Justin Peters' "Clouds Without Water" 1 - Dangerous Doctrines: My Rebuttal
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- My rebuttal to the first video in Justin Peters' series of videos on Clouds Without Water. This session was called "Dangerous Doctrines". He claims that Kenneth Hagin said that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God, accuses Creflo Dollar of teaching Arianism, and says that WoF people are as lost as Muslims.
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I'm Rod Saunders, founder of Jew and Greek. I’m a musician, web developer, and a student of philosophy and economics. I recently published my first book on Amazon entitled Defending the Faith: Word of Faith Apologetics. It’s a response to the numerous charges against and misrepresentations of the Word of Faith movement and theology. I also have a CD of original music on CD Baby entitled Gates of Pearl. “Jew and Greek” is a good name because the two civilizations that influenced Western civilization the most were those of the Judeo-Christian and Greek worlds. From the Jews we received our values and a monotheistic theology, and from the Greeks we got philosophy which brought us science, sports, the arts, democracy, and economics. As a result I discuss all of the above in this blog and in my videos.
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As I read through the negative comments here I see that none of you are able to present any kind of actual argument or refutation of anything I've said. They're all insults or general statements like "you need discernment" or "WoF is heresy" or "this is a bad rebuttal video". Don't any of you have anything of substance to say, or do you just feel sorry for JP and feel that you have to try to defend him?
Jew and Greek to much to say. Do some research and ask God to show you the truth. He will if you want it.
Thank you for proving my point.
Justin Peters is a hypocrite because he takes a great delight in exposing other false teachers, but refuses to be corrected by the Word of God over his false teaching on the pre-tribulation rapture.
Jesus Christ Himself told us directly by His own tongue that NOBODY can go to Him before he raises them at the Last Day. He reiterates this by then saying that ALL & EVERYBODY that the Father has given unto Him will be raised by Him at the Last Day. Yet Justin Peters claims that Jesus is going to appear and rescue christians 7 years before the Last Day, but when asked - Justin Peters refused to provide an answer for the reason for his this false hope.
Before replying to me with your pre-trib rapture false assertions, please read and fully understand the implications of John 6:39, 40, 44, and 54. Then read John 11:24 & John 12:48.
Thank you for providing a rebuttal to Justin Peters. I have listened to his videos repeatedly, and I have always been bothered by them. Though I agree with him on much of what he says, partly due to some of the abuses and excesses I have personally witnessed in the charismatic church, he tends to paint with too broad a brush. To him, it’s not just that some charismatic preachers are bad. The whole movement is bad. Furthermore, he seems to have an edge of bitterness to him. I get that he’s very passionate about what he does, but it almost seems personal. As if the Charismatic Movement wounded him somehow, and therefore his entire purpose has been to take them down (under the guise of exposing the frauds and charlatans). I’m also uncomfortable with his insistence that certain ministers and their followers are unsaved. That’s a pretty bold statement, and one that I find troublesome because it makes so many assumptions. The crux of his entire argument seems to be based around the Baptist view of Cessationism, which I do not subscribe to. I’ve also noticed that Baptists, or cessationists in general, are very mean-spirited and unfriendly towards charismatics or those in the prophetic movement. For a group that claims to carry the “love of Christ,” they sure have a funny way of showing it.
On a side note, my wife graduated from Rhema, and you won’t find a more loving, committed woman of God. It’s sad to me that a person like Justin Peters would ever question her faith or hold the wrongful assumption that she is unsaved.
@@thomasduncan4074 Thanks for the support. I believe that JP's attitude comes as a result of his experience in his youth. He has cerebral palsy, and as a teenager he started going to the meetings of faith healers. He never got healed, and I guess he concluded that they're all frauds and is on a vendetta against all things Charismatic and WoF. It would also explain why he is so careless with his research. His judgment is skewed by virtue of his contempt for Charismatics.
As Believers in Christ, we are to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
God bless!!!
I thought that this video would be a rebuttal of Justin's teaching on Word of Faith/Dangerous Doctrines, but it seems that after the first 5 minutes it's just a bunch of cheap shots, where you only pick apart some of the quotes and references he made about figures in the Charismatic Movement. Can you teach via scripture, that what Justin teaches about WOF is false?
Cheap shots? Do you know the definition of rebuttal? It's a contrary argument or response. I responded to the things JP said in his video. He said that Kenneth Hagin said that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God, and he said that it was a direct quote. I'm simply challenging him to prove his assertion. How is that a "cheap shot"? He then says that there's no prosperity gospel, implying that WoF people use that expression which isn't true. WoF opponents use it as a derogatory term. He then contrasts money and healing with persecution, which is the logical fallacy of a false choice. You can live in health and prosper financially and still suffer persecution. He then makes the assertion that Creflo Dollar and others in the WoF teach Arianism, without bothering to define Arianism, so I defined it for him. Once Arianism is defined I think it's clear that JP's assertion wasn't justified. He then says that WoF people are just as lost as Muslims, so I offered my background and the fact that I understand essential Christian theology to refute that claim. So tell me please, who is taking the cheap shots here? The guy branding people heretics by misrepresenting them, or the guy who responds to said misrepresentations?
As for teaching via scripture what JP teaches about WoF that is false, I think we first of all have to accurately define WoF theology without all of the misquotes, distortions, straw man tactics, out of context quotes, and other misinformation before we can do that. I'd be happy to discuss that, and in fact I have in several other videos, but before I can do that with JP he has to refrain from his bad scholarship aka BS.
Jew and Greek we do. That’s why we’re asking what the *Scriptural* rebuttal is. We’re not asking how impressive the WoF preacher’s lives are.
If somebody says that you're a socialist and you're not, are you going to try to prove that you're not from the Bible? Of course not, because you're trying to refute a misrepresentation of facts, not a misrepresentation of scripture. JP is spreading misinformation about what people say and do. As I told the first guy when it's a doctrinal issue I'm addressing I'll quote scripture, but if somebody says that Kenneth Hagin said that Adam could stand toe to toe with God, I can't prove that wrong with scripture. In fact I can't prove it wrong at all, because you can't really prove a negative. That's why I challenged JP to prove what he said, because the onus is on the one making the assertion. That's why the burden of proof is on the prosecution in a court of law. The defense doesn't have to prove innocence. The prosecution has to prove guilt. JP needs to prove that Kenneth Hagin said what he claims he said.
Jew and Greek I’m sorry... you do not know about my secular life. And my training in human nature and natural human defense tactics (intellectual). As with this video refuting Peters, you focus on *worldly* and *world-based*, beside-the-point details about location, history of the people who founded the location and numbers of people. Peters talks about the *Scriptural* basis for what he is saying and the Scriptural basis of *what is being taught*. Do you understand? You all - and I was in the Charismatic Movement - are conditioned to defend the *person*, using mundane details, about the contemporaneous world. Peters doesn’t address ANY of that because - and this is where I’m getting real with you - the celebrity and marketable attributes of the people who espouse this “gospel”, is irrelevant. The discussion is about whether or not it is compatible with God’s Word.
