@@lichking3119 omg you still alive so may I join you we will be a great alliance together legend Empire and lich king We have a great army if you want 😂😂😍😍😍
@@lichking3119 arthes we have everything Giants / assassin/ warlords/ elite archers/elite cavalry/ dragons I have won like 258 battle without lost Is that good enough to join Oh u forgot about something your army too is undead your dragon is almost bones
As I state in the last moments of this video: I know that I didn't get to mention a TON of stuff like Deathwing returning, specific major heroes and what they would do/how they would die, etc. I didn't want the video to be too long, after all. But here's my question for you guys: Would you like videos like these to be longer? maybe 20-25 mins rather than my current 15 goal? I'm always open to feedback from you all. Let me know what you think. :)
yes! nixxiom i, and many other ppl, love your content and the longer it is the more content we get, so just do as much as you able and comfortable doing! dont push yourself for our sakes, but if you can, we would love to see more content
Honestly, if you are bringing up a long and grueling reconquest campaign in Northrend then yes, Cataclysm's events should come up, as Cata happened at most 1-2 years after WotlK's end; including the Lich King's reactions to a new threat to the entirety of Azeroth popping up. Multiple episodes are fine, but the lack of timeframe in the general WoW timeline kind of breaks the AU buildup if LK's victory at ICC is meant to be the only difference.
Arthas would probably fuck Deathwing and the Legion in the butt if he had all of our heroes turned into undead. But yeah , 20 minutes will be okay. Its interesting to see what you think because those "What if" series are cool.
Nixxiom, isn’t it funny you were right again in your prediction that Slyvannas would rather use the plague on her Undercity rather than lose it to invaders?
no... there would be Panda Death Knights. Pandas have been in the game since Warcraft 3, just never touched by the scurge and all that. So if the other forces of the world were wiped out, they would eventually be attacked and the strong turned into Death Knights like the other races werel
No they werent, WC3 easter eggs and most bonus missions arent/werent canon in real Warcraft lore (e.g. maiev doesnt have Twilight Hammer/Shadow Council powers she gathered across the Tomb) and the whole bonus/Orgrimmar campaign is book bonus based instead of WC2-WC3 which were the only cases of pandas appearing (joke and brick joke continuation respective in spinoff material).
To anyone posting comments like "Is this based off of Hellscream's idea?" First of all, it's not my idea. Both Nixx and I were inspired into uploading these types of videos from watching a couple of Star Wars youtubers who started uploading series like these. It takes a good time to make vids like these folks. Days of research, another couple of days of writing the script then recording audio and then like another week to edit and get everything ready for publishing. Nobody copied the other; it's just crazy witchcraft that we both uploaded a video like this in the same week. But having that said, looking forward to more of these videos! They're a pain in the ass to research but they're fun to make in the end!
Thanks for addressing this! I was sure I wasn't the only one sitting there thinking, "I wonder if he got this idea from Hellscream." Both your video and Nixxiom's were great, and I hope to see more!
you should team up with nixx and lets say nobbel(the lorewalker ;) ) to create one big "if" machinima, maybe take some other machinima creators, break it into parts so everyone of them can upload something to their channel linking to another channel with another part (so everyone could get the value of their subscriptions and advertisement money) let it take a couple of months or even a year, this still would be epic. Maybe what if Sylvanass would want to take Lich King's place, or something. Like for example, Wrathion would convince her that she needs to take over LK's forces to protect Azeroth from legion.
You joke, but to me WoW did die with arthas. I loved WC3 but after the shitshow of Kaelthas(my favorite WC3 character), Illidian, and now Arthas all being dead i was done. Edit: I now know Illidian isn't dead somehow, because their writers realised they ran out of good characters im sure.
And more good characters will '' magicaly '' return somehow like illidan >,> ... i've said it before and i say it again. Blizzard, ruined the game with Catacalysm. That's why, we don't mention it *IN-GAME* And i bet they have a few show ups for us inn BfA for us... I'd like too see Bolvar who is the new lich king try to do something. But OFC they can't do that. Cus the '' lich king '' xD is OBV dead. But then, WE KNOW ! blizzard has a few tricks upon their sleeve with Bolvar. So, who knows what will come.
I dont think deathwing would give a shit to be fair ,even so in in actual game Deathwing and the Lich King missed out on eachother just bearly would be fun to see what would have happend of both of them were alive at the same time.
@@invoke4937 Deathwing would have to face all the Aspects as undead, Galakrond who was far stronger than any aspect alone, as well as every dragon to ever die, plus powerful beings like Jaina Thrall and others. It would be like a lizard vs army ants they would tear him to pieces.
@@Nathreim1 If Deathwing would be put inna pickle he would just blow up azeroth along with himself this was his last resort in dragonsoul aswel wen we needed to interupt his ''Cataclysm'' ability if he can pul that move of you know its over. also its foolish to think that deathwing would not be alone, its not just him vs the lich king and the scourge but the Twilight dragonflight and twilights hammer aswel deathwing himself could probly just kill thousands of scourge in one fel swoop of a flamebreath i mean this guy when he woke up from his slumber litterly broke the world im having a hard time believing he would lose to the lich king and his armies PS: with the whole Galakrond thing keep in mind this was before Deathwing got empowerd by the Old gods but even so i think some people forget that deathwing has a very powerful army of himself aswel that waited behind the shadows ready to be summond.
Being a DK for all eternity would rock. you don't have to eat, sleep or die of old age or disease, also Arthas just has that level of command that makes you want to follow him.
Oh I LOVE the idea at the end of the video. It's like every expansion ends the same. If we actually lost once, I think it would be a nice twist for once at least!
It's kind clear after Legion(expansion) and Chronicle 3 that Arthas would have defeated any Legion invasion and eventually retaliate. Azeroth is full of so many different powers, powers that are usually at odds with each other. The Scourge would incorporate all of them efficiently and Arthas would be nearly unstoppable with the entire world as Scourge.
@@KePzez with races that surrendered to the Scourge, Arthas wasn't against letting the living join the Scourge like the Vrykul and even if unwilling, they can enslave populations and use them to produce more. Also reanimating demons, wether it be Zombies or Constructs is possible.
And then he’d raise those demons as undead. Undead pit lords, dreadlords, ere’dar, and whole bunch of others Unless the whole “twisting nether” things makes them immune to being raised into undeath
New Dungeon/Mini Raid idea. Caverns of Time, alternate timeline where Arthas revived the Player Characters into his new Champions. Go by 10 man just to make things simpler and you dont have 25+ bosses. 10 Champions, Tirin, and Arthas as a boss in raid that goes all around Northrend(Using portals similar to maybe something in Siege of Org or Dragon Soul). Have a few of the fights involve the Infinite Dragonflight and bam, awesome raid. If done right.
@@TheWaterboy818 mot really it's just made Arthas more powerful when he was still Death knight (besides he didn't destroy it, he just cut it out from his body)
Not exactly a fan of RTS myself, but I'd still play it for the story. I'd prefer an RPG style though, of slowly taking over the world through quests. Like as a secondary scourge soldier, first with the world conquest, then Burning Legion seeing my potential and having to help dfeating the Scourge in Burning Legion's name.
+Dave Asher Oh ny fucking god that wouldbbe so damn good. I would love it if there were two styles: RTS and RPG style to play it. :D For fans of BOTH styles. (I realise this would be hard to make though.)
SCII RapterNew Actually they tried and failed with garrisons. I expected Garrisons to be an rts "clash of clans"-like idea where you and your friends battled together or against by building and training units. I did not expect it to be an afk quest timer. I thought those quests were for learning new units via wc3 or boosting them in upgrades like in wc2. I doubt they'd do it now, due to a failure which also was supposed to be a revival of player housing. Still, would be nice if the made a minigame for it. Would add hope for them and us.
Zebra Outpost VA/Sorrow106 same here....I wanna honk that as well the scourge vs the legion....now that’s a war I would love to see and which side the horde and the alliance would choose.
Lord Shennington The whole point of Arthas’ scourge was to take over the world and bolster his forces to fight against the Legion when they came, that’s why he wanted to make us his champions he knew we would be a great asset to him. But then again the Legion is the Legion so I honestly can’t be sure who would win.
I would have loved a 3rd faction where the Lich King never dies and you could be a death knight that served the Lich King, attacking both horde and alliance forces. I would love to serve the Lich King. "All shall serve".
well the scourge may as well can considering the lich king consumed everyone soul and make them dks including us the one who kill death wing in the future if the lich king die also we the guy who can kill old gods
No.. its enough that they pull Illidan out for every Shit. Arthas did his Job, and we had to let it be. But Id would like to have an Expansion around the fried Chick - Bolvar.
Well Nixxiom and Asmongold both want and think the next expansion will be Wrath of the Fire King. However it would have to be done with respect and attention. Tbh I just want WOTLK classic server now.
Love these what if videos. Warcraft lore can be so sad sometimes, but so rich and fun to explore. I myself indulge in lots of alternate realities, more in line with my ideals.
+Peter Griffin In his first Machinima he was a heroic Night Elf DK that fought cor redemption. Now he's an 11 year old memeboy who wants to control the world with his Warlock friend.
