Christ Will God's holiness no longer be on display in eternity? Do these people ever really listen to themselves?
Good call,
Man I can’t believe that finite created humans can somehow “ rob” GOD of glory honour and praise.
Really , how small is Justin’s God ?
@@brendaleehayter8464 🎯 Or their contention that God 'gains' more glory in the process of decreeing all the evil they cannot avoid attributing to him according to their preferred definition of 'sovereignty' and God's meticulous control of 'whatsoever comes to pass'. Calvinists would have us believe God is literally playing cosmic checkers with himself. Ironically, they rightly protest all the social evils in society (i.e, rape, murder, & abortion), while simultaneously maintaining it is God who has decreed them to occur for his own 'good pleasure' and to become even 'more glorious' as-if that were even possible.🤦🏻♂ It is a form of insanity.
Excellent understanding 👏
3:19 "God raises up wicked rulers to judge nations... (for doing what he decreed them to do in the first place🤦🏻♂🤷🏻♂) If the United States is being judged... Peter's position is that we are judged for doing what God decreed us to do. CALVIN'S GOD IS PLAYING CHECKERS WITH HIMSELF! I had a Calvinist friend who complained a lot about Obama (me too... just sayin'😎) But then he'd argue it was wrong that our Founders in the American Revolution had risen up against God's approved authority in King George... Even tho they all proclaimed it was the providence of God they won the war! Then I pointed out that according to Calvinism Obama was "God's man for the hour" and "who are you ... to question God"🤣The look on his face was worth $1000! It's like when people get caught up in the web of Calvinist theology they lose their ability to 'think'.
Then they call us the heretics 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly. LOL 😂
Peters remains to me as he has been - a very suspicious character. I can see why people would fall for his golly-gee, country boy act. I just do not buy it. I see a Liar.
Healing brings the glory of God. Plus fully human n fully alive is the glory of Gof
Absolutely not. When the fall happened, Adam and Eve chose to disobey God. Out of their own free will, Adam and Eve chose to rebel against what God has said. When God created everything, it was good and that was His intention from the beginning. Adam chose to disobey and Sin and destruction came in the world, not because of God's sovereign will, but because mankind chose to fall into sin and rebellion. From that came Jesus, who died and rose again to save all who will believe on Him and have everlasting life.
Exactly.
Yeah, Justin doesn't glorify God as much as he tries to explain his theology. God having 'Hero Syndrome' is far far from who He is!! God would be glorious without the fall of man!!
Justin has a 'stale atmosphere' about him when he teaches. No good news, just another argument that I can't praise God about. Where's the good news?!! It's another opinion that Justin imagines to 'set people' free from charismatic error, when he is the one who errs!!
Exactly
Watching from Nigeria. Thank you for what you are doing sir
Great video, it's painful to hear calvinists constantly malign God's character. I'm struggling a bit with the two passages in Daniel and Amos that JP uses. Would you say that God is always sovereignly controlling rulers and disasters or was that just in certain times in the old testament when God was judging certain nations?
Great video, Rod! Truth in every word! Merry Christmas to you and yours, staff, everyone there!
Wow ! Excellently you have exposed and destroyed the blasphemous doctrines & beliefs of Calvinism in your excellent analysis. My respect for you grows day by day ! 😊
@bhaskarpegu: YOU fail to understand what happened in the Garden of Eden. You have no answers for it. Calvin has nothing to do with it. He came 1500 years after the bible was written. The bible declares God's Election. The Lamb's book of life has the names of those whom God would save, BEFORE the world was made. YOU WERE NOT THERE. YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. IN ADAM ALL DIED. Even the name, ADAM in Hebrew, means, MANKIND. Everything that happened to Adam, happened to all of us. God judged sin and we were all guilty, because all of us were IN ADAM. Therefore if God doesn't choose whom he will save, then no one gets saved. And right now, that sounds a lot like YOU. Keep your excuses for calling it "Calvinism". You lie against scripture. If you think that it is unfair that by one man, caused everyone to sin, then ask yourself: Is it fair that by one man, the sins of the world were paid for by an innocent man/GOD? God's WRATH was paid for against sin, but he did not remove sin from everyone; just the believer. YOU WERE BORN SPIRITUALLY DEAD. DEAD. A DEAD PERSON CAN NOT CALL OUT TO GOD. YOU ARE DEAD. GET THE POINT YET? God does the calling, or NO ONE gets saved, and that is to God's glory.
He hasn't destroyed anything. He's shown his ignorance.
Really interesting topic, thanks Rod mate
Wow! God bless!
Isn't someone who makes something its author? If you cause something, force it to happen, you're definitely the author of it. Thus, he is saying "God is author of sin, but we can't use that word. He is the founder, the decreer, and the forcer of sin, but we won't use the word "author" because of James 1:13." It's so horrific. It's hard not to let my emotions get the best of me. I don't even know if I could consider him a Christian brother. At what line do you say, "heretic"?