Jew and Greek Do you understand? You all are attacking Peters and *geography*. I know heresy that is preached in Times Square - I lived there. Language issues and physical comfort for First World people is not at all what we are talking about. Do you understand that? Listen as if you have NO preconceived notions. Peters is not attacking the *people* who started this. He’s discussing how WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT DOESNT ALIGN WITH **SCRIPTURE**. Christianity is not about human celebrity and resumés.
I was born in a very conservative deep seated catholic environment. I was baptized a catholic when still an infant and educated in a school ran by Italian priest. I knew all the rituals and 7 sacraments as requirement for salvation. But in 1981, my world became intirely knew when I got born again. After sometime I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and was empowered to share salvation with my 5 siblings. All are born again now and my younger brother serves as a pastor in a local pastorate. We as a family grew spiritually in a pentecostal charismatic church. Our pastor who graduated from a pentecostal seminary was actually born a methodist and whose father is a minister. He managed to maintain balance by cautioning us of the excesses and abuses that could and are happening within the charismatic circle. He emphasized the importance of being grounded in the scriptures. I am 62 years old and a living witness to the phenominal growth of christianity in my country the Philippines. I can say that the series of revival that caused this amazing growth was brought about and is attributed largely to the pentecostals and charismatics. Except for a few maybe but a lot of the baptist leaders were ranting and condemning this charismatic revival. If John Macarthur wrote a book about charismatic chaos, I might as well write also a book about the Baptist chaos in my country. The baptist themselve went into a series of splits and were not in accord with one another. My baptist pastor friend testifies to this. I agree with what JP says about the abuses and excesses being done in other pentecostal fellowships. But I am also aware of his inaccurate and baseless assertions and allegations about the WOF movement. a person who is prejudiced to another movement or denomination, and is intolerant of other’s opinions that differs from his, is on his way to becoming a religious bigot. Pentecostal preachers here in my country have been discreet and forgiving in not reacting inappopriately and being careful not to slander our baptist brothers inspite of their continous barking and ranting. I hope they will do as well. We need a lot of these videos by Jew and Greek to be educated of the past. Ignorance of past history is a breeding ground for false beliefs and accusations which leads to attributing the Works of God inappopriately. There is a wide margin of difference when people talk of things they saw and experience compared to people who gathers and cherry pick informations they did not even experience to suit their point. May you continue my brother in this direction and calling in the strength oh the Lord. Surely you will meet disagreements, but my support is totally with you.
Thanks for sharing all of that Albert. I'm glad that my videos have been a blessing to you. Maybe someday I will make it to the Philippines and have a chance to discuss these things with some of the leaders there. Blessings!
Justin Peters uses the Bible with references you didn't use one scripture to back up your points. Use the scriptures to back up your point and it would be more effective.
I've done 8 videos on JP, and most of them have scripture included to rebut him doctrinally. When you're just addressing factual things like I was in this video, it's not a matter of quoting scripture. Kenneth Hagin didn't create Rhema Brazil - Bud and Jan Wright did. Kenneth Hagin didn't say "Adam could stand 'toe to toe' with God". That's just factually wrong. WoF teachers don't use the term "prosperity gospel". That's an expression used by WoF critics. Creflo Dollar doesn't teach Arianism, because Arianism is the belief that Jesus hasn't eternally existed as the Son of God, and Creflo believes in the eternal sonship of Jesus. I can't refute misinformation about people by quoting scripture. I can only refute bad doctrine with scripture, and I do plenty of that in other videos. But I'm not so concerned about rebutting his doctrine as I am his misinformation. JP doesn't know what he's talking about, and people need to be made aware of that.
Jew and Greek as a women who grew up in the ‘Word of faith’ doctrine I don’t think you realize how damaging this teaching is. I remember lights and water being cut off and eventually homeless due to my parents giving everything they earned to about every teacher on TBN. They would speak in tongues and say confessions for Blessings everyday. As I got older I began to seek a relationship with God without expecting material Blessings in return and began listening to reformed doctrine such as Justin Peters and etc and have never been happier and more at piece.
I'm sorry about your misfortune, but I don't see that WoF doctrine is the culprit. Error and extremism were to blame. I never gave all of my money to TBN. In fact I don't think I've ever given any money to anybody on TBN.
Brad Smith my thought exactly
Brad Smith Justin Peters lies and uses scripture out of context! He’s a false teacher and a liar and slanders others.
He is talking loud and saying nothing...
Maria depaveea Nice dog
Justin Peter's backs up his claims with the word of God. What is this man doing? Nothing as I can see.
I've done 8 videos on JP, and most of them have scripture included to rebut him doctrinally. When you're just addressing factual things like I was in this video, it's not a matter of quoting scripture. Kenneth Hagin didn't create Rhema Brazil - Bud and Jan WrWight did. Kenneth Hagin didn't say "Adam could stand 'toe to toe' with God". That's just factually wrong. WoF teachers don't use the term "prosperity gospel". That's an expression used by WoF critics. Creflo Dollar doesn't teach Arianism, because Arianism is the belief that Jesus hasn't eternally existed as the Son of God, and Creflo believes in the eternal sonship of Jesus. I can't refute misinformation about people by quoting scripture. I can only refute bad doctrine with scripture, and I do plenty of that in other videos. But I'm not so concerned about rebutting his doctrine as I am his misinformation. JP doesn't know what he's talking about, and people need to be made aware of that.
Justin "backs up" straw men, false assumptions, and factual errancy all day long... yes, he does, and he slanders righteous people all day long... just get a Bible verse up there for the unthinking... and that seals the deal.
@@lightlover33 you are spot on! wow.
Thanks for this video. Very informative. You’ve got a new subscriber.
I appreciate this presentation.
Thank you for this video
Can you please do a video of what the Word of Faith really is
Hi Fred. It's on my list. I should have one ready in a few weeks. Thanks for watching.
Jew and Greek thanks again
A friend of mine had introduced me to Justin Peters and some of these folks that made me want to turn away from my beliefs
Now you have shown me through your videos that what they are saying is wrong
I'm glad to hear that, Fred. Too many people are being scared away from the WoF by the bad research and analysis from these hacks. The Spirit of God prompted me to respond. Be blessed!
