Justin Peters Asks "Why Are Charismatics So Weird?" - My Response
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2022
- Justin plays a clip from the Sid Roth show where James Goll and his daughter are discussing an episode of Family Feud with Wilson Phillips as the contestants.
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I need to clarify that I can't stand Sid Roth's show. I have never met him personally and know nothing about him other that what I've seen on his show.
I really appreciate your channel, I love how you use apologetics to defend the Charismatic Movement, but I personally like Sid Roth's show. That doesn't mean that I agree with all his guests, but it was his show the led me into the Charismatic Movement and inspired me to seek God more.
@@matthewschardtii1338 ... and I don't disagree with all of the guests he has on. Thanks for your support.
You should watch the video interview with James Woodford. Its a breathtaking testimony every believer should hear
@@kevinevans8892 Thanks Kevin. I watched it and it wasn't bad.
He calls the Holy Spirit a woman and that is straight out of the occult. If you don't have discernment about your guests then that says a lot. There's a difference between letting someone come on you don't agree with to hash out differences and having people on an always agreeing with them.
I absolutely love your apologetics. I’ve never heard anyone give such a clear, articulate, Bible based defense of word of faith / charismatic church. God Bless You Rod 🙏🏽
very witty statement.
Im absolutely okay being called weird by the likes of Justin Peters great video thanks
:] :D your comment cracks me up.
"But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil! The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! But wisdom is justified of her children."
- JESUS
I agree with you about Justin Peters not accepting non-Charismatic, non-Calvinist Christians as true believers. I was a member of his fans' Facebook page and they muted me because I have many Facebook friends who are Pentecostals and Charismatics, many of whom who are active in the ministry. Peters and his fans are too judgemental.
The title itself shows the inmaturity of JP
He sure puts a lot of energy into dividing Christians, which we're told not to do.
You call it division, I call it exposing false teaching. "Activating the Holy Spirit" is a false teaching.
All but one of the books of the New Testament give warnings about false teachers. The world is littered with them.
So what you're saying is we should ignore the Bible when it gives examples of exposing false teachers, shepherding and essentially the entire new testaments warnings about false teachers
The charismatic movement has a lot to do with division. The bible isn't enough for some folk, they need more, they need to add to scripture, they need miracles, they need to be entertained.. Its pretty pathetic.
Yes, he's very good at it too. That and his altered videos he plays is how he makes a living.
You have one of the best Christian channels that I have seen. I pray that you end up with a million or more subscribers. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I grew up Southern Baptist…became a charismatic…sure a lot of it is false and hype, but some is real…I prayed for a thousand of people who got healed, my primary gift was to pray for people to have heavenly visions, but I stopped because it wasn’t producing substantial changes in people and wasn’t manifesting “heaven in earth”…. THE CROSS IS MUCH DEEPER!!!
Say what now..?
Yes. The CROSS IS WHERE ITS AT...Dreams. visions, and manifestations are real and for today I believe, I've had some of them, but they should be handled maturaly and In proper biblical order.
Had a conversation (on UA-cam) with Justin after the first video of this series.
He just doesn’t get it.
So sad that he’s spent 25 years of his life studying WOF/ Pentecostalism and he just doesn’t understand them.
I still pray for him.
It's because he is genuinely not saved. He's enslaved and imprisoned by his religious pride. The dude's got multiple demons running around in there using him to spread his false gospel, destroy the faith of new Christians, and keep others like himself trapped and dead in their pride. If he was just in error it wouldn't be as bad, but he is willfully deceptive and knows it. And when that is the case it is not of the Spirit of God. I'm a scientist so I used to be an intellectual and religious pride monster just like him, but the Lord set me free. Praise God!
I watched all of these videos by Justin Peters. He mentions a UA-cam critic that he refuses to name. I wondered if it was you. I almost emailed you to ask if you had seen them.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to me.
Justin Peter's logic reminds me of people who point out that God is present everywhere when someone refers to the fact that God is present in a certain place. Obviously, that's true, but if you look at the Holy Scriptures you will see that there are different senses of the presence of God. Certain places can become particularly associated with the Presence of God above all other places that are not normally associated in such a way.
Yes the pillar and the cloud in Exodus.
Justin has made an entire "ministry" out of criticising Charismatics. There are times when correcting error is unavoidable, but he seems to ONLY fault-find.
Exactly, so sad to see Mr. Sourpuss getting on everyone's case to that extreme... lighten up a little. God is way bigger than our puny little understanding of things. Yes, we need to test spirits, but not criticize every charismatic belief or experience 🔥 ❤ 🔥
Thanks, Rod for always emphasizing the need and importance of balance. God bless you real good.
Balance. Hmmm...