Thank God I don’t follow the Justin Peters or the Spencer Smiths or the Chris Rosebroughs and you name it anymore. All of them are following such wicked doctrines and twisting scripture. It’s gross.
Spot on!
What does it say about the Glory of God, if it needs sin to be displayed? Appreciate the video
I agree with you amen
I saw that video. They seem so special. Mr Justin said God has to grant U repentance
Im struggling too. I dint understand how Christians can reject God's word. Like Acts 4:27-28. Can anyone help me understand why we would do that?
Where in the Bible does God ordain or decree, as Justin wants to define it.
It is often translated as commanded, appointed, prepared,
with no sense of imposing as Calvinists believe.
His faith is in the Sovereignty, that is control, of God,
not in the Nature and Character of a Living God who wants fellowship with us.
Can he not simply trust Him and lean not on his own understanding.
The "Sovereign God" of Calvinism is not the sovereign God of the Bible
who reveals Himself in a multitude of ways,
most of which contradict Calvinism
I think their "Sovereign God" is an idol
and G3 is looking and sounding more like a cult every day.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter.
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight Isaiah 5:20-21
I have a new theory that explains the fall of man, it will be given in a book about a year from now. It is called The Fallen Ones: Angels, Humans, and Aliens.
Just the thing we needed
This guy is absolutely SICK! I pray for Justin Peters to be delivered in Jesus name. He really is a false teacher.
"Without sin He could not put His Wrath on display..."
God is Love.
God is a Perfect Being.
"I have Wrath and *_I want to_* put it on display to people. If there is no sin then I don't get to have My wish!!!"
Well he is the one who has "a healthy theology of the Sovereignty of God" so he would know better then the people
who think what he said sounds absurd.
Decreeing = authoring. Couldn't be more simple.
So sin must be a necessity to bring glory to God? These Calvinists couldn’t even think with a simple common sense! If this is not heresy, then what is?
haha 😂 that was a good one... "hero syndrome" ... but what tragic theology, though... "God has decreed everything that comes to pass"... it stinks...
Rod, are you really implying that you'd far rather the fall had never happened? Or am I reading too much into what you're saying here?
If the fall hadn't occurred there would be no sickness, death, crime, war ... etc. Nor would any people have ended up in hell, which was created for the devil and his angels. So I think most people would prefer that scenario over what we have now. But the point of the video wasn't my preference regarding the fall, but the Calvinist claim that God ordained the fall. If God ordained it then we don't have free will, and if we do have free will then God didn't ordain it.
There are certain things that God can do that man cannot do
God can get the glory for things that if man would do it would be terrible
You don't have to be a a.calvinist to believe that
EXCELLENT VIDEO BROTHER!!
True.
But Now Use That Same Analogy For
The Church's "Free Will Doctrine" From God.
That, God Gives Free Will Sin-Choices.
Instead Of Commandments Not To Sin.
God Telling Adam & Eve Which Trees To Eat From In The Garden.
And God Telling Adam & Eve Which Tree NOT To Eat From In The Garden.
That Was Not God Giving Adam & Eve Free Will Choices.
Whether To Obey Him Or Not.
God Did Not Say, Here You Choose.
And If You Choose Wrong? I'm Go'n Get Ya!
No God Didn't Give Adam & Eve Free Will To Choose.
He Gave Them HIs Commandments To Obey, Not Choose.
Of Course The Bible Says Man Has A 'Will'.
Which Is Different Than God Himself Giving Man Free Will To Sin
Then Punishing Them For It.
I don't like the way Peters calls PPL professing Christians, same as Catholics, No different, Sunday ritual
Christmas 🎄 easter and Halloween 🎃 is all paganism
I don’t often, or ever agree with J.P. but I do agree with him on his statement about Biden being allowed to hold his office in judgment of America.
I disagree, God didn't vote for Biden( if you believe he won the election fairly)any more than He voted Hitler into power. People elect the leadership, and their moral condition is usually reflected by who is elected. And nations suffer because of this
I think it's more complicated than that. A lot more complicated. Israel has to be moved into a place where she has no one to rely on in order for what must come to come. The U.S. has covered Israel for 7 decades. Unless, America is moved out of the way Israel cannot move through its next phase of transition. I don't think its A. God Is Judging America VS B. God is not judging America. I think its way more complex than an A/B alternative. Having said that 2 things that have historically brought nations to ruin are 1. The spilling of innocent blood & 2. Homosexuality. The recipe for judgement I agree is there BUT one thing I know about God is HE honors those that honor Him. America still has a lot of people that love God, have served God & have given of their treasure to spread the Gospel around the world & to bless Israel. God will be FAITHFUL. Period. He cannot be UnFaithful. He cannot act DisHonorably. He does NOT forget.
