Truth Matters? John MacArthur and Justin Peters Speak at the Ark Encounter: My Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2022
- Last weekend Ken Ham's Ark Encounter in Kentucky hosted the 2022 Truth Matters conference conducted by John MacArthur's ministry. Among the speakers were MacArthur, Phil Johnson, and Justin Peters, all of whom have a history of bashing Charismatics and Charismatic theology. I thought the Charismatic community might like to know the kind of events Ken Ham is hosting at his attraction.
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One of my friends is convinced Justin Peters has a deep rooted resentment toward all this word of faith stuff simply because it didn't work for him and received no healing for his own disability
Justin denies it but I don't think there's any question that his views have been skewed by virtue of his experiences. I think he just concluded that all faith healers are charlatans and therefore the teaching that they're promoting is heresy.
I agree.
I agree also. He lacks any sense of empathy or evidence of compassion. If he was so right about his misguided submissions then you would expect a reaching out in love and appeals for intercessionary prayer for these “weird” Charismatics. There is none at all. I do believe that his “talent” for finger pointing & criticism is one the Lord would be quite happy on this occasion if he buried it!
I 100% agree. Thank you for the work you do. Your comments are right on and you see the truth.
My Dad and I have begun a podcast series dealing with the arguments of all of these folks who say they believe sola scriptura but have no scriptural basis for cessationism. They set up the WOF and NAR as a straw man and knock it over. Any fool realizes that Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and others are charlatans. That isn't the issue at hand. The question is "should the Holy Spirit still work today in the body of Christ through ALL of the spiritual gifts (as set forth, for example, in 1 Corinthians 12)". The answer to this question, is YES. There is no biblical evidence to the contrary. This is what we will prove through our series. We will deal point by point with all of their arguments. These people don't know their Bibles, are intellectually dishonest and downright illogical. If you would like to follow along, the link is below.
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Watching from Cameroon. I am an evangelical charismatic and it's painful to watch their ignorance of Charismatics and yet claiming to know. Another problem with them is this: they don't really believe the scriptures they claim to believe!
REALLY!!!! Enlighten us!
How can Justine Peters and His group of attackers believe in Sola Scriptura and deny the reality of miracles and gifts of the Spirit. I don't know how you can fully defend that from the Bible?
@@abunawjude9592 Can you really defend with and from the Bible that Miracles came to an end and were supposed to come to an end at the end of the apostolic age?
@@elvistarla1211 then we are in agreement, we who live in Africa know the truth of the spirit world even as unbelievers, its funny to see these guys talk about reason, how do you reason with witchcraft or other attacks of the devil
@@elvistarla1211 I said we are in agreement that all that is true, I am a full blown Pentecostal, I misconstrued your original point, I thought you were in support of jp and jm
I’m in Ghana Africa. I enjoy listen to you so much. I’m stirred up to study the Scriptures more as I listen to you. God bless you
I'm appalled on hearing Justin saying that Charismatics are not Christians. As for me, if it wasn't for the preaching of a Charismatic preacher about the Gospel of Jesus Christ I would still be a lost sinner and who knows I might have end up in hell. He doesn't know how much souls have been won to Christ through the Ministries of Charismatic preachers in my part of the world.
My wife walked in and heard the clips you played from our cessationist friends and asked why do you listen to this and I said to know my adversaries doctrine so I can defend and deflect their attacks. God I pray for our brothers and sisters that have been fed this garbage.
Good for you. People like you are part of why I do this.
Just to be abundantly clear, Justin Peters and his friends make my skin crawl, that's why I didn't want him to listen. We fully support you and are so thankful for your mission. -The Wife
Does anyone know if Ken Hamm is a cessationist?
I ask because I've seen his defense of young earth creationism, and his point always seems to rest on, "The plain reading of the text". He mentions it over and over. And yet the plain reading of the text is that the gifts of the Spirit are still in operation today. I'm unsure how he is jumping through the mental hoops in order to hold both of those positions. Again, assuming he is a cessationist.
@@seantreme8772 I agree with you about Justin Peters.
What do you think about Ken Ham's plan to build his own tower of babel replica?
You should consider focusing on this type of content. It's soooo needed.
It's supee trendy to be a calvinist/cessationist and the word "charismatic" is now, automatically associated with carelessness and dishonesty.
