What If Dranosh Saurfang Survived The Wrathgate? - World of Warcraft
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2016
- What If Dranosh Saurfang Had Survived The Wrathgate? - World of Warcraft
Wrath of the Lich King Wotlk Lore Video
What if Dranosh, the son to Varok, had survived the events of Angrathar? How would events play out following this change? Dranosh has been stated by Thrall to be a rising star amongst the horde, only to have his legacy cut short when he was slain by the Lich King at the wrathgate. However if he had survived, how would the horde look following the war in northrend? Watch the video and find out!
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Dranosh surviving the Wrath Gate would have quiet litterally been the best thing that could happen to Azeroth.
I second that. Though i can see Garrosh taking over Black Rock.
BFA would not have happened
@@deangeloellis6910 Warlords of Dreanor wouldn't have happened and because of that no Legion and no BFA because Vuljin never dies.
@@placeholdername3818average bad expansion - best expansion - worst piece of shit expansion trash for Azeroth Dansgame
@@deangeloellis6910 Or WoD
What if Sargeras was a goblin?
XD
Hed be rich
Time is money friend
Richer than Gallywix? Pimp my legion?
Glob What if the Void Gods are gnomes?
What If Dranosh Saurfang Had Survived The Wrathgate?
We would have had one less raid boss in ICC.
That and probably alot less conflict between the hoard and alliance.
and one less awesome trinket
We named him Dranosh. It mean, 'Heart of Draenor' in orcish. In fact here he is now, he's giving you a 30% damage buff from the moral boost on not having to hear this speech.
I would not say that... Blizzard could have resurrect Ymiron, to make him a Raidboss.
Nope, they would write it so Bolvar was on Dranosh place and Tirion would have been the lich king in the end
Wouldn't mind seeing a "Part 2" to this timeline.
100% Agreed.
Specifically with how it might change bfa
Same here.
Spoilers to the video:
Hey guys just wanted to add that most of the conversations in this video, that take place between the characters are not made up. They actually took place in our timeline, like Garrosh and Cairne arguing on the boat and Cairne accusing Garrosh of being a liar. However, I do tweak the conversations a bit and change them since Dranosh is still alive. For example, the conversation with thrall and dranosh originally took place with Garrosh and Thrall when Thrall made him warchief. But thats all I had to say! Hope you guys enjoyed this "What If" video, next one will be about Darion Mograine. Haven't written any of the script down yet, but I already have it all laid out in my head!
I'm so glad you did this idea :) I was one of the people that asked for this, great job man
Classic Mak'gora rules would oblige Dranosh to kill Garrosh not because of guilt, but because of challangng to a duel to the death, which both parties have agreed to earlier. So it would be extremely dishonorble to say"i beat you and you are a normal citizen now".
+sighman thats really nit picky dude just enjoy the video
Prince Game Not realy sure the event, which shaped the end of the video having a realy large anticlimax. Is not something i would call a nitpick.
I think thrall still shouldve offered to garrosh, then garrosh would refuse as he attempted to before. Dranosh steps up and offers to lead instead of garrosh afterwards
Wrathgate is basicly the 9/11 of WoW
That or the bombing of Theramore, or.. that might just be Hiroshima
rhonin somehow absorbed the bomb and died THANK GOD NO MORE YELLING FROM HIS ASS
Brendan Kirkland CITIZENS OF DALARAN!
There's no super-clear American history analogue to this, but I might suggest what it would have been like if Spain suddenly jumped in and marched troops on the combined French/US forces at Yorktown and started killing everyone.
I think Arthas destroying the sunwell to resurect Kel'Thuzad was more the 9/11 of WoW
What if Cairne Bloodhoof won his dual against Garrosh Hellscream?
no wod and we all would have no allies from that encounter meaning we would die in the final fight
....You do realize Garrosh would already be dead....
We don't have any allies from Wod.