Please, help me. In which book, chapter, and verse, can I find instruction on maintaining balance?
@@Zionist_Eternal
He's talking balance when criticising.
Overcriticising is sign of critical spirit & lacking love
@@ClassyElegant
Exactly. The kind of love dominating the entirety of Justin(my dear brother in Christ)'s attacks on our brothers and sisters who confess Christ crucified (II John 1) but somehow disagree with Justin's theology, is more akin to that of an abusive husband beating up on his wife because she can't get it through her head how much he loves her, than the love of the Father.
The Church, the Bride, the body of Christ, WILL be known to the non-believers by our love one for another. Anyone who places an, "I know better..." piece of theology above love for the brethren walks out of balance. And, I pray that light comes alive in Justin as well as everyone else in these threads.
I wonder what Justin would have thought of David dancing before the Lord till his girdle fell down. LOL
He probably would say that Satan inspired him... he says that a lot.
The irony in calling Charismatics weird is that none-believers call all Christians weird. So that doesn’t prove that what we believe is wrong. It exposes those who calls us weird as having no substantive critique of our theology.
I still enjoy these videos, I love them!!
Haven't listened yet, but after looking at the thumbnail and laughing, I said aloud, "I'm just wondering why I am so weird..."
I've watched quite a few of Justin Peters' videos. He criticises Charismatics for not preaching the Gospel. But HE doesn’t preach The Gospel himself; he just criticises Charismatics all the time.
Jesus had the ultimate wolf in His midst (Judas) but He never publicly called him out.
Also, Jesus told us to let the tares and the wheat grow up together (Matthew 13:24-30) and the reapers would separate them in the harvest.
I always liked that about the wheat and tares... interesting how Jesus never called out Judas, I need to think on that a while, because I also know that wicked men prevail when good men do nothing 🔥 ❤ 🔥
Really interesting video, thank you. Brilliant testimony too
Hi Rob. It is nice to see a sense of balance in these Christian UA-cam videos. So far, I am enjoying yours and Melissa Dougherty. As for that young lady in your B Roll, I just laughed. It's the first time I've seen that and I am a Charismatic and been one since the 9s. Hey, I've seen my own collection of oddities. Keep up the good work.
I REALLY enjoyed your account of the miracle case at the end. So so awesome. Praise the Lord our God Jesus.
blessings to you good sir
I love it when God "freaks my weirdness!" Good stuff Rod, being Type 1 myself, loved this Brother!!!
So yeah, the "Holy Spirit activate" mantra, literally and emphatically speaking.
God is always alive and will be. The third person of the Trinity will always be there in our lives.
I admit there are great points emphasizing the importance of spiritual gifts for the believers and the Church. However, the woman who danced in Family Feud has a misplaced context in the few seconds of the clip. This phrase sounds like you are witnessing a cartoon character emitting common magic words from his/her mouth.
If you are a true believer and continues to abide in the guidance of the Holy Spirit under the whole counsel, you wouldn't have to be crazy other than expressing, "Let Your will be done!"
Charismatics are not weird, but we have to understand the fruits of the Spirit: Self-control.
I agree with what you’re saying. It’s too bad though because what she did only caused confusion on the show and all over the internet. It didn’t glorify God and many found it humorous.
Very good video. Well done brother!
I would have to agree with Justin about the whole "Holy Spirit" activate performance. I know atheists that have posted that on their facebook pages mocking Christians and Christianity. Its an embarrassing display. And she's on a game show after winning what ? Its a bad witness. I'll be the first person to agree with you on almost everything else Justin rants about but I honestly have to agree with him on that activate thing.
Such a great video, thanks!
Really good story at the end!!
I came up in the word of faith movement, wherein I learned about Smith Wiggleswoth.
He
Related an account of his attending Quaker service, and there he observed that
they sat quietly, waiting for the Spirit to move. Then he said, If the Spirit doesn't, I move the Spirit.
I am sure both were correct, but you don't have to wait.
Those who have never been in the Spirit, nor experienced the genuine gifts and manifestations of the Holy Ghost seem to boast of their ignorance. If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant still. Grace and Peace.
I don't consider myself charismatic consider myself old school Pentecostal holiness
Nice 🔥 ❤ 🔥 I like that.
I don't remember reading in the Bible that we all must get Justin Peter's approval before we're accepted by God. I guess that passage of scripture is located in the book of imaginations, chapter 3 verse 1.
Hydrogen & Helium are both atoms & molecules. Hydrogen molecule consists of two atoms. Helium molecules, like all the noble gases, consists of a single atom - it is termed monatomic.
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God,for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned.But he who is spiritual judges all things,yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?”But we have the mind of Christ.
