Justin Peters Updates "Clouds Without Water" Seminar: My Response (part 3)
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2022
- In this third video of rebuttals to Justin Peters revised Clouds Without Water seminar I address his claims about John G. Lake and the Christology of the Word of Faith.
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Barry Morton's articles on John G. Lake - www.academia.edu/7005594/John... www.academia.edu/38450169/Yes...
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John G. Lake on Spiritualism - healingrooms.com/about/johnGL...
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"I'm too mature for that". My thought was, no Rod, don't be too mature for that; see what it looks like with a Justin Peters version --- and then you didn't disappoint. That was funny.
Rod, your work is invaluable, to us who belive and to those whose eyes you're opening.
Thinking the word incomprehensible is better. What would Rod be doing if not pointing fingers at faithful ministers.
@@bobhawkins2997 lol funny you say this about your buddy Justin Peters who’s only ministry is “pointing fingers” 😂 about people he knows nothing about
@@bobhawkins2997 Are you hurt Hawkins that Rod exposed that Justin is a bad researcher or a pathological liar?
@@bobhawkins2997 LOL! Now that's the pot calling the kettle black. Justin's the guy who calls charismatics "demon possessed", picks out fringe ministers and ministries and lumps them in with ALL Pentecostals and charismatics; twists comments and statements to build cases against those he is attacking.
I guess we should start lumping all Baptist churches and ministers together. LOL! I had a primitive Baptist pastor tell me that Black people don't have a soul.
@@Patrick-sb2sb - I am fully convinced that a few of the charismatics are demon possessed. Why not tell some your charismatic healers to go heal Justin from his cerebral palsy. That would surely convince him.
I have personally met Justin Peters and found him humble and delightful.
A lot of people started accusing Benny Hinn of necromancy after he talked about having a dream, in which he saw Kathryn Kuhlman and the prophet Elijah. I remember seeing this on a praise the Lord broadcast around 99, or 2000. However Pastor Benny was not trying to conjure up the ghost of Kathryn Kuhlman or bring Elijah back from heaven to talk to him he simply had a dream. I dreamed last night about a family friend who passed away. There are times I have also dreamed about my mother since she passed away, but does this make me guilty of necromancy? I don’t think so.
Kathryn Kuhlman
Thank you for the correction
Thanks so much for your research. For years I have wondered about so many of the things you are talking about. I'm so glad I stumbled onto your ministry a few weeks ago. Well actually, I don't think it was by accident.
I Love the way You respond Brother Rod. I would love to watch the first two parts of Your response to Justin yet again 😊
I have heard a lot of amazing things God did through John G lake. He was known as Healing specialist that in his days His city was remarked as one of the most healthiest town. Am I right Bro Rod??
@Dean A. Wow that's awesome to hear. I have read about these Powerful People of God through the Book God's generals
I have heard that Ricky, but of course I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
@@JewandGreek yes. Once again that was a very detailed rebuttal and you were very honest in the things you ought to. God bless you Brother Rod
The most important fruit of the Spirit is love, even for an enemy. We Charismatics love to stress the gifts but show little evidence of His presence via the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians ).
@Dean A. i don’t think he knows God. Just being honest.
Well done Pastor Rod
I'm not a pastor but thanks anyway.
Love your work Rod.
I don't have the time to do research on John Calvin partly because I have low interest in Calvinism. But there is something in Wikipedia about John Calvin getting people killed for disagreeing with his doctrines. I suppose if I were interested more, I could research further in case there is context I'm missing - but I'm not really that interested.
Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information. You are referring to the Michael Severtus debacle. He was a heretic who was executed by the Calvinist government in Geneva for his heretical doctrines he was adamant in spreading. That was typical at the time, much the same way the White American church was complicit in Jim Crow segregation and slavery. All in all though, John Calvin actually did much in spreading the gospel by sending out many missionaries throughout Europe that was in spiritual darkness.
@@kevinevans8892 So the good justifies the bad - ok. Wikipedia is useful and sometimes reliable; you just have to know how to use it --- if it is interesting or important enough you 1) read the references given and/or 2) corroborate with other sources.
Why do you comment on that which you profess your ignorance?
@@bobhawkins2997 I made a measured and qualified comment regarding the history of John Calvin. In terms of calvinism, I know exactly what the mostly false doctrine says and purports regarding TULIP and the evil sourced cessation movement origins. Perhaps you are a common calvinist with snow flake tendencies regarding the generally false doctrine? understandable.