Okay Fred. The video is ready. ua-cam.com/video/vzGEV5y17Iw/v-deo.html
Brother, you are truly a blessing to the Body Of Christ. Thank you for addressing these issues which have been terribly misunderstood and misrepresented. I have been disturbed and grieved by this sort of uncannily bold naming and shaming, slandering, and overall gross misrepresentations of so many mighty men and women of God. I cannot get my head around how some brothers (and sisters at times) who supposedly have the "corner on the truth" and "perfect theology", can also have such a lack of "fear of God", so poorly mischaracterizing the beliefs of others who don't see things exactly as they do, but most of all, rendering judgment and saying things like they aren't even saved or part of the BOC. I pray and believe for a true fear of God to hit the Church and for there to be true repentance and unity. As I read 2 Corinthians 11:3-15, I cannot help but sense that Paul is describing something very similar to this "self-righteous", pharisaical spirit we have seen rising up viciously against men and women of God, even trying to discredit recent powerful moves of God throughout the world. I wonder if you have considered that it comes from what Paul describes as, "a different spirit". I have nothing against JP or all the other Calvinist "doctrine police", and I consider these guys my brothers in Christ, but I firmly believe that we all need to be held to an account for unscriptural and non-Holy Spirit motivated assaults against Blood bought believers who may not subscribe to our exact theology (which, as you've explained, especially in the case of Calvinism and cessationsism, can be challenged quite easily using nothing but the Bible and a "scripturally whole" exegetical and hermeneutical approach). Keep up the good work, brother. -Hebrews 6:10 :)
With regard to Zachariah being struck dumb, I take HUGE issue with your aligning Matthew Henry's and John Calvin's observation with Joel Osteen's comment that 'He (God) knew Zachariah's own negative words would STOP HIS PLAN." Neither of those men even remotely inferred that idiotic observation. I suspect they'd both be insulted that you're including them in the same sentence with Osteen.
You may be right. It's hard to know without being able to ask them for clarification, but the word "interrupt" means "to stop the continuous progress of" so by that definition Calvin was saying that Zacharias was indeed stopping the plan of God from unfolding. As for Matthew Henry, he stated that these were "distrustful and unbelieving words". Didn't the unbelieving words of the 10 Israelite spies keep the children of Israel from possessing the Promised Land? Wasn't Jesus kept from doing might works in Nazareth because of their unbelief? If Jesus could be hindered by unbelief wouldn't it stand to reason that Zacharias' unchecked unbelief could throw a monkey wrench into the birth of John the Baptist to an elderly couple?
Jew and Greek We indeed do have clarification. Henry says, "Thus He prevented his speaking any more such distrustful words." Calvin says, "...that, being dumb, he might await the fulfillment of the promise...instead of interrupting it by noisy murmurs..." Very clear to me. That is NOT what Osteen said or meant; he was clear as well.
You seem to be conflating the remedy for the problem. The problem was that Zacharias was speaking unbelief, and unbelief can hinder the work of God. The remedy was in Gabriel striking him dumb. That doesn't mean that there wasn't a problem to resolve.
Jew and Greek So you're saying that if he had kept laughing, it would have prevented the forerunner of Christ being born...a birth that was foretold hundreds of years earlier? Zachariah being struck dumb was purely a lesson to him that there are repercussions to lack of faith...just as He's disciplined all His children for lack of faith (though thankfully nobody's being struck dumb anymore to my knowledge). It had nothing to do with 'tying God's hands' as Osteen alleged.
I'm saying that we know from numerous examples in the Bible that unbelief can hinder the work of God. It did with Israel in the OT, and it did in Jesus' ministry. Sometimes the work is delayed as was the case with Israel possessing the Promised Land, sometimes the work never takes place as was the case with Jesus' ministry in Nazareth, and sometimes God intervenes to see that the plan goes forward as was the case with Zacharias. That's my take on what Joel Osteen was saying.
Creflo's "little g" agenda is specifically stating that we have God's ability and divinity. Kenneth Copeland claimed that God's dominion on earth was transferred to satan when Adam sinned.
We have God's ability because God the Holy Spirit lives in us and works through us, but that doesn't mean that we have His ex nihilo creative ability. Even the Apostle Paul said that God's ability was working in him. There's nothing wrong with that statement. As for Creflo Dollar saying that we have divinity, I'd like to know when he said that. The reason he stipulated "little G" was to make a distinction between us and God.
Im still waiting to hear a rebuttle on Justin Peters WoF.. I have heard nothing but nonsense. And yes WoF is another Gospel preaching another Jesus. And it is used to get rich.. We are not gods. Jesus did not die spuritually. And if that is what you believe your in error.
You didn't hear a rebuttle [sic] but you did hear a rebuttal, which is a counter argument. Kenneth Hagin never said that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God. JP said it was a direct quote but provided no source for that quote because there is none, because he never said it. He accused Creflo Dollar of teaching Arianism which isn't true because Creflo Dollar never said that Jesus isn't the eternal Son of God, so he misrepresented him on that, too. Then he claims that WoF people are as far from God as Muslims, despite the fact that WoF people hold to all of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith - deity of Christ, virgin birth, Trinity, original sin, justification by faith ... etc. Making general derogatory statements adds nothing to the discussion. If you refuse to hear that JP is misrepresenting people that's on you, but don't claim that what I have provided in my counter arguments is "nonsense" if you can't prove it wrong.
Jew and Greek wiether Haggin said that or not WoF is a false doctrine. Justin Peters is Spot on for showing people the truth. I grew up in WoF.. And its not biblical and certainly does not focus on sharing the gospel.. Faith is something we should most certainly have. But our Faith can not control Gods will. And that is just fact. To tell anyone that there faith seed will sow them riches or to preach we are little gods or to teach that Jesus had to suffer in hell is heresy. And you should be ashamed of yourself for in anyway promoting this false doctrine. Why dont you interview Benny Hinns nephew who was part of his staff and can attest to this falsity.. WoF is all about getting rich off of others. Taking scripture out of context is either lack of dicernment or a blatent attempt to mislead. And lets face it. This is not just a lack of dicernment on the part of these preachers. Purhaps the ignorant church goers who apparently dont read there bibles are the undicerning. The little things you presented hardly matter when the truth is people are being led astray by these false teachers.
First of all, the term "word of faith" comes from the gospel. It's what the Apostle Paul called the gospel that he preached in Romans 10:8. You can't do a biblical presentation of the gospel without faith and confession. (Rom. 10:9,10) No, faith doesn't control God's will. Faith is based on God's will revealed through His Word. (Rom. 10:17) If He reveals His will in His Word regarding salvation, healing, deliverance, victory ... etc. how are we "controlling God" by believing, speaking, and acting on it?
What you said about seed faith is a distortion of what Kenneth Hagin taught regarding financial prosperity, and he addressed a lot of these things in his book "The Midas Touch: A Balanced Approach to Biblical Prosperity". As for Jesus suffering in hell, that belief goes all the way back to the Apostle's Creed and John Calvin. While it's a controversial view that I don't believe, it's not a new teaching and it doesn't violate any essential Christian doctrine so I don't see how it qualifies as heresy.
Costi Hinn has gone from one extreme to the other. As I've pointed out numerous times on my blog and in my videos, Benny Hinn isn't WoF. He tried to teach it back in the 1980s and publicly abandoned it in 1993. Costi and others are mistaken when they link Benny to WoF. Costi now embraces Reformed theology, and believes that God predestines some to eternal bliss in heaven and others to eternal torment in hell in His sovereignty. He also believes that all of the supernatural gifts ceased in the first century.
