Real Lawyer Reacts: SHOCKING New Information From The Prosecutor In Ruby Franke's Case
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If you believe Ruby, you didn't read those damn diaries.
Thank you!!!! This is so infuriating
When I read that I couldn’t help
But wonder why they’ve not been charged by attempted murder!!
Those are additional evidence of her brainwashed state.
There was no intent, which there has to be and that has to be proved.
They did not want the children to die, but if any of them had they'd only be charged with (accidental) manslaughter.
Haven't seen th diaries. Are those on you tube.
Prosecutor is a schmuck if he believed ruby is remorseful
Well lawyer you know believes that too...
@@krystal_senemPeter is being snowed too unfortunately. I don't think it's an accident he and the prosecutor feel the same way about Ruby. They're both men who saw an attractive woman squeeze out a few tears. That's not an accident imo.
@@clim9742 I agree... I wonder if the prosecutor is a religious man as well. there were some phrases she used in her acceptance speech that irritated me which might please others...
100000%
He should be FIRED!!!!!!!
“Jody didn’t make Ruby abuse her children. Jody gave Ruby PERMISSION to abuse her children.” - Hidden True Crime
Yes. 100% truth. I love Dr. John's insight. That quote perfectly described what happened. Thx u for sharing.
And encouragement and validation.
It's so gross. All these people who say Jodi is more culpable are blind because Ruby is pretty and knows how to cry for the cameras (now that she knows that's what the public wants from her) and play victim. They read the entire 60 pages of what Ruby wrote about tormenting those children and they think she's an innocent brain-washed bystander? Nah, bro. The LDS church is saying this through the prosecutor, this is not something anyone on the case factually believes and you'll never convince me otherwise. Unless the redacted pages talk about how Jodi is actually holding them all hostage with weapons and legit threats, Ruby is the more culpable one.
and the prosecutor needs to join them in jail
@@horrormoviereactions Jodi did put the blame on the kids and psych Ruby knew better than to say that even if she believed it. Both seem Sic as can be.
I'm Jewish and a Jewish historian. While I agree that comparing things to the Holocaust is not usually appropriate, there were several very real ways that these children were tortured that mimicked concentration camps. Dehumanization through ostracism, shaving hair, exposure to the elements, denying food and water, verbal hatred and denigration, forced labor, and expectation of total obedience is a pretty damning matrix of abusive behaviors and goes beyond many "average" abuse cases. I think the head shaving, forced labor, isolation, 'scientific' recording of sadistic experimentation, and emaciation do quite naturally evoke Nazi tactics even if its not a comparison I'd generally recommend using. I'm most disgusted that Ruby compared HERSELF to Victor Frankl in one of her phone calls.
💯 Thank you. I've been saying this since details of the torture emerged. I think civilized people need to step in and stop ANY ideology, religious or secular, that perpetuates this damning confluence of belief, and dehumanizing torture to force obedience.
Wow, what a great clarifying comment ! I agree, I’m not Jewish but I don’t like when people compare a situation to the horrific events of the Holocaust but you just clarified that comparison, it is so similar just on a small scale !
Thank you for your comment!!!
Ruby forced Ruby to to perform some type of one-footed excercise that caused home to fall down and hurt his nose which then bled - and she berated him for bleeding, sounds like some of the things starving camp prisoners were forced to do by sadistic sss like calisthenics
No one does a 180 and totally repents that quick
Some MIGHT but she went from one extreme to another! She went from staring down detectives with the silent treatment to acting like she’s born again 🙄
Quickly. Repents is a verb and needs to be a described by an adverb; not an adjective.
Exactly. Her prison phone calls were her real self
Amen. There was a reason she was able to believe these lies.
she was using the children’s raw desperate energy as fuel. Ruby was focused and satanic.
Trust me, as a former Mormon, I clearly recognized the trigger words in Ruby’s Oscar winning performance at her sentencing. She clearly knows to use a sob story and specific trigger words to maximize the impact on the prosecutor , judge etc in her favor. She is a sick person that needs help as much as Jody….Read the diaries again.
And I also believe that a lot of what she said was to please the Mormon church.
Completely agree that the "awards speech" sounded like someone who has been brought up in a strict religious indoctrination and this is how she will have been brainwashed to respond to being told she has done wrong and vowing to repent, It is just words, she still believes she was doing this to "save" her kids from demons - she does not see this for what it really is - straight abuse and religion is not an excuse
those journals SPILL THE TEA!
AGREED
Former MORMON as well
@katarinaswan2102 The tone of Ruby's voice, the sappy word choices, I recognized immediately. There's so much more to this wicked horrible story. Ruby and Jody are the tip of the ice burg IMO. You can't leave the religion out of it. I hope the prosecutor recognizes he is not immune to it.
One of the heroes of this is the older gentleman, sounded like it on the 911 call, took care of that poor young man AND stood his ground to protect that poor soul. He seemed to be breaking into tears. Thank God that young man found a normal person with empathy and strength. We all could learn from him.
I'd be interested to know what he was referring to when he was talking to 911 and said something about knowing there were problems at the neighbour's house. I don't think this has been mentioned in any reporting I have seen so far
@@amandafullick2414I’ve been wondering that too but no one says anything about it !
And the mans wife, she was amazing too !!!
Ruby is just as responsible as Jody, if not MORE. She is their mother and was already abusing these children long before Jody came along. Jody just led her farther down the path. They are both pure evil and deserve the same amount of time in jail. It makes my blood boil that people are buying the crap that Ruby is spewing about being sorry for her actions. She is NOT and is only playing the game to ensure an early release from prison. She is NO VICTIM of Jody. Thank God the child was able to escape and get help to bring their torture to and end. They would have been killed by Ruby and Jody if not stopped ... NO DOUBT in my mind about that.
Absolutely!!!
Absolutely
Agree 100%. Ruby just found somebody who validated all her crazy ideas. Both of these parents abdicated their parental responsibilities to make sure NO ONE harms their children.