@shadowmist I wouldn't classify Calvinism as a false doctrine anymore than I would do to Arminianism, which is the foundational doctrine of my Nazarene denomination. What is heretical about God's sovereignty and predestination? What is heretical about His preservation of His elected saints? What is heretical about His wooing of His elect and total depravity of ungodly sinners? This channel and its commenters are falling into the same error of Justin Peters in classifying genuine Believers such as John MacArthur, John Calvin and other notable Reformed theologians as false teachers. Let me recommend RC Sproul's What is Reformed Theology and Chosen by God; J.I. Packer's Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God and Lorraine Boettner's The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination. You'll gain A better understanding of Calvinism from these godly men than from Jew and Greek and orher critics
Sadly Justin has to missrepresent what his opponents believe in an effort to bolster his own beliefs, becacause too often the lack substance.
Just because we can read something (or see or hear it) doesn't mean we understand it.
Calvinism has taught me that if you are trying to prove a preconcieved idea you will be able to find scriptures, authorities and theorists to support it.
After all isn't that what JW's, Mormon and fringe Christian Cults do.
Just like fear always comes up with evience to support it.
Doesn't make it true.
Be Blessed Rod.
Thank you for this message
Before I share my thoughts on Benny, I’d like you to know that I’m a Pentecostal. I graduated from Christ for the Nations more than 20 years ago.
I went to a Benny Hinn conference and I was absolutely shocked how they arm twisted everyone to give. They promised you a bmw if you gave $1,000. I was there, I’m not making this up. Then I started getting his newsletters. Benny makes tetzel look tame. He promises all your prayers answered, loved ones saved, healing, etc. all you have to do is give a big offering. “The bigger the offering, the bigger the miracle.”
@John A I highly doubt Jew and Greek will respond to your comment.
John, I applaud you for being able to criticize the excesses born out of the Pentecostal movement. You are a brother indeed. From my tradition I criticize the hyper dispensational folks who say the rapture is happening next week.
Surely we can celebrate the Gospel together. Johnny Mac’s Bible ministry has exceeded 50 years. Surely we can celebrate his faithful exposition of the Word. We don’t have to agree on all things.
@@kevinevans8892 You would be wrong. I've stated many times I'm not a fan of Benny Hinn. His money-raising approach is just one of the reasons for that.
I've always been amazed how often $1000 seems to be the perfect amount to give. ROFL.
Not $994 or $1023. Nope, perfectly even $1k somehow does it.
Hey Rod, Apologia Studio recently uploaded a video about YWAM and things going on there. I haven't watched it so far but I know that YWAM is mainly charismatic though officially they are interdominational. The video is uploaded in a series called "cultish" and I think they portraying a quiet bad picture of YWAM. I never been to YWAM but I know some people who work there, really try to reach the lost and do a good a job at it as far as I can tell. I think those Apologia Studio guys found another charismatic victim for accusations like them being a cult, preaching heresy etc. I would be really interested whether you had to say something about that.
I watched a lot of that video, and to me it was basically a fishing expedition. They kept looking for the something really salacious but they never really found anything. Just a lot of babbling from former YWAM employees in my opinion.
I hope Peter’s is merely bad at research and not simply good at lying. His “research” is embarrassing
1:37 if Justin Peters actually listen to Dr.Kevin Zadai's teachings he does not claim to have regular trips to heaven. Many years ago he was sick and went to get surgery and while on the operating table he died and went to Heaven. What Dr.Kevin Zadai does teach is that we can encounter God here on this Earth when we spend time in the secret place, we don't have to wait until we get to heaven to experience God's power and prescence and be intimate with Him.
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Hey Gabe! What do you think about Jesus playing the soprano sax?
@@JewandGreek Kenny Gsus 😂🤦🏽♂️ seriously, it would be awesome to see The Lord on sax, but I feel like he’d be an alto or tenor player 🎷🔥
there are hundreds of healings the Lord used me while ministering. Not one is documented, this means what?
Excellent content, as always :)
As I mentioned in the stream chat, I'm quite sure that all of these unsubstantiated claims are intentionally made up, with no evidence at all to back them up... That sadly seems to be the modus operandi of most of the Charismatic and WoF critics...
The same happens here in Brazil: there's a relatively large amount of WoF denominations, with an equally large amount of followers (Bishop Macedo's Universal Church, Apostle Santiago's Worldwide Church, and many others), and, from time to time, they do suffer from false accusations based on unsubstantiated and made up claims...
Those two denominations I mentioned were accused, in the past, of receiving funds from drug lords, having an immoral leadership, among many other claims... However, most of these were found out to be simply made up, either by the Media, by detractors or by hyper-critics.