The truth matters, Aimee. Whether you're talking about the deity of Christ or how much you weigh or what I believe about various doctrinal issues. If you consistently misrepresent what other people believe and teach as JP does you won't have any credibility. It's as simple as that. I'm always happy to have an honest discussion about theology and the WoF, but I won't tolerate dishonesty and blatant disregard for the facts from anybody who presents himself as a defender of the faith.
Sorry, Justin has very Good bíblical arguments. You don't
Now that was some excellent theological analysis.
This is so great cause I've been in so many "churches" and buildings of "God" from everything from church of God all the way to latter day Saints ( experimental time in my life of faith) and assembly of God was my favorite but had some colutions. So I declared my self. The non-denominational and focus on the word and truth of the teachings of the risen lamb of the one true God and did my research and studied the right teachings through the word. Then I got baptised accepted the savior and then eventually spoken in tongues later on then I realized its the Faith in action of the word that leads to the these things from acts after Jesus had broken the seal in the temple
I'm going to start praying that GOD will heal J.P. of his physical afflictions. I invite you all to join with me in prayer for his healing perhaps, just perhaps if he experiences a genuine healing from God, he might change his perspective. Love your work Bro. Rod.
If he were to be miraculously healed he would probably just chalk it up to the sovereignty of God. He needs a transformation in his understanding of faith and healing.
Justin Peters is speaking the truth. Please read your bible. The gospel can not be changed.
He's not speaking the truth about Kenneth Hagin, because Kenneth Hagin never said that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God. He's not speaking the truth about Creflo Dollar teaching Arianism either. Nor is he speaking the truth when he says that WoF people are as far from God as Muslims. That's why I did this video.
Jew and Greek sir, please try practicing a little discernment. These people you are standing up for are preaching a different gospel.
Taylor Made ... try making a real argument.
Jew and Greek do some in depth research where the wof doctrine came from. It’s witchcraft with a little bit of truth so people are deceived. Ask The Jesus of the Bible to show you the truth.
I've done tons of research on the origins of the WoF, Becky. You'll see the results of that research in several of my videos. In this series I refuted Dan McConnell's book that claimed it came from New Thought. ua-cam.com/video/yeCGXqRSbUk/v-deo.html
In the videos on the origins of the WoF I retrace Kenneth Hagin's theological history and E. W. Kenyon's theological history to establish that neither took their theology from non-Christian sources.
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There's no witchcraft. Just people who are willing to believe God's Word.
Thanks for making things clear!
Let us study the Word of God to show thyself approved; 2 Timothy 2:15.
when some people stand for the truth,,,some will stand to defend lies...
nowadays people are more relying on thier beliefs than what they knows.
know the truth,,, and the truth will set you free...you should know what you belive in.
I have been studying false teachers prophets etc for years and Justin is not the only one that feels this way sir- but I keep an open mind and I appreciate your food for thought. :) Have a blessed day!
Well I'm glad you're keeping an open mind. That's how you learn.
What is your response to the Spiritual Death of Jesus which is JP’s main problem with WoF because it changes Jesus’ and God’s nature
First of all I don't think his biggest problem with the WoF is the spiritual death of Jesus. I think it's the belief that it's God's will to heal, and we receive healing by faith. That puts a certain amount of responsibility on us, and he wants to lay it all off on the sovereignty of God.
I have stated several times that I don't agree with the spiritual death of Jesus the way most in the WoF teach it. My view is very mainstream, but I don't consider this an essential doctrinal issue. We're only talking about the process of the Atonement, not the efficacy of it. Having said that, John Calvin said that bodily punishment alone wouldn't have been sufficient. Billy Graham said that Jesus experienced spiritual death. So you really can't condemn the WoF view without condemning them as well.
@@JewandGreek lol way to doge the question.
@@davidgoodrich1258 How is it dodging the question to say that I disagree with it but I don't consider it heresy?
Yeshua's | Jesus' focus was on building the faith of the Disciples to trust in Him that He is the Bread of Life and Living Word that came down from Heaven to dwell amongst them. He is our source in all things. The Lord does not want us to put our hopes in possessions, but in His Word and Him alone; Matthew 6:33, Seek first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all things will be added unto us.
In last day we will who has the clouds with out water John Mac complains that people are leaving his church
I came across your channel reading a blog post I recently discovered that you commented maybe years ago? JP is very condescending and lacks grace and compassion. I love the the reformed doctrine. The doctrine of grace and election is so humbling , however some of its "messengers" are so snarky, think they know it all and just like to win arguments. I really have been so saddened by their behavior which is really contrary to the doctrine.. Now JP has inadvertently created an even worse version of himself in Joshua Chavez. He is being judged the same way he judged others. You did well in this video and handled the commenters well!
"Moneyeeeee, cometh to me now!" -kenneth Copeland
Brook Lindsay lol!
Brook Lindsay 😂
What does that have to do with anything discussed in this video?
Brook Lindsay listen to the video! See how many lies JP says. See how many scriptures he quotes out of context! So if JP is lying he is a liar and false teacher. But you don’t care because you love to mock others more then looking at the facts.
Justin Peters twists every ‘quote’ to make the person look bad. Even if he has to lie about what they meant.
Keith, Yes, God hates that behavior.
Um. This is not a ‘rebuttal’. Or, - maybe we’re being asked to worship BudAndJan. They do have very expensive hairdos.
I took several clips from JP's video and offered a contrary response. That is in fact a rebuttal. Nothing was said about worshiping Bud and Jan. I was simply pointing out that JP doesn't know who built Rhema Brazil. And the hairdo comment was a red herring/ad hominem. Totally irrelevant.
Boy you are really in need of discernment
Could you elaborate?
Tony LeJune haha..you're right..this man is is lack of spiritual gift to descern the truth between GODLY and evil.
@@annpono9232 Another hit and run vague condemnation.
Rod, thanks for sharing. Love your counsel, and His counsel. For His Word is indeed Life unto me for I have found it and Health to all my flesh. 😁
Justin Peters reads from the Bible and is a true born again Christian...terrible how you are trying to pick him apart...shame on you
I'm just setting the record straight. JP might be born again, but he is misrepresenting the facts and needs to be corrected.
I don't see any "rebuttals" here.
rebuttal - a statement that a claim or criticism is not true:
1. JP says that Kenneth Hagin has a huge presence in Brazil. In fact, Rhema Brazil is not Kenneth Hagin's organization but Bud & Jan Wright's organization.
2. JP mocks Joel Osteen's comments on Zacharias being struck mute, but Matthew Henry and Calvin said essentially the same thing. (JP is a Calvinist, oddly enough)
3. JP quoted Kenneth Hagin as saying that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God. Kenneth Hagin didn't say that. If JP can provide evidence that he did, I'll accept that and withdraw this video.