I went after new age theology at around 16. Partly because I was hearing that the things I was experiencing(mainly dreams) and expecting "didn't happen".
Whenever I would talk to Christians,(I wasn't a Christian at the time, but didn't know it), they wouldn't believe me and had no way to relate. Even discussing answered prayers would get me looks.
At the time, I had hardly any bible knowledge, but if I had just read it for myself, I would have learned that my experiences did align with scripture.
Sound doctrine is extremely important to me. The word of God is my ultimate authority. Even though I don't consider myself reformed, I belong to a reformed church because I love their love for the word, even if we disagree on certain interpretation.
But it's getting a little difficult for me. I'm now at the point where I don't really even want them to pray for me because I don't believe they actually expect answers.
I became a disgusting monster while in the new age. Literally, almost a Ted Bundy. God saved me RIGHT before I hurt someone at the age of 30. The experiences I've had while in new age did not align with scripture and I've completed disregarded them. I'm convinced they were demonic.
Now, to avoid the insane amount of deception, I hold on to the word like it's a floating device in the middle of the ocean.
I'm often accused of being obsessed or studying too hard. But I know what can happen to a person when they are not grounded by God's word. I love it and so thankful for the gift he's provided.
It's because of His Word that I believe in the miraculous.. Because I love truth, I listen to cessationist arguments on a regular basis, but they often use philosophical reasoning, instead of scripture.
Also, thank you so much for addressing Kat Kerr and listing grounded charismatic I can look into. I don't know of many, which makes this theological position feel really lonely.
Maybe you could do a video listing sound charismatics ❤️
This is an amazing testimony, you should try listening to Andrew Wommack, truly great anointed Bible Teacher. You should check out his Spirit Soul and Body teaching to begin with.
@ChristianRebel There is actually a scholarly work, I can get the Phd who did the research and published it but it goes through History and documents how the supernatural was NOT specific to Christianity but was widespread across multiple religions. He then documents HEALINGS that over the past 2 decades from around the world. The bulk of them he documents among the Christian faith. But I think the real danger here with this CESSATION baloney is 1. If we are training ourselves to see SUPERNATURAL ACTS as CONFIRMATION of the DIVINE PRESENCE of CHRIST then 2. We are setting ourselves up to be deceived. The Anti-Christ and the false prophet come with LYING WONDERS and SUPERNATURAL ACTS. The Supernatural doesn't mean you're necessarily an agent of the kingdom of God. In fact? It has NEVER MEANT that. It CAN mean that. It doesn't always mean that. Agents of Christ come preaching the GOSPEL of CHRIST and ACTS follow the preaching of the Word.
@ChristianRebel "The "objective believer" also defends that miracles are for today and charismatic view" --- Im pointing out that those who believe this are unaware of history. The Supernatural is all over world history. Its always been here. To believe that the Spirt of God would retreat from the field of the Supernatural in light of the un-relenting supernatural that has always been present and is STILL present is ludicrous. I guess maybe Im pointing out that this subject has a higher elevation from which it can be viewed. The ancient Greeks recorded different ways in which they could receive healing from their gods. Same across the ancient world. Same with voo-doo which is really just witchcraft. To believe God would abandon the field of the supernatural is the 'belief' that God SHARES GLORY with lesser gods. We know He doesn't.
@ChristianRebel *Ya, I'm confused about why you are confused.*
@ChristianRebel Well, either Im a horrible communicator or you're a bad listener. Whichever the case I never said that either or both channels say that they 'do not happen' 'other places.' That wasn't the point of what I said. At any rate, I'm not kicking this can any further down the road. Either I made a horrible attempt at communicating a point or you didn't take the time to pay attention to what I was saying. Thats fine. Lets just leave it there.
Thank you so much brother. I pray that the whole world will come to know about your faith-filled content. So much love from Canada :)
Do you receive suggestions on what you may want to discuss in the future?
@@ndjachok.2421 I'm open to suggestions but I don't often actually follow up on any of them because of time constraints.
If Christ was to enter his earthly ministry right now, these Cessationists would perform the role of Pharisees & Sadducees perfectly…
Exactly
EXACTLY! THEY ARE DOING IT ALREADY!!!
Exactly and well-said.
God has blessed you with a great gift. Rod, your comprehension of the truth is a blessing.