What allies? Havent seen any in the quests, cinematics, raid or dungeons..
You know there wouldn't be any final fight
i would not mind part 2 to this how all this events would effect cat and MoD and the like
Mod? Mists of Dankdaria?
kikibombon22 haha
YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!!
MOP wouldn't have happened. They only found Pandaria because the Horde and Alliance fleets were fighting.
Akaihiryuu77 it may have happen another way but meh it be cool to see if someone smarter than me could think it up
I'd like to see a part two of this. Dranosh being Warchief would completely change MoP and everything after it.
What if the lich king wasn't killed before Deathwing awoke.
Shit would’ve hit the fan hardcore!!
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Yep, and throw in the Burining Legion and some Old Gods and shit would go past the fan and through the damn ceiling
The Axe of Cenarius was considered by Blizzard for the artifact for Arms warriors in World of Warcraft: Legion, but the developers thought that a wooden, nature-themed axe didn't fit the class. Ultimately, [Strom'kar, the Warbreaker] was used instead.
Please give a part two to this story.
It would change so much of pandaria.
Love it! Thrall even said if dranosh was alive he'd be the war chief, the expats after would be amazing. Wish he never died.
What if Illidan managed to defeat Arthas and destroy the Lich King?
Then the crowning of Arthas as Lich King would never happen. Tirion would still be a screaming old man. Ebon blade wouldn't exist. The Ashbringer may have not been created. Alex Mograine would still be alive. Darion would too. I'm sure Ner'Zhul would have to try and lure another kid in with promises of power. Not sure about Sunwell.
***** well it's an interesting case because in wotlk it's stated there HAS to be a lich king or either the world will be overrun but in frozen the lich king felt really threatened and recalled arthas to protect him so that would mean an end to the lich king means an end to the earth which seemingly is not the case in wotlk
(Just gonna add a bit of info to what's already been stated)
In Wotlk we learn that there has to be a LK or else the Scourge will run rampart, which doesn't necessarily mean that everyone will die, but it's highly unlikely that we'd be able to stop all the masses of undead storming at us at once (because Arthas hold most of them back, even as the LK).
Ner'zhul, being the LK, called for Arthas, because Illidan could destroy the Frozen Throne. I guess Ner doesn't really care about the world being overrun, but rather so that Illidan can not destroy him.
Ner'zhul would be completely dead (if he managed to destroy the LK that is) and NOW the Scourge would rampage through the lands. Our warriors would stand against the Scourge, but seeing as they are undead, we either lose to them or manage to flee to Kalimdor for safety, thus the Eastern Kingdoms being lost.
It really doesn't add them though. Why would the scourge be more dangerous after you killed their leader. A leader who wants everyone undead but seemingly is incapable of doing it unless he is dead? Doesn't make sense.
hazzmati
Just reread what I wrote earlier.
Arthas held back the Scourge, even as the LK he did, a small part within him did.
Of course it would be better to have a general that commands the undead and focuses their attacks, but let's just take a zombie apocalypse as a good example.
Some people are afraid of such a thing, because they feel unsafe. They could live in a small town with ~300 people in it and they would still feel like they are in danger.
And when you take movies, they also are.
I have to admit, that it's a bit hard to explain, but just try to imagine it.
The undead will just mindlessly run aroiund and eventually find their way to the cities of Lordaeron/etc. Once they did, the other undead will realize this and 'join' then. The uncountable masses of undead will someday overwhelm the cities one by one and some undeads (like the Val'kyr) will start to raise new ones to refresh them. It's much harder to find new living when they fall, since we have to wait ~20 years until one can try to battle the undead.
With Arthas, they might be a bit more focused (look at the times when Arthas was still active and not just sat around whistling on ICC), but without him they are not. And since the LK commands them, the 'human boy' (in case you read the book) can also hold the armies back.
There is no *need* for a LK, but with him it's much easier and safer.
