Justin Peters and Joel Webbon on Kenosis: My Response
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2023
- Joel Webbon and Justin Peters discussed Bethel and their teaching on kenosis, the self-emptying of Jesus. In this video I cover the doctrine of kenosis and correct the misconceptions that they promoted in their discussion.
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It’s shocking how little integrity these men have and yet boast of their own orthodoxy! True modern day Pharisees.
Ah yes, the Bible twisters silver bullet
"Pharisee"
"religious spirit"
🙄🙄🙄 Like do you have any actual scripture or just ad hominems ?
Did you watch this video?@@tomtemple69
Ehhhh once I actually watched what they had to say and showed me proof of all the fraud and insanity and poor biblical teaching going on I kinda agree with them.
I’m a continuationist, I strongly disagree with Calvinism and I think there’s a spirit of arrogance amongst alot of reformed types.
That being said they’re exposing how corrupt and unbiblical charismatics as a whole are and how badly charismatics need serious reform.
I couldn't have said it better, which you can tell the Lord isn't with them, they see no fruit and their sect of Christianity is getting smaller every year that's usually what happens when you don't teach or produce what you believe well said Friend
This is the best explanation of how Jesus was fully God and fully man.
Solid breakdown as always sir!
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
James 1:13 NKJV
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:14-15 NKJV
Jesus demonstrated what he had set aside when he took off his cloak and washed the disciple's feet. Great teaching
Jesus Christ was obviously tempted as a man
He was also born...
Most people don't let that one sink in.
People are surprised that the warnings in 1st John about the identity of Jesus are NOT what they expect.
They are so concerned with the letter they completely miss the spirit. They are so concerned with Jesus being "too" human that they sacrifice the invitation to relationship. They will never let you graduate from being slaves to Christ into friends of the bridegroom and god forbid we become sons and the heresy of heresies to become his Bride!! I guess if they want to remains as slaves adn remain on the cross forever receiving in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Or more specifically they spend all of their time nailing other brothers and sisters to the cross of perpetual repentance until we come into the full knowledge of Justin Peters
So good, Rod. 💯 This video was on fire! 😎👍
The ability of some of these guys to twist and misrepresent others words is truly next level. It's alarming. ⚠️🤦♂️
Thanks for your amazing ministry and laying all the facts out. Blessings! 💛👑
This was superb work
Super helpful explanation! Thank you!
Great job as usual Rod.
Well done Brother.
Thanks for that crash course on Christology 😁
It's all in 1st John. That epistle teaches on Jesus's identity very clearly but it's not what most would expect...
It's the most ignored letter for a reason. Satan hates it and blinds people to it.
I find it unethical for one side to say “he says” or “they teach” without providing some citation that can be verified. The best I’ve seen done is a quick video clip without context and again without a link to confirm. Many of the heretic hunters' accusations can be refuted by some research that would be demanded on most high school term papers. (Do they still do those, maybe that’s the problem.). Thank you for taking the time to give chapter and verse that supports your position. Funny, I don’t see them attempting to refute your refutation. Could it be they can’t?
Without Jesus I am nothing and can do nothing.
Thank God I'm never without Jesus.
Yeah and nit only are we never without him he actually lives inside of us, and we are eternally in Him
And that despite not being a heresy hunting Calvinist pharisee
Excellent….you need to get your MA in Theology and teach at a Bible College I know about😂❤️🔥👏🏻👊🏿🙏
Great video bro. Excellent Bible teaching. Beautifully explained and second to none!! Well done Rod! So grateful to God for your ministry my friend 🙏🏼
You explained well Rod. A side note: I find it interesting in Mark 13:32 when Jesus said: “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, NOR THE SON, but only the Father.". I guess part of his humanity is choosing to stay in the dark about this timing.
It's also interesting that God says he will remember our sins no more.
I don't know how fleshed out this view is for me, but it seems like God can "forget" or "not know" things as a function of His will?
Who else could restrain God, but God himself?
The Greek word "know" in that passage is mistranslated. It should read "tell", "Only the Father tells".
The same word is used by Paul, when he says, 'I am determined that when I am with you, only to "know/tell" the message of the Cross'.
It means to make one know or cause knowledge of.
@@lizh1988 Actually the Greek expression for "no one knows" in Mark 13:32 is "oiden oude" which is "has perceived not yet". The same verse occurs in Matthew 24:36 with the same Greek expression. All main bibles translate as "no one knows"; including KJV. "Oiden" or "knows" appears in Mark 4:27 for a different topic and "tell" would make no sense in that verse.
@@tomtemple69 It looks like you started to ask a question and then stopped. I don't know what your point is.
Excellent on every point, thank you, exactly right!!!!