4. JP says that there's no "prosperity gospel", assuming that WoF people added the adjective "prosperity" to "gospel", which isn't the case. That was added by WoF critics.
5. JP says that we're promised persecution, suggesting that WoF people have replaced "persecution" with "prosperity", which isn't the case. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
6. JP accuses Creflo Dollar of denying the deity of Christ, which isn't true. He was discussing Jesus' humanity, and His dependence on the Holy Spirit as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit.
7. JP says that Creflo Dollar is teaching Arianism, but Arianism denies the eternal sonship of Jesus, which Creflo Dollar doesn't do.
8. JP says that WoF people are as lost as Muslims, despite the fact that WoF teaching holds to all of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. The problem isn't that WoF teaching is heresy. The problem is that people like JP don't know what they're talking about, and are constantly misrepresenting WoF teaching and teachers.
The plural of "wolf" is "wolves", and I'm not defending wolves. I'm responding to JP's nonsense.
You argue that Matthew Henry & John Calvin say the same thing that Joel Osteen does.
Matthew Henry you quote: For, first, Thus He prevented His speaking anymore such distrustful unbelieving words." Part of your quote, feel free to fill in the rest.
John Calvin you quote: "being dumb, he might await the fulfillment of hte promise, which, in stead of interrupting it by noisy murmurs, he ought to have heard in silence..." Part of your quote. Feel free to fill in the rest.
But Joel Osteen says "Its because God knew that Zachariah's negative words would cancel out His plan." Osteen goes on to say that there is power in our words.
You think Osteen is saying the same thing as Henry & Calvin? Not even close, in fact the opposite! Calvinism is recognizing the supremacy of God's will and plan. WoF declares that there is power in our words, even over the will of God. Osteen: "He knows that WE prophesy OUR future. And He knew Zechariah's own negative words would STOP HIS PLAN."
Dan - and how would you know he is not also winning souls for the Kingdom? Beware of cooperating with an "accusing spirit."
Jew and Greek You argue that Matthew Henry & John Calvin say the same thing that Joel Osteen does.
Matthew Henry you quote: For, first, Thus He prevented His speaking anymore such distrustful unbelieving words." Part of your quote, feel free to fill in the rest.
John Calvin you quote: "being dumb, he might await the fulfillment of hte promise, which, in stead of interrupting it by noisy murmurs, he ought to have heard in silence..." Part of your quote. Feel free to fill in the rest.
But Joel Osteen says "Its because God knew that Zachariah's negative words would cancel out His plan." Osteen goes on to say that there is power in our words.
You think Osteen is saying the same thing as Henry & Calvin? Not even close, in fact the opposite! Calvinism is recognizing the supremacy of God's will and plan. WoF declares that there is power in our words, even over the will of God. Osteen: "He knows that WE prophesy OUR future. And He knew Zechariah's own negative words would STOP HIS PLAN."
Lol God will show up and get healed have you read the Bible what happens when God shows up? Ummm no I guess if God comes people will instantly repent and tremble on the floor
Rod, your videos have really blessed my socks off. Keep em coming brother!
I'm glad to hear that, Cameron. I have a few more coming. Spread the word, subscribe, and give me a thumbs up if you would. People need to hear the other side of the story.
I second that rod. I've been blessed by hagin and Copeland so it's cool seeing someone defend these men of God. Especially with so many reformed heresy hunters calling out so many great men and women of God.
Thank you.
These comments from others don’t sound like the words of Christians at all, very sad to see. Thanks very much for creating this video.
Joel Osteen: "Why did God take away his speech? It’s because God knew that Zachariah’s negative words would cancel out His plan... See, God knows the power of our words. He knows that we prophesy our future. And He knew Zachariah’s own negative words would stop His plan”
What an absolutely shocking statement - that a mere creature can cancel out or stop the omnipotent and sovereign Creator's plan with it's negative words.
It is clear from the quotes that you give that Matthew Henry and Calvin did not say anything close to what Joel Osteen said here.
The point was that God shut his mouth to keep him from speaking words of unbelief, as opposed to making him lame, or blind, or sick. The implication is that speaking words of unbelief would hinder the plan of God. You'll see the same thing essentially with the Tower of Babel, when God had to confuse the languages in order to prevent them from building the tower. In a similar way, God rebuked Sarah when she laughed at the thought of having a baby at her elderly age. God's omniscience and omnipotence doesn't mean that He doesn't give us free will that carries with it the possibility of resisting or impeding His plans. It's an extremist view of God's sovereignty that sees Him controlling our choices and actions in order to accomplish His purposes. He can walk and chew gum at the same time, meaning He can accomplish His purposes despite our dumb choices and spiritual blindness. If we become defiant, He can just confuse the languages. If some of us become unbelieving, He can just wait until they die off and the believers are left to enter the Promised Land. If we run from God, He can arrange a fish to swallow us like He did with Jonah. If we question how God can give us a son in our old age, He can strike us dumb as He did with Zechariah. God wasn't going into a panic as JP mockingly suggested. He always has a contingency plan.
Justin peters preachers the truth.
He doesn't really preach at all. He just attacks people, and often uses untruths in the process. Thus my videos on the guy.
june alexander it’s proven he is a liar ! It’s proven he misquotes people and makes up lies about people! He is slandering people with gossip and lies. But you love it. You love lies more then the truth.
Justin Peters spends a lot of time preaching about those whom he considers heretics, when he should spend much more time in study of teaching, then preaching the Gospel of Christ Jesus.
Justin is a John Calvinist of whose name I can find no gospel of in any translation of the Bible I have ever read.
Is there one out there I am unaware of!?
It's really a shame that people don't understand faith! I was delivered from demons in 1990 and it was done by a Holy Ghost filled woman, totally sold out to God, someone who people would think was a little weird, in that she freely glorified God everywhere she went, lifting her hands and praising him, speaking in tongues, and telling people about Jesus everywhere she went! I met her one day after going back to church, which was an Assembly of God church in my area. I was praying for deliverance, and God met me right there on the road near my home! The devil does everything in his power to diminish and totally eradicate Holy Ghost power, because that's what he's afraid of! Miracles, signs and wonders was an everyday thing for the early church, so tell me when did Jesus change his agenda? I can't believe people are so blind to this, it's so simple! No one can get saved without a measure of God's Spirit doing the convicting and revealing the truth to their heart. After this however, people just get off track, changing things in the Gospel that ought not be changed, like the gifts, miracles, speaking in tongues, gets. Why? You are 100% correct in everything you say, and I am convinced that Justin Peters has a lot of hatred for this because he may just have a religious type spirit, or else he should definitely research just what he's saying! Thanks for this video!
Thanks for sharing, Susan. God bless.
Thanks.
Really enjoying your videos. Thanks.
I'm glad you're enjoying them Christin. Blessings!