I diagree on the final conlcusion. The scourge is the perfect weapon to battle the burning legion. Its biggest strength is that demons dont die when destroyed they just go back to argus and reincarnate. The scourge can not only truly kill a demon by absorbing or shackling its soul once the body is destroyed, but by turning the very body into scourge, pitting the legions armies against itself, so while the legions ranks deplete, the scourge grows. Furter one if the biggest weapons the legion has is that its soldiers deem themselves immortal, once they know they can die they are a lot less...eager to fight, also manipulation tactics and fear dont work against the undead. You also forget about saronite armor - the legions best can wear it, making them IMMUNE to magic, mind control and highly resistant to physical damage. Nerzuhl was sure the scourge can take on the Burning Legion and it was establised in WC3 that indeed, the scourge could become powerfull enough to stop the legion and possily the old gods given, again, the old gods strongest tool is manpulation, fear and madness to which the scourge is immune. And good luck leeching life and light out of undead as well
This is a great video. I love the idea you added at the end too. Losing in Legion then having to deal with the Legion and whatever threat comes in the next xpac would make for an amazing story.
I would like an expansion where you work FOR one of the bad guys, like the lich King or the burning legion as we are always the heroes. When I first played as a death knight I though I would be working for the lich King throughout, but no, only for the intro area :(
Great idea Nixx, although we would all be undead by now ... but it would still be cool to be rulled by the most awesome character Blizz has ever provided ♡
Wouldn’t it be amazing if this was an expansion?? With the scourge being a new playable faction with corrupted undead versions of the current classes?!
This video is like a prophecy, Lordaeron fell but not to the hands of the Lich King, but to the hands of the Alliance. And Sylvannas did what you foretell, she refused to give up her city and bombed it turning it in a toxic waste land.
Illidan versus Arthas V.2. Maiev realizes the Scourge is just as bad as the legion returns and resorts to breaking Illidan's seals. Illidan faces Arthas once again as his demon hunters faces off against the death knights. Arthas would likely win but it would be bad ass.
I dunno man...the demon hunters are pretty powerful. Mind you Arthas' forces would out-number Illidan's. And Illidan and co are DEMON hunters, not undead hunters...:p
+Jesse Perez That's true but while Arthas would have a whole planet full of undead, the Legion have multiple planets full of demons. The real question for me though, would be if Arthas could raise the slain demons as undead. If he could, that would be one hell of a defense he could put up!
It's pretty interesting to hear your talk about how Sylvanas would use the plague to destroy Lordaeron after losing. Just like how things have play out in Battle for Azeroth.
Hmmm I kinda disagree with the idea that Arthas would lose from the Burning Legion. The player aka "Legendary defenders of Azeroth" has a very VERY specific plot point in the story of Azeroth. He is unbeatable. He is indominable. He is like the Superman of WoW. Jaina, Arthas, Tirion, Thrall... all are but peasants infront of the Player. When you consider the player, you consider him like a character with the highest PVP and PVE power and achievements. A Supreme gladiator with unrivaled 1v1 skills, an unmatched strategist and general with the rank of High Warlord only surpassed by the warchief himself, a defender and killer of Dragon Aspects, Old Gods, Demi Gods, Elemental Lords, Titan defenders and even Titans (Ra'den). It does not matter which side the Player picks. That side will ALWAYS win. The player started as a mere adventurer, someone who picked up his staff or sword for the heck of it and went out in the world. By trials and an insane amount of quests he became the absolute best for what he is. With unrivaled knowledge, experience and power. Travelling multiple worlds and continents. Faceing perils that even the leaders of factions would shiver against. The Lich King was the only smart person in the entire lore to figure this "Secret weapon" out. He knew that if he wanted to succeed against the Burning Legion and Azeroth he wanted those 20-40 super soldiers. With them on his side, he wouldn't lose. No matter what you throw at him. He knew that momentarally he was strong enough to kill them in a single strike but... eventually they would outclass him. That's why he intentionally let the Alliance and Horde get to icecrown. He could have beaten them any time he wanted, but that was not the point. The "player" was always the key. The player is currently strong enough to even destroy Sargeras and moving forward even the Void Lords which are beings higher in the power ranks than the Titans and Old Gods.
ANimouz uh no sarg looks at us funny and we die just saying and you obviously didnt see the part where he said the champions perished in the gas plus the champions wouldnt be thenselves they would be husks of what they used to be no longer the master strategists or pvp gladiators you described them as
"Sounds good. Doesn't work" Sylvanas would have already killed us, remember? LK would have to face the Legion alone and with no heroes to back him up. So in a way, Sylvanas would be the responsible for the Legion's victory.
They did a bullshit alternative timeline expansion called WoD, they could totally do a "What if LK won?" Expansion!!! I think it is a terrific idea, all players Horde/Alliance would be united under one faction, THE SCOURGE and fight the LEGION. I think this is a much better expansion than the one we are getting soon... Holy
Only issue is that the Legion created the scourge, which means they have a pretty good chance of just taking over the scourge. Not to mention Sargarus, and Kil'jaden are insanely powerful.
Well, lets say the 25 heroes dont die, also, If Arthas conquers whole Azeroth he gets some other good heroes, with them He defeats the deathwing, who becomes his servant and/or Arthas gets corrupted by old gods, also conquering the world, he may have got so many souls that he became so strong that kil jaden cant overpower him anymore. With deathwing, old god magic and the champions of Azeroth, He would easly destroy the legion expect for Sargaeras who never ever even fckin comes.
Legion didnt create the Scourge, LK/Ner'zhul did as a plan to fuck over the annoying red crossdressing pony princess who put him in a block of ice under the pretense of serving them. Thats like 35% of the WC3 scourge campaign plot ffsf or did everyone forget that retcons dont work in media due to death of the author clause?
They could still do that - in any timeline which the Lich King won he would eventually consume the Bronze Dragon flight and begin to leverage their power to transcend timelines and universes the same way that the Legion via Sargeras does such. After all, the Bronze Dragon flight is destined to become tainted by the Old Gods inevitably regardless according to Nozdormu himself so long as he falls into madness at the thought of his own mortality. Frankly, the best way to usurp that from happening is to curse him with undeath and put him under the Lich King [whichever version for that matter] since it will stop time from being ripped apart. A being of pure death, as the LK is, wouldn't want the inevitable march of time being disrupted so would, regardless of other desires, keep the time stream at least somewhat cogent.
12:03 nope. The Legion could never invade. Arthas' scourge would destroy the Tomb of Sargeras in similar scenario like is the Broken Shore. He wouldn't care about losses. He'd send thousands, hundreds of thousands to the tomb to close it and destroy it for good.
True, And Nixxiom forgot... What if Arthas just raised The Legion's losses? And why not raise the losses of other races like Murlocs, Animals, etc... And also, theres the possibility that Arthas could've went to numerous areas with dead shit then raised them. And don't forget, DRAGONS and some other shit. And why not just have The Cult of the Damned raise anything else?
+SCII RapterNew Plus he can use The Corrupted Ashbringer's crystal do empower Frostmourne. If he can get powerful enough then he could possibly empower The Scourge with Demons.
+SCII RapterNew Then the Legion would start fearing The Scourge because they'd start conquering planets once Azeroth is in undeath...The Titans would also have to face two menaces.
You can't raise demon's into undeath because they're souls just go back to the twisting nether i believe and im pretty sure he did rise everything into undeath hence being the king of the world and also as Nixxiom said the Legion MADE the scourge (mainly Kil'jaeden) to weaken Azeroth and im pretty sure Kil'jaeden would just one shot everything in his path with his demon armies and just finger boop arthas once then DED
You all guys are forgetting the fact that Sargaeras has the power to slice worlds in 2. If lk got strong enough, Sargaeras would have no other choice but to destroy azeroth and the titan soul within it.
Holy hop-toads this is one of the best ideas/vids OF ALL TIME!!!!! XD Now very much looking forward to the hopertunity of playing an alternate storyline expansion/pres-pansion? Wow, just wow ;D
Just saying, but did you just directly take Hellscreams idea? I mean he posted a video with the exact same concept like 4 days ago. It was also titled ''What if''. I dont mean to judge you but still, if you did atleast give the man some credit
Nah, I've been talking about this new What If video series idea for awhile now on my stream and to my friends. It's just a coincidence that Hellscream had a similar idea. Personally I've never seen any of his content before, but we did talk yesterday on my stream, and afterwords, about how we had the exact same idea and, funnilly enough, we both got the idea to do these from watching Star Wars UA-camr's in our free time. Was good talking to him. Maybe him and I can do something together in the near future. :)
If you'd have read his previous comment, he stated he got the idea from watching star wars youtubers in his free time. No need to be getting all huffy puffy tryin to blow his house down. Chill
+Alucard Pandaria would've never been discovered and garrosh would've died in northrend thus making alternate draenor never interfere with our time line. as for legion invading there's no one powerful enough to break the seal on the tomb of sageras without alternate draenor gul'dan and so with no one to create a portal for the legion to starting coming through the invasion wouldn't be possible
Even if 25 people + Fordring were reanimated I don't think they would have taken that much ground, I guess it could be possible though remember we still have Thrall, Varian, Saurfang and various other greats. Plus Arthas would have had to deal with the Twilight and Deathwing. Personally I think it would be cool if we saw the return of the lich king (bolvar fordragon) not only come back but support us in the fight against the Legion this expac.Even so, great video, keep it up! :D
Arthas killed and raised Sapphiron of the blue dragonflight without effort and that was when he was weakened and still an agent of the lich king, I'm sure he would have wasted the Twilight and the rest of Deathwings dragonflight. Deathwing might have been an issue to kill though but he might have had some sort of alliance with Arthas considering they both had designs which involved destroying all life on Azeroth. Worst comes to worst the Scourge could have just killed DW using the plague or an army of Frost Wyrms.