The fruits of his ministry are division, anger, and religion. Justin Peters was not called by God to do what he is doing because there is no content to him, no revelation, no teaching, no positive work for the Body of Christ.
That’s the whole thing with most of these “discernment “ guys. People like Justin Peters, Missionary Spencer Smith, etc., only tear down other believers and esteem their own interpretation of God’s word. These people literally believe they have “cornered” the Bible and know all there is to know about God.
@@Stryper1 Exactly, there is a lot of pride and carnality to what they do.
Anyway, the Gosepl is foolishness to those who are perishing.
@@andinda7915 I do not think Justin Peters is prideful.
@@Romans8-9 Any man who sees it as his ministry to tear down others constantly which is not a ministry in the Bible is prideful and thinks that they are better than other Christians.
@@StonyKalango No he is just doing what the Bible commands him to do. 1 John 2:9-11.
I love it when people who don't understand our belief system (The Holy Bible) call us "weird". Great video Brother Rod. Be Blessed!
Our “belief system”? lol system is correct
Praise the Lord for that wonderful testimony - Hallelujah!!! - and thanks for your unhypocritical faith and mature rebuttal of Justin's attempt to criticize those of like precious faith
Thank you Rod. That blessed me "I'm in favor of seeing God be God and displaying His awesome power in response to faith" BTW I do like Sid Roth :). Again, thank you Rod.
Brilliant again Rod. Sorry to see how divided we are. Without Spiritual gifts in operation we only have a theory!
Meh, I enjoy being weird. Hardly an insult.
Another great video, Rod.
Being weird certainly doesn't mean you're being correct or biblical though...
Great testimony Rod.
Then, why did we have to have Pentecost?
Funny how IFB KJVOists are never called "weird". And only non-fringe charismatics are calvinists is ridiculous. Justin should repent. And calvinists continue to pick & choose which "all"s in the Bible actually mean all.
The one we follow , Jesus, was a little "weird" at times. One time he spit in the dirt, made a couple mud paddies, and rubbed them in a blind man's eyes. Another time he was on top of the Temple contemplating jumping, just to see if His Father would catch Him. Another time he was walking around on top of the water following his friend's who were riding in a boat. And another time he was throwing tables over in the Temple and whipping people with a homemade whip. On another occasion he was standing near a dead man's tomb demanding he come out of it.
So, yes, we follow Jesus, and, as He got weird occasionally, so do we.
Yes, he cursed the fig tree too, rebuke the wind and waves, and often used some strong language when needed... I love that man (God) 🔥 ❤ 🔥
I Don't Know Peters
Why Did The Religious People Say Yeshua Had A Demon?
Wow, Rod, your background information is impressive.
Considering her background and addiction, it is a blessing to see her exiced about God.
Yeah Peterson went on a rabbit trail, but when he was introducing his criticism, he almost cracked a smile himself.
I know it's tough to see, but it would be great if he would lighten up a bit.
they also say that contemporary worship is wrong..I get what they mean that worship also should be done just like theirs in a solemn hymns...not like with bands the usual contemporary way...because they call it "noise" or some sort of khundalini spirit or something like that
I used to sing & play guitar in a church band which did a mix of new and old songs. See Matthew 13:52! Yeah I don't like the weird stuffy "regulative principle" thing the traditionalists espouse. That said, there can be an opening to khundalini spirit or a succubus spirit in church music. Ironically, it's the anti-supernatural cessationists who most often (rightly) point out this reality, tho they usually misapply it. And point it our judgmentally and not in love.
At any rate, I think it's best to just follow JESUS and leave these blind leaders of the blind to themselves (just as JESUS told us)
Translation of Justin saying the ‘sovereignty of God’ - he thinks God is the author not only of good, but of evil also. But it’s not true, the devil is the author of evil. He has NO understanding of what God does or who He is, just like most Calvinists.
He also has a point but yes he might be on extreme end because we can't blame him for there are many false prophets,teachers,charlatans etc who are popular today
Todays talk helped me. I'm encouraged that I can be charismatic and not have to agree everyone who speaks in tongues.
I agree with you about sid Roth having a very low bar for guests aka discernment isn't very good. JP is pretty good minus the Calvinism...
I don't mean to speak for all Calvinists, but the ones I've heard and seen come across to me as being all head and no heart. Their heads are screwed on so tight that their brains are getting squashed. Don't get me wrong--I think its great that they hold a high view of scripture, and are very careful with it. But some of them just need to LIGHTEN UP!
JP is a finely tuned Pharisee and an accuser of the brethren.
"Holy Spirit activate" - " I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands" 2 Tim 1:6 --- gosh I imagine Paul should have listened to Justin. There is no need to "fan into flame " God, he is always burning?