Ruby was abusive to her children LOOONG before Jodi showed up- I hope the parole panel doesn’t buy Ruby’s show for the court cameras acting as if she’s remorseful
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I hope her sentence is at least 20 yrs
YES!
@@bella-vi9mu thanks, i was wondering about the timeline, so when E was 6 and punished by no food, and all the rest we observed, Jodi was already there and an influence?
Yes! In that time the kids are grown up and its to late to make new ones
@@bella-vi9muthis! I am not saying Ruby wasn’t responsible for what she put her kids through, but it does seem like the abuse started when Jody came into her life! I don’t think people understand the power religion and people who use the religion to influence you can be. My mom went through it. She was the best mom you could ask for and then got caught with a new church and crazy plaster, things changed when he came into her life. She did things totally out of her character but as an adult I look back and know that she meant well and had no intention of hurting anyone (but she didn’t abuse us so it’s a little different)
@@bella-vi9muAre you Ruby’s sister..? Jesus - you read that journal. Ruby WAS THEIR MOM…. She is more culpable legally and morally.
“We expected Ruby to be remorseful but we got more than expected.” You got manipulated!!
Yip, an attractive woman flirting goes a long way. She knows how to use her assets. And the husband, who she left and hardly spoke to for a year, is now suddenly under her spell again.
Truth!!!
Yup!
Planned, rehearsed, contrite to get lesser sentence.
Exactly. She is soooooo fakeeeeeeeeeee
I spent years as a psychiatric nurse, and am pretty confident that Ruby is a master manipulator. The fact that she stood there and thanked everyone and their mother for arresting her is classic. It clearly worked because all of a sudden people are thinking she is remorseful and has changed. She is remorseful that she allowed herself to get caught. That is about it.
Yep. She played to their egos and they fell for it. Classic move.
This! She is clearly thinking ahead to a parole hearing and wants to appear as contrite and taking responsibility. Unfortunately I think her prison phone calls show a completely different mindset and that she is being totally manipulative. I hope they play these calls at her parole hearing.
A leopard doesn't change it's spots
@@screamoguy100 unfortunately, the prosecutor says he will not play ruby’s jail calls during parole hearings 🤨
Susan you should know . Right on Target. We are not fooled by this Earth Devil.
it's terrifying to see that educated and well versed people like Peter and this prosecutor believes her. Noone asks why did she thank Pam... An enabler who knew and allowed the abuse to happen. it happened during the sentencing. So no. She didn't change at all.
I completely agree!! I CANNOT understand how anyone could buy into her absolute bulls*it!!
It was torture. There should have been additional charges
Attempted murder? Does Lori and Chad come to mind?
💯👍exactly, ope those diaries are gonna be taken into account, deserves a long sentence and hopefully a taste of her own medicine
Personally, as a mother, I think Ruby is worse the Jodie because it was her job to keep her children safe. I agree that Jodie is more dangerous.
Yes, why can't people see this. Infuriating
Jodi was abusing kids before this and she found a perfect partner in Ruby, someone who cared for her kids only so far as they were useful to her and as nothing more than that. Ruby got something from Jodi, whether it was money and comfort or a sense of importance and holiness, and the fact it nearly killed her children was a price she was more than happy to pay. Even before Jodi came on the scene Ruby was abusing her kids for profit for her family blog. She never saw them as anything more than props in her life. Who cares if the props suffer if it allows the main character to feel important and special. I’m really worried that their dad is going to get custody and try to force them to reconcile with their monster of a mother.
The other thing Jodi provided Ruby was justification, acceptance, encouragement, and praise to abuse her children. She was abusing her children before but not as severely, maybe the fear of judgement and being viewed as a bad mother softened her cruelty. They are both the epitome of evil- everything they accused those poor kids of
@@TrishiDownsit could be that the cameras prevented Ruby going so far
THIS!!! You can blame Jodi all day long but RUBY gave her permission to torture her children- and kept a record of it!! RUBY failed to protect her children. RUBY poked them with cacti. RUBY got reports of the abuse and let it go on. Jodi is sick, but Ruby is an absolute monster.
I pray the parole board is able to see the forrest thru the trees and gives them 30 yrs. A condition of release should be neither have any contact with children nor in a “coaching capacity “ for anyone
Sixty
I pray that the Mormon church doesn't have parole panel in their pocket
@TeriHuebert-tq7kf unfortunately 30 is the max they can get
If they read Ruby's notes I don't see how they can't do 30 yrs..
I grew up mentally abused constantly. I’m 63 and still can’t understand how a mother has so much hatred for her children
What I find interesting is that most of the men I've heard talk about this case think that Ruby seems sincere and the women think she's not. I don't know what happens to men, and smart men at that when they hear a woman cry. It's like they can't accept we can be manipulative. She's clearly saying what she needs to say to get a lesser sentence.
Lol I think you’re right. And granted she IS crying but what these ppl don’t get is that it’s the SHAME causing her to cry. Shame isn’t remorse. It’s the feeling one gets after being CAUGHT doing something they know is wrong. They don’t regret doing X, they regret getting CAUGHT. So she’s crying for HERSELF
I’ve noticed this too. It’s the same thing that happened with Lori Vallow.
Men sometimes have blinders on when it comes to women. Especially attractive women
I haven’t heard Ruby express much sorrow and guilt for what she did to her children.
Agree with you, including Peter here, totally sucked in by her act. Very frustrating to see from a lawyer.
Ruby’s comments at sentencing where to just get a lighter sentence. She is playing the system.
She will say whatever they want to get out and keep torturing children, hope no one is dumb enough to let her
Absolutely, she knows what she's doing now as she knew what she was doing before...even before jody came in the picture .
were*^
I agree. She was putting herself on the same plane as the professionals who arrested her and participated with her conviction. That goes along with the prosecutor said along the lines of these crimes are not seen within the affluent communities.