Oh yea! Lets not forget that he'd prob. kill the Dragonflights after raising Galakrond! (Or whatever that HUUUUUUUUGE Protodrake was named who was buried near the Wyrmrest Temple!
The lick king have won and start to take over the world, his true love Jaina will try to get an alliance and eventually they found a titan artifact that can turn Arthas back to human, there we have Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty XD
this was made way before battle for Azeroth, but he managed to predict sylvanas rigging the undercity to blow and be flooded with the plague so cudos to him for that
With classic wrath here I would like to see them build a wrath plus where the lich king did win, or at least somehow escapes and reestablished himself. He is the villain of wow and keeping him alive would bring wow back to its roots.
I would like to imagine that after the Lich King conquered Azeroth, he would find a way to invade other worlds to grow his undead army. After capturing so many worlds, Frostmourne would grow so powerful, that he may stand a chance against the Burning Legion.
or they beat the legion? Only 1 person in legion is more powerful then the old gods, Sargareas and he cantm ake anyone so strong to beat old godmagic, so legion would crumble without Sargaeras destroying everyone alone.
While I did enjoy this video and the scenarios you laid out for how the Lich King would go about his counter force. I do feel like I have to mention in the event no one else has that the Lich King DID win. He won, he killed the raid and Tirion was helpless. It was literal again LITERAL divine intervention that he ultimately lost. But again, I did enjoy the video. Well done mate.
And there I am...facing down Tirion Fordring alone... I have just enough gear to fight him one on one if I do not make any mistakes or draw the attention of his nearby minions. Out of know where comes an Orc Hunter who sees me locked in a battle that will decide the fact of the world. Orc hunter ganks me and basically hands Azeroth over to the Lich King. Stupid Horde.
Goosh another amazing video, but there's a thing I'd like to mention. I think the Dragon Aspects would make a move after seeing the Scourge's vast expanse and the newfound power that entered Arthas' army (the ''champions'' & Fordring) and they'd try to put on a big fight and maybe ultimately win? Keep up the great work
As the alliance and horde forces are being pushed back to the shores of northrend the mannis's forces arrive and stannis shatters Frostmourne with Lightbringer and kills the lich king.
I was sceptical about this vid but it was actually really cool idea and well thought out. I especially liked the of Sylvanas rigging the Undercity and can definitely see her doing it
How about... what if as the younger sibling Arthas was actually second in line for the throne instead of first, never felt that sort of pressure to prove himself, remained a paladin, Calia was the one who became a death knight, Arthas helps Jaina in sailing to Kalimdor with Lordaeron's exiles, DK Calia decides to get to the Sunwell by water instead of plowing through Silvermoon, Sylvanas remains ranger-general and Anasterian remains king, when Illidan gives Anasterian one of his vials of eternity, Anasterian uses it to make a new sunwell like Dath'remar had...
what about the old gods? surely at some point in this timeline they would be free since with the death of the horde/alliance/etc. there woul be nobody left to keep them from freeing themselves just imagine how amazing the battle between the legion and old gods would be
the old gods were mainly a issue because of the planet was filled with mortals. those under the lich king's control were all but immune to the effects of old god whispers, the nightmare, and just about everything else. so the main power of the old gods would be nothing against the scourge. deathwing would fall against the other four aspects after being reanimated and the power of the scourge. would be one hell of a fight though.
+The Mirage Well remember how he wanted to reanimate galakrond into a giant and the most powerful frost wyrm? took 5 and also alot more combined forces of the dragonflights to bring down gala. imagine only one vs an empowered galakrond as frost wyrm. correct me if im wrong but i think this is why arthas set off his agents to reanimate galakrond. as the main weapon vs deathwing and also other dragonflights. and as for the old gods? he witnesed how these 25 heroes brought down yogg saron. imagine 25 empowered. the remaining old god influences would be not much of a problem. i think the lich king had a big plan under sleeve if he succeeded in claiming these 25 heroes for himself. including tirion and after him bolvar. after it tho.. another plan i believe would be made to withstand the legion. but just think all the lives he would empower after death: thrall, tyrande, garrosh, varian, vol'jin, malfurion and also discovering what lies beneath the broken isles as he would seek ways to defend and/or defeat or pushback the legion and every contact it has with azeroth. the lich king i believe had it all planned. but he couldnt predict the future in the way that tirion would manage to break free and shatter frostmourne in a single blow.
+ceiferthegamer Cant they just escape arthas? lets say.. refuge at caverns of time? after all arthas already had chosen his mightiest frost wyrm after sindragosa. galakrond.
Adi Stefani the bronze would not let them near the cavern. they will protect it above all. to the point were they would likely abandon everyone else and bury the cavern. the old gods also cant go there since they are trapped. the cathraxi maybe but they would have a hard time getting past the bronze and maybe even the infinites. the infinites may have been made by the old gods, maybe, but they dont serve them so they may help the bronze fight against a common foe.
+ceiferthegamer Indeed. though since we are "what if"-ing then i supposed desperate times would require desperate measures to survive and convince them. but since caverns is a no go for certain then the tolviron at uldum. or maybe an accidental rediscovery of pandaria as was accidentally rediscovered and seek refuge there. just any means to go as far from northrend and eastern kingdoms as possible.
Actually I'd love for there to be that sort of version of WoW where a villain (the Lich King in this case) won and the Legion invaded. And instead of Horde and Alliance factions, there's Scourge and Legion factions.
Here's a much more intriguing subject that nerfy fanfiction writers such as myself would probably enjoy: "What if all of the expansions happened at the same time?"
Arthas would help with the Burning legion, People would keep getting Outland and Dranor confused. And Deathwing would be killing whatever he saw demon or otherwise. And the whole time all the brave adventurers would be playing pokemon go on pandara
Don't forget he'd raise Galakrond the father of dragons, probably ensuring his victory much faster. Also, I feel that if the Legion invaded they might offer him to join them, and then he'd spread Undeath across the stars...
Good stuff! I like to think that the Scourge would have the advantage against the Legion of being like a hive-mind. The only real disadvantage being you can't really raise demons into undeath...but, at this point their forces would be so vast it would be difficult for the Legion to even gain a foothold before being washed over by every living thing in Azeroth. Unless, of course, the Legion could wrest control over parts of the scourge from the Lich King, I don't think they'd stand a chance. Probably, the Old Gods might have even welcomed the Scourge, due to their similar goals. Maybe the Lich King might have become a sort of Old God himself...maybe that is still his goal (?!) Old Gods and the Scourge would have been pretty tough for the Legion to beat if they were in cahoots.
Ben Pederson and lich king is the most useless card gg. It's stupid that any spell can affect the mighty lich king. Like rogue's assasination spell, then Lich King will be ded...
@@adellys4920 An 8/8 with taunt that gives you more cards isn't useless just because you can remove it with spells. It is a powerful card and you shouldn't be throwing all your big guys out if the opponent hasn't used any removal spells.
Really wish there was more to the story of Jaina Proudmoore an Arthas/Lich King I've always been curious about Arthas if he had killed both himself as a little boy and ner'zhul's soul inside of frostmourne wouldn't Arthas soul be stuck inside of the frostmourne even though we killed him an Bolvar now wears the helm of domination an frostmourne
@@williambatman4522 If i recall, Arthas the Death Knight as a soulless being used Arthas the Paladin's personality as a base template, with the morality dialed to "evil". As a result, several little aspects of the old Arthas lingered so that Death Knight Arthas wouldn't just be a mindless zombie, resulting in his tendency to say sarcastic quips throughout the WC3 campaigns and his rage fit in the book when Kael counter-taunted him about Jaina. So while Arthas may have had his soul taken by Frostmourne, in his place was what was essentially and evil clone occupying his body, which kind of did develop his own traces of an identity.
In all seriousness, I would be curious what the interaction of Arthas and the Scourge would be with the Sha. This is assuming they even survived the Cataclysm.
cause Illidan was under the service of legion at that time, if he would win, legion would reward him and kael'thas as well as the nagas instead of being forced to fight them in the outland. that would mean a clear victory for kil'jaden over azeroth since lich king was a major threat to legion at the time.
No chance for Illidan to win even if he has been avoided that attack from Arthas because Arthas has been empowered with almost all the power of the Lich King
It's just a coincidence; I put this video out 3 days ago. It takes days to do the research not to mention writing the script and then actually recording the audio and editing down the content. It's just witchcraft that both he and I put out the similar type of video in the same week
The Old Gods take over the planet because Arthas sets them free with the help of Deathwing, as a final efford to stop The Burning legion, and then there will be the biggest war ever: The Scourge and The Old Gods (including Deathwing) versus The Burning legion. I think this alternate reality would be great for a WoW 2 :P
What about Galakrond? The Lich King planned to raise him as an undead. If he succeeded, there was no hope for Azeroth, as the four Dragon aspects as well as the power of the titans were required to take him down.