I am part of a Pentecostal Church , I do not agree with everything they teach however in my 20 years in the charismatic movement, to my knowledge they have violated any essential doctrine
I am so sorry for all the negative, hostile and even angry replies you have received in this (and other) videos. For me it boils down to 2 things. #1 Love - As Christians we are to love one another. Jesus spoke clearly about love. When we treat one another from a place of Christian love, we and those we deal with are more at peace. #2 I believe we must each read and study the Bible ourselves and not leave it up to and solely rely on someone else to interpret and tell us what it means. We must read and study it for ourselves and pray for God to reveal it's truth to us. Yes, I watch videos from JP, you and many others and I make the best decisions I can with information gained from each. As Christian's I wish we could disagree from a place of love and without hostility and hatefulness. For the most part we all worship and love the same God. We all strive to lead a life pleasing to Him and pray we spend our eternal life in Heaven with Him. May God bless you and keep you. 🧡
Thanks. I try to be loving but firm.
@@JewandGreek From what I've seen, you do a fine job. You seem quite open to discussion, but discussion based on clearly stated facts, bible verses, etc., and not just simple argumentative statements such as "your wrong bc I said so and that's my opinion". Keep doing what you do knowing you touch lives in a positive way.
Still named thematic
I don't like this. Somethings not right about this. I can feel it. No need for details because it is what it is and all will not see but those that have been given the gift to see another WISC has risen among them. We are blessed
Would you care to elaborate?
Matthew 24:4
John Carter JP is a deceiver. He lies to self promote!
Justin Peters was not called by God to judge every preacher or denomination as much as he thinks he is. Every one has a different calling and Justin can't except their calling because it doesn't line up with his. Judge not, lest you be judged! He will be stopped!
Oh boy.... Ppl just LOVE to jump to that scripture.... Maybe you should listen to Justin explain WHAT THAT SCRIPTURE REALLY MEANS... then you will understand why we are called to judge.... It's actually demanded by God that we do just that... Lest we be deceived.....
Oh what a humble man, this Calvinist poster boy.
He should tell us about his poverty, and persecution.
It seems to me just as the any other hypocrisy Peters does the persecution.
What are you getting by supporting these men who fleece their flock for private jets. I really want to know. I am trying to understand how people can support this.
I don't support people. I support facts. JP is spreading a lot of misinformation. Let's just concede for the sake of argument that every WoF televangelist is a total charlatan. That still doesn't justify spreading lies about them. Having said that, Joel Osteen doesn't have a private jet as far as I know, and he hasn't taken a salary since 2005. Kenneth Hagin Ministries does have a plane, but he traveled by auto for 25 years prior to purchasing a plane out of necessity in the mid-70s. He never said that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God. Creflo Dollar does have a plane or two, but I've never sent him a dime. Regardless, he doesn't teach Arianism as JP claims.
Amen brother - very clearly and sufficiently pointing out the error of those who oppose the word of faith
Excellent video Brother. Thank you very much for trying to set the record straight with all kindness and respect. Those who appose themselves as well as others with false information like JP need to give a listen. Jesus is a live today! And today is the day of salvation., we experience our salvation each day because there is always more to find out about who Jesus is., what He has already done for us and in us. We won't need healing in heaven... or guidance and help with our day to day survival as we do in the here and now in these flesh bodies. And of course Jesus has already provided for all we need and even more as He is most kind and generous always giving more than we could ask or imagine.
I absolutely love your videos! So well done. We need to confront the lies of these cessationist liars !
Thanks, Rick. Share the videos and spread the word. We're making an impact.
So many people are deceived by JP and others like him. Thank god for you and your calm and respectful way that you present your case of JP and his false teaching and slander! These people from the reformed movement are so slanderous it’s ridiculous to think they are even Christians. But they love the gossip more then the truth.
we must indeed and stand up for what we believe in because all that Jesus has done is really we cannot let the gospel be hijacked
You are picking apart some of the minor details without actually refuting Justin Peters' lager points. You are talking about bumper stickers and the different labels for WoF, etc. Justin Peters may be wrong in some of the things he said. Maybe there should be some retractions due to incidental misquotes or exaggerations on his part. He is not perfect. But you certainly don't offer any way to defend Word of Faith doctrine or actually counter his criticism of it in any meaningful way. He missed, or messed up, some details. Other things you have taken in an overly literal way so as to make it appear unreasonable - just like JP does sometimes. You are splitting hairs while sidestepping the main critiques.
These aren't minor details. When you accuse people of teaching Arianism (thus calling them heretics) when in fact they believe in the eternal deity of Jesus, that's a serious charge. When you misquote (or simply fabricate) somebody as saying "Adam could stand 'toe to toe' with God", that's not a minor detail. Justin Peters simply doesn't know what he's talking about, and he presents himself as an expert on the WoF movement. I've been in the movement for 40 years. I've met Kenneth Hagin. I graduated from his school and even taught there for two semesters. I am the expert that JP claims to be. I've done a couple dozen videos responding to his nonsense. The man is either an incompetent researcher or a pathological liar.
Word of faith is man centered theology. I watched Kenneth Hagin stumble around laughing like a fool, pretending to be drunk, waving his coat at people. He was putting on a show for entertainment purposes. It was amazingly heretical!! I hear your point of view and you are reasoned. Fair enough. However, I am leery of people who won’t call a spade a shovel.
I think you're confusing Kenneth Hagin with Benny Hinn. I don't ever remember Kenneth Hagin waving his coat around. As for heretical behavior, heresy is defined as a violation of an essential doctrine, so actions don't qualify as heresy.
@@JewandGreek you’re wrong about all of that.
The health and wealth 'gospel', Kundalini manifestations blasphemously passed off as operations of the Holy Spirit, Lordship notions of salvation, crass pragmatic seeker sensitivity and unBiblical ecumenism uniting gospels rather than unity in THE Gospel are all a blight on contemporary pentecostalism. These things need to be called out and there are Word based pentecostal brothers and sisters of the old paths who do just that and other than his cessationism, wouldn't take much issue with what Justin Peters is saying. I know because I fellowship with them here in the U.K and are embarrassed by the clowns and charlatans, giving them a very wide berth.
Please dont even try it ...this is terrible rebuttal..
If you have any specific criticism I'd welcome it. Just making a general comment like that doesn't say much.
How ironic you teaching something biblical with the star of Remphan as your symbol! You do know it's a hexagram and is one of the most used symbols in magic and the occult. The word warns against this! I don't associate myself with demonic symbols.
Jew and Greek, dude! Star of David and laurel wreath. It's just a logo to symbolize the two cultures, nothing more.
Jew and Greek I'm guessing this dude thinks the state of israel is just one huge witch den bc of the flag?