Yep and being Mormon growing up in the church You basically become a professional public speaker... Your taught from a very young age to speak in church... And bonus points if you cry. You're literally celebrated for doing it... And literally given an opportunity once a month. At one point I made it a goal for a while to get up every single month 🤦♀️
In a nutshell, the prosecutor is saying that Jodi will get more time and I agree she IS a danger to society. BUT let us remember Ruby's revealing diary she kept, giving such terrifying detail about how she treated her little kids.
When I say terrifying, 😢I'm referring to the statement Ruby wrote that she'll fight the demon in Russell till the day he dies. Meaning, given time this could easily been a murder case.
Hats off to the kindness of the gentleman that R managed to find in his desperation to get help. That man should be celebrated and thank God there are people like him in the world❤
Will NEVER convince me that she’s sorry for anyone or anything other than herself.
Ruby’s journal is so incriminating. The stuff that has been published proves how sadistic Ruby is. Those kids surly were going to be dead and buried in the desert. 🌵
😢🙏thankful the young boy escaped❤
100%
This is the most frightening thing, the whole hand over nose and mouth and submerging in the pool and reference to R dying before she will let the demons win, sounds like they were building up to some sort of final and fatal action when they had land and isolation. Thanks to that little boys courage and self preservation he surely saved both their lives.
The Pam person seems to have been much more involved than she let on and I wonder what was really happening to the 2 older girls who she and her husband had at their house “ helping” I do hope that all the children can heal and move forward positively in their lives.
I can imagine Jodi & Ruby would have opened a CAMP to “discipline” more kids! (For a fee of course!)
@@GrammichalI think that was Jodi's plan, she had a lot of "troubled teen" clients and I think she was using Ruby's kids as guinea pigs.
Ruby did the most disgusting things before Jodi showed up. Depriving children of basic physical needs - food and water, warmth, clothes, comfort, safety, etc - as a form of punishment is barbaric. There are so many other ways to discipline a child - grounding, stopping pocket money, taking away video games. She deserves to rot in jail for a very long time and I hope everyone in there knows what she did to those kiddos
Ruby's diary is absolute evidence that she was an active player in this.
Peter can you explain why victims need years and years of therapy and time to heal. Yet Ruby has been a serial sadistic abuser to her children for years; redeemed in just one little court speech while facing prison time. Explain
@kaybae. very good question 👍
Because Ruby is putting on an act to get out of prison sooner. She hasn’t changed at all. Also, she was traumatizing and abusing her children (as documented on her family’s YT channel) long before she ever met Jodi. Imho, Ruby is just as culpable as Jodi and should serve just as much time behind bars as Jodi does. Hopefully the parole board sees through Ruby’s b.s. 🙏🏽
@@sngray11💯!
I'm going to be cynical and say it's laziness. The prosecuters don't have to put in the work with a plea deal. The judge gets the case off his docket.
Manipulation. Acting. Trying to continue the abuse because this will allow her to possibly get back to them sooner especially if her husband divorces her so he can get custody back. When she gets out it won't be part of the probation because they think they're divorced. I think that will also be part of the manipulation to get back to the 'work'.
If she is still believing it's the only way to save her kids that would be the quickest way back to them😢
I listened to her jailhouse call with her sister. Ruby played them all. She is so damn devious!!
As someone who's been abused i don't believe any of them (including husband) are redeemable. I am 46 and still suffer in so many ways. Turning 18 should not be a measure of one's mental ability to even look at their abusers
Yeah,that is soooo true👍💯
Ruby incriminates herself, as she believed what would happen to herself and Jodie if they didn’t find R the first time he escaped they would be going to jail. She was not delusional when she was writing this down. She knew full well of the consequences that would happen if they were caught.
Ruby caught on early of what the probation board wants to hear from her as she stated when she was talking to Julie that she would get an easier time because she was remorseful, but Jodie wasn’t 😮
I sincerely hope the parole board reads her journal, and her words are ringing in their ears as she is telling them how remorseful she is now, she’s not under Jodie’s spell.
Sadly Ruby has had the prosecution under her spell
The parole board needs to listen to her jailhouse calls also !!!
You are correct!
Ruby’s journals absolutely tell she was “hell bent” on torturing her children…. Period!
And she had Jody’s permission, the devil on earth.
I'm seeing Jodi as a groomer.
She built that house knowing that she would be able to manipulate others into letting her lock kids up in that prison cell she had constructed.
Her crying did not move or affect me at all. I just kept thinking about those poor kids and how she didn’t cry then! She should never get to see her kids again. They would have died if they hadn’t gotten rescued from them.
I agree
Yes long enough for the kids to be adult age
“Mama duck leading my chicks to safety” 🤮🤮🤮
Crying - lady you were caught after torturing your children for years, why are you crying? Just manipulation
I agree. And they were looking for another house in the middle of nowhere just to torture those babies How scary is that??
Ruby told her little girl. "You took your lashings well." Sick, unforgivable.
The whole case is horrific....
I pray these kids find love, peace and healing. May God always protect them.
❤🙏
The question shouldn't even be who is more evil? The fact is
They're
both evil evil🤬🤬🤬🤢
This is the real truth!!
I felt a literal sinking of my heart, learning that someone as thoughtful as Peter and someone as experienced as the prosecutor are buying into ruby’s manipulation. She is dangerous and she will hurt someone else if she gets out. She reminds me of my abusive ex in her ability to confuse and charm intelligent people.
I pray that she is kept in prison as long as possible. I pray that the kids are free of her forever because it’s clear she’ll twist other people if she can do this to people like Peter. You can’t just “hope it’s real ”, Peter, because she’ll damage whoever she can get control of when she gets out. I love your faith in people but this type of person is not ever going to be safe. They were going to kill those kids, and Ruby? Ruby was already abusing them before Jodi. so so so many people tried to get cps to intervene before Jodi came into the picture. It’s…god. It’s so terrifying you believe her.