Then Dranosh had to spends weeks grinding Artifact power for the Axe of Cenrarius :P
What I wonder is how would mists play out with Dranosh as warcheif?
Asking the real questions.
In my opinion, still played out the same, except Garrosh wouldn't have the whole horde to rule like he did. But with Dragnosh as warchief and following what both Thrall, his father and the other horde leaders have taught him, would keep on trying to make treaties with the Alliance. Not sure how it would have played out with Baine meeting Anduin thus gaining Fearbreaker, granting him abilities of a paladin, who knows?
supersandman86 the aha wouldn't have been awaken + the theramore bombing wouldn't have happened. It definitely would not be the same
We'd still have old Jaina, always kind and wise. Rhonin would still be the head of the Kirin Tor, Cairne would still be alive. Vol'jin probably would've survived the attack in legion 'cause Saurfang is a badass warrior who would've made the legion cinematic more epic with his mad skills. Wow. Garrosh really fucked up a lot of things now that I think about it...
Garrosh wasn't a good politician, he was a warrior who tried to rule the Horde like it was the Horde from the First and Second Wars. He simply wasn't qualified to lead the current Horde and Thrall should've realized this. Thrall should've put Cairne in charge of the Horde despite the possible problems with the Grimtotem Tauren and the Orcs as Cairne was a proven and trustworthy friend and ally of the Orcs.
Mists of Pandaria would probably have been about stopping the Thunder King and the Mogu from conquering the world and would've been revealed to be the puppets of the Old Gods. Regarding Warlords of Draenor, it wouldn't have happened unless the Legion gets past Gul'dan and the Horde from the Alternate Draenor to invade Azeroth and the Alliance and Horde team up to stop them. Alternate Gul'dan is still sent to the present day by Archimonde to help the Legion and the stage is set for Legion only with less tension between the Alliance and the Horde.
This was an amazing video and worth all the work you put into it. I always lamented that things between the Horde and Alliance would have gone much better if Drannosh had lived, and you played it out just as I imagined it would.
Sparing an enemy in a Mak'gora would be considered a major insult and anything but honorable. Otherwise, great video!
What if Darius Crowley won the Gilnean Civil War?
They would not have allied with the Alliance which would have meant their complete extinction by the hands of Sylvanas and the Forsaken.
I like the way your thinking >:D
Actually, Gilneas would have rejoined the Alliance a lot sooner, the Worgen curse might not have spread as far as it did and the Alliance would have a port city right at Sylvanas' doorstep. One of the reasons that Darius Crowley led the Northgate Rebellion was because of Gilneas' isolationism.
Rather than reach out to the Alliance for help defending against the Scourge, Genn Greymane built a wall and asked Archmage Arugal to summon the Worgen. Not the best idea considering Greymane walled off some of his own people in the north, leaving them to either get wiped out by the Scourge or Forsaken and to get turned into Worgen.
First thing Crowley would have done upon winning the Northgate Rebellion would have been to go to Stormwind and commence negotiations with Varian Wrynn, who would certainly be more welcoming of him than Greymane, who he partly blames for the Stonemasons' riot (and thus the death of his wife and rise of the Defias) because the moment the Alliance started talking about subsidizing the rebuilding of Stormwind after the Second War and the internment of the orcs, Greymane pulled out of the Alliance out of refusal to help pay for such things.
Jeff Engert Genn's logic: let's not pay to build our alliances wall. Let's just build our own
Alex Piers... Yeah, pretty much... and look at how that turned out for him... and for Gilneas... most of them are Worgen living in a tree in Darnassus while the battle for the crumbled remains of their kingdom has been in a stalemate for years... not to mention Sylvanas gassed the whole of their capital with the Forsaken version of the Plague, and it took a LOT to get Varian Wrynn to forgive Greymane enough to let him and his people back into the Alliance. Gilneas may have been strong once... but standing alone was a fatal mistake that cost them their homeland and their humanity.