They didnt take him down, they used a trick and flew a big rock down his throat. He chocked to death in the end because he couldn't breath, not because of any external damage or magic...
The project was interrupted though. And only he knows how long that ritual has been going on. He also lost a bunch of talented necromancers in the northrend campaign, aswell as the flesh giants that helped reanimate the dragon.
The risen heroes: "so are we dead now ? Is Azeroth ruined ?" "i think so, but whatever, this is just a game and i think seeing Azeroth fall would be enjoyable" "traps are not gay" "so if i go to goldshire, will it be necrophilia ?" ..... etc. :D
but what if the alliance destroyed the bridge from Arathi to Wetlands, effectively splitting the Eastern Kingdoms in two? Arthas would have a hard time rooting out the dwarves and humans.
The helm of Domination would be destroyed, the scourge would become the mindless horde it is today and Illidan would've gone to Outland. Nothing would've changed, but Kiljaeden be a bit happier!
Well, the scourge isnt a mindless horde in the current wow time, the scourge sits idle as Bolvar Fordragon, the current lich king is in ice. So that part change.
I don't believe the Burning Legion could stand against the Scourge if Arthas is able to reanimate deceased demons like he can with other enemies. If Arthas could reanimate Pit Lords and Dread Lords and bind them to his will, the war against the Legion would eventually turn in favor the Scourge as the Legion ends up battling scores of it's own fallen army. That's my opinion anyway. Mind you, if I was Bolvar (the new Lich King) I would bring the full might of the Scourge to bear against the Legion on the Broken Isle.
There may be an issue with that because the demons don't actually "die" when on Azeroth. Their soul goes to the twisting nether. Not sure but I would bet this makes it impossible to reanimate demons. I would say that Ner'zhul is intimately familiar with the Legion's power and reach though. The entire time the LK would be taking over Azeroth, he would also be planning for the Legion. Perhaps something akin to Illidan's plan to invade Legion worlds.
if I remember corectly,only the Dreadlords go back to the Twisting Nether when they are defeated so it might be a chance for Ner'Zhul to resist The Legion.
@@ivanrazvan8099 Nah. All demon souls go back to the Nether when killed (barring some exceptions due to outside influence). This is why warlocks always summon the same demon back after dismissal.
@@chrisseger2346 I believe that with time, the Lich King would learn how to absorb demon souls before they can go back to the Twisting Nether, trapping them within Frostmourne, and re-animating the demons. It just depends on how long it takes him to perfect the procedure.
@@radicallarrythemailman8269 If he could have, I think he already would have. It would have made his army literally limitless, so I get the feeling that if he thought it were possible, he would have made every attempt to make it happen already.
Here's an interesting "what if?" for you. What if WotLK did end with us losing (a failure at the end of the expac, like Nixxiom suggested), and the Scourge became a 3rd faction? Players could've chosen to be evil, and still have to deal with Deathwing coming back. The Horde and Ally would have to deal with the Scourge, and Deathwing at the same time. Personally, I fucking love the idea of them adding a 3rd faction that are unquestionably bad guys. A scourge faction would be perfect. They could have a Lich, Val'kyr, deathknight (obviously), and some other classes specific to that faction. Just some interesting ideas...
if he won, we had warcraft 4
if he lose, we had another patch update
I never lost it's all part of my plan
@@lichking3119 omg you still alive so may I join you we will be a great alliance together legend Empire and lich king
We have a great army if you want 😂😂😍😍😍
@@lichking3119 oh ok we have undead army is that good ??
@@TheTactical0 they're just pile of Bones and you expect that to conquer azeroth
@@lichking3119 arthes we have everything
Giants / assassin/ warlords/ elite archers/elite cavalry/ dragons
I have won like 258 battle without lost
Is that good enough to join
Oh u forgot about something your army too is undead your dragon is almost bones
As I state in the last moments of this video: I know that I didn't get to mention a TON of stuff like Deathwing returning, specific major heroes and what they would do/how they would die, etc. I didn't want the video to be too long, after all. But here's my question for you guys: Would you like videos like these to be longer? maybe 20-25 mins rather than my current 15 goal? I'm always open to feedback from you all. Let me know what you think. :)
yes! nixxiom i, and many other ppl, love your content and the longer it is the more content we get, so just do as much as you able and comfortable doing! dont push yourself for our sakes, but if you can, we would love to see more content
I think either making them longer or dividing them into multiple episodes for more detail would be good
make it 2 hours or longer and i'd still watch the whole thing
Honestly, if you are bringing up a long and grueling reconquest campaign in Northrend then yes, Cataclysm's events should come up, as Cata happened at most 1-2 years after WotlK's end; including the Lich King's reactions to a new threat to the entirety of Azeroth popping up. Multiple episodes are fine, but the lack of timeframe in the general WoW timeline kind of breaks the AU buildup if LK's victory at ICC is meant to be the only difference.
Arthas would probably fuck Deathwing and the Legion in the butt if he had all of our heroes turned into undead. But yeah , 20 minutes will be okay. Its interesting to see what you think because those "What if" series are cool.
Nixxiom, isn’t it funny you were right again in your prediction that Slyvannas would rather use the plague on her Undercity rather than lose it to invaders?
kek
I was just about to post this comment
Came to say this lol
Its not HER undercity, she was just a squatter there
as a tactical move that great tho
what if the lich king won? there wouldn't be any pandas and garrisons
Sounds like the dream. Lol.
Pandas never existed for me ....
Dam we need to go back in time and kill tirion
no... there would be Panda Death Knights. Pandas have been in the game since Warcraft 3, just never touched by the scurge and all that. So if the other forces of the world were wiped out, they would eventually be attacked and the strong turned into Death Knights like the other races werel
No they werent, WC3 easter eggs and most bonus missions arent/werent canon in real Warcraft lore (e.g. maiev doesnt have Twilight Hammer/Shadow Council powers she gathered across the Tomb) and the whole bonus/Orgrimmar campaign is book bonus based instead of WC2-WC3 which were the only cases of pandas appearing (joke and brick joke continuation respective in spinoff material).
Whoah. It's creepy how you unknowingly predicted how Lordaeron would fall in the BFA pre patch to the Alliance.
Right lol I was thinking the same thing
Well yeah, it's a legitimate strategy.
You know it's a serious Nixxiom video when he says "Icecrown Citadel" instead of "Icecream Citadel"
To anyone posting comments like "Is this based off of Hellscream's idea?" First of all, it's not my idea. Both Nixx and I were inspired into uploading these types of videos from watching a couple of Star Wars youtubers who started uploading series like these. It takes a good time to make vids like these folks. Days of research, another couple of days of writing the script then recording audio and then like another week to edit and get everything ready for publishing. Nobody copied the other; it's just crazy witchcraft that we both uploaded a video like this in the same week. But having that said, looking forward to more of these videos! They're a pain in the ass to research but they're fun to make in the end!
ah that explanes cuz at first i start this was ur video at first so that clears up my mind of being like o.o is nixxiom copying
You got the idea from the "Loreguy"?
I love both you guys and this series of videos is amazing keep it up
Thanks for addressing this! I was sure I wasn't the only one sitting there thinking, "I wonder if he got this idea from Hellscream." Both your video and Nixxiom's were great, and I hope to see more!
you should team up with nixx and lets say nobbel(the lorewalker ;) ) to create one big "if" machinima, maybe take some other machinima creators, break it into parts so everyone of them can upload something to their channel linking to another channel with another part (so everyone could get the value of their subscriptions and advertisement money) let it take a couple of months or even a year, this still would be epic. Maybe what if Sylvanass would want to take Lich King's place, or something. Like for example, Wrathion would convince her that she needs to take over LK's forces to protect Azeroth from legion.
I would love to "lose" an expansion, I'm starting to feel invincible and the sense of danger is not there anymore since wrath.
"Tell them that the Lich King died, and WoW died with him..."
Ace Themisfit "Now leave this mmo and NEVER return!"
Ace Themisfit there must always be a new expansion
You joke, but to me WoW did die with arthas. I loved WC3 but after the shitshow of Kaelthas(my favorite WC3 character), Illidian, and now Arthas all being dead i was done.
Edit: I now know Illidian isn't dead somehow, because their writers realised they ran out of good characters im sure.
And more good characters will '' magicaly '' return somehow like illidan >,> ... i've said it before and i say it again. Blizzard, ruined the game with Catacalysm. That's why, we don't mention it *IN-GAME* And i bet they have a few show ups for us inn BfA for us... I'd like too see Bolvar who is the new lich king try to do something. But OFC they can't do that. Cus the '' lich king '' xD is OBV dead. But then, WE KNOW ! blizzard has a few tricks upon their sleeve with Bolvar. So, who knows what will come.
You are not prepared
Deathwing: *peeks his head out* noooope imma just stay under here for a few thousand more years
I dont think deathwing would give a shit to be fair ,even so in in actual game Deathwing and the Lich King missed out on eachother just bearly would be fun to see what would have happend of both of them were alive at the same time.
@@invoke4937 The army of undead dragons *might* be able to kill Deathwing.
If they do, Azeroth is 100% doomed.