Remember the judge in the Shanda Vanderark case? He said in the end that he almost wanted to believe the defense, that she hadn’t known better. Then he realized he wanted to believe that because the other option was to realize she wanted to hurt Timothy like that, that that kind of evil had preyed on a little boy and killed him. I imagine that this may be part of why some people who are otherwise wise and capable are falling for pretty Ruby franke’s crocodile tears and social savvy. Because the alternative is to realize that someone who had every opportunity to be a good mom chose to abuse in mind numbing ways. You only have the opportunity to believe Ruby is sorry because Russell managed to escape before she went from torturer to murderer. Please. Think of how this all would look if those children had died? We don’t need to wait for dead children to act sufficiently. Every time we do, more children are at risk.
This is such a great point. Love the comparison. 👏 👏 👏
💯%. My mother is just as manipulative and dangerous as Ruby Franke is. I hope and pray that the parole board (when the time comes) sees through her lies and manipulation. Jodi and her should never be allowed children ever again and both are equally culpable imho.
Demons can be very convincing batting her eyes flirting lying best be careful she and Ruby were in a relationship men can be so naive come on geeze!
The journals were HORRIBLE and never mentioned R SA'ing other kids, yet Ruby lied about that in court to punish R further for escaping and keep him away from his siblings. Everyone is forgetting that song and dance. She will punish him however she can
She still has control over Kevin based on the jailhouse calls, and if she has Kevin and he's fighting to get the kids back, she'll have a hand on those kids by extension even through this prison sentence.
It isn't over, she hasn't learned, she thinks she was totally justified in her actions and the light hand everyone is taking with her will just be divine intervention through her martyrdom. I cannot believe people are falling for it this way
@@meeveekins that’s such a good point about her accusation of R vs what was actually in her journal. I do so hope someone can ask Peter to think about that on a live (I’m never around at lives unfortunately). I really respect Peter and his opinions, I think it’s okay to have different opinions. Just in this case I sincerely feel afraid of Ruby being let out, afraid of what she’ll do to her children or anyone else she can get hold of.
The thought of these children waking up from nightmares about what their own mother inflicted upon them, is absolutely heartbreaking. That either of them,.especially Ruby, could have any contact with them before they are legally adults, is mind blowing
Thank you for sharing this interview!! The couple that helped Ruby’s son were so attentive and caring to that brave little boy!! Those LE officers and paramedics also deserve special recognition because they were not only attentive to Ruby’s young daughter, they exercised extreme care and patience with her in order to gain her trust and not traumatize her any further because they recognized that she was literally petrified of them!!❤️
She was so cruel before Jodi. I don’t buy it.
I agree. And to the lawyer, you know, I say this look up the BTK serial killer SENTENCING. HE THANKS EVERYBODY IN THE COURT IN THE POLICE STATION THE DETECTIVES, ETC. IT WAS WEIRD YOU then watch Ruby Franke
Me too!
Agree!
How long before? I think Jodi and her connected around 2018.
She STILL never took personal responsibility at sentencing!
I think having investigators who weren’t familiar with 8 Passengers was unfortunate. Ruby and her husband and their crazy strict parenting was abusive long before the torture Ruby and Jodi inflicted. There were huge warning signs in their videos for years. That’s why I don’t think Ruby was totally brainwashed by Jodi.
Right, too many are giving Ruby a pass including this podcast host. Ruby is the mother she is more at fault for not protecting her kids.
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I don’t know what year it was from, or if before or after Jodi. But when they sent Chad to wilderness camp both Ruby and Kevin were giddy, gleeful considering how much he might suffer there . They imply “reasons” that he is so incorrigible but won’t give any specific action. There was sadistic joy in their anticipation of how broken he would be. We had some real problems with our son, we never wanted him to suffer , we were terrified of him getting himself into trouble he couldn’t get out of before he grew up enough to make better decisions. Humiliating any of my children on a social media platform is utterly unthinkable to me. But they loved it.
Precisely, they were both willing and able.
Yes Ruby was a mean mother well before Jody was involved with her. She used food against her children. Saying it's a privilege to eat! Making them all do chores before they could eat breakfast.
Other things Ruby did were outrageous. Taking her sons bed away making a growing child sleep on a bean bag is very wrong. Even taking away his bedroom door.
She loved tormenting those children. Sending their eldest boy away to that camp both parents were overjoyed to the hardship he'd face out there.
Why these professionals are blaming it all Jody is absurd. Jody only added fuel to the fire.
Ruby is very comfortable in front of cameras and she has been manipulating people all along. She knows what to say and do to get out. People need to learn about narcissists.As for Jodi I hope they loose the key.
"... a pattern of sadistic leadership..."
We've all heard a LOT of thoughts & opinions about this case, about these women, but that statement right there is the best, most succinct & accurate description of JH that I've heard thus far.
But what about Ruby’s journal? So very disturbing!! Jody didn’t put those thoughts & words down, Ruby did!! I don’t believe Ruby is remorseful! I think she was trying to manipulate the court & obviously successful in manipulating the prosecutor!
Agreed
100%. She apologized to everyone-the police, her friend the ConneXions president who has a shady past herself-everyone but the children, her victims. She says, “oh my little ducks you are a part of me, an extension of myself because I’m a narcissist and don’t see you as independent people. I’ve always taken care of you but someone tricked me. Until then I was wonderful!” Gag.
I was thinking the same. She is so dangerous, with or without Jodi.
We need to see The Pen Papers which Jodi allegedly wrote...Kevin is very very concerned about those writings. x
Maybe even gave him some "attention" 🎉
Ruby started starving the girl prior to meeting Jodi. She made an 8P video years ago talking about how the school called her and said her packed lunches weren't sufficient.
Why do men, the prosecutor and TLYK fall hook, line and sinker for the boo hoo hoo act?? They are BOTH just as guilty and both just as wicked and should be locked up for at least 20 years so all those kids can heal because she would go right after them trying to worm her way back into their lives and their own kids lives. Same with Jodi. Other women can see right through all of it.
Ruby is attractive - they easily sway men
Yes, I think the parole board should consist of women. Let her be judged by equals.
May be crude, but if men believe pretty women just cuz they are pretty, out kinda indicates that men are thinking with the wrong part of their anatomy!?
