Real Lawyer Reacts: Doerman's Confession Thrown Out - How is this possible? Let's talk Miranda
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They still have his wife's and stepdaughter's eye witness statements.
He's toast...
Yes ANDDDD they can still use the body cam footage of him sitting next to his g u n with a de@d kid in the background 😢. They might have to mute it but those visuals will END him.
Completely disgusting as he was an open book and I’m sure those officers were shocked walking up and finding 3 dead children.
That's a nonsense just waiting time and resources
Yeah, but now they’ll possibly have to testify and revisit the trauma in court … which sucks.
Even without the confession they should have enough to convict. What a tragedy💔
Yes but the confession gave him planning it. The death penalty. Without it they can’t prove he planned it, he will say he snapped life without parole best case scenario now. Cops screwed up royally.
They do
It's not a tragedy. The police need to be held responsible for abusing the law.
I think she’s referring to the event as tragic, not the actions of the police officer.
@@johnsambo9379that comment is for you^
They don't need the confession they have enough evidence without it.
Absolutely! He will get exactly what’s coming to him Miranda or not!
On the bright side, he was sane enough to ask for a lawyer. No insanity defense for him.
If u ask for a lawyer, that means ur not insane? Um… what? How’d you get there?
I can only imagine how those police officers felt seeing those poor children on the ground! No one should have to deal with that. I understand that is their job but how awful!
Amen!
Doesn't make stamping on someone's rights acceptable though. Regardless of how we all feel about him. Ev1 in the world is entitled to rights or would be a complete mess of cops doing anything they want and criminals would all say forced confession
@@martiferguson7087nobody is saying it's right, people are saying it was a horrific scene and a mistake was made.
@@martiferguson7087In this case, they didn't "stomp on his rights" as much as not read the rights exactly right. The suppressed confessions don't matter in this case. Just seeing the bodycam of arriving & Chad's response will convict him. This small town was traumatized. He wasn't beaten or forced to confess after being interrogated all night~ those happen all the time & are examples of rights stomped all over. This doesn't affect the case.
@@marmite.TY, exactly right. This isn't NYC or even Cincinnati. There isn't an excess of detectives to interview him.
He is a monster
There are 2 living victims. His pathetic attempt at getting out of justice for those 3 boys isn't going to work.
Yes, there are witnesses, and also: He just sat there afterwards, calmly waiting for the police to come and arrest him. That's as close to a non-verbal confession as it gets, and that body cam evidence can be used in court. The cop screwed up, but I can't imagine that it will make much of a difference in the end.
I vote to DEFINITELY FOLLOW THIS HORRIBLE CASE👍
I totally agree with you. Once a lawyer is requested, all questioning stops.
Thanks Peter for being a fighter for the law… even if it’s not what a lot of people like sometimes
Doesn't matter, he was caught red handed 😮
Of course it matters . Imagine if they only Had the confession. Imagine if the cops were allowed to get away with it this time, Imagine how much worse it could be next time.
@Mataylor17
Yes, I was referring to this case only. Thank you for keeping it real😊
Do not believe this will change the outcome. We all saw the bodycam. We all heard him talking and the cops tell him he should be silent even while they were trying to render aid.
It won’t, i think you’re forgetting his own words aside, the mom/step daughter were there. The step daughter ran to get help and the mom was holding on of the boys trying to get him away
I would hope with two main witnesses, his wife & daughter (or stepdaughter), that not allowing his confession into trial wouldn’t matter as much.
Please remember these officers just found 3 little boys dead. They are human and probably need counseling.
Yeah, I watched the body cam and honestly I was impressed by their ability to not lose it on him. When they put him in the car and he was babbling about nonsense one officer said, “you have the right to remain silent I suggest you use it.”
Yeah I woudlnt be surprise if those officers didnt have PTSD in some format. I think Doemans attroney was desperate and grasping at straws. I think the case is strong without it but its something prosectors would LOVE to have.
But they may had fouled case.
@MelindaMc no, they have him on bodycam immediately admitting what happened & he WAS read rights. There is so much evidence in this case, throwing out his statements doesn't matter. His step daughter saw, his wife saw & was shot. This isn't going to change anything. He's going down hard.
@@josephboza7448100% The LE on scene sounded wounded & traumatized upon seeing the scene & inability to save boys. 💔💔💔
This is one trial that will be hard to watch. Poor babies.
I think law enforcement was just so upset about what had happened they didn’t take the time to do it correctly
I agree. I hope they learn from their mistakes.
Agreed. Sadly this is when they need to remember it most!
@kateashby3066 💯 % agreed in cases like this is protect the case to secure a conviction
I agree. What they walked up on was awful and something that one would never think of happening. It will stay with them forever. I pray that father gets what he has coming.