@@invoke4937 Deathwing would have to face all the Aspects as undead, Galakrond who was far stronger than any aspect alone, as well as every dragon to ever die, plus powerful beings like Jaina Thrall and others. It would be like a lizard vs army ants they would tear him to pieces.
@@Nathreim1 If Deathwing would be put inna pickle he would just blow up azeroth along with himself this was his last resort in dragonsoul aswel wen we needed to interupt his ''Cataclysm'' ability if he can pul that move of you know its over. also its foolish to think that deathwing would not be alone, its not just him vs the lich king and the scourge but the Twilight dragonflight and twilights hammer aswel deathwing himself could probly just kill thousands of scourge in one fel swoop of a flamebreath i mean this guy when he woke up from his slumber litterly broke the world im having a hard time believing he would lose to the lich king and his armies
PS: with the whole Galakrond thing keep in mind this was before Deathwing got empowerd by the Old gods but even so i think some people forget that deathwing has a very powerful army of himself aswel that waited behind the shadows ready to be summond.
@@Nathreim1 Galakrond got beat by the 'aspects' before they were even the 'aspects'.
World of Scourgecraft: Rise of the Death Knights. You can now only play as DKs and the level cap will forever be 58.
And said Death Knight would say how great it was when everyone was alive and how they were once living and how all undead suck.
Yeah that sounds... Wait, level cap 58? And only class being death knight? Only level 58 Death Knights?
Being a DK for all eternity would rock. you don't have to eat, sleep or die of old age or disease, also Arthas just has that level of command that makes you want to follow him.
You missunderstood! Some other Guys wouldve left Alliance/Horde and help the lichking so you Could assume that you still Could Play other classes
LOL That would be AWESOME! YOU KNOW... IT WAS WAY MORE FUN BACK WHEN WE WERE ALIVE AND THE LEGION KEPT COMING FOR US. (Uses taunt)
So....
All of this happened because Invincible (Arthas's Horse)
tried to jump on a Hill and broke his leg.....
lol
Technically
It was because a tiny ice was there
Oh I LOVE the idea at the end of the video. It's like every expansion ends the same. If we actually lost once, I think it would be a nice twist for once at least!
No thanks. We've now had 2 expansions where we don't actually kill the last boss.
+Rizzla CS name them, and why the last boss we got wasn't the "last boss".
Kil'jaedan and Garrosh. As for ''name them, and why the last boss we got wasn't the last boss." I have no idea what you are trying to say there.
+Rizzla CS If you're truly so brain dead you can't comprehend my question then never mind. Lol
Cop out answer, you know im right and that your comment makes no sense, and now your trying to save face.
The same thing that happens every other time, Malfurion comes and saves the day somehow
With his pro bmx bike riders
Or Thrall
It's kind clear after Legion(expansion) and Chronicle 3 that Arthas would have defeated any Legion invasion and eventually retaliate.
Azeroth is full of so many different powers, powers that are usually at odds with each other. The Scourge would incorporate all of them efficiently and Arthas would be nearly unstoppable with the entire world as Scourge.
But quick question how does undead reproduce to bolster their numbers
@@KePzez with races that surrendered to the Scourge, Arthas wasn't against letting the living join the Scourge like the Vrykul and even if unwilling, they can enslave populations and use them to produce more. Also reanimating demons, wether it be Zombies or Constructs is possible.
Ho hoh
@@EsotericSanity what about demon meats, you can make into many troop with meat
And then he’d raise those demons as undead.
Undead pit lords, dreadlords, ere’dar, and whole bunch of others
Unless the whole “twisting nether” things makes them immune to being raised into undeath
New Dungeon/Mini Raid idea.
Caverns of Time, alternate timeline where Arthas revived the Player Characters into his new Champions. Go by 10 man just to make things simpler and you dont have 25+ bosses.
10 Champions, Tirin, and Arthas as a boss in raid that goes all around Northrend(Using portals similar to maybe something in Siege of Org or Dragon Soul). Have a few of the fights involve the Infinite Dragonflight and bam, awesome raid. If done right.
Or you take the place of those champions and fight good guys
this is what wouldve happend if blizzard didnt nerf the lich king
Joel Arstedt FACTS
He nerfed himself when he destroyed his heart
@@TheWaterboy818 mot really it's just made Arthas more powerful when he was still Death knight (besides he didn't destroy it, he just cut it out from his body)
@@MrAlinko21 Well, the heart got destroyed by Tirion.
@@MrAlinko21 bruh arthas was a paladin lol
Now the question is : What if Bolvar won 3 days ago?
@Internet Entity a Queen forever will need a king to work.
Maybe not as an expansion, but if it this was made into a WoW styled side game - I'd play the shit out of it.
Like an rts? Like warcraft 1, 2 or 3? :p
Not exactly a fan of RTS myself, but I'd still play it for the story. I'd prefer an RPG style though, of slowly taking over the world through quests. Like as a secondary scourge soldier, first with the world conquest, then Burning Legion seeing my potential and having to help dfeating the Scourge in Burning Legion's name.
+Dave Asher Oh ny fucking god that wouldbbe so damn good. I would love it if there were two styles: RTS and RPG style to play it. :D For fans of BOTH styles. (I realise this would be hard to make though.)
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Actually they tried and failed with garrisons.
I expected Garrisons to be an rts "clash of clans"-like idea where you and your friends battled together or against by building and training units.
I did not expect it to be an afk quest timer. I thought those quests were for learning new units via wc3 or boosting them in upgrades like in wc2.
I doubt they'd do it now, due to a failure which also was supposed to be a revival of player housing.
Still, would be nice if the made a minigame for it. Would add hope for them and us.
***** Yup
I'm pretty sure the scourge would have held back the legion personally
Zebra Outpost VA/Sorrow106 same here....I wanna honk that as well the scourge vs the legion....now that’s a war I would love to see and which side the horde and the alliance would choose.
Demons made the scourge soo....
Lord Shennington The whole point of Arthas’ scourge was to take over the world and bolster his forces to fight against the Legion when they came, that’s why he wanted to make us his champions he knew we would be a great asset to him. But then again the Legion is the Legion so I honestly can’t be sure who would win.
illidan and arthas would ally together woooo
I would have loved a 3rd faction where the Lich King never dies and you could be a death knight that served the Lich King, attacking both horde and alliance forces. I would love to serve the Lich King. "All shall serve".
1:38 After all that epic "Light, give me strength" line, and this happening, Tirion's last worlds would probably be "Well... This is awkward..."
Arthas should have won. If they bring out Warcraft 4, I hope they have an alternative ending to that of WOW's.
well the scourge may as well can considering the lich king consumed everyone soul and make them dks including us the one who kill death wing in the future if the lich king die also we the guy who can kill old gods
Actually it would be great idea for Warcraft 4. Alternate time line in some all of the WOW expansions
Return of the Litch King expansion would make me resub right now
BlackWidowZL1 all the retarded morons... You know Bolvar is the lich king. Wtf?
No.. its enough that they pull Illidan out for every Shit. Arthas did his Job, and we had to let it be.
But Id would like to have an Expansion around the fried Chick - Bolvar.
Well Nixxiom and Asmongold both want and think the next expansion will be Wrath of the Fire King. However it would have to be done with respect and attention. Tbh I just want WOTLK classic server now.
Scourge lore > burning legion lore
Boy r u in for a blast in 3 days
Dude you got something right, Sylvanas did rig undercity to be filled with the plague. Just the scenario is a bit different.
What if the Hogger had Won?
My god...
Then we would behold the ultimate hero against the Legion.
he would take on sargeras and slay him, toying with him during the battle.
He would defeat the void gods like they were flies.
The come-back-back of Hogger would foreshadow even Deathwing.
Love these what if videos. Warcraft lore can be so sad sometimes, but so rich and fun to explore. I myself indulge in lots of alternate realities, more in line with my ideals.
If Arthas had won Nixxiom would be dead
Like he was alive to begin with...
+Peter Griffin In his first Machinima he was a heroic Night Elf DK that fought cor redemption. Now he's an 11 year old memeboy who wants to control the world with his Warlock friend.
Nixxiom would be happy to slay any Person on Azeroth and serve the King.... as me...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
+Süchtig nach Wissen Yup... Same...
I diagree on the final conlcusion. The scourge is the perfect weapon to battle the burning legion.
Its biggest strength is that demons dont die when destroyed they just go back to argus and reincarnate. The scourge can not only truly kill a demon by absorbing or shackling its soul once the body is destroyed, but by turning the very body into scourge, pitting the legions armies against itself, so while the legions ranks deplete, the scourge grows.
Furter one if the biggest weapons the legion has is that its soldiers deem themselves immortal, once they know they can die they are a lot less...eager to fight, also manipulation tactics and fear dont work against the undead. You also forget about saronite armor - the legions best can wear it, making them IMMUNE to magic, mind control and highly resistant to physical damage.
Nerzuhl was sure the scourge can take on the Burning Legion and it was establised in WC3 that indeed, the scourge could become powerfull enough to stop the legion and possily the old gods given, again, the old gods strongest tool is manpulation, fear and madness to which the scourge is immune. And good luck leeching life and light out of undead as well
This is a great video. I love the idea you added at the end too. Losing in Legion then having to deal with the Legion and whatever threat comes in the next xpac would make for an amazing story.