I'm looking at this guy's views, this one has a little over 1,000 & his others have in the high hundreds. I'm looking at a Justin Peters' video, it has almost 400,000 views. I'm guessing we, the people, can pass judgment indiscriminately, also
Truth isn't a popularity contest. Besides, my videos are a few months old. Justin's are years old. The one I did on Joyce Meyer two years ago has over 40,000 views. In time I'll have millions of views and people will wake up to the facts I'm pointing out.
I dislike 👎 this video... this guy is trying to "break down" what these prosperity preachers are saying... Once they say something, ITS EXACTLY WHAT THEM MEAN! False Teachers is what they are!!! (Justin Peters for The WIN)
But I 👍 his videos very much 🙏 Jew and Greek for your videos, God Bless You and keep them coming
Your going back to experience to prove your point. We start with scripture not with experience... Could you back your theology with scripture?
You start with Scripture when discussing doctrines, but not when discussing things of a factual nature. When Justin accuses Creflo Dollar of teaching Arianism I can't disprove that with Scripture because there's nowhere in Scripture that it says "Creflo Dollar rejects Arianism and affirms the conventional understanding of the Trinity and Jesus' eternal Sonship". Likewise with Kenneth Hagin' saying that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God. JP is misrepresenting people on what they believe and teach, and my experience is relevant because it helps me to know what he's doing. I do plenty of doctrinal analysis in other videos, but the nature of this video is to show JP's lack of credibility.
@@JewandGreek Even if we agree he has taken Kenneth Hagin out of context does it mean the Word of Faith movement is Biblical? ( What Justin is against is the Word of Faith Theology and the Prosperity gospel at its core) he does have his blind spots though. How can a person who is interested in sound theology (historic Protestant faith) even endorse of likes of Kenneth Hagin?
@@supersmart671 Because I'm familiar with what he taught. I don't go by what his critics claim he taught.
@@JewandGreek What did he teach?
@@supersmart671 Keep watching my videos, or better yet read his books.
It is is funny how you keep calling it the word of faith movement and criticize him for it
I don't know what you're talking about. When did I criticize JP for calling it the WoF?
a Big thanks to Justin Peters pointing out these false teachers with their false doctens. He speaks the truth from the Word of God. And refers to the Bible avery time. Where did this guy back up once what he said from the Bible?
Explain to me how I'm supposed to back up from the Bible the fact that Kenneth Hagin didn't create Rhema Brazil, or that Kenneth Hagin didn't say that Adam could stand "toe to toe" with God, or that Creflo Dollar doesn't teach Arianism. These are factual claims that I'm rebutting. I do plenty of theological rebuttal in other videos, but here I'm simply showing how Justin Peters doesn't know what he's talking about.
@Jew and Greek. You are an answer to prayers. God bless you
I rarely add comments to videos, but I have listen to this man several times, I like how he talks about these other preachers and how they are guilty of robbing people, those people that are really actually hurting and sick people, these preachers play on a persons hopes of a Miracle, then we know what’s its all about its called “filthy lucre” (Money), they get rich, and many times, the sick and hurting people have less money in their pocket with very few results. These men will be judged by the Almighty God.
But now I want to talk about this man’s ministry Mr. Peters he teaches a doctrine called Cessationism, Mr. Peters is not the originator of this doctrine but he believes it, so he teaches it, He calls those that he condemns clouds without water, but what this man teaches is far worse: Sola scriptura was one of the main theological beliefs that Martin Luther proclaimed against the Catholic Church during the Protestant Reformation. They claim they use only the Word Of God to teach their doctrine which is not true at all.
This doctrine teaches that the gifts of the Spirit “which are benefits of the Born Again experience “ They teach this doesn’t happen any more, this experience ceased when the Apostles died. This doctrine of Cessationism is a doctrine conjured up from satan himself. The Miracle working power didn’t begin with the Apostles, it began with Jesus Christ, the Bible says in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the Same yesterday, today and Forever. These Gifts were put into the Church by the Holy Spirit, for the edifying of the Church, and I Haven’t read in my Bible where the Holy Spirit has been taken away. This Born Again experience is not an option, it’s essential to our Salvation, one person told me; when I made a comment about this mans teaching Mr. Peters, we don’t need to debate things that are not essential to Salvation, what I am talking about is essential to Salvation, and what they are talking about is diminishing this experience, the doctrine they are teaching says it don’t happen anymore, this is a lie. Jesus said in John 3, except a man be born again he can’t even see the Kingdom of God, verse 5 Jesus said again except a man is born again he cant enter into the Kingdom of God, you see this Born Again experience is not an option, it’s essential. If you want to know about this Born Again experience; look where it all begin in Acts 2:1-4, Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19. These people that are teaching this Cessationism doctrine is absolutely false doctrine “clouds without water is what they call others, this doctrine of Cessationism is false doctrine that can keep other people from knowing the real truth. I have read the comments here, i hear people talk about how great it is to hear a man speaking the truth, my goodness know your bible, don’t let people like Mr. Peters dictate to you what is in the Scripture, there is no place in the Bible where they can prove Gifts of the Spirit has been taken away, actually I know by experience these experiences have NOT been taken away. They talk about the gifts of teaching and administration, these are not gifts these are governments that God has put into the church for the perfecting of the Saints, Ephesians 4:11-12 (KJV)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Please notice what verse 11 says, now Mr. Peters is quick to say, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; is ok, but when it comes to Apostles and Prophets Mr. Peters says they don’t exist anymore. Was Paul speaking just for His time ? The Word of God was written by Paul, or inspired by Paul ? No, 2 Peter 1:21 (KJV)
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. This scripture is not just a reference to the Old Testament Prophets. 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
In Galatians 1:6-9 Paul said if anyone or even an angel from Heaven comes preaching any other Gospel than what we have preached unto you let him be accursed. We can look in Acts, and in all the Epistles,and know what Paul wrote to the Church and what he preached. When he taught the Corinthians in Chapter 12 he wasn’t teaching them just for the time he was alive, these gifts were going to be part of the Church until Jesus comes to take His church away. What foolish teaching, the reason why this teaching is so popular is because, he is teaching to an audience of people that are part of the Laodicean church age in Revelation 3, the Lord chided His church because they were lukewarm (lazy may I say) they didn’ want to put forth the effort to really seeking God, they said we are rich, we have all of our ducks in a row, everything is great, but the Lord said, your naked, and your blind, then The Lord gave them the remedy for their situation, he said buy me Gold tried in the fire: what the Lord was telling His church, you have lost your fire, You need another trip to the Altar and be renewed with the Holy Ghost and fIre. Don’t let people like these teachers convince you the Days of Miracles have pasted, “God hasn’t took His church away yet”, the Church age is still in effect. These teachers are enemies of your Souls. While they are quick to condemn and judge others, and tell them the mote they have in their eyes, when they have got the whole tree in their eyes. This doctrine of Cessationism is of satan.