Well, gotta agree with you, Rod on the ol Justin Peters. Yeah, the apostle Paul wrote (by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) in Phil. 1:9 "and this I pray; that your love may abound yet more and more in all knowledge and judgment." If we are growing in our judgment (discernment) we don't really need the Ol' Justin Peters to guide us. Is he trying to shame us concerning the gifts? Does he want us to defend every action and word of every Charismaniac? (I mean Charismatic) I voted for Donald Trump, does he expect me to defend every word (the Donald) says? Even Melania won't do that. He's almost the National Enquirer of the Cessationist/ Strange Fire conference. Whether you laugh or rage, there seems to be no rest. I would guess that the same group of easily amused Christians tune into Justin Peters to get the latest leavened bread. He seems puffed up against the Charismatics/ the Charismatic movement and to little avail. I'm not sure what good he imagines that he's doing. He doesn't seem to be a man of great understanding. No. He just seems ready to argue and hope that some will come to the Cessationist churches that he approves.
Another good video, Rod...... I appreciate your knowledge and insights. Yes, I've learned quite a few things here over the years; thank you for your service here.
Well I wonder if Justin will be consistent? This is what is said of Jesus John 10:20 (MSG)
20 A lot of them were saying, "He's crazy, a maniac-out of his head completely. Why bother listening to him?"
So will he also say that Jesus is crazy? I would wait but I doubt that will happen.
could it be that the tongues spoken by kenneth copeland are from another spirit?.. does anyone actually interpret any of the tongues widely spoken in the charismatic movement as prescribed by paul? to test the spirit to see if they are actual "tongues" from The Spirit of The Holy Ghost? or do they just trust their own heart.... and ignore paul ....and blurt out strange tongues against pauls gospel-->
[1Co 14:27-28 KJV] 27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
[Jer 17:9 KJV] 9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Do you actually speak in tongues to know the difference?
@@paulc7190 we are told to try the spirits... to see if they are actually the Spirit of Truth.. or the spirit of err.. there is NO other way than to try them against The Word(they will lie to you)...
1 John 4:1 KJV - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Proverbs 14:12 KJV - There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
@@paulc7190 and... I havent personally... but my dad did properly interpret the tongues another in the congeregation spoke and the thing my dad interpreted did come to pass precisely haw my dad said of what was spoken. And this was all done in the way paul described actual tongues of The Holy Ghost should transpire.
In Luke 11:11-13 "If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, for a fish will he give him a serpent? (12) Or if he ask him an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? (13) If you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more shall your heavenly father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him.
This is an important scripture to hold on to concerning the suspicions that the Cessationist would like to bring into the Charismatic church services. If you are asking for the Holy Spirit and the gifts that are available, God the Father is not going to give you a (devil or demon) scorpion. The cessationist are desperate in their desire to keep people/christians out of Charismatic churches, that they've stooped to saying crazy things about services and the supposed counterfeit spirits that are supposedly going around. It happened in Jesus day, and that's the reason for that scripture. We don't have to fear getting anything less than something good from our Heavenly Father when we ask Him.
No. Kenneth Copeland doesn't have another 'tongues' Be careful with what the cessationist are saying; trying to bring suspicions concerning their competition.
Hey David nice to find you once again Kenneth Copeland is a con artist and a scanner.
Whenever you see someone try and heal someone on stage you know 100% that it is all bullshit.
Only the gullible relieved from such a thing.
Hydrogen (H1) and Helium (H2) are elements.
This is fantastic and Holy Spirit led.
I’m alarmed at the stiff necked, need of nothing antagonists who are afraid of not being “normal.”
Stir up the gift
Good point. I should have used that verse.
@@JewandGreek I preached a sermon bringing that “ Holy Spirit “ activate in it but it’s a ways into a sermon and would have to either be willing to watch the whole sermon or I could show when I start speaking on it if you will like to hear it. I know you are busy though love your content doing a great job confounding the Pharisees
Those who oppose the doctrines of Grace aka Calvinism, often speak sarcastically about predestination, The Elect, and the sovereignty of GOD. Clearly they have not done their research. I found 100 verses that speak directly about predestination and the Elect, and 100 verses that speak about the sovereignty of GOD, and that was just from looking at my Bible app. As R.C. Sproul has said repeatedly “Nothing occurs outside of the Will of GOD”, that includes, who will be saved, the Fall of Mankind, every evil done in the world…everything! GOD is never to be blamed for evil, and just because GOD ordains something, does not mean He stamps it with His approval. GOD’s sovereignty and predestining does not negate our freewill, in relation to our ability to make choices. Predestining, or Electing those who will be saved is not an act against our freewill, rather GOD changes the disposition of those He elects, that by nature is enmity against GOD to a new nature that desires Him. God has complete control; He is the one who, of His own sovereign will, freely chooses those whom He will save. He not only Elects those whom He will save, but He actually accomplishes their Salvation. Rather than simply make salvation possible, God chooses those whom He will save and then saves them, This view puts God in His proper place as Creator and Sovereign. Many claim that GOD would be unfair to save some, and pass over others, lets me clear about some facts, no one deserves Salvation, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”. Romans 3:23. GOD does not owe anyone anything, and that certainly pertains to Salvation, what we deserve is Hell. We ignorantly cry out for justice, but what we really mean and want is mercy! Some people will receive mercy, others will receive justice, no one receives injustice with GOD.