If Arthas won, he would get Azeroth's supply of Hot Cheetos and die from a heart attack.
He ripped out his own heart though :P
He'd still die of a heart attack
And MTN Dew!!
johnnyscifi BY GOD HOW WOULD I FORGET ABOUT MOUNTAIN DEW
Outplayed Fel dew, taste the power of the legion!
I would like an expansion where you work FOR one of the bad guys, like the lich King or the burning legion as we are always the heroes. When I first played as a death knight I though I would be working for the lich King throughout, but no, only for the intro area :(
Thought*
raydar2016 blizzard has to be kid friendly. Hence heros never die
I mean im fairly sure the DK campaign in legion was fairly grim wasnt it? I heard there's an instance where you try siezing tirion's body
raydar2016 same...are we like, twins?
Maybe the forsaken will be that faction
Great idea Nixx, although we would all be undead by now ... but it would still be cool to be rulled by the most awesome character Blizz has ever provided ♡
what if The lich king Reanimated Deathwing
Well then we would be screwed
He kind of would have to resurrect some golden wisps because idk if you remember but Deathwing exploded into dust
He tried to reanimate Galakrond which could have arguably been worse
Fuck
It would make for a shitty expansion that’s for sure lol.
Wouldn’t it be amazing if this was an expansion?? With the scourge being a new playable faction with corrupted undead versions of the current classes?!
This video is like a prophecy, Lordaeron fell but not to the hands of the Lich King, but to the hands of the Alliance. And Sylvannas did what you foretell, she refused to give up her city and bombed it turning it in a toxic waste land.
"You will learn that no king rules forever. Only death is eternal."
Illidan versus Arthas V.2. Maiev realizes the Scourge is just as bad as the legion returns and resorts to breaking Illidan's seals. Illidan faces Arthas once again as his demon hunters faces off against the death knights. Arthas would likely win but it would be bad ass.
I dunno man...the demon hunters are pretty powerful. Mind you Arthas' forces would out-number Illidan's. And Illidan and co are DEMON hunters, not undead hunters...:p
Im just waiting for the old gods to corrupt the Lich King. Theyve already corrupted everything else!!
lol "arthas would win but would still be badass" i agree
just imagine a full scourge planet vs the legion
+Jesse Perez That's true but while Arthas would have a whole planet full of undead, the Legion have multiple planets full of demons. The real question for me though, would be if Arthas could raise the slain demons as undead. If he could, that would be one hell of a defense he could put up!
It's pretty interesting to hear your talk about how Sylvanas would use the plague to destroy Lordaeron after losing. Just like how things have play out in Battle for Azeroth.
tl;dr
Method wouldve come on their alts and cleared on heroic anyways
Lol
You mean Paragon ;D
Paragon is no more isnt it?
Actually paragon had the first LK 25 HC kill.
+Rias-Sama Paragon is no more.Method still had Server first I believe.
Hmmm I kinda disagree with the idea that Arthas would lose from the Burning Legion. The player aka "Legendary defenders of Azeroth" has a very VERY specific plot point in the story of Azeroth. He is unbeatable. He is indominable. He is like the Superman of WoW. Jaina, Arthas, Tirion, Thrall... all are but peasants infront of the Player. When you consider the player, you consider him like a character with the highest PVP and PVE power and achievements. A Supreme gladiator with unrivaled 1v1 skills, an unmatched strategist and general with the rank of High Warlord only surpassed by the warchief himself, a defender and killer of Dragon Aspects, Old Gods, Demi Gods, Elemental Lords, Titan defenders and even Titans (Ra'den). It does not matter which side the Player picks. That side will ALWAYS win. The player started as a mere adventurer, someone who picked up his staff or sword for the heck of it and went out in the world. By trials and an insane amount of quests he became the absolute best for what he is. With unrivaled knowledge, experience and power. Travelling multiple worlds and continents. Faceing perils that even the leaders of factions would shiver against. The Lich King was the only smart person in the entire lore to figure this "Secret weapon" out. He knew that if he wanted to succeed against the Burning Legion and Azeroth he wanted those 20-40 super soldiers. With them on his side, he wouldn't lose. No matter what you throw at him. He knew that momentarally he was strong enough to kill them in a single strike but... eventually they would outclass him. That's why he intentionally let the Alliance and Horde get to icecrown. He could have beaten them any time he wanted, but that was not the point. The "player" was always the key. The player is currently strong enough to even destroy Sargeras and moving forward even the Void Lords which are beings higher in the power ranks than the Titans and Old Gods.
ANimouz uh no sarg looks at us funny and we die just saying and you obviously didnt see the part where he said the champions perished in the gas plus the champions wouldnt be thenselves they would be husks of what they used to be no longer the master strategists or pvp gladiators you described them as
The player was killed in one blow until they were raised :p
"Sounds good. Doesn't work"
Sylvanas would have already killed us, remember? LK would have to face the Legion alone and with no heroes to back him up. So in a way, Sylvanas would be the responsible for the Legion's victory.
ANimouz the lich king will fack legion easy
Makes sense. WoW's ultimate villain is the playerbase itself!
They did a bullshit alternative timeline expansion called WoD, they could totally do a "What if LK won?" Expansion!!! I think it is a terrific idea, all players Horde/Alliance would be united under one faction, THE SCOURGE and fight the LEGION. I think this is a much better expansion than the one we are getting soon... Holy
Only issue is that the Legion created the scourge, which means they have a pretty good chance of just taking over the scourge. Not to mention Sargarus, and Kil'jaden are insanely powerful.
Well, lets say the 25 heroes dont die, also, If Arthas conquers whole Azeroth he gets some other good heroes, with them He defeats the deathwing, who becomes his servant and/or Arthas gets corrupted by old gods, also conquering the world, he may have got so many souls that he became so strong that kil jaden cant overpower him anymore. With deathwing, old god magic and the champions of Azeroth, He would easly destroy the legion expect for Sargaeras who never ever even fckin comes.
Legion didnt create the Scourge, LK/Ner'zhul did as a plan to fuck over the annoying red crossdressing pony princess who put him in a block of ice under the pretense of serving them. Thats like 35% of the WC3 scourge campaign plot ffsf or did everyone forget that retcons dont work in media due to death of the author clause?
well they could have made an alternative timeline if the lich king had won
They could still do that - in any timeline which the Lich King won he would eventually consume the Bronze Dragon flight and begin to leverage their power to transcend timelines and universes the same way that the Legion via Sargeras does such. After all, the Bronze Dragon flight is destined to become tainted by the Old Gods inevitably regardless according to Nozdormu himself so long as he falls into madness at the thought of his own mortality.
Frankly, the best way to usurp that from happening is to curse him with undeath and put him under the Lich King [whichever version for that matter] since it will stop time from being ripped apart. A being of pure death, as the LK is, wouldn't want the inevitable march of time being disrupted so would, regardless of other desires, keep the time stream at least somewhat cogent.
12:03 nope. The Legion could never invade. Arthas' scourge would destroy the Tomb of Sargeras in similar scenario like is the Broken Shore. He wouldn't care about losses. He'd send thousands, hundreds of thousands to the tomb to close it and destroy it for good.
True, And Nixxiom forgot... What if Arthas just raised The Legion's losses? And why not raise the losses of other races like Murlocs, Animals, etc... And also, theres the possibility that Arthas could've went to numerous areas with dead shit then raised them. And don't forget, DRAGONS and some other shit. And why not just have The Cult of the Damned raise anything else?
+SCII RapterNew Plus he can use The Corrupted Ashbringer's crystal do empower Frostmourne. If he can get powerful enough then he could possibly empower The Scourge with Demons.
+SCII RapterNew Then the Legion would start fearing The Scourge because they'd start conquering planets once Azeroth is in undeath...The Titans would also have to face two menaces.
You can't raise demon's into undeath because they're souls just go back to the twisting nether i believe and im pretty sure he did rise everything into undeath hence being the king of the world and also as Nixxiom said the Legion MADE the scourge (mainly Kil'jaeden) to weaken Azeroth and im pretty sure Kil'jaeden would just one shot everything in his path with his demon armies and just finger boop arthas once then DED
You all guys are forgetting the fact that Sargaeras has the power to slice worlds in 2. If lk got strong enough, Sargaeras would have no other choice but to destroy azeroth and the titan soul within it.
If the Lich King had that many souls, then he would DEFINITELY be able to go 1v1 with Kiljeadan.
Brightest Light if he had more than enough then titan lol
What if Garrosh Hellscream had won?
What if Deathwing had won?
What if Kil'jaeden had been summoned (in sunwell plateau)?
If Deathwing won ? Nothing lol, everybody's dead
@@juliendauvel2741 Would have been Deathwing (and his Old God masters) vs the Legion.
woa woa woa Nobble would freak out!
hello everyone
Why ? because of the being wrong?
why does everyone keep commenting this on "what if" videos???
I mean, I watch Nobbel and stuff, but I don't get it :/
What if G.R.R. Martin wrote story for wow lol
There would be a lot more deaths
Please no
You should be talking. Damn starks won't stay dead and it's not for lack of trying.
We'd still be waiting for Burning Crusades to come out.
Half the leaders would be dead, and the other half would be people you hate.