When will John MacArthur and the like grow up
John MacArthur either does not know or is actively misleading viewers on word of faith.
I'm almost positive J Macarthur would be the first to call down King David for dancing before the Lord. Lol
There are a lot of things about MacArthur that bother me. Ive researched his life and where he came from. There's a lot of things about that guy that make me very suspicious. Im not sure he is even what he attempts to appear to be.
@@Telkor Oh, most definitely. Let's not be that way.
@@thetruthchannel349 well, for one, he doesn't have an earned doctorate and never corrects people who call him "Dr." (he only has an honorary doctorate which is no doctorate, really)
@@TULIP1024 *Well, I know many people with doctorates & only a small number of them are even remotely impressive. There's something more here with guy.*
Great, I caught your livestream. 🥰
Heard this episode again and this scripture consistently comes to mind, Matthew 7:2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. I have often said the danger in the Calvinist movement are not the sincere followers of this doctrine, but the teachers, John MacArthur, Justin Peters and the others. I know I have Gods Spirit inside me because I HAVE NO DESIRE FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS to not make it heaven. Yet they have joy and believing that we are going to hell. Which is an indicator of their possible damnation. My prayer, is "Father forgive them, for they know not what they say". Also, are their crazy's in the Charismatic Movement, sure there are, which has nothing to do with Gods Word of Truth. Thanks Rod... excellent as always...
I don’t think I question their salvation but I can’t stand the false religion they follow and the doctrines associated with it.
@@ivanodosreis4921 I don’t disagree, yet they; meaning Calvinist, seemingly persist that everyone who is not a Calvinist is deceived and going to hell.
Recently saw another video of John MacArthur where assures his congregation that there are thousands of people that say Jesus is their Lord and Savior and He is not. That they think they are going to heaven yet their fate is Hell.
This makes it difficult for me to believe that John MacArthur has a pure heart and he is innocently believing a lie (Like the Apostle Paul) and heaven is secured.
Again, do I want or am happy to believe that John MacArthur is going to hell.. not now or ever. Yet.. what he preaches about me and you.. might be his fate.
I pray for these Calvinist preachers to get enlightened with Gods Word and to repent. Nonetheless Calvinist doctrine disabled people from sensing the conviction of the Holy Spirit to repent.
May God have Mercy on their souls, regardless if they rejoice in the lie of me, you and every True Christian is going to hell.
@@icilahmb Amen brother. What you say is true. I was victim to these teachers without even knowing what they were teaching. I am happy that I see the truth now.
Justin Peters and Johnny Mack seem void of joy whenever I watch their clips.
They don’t have the joy of the Lord.
@@christinamorales6887 Amen Sister! They do not understand Nehemiah 8:10, because it is spiritually discerned.
I wouldn’t felt real comfortable approaching The Spiritual world all the time on “Pure Intellect” anyway…
This is SAD because I enjoy listening to some of these people sometimes. Anyway this is another one of your Classic! Thanks Jew and Greek/Rod Saunders
They are nearly all Calvinists and Lordship salvationists. So who are they to talk about heresy?
All Discernment channels are apart of a cult.
The word of faith shared - makes our fellowship effective (powerful, alive, and active - Heb.4:12 & Filemon 6) -
Thank you brother, for addressing this folly against the word of faith fellowships and believers
I am more persuaded that faith-filled words are the way to equip saints for ministry than the disqualified doctrine of cessationists or folks trying to negate the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today
- and thus pray that these opposing leaders will realize that they are only fighting against the Spirit of God and thus stifling so many opportunities for miracles and supernatural interventions of God to bring forth great testimonies and recompense of reward (Heb.11:6, Mrk.11:23)
Good work as always brotherman
I really see these guys, when they're in a herd on the stage, as "Giants Of The Faith" wannabes.
I think they want to be remembered as great theologians
My daughters, and I have been talking about taking my grandchildren there. This is disappointing, to say the least. I laugh at those guys, Justin Peters, and that group, all the time. They have no clue about the Spirit realm. Unfortunately, they believe what they say. I will continue to pray for them. You have a sound mind, praise the Lord. Thank you for sharing it with us!
I wonder what J. Mac says now about J. Wimber or Chuck Smith?