I cannot lie. Their patience in sitting in that closet with E - until SHE was ready to come out is just absolutely heroic.
totally agree - that is someone who cares, not these people in the legal system that really don't care about the CHILDREN
I totally agree, and they weren't trying to prove anything to anyone., they didn't Even know Ruby or about her UA-cam channel,. They had one mindset., get the kids, and save them from any more torture.,... What a great team!!!., everyone working together to save the kids!!!...I applaud first responders., and especially little " R", for his bravery., and his entire demeanor., asking for 2 favors, but only one would do....😢 That's when I cry.... Listening to him say that..😢 bless his sweet heart 💗
I so agree and how responders knew to do this reveals their training and gut instincts in how to handle such a difficult situation and not cause her additional trauma.
Watching her so gingerly open the small pizza box made me wonder if her two abusers had previously offered her food like that only for her to learn it wasn't food.
@@loveboxers7554 so incredibly sad.
Ruby hasn’t snapped out of anything. Don’t let her pretty face and fake remorse fool you!
fake remorse, yes. Pretty face? ehhh
Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder it seems 🤔
But I agree on the fake remorse bit 😂
@@k_j_n1242 lol I just don't see it! the beauty of differing opinions😏
Ruby did evil things to her own children and has this sudden realization of what she has done. A mother would be hysterical and begging for forgiveness every chance she gets after realizing what she did. Instead, she’s in front of the judge apologizing like she got caught robbing a bank. There was no RAW human emotion there. She is practiced and rehearsed and looking out for Ruby. I really hope the parole board sees her for what she is. Inhumane.
The neighbors made wonderful decisions. One thing was to keep him outside not going inside so the boy felt safe & they were on camera. Police officers were very caring & handled both victims with compassion. Trauma is so personal & sensitive to each victim. Well done by all!
Ruby DID NOT make some miraculous 180 in a matter of months! She is playing contrite because she thinks she's some great martyr to her cause. She said in one of her phone calls that all the greats were misunderstood in their time and persecuted.
She's a legend in her own mind, making some great sacrifice. Ruby was abusive to her children, denying them food and beds, LONG before she met Jodi -- all Jodi did was validate Ruby's already abusive behavior and affirm her by saying she wasn't being strict enough. That's why Ruby was so loyal to Jodi in that time they lived together. Validation. Lock them both up forever, and throw the husband in there too for good measure, because he was there the whole time before Jodi stepped in.
I don’t believe anyone changes that quickly - especially without some serious counseling. It takes time to completely reverse those warped thought processes. As far as sentencing - those children may have a better chance of healing if maximum sentences are served - affirming that the law and society as a whole agree what was done to them was wrong
Absolutely!!!
Those 2 little, emaciated children had nothing to repent for. They deserved to be loved and cared for just for who they were, not for being 100% obedient.
I hope all of those kids sue their parents for their share of any profits made from that UA-cam channel, and to take all the money it takes for independent therapy for as long as they need.
@@MerryWidow420 Haven't some states passed laws REQUIRING parents of these channels to pay their children for their participation? Is this state one of those? It may explain why Ruby suddenly ended "8 Passengers" -- she did not want to share the revenue with her own children. Even the husband said in his first interview that they lost over 90% of their income when Ruby decided to end it
@@MerryWidow420 Some states require parents of these channels/videos to compensate their children fairly from the profits
@@B_Bodziak
I may be misremembering but I thought she shut it down because of the CPS involvement that commenters brought about…🤷♀️🙅🏼♀️🙆♀️⁉️
And be away from relatives and church. Just be loved, validated, cared for and therapy a lot of therapy with a professional of course.
I’ve never bought what ruby was selling. She is a mega liar trying to frame herself to get a lighter sentence.
I pray neither monster ever breathes a breath of free air again.
Ruby was abusing and traumatizing her children long before Jodi came along and imho, she is just as culpable as Jodi
is and shouldn’t be shown any leniency. Thank you Peter for continuing discuss new information that comes to light about this case. 💗
The DA disappointed me in that he sounded more like a politician than an advocate for the abused injured and helpless. I hope that the local parole board is better informed about these two women.
I think he was totally snowed by Ruby. I sent his office an email stating my unbelievable shock that their office is buying her BS. She knew what she needed to do to get a lighter sentence. After now seeing everything that's been released, how he is Team Ruby baffles me. Jodi didn't brainwash Ruby. She gave Ruby the permission to do what she has wanted to do.
It's bizarre!
@@suzannegibson8578 Thanks Suzanne. I think the public need to be emailing the parole board now that the DA and prosecutor have no further influence on the sentence. This prosecutor says he will not oppose parole for RF in future, so the public will need to put pressure on the PB at time of parole. I hope she does at least 10 years.
HE SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!!!
Could you post emails?
I'm on board to pressure the parole board and that stupid prosecutor
The LDS church recommended Jodi as a marriage counselor. I live in Utah and the silence from the church is deafening….
Yup.
LDS family services is NOTORIOUS. Trafficking, reuniting child molester parents with their children, convincing women to stay with husbands that are abusing them, did I mention child trafficking???
Therapists get caught practicing without a license again and again and again and again. Therapists practicing outside of their scope of practice. Bishops acting like they have education enough to be therapists and they don't have any (they count the spirit leading them as good enough). It's deadly especially when a person really thinks they're being counseled by God because they've been taught the bishop is God mouthpiece 🤦♀️ Leadership pushing LDS family services even with all the horrible stuff known that goes on in those places.
Oh and LDS family services recommending those notorious camps and brat camp... A former LDS family services person starting a whole bunch of those programs and camps and having a lot of church members involved in working at those torture camps and torture programs... Ones that have been shut down and pop back up with new names.
And that's not even talking about the number of people that have lost their lives because they thought LDS family services was going to be able to help them and they were not equipped to or educated enough to.
I was almost a un-aliving statistic of LDS family services myself.