Yes. I keep praying that you will have millions of viewers.. because I can see that you care about speaking the TRUTH. You don’t care about money or fame.. We are all thankful for you. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 We pray for this channel.
Great Video, Completely Agree!
These guys always misrepresent those they oppose. they love to set up these strawmen that have been throughly torn down but love to errect again and again just so they can be the ones seen as tearing it down
So glad you aee there defending 500 million children of God
You think they're all actually believers???
@@tomtemple69 no! Actually I know they are not all believers but I know there are many, of which I am one
I know that not all Calvinists are believers nor Armenians nor Methodists etc etc
But each and every saved soul is precious in the eyes of God
Are we now so arrogant that we lose sight of the price Christ paid on the cross
Do we now laugh and mock yhe rejoicing angles
I think it is the modern day scribes and pharisees who take the blood of Christ so lightly
Thank you so very much !
Great video as always. I always asked myself as a young believer: if God left Heaven and became a man, then what is a man, and if a man has abilities that mankind doesn't have, is He really a man? But this is the mystery and wonder of God, that He became a perfect man, totally dependant on the Holy Spirit and His Father in Heaven. Every miracle, the walking on water, multiplying the loaves, raising the dead, the perceiving the thoughts of the hearts of those around Him, He did as a man empowered by the Holy Spirit.
I think the challenge cessationists and we face is that if we are new men in Christ cleansed and washed in the blood of the Lamb, given the Same Holy Spirit then why are our lives void of this power, and maybe we will also be held accountable before God for not walking in the power of this new life in Christ.
Awesome 👍
Very well done!
I enjoy your videos because of your gentle demeanor.
The way it should be done.
Thank you ❤️
God bless!
I know this is about the 11th time I told you this but this is one of your best. You mix clearness, deepness and INTERESTING in your teaching so good, I mean I really learned a lot.
Another great one.
Spot on.
Justin has got so caught up in his ministry he has lost sight of the Lord.
Thanks Rod
WOW! This is the first time I've seen this one Rod. Great job!!!
Well done.
Thank you
Excellent explanation. Tiny error at 10:31 where you say form of a bond servant in verse 8 where you meant to say verse 7.
Well I thought I was going to make it through 2023 without any mistakes. Bummer!
Yes, the devil's temptations seemed to be designed to get Him to operate as God (which He certainly could have done, otherwise it wouldn't have been much of a temptation). He answered the temptations with scriptures that commanded man to do certain things, showing Him to be conforming to God's commandments to man. Also, the idea that He was conforming to "voluntarily restrictions" on His divine nature is supported in verses like Mark 6:5 (His power to heal was limited that day) and Luke 23:42 (His own will submitted to the Father's). And of course His statement to John: “Allow it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” He lived and died a sinless man, as risen High Priest He could then offer His blood as a pure and perfect atonement for the sins of all mankind - the sacrificial Lamb of God. Son of God, Son of man, in whom all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily.
Highly Informative... thanks Always... u are an strong person (brother & son) of The Lord..
All ur vids R jus powerful beyond measure.. u show much wisdom of Our Heavenly Father.. some people would Term u a destiny helper.... stay Amazing brother.. 🌱🎯
Calvinists who don't even believe Jesus could save the world accusing others of minimizing Christ--that's rich.
excellent!
amen! 😇👍
Have you ever thought of interviewing Nabeel Qureshi ? I just saw a video of him on UA-cam and think it would be a great interview. Thank you 🙏🏼
Well seeing as he passed away in 2017 that would be rather difficult.
@@JewandGreek sorry to hear that I had no idea 🙏🏼❤️forgive my ignorance
According to Matthew and Mark, the angels ministered to Jesus after His temptation. I doubt they prepared His meal in a kitchen, using the usual process of cooking as you claimed. Still, this is a very in-depth presentation on the subject of Christology.
The reformed clerics most certainly diminish Jesus. This video shows Justin Peters calling the kettle black. Then again, despite paying lip service to Christ, so does so much of churchianity.
This people honoureth me with their lips but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me: teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Most criticisms of Bethel Church are simply mischievous and sadly based on second hand accounts that are false.
No, most are completely valid and if you ask me way more gracious than they deserve
@@tomtemple69 like which one?