Love all this speculation it makes the lore so much more interesting, Love it pal :)
Dude... I really don't know what to say, your videos are just... amazing, keep up the good work !!
i absolutely LOVE these what if videos!! thank you very much for putting these out. i love the lore in warcraft and these make for some fun alternate thoughts of what might have been. :)
That video was full of honor, i appreciated it!!
Its something to think about i really appreciate your videos and keep on making them :D
The Litch king was a joke and i was glad to take part in slaying that joke
I love your "What if!" scenarios, good listening while grinding. :)
Good job there mate, I enjoyed watching it! :)
I love these videos please don't stop making them ever! Lol
Man, that was awesome. Thanks for the video..
Love the What If scenarios. This was well done.
Man i love this "what if" videos, great videos
best video for me :) that was crazy good...dont stop them :D
Damn,these series are so awesome.Keep up the good work. Btw I love your voice. Is very clear and understandable by foreigners like me.
I haven't been able to play WoW for a good while now because my computer literally broke. However I still watch videos of current gameplay and lore and I have to say these What If videos from you are amazing. I'm a CW Flash fan (rip season 3) so I loved the possibility of time travel or a step aside in the lore .... a What If please keep this up for all the lore even to the little things.
Very well done brutha!
Amazing content as always keep it up man.
These are so good man like this is amazing
Man this is a great video, hope you do more of these. On the note of Thura knowing he would need the axe though. the vision she saw was shown to her only by malfurion so that she would come and end up saving him.
Loved it man!!!
Love these what if videos
Please make a part two, I love this idea.
Nice one, I was thinking exactly of the same, Dranosh would have made a badass warchief
I LOVE YOU FOR MAKIN THIS VIDEO
Love the work you do on this channel, keep up the good work please!!
Epic as always =D
got goosebumps and teary eyes during this video not sure if I'm getting a cold or if sourfangs honor was that touching!! by far my favorite so far!! :)
However long it took you to make, it was worth it! Well done!
Let's be honest. Anything else could've happend for the Horde and it would've been better for it.
Can't say it would be as good for the Alliance, just that it would be better for the Horde.
I love these there just great to watch and imagine what would happen :)
Just about anyone would have been better than Garrosh "Daddy Issues" Hellscream.
As a Warcraft lore fan I will say: Good job man! Really enjoyed it!....just that...what if??!?
This was awesome.
What if a Arrogance Orc went to a altenrente reality.. revived the most Powerful Warlock that ever lived and created a way for A burning legion Invasion.. Sounds.. Very Promising isn't it....
you mean Mannoroth Moutain Drew ;)
It ain't Mannoroth MD. It's Smokey MD
I thought we told you already, we already have Doom Weed, we don't need Mannoroth's blood! Wait, what did you give the alternate orcs in 6.2, Magtheridon's jizz?
Well done!
dude, your such a good story teller
love these "What if" scenarios.
This was the best alternate history ever!!!!! Go Dranosh!!!!!!!!
Love the video, its really good
Awsome video! Keep it up
these are absolutely amazing, one of my favorite types of WoW videos
Although I feel like if draenosh wasn't killed and raised then bolvar would become the "champion" of the scourge to stop you after the airship battle, and tirion would've become the lich king.
Love this, pls more!!
Damn son. I'm 5 minutes in and you gots me in tears
this is amazing love it
omg!!!! please please PLEASE continue this story!!!
I love these vids, pls more :)
That would be so dope!
Man you talk funny but I enjoy your story telling you are by far the best I have heard on here
i love these videos
i wish more people would do these
Now i can try to imagine how the other expansions might have gone on with Dranosh as warchief. Could be interesting to speculate.
Nice touch on the Axe of Cenarius vs Gorehowl reminds me of Grom vs Cenarius
Wonderful. Yes, absolutely wonderful
I love these series, do more
Im a persob who tend to enjoy specualtions, hence i love your videos :PMORE!