In the end this shouldn’t even matter. After all, there are 2 perfect witnesses to his murder of his sons.
This is a bummer but yes, Peter, I'm very interested in this case.
Yes, please continue covering this horrific case. Thanks, Peter!
When Miranda rights are printed on a card, and all an officer has to do is read them, there's really no excuse. It's a high pressure job and they should be trained to manage that pressure and emotion to maintain this practice.
I think you have to be especially careful with someone this bad!! Don’t want him to slip through the system.
Exactly he’s extremely manipulative already
Exactly that's why the cops should have been more careful. One mistake to many and a criminal could walk away free. OK in this case they have other evidence but what if they didn't and what if they violated an innocent person's rights
Cops are human can you picture three little boys dead in the front yard. It would be really hard not to let your emotions get the best of you
I think the first responding police officers must have been really traumatised. No one goes into the police imagining they might need to deal with this type of particularly outrageous and horrendous crime. They are human beings too.
This crime was awful... I could not be a police officer or an attorney. When this crime happened, I was praying for everyone on the scene. (I have many friends in Law Enforcement and they regularly request prayers for traumatic crime scenes, for victims, and for the EMS services). It has become my new normal.
As horrible as this situation is, the defendant has his rights and they can't be violated, his were and the statements need to be thrown out.
How I feel exactly, at least this came out now an not let’s say after he was found guilty.
My heart dropped when I saw the title
Same!
This should never happen in a situation as this
There’s a ton of evidence. He’s done.
Plenty of evidence despite the lack of included confession
Please consider covering this case Peter
This monster needs to plea guilty and take his punishment he has coming!
He’s a narcissists. They don’t do the whole “personal responsibility” thing.
He has a right to defense. He also has a fifth amendment right not to incriminate himself. You don’t have to like it, but that is his right. Also, he is STILL innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Kangaroo courts don’t count.
Maybe in North Korea
My oh my if it was a Miranda violation that is a huge mistake!
I know! This is a perfect example of corrupted justice system, in such a heinous act case. This judge lacks common sense has no business being a judge
@blueskiesforever114 high? What did the judge do wrong?
@@blueskiesforever114what? I think YOU misunderstand. The COP didn’t read him his rights properly. So that means noting he said can be used against him.
He was caught red handed. Common sense says they just grab him!
@blueskies this isn’t the perfect case of corruption….this is merely the perfect case of things done improperly. The guy is guilty as sin - we saw the body cam, and we have 2 living victims who saw it happen.
Thank you Peter. It's not even really about him, like you said its about everyone's rights. Imagine if his confession was the only evidence and he was able to walk away free. How sickening would that be?. I'd love a link to be able to read all rhat document please.
The wife and her daughter would be terrified
@@jackiebushable it's scary how easy this could have been so much worse. And how wrong the cops were in not doing it right.
The officer, Detective Michael Ross, took the stand and even testified: " I'm not a robot. I probably should have read the entire card, but I'm not a robot." So absolutely, the defendant was not properly and fully informed of his rights.
It's so frustrating when an officer messes these rights up. They have to have so much evidence in this case. They just risk the departments reputation and the case
Did he offer his 3 sons their meranda rights. Did he give them a choice.
He was blabbing away at the scene. Remember the LEO told him that he should keep quiet. Is he really going to put everyone through that? We have all seen the videos from body cam. Those cops were trying to render aid to his children while he was blabbing.
He seems like a really cocky guy.
His attorneys are going to put everyone through it. I feel like he would just confess and face the music but his lawyers are fighting it for him.
@@ellendickey4769I mean, he’s a narcissist so yeah.
@@melistasyno no- he would never. Anthony Todt did the exact same thing then took back his confession and went to trial because he’s also a narcissist. They rarely concede. Chris watts is a rare exception! And I think that’s because he couldn’t handle the shame of going to trial (the same reason narcissist Adam Montgomery didn’t even show up)
@@melistasyAs they should. Although he should confess and spare the hardship.
I watched the interrogation in full. I wondered why the officer kept asking questions after Doerman said he wanted to talk to a lawyer. Since I'm not an attorney, I figured that I missed something about Doerman's statement that allowed the officer to continue.
Surely they tested his hands for gun powder as well, for additional proof.
Yes, please continue to cover this case
He's still going down..
How sickening. This better not get him off
Lol no, the evidence they have on him is plentiful!! Remember that body camera? Yeah…
Yes please continue to cover this case.
Great work!
Thankyou. You gave an excellent explanation of this case without the theatrics like on other You Tube sites. Will keep listening to your site from now on for other cases.