He used to like Chuck Smith before he died. I've actually shown a video where he spoke highly of him back in the 20th century. Now of course he says that Chuck Smith was encouraging hippies to tell us how to do church.
@@JewandGreek , Yes, of course. J Mac and crew will take some real quacks and say this is all of those who hold to being a Charismatic.
Good to know thanks
Good Word Rod. It's really sad seeing these guys tearing down the church, thinking they're doing God a great service. I have good Christian friends that are members of just about every denomination and movement that can be named. I pastor a little Free Will Baptist Church, but I have my credentials with World Bible Way Fellowship, (an independent fellowship of church's that are very similar to the Assemblies of God denomination.) I consider anyone who follows Christ to be my Brother. There are good Christians in just about every group, and there are flakes in just about every group. I just rejoice that Christ is being preached.
What does Phil say about Craig keener? Etc.
No idea. They don't usually talk about educated Charismatics except for Dr. Michael Brown. They love to beat up on him.
It’s hard to believe anyone could say and believe what they do,
assuming I am hearing them correctly, and know God.
Is theirs another Gospel?
Another God?
A different Bible?
Where is the Spirit of Christ in Word and Deed (Attitude)?
Where is the heart of God?
Well, it just means that nice restaurants in America will let anyone in if they have an American Express.
@@thetruthchannel349 ?
@@John-Christchurch-NZ You watched the video right?
Whew! Are these people serious?
They, if they had the power, would condemn millions of people to hell, based purely on their ignorance of the word of God.
For them salvation is only in theory, and any experience of God's grace is simply unholy and not of God.
You don't know what you don't know until you find out, meanwhile you proudly parade your ignorance, as is in this case. I am truly astounded, I must recover. Grace and Peace.
When men and women begin to do the works of the Father AGAIN? *You're looking at the very people who will call for them to be put to death.*
JP has some serious issues and needs the love of the Lord. He would burn 🔥 people at the stake and condemn them to hell. He is a modern day Pharisee. He is throwing stones as if he has NO sin.
Thank you Rod for doing such a great job of showing how out of balance ultra fundamentalist cessationist can be. I was raised by know it all Baptist types like Mac Arthur and Justin Peters, and I would take Kat Kerr view of heaven any day over those who specializes at slandering brothers and being "accusers of the brothern"!
YIKES! I'd hope for something more in the middle than KK or Johnny Mac. But I get what you're saying.
Thanks for what you do.
I learn so much from your teaching. Thank you Rod.
Ty for doing these videos. I have a question if you have the time.
What extent do you believe something can be believed for?? In other words where is the line?
For a long time I've really liked Andrew Wommacks view that we cannot appropriate by faith something that God did not provide to us by grace.
I heard once of a Rhema student believing God for Kenneth Hagins pickup truck. ROFL. Now why it had to be his specific truck I don't know. There are other stories like people believing for other people's wives etcetera.
So in that light, I'm curious your view. There is a lot of teaching about God being able to do anything. Verses like, "With God all things are possible" get thrown around a lot.
Ty for your time good sir.
My view would be similar to what you stated as Andrew Wommack's view. Biblical faith is based on what is revealed to be the will of God in the word of God. It's hard to believe for something that goes beyond that.
A truth matters conference at a place that teaches young-earth creationism is quite ironic (no offense to my YEC friends).
I view Young Creationism as naive, simplistic and contorted as I view Old Earth. There's a reason why theres so much contradictory data across the spectrum. You can find things that indicate a Young Earth. You can find things that indicate an ancient earth. I think the closest we can get to even a hopeful, ignorant guess is by understanding that Biblical texts as well as Hundreds of ancient cultures as well as 600 Native American traditions teach of MULTI-AGES. What does that mean exactly? I barely have a clue. It could mean so many different things. For, ex. in the Zulu tradition that is over 5,000 years old they also teach this but in their version an earth change occurs that is absolutely devastating and almost kills everything on earth ends a Golden age. The moon is moved here by 2 brothers whos appearance resemble the fish-men in the Greek mythos (which was the basis of modern evolution as these Apkallu Greek fish men rise out of the sea) so they can 'Watch' after mankind. So, this begins a new age. I think Cosmology is so more exotic than we can imagine it will absolutely blow our minds when we're shown where we've been living and all the changes that have occurred for one reason or another. Maybe we'll feel quite bored and embarrassed for measuring data by simply how old this thing is vs how old that thing is.