Holy hop-toads this is one of the best ideas/vids OF ALL TIME!!!!! XD Now very much looking forward to the hopertunity of playing an alternate storyline expansion/pres-pansion? Wow, just wow ;D
Just saying, but did you just directly take Hellscreams idea? I mean he posted a video with the exact same concept like 4 days ago. It was also titled ''What if''. I dont mean to judge you but still, if you did atleast give the man some credit
Nah, I've been talking about this new What If video series idea for awhile now on my stream and to my friends. It's just a coincidence that Hellscream had a similar idea. Personally I've never seen any of his content before, but we did talk yesterday on my stream, and afterwords, about how we had the exact same idea and, funnilly enough, we both got the idea to do these from watching Star Wars UA-camr's in our free time. Was good talking to him. Maybe him and I can do something together in the near future. :)
If you'd have read his previous comment, he stated he got the idea from watching star wars youtubers in his free time. No need to be getting all huffy puffy tryin to blow his house down. Chill
I'm also curious, did he also forget to factor in., pandaria? I'd love to see a second video where you factor in the other expansions.
+Alucard Pandaria would've never been discovered and garrosh would've died in northrend thus making alternate draenor never interfere with our time line. as for legion invading there's no one powerful enough to break the seal on the tomb of sageras without alternate draenor gul'dan and so with no one to create a portal for the legion to starting coming through the invasion wouldn't be possible
yes i was thinking the same thing
Even if 25 people + Fordring were reanimated I don't think they would have taken that much ground, I guess it could be possible though remember we still have Thrall, Varian, Saurfang and various other greats. Plus Arthas would have had to deal with the Twilight and Deathwing. Personally I think it would be cool if we saw the return of the lich king (bolvar fordragon) not only come back but support us in the fight against the Legion this expac.Even so, great video, keep it up! :D
he does the dk become the lk's champions in legion
Don't forget that Bolvar would have been corrupted, Kel'Thuzad would've been brought back, but we do have Muradin, Falstad, and Moira :P.
Zulatobari Greatforge ah true
Arthas killed and raised Sapphiron of the blue dragonflight without effort and that was when he was weakened and still an agent of the lich king, I'm sure he would have wasted the Twilight and the rest of Deathwings dragonflight. Deathwing might have been an issue to kill though but he might have had some sort of alliance with Arthas considering they both had designs which involved destroying all life on Azeroth. Worst comes to worst the Scourge could have just killed DW using the plague or an army of Frost Wyrms.
Oh yea! Lets not forget that he'd prob. kill the Dragonflights after raising Galakrond! (Or whatever that HUUUUUUUUGE Protodrake was named who was buried near the Wyrmrest Temple!
Nixx predicted Sylvannis's salt two years in advance.
I think you're underestimating Deathwing.
All shall burn!
Arthas might ressurect Galakrond(or what he is called) in that case.
sighman Useless, Galakrond died choking on a rock for crying out loud. Just a big lizard compared to the world-busting Deathwing.
Preaplanes who is basically a smaller lizard.
sighman Which is made of 5 Titan blessings and Old God corruption. I think the smaller lizard wins.
The lick king have won and start to take over the world, his true love Jaina will try to get an alliance and eventually they found a titan artifact that can turn Arthas back to human, there we have Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty XD
Linus Ji the lick king is arfus Not arthas
Elijah Bartl wtf
*T H E L I C K K I N G*
there must always be... *A LICK KING!*
Fah fes, fe floriose lick king
This is all wrong. Leeroy Jenkins would've raided Arthus's frostmourne and slay him with it.
Tommi Djur Leeroy during WOTLK: “Alright, chums. It’s back to this- LEEERRRRROOOOOY JEEEENKINSSSSSS”
What are you talking about he would wipe his entire party for chicken!
@@Jahades true
Holy shit 1st and good video Nixxiom
2nd troll here just got kicked out of trade
this was made way before battle for Azeroth, but he managed to predict sylvanas rigging the undercity to blow and be flooded with the plague so cudos to him for that
With classic wrath here I would like to see them build a wrath plus where the lich king did win, or at least somehow escapes and reestablished himself. He is the villain of wow and keeping him alive would bring wow back to its roots.
I would like to imagine that after the Lich King conquered Azeroth, he would find a way to invade other worlds to grow his undead army. After capturing so many worlds, Frostmourne would grow so powerful, that he may stand a chance against the Burning Legion.
What if hellacream win at ogrimmar?
Won*
What if the sentence you wrote didn't have typos in it? Would be great, wouldn't it?
+The Autistic Watermelon Yeah lol
World of Tentaclecraft
or they beat the legion? Only 1 person in legion is more powerful then the old gods, Sargareas and he cantm ake anyone so strong to beat old godmagic, so legion would crumble without Sargaeras destroying everyone alone.
While I did enjoy this video and the scenarios you laid out for how the Lich King would go about his counter force. I do feel like I have to mention in the event no one else has that the Lich King DID win. He won, he killed the raid and Tirion was helpless. It was literal again LITERAL divine intervention that he ultimately lost. But again, I did enjoy the video. Well done mate.
Nah, Garrosh would just use his secret weapon and defeat the Scourge AT ONCE. Garrosh FTW. Praise to almighty Garrosh.
Heh, Grettings.
+NataliaNeeSama hello
Diogo Almeida Astonishing!
And there I am...facing down Tirion Fordring alone... I have just enough gear to fight him one on one if I do not make any mistakes or draw the attention of his nearby minions. Out of know where comes an Orc Hunter who sees me locked in a battle that will decide the fact of the world. Orc hunter ganks me and basically hands Azeroth over to the Lich King.
Stupid Horde.
Goosh another amazing video, but there's a thing I'd like to mention. I think the Dragon Aspects would make a move after seeing the Scourge's vast expanse and the newfound power that entered Arthas' army (the ''champions'' & Fordring) and they'd try to put on a big fight and maybe ultimately win? Keep up the great work
But the one true King is Stannis Baratheon?
As the alliance and horde forces are being pushed back to the shores of northrend the mannis's forces arrive and stannis shatters Frostmourne with Lightbringer and kills the lich king.
Nonono, Ulfric Stormcloak is the one true king
I always thought it was Aragorn II, son of Arathorn.
+Whatthehenk TRAITOR!
We know no king but the king in the north whose name is Snow.
Just watced the "what if Arthas never purged stratholme" made by Hellscream
I loved both videos though
I was sceptical about this vid but it was actually really cool idea and well thought out. I especially liked the of Sylvanas rigging the Undercity and can definitely see her doing it
How about... what if as the younger sibling Arthas was actually second in line for the throne instead of first, never felt that sort of pressure to prove himself, remained a paladin, Calia was the one who became a death knight, Arthas helps Jaina in sailing to Kalimdor with Lordaeron's exiles, DK Calia decides to get to the Sunwell by water instead of plowing through Silvermoon, Sylvanas remains ranger-general and Anasterian remains king, when Illidan gives Anasterian one of his vials of eternity, Anasterian uses it to make a new sunwell like Dath'remar had...
what about the old gods? surely at some point in this timeline they would be free since with the death of the horde/alliance/etc. there woul be nobody left to keep them from freeing themselves just imagine how amazing the battle between the legion and old gods would be
the old gods were mainly a issue because of the planet was filled with mortals. those under the lich king's control were all but immune to the effects of old god whispers, the nightmare, and just about everything else. so the main power of the old gods would be nothing against the scourge. deathwing would fall against the other four aspects after being reanimated and the power of the scourge. would be one hell of a fight though.
+The Mirage Well remember how he wanted to reanimate galakrond into a giant and the most powerful frost wyrm? took 5 and also alot more combined forces of the dragonflights to bring down gala. imagine only one vs an empowered galakrond as frost wyrm. correct me if im wrong but i think this is why arthas set off his agents to reanimate galakrond. as the main weapon vs deathwing and also other dragonflights. and as for the old gods? he witnesed how these 25 heroes brought down yogg saron. imagine 25 empowered. the remaining old god influences would be not much of a problem. i think the lich king had a big plan under sleeve if he succeeded in claiming these 25 heroes for himself. including tirion and after him bolvar. after it tho.. another plan i believe would be made to withstand the legion. but just think all the lives he would empower after death: thrall, tyrande, garrosh, varian, vol'jin, malfurion and also discovering what lies beneath the broken isles as he would seek ways to defend and/or defeat or pushback the legion and every contact it has with azeroth. the lich king i believe had it all planned. but he couldnt predict the future in the way that tirion would manage to break free and shatter frostmourne in a single blow.
+ceiferthegamer Cant they just escape arthas? lets say.. refuge at caverns of time? after all arthas already had chosen his mightiest frost wyrm after sindragosa. galakrond.
Adi Stefani
the bronze would not let them near the cavern. they will protect it above all. to the point were they would likely abandon everyone else and bury the cavern. the old gods also cant go there since they are trapped. the cathraxi maybe but they would have a hard time getting past the bronze and maybe even the infinites. the infinites may have been made by the old gods, maybe, but they dont serve them so they may help the bronze fight against a common foe.
+ceiferthegamer Indeed. though since we are "what if"-ing then i supposed desperate times would require desperate measures to survive and convince them. but since caverns is a no go for certain then the tolviron at uldum. or maybe an accidental rediscovery of pandaria as was accidentally rediscovered and seek refuge there. just any means to go as far from northrend and eastern kingdoms as possible.