I'm sure you won't understand this but Justin preaches THE GOSPEL... I too use to defend the false teachings of the charismatic ways. I too was "baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues".... At least I THOUGHT that was what happened. No... It was not. And I'm not quite sure why you kept pushing the born again issue like Justin doesn't teach that. YES HE EMPHATICALLY TEACHES EXACTLY THAT.... what you seem to be reading into that is that you must be a card carrying pentecostal in order to be born again. NO THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH THAT. And every believer who has been given the grace of repentance is indwelled with the Holy Spirit. And if you truly adjust the Lord to show you THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD... HE WILL SHOW YOU HOW DECEIVING THE ENEMY HAS BEEN IN YOUR LIFE
@@valerie223 your perception of Justin Peters, as being a Gospel preacher, is half true, he does speak half truths, so does satan, many preachers are used of satan, it's ok with satan for preachers to preach half truth, that's how satan deceives those that don't know the Word of God. From listening to you Valerie, just by your own words, you said I too was baptized in the Holy Spirit speaking with other tongues ..... At least I THOUGHT these are your words, BUT now I perceive, your listening to Mr.Peters has even caused you to doubt your experience, you alone have proved my point about this Cessation Doctrine. When the Disciples came to Jesus on the Mount of Olives, they asked the Lord in Matthew 24:3 what will be the sign of your return Lord, the very first thing the Lord said to them, BE NOT DECEIVED. I know Mr. Peters Message, I had no idea what it was when I first heard him, because he was saying many things I agreed with, but I began to listen at his Doctrine, which was completely false from what the Apostles preached in the book of Acts and the Letters to the Churches. So I advise you Valerie to return to the Book of Acts, to reaffirm what is true, for Jesus said, except you are Born Again, you can't even see the Kingdom of God. people say it's just say I believe, Jesus said in John 7:37-39, If you believe on me as the Scripture hath said out of your belly shall flow rivers of Living water, Thus spake He of the Holy Ghost. In Acts chapter 2:1-4 we see this Outpouring of what the Lord had Promised, and how it affects us. Then in Acts 2:38 Peter told them what they needed to do to be saved. Don't be deceived Valerie, Eternity is a Long Time.
Justin Peters he may have some sound doctrine, but he is missing Spirit the Holy Spirit. Man your awesome of Brother! Yes there are extremes! Just stick to the Word and be led by the Holy Spirit, Amen He is not the Judge our Jesus is!
Lol you got more dislikes then likes man
Yeah, a lot of people can't handle the truth, especially JP fans. But then truth isn't a popularity contest.
@@JewandGreek Yeah and the truth is not with you
@@DSmiR420 So what did I say in this video that isn't true?
It's as if you don't want to listen sound teaching.The thing is I've watched alot of your work and you are a very intelligent man so I know you know the truth it's sad coz U could do so much for the advancement of the body if you wanted to.But yes the fight is not against flesh it's a spiritual war and I pray for us all .Im out .
@@DSmiR420 Thanks for the compliment. I'm doing something to advance the body. I'm bringing clarification and correction. The sooner we get rid of the misconceptions and misinformation the sooner we can have a dialogue and work toward a mutual understanding of faith, healing, and the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
17:58 shouldn't you know from the word of God instead of the word of men?
Could you elaborate?
This is in NO way a rebuttal.
re·but - to contradict or oppose by formal legal argument, plea, or countervailing proof
@@JewandGreek you need proof you had none.
Has these discerners blasphemed the work of the Holy Spirit?? I fear
This man is only creating non sense issue..no one wants to know about this.you dont have any purpose.you just want to confuse and wreck people's mind.
I just want to set the record straight. JP is misrepresenting what people have said and taught.
I have watched Jew and Greek videos, they don't confused not wrecked my mind but they prove that Justin videos about Word of Faith and Charismatics are all lies, they are just pure hatred for these groups branding them heretic when they aren't
Wow. People commenting on this video who are defending Justin peters must be watching this video with their ears closed. Are they even listening to the misrepresentations made by JP? too much emotion here by calvinists rushing to defend one of their own. Great job on these videos and keep holding these teachers accountable for their lies
Thanks, Jonathan. Sometimes people are what the Bible calls "willingly ignorant", because they don't want to know the truth. (II Pet. 3:5)
I am so happy to have listened to your Video, you actually made Justine Peters more efficient and on the point with God’s word. You are out of order may God strike you and your money making so called faith movement pastors. You want a word of God that feels good not as it is.
If you have a valid point to make I'm all ears.
You used Google didn't you? That's not advanced, :).
I did, with selected phrases in quotation marks to eliminate unwanted results. I also used archive.org, reverse lookups, whois.com, anywho.com, and a few other resources
Sickening
how is this even a rebuttal if justin didn't even go at you.but besides that you go to the extreme of completely going the opposite instead of biblically disproving it without adding to your thoughts and smart remarks.. also this isnt a "negative remark' its an honest concern. plus Plus PLUS you didnt even use scripture
Really poor effort at a rebuttal of anything JP said and I’m not even a JP fanboy. I think he does sometimes overstep the mark, although I wouldn’t say he does so in a heretical manner. A rebuttal is an argument that proves the preceding statement or argument wrong. Plainly put you’ve not come close. You accuse JP of straw men arguments yet you do the same especially with the Osteen section. In fact it weakens your argument having that section in it.
JP claimed that Kenneth Hagin said that Adam could go "toe to toe" with God, but he offered no evidence to back up that claim. I've read everything Kenneth Hagin wrote and attended his school for two years. I say that he never made any such statement. I can't prove a negative, but I don't need to. The burden of proof is on the one making the assertion and JP didn't do that. Prove me wrong if you can. JP then says that Creflo Dollar teaches Arminianism, which isn't true because Arminianism says that Jesus isn't the eternal Son of God. Creflo Dollar doesn't teach that. JP is misrepresenting Dollar's teaching on the doctrine of kenosis to make it appear that he teaches something that he doesn't believe. Either that or he simply doesn't know what Arminianism is. He then says that WoF people are as lost as JWs, Mormons, and Muslims despite the fact that we hold to all of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. I know this because I was raised Southern Baptist and spent six years in an Assembly of God church. I am well versed in the essentials and WoF theology upholds all of them.
I've done eight videos on Justin Peters and they clearly show his propensity for misrepresentation and sloppy research. To put it plainly, he's a hack. He has a vendetta against faith healers in general and WoF teachers in particular because of his bad experiences going back thirty years. While we might sympathize with his plight, he is only damaging his own credibility by consistently spreading misinformation.
A Synonym For
WoF Apologetics is
The Devil's Advocate
No Thanks, don't need gossip
I’m surprised people actually belive these so called “DISCERNMENT”videos, which are biased ,anti charismatic,Cessationists and slanderous
LOL this is your rebuttal? How sad.
Thank you for proving my point in the pinned comment
And the false teachers have false teachers to defend them 😂 that is you sir, get some discernment.
Let us know when you have a substantive point to make. As I stated in the pinned comment at the top, "you need discernment" is not an argument.
Can’t watch this 🤮