There’s eye witnesses..Throw out the confession..He’s still toast! 💯
Peter - Are you okay covering this case? If you are then I for one will too.
Rest In Peace to those little boys and to their mother and family there are not enough words to express my sadness for your loss.
Interested to hear about this. This horrible tragedy happened very close to where I live and the community is still recovering.
Absolutely heartbreaking 💔💔💔
I'm so sorry to hear that. It's the most gut wrenching UA-cam vid I've seen. That poor mother and daughter. How very brave she was.
I live here too. My heart is broken and I’m sick to my stomach.
You HAVE to know this-he had this planned for 3 MONTHS!!
@@JulieSkinner777 Sickening!was that one of his confessions? Even if they can't prove premeditation, this man is going away for three life terms. 🙏
I totally agree with you, I know the Miranda warning has to be read and I’m from the uk, how could a detective not realise the importance of reading it. It’s bad that his confession can’t be used, but as you say this is about all your rights, not just his.
Yes, please keep on this case.
I agree with you Peter I’m just SO irritated that the police did some sloppy work here. I understand their emotions were likely running high, I mean, I never ever ever want to see 3 dead babies who were shot by their father. But they did choose their profession and must, then, remain professional during these moments of high stress. Also, they don’t like the guy. Fair. But their oversight could have cost the prosecutor the trial. Thankfully there is such a wealth of other info, but they ought to remember that screw up’s could land very dangerous people to walk among good citizens. I hope this is lesson learned.
Cont' doermann updates.. Could you please update us in DAYBELL trial?????? Hope the interest is there. Thanks Peter
I hate that they didn’t do their job properly, and let their emotions run so hot. Now he has confessed but because someone didn’t read the rights properly , the court has to throw it out. And they should in my opinion. I absolutely agree with your Peter about this.
I'm unhappy about the loss of part of Doerman's confession but encouraged by the court's thorough study of the issue. It is good to see rights being protected without prejudice. Thank you for sharing this, Peter!
What a shame.!! If they had a legit confession then a the family would not have to endure a trial.
It would go to trial either way he’s entitled to a trial if he pleads NG
@@workingonmyroar7944 really? Didn't work that way for Ruby Franky. Is that bc she offered to take judges punishment? Is there not a deal to be made with doberman likewise ?
@@stellabythesea1492i believe Franke and Hildebrandt took a plea deal and pled guilty (prosecution dropped some charges bc of the deal(
They have plenty of witnesses
His wife and his stepdaughter.
Thank you Peter, I hope we can cover this trial. It’s horrific! And god bless everyone who works on this case!
I can blame a person who is payed by tax dollars to do their job correctly.
As a mom to 2 young boys, I'm going to pass on following this case. Sick to my stomach that it will probably go to trial.
Of course it’ll go to trial, he isn’t pleading guilty. Complete narcissist.
Wouldn’t his wife & daughters testimony be enough plus video evidence
Any appetite to address the Soto case?
What a shame the cops screwed up
Give the cops a break! When’s the last time u witnessed three kids shot, brains shot all over the yard, and a shot gun sitting in the steps? Have some compassion.. this was traumatic
The fact that the police officers don’t know the Miranda rights memorized by heart is a serious problem! 😣
You're all idiots if you think the cops messed this up!
This is what DEFENSE LAWYERS do!
@@blueskiesforever114no they get payed well and supposedly trained to do their job correctly.
When he was on the stand the officer you could tell he was using word salad to try and manipulate the situation. He had no integrity at all!
Typical cop always playing games
Absolutely, he was trying to justify himself and make excuses. That's a crooked cop.
He says that Doerman "asked to speak to Lara" which is a total fabrication, obviously he had "asked to speak to a lawyer". Dude is shameless and incompetent, I hope he is disciplined and dismissed. LE departments of integrity cannot have officers like that on staff.
@@jonoharper4729 agree wholeheartedly, it was the most disgusting game of word salad trying to hide his complete contempt for his own duty and oath he took to do the right thing. He is what gives cops a bad name. HE is the reason that the evidence HAD to be thrown out. HE is to blame! I hope that lives on his conscience.
You took us to school on this one. Thank you
I agree with you, Peter. Thing is, in this particular case, they don’t need the confession. Thankfully. All people, even monsters, deserve their rights.
Please cover his case
Rights were violated. I am glad that there's hard evidence against him and he's not going to get away with it.
Any prison sentence will be dangerous to his well being.