All Christians believe that God is sovereign, but we disagree on the implications of His sovereignty. Even Sproul acknowledged that. And all Christians believe that God predestines the elect to be conformed to the image of His Son in the resurrection, but we don't all see Calvinistic predestination in the Scriptures because nowhere does it say that God predestined some for heaven and some for hell from the beginning of time. If God were to ordain the fall (as per Calvinism and the "whatsoever" in the Westminster Confession) and then only provide atonement for a small minority (Limited Atonement) then that would mean that the vast majority of mankind fell into condemnation that they had no choice in, and will suffer for eternity as a result. That is in fact injustice, and that's why Calvinism is wrong.
@@JewandGreek You're foolish with cheap theology
I find it fascinating how Johnny Mac is so willing to profit from attacking those with whom he disagrees in both the church and the secular world. According to his doctrine they are only doing what God has decreed for them to do. You'd think he'd rather rejoice in seeing God's will being done on the earth. However, according to Calvinism even the Lord's Prayer is rhetorical in that regard.
Wrong. Calvinists acknowledge that God uses his servants as means. Decreeing what comes to pass does not mean God is forcing the reprobate to sin. Common straw -man argument from Arminians.
@@Romans8-9 Calvinists believe that God is the author of everything. Doesn’t really fit with what you are saying - at all. But if you are a Calvinist you can’t see straight anyway, you’re view of everything is put under the Calvinism umbrella.
@@keith3362 It is a strawman. Because Calvinists are not fatalists which is what you are proposing. God decreeing doesnt mean God "caused". Who was to blame from your theological perspective when the Moabites attacked and killed the jews? By the way, God said he would use the Moabites as a sword to punish the disobedient Israelites in Judges. Where is the free will here from your perspective?
Decreeing is not biblical for Christians.
@@feathers34 Correct but God decreeing is Biblical.
This is typical of JP. He takes the most ridiculous examples and labels the entire belief system false as a result. I bet most Charismatic would roll their eyes at the lady on Family Feud as well.
Yea, they were ordained Apostles. Also, they spoke 16-17 Real languages
Peters comes out of the same stable as the Pharisees & Sadducees. They were obsessed with constantly & consistently pointing out Jesus’ supposed errors & heresies. Peters would be quite at home with them. The saddest thing is that despite their supposed excellence in understanding the scriptures, they still not only missed the true Messiah but ultimately crucified him. The apostle Paul similarly took the same error-strewn approach until brought to his knees by the Holy Spirit. Peters and his finger-pointing cohorts need to exercise great care-they tread a dangerous path
Rod, you might be aware of the recent supposed "History" of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement posted by JP today.
I look forward to your rebuttal with your excellent research skills. Even with my own knowledge it really looks like he is back to his old tricks to the uninformed.
He seems to be ignorant of Craig Keeners three volume books on "Miracles" when he says there are no actual cases of organic healing in the charismatic movement. (Having seen a few myself with medical records first hand)
He makes the claim that John G Lake claimed to be Elijah..which in my 5 years of reading everything I know of him.he critiqued Dowie for that claim..so something seems bogus.
Anyway. I'm sure you'd have a great time doing your stuff on that video I just hope you get as many views as he has.😮
And although God is omnipotent, we neverless must share the Gospel, for example, and to ys has been committed the ministry of reconciliation.
Keep in mind that Justin thinks he’s the know it all on everything.
He does not believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and healing for today.
Instead he is the master of criticizing anyone that disagrees with him.
He simply thinks he’s smarter that everyone else and ignores scripture that says otherwise.
Jeremiah 18:11 (KJV)
Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.
Jeremiah 26:13 (KJV)
Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
Jeremiah 11:11 (KJV)
Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.
Jeremiah 25:29 (KJV)
For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
Don’t care for most of what Justin says but he does have this one correct .
GOD will bring evil to the evil’s door .
Dear, Father most holy...