@@outofnaija physics of heaven, grave soaking, Christ alignment aka tarot cards, false prophecy after false prophecy, there is just so much, it's not just a few one off situations, it's consistent anti biblical teachings and severe lack of the gospel and truth of God
Good summary, but I think something is being missed on both sides. Bill J. is assuming that Christ was only modeling supernatural 'performance' for lack of a better term, when I think what was actually being modeled was kenosis itself. The events surrounding the baptism of Christ sort of illustrate that, his stunning submission to John is said to "fulfill all righteousness", which is then ratified by the Father and the Holy Spirit, followed by the temptation, where Christ models kenosis, refusing to use his divine nature to sustain his life, instead relying on the Father. It's that that is the precondition for him coming back in the power of the spirit IMO. I guess my point is it's not just a question of natures but humility - without the deep humility associated with kenosis, the gifts of the Spirit can become a very dangerous thing in the hands of unstable or immature people ( cf Todd Bentley), which is why the apostles and others had to see kenosis modeled and personified over time so they could have the foundation to operate in that glory without getting caught up in pride and other things. This is probably why asceticism was so big in the early church, sadly now misunderstood and only seen in the Orthodox Church as far as I know.
There are things Jesus did that no human can not
To suggest that someone can do EVERYTHING Jesus did on earth is exactly like the serpent in the garden
"You can be just like God" 🐍
Thank you for showing Christ's power manifested in His humanity by the anointing of the Holy Spirit. But isn't it true that in the Gospel of John the miracles He did which are not mentioned in the other three gospels was done in His divinity? Other words didn't He do some miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit and some as God? Raising Lazurus from the dead? turning water into wine? John says these were signs to point to Jesus as God. Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it. Surely, we couldn't do the same miracles that Jesus did.
It's truly amazing that Jesus (whom people claim to TRUST) is called the SON OF GOD over 70 times in the New Testament (mostly by himself) and affirms Peter's declaration on his identity in Matthew 16 and yet
a) he's ignored
b) people insist on deciding that they know who he is
c) "Son of God" isn't enough for people.
Have you all read Romans 5?? He HAD to be a man!
Read the warnings in 1st John!
He does NOT warn about people denying his "deity" but about people denying he was Messiah and denying his son-ship! The whole letter warns!
Unless my ears are wrong, Peter's said grave sucking.
It is a vulgar thing to say.
I replayed it still sounded like he said it.
Sad to see so many sucked into this new age teaching there are sooooo many things wrong with bethel
He set aside His power.
At any given time He could have called upon a legion of Angels.
But He choose not to.
Now if you look at the NIV you will find a different context.
PHILIPPIANS 2:6: The KJB again, clearly declares the deity of Jesus Christ: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD" The NIV reads, "Who, being in very nature God, DID NOT CONSIDER EQUALITY WITH GOD something to be grasped,".
This may have been their view, after 2011 but they update it every ten years or so to keep you guessing.😮
I came to believe in true kenosis because it's biblical
Some people what bills wife was caught grave soaking. Let's not move on
Luv ya. Rod..
Jesus did know who touched his Hem. . Just as God in the garden actually knew where Adam was hiding.. Adam where are you.?. God knew where he was but wanted Adam to come out and fess up..
Just like the woman who touched his Hem.
Did Jesus want the woman with the issue of blood to "fess up"? Did He want the father of the epileptic boy to "fess up"? Was Jesus lying about not knowing the day or hour of His return? Was He faking ignorance when asking questions in the Temple as a boy? Did He fake "growing in wisdom"? You're suggesting that the attribute of omniscience was fully operational throughout His life, but what about the attribute of omnipresence? Was Jesus only pretending to be confined to one location at a time? What about the attribute of omnipotence? Why did Jesus say that He could do nothing of himself? Why did He need to be anointed? Luv ya back.
Jesus did empty himself of divine attributes.! This is correct. How so? If we say he didn't know the day or hour of his return in his human nature only, we are committing the Nestorian heresy. After all, why not just go over to his divine side and find out?? No, to say he had two natures is Nestorian. He had one nature, human, but was endued with the Holy Spirit, given without measure. His Father was working in him doing his work. However, he was deity always in his Logos spiritual identity. This did not change in his Incarnation. As such, he was worthy of worship and allegiance as God even as a man. If he had his divine attributes while on earth he would have glorified himself, which he could not do as a man. Man cannot glorify himself. You may also notice his own brothers and sisters did not believe on him, since he did no miracles in his childhood. He was not pretending to be a baby, he was a baby. In his glorified state, however, he has his divine attributes.
Only GOD can tell who is right or wrong ….
Sorry sir but this is not true nor is it right to defend someone who fleecing the sheep you can't defend small clips you have to take hold of the whole
Makes no sense.
Satan was before the throne of god .
Talked with god .
Been with god since the beginning.
Yet you say he ( Satan ) did not recognize god , as a man .
And even tried to tempt him .
Jesus could not be god .
A deity , yes , as all Angels are .
Michael, Gabriel only two we have names of .
Both Peter and Paul refer to Jesus Christ as God. And I personally know Jesus Christ, and He is God. I know Him better than I know my own mother.
@@tannerfrancisco8759
Which is he
Messiah or god ?