Excellent video
These are fucking awesome. I would love more of these please. Maybe something along the lines of "what if neltharion had not become corrupted?" "What if Kel'thuzad had not joined the cult of the damned?" "What if Jaina and Kael'thus had become a thing instead of her and arthas?"
Pretty good video Hellscream
Amazing video
Great video.
I almost spilled a tear
Hellscream your videos are amazing and you are probably my favorite UA-camr if i could i would add you on battletag but thats your choice keep up the good work btw
Wait..
He would look back at Bolvar and say "Lok'tar ogar" (victory or death) and then retreat?
i think that deserves a facepalm
littlegambler good point otherwise he'll charge, bladestorm
What was he supposed to do, charge into the green gas and die?
Words carry more than one meaning, saying lok tar to someone by way of greeting strikes me as a pretty great compliment, like wishing them the best or victory in the future rather than at the present time.
These are my favorite videos
amazing video bravo
love the video.
very well done bravo
This has to be one of my favorite what-ifs of all time. Thank you so much for making this video and your narration for it is great! Kinda makes you think as to what sort of changes would occur within the Alliance as well since Garrosh would supposedly do NOT do the things he did in the current timeline for the Horde.
And if that is the case...could you possibly put down the what-if scenario for them as a whole? Or maybe one step further as to what the Siege of Ogrimmar would be really like?
I know this is a bit far-fetched, but I believe that if Garrosh would be disgraced due to Cairne's blind dislike towards him, he and the rest of the available Warsong tribe would just pick up and leave refusing to even rejoin the Horde due to the hatreds towards the Tauren. Or more specifically, their leader.
Cairne would be blamed for his perceived arrogance towards Garrosh that lead the young warriors' name to be tarnished and dishonored, and would become the perfect target and scapegoat for the Grimtotem. Thus, another series of events would either lead Cairne's death by poison or assassination. And, once again, the blame would be directed at Garrosh for his grudge against the Tauren. Of course, Dranosh would find this difficult to believe and would become suspicious as to why Cairne's death so suddenly after the fallout with the Warsong.
Garrosh would receive word of the old bull's passing and knew that something is wrong. He would send out a messenger to Ogrimmar and request a parlay with Dranosh, seeing that another investigation would be in order. And, as predicted, many members of the Horde would jeer and scorn the Warsong tribe as murderers and traitors, but Garrosh would pay no mind. At the summit, Dranosh, Baine, Gallywynx, Lor'themar, and Sylvannas would also be there hoping to glean some answers from the young orc. Thus, the investigation begins and Garrosh is put on trial in the presence of all the leaders of the Horde.
Constants and variables. This is just my worldview of what would happen. Once again, I know it is a bit far-fetched, but it would be amazing to see this some other part of the cosmos in an alternate timeline of the World of Warcraft.
If Dranosh survived.... I'd elect him warchief. *sobs uncontrollably*
2 years later, and I want to see a pt 2!
This. Is. Sick. ☆☆
This would be so much cooler than the real story!
i love this series
In terms of gameplay, if Dranosh survived, he'd probably be the one to give you the ICC buff instead of Garrosh, and there would be not only no need for Varok to come to Icecrown Citadel, but two bosses (Gunship and Deathbringer Saurfang) would be cut from the raid. Maybe, if Blizzard still wanted a gatekeeper boss for ICC that would fulfil a similar role to Deathbringer Saurfang instead of Deathbringer Saurfang as the gatekeeper, we'd see someone like Orbaz Bloodbane, Captain Falric or maybe High Thane Jorfus guarding the Citadel. In additional lore, we wouldn't have the Theramore bombing, meaning Jaina would still play to be neutral, and the Kirin Tor would follow suit. Liam Greymane would have survived the Battle of Gilneas, (as the Forsaken invasion of Gilneas was under Garrosh's orders) and Genn probably wouldn't be so bitter towards Sylvanas, meaning he wouldn't be there to stop her plans for immortality in Legion (if she would even have them). Cairne would still be alive, meaning Baine wouldn't be a Horde leader, but maybe an important questing figure. Dranosh, instead of Sylvanas would give you some Legion PVP buffs. Dalaran would've kept the Sunreavers as citizens in Mists lore. We wouldn't have the Vol'Jin pre-Siege of Orgrimmar event, Siege of Orgrimmar, or Warlords of Draenor. This also means that Vol'Jin wouldn't succeed him as Warchief post-raid then die in Legion, Sylvanas wouldn't have succeeded Vol'Jin, and Battle for Azeroth, the upcoming expansion, would have turned out very differently from Varok remaining in Stormwind custody for seemingly indefinite amounts of time.