This Christian beating up on that Christian. Brother fighting brother. I don't think this is what Jesus had in mind when he spoke of five in one household being divided, two against three, three against two. I have always entertained the idea He was referencing people in the Spirit--i.e., brothers and sisters in Christ known for their unity and love one for another--divided from nonbelievers in the world. I won't put that in stone; it's just what I've always thought. Albeit, these peoples' behaviors could explain the hatred epidemic within the ranks of the church. After all, though we are one body made of different parts--one an eye, another a finger, one a hand, another an ear, so on and so forth... I guess somebody has to be the asshole.
Rod, you should read books to audio. I could listen to you for hours! I always appreciate your perspective.
Agreed
Great video, Rod! 😎👍
Are we really that weird though? Why is Justin so adamant that we're the weird ones? 🤔
Personally, I find some things from the Calvinism camp super weird. 🤷♂️
But hey, if I'm weird, I'm fine with that. And I'll say with King David, "Yes, and I am willing to look even more foolish than this, even to be humiliated in my own eyes!...” 2 Samuel 6:22 NLT
💡 Side note: Elijah Stevens might be interested in that ladies testimony with the medical documentation. Perhaps send it to him. 👍
what does J.P. mean by Apostlic Gifts? Since if he thinks that only the Apostles did what signs and wonders? guess what so did the disciples. read who spoke in tongues. read the book of Acts- how about healing. read the book of Acts. or Pauls letters.
Paul was an apostle. So are those mentioned in Acts.
@@Romans8-9 so was Barnabas. And actually in a letter from Paul to the Philippines I think it is. That Paul says your apostle. The NIV ,CSB,NKJV. Etc. Say your messenger. In the Greek. It is apostle. Same as for Stephen and Silas. In. 1st Thes.
Well whatever your belief is, the gifts have ceased now because the Bible has been translated. What purpose does tongues have now for example? Now that God´s word is in every language many times over. If people are getting new revelations from God, they should be translated and recorded and put in writing but it is clear why that is not the case because scripture is now complete and has been for some time, so the Apostolic gifts are no longer necessary.
@@Romans8-9 u have no Scripture to back up your viewpoint. Paul actually says they dint go away until. The return of Jesus.
@@Romans8-9 , that is your opinion. Paul said they all go on to when Lord Jesus returns. 1st Corinthians C. 13 and also 1st Corinthians C 1 verse 7.
Wait so they didn't actually care about charismata... just people who believe God sovereignly gave man moral agency and doesn't control all evil by design, but that our evil wasn't determined by God.
Odd.
You can't talk about heaven:
When the apostle Paul (the theologian formerly known as Saul of Tarsus) wrote to the church in Corinth about a particularly significant religious experience, he informed them that his journey to the “third heaven” or “Paradise” resulted in his hearing “things that are not able to be told, that no mortal is permitted to ...
No Man I and you has never gone too the theirs Heaven where God lives:
John 3:13 ►
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No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man.
Have you ever read the book of Revelation?
Explain what tongues means then ?
I think the charismatic community has gone off the deep end....and the God loving Charismatics are not even calling them out, but instead, are embracing them and even promoting them. Also, the false prophets and false teachers (can we say Bill Johnson, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Steven Furtick) are promoted by our charismatic friends...which further harms their credibility...and i also think that the devil has more cover with the charismatic group because they are always looking for signs, miracles, wonders and the supernatural.....just my opinion...and I've been in the charismatic church for 30 years....until recently, when the Lord moved me out of it.
Did Justin say that pentecostals were 'unsaved' or that they are 'weird'?
He has called many charismatics on saved in so many videos. You just have to look it up on UA-cam. It’s almost funny because he forgot Jesus’s commandment to judge nut which means to give a sentence on someone salvation
@@StonyKalango Many charismatics *are* unsaved- that is not controversial. You can believe everything they teach and still not come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ!
@@solideomusical So you’re literally doing what Jesus said you should not do. You say that people who declared that you saved based on what the Bible declares are not saved. You are given judgment where you are not supposed to. I am so glad that you are not God for you will condemn billions of more people to hell than he does
@@StonyKalango Wait, so you believe *all charismatics* are saved?
@@solideomusical do you believe all cessationist Calvinists are saved?
Where are Nigerians?
My! They criticise WoF so much
I love Justin Peters and believe what he says ,he tells the truth ,sid roth ,Kat Kerr, etc.. are disgusting . My mother died of cancer and sent every penny she had to prosperity charamastics who to send more ..she thought something was wrong with her .She was told more and more til She had 0 when she died . I love that Justin tells the truth . Praise God for him and those that tell the truth . I love this new series lol and praise God that real Christians out there .