There are little to no records of lots of the stuff they do because they learned from the Catholic Church getting caught and what got them caught and how much written proof there was and take little to no records so that they don't get caught with all of this like the Catholic Church did.
They want to be able to keep their billions.
Right?! I still have family members that believe Jody is wonderful and innocent. The church cultivates blind followers then washes their hands of responsibility for the numerous cults that continue to pop up as a result. Case in point Daybell /Valow.
If anything, Ruby is more dangerous. She knows and is willing to tell people exactly what they want to hear.
Thanks for getting straight to the point. This case is amazing. They are monsters.
what a stupid prosecutor. Sorry
As I am watching this , I am realizing how gullible the prosecutor is. If he is voted into office I would not vote for him. He fell for pretty women just like police did in Arizona for Lori Daybell. What do these men fall for.? Think with your brain.
Yes, he must be influenced by the Mormon church of dummy's
Prosecutors tend to be too normal to really understand cultish or sadistic behavior.
Riiiiiight
love that we all see this dude was bought to try and convince us hurting and torturing children is ok. Bought and who knows what he's involved in/with. What a disgusting human
Peter needs to look at the 8 passengers videos and see how Ruby lights up every time she mentions punishing her children.
We’re can you find them? I thought they’d been taken down.
@@fussyrenovator7551 mainly various true crime youtubers have clips
@@fussyrenovator7551There are just numerous clips from UA-cam Crime channels
Exactly. She was abusing her kids before she met Jodi, just in different ways. Now she's scapegoated Jodi and people are falling for it.
@@fussyrenovator7551I know Jordan and Mckay made commentary on some of the videos before they were taken down.
That’s so ridiculous! Ruby was abusing her kids before Jodi, not as extreme but she was and sounds like they want to let her out after 4 years which is less than some pot dealers 🤦🏼♀️
Thanks for covering this. It's a very disturbing situation and I really care about those kids - hoping they are only treated with love and kindness, and that they get some qualified trauma recovery treatment... not the witchcraft type that Jodi and some other LDS "counselors" practice. ❤
I saw recently both of ruby’s 2 older kids were celebrating her arrest and sentencing plea. Saying finally. They have been trying to get the police to do something for years. I think that speaks volumes to what the family thinks of Ruby.
Jesse Hildebrant said they would go to every parole hearing begging them to keep Jodi as long as the law allows.
I have a lot of admiration for Jesse.
Me too... Just afraid Jesse might not feel they knew Ruby enough to. I think they meant that for Jodi their hearings will be at different times.
I mean I hope they do both really I do for the kids sakes because I know how Utah is about family and reuniting... And forgiving... So that would mean custody and parental rights / maybe visitation😢
Justice to all Jodi’s victims!!!
This prosecutor seems like a genuinely good guy. Thanks for the updates!
I've survived so much abuse and felt like I was doing something for so much abuse to have happened to me. I think we've just made this world a safe space for abusers. Cases like this make me realize that abusers just have to manipulate the right way to keep getting away with it and to be able to keep doing it. Reactions like this video and the prosecutor finally helps me understand why we will never be safe and we will never get to a place where we are safe until a majority of professionals figure out how to recognize when they're being manipulated.
As well as the terms aren't enough and plea deals need to stop being so common in these cases... And if it means that we need to change how we treat survivors in court so that it's safe for children/adult survivors to go through the ordeal of court then we should be doing that because THIS isn't working.
THIS is what puts children and other adults that don't know a person is an abuser in further danger even after they're a known abuser by the courts.
We need harsher sentences And we need these professionals to stop giving out forgiveness where it's not theirs to give out.
Note to self: if ever arrested remember to thank ALL gov employees who arrested me prosecuted me and jailed me for a LIGHTER sentence!!!! This dude is SO naive it’s painful!!! I guess all gov employees need is a big huge THANK YOU & TONS of praise in order to buckle and give horrible people good deals!!!
Thank you - totally this guy is so dumbed down is as insane as torturing children
Yup- also where was CPS?? I was under the impression they were contacted numerous times…. WTF didn’t they protect the kids?
Yes, but if you watch the video, it worked. They ALL believed her. That’s when I knew she was going to come out of this fighting. So either she sold it well (and being able to do that is indicated by her social media following number) OR she really did realize what she did.
It's because first and foremost they can only charge with to the extent of the law, which they did, and second they've seen far worse, believe it or not.
@@kardiojunkeetheir hands are tied and for good reason because if they have more power in their hands and more Rights to butt into people's lives then it proves to be a complete disaster!
It's happened countless times, actually.
There have been tens of thousands of children who were removed from their own homes and placed into a foster system that is, believe it or not, FAR WORSE than most circumstances children come from.
Ruby and Jody should never get out of prison. They are monsters.
Most definately!!!!!!
Peter how do we write to the parole board? Because if the prosecutors aren’t going to go to them, we will.
Thank you for supporting the fact that child abuse is found in all economic levels.
Ruby’S diary was brutal
I think the diary was the main reason they both plead guilty
He's delusional to think there is less abuse in upper incomes. They just get ignored like this case did over and over again! LDS sanctioned all this crazy so called counseling. Jodi's niece has been screaming about this for years. Btw I don't think these kids looked this bad in just four months.
He didn't say there was less abuse in upper incomes, he said they get less DV calls in upper income areas. Not the same thing. Lower income people are more likely to live in close proximity to their neighbors and have more difficulty hiding abusive behaviors.
@@kellstarama8235DV in middle class homes does go on. I've worked with quite a few well off women who had unexplained constant injuries. One woman was left deaf in one ear & with memory issues after yet another "tripped & fell" incident. Her husband was a lawyer. Her family told her she'd made her bed & could lie in it.
Agreed... Her sisters were awful to their kids too but they didn't escalate they keep their abuse from leaving marks 😢
I think that's why LDS people want to believe Ruby that she's repentant and that she only 'became abusive' after Jodi arrived because they'd have to take a real hard look at the way they treat their kids too.