Well either side makes God seem like he has the hero syndrome as you put it. Cause what's the difference?, just that on your postion he didn't really ordinae the fall but rather he put man in the postion to fall knowing fully well they would and that he would save them.
Kinda like someone putting a criminal in a situation to commit a crime and then save the day. Either way God has masterminded a situation where he would have to save the day at the end. So unless you believe in open theism both sides makes God seem like he has the "hero syndrome"
I'm open to open theism
But was 'The Fall' a single EVENT? Or was 'The Fall' Intermittently punctuated? In the same way we ARE saved and we are BEING saved I think there was an original Rebellion that resulted in an original single event that acted as a catalyst that began 'The Fall' as a Punctuated Process. If that's true which I think there's ample evidence to suggest it is? How do we know all that was at stake because of this 'Fall?' We can't comprehend it. We are given a microdot of information compared to all there is to be known. If God did indeed place Adam in the garden (which is the first type & shadow of Christ in that we are recreated & placed In Christ) in order for them to be tempted, in order for them to come under the influence of The Fall? Then it was NECESSARY. Why would it be necessary? I've no idea. But what I do know is there are many instances in Scripture where we think God is focusing on directing man or saying something to man when God is really demonstrating something to the Angelic Realm. Ephesians 3:10 -"through the church the manifold wisdom of God is made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places," - this is to both the Faithful & the Fallen among the the Angelic realm. I Cor. 1:27 'But God has chosen the foolish things of the world, to confound the wise' - This is talking about both the wise among men & the 'wise' among the Angelic realm. See, when we place ourselves at the CENTER of God's Symphony we ourselves commit the same thing we're TEMPTED to 'accuse' God of-The Exclusivity of the Nature of Vanity. Man might be God's Greatest hit but it doesn't mean we're His only Hit. Id rather say 'I don't know' than to risk accusing God of some vain venture where it's all about Him & His Image & well... VANITY. We know that God is motivated by Love. Whatever the reason God did anything He did.... It was motivated by Love. This is the only means by which we have assurance & can save ourselves from Vain thoughts.
Whatever terminology you use God knew all things and created with that knowledge, and all was done for His glory (Rev 4:11).
The last time you sinned were you glorifying God by doing so?
Thanks 👍
@@seanvann1747 God is glorified is both grace and judgment. Nobody is calling evil good but God works all for good (Rom 8:28)
@@Pastor_Grant I didn't ask if God is glorified by grace and judgment.🤔
And God does not work ALL out for good.
Could you just answer my simple question so I can better understand your statement.
The last time you sinned did your sin glorify God?
Thanks 👍
@@seanvann1747 no
@@Pastor_Grant Thanks for the simple answer.
Now the last time you sinned could you have chosen God's way of escape that He provided for you from the temptation that led to you committing that sin? 👇
1 Corinthians 10:13
[13]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Thanks for the conversation 👍
Please stop your blasphemy. Why would you even want to plant such an idea as God has the hero syndrome as much of the video implies? What if God did ordain the fall of man? That still would not mean or show that God has the hero syndrome. All that God does is for His glory. Not because He is a narcissist or insecure. He wants us to look to Him because He is the greatest in all of creation. Let's face it, everyone worships something, even someone who wears the label of atheist. We worship what we hold most important or dear to us. Why worship a lesser thing when you can worship the Greatest (God) thing? God only wants the very best for us, even if it doesn't look like the very best from our perspective.
I addressed your "what if" in the video. The implications are unavoidable - that God is unjust because He knowingly brought billions of people into a world where they were destined to fall into condemnation with no hope for salvation because they weren't among the "elect" and therefore had no capacity for believing in Jesus. There are admittedly mysteries in the Bible, but the goodness of God isn't one of them. He didn't decree sin and condemnation so that He could bring Himself glory. He created beings with the ability to choose, and when they chose wrongly He provided a means of redemption for all who believe.
@@JewandGreek I don't understand what you're concluding in this comment. God is God and we are not. Whatever God decides to do with us is His decision alone. He is the Potter and we are the clay. Who are we to demand how this life goes?
In this case, JP is right
No, he's not. He's just spouting off more Calvinism. God doesn't get glory from people sinning and going to hell. Was hell made for humans? Jesus said it was created for the devil and his angels.
Yes, this man I'm sure is well intentioned but I saw him on a podcast last week where they were defending Kenneth Copeland & Jesse DuPlantis, the podcast claimed Copeland is NOT a false prophet. I don't understand where they are coming from, his COVID prophecy is on record, it was false. Amazing how people can view the same thing TOTALLY different
Justin has issues, and he would love to see a disaster that happened during a church service that is not Calvinest
Calvinists believe in their theology more than God himself.
@@IamGodSon their theology which they believe is based on Scripture which cannot be separated from faith in God since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, besides the charismatics I know base things more on their feelings and thoughts in their head that they attribute to the Holy Spirit more than the Holy Spirit inspired word of God.