So you're okay with Justin spreading misinformation and division because your mom sent money to televangelists? BTW, I've never sent any money to charismatic televangelists.
@@JewandGreek I don't think he does spread misinformation ,he tells the truth and can back it up with scripture. I'm grateful for his videos as for my mother who died right in front of me, yes it hurt . She kept being told to keep sending because her faith was not strong enough .Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Benny hinn. She began to starve to death .She would even give food money to them . She loved each one of these charismatics for different reasons. When She died me and my brother had nowhere to go our house was taken and we became homeless. Thank God we have a home now and my father grevieved himself to death . I take care of my brother now and we are starting all over in life .God never left us and stayed with us and I couldn't make it without him . I'm glad Justin Peters exposes these men .we need more like him . I mean no disrespect by I believe him and I believe God more and we all need discernment.
@@anthonysummer7028 I've done dozens of videos showing how Justin Peters misrepresents Word of Faith teachers and teaching. I'm sorry that you went through all of that with your mother. Some people put too much emphasis on money, but the leader of the word of faith movement didn't do that and didn't condone it.
@@JewandGreek You should be sorry for this guy. And think about this guy and his family the next time you decide to defend the most obvious false teacher in history, Kenneth Copeland.
Sounds like a whole family did not make time to read the word of God. that's why many are deceived.
Some Charismatics are weird. Justin is weird as well. When Christians are walking after their flesh and not walking in the Holy Spirit they will do some really weird things.
Ya know...
Enough. Here is the deal, and it cuts all ways...
... to Justin, to this guy, to you, and to me. The Church has become full of people who declare, spewing at any and all opportunities, "I know!"
We know nothing but loving our Father with all our hearts, loving our brothers as ourselves, spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and working out, each one of us, our own salvation with fear and trembling. Do you really know?
Seriously?
~~~~ Job 39:4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
5 Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
6 “On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy? ~~~~
Knock it off! Above all, I have read somewhere, Love one another!
Greetings. I’m not Pentecostal or charismatic but the Calvinist God is an ogre!
Many people don't realize that calvinism is a very minority view , especially amongst scholars with a high view of scripture . These people on this family feud show may be our brothers n sisters in CHRIST but they're very confused I must say .
Every time I see you defending the charismatic / Pentecostal movement, I thank God for removing me from that false system of belief. Is the movement popular? Yes (especially Neo- Pentecostalism ). Are there true believers in that movement? Despite their theological errors, yes. But the question is - is it biblical you spend time defending it with experiences and taking Verses out of context. It would be more beneficial to the movement if you would stop defending the neo-Pentecostalism you see on television or UA-cam. Since you’ve been in the movement for 40 years, you would know that classic Pentecostalism, even with its theological errors, is contrary to the neo-Pentecostalism you keep defending. Hopefully, in your future videos, you will help us see by exegeting scriptures how biblical are the practices we see done by those “televangelists” you were defending.
He's doing a great job. you seem to be more narrow minded about what he is saying.
@@ChurchinthewildTX in what sense?
@@RichH1689 What is unbiblical about the Pentecostal Movement?
What is unbiblical about Pentecostalism? Please give me scriptures not what you think
God doesn't dwell in bldgs made by mans hands
Instead of getting upset and making videos check the scriptures and see if there is any truth in what your critics are saying
Yeah, I've read the Bible through several times and I've never read anywhere that charismatics are weird. Nor are we instructed to say things like that.
@@JewandGreek maybe Justin could use a different word to describe why Sid Roth, Kenneth Copeland,Jesse Duplantis, Jenna Winston etc...are weird, maybe the word unusual. You have to admit that these so called believers really aren't. The things they talk about,teach,are not biblical by no means. Just listening to a few minutes from your video sounds like you're defending these people and their ridiculous, outrageous, blasphemous claims. Sid's guests make the most ridiculous claims! they do sound strange..they are making a mockery of Messiah,The Holy Spirit. Bad witness to the unsaved.
@@JewandGreek I agree that we are not to call people or brethren names Matthew 5:22. We are also not to make these blasphemous claims like.. I went to heaven and eavesdropped on God..Jesus crawled into bed with me and played with my hair..bibles soak in oil.. Skittles raining from heaven! Do you see how ridiculous these claims are? Can you see why someone would call these wierd? Do you see how these are blasphemous?
Your theology Justin: because God determined it!! .. that is IF you believe in your system of theology
Do you speak in tongues? If so without and interpreter you are causing confusion. We all know where that comes from. The apostolic gifts are not used in the way the apostles used them. This does not mean that God never heals or even that He does not use tongues. But that is God doing this and had nothing to do with a particular person. And as far as tongues that was always a known language not baby talk or gibberish.