I can’t imagine the mixed emotions of these children on there first night of freedom, with kindness from strangers, food, water, medical attention, a shower and a clean bed to sleep in for the first time in months, I hope they recover and go on to lead good productive lives, bless there hearts ♥️
No one can be influenced into harming someone else unless the tendency to harm is already in their personality.
If I thought someone was having a demonic visitation, the last thing I would do is invite them to my house or pay them a bunch of money and ask for parenting advice.
I’m having a really hard time with these things Kevin witnessed. He’s a lot of things (bad dad, beta male, etc), but he was disturbed with seeing basically poltergeist activity in his house after he invited Jodi to move in. And Jodi was doing spiritual rituals around this time- like messing with dark energy. I have had some weird experiences myself so I am very open to the paranormal. Ppl wouldn’t believe me if I shared what I’ve seen. I’m not saying that Jodi was possessed but I do think she has SO much negative energy that it could cause that. Or maybe she’s possessed 🤷🏻♀️ all I know is that Kevin said this happened and put his entire reputation as an engineer, doctor, and professor on the line when he admitted to witnessing this.
@@kateashby3066 I've had spirits experiences too (luckily it's been consistent enough that I've had other people verify they see/feel the same thing and doctor says I'm certified not crazy) and I'm not sure what to think either. I think it would be pretty rare for someone to have consistent, strong paranormal issues that resemble a poltergeist.
I'm leaning towards strange happenings and he's harping on the most extreme examples. Probably Jodi used those things, whether purposefully created by her or not, as "evidence" of her divine knowledge to gain more control over the Frankes. Husband Franke had the normal human reaction of "wtf" but Ruby was always crazy and this fed into her delusions about God.
I don't think Ruby is helpless, either. I think she's one of those rare people with severe delusions who is also aware enough to manipulate. Her most authentic self was probably the original 8 Passengers videos where she was strict, thought of herself as the arbiter of what is holy, and slipped masks on as needed to make people like her.
@@kateashby3066I agree 💯 on everything you are saying.
Or sleep in the room with them. The notion that Ruby thought she was powerful enough to keep demons away from Jodi is a highly intoxicating level of power and a grandiose inclination to begin with. It would also create a very strong bond between her and Jodi. Jodi had wounds on herself which at one point seemed self-inflicted; however, if she allowed Ruby to harm her as a form of religious purification, knowing she believed harsh punishment was god-ordained she could easily have easily manipulated escalating abusive cycles towards the kids.
@@kateashby3066ok - he believes he saw these things happen and then paid her for advice. Would you ask someone who is demonically possessed for advice?
When RF spoke at the sentencing, I did not hear her say I am sorry for hurting my kids. Her diary blamed the bodily function "accidents" on her children being defiant. I fear she won't be educated on what is child abuse and how it harms children while she is in prison.
Yes, she never actually apologised for abusing them, she still used the word ‘punishment’ and ‘distortion’.
@@soude85 yep. Because she's learned how to manipulate... The church teaches it. When you're in it you don't realize that's what you're being taught but yeah.
Ruby can NEVER be trusted again…… she lost that right when she treated her children in the most abominable way.
The police officers and emergency staff deserve a medal it pulls at anyone’s heart strings I’m still crying god bless theses people and the children they saved ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Ruby's journal speaks volumes as to the kind of person she WAS, IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE! There was something in the way she talked in her 8 passengers channel that sounds so similiar to her journals. How anyone in her family can look her in the eyes and forgive her after hearing about what she did to her own children from her OWN JOURNAL!?!
My reaction to prison time is based on the things Ruby said to her husband over the phone after arrest, her journal entries, and the fact that she was remorseful in front of the judge while simultaneously telling her husband she was fighting evil in their children. Ruby shouldn’t get out of prison until her two youngest victims are adults. Jodi should do more time because of her ‘therapy’ and how she broke families apart deliberately and the poor husband and wife were left feeling it was sanctioned by their church since she was recommended. Unbelievable power and control. I like the idea of redemption too, Peter. But 4 years is not long enough to rid Ruby of her talk of evil, thinking her children did not deserve privacy or food. That’s baked in belief. That’s bred in the bone philosophy of children as chattel. That’s barbaric.
An excellent assessment
That's a problem with the jury of peers... It will be a lot of LDS people who absolutely do believe even if they won't admit it that their children are theirs. That they should be strict... So they might not see the stuff before Jody has abusive 😢 Even though it absolutely was.
@@kerrysmiles Utah is full of the morman cult - professionals, doctors, attorneys, prosecutors, judges , parole board, etc.
Those kids would have probably died the way things were going. Rachel Oates described the wounds the kids had and they were down past the dermis. That's when it's so easy for sepsis or blood borne illnesses to set in. 😢
Jodi should get more time because she is supposed to be a trusted adult and was not providing "therapy" in an appropriate way, but Ruby needs to do at least 10 years or more.
What scares me is Ruby did a lot of these things when Jodi was out of town looking at property.
So… Ruby found a brand new way to show remorse-by thanking all the government actors. Listening to her jailhouse calls, I hear strategy, not remorse. And to hear you and the Prosecutor evaluating her statement and thinking it shows real remorse… I find that terrifying because that means her strategy is working. She may have passed Jodi as far as skilled manipulation, as she’s already laid the groundwork with her statement because people have bought into her “remorse.” You can see how sadistic Ruby is in the 8 Passengers way back before she met Jodi (Kevin too, btw). It’s unimaginable, the damage Ruby has done to her children by constantly telling them they are evil, and that she’s abusing and torturing them because she loves them so much. Listen to the way she talks about Sheri, her oldest daughter, and the one who’s been reporting the abuse and asking the authorities for help. It’s possible that Jodi is a bigger threat to the community, but what Ruby has done to her children deserves more than 4 years of prison time.
ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Well said !!!
I was a psychotherapist for many years, specializing in adult survivors of abuse and I can’t tell you this: Affluent households experience just as much abuse as any other population! Money does not curtail a person’s ability and/or desire to abuse their kids, or spouse for that matter. So, to recap, rich people can be just as abusive as poor people. Abusers develop and thrive in all kinds of environments.