Sadly, most of these denominations here do tend to have a rather unhealthy focus on financial prosperity and giving, which I, personally, disagree, so I don't endorse them, but, at the same time, I don't deny that many of the accusations raised against them are completely made up.
John G Lake started the AFM churches -Apostolic Faith Mission in South Africa.
Peter's. ,Mackey others. Are deliberately disingenuous. They don't care to do a real research. But they run with a narrative gossip in people's opinions.. which is not objective at all. While they say they are objective to truth they are not.. being disingenuous is the same as a liar and a sinner. But they feel it's justified for their cause. They have no mirrors in their houses
Hi Rod, Puyallup, Washington is pronounced Pewallup, it is an Indian name. I am from Puyallup. 🙂
JP need serious prayer. He really does not know his Bible very well. If he was a teacher he would stick only to the word not point fingers to everyone who is “so called wrong.”
It would be interesting to hear Justin do a video on John Calvin, since Justin is a TULIP (5 point Calvanist). You see, Calvin and the early Calvanists were "Heresy Hunters" like Justin Peters. They sought out heretics and had them thrown in prison and burned at the stake. He also accused little old ladies of being witches and had them burned at the stake as well.
i have a book wrote by J.Mac. he rakes J. Wimber over the coals in the book. J.Mac really hated J.Wimber i think.
He hated what Wimber did, not Wimber himself.
this is the era that God will use people like Justin Peters to expose false teachings!!!! praising GOD that HE IS STILL IN CONTROL!!!!
definitely, we are in the last days
All God needs is 1 voice, no more than 2
I feel sorry for Justin’s congregation. Does he ever do any ministry at all ?
It seems that all he does is criticize other ministries and we’re supposed to believe him ?
I really believe Justin has a genuine hatred for these charismatic preachers. He seems willing to lie to discredit them. If I was a wolf I would come in announcing I had a discernment ministry and profit from it.
If you knew his story, you would understand his disdain for charismatic charlatans.
@@bobhawkins2997 I know his story. I had a girlfriend that had M.D. and was in a wheelchair. She was told the same thing about not having enough faith. It’s unfortunate people are told that.
@@bobhawkins2997 yeah his story proves he’s bitter, and has a hatred for people who claim
Healing, because he’s crippled. Period
@@bobhawkins2997 we all have stories.
Doesn't mean we're supposed to launch out a "ministry" to tear down believers. And that is exactly what they are. JP may not like it, but a majority of the people he wishes to tear down may get some things wrong, but by every measure we can use a majority of them are bible believing Christians.
@@Telkor - Did you read the how they apostle chew the butt of the Galatians for following false teachers?
A shepherd should two voices. The first is for calling in the sheep, the second for calling out the wolves. Both voices should be used. Justin has been faithful in calling out the wolves. Frankly, The wolves don’t like the attention.
Well Kevin Zadai is a complete weirdo. As much as I don’t like JP, he’s right about this particular point
In your opinion. I'm not a total follower of zadai but give him benefit of the doubt.
@Paul I seriously doubt anyone is being regularly shuttled back and forth between Earth and Heaven.
@@kevinevans8892 I'm open to the possibility but dont pursue that stuff
I thought he was all about preaching the gospel. Enough with exposing the obvious, its 2024
Professing yourselves to be wise you've become as fools..ever learning but NEVER able to come to the actual truth... every single one of you on all sides of the evangelical church today.smh. carry on however, in the religious madness as you will.
Thanks for contributing so much to the discussion Deidra. Say hi to Spencer Smith.
Praise God for Justin Peters!
Would you like some pom-poms Bob?
He a hireling to run blocker for Johnny Mac’s blunders.
@@johndisalvo6283 - Good grief man. Are you NAR? Just a hireling? Just defend your own continuist doctrine instead of insulting the cessationist folks.
@@bobhawkins2997 Definitely NOT a NAR! He will give account for his views and teachings.
@@bobhawkins2997 Why doesn’t Peters just defend his own blasphemous Calvinite doctrine and leave the continuist folks alone???????? Little bit of a double standard you got going there!!!!
the fact that no one is PERFECT still applies to Justin Peters
but if we genuine count how many false teacher Justin Peters exposed,
it seems GOD used Justin more than you did.
You see, TROY has killed a lot of hard-to-be-defeated giants and warrior
but if anyone gets to defeat TROY, that anyone will be a level more famous than TROY
Your video against Justin is simply shows that you are that TROY killer.
I am sorry Karen, you are CANCELLED