1 Cor. 14:2 says "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit." So if no one understands it must not be a known language. So much for your final point. As for your first point, nobody interpreted on the Day of Pentecost did they? You see, when tongues are manifested as a sign there's no need for an interpreter because people are hearing their own language being spoken. What Paul was referring to in 1 Cor. 14:26-28 was the gift of tongues in public assembly. He wasn't saying that every time you speak in tongues you need an interpreter. Only when you are gathered as the church. When you speak in tongues in your private devotion no interpreter is necessary because you're not around others who could be confused.
A serious question Mr. Peters … I heartily agree with your assessments of these obvious liars and of the inexplicable Sid Roth. But why do you spend time debunking these claims and obvious charlatans? They are part of why I consider the ‘lunatic fringe’ of the Church, if they are in then hutch at all. Anyone with an ounce of godly discernment can see how false and ridiculous are there claims. So why waste time even drawing attention to them? It seems that ignoring them would the best response.
Hmm, maybe because the Bible commands us to! Ephesians 5:11 1 Corinthians 5:11; 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14; 2 Timothy 3:5; 2 John 10.
In 1 Tim 5:19-20, Paul says to rebuke those who do not accept correction, in the presence of all. This would include false teaching.
You say any one with an ounce of discernment can see how ridiculous they are. Well Kenneth Copeland still has a big following as do many other wolves and I refuse to believe that every single person following him has not been born again, there has to be a small minority with a shallow understanding of Biblical doctrine caught up with them.
You have 7-11 theology! GET A CLUE!
Their view of sovereignty is what’s weird 🥴
Kenneth Hagin is a heretic though... right?
Kenneth Hagin affirmed all of the essential doctrines of the faith and was not a heretic.
@@JewandGreek He is though and you are easily deceived... you've literally defended Joel Osteen who thinks that homosexuals, Catholics and Mormons are going to heaven... you need to get into God's Word (kjv) and not any other books, trust that the Holy Ghost will reveal truth to you, as Scripture says.
I think you are missing the point on what Justin Peter's is saying. He specifically is pointing out the weird people, and showing on video the crazy weird stuff they do! Justin did say that he believes God heals people, but not the way Sid, Benny, and Jesse Deplantis ECT do. I totally agree with brother Justin Peters.
And I think you're missing the point. There's no basis in Scripture for calling your theological opponents weird. Justin is pushing a narrative, and he doesn't care about facts. What Chynna Phillips was saying was in no way suggesting that God is not active in the universe. That's absurd.
Justin P does not believe the gift of healing still exists, even though it’s in the Bible - and nowhere in the Bible does it say the gifts ceased, unless you are actually in heaven, where they are not needed.
Do you think Christmas Town exists in Heaven!?
Why are charismatic weird!?
99.9% of charismatics don't believe in Christmas Town, but I suspect that you know that. Now, John MacArthur said that you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved. That's diametrically opposed to Scripture. John Piper said that God ordained 9/11, as well as the letters you get when you play Scrabble. That's pretty absurd, wouldn't you say? Voddie Baucham calls babies "vipers in diapers". That's outrageous. R. C. Sproul said that God damned Jesus on the cross. And then the ultimate Calvinist John Calvin had Servetus executed for denying the Trinity. You can't get much more outrageous than that.
Thanks SO much Rod for your biblical stance, passion, and boldness to declare the truth. It seems like you're right down my alley. Blessings 🔥 🔥
Unlike Justin peters, you sound like you’re angry
yes' why are they so WEIRD? can they simply OBEY GOD? stop making any CIRCUS ACTS....
If you speak in tongues they still have to be understood by someone It’s nonsense. I like Justin Peters. I’ll bet he’s drawn more people to Jesus than what I’ve read today
Tongues only need to be understood when they're manifested as a sign gift as on the Day of Pentecost. When you're speaking to God (1 Cor. 14:2) He understands but nobody else needs to. When you're speaking in a public gathering of believers nobody needs to understand but there needs to be an interpretation accompanying it. As for JP, he draws people away from continuationism but not necessarily to faith in Jesus. The vast majority of evangelism on the planet is done by charismatics.
if you are realy sure about that what you are suggesting here please have a look at the second part of J.P.s why are....and try to harmonize that with your faith..I am sure noone sensible can ever do that..and by the way I (nobody) do not agree with you.. there is no feer of God in this people ..about whom do they think they are talking???Holy Spirit is not one you can call come here or go away ..in Jons 14,15 sais it all..God bless you all
Mr. Saunders(sp?) clearly proves Justin Peters point, he is fringe line weird! Where does he get that stuff?
Why are they so weird though?
It's all subjective. I could just as easily ask "why are Calvinists so angry and mean?"