It's so sad that these children will have to deal with CPTSD for the rest of their lives. 😢
Yup, narcissism doesn’t care about money. Well, not in THAT respect 😂
I agree. This prosecutor is way off.
Yes. Thank you for saying so.
Especially narcissistic elites with tv shows & Hollywood 🙄🤔
I can promise you that no one could ever talk me into abusing my children or any child ever.
Such a great interview and was hoping you would cover this! A truly heartbreaking situation. I appreciate your support of Ruby's rehabilitation, as hard as it is to stomach the things she did. Jodi is a terrifying individual, who I'm not sure will ever be safe to release back into society. The main thing is that the kids are kept safe and supported in their healing.
That’s why Utah has
So many hut jobs committing these queer crimes.They cap sentence to 30 years.
Ruby cried and apologised just to save face. Controlling how others see her is her one and only god! Massive respect to Russell for listening to his instinct despite all the brainwashing.
I feel that Ruby has you and a lot of people fooled! Let us not forget what she did to her children AND THE ABSOLUTE PLEASURE she took in in!😢
Exactly,she delighted in it!!!!!discussing warped👹
Yes, she actually enjoyed it.
Yes, she seems sadistic. And she was that way, starving and abusing her children long before she met Jodi. And Keven was also complicit in that. He was there.
She is evil , they both
are the worst ever😊
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6:02 it’s interesting that the Prosecutor says this in this way. In this case, not only did the neighbors call police with concerns, Ruby’s own older daughter fruitlessly reported her mother.
If they aren’t arresting people in these communities, this says to me that’s due to their choice to not take the reports seriously.
I’m also a bit confused at his saying that he bought what Ruby was selling in her court appearance despite having seen her notes/ diaries and having heard her phone calls. I’m sorry to say, but that is really dense on his part.
It also should probably be noted that this is the same state where that Provo Canyon School resides. This level of religious abuse seems to be rampant in these communities as of late. As a Catholic raised person I can say that it’s not at all the religion but Mormons can be just as hardcore as Catholics in their zealotry. The Daybell case (tried elsewhere but based in Utah), Provo, this case…his level of surprise here is pure naivety to me.
It’s SOOOO hard to get them to do anything. I’ve been on both ends. The caller and the child. Someone calls, CPS then contacts the parents to do an in-home visit, the parents clean up the house and threaten the kids to shut up, and the visit goes fine and CPS leaves forever. It’s a JOKE.
Yup and most of these prosecutors, police and judges are also Mormon.
Thank you for your insight!
I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this case.
Listening to the neighbor start to cry breaks me every time. And the fact that the police waited 3 hours in that closet with the little girl is amazing. It’s hard to find silver linings, but I’m glad the prosecutor highlighted them.
I love how patient they were with her. Someone there must have given them a brief in how to manage a traumatized child because they don’t receive that training yet they all were wonderful. No pressure, no touching. They just remained soft and kid and let her come to the conclusion that she was safe on her own.
Ruby even said on jail calls, she knew she was going to have to be remorseful and take responsiblity to get a lighter sentence. Shes playing the game better. I hope she doesnt get out til the kids are adults. And i hope kevin doesn't get them either.
Fr she shouldn't get out until she's done with menopause. don't let that b have any more kids
I love your positieve look @things @lawyer you known thank you!
So appreciate your commentary, thank you
I hope the first responders and medical team at the hospital will be able to testify to the board. Also the psychologists and therapists treating the kids. Along with the journal, video and what the children said. Hopefully the board won't be fooled by Ruby's speech! They both need the max 30 years!
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I felt (notice the past tense) that Ruby had been misled by Jody, BUT my feelings changed about Ruby when I heard what she wrote in her journal. Her own words showed how dangerous and toxic she was to her children. Her brave son saved himself and his sister from their mother. God bless all of the Franke children.
she didn't defend her children which is what a parent does. Disgraceful
100% agree. Besides, to blame Jody for Ruby's actioins is like saying "The devil made me do it. We are all subject to manipulation but how many of us would hold our kids heads underwater or kick them til they are scarred for life?
@terrioliver7901 Not only did she NOT defend her children. She actively hurt, antagonize, and demeaned her children.
Thank you bringing this information to light! Your perspective is spot-on!
I appreciate your insight so much. Things about the law and its interpretations are so interesting. Thank you.
My opinion, Ruby is a player. She is acting and saying what she thinks she needs to say in order to get a lesser sentence. I cannot read her journal with all the systematic, pre-planned abuse over and over again and then suddenly she’s sorry and sees the error of her ways. It doesn’t make sense to me.
If you remember on Ruby's UA-cam channel, she talked about starving her kids a lot. Like the time, the youngest girl had no lunch and the teacher called Ruby to tell her and Ruby was mad that the teacher called her, on that issue. Ruby told the teacher, the child was responsible for making her own lunch in the morning. And she said, oh well she will just be hungry.
And in his police interviews Kevin acted like this was no big deal and people got upset over nothing. He was condoning Ruby's abuse for years.
Thank you for being who you are!! I so appreciate you and the way you give grace! I enjoy your nonbiased coverage of cases. And I have also learned so much through following you! Keep up the good work!
I agree it was great to have this in depth interview from the prosecution. Thanks Peter
This is the problem in this country. We don't value children. These children's childhoods were stolen from them. This is a trauma they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. I think these women should be locked away and I think they should throw away the key.I don't think they deserve to be free again personally.
Narcissists don’t value ANYONE. It just happens that if you’re one of their children you’re gunna find other out more so than anyone else. And we have a LOT of narcissists in America. We celebrate them. They are the Trumps, Kardashians, the majority of Hollywood, politicians (on both sides)… and we treat them like gods. We allow ourselves to be manipulated by their sweet talk and feed into their B S. Our culture is the core of this issue.
Yup. They're scary. At the very least they shouldn't be able to have any control over vulnerable people again.