@@thetruthchannel349 My issue with young-earth creationism is their insistence on the Bible's scientific accuracy in Genesis 1-11. The Church fathers are very clear that we are not to interpret Genesi 1 & 2 as exactly how God created everything. Whatever God did, it is beyond our comprehension. This also means that I have a problem with old-earth creationists and theistic evolutionists that try to insert their scientific and philosophical opinions concerning the origin of the earth into the text. The Bible was simply never meant to be read that way.
@@irenaeusofpensacola "My issue with young-earth creationism is their insistence on the Bible's scientific accuracy in Genesis 1-11" *Same here. I have a difficult time being patient with people who want to read the Bible like either a science book or a 21st century commentary on the first millennia. Oddly, enough the flat earthers take that lead and just invert that concept and adapt it to fit their Weird Science version.*
@@irenaeusofpensacola "Whatever God did, it is beyond our comprehension" *Ya, thats very possible. I think I lean that way. When I deal with atheists I also shut down their 'But you're a Creationist' spill by pointing out that A. Biblical Cosmology NEVER explains HOW God created the heavens and the earth. Just THAT HE DID. and so B. Genesis neither opposes or supposes Evolution. I further point out that MY problem with evolution isn't Biblical it's scientific. After 150 years it shouldn't still have enough holes to drive an Imperial fleet through from a galaxy far and away. I agree that we're missing such HUGE pieces in our history that what we DO have and what we can ACCOUNT for only deepens the mystery and expands our ignorance. When that happens Ive learned that its usually because you have all these little pieces and you're missing the bigger pieces that anchor those smaller ones that seem to be all you have left.*
@@irenaeusofpensacola "This also means that I have a problem with old-earth creationists and theistic evolutionists that try to insert their scientific and philosophical opinions concerning the origin of the earth into the text." *Ya, 100% agree here also. Hebrew Cosmology is pretty much the same as other cosmologies and oddly enough its even closer to the ancient Chinese Cosmology than even the Enuma Elish. Theres a lot of alliterations and symbols that are present in the Cosmology that take you right up to Revelation and it seems to interlock with Eschatology. For ex. 'the sea' in Cosmology its the same as the Abzu or the abyss and is a chaos symbol representing the original Rebels and the results of what they did against God and Creation. Jesus walks 'on the sea.' That is symbolic of Christ's dominance and victory over them. Then later in Rev. 'and there was no more sea.' Well, thats not talking about water. Its talking about Chaos, Spiritual darkness, etc. There also seems to be a connection with the Hebrew Creation myth and the erecting of the Temple, etc. They clearly knew that 3,000 years ago. We cant apply 19th century Naturalism to Hyper-physical realities. I feel like a stupid amateur even calling it that. What else do ya call it? What else can ya call it? Paul just called it 'the air.' He didn't know what to call it either. lol.*
Some of these guys say abortion should be punished as murder, that is, capital punishment through the state. So, for one of them to use the rhetoric of charismatic teaching being worse than abortion, is sowing seed that were they to do political mechanation, will (God forbid) land us in another tyranny situation again with plenty martyrs to show for.
Another Roman Catholic Rome, another Calvinist Geneva.
So, walk on water and I'll believe you.
I thought his name was Canned Ham!
They would be horrified to watch and hear Alliss Cresswell. She is a true woman of God.
Nobody wil debate mr rob
Justin Peters will be that guy in heaven pointing at anything that's not in the bible saying that's unbiblical that's unbiblical and that's unbiblical. Someone needs to Justin Peters that the bible isn't in the bible and nether is he.
I think you guys are talking past each other. There IS a teaching that has gone around in charismatic circles that encourages people to turn off their minds (Rodney Howard Browne was big on that) and many of the man types (Heidie Baker I believe) I can't remember all the people individually, but it IS and issue and Peters has a valid point. But he clearly doesn't understand the issue properly so he makes huge blanket statements etc so no one will hear him ( though I believe he has a valid point). I went to CFNI and spend decades in Charismatic/Pentecostal Christianity, I know there's a truth to what he says. Yet Peters (and the rest) they overstate their cases, or paint too broadly, and so the result is it just stirs up controversy. I believe Rod's point is also valid, not ALL charismatics/pentecostals do such or teach such--but there IS such teaching. So Rod refutes coz Peter's is painting too broadly, meanwhile quacks and lunatics continue to operate under the radar in Charismatic movements TRULY teaching people to turn off their minds, don't use logic, etc etc, THESE ARE FACTS! So it needs to be addressed, but alas, both sides just talk past each other, controversy is stirred up, and nobody is helped by any of it...