Just some pointers on lasting impacts this great decision to keep Saurfang the Younger alive could've brought, but alas, Blizzard has to be a dick. If anyone wants to point out more things, or any things I could've put in, please suggest them to me.
You never know, what if they will keep him alive, if they release TBC and WOTLK for WOW Classic 2019?
This was an excellent video and I actually wish these events happened instead of what really happened
i loved this one
Heh, I am mildly disappointed Saurfang didn't tell Garrosh "there, with all your ranks taken, you are as good as dead" after the Mak'gora. But that was a good "what if" video in general.
Fine crafted great story. 5/7
good video hellscream
awesome video! don't suppose you'd be up for covering his encounter with deathwing and how he'd handle mop?
5:00 Maybe Thrall had problems communing with the elements since he was too busy drinking in that inn?
Beautiful ;-;
So... much... geek want.
Why couldn't have this happened?
Oh, wait. We wouldn't have had MoP, WoD, and Leigon.....
Mop would still exist since both factions would want to explore the new continent.
No 5.1 and theramore bombing.
We would've had Mop Just a different ending.
The ending could still have happened pretty similarly.
When a new continent is discovered to the south, a recently-acquitted Garrosh Hellscream volunteers to lead the expedition, desperate to prove himself once again.
Dranosh gladly grants him this honor, if for no other reason than to get the belligerent hero away from Orgrimmar, since Garrosh has been decrying Theramore, the Exodar, and Darnassus as stains on a perfect, Orc-ruled Kalimdor. To Saurfang's horror, these sentiments are not unpopular among many of his own people.
In Pandaria, Garrosh Hellscream discovers an ancient, terrible power capable of making him strong enough to finally realize his goal, the Heart of Y'Shaarj. Garrosh reminds the orcs of the glory days of the old Horde, when they effortlessly crushed the Draenei and Humans. He says the Horde under Thrall and Saurfang has been a betrayal of their proud heritage. He rallies his supporters, calling themselves the True Horde, to take Orgrimmar from those unworthy to rule.
After destroying the Vale to wield the power of an Old God, the Alliance and the Horde both see Garrosh as a massive threat and put aside their differences to retake the newly-captured Orgrimmar from this madman.
At the end however, as Dranosh was still in charge, he never made the decision to make Vol'jin the new Horde Warchief, but a close advisor, following the war crimes trial, and the Bronze drangon mumbo jumbo, Warlords of Draenor would be pretty the same, with the difference that this time is Dranosh who fights Garrosh again, this time killing him for real, Thrall would have not lost his shaman powers due to doubt for cheating in the duel. Fast forward to Legion, sadly it would be Dranosh who gets killed in broken shore, and the Enhance shaman artifact wouldnt be Doomhammer, maybe the cenarius great axe but modded to be used as two weappons. but there is on thing i didnt get... would Theramore be still obliterated to nothing?
Ricardo Saltos Probably not, unless Garrosh took the time to sack the city on his way to conquer Orgrimmar.
(Also, during Garrosh's invasion of Orgrimmar, Saurfang might die, refusing to let Garrosh rule while he still lives.)