I don’t think it’s going to matter. IMO
This is an emotional case
Peter, this was so helpful. I was like, didn't they read them at the scene, but you reminded me it was just a pissed off (reasonably so) cop telling him to shut up. But confession of a crime seems like that negates any "rights" someone has. But there is way too much evidence against him to worry about that confession. The first few minutes of seeing him on that tape is an end for that evil human. Thank you again for breaking things down for us! Appreciate you.
nothing “negates any rights someone has.”
Jesus. I’d have the card laminated in a golden case just so I didn’t screw in up.
Peter, thank you so much for helping me understand this. At first I was so mad about the ruling but now I understand so much better and agree with the courts decision
It won’t matter one bit.
Agree with you 100%.
Sad part is, if he gets a trial, the poor mother of the boys, and their sister have to live through this nightmare, which he is responsible of ruining their lives. They have to live with the vision of that day for the rest of their lives, and I am willing to bet that they never want to see his face again!! This is a coward, who wants andbhas options, but the boys were not given an option by him now, did he!
How could the state ever find a non-biased jury knowing a confession was denied from court?
They certainly wouldn’t be telling the jury a confession was thrown out, presumably they’ll try and find jurors with minimal knowledge of the case - not everyone is following the proceedings past the initial headlines. Whether some may still know or learn of the motion to suppress in some form, like with any trial they’ll be instructed to only consider the facts presented to them, and anyone who says they’ll be biases against him based on such knowledge would be struck for cause.. does it ultimately have the same impact as if a confession was never made? likely not, no, but that becomes a “bias problem” akin to the arguments we sometimes hear that a defendant can’t possibly get a fair trial because of the notoriety of a case - that’s been argued time and again and ultimately the answer to those arguments is that if near everybody knows about something, then that’s just what it is, and defendant doesn’t get off free because their alleged crimes get nation wide attention, so imperfect though it may be, nobody is moving a trial to North Korea just to get a jury pool that knows nothing of the case. Same here, if indeed it’s impossible to find people that have no clue of the suppressed evidence’s existence, well that’s just how it is and they’ll do it as fair as they can manage.
Ultimately he sure as hell ain’t getting off so it’s not that consequential, I’d think the main reason his defense team perused it, besides they’re lawyers and that’s what they do, is that he may have a better shot at avoiding a death sentence without a confession on record.
The same way ti find unbiased jury’s in any trial- look for ppl not following the case. If it’s not allowed in court they won’t know about it. No jury will know he confessed.
I would give anything to be on this jury.
Thank you so much for covering this. It Breaks my heart
Stinks that they let their emotions get in the way. But it was horrific.
100% agree with peter. Next time This happens.... It could be you and you did not commit the crime... "give an inch,take a mile”. It’s not for the police to decide what rights people should have when they feel like it. What happens when they are just mistaken?
Just to follow up…it is imperative that all law enforcement officials do their due diligence to read the entire miranda rights every time! It should be mandatory for them to read rights verbatim to every person they arrest and or choose to question.
I thought I could watch this one but I cant. Gonna take a hard pass. Nothing he said should be left out. Tragic.
I agree!! He is a coward, and nowcwants to use taxpayers money, to try and convince everyone that he is crazy, he didn't mean it. He wants to live, but he didn't give three beautiful boys the option!! He also ruined the life of the boys sister, and their mother!! He is diffently a POS!!
I remember exactly what I was doing the day this case broke. They will have enough evidence without confession. Very sad😢
They must stop when he requests an attorney. Period!
I'm not surprised by this decision by the judge. About the time that this motion was filed it was being reported locally that Doerman had requested a lawyer and that the detective continued with his questioning.
Please cover this case
I'm so glad this body cam was released to the public.. They live in a small town, good luck finding anyone in that jurisdiction that hasn't saw it. When will our justice system be a justice system for the victims? This decision definitely hurt but the judge had to follow the law.
Doesn’t hurt the case at all.
My heart goes out to this family. I have friends who went to school with Chad and the mother. I live in Hamilton county and about 45 minutes to hour away from where this happened in Clermont County. 😢
Great job on this!
Glad you’re covering this. Thank you
I agree Peter…great learning opportunity for your community. Please do continue to follow the legal matters in this case as it will be instructive to see how the prosecution presents in case with this MTS being allowed.
I can’t stand the system sometimes.. I understand everyone gets due process but man it’s rough sometimes
He’ll still rot in jail
Great take on this. Thanks!
Thanks for summing it up for us.
Excellent...Thank you
YES please continue covering this case
While correct it feels pointless to the point of being malicious
I live in Clermont County, Ohio. Thank you for covering this!
Yes, more please!
Thank you…for going over this.
Totally agree with you. It is shame
Totally agree with you
Thanks for covering. definitely interested in this case. ❤❤❤
I agree with you 💯 percent.
Boom there it is thank you Peter
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