Heidi Baker has a doctorate in theology. As for CFNI, I have dozens of books by Gordon Lindsay. I don't ever recall him telling people not to use their intellect. As I said there are those on The Lunatic Fringe who seem void of reason, but most of the references to not going by logic have to do with giving supremacy to the word of God as I discussed with Biblical examples in the video.
Whoa, but I know charismatic who believe like in Jesus very strongly. Are Spencer Smith and Colin Miller included? They look like non-charasmatics
Nope. They are both cessationists and hate charismatics.
Another thought is J-Mac's true arrogance comes out when he questions why God doesn't stike some people dead. In reality he is so arrogant that he questioned God and his grace that allows anyone to opoose J-Mac.
JMac tickling the ears of the cessation gospel coverts
J-Mac, J-Pete and others like them really oppose and contradict themselves constantly. I thought they believed in the sovereignty of God that micromanages everyone?! I thought they were Calvinists and taught God has already decided everything?! I thought that they taught all things are working for my good, even the charismatics right?!... (BTW: It is the Holy Spirt that works good in all things, not everything is working for my good, especially not sin, not the devil.)
I am a baptized in the Holy Spirit, tongue-talking Christian, who has seen devils get cast out and loves the mighty working of the Holy Spirit. I love the fact that God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. They profess themselves to be wise so they become fools. They seek biblical reference for someone falling out under the power, it says when they came to get Jesus he said, ' I am he" and they fell backward to the ground under the power of God.
Satan controls all denominations and so-called churches that combine the two gospels of the New Testament.
Pure evil is knowingly combining the gospel of the grace of God I Corinthians 15:1-4 (Paul's gospel for Gentiles), with the gospel of the kingdom, John 3:16 (gospel of Peter and the 11, for the Jews).
Our church is the "body of Christ," of which Paul was the first member.
Those that combine these separate gospels are II Corinthians 11:14-15 Minsters of Satan.
IS this a false Gospel the CALVANIST PREACH ??? would that make them non believers ?
Justin is a dreadfully bitter man.
Interesting take, Rod. Kat Kerr is hardly the only example of charismatics believing lunacy - but I only had 50 minutes. Sid Roth has a massive, massive following and is every bit as looney as Kat Kerr is. Dr. Michael Brown heartily endorses Sid Roth. I guarantee you the great, great majority of charismatics follow either, some, or all of the following: Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Bill Johnson, Creflo Dollar, Andrew Wommack and Joseph Prince. You would be hard pressed to find a charismatic who would call any or all of these individuals for the false teachers/prophets that they are. You would not do so either. Every single one of these individuals is a proven false teacher and false prophet.
So says the guy who's self proclaimed theology would make out that Jesus and the Apostles are Evil. Go for it Justin!! I would go somewhere to agree with you if you put John Macarthur and your own name on there buddy. But like the rest you get your own bit of fame so hey who cares right!
Hello again, Justin. Sorry, but your guarantee doesn't really mean much to me, considering your history with shabby research and spreading misinformation. There are approximately 650 million Pentecostals/Charismatics in the world. Joel Osteen has 2.58M subscribers. Sid Roth has 1.47M. Joseph Prince has 999K. Joyce Meyer has 815K. Benny Hinn has 412K. Kenneth Copeland has 357K. Creflo Dollar has 340K. Andrew Wommack has 198K. Jesse Duplantis has 178K. Bill Johnson has 110K. According to my math that comes to a total of 7.459 million subscribers. Allowing for some overlap with subscribers and that (generously) comes to about 1% of the world's Pentecostal/Charismatic population. Many of them outside of the US don't even have a TV or internet access. None of the charismatics I associate with watch Sid Roth, Kat Kerr, Jesse Duplantis or Benny Hinn. Some listen to Wommack or Copeland or the others, but overall I would say that well under 10% follow any of them. The thing is, there's so many of us around the world that even a small minority adds up to millions. As for calling them false teachers/prophets, I have a pretty high bar for calling people out as heretics. I believe that one has to deny an essential doctrine of the faith to qualify as a heretic, which isn't the case with any of the names you mentioned. Do I disagree with them on some issues? Absolutely. But I obviously disagree with you on some issues as well, and yet I don't call you or your ilk heretics/false teachers .... etc. I like the concept of Mere Christianity. If we agree on the essentials we ought to be able to tolerate one another on our differences regarding nonessentials. Blessings.
@@JewandGreek Rod, Copeland, Hinn, Duplantis, Osteen have all taught objective, undeniable heresy and have done so on many, many occasions. Every single one of them have given false prophecies and have put words in God's mouth He emphatically did not say. But putting words in God's mouth He did not say, sadly, is just not a big deal in the Charismatic Movement.
As for these individuals representing a small minority of charismatics, that is not true. I've preached in 28 countries and can tell you that all of these false teachers are known and revered and they have spawned countless other false teachers and false prophets who fleece millions of the poor and sick.
Here is a simple question: Do you believe Kenneth Copeland and Jessie Duplantis meet the biblical qualifications for being in ministry? Are they biblically qualified? I'm not asking if you have "differences" with them. I have secondary differences with many preachers I admire - but they are biblically qualified to preach and be in ministry. Do you believe Kenneth Copeland and Jessie Duplantis are biblically qualified to be in ministry? If not, do you believe they should get out of ministry?
@@JewandGreek Agreed. I’m charismatic and don’t listen to any of those preachers and never have or will. Why is it so hard to fathom someone can have sound doctrine and believe in the gifts of the spirit lol. What an absurd accusation to say all charismatics are crazy. Sounds like accusing the brethren.
Great video Rod!
"I guarantee you the great, great majority of charismatics follow either, some, or all of the following: Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Bill Johnson, Creflo Dollar, Andrew Wommack and Joseph Prince. You would be hard pressed to find a charismatic who would call any or all of these individuals for the false teachers/prophets that they are. You would not do so either. Every single one of these individuals is a proven false teacher and false prophet." ----- Ok, so why can't the same thing be said BY US about YOU? First, a definition of a false teacher and false prophet is NOT what Justin Peters thinks it is based on who Justin Peters doesn't like or agree with. Same goes for me or anyone else. FIRST, you must BIBLICALLY define what a FALSE TEACHER and FALSE prophet are. Secondly, I CAN PROVE by Scripture that what you TEACH (regarding certain issues) is an INCOMPLETE GOSPEL and is BLASPHEMY of the HOLY SPIRIT. So, what's worse? Being a thief? Or blaspheming the Spirit of God? Being a liar? Or preaching against the Spirit of Truth? Making Justin Peters uncomfortable or GRIEVING the Holy Spirit? For every single reason you would call any of these 'false' teachers and/or prophets I can identify you as a BLASPHEMER of the Spirit. Now, luckily, you're too immature of a believer to even qualify to commit the sin unto death. Im thankful for that. However, you are STILL setting yourself AGAINST the SPIRIT of GOD. I would warn you. Tread carefully.
You can trust Justin Peters and John McArthur. If you have discernment you will easily see charismatic as hellbound. Some examples: Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Paula White T.D.Jakes, Todd White etc. If you cant recognize this you have zero discernment and are being tricked.
So you just condemned hundreds of millions of charismatic believers in Jesus on the basis of the opinions of JP and Johnny Mac?
@@JewandGreek They condemned themselves. Im just affirming it. Why are charismatics so weird?
@@tonyii3818 John MacArthur kicked a woman out of his church because she wouldn't take her abusive husband back. John Calvin had a man executed for denying the Trinity. Any charismatics doing stuff like that? Besides, weirdness doesn't keep you out of heaven. John the Baptist was as weird as they come. Isaiah preached naked for three years.
@@JewandGreek You didn't answer my question. My mom has been a charismatic since I was a boy. I have witnessed the weirdness at a level not to be believed. So have you. But why? God will deal with McArthur and Calvin.
@@tonyii3818 Your question is irrelevant, but your claim that charismatics are hell bound isn't. It belies a misunderstanding of the gospel. We're saved by grace through faith in Jesus, not by having the right position on the modern operation of spiritual gifts. By your reasoning your own mother is going to hell.