0:14 You got it right. There are 25 RANDOM heroes and ONLY ONE Lich King :)
Actually I'd love for there to be that sort of version of WoW where a villain (the Lich King in this case) won and the Legion invaded. And instead of Horde and Alliance factions, there's Scourge and Legion factions.
Or maybe even a Warcraft RTS game of alternate possibilities?
+Bernardo Apv that would be awesome and I prefer the RTS but someone has got to make that!
Don't forget Deathwing, he would be another problem lol.
Deathsworn Plays EVEN BETTER THEN! SCOURGE VS OLD GODS!
Or maybe they'd ally?
I bet they would to get rid of Deathwing since he wants to blow up Azeroth. xD
Here's a much more intriguing subject that nerfy fanfiction writers such as myself would probably enjoy: "What if all of the expansions happened at the same time?"
Arthas would help with the Burning legion, People would keep getting Outland and Dranor confused. And Deathwing would be killing whatever he saw demon or otherwise. And the whole time all the brave adventurers would be playing pokemon go on pandara
*dwarf voice* We're fucked!
+Aronson1000 Ahahahaha!
+Aronson1000 would this include the time when the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj opened up? Cuz damn...Azeroth is COMPLETELY screwed O_O
Holy shit. Burning legion vs Old gods
Don't forget he'd raise Galakrond the father of dragons, probably ensuring his victory much faster. Also, I feel that if the Legion invaded they might offer him to join them, and then he'd spread Undeath across the stars...
Reading this 2 years later... Turns out the "Lich King" did win lmao.
Looks like Blizzard watched this video before making the BfL event. 8:45
Good stuff!
I like to think that the Scourge would have the advantage against the Legion of being like a hive-mind. The only real disadvantage being you can't really raise demons into undeath...but, at this point their forces would be so vast it would be difficult for the Legion to even gain a foothold before being washed over by every living thing in Azeroth. Unless, of course, the Legion could wrest control over parts of the scourge from the Lich King, I don't think they'd stand a chance.
Probably, the Old Gods might have even welcomed the Scourge, due to their similar goals. Maybe the Lich King might have become a sort of Old God himself...maybe that is still his goal (?!) Old Gods and the Scourge would have been pretty tough for the Legion to beat if they were in cahoots.
Then world of warcraft would be fun.
ikr
Yup
So edgy xD
true.
Pretty fun right now
Predicted new hearthstone expansion
Ben Pederson and lich king is the most useless card gg. It's stupid that any spell can affect the mighty lich king. Like rogue's assasination spell, then Lich King will be ded...
@@adellys4920 An 8/8 with taunt that gives you more cards isn't useless just because you can remove it with spells. It is a powerful card and you shouldn't be throwing all your big guys out if the opponent hasn't used any removal spells.
been dying to see a video about this for the longest time. thank you so much
Really wish there was more to the story of Jaina Proudmoore an Arthas/Lich King
I've always been curious about Arthas if he had killed both himself as a little boy and ner'zhul's soul inside of frostmourne wouldn't Arthas soul be stuck inside of the frostmourne even though we killed him an Bolvar now wears the helm of domination an frostmourne
Arthas' soul was already taken once he claimed the runeblade. I think it was said in Warcraft 3 by Tichondrius
and once frostmourne was destroyed, Arthas's soul was released and that was when the real arthas was back and died
Uh...dude it was the SAME Story as in WC3 just with some BG Information. o.O Whats your Problem. It ends like it should and sets up WotLk.
@@williambatman4522
If i recall, Arthas the Death Knight as a soulless being used Arthas the Paladin's personality as a base template, with the morality dialed to "evil". As a result, several little aspects of the old Arthas lingered so that Death Knight Arthas wouldn't just be a mindless zombie, resulting in his tendency to say sarcastic quips throughout the WC3 campaigns and his rage fit in the book when Kael counter-taunted him about Jaina. So while Arthas may have had his soul taken by Frostmourne, in his place was what was essentially and evil clone occupying his body, which kind of did develop his own traces of an identity.
@@joshuakim5240 Yeahh thats sort of what i meant in a way. The 'evil' in him is gone after Frostmourne was destroyed
Great vid m8 gj...but the scourge will ultimately be defeated cause you forgot about Pandas. Yes PANDAS!. World of Warcraft: The Fury of the Fur lol
Yeah.. No doubt arthas would sicken and die...killed dead by FUR POWER...the dreaded Panda Pikachu Cuteness. Bleccchhh :(
Ithila lol
In all seriousness, I would be curious what the interaction of Arthas and the Scourge would be with the Sha. This is assuming they even survived the Cataclysm.
Eucep ye. Could make for some interesting alternate universe novelas
Deathwing can just step on ICC and destroy it he was just weaken and he waited for his power to come back
Dude! You said exactly what she did it in Battle for Azeroth! Undercity flooded with gas! Way to go!!
What if Illidna had dodged that attack from arthas, allowing him to defeat the fallen prince ?
That... would have been very bad.
What makes you say that?
+Flopshel John because there wouldnt be lihking and wow would never be populr
cause Illidan was under the service of legion at that time, if he would win, legion would reward him and kael'thas as well as the nagas instead of being forced to fight them in the outland. that would mean a clear victory for kil'jaden over azeroth since lich king was a major threat to legion at the time.
No chance for Illidan to win even if he has been avoided that attack from Arthas because Arthas has been empowered with almost all the power of the Lich King
This is SO much more epic than current WoW
True
More epic than being the last standing planet in a battle against an infinite enemy? If you say so.
+Dana Black Yes actually.It would be more fun because of the twist
there is no fun in a pointless battle that will surely end in a defeat against the legion....
+Jody Boles But until the arrival of the Legion it would be an epic battle for survival as death itself comes to claim the land
Lmao I love that this video basically called Sylvannus rigging Lordaeron to be filled with the gas >w>
If the lich king had won I wouldn't of had to grind invincible for a year and a half
Imagine if he allowed humans to live to reproduce and train as paladins. Then he could just harvest them.
Holy shit. That was so good. I'm blown away honestly
Interesting to think how the battle between Scourge and Deathwing would be like if Arthas won...
from fan of korea
Hellscream just made a video about "alternate wow"
good for him
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's just a coincidence; I put this video out 3 days ago. It takes days to do the research not to mention writing the script and then actually recording the audio and editing down the content. It's just witchcraft that both he and I put out the similar type of video in the same week
+Hellscream thx for being a good person and clarifying
Hellscream You're a good man
The Old Gods take over the planet because Arthas sets them free with the help of Deathwing, as a final efford to stop The Burning legion, and then there will be the biggest war ever: The Scourge and The Old Gods (including Deathwing) versus The Burning legion.
I think this alternate reality would be great for a WoW 2 :P
sounds like the azeroth equivalent to hell
What about Galakrond? The Lich King planned to raise him as an undead. If he succeeded, there was no hope for Azeroth, as the four Dragon aspects as well as the power of the titans were required to take him down.
They didnt take him down, they used a trick and flew a big rock down his throat. He chocked to death in the end because he couldn't breath, not because of any external damage or magic...
The project was interrupted though. And only he knows how long that ritual has been going on. He also lost a bunch of talented necromancers in the northrend campaign, aswell as the flesh giants that helped reanimate the dragon.
The risen heroes:
"so are we dead now ? Is Azeroth ruined ?"
"i think so, but whatever, this is just a game and i think seeing Azeroth fall would be enjoyable"
"traps are not gay"
"so if i go to goldshire, will it be necrophilia ?"
.....
etc. :D
but what if the alliance destroyed the bridge from Arathi to Wetlands, effectively splitting the Eastern Kingdoms in two? Arthas would have a hard time rooting out the dwarves and humans.
Necropolis solve that problem, along with undead mages ect.
What if Illidan had won his battle against Arthas?
illidan the lich king
rip all
The helm of Domination would be destroyed, the scourge would become the mindless horde it is today and Illidan would've gone to Outland. Nothing would've changed, but Kiljaeden be a bit happier!
Well, the scourge isnt a mindless horde in the current wow time, the scourge sits idle as Bolvar Fordragon, the current lich king is in ice. So that part change.
Marcus Lübcke He doesn't exactly controls them, he just prevents them from forming a new Scourge.
I really like this different spin on theory-crafting. Loving the format, keep making these please. :)
9:40 or she will just scream and fly away.....
I don't believe the Burning Legion could stand against the Scourge if Arthas is able to reanimate deceased demons like he can with other enemies.
If Arthas could reanimate Pit Lords and Dread Lords and bind them to his will, the war against the Legion would eventually turn in favor the Scourge as the Legion ends up battling scores of it's own fallen army.
That's my opinion anyway. Mind you, if I was Bolvar (the new Lich King) I would bring the full might of the Scourge to bear against the Legion on the Broken Isle.
There may be an issue with that because the demons don't actually "die" when on Azeroth. Their soul goes to the twisting nether. Not sure but I would bet this makes it impossible to reanimate demons. I would say that Ner'zhul is intimately familiar with the Legion's power and reach though. The entire time the LK would be taking over Azeroth, he would also be planning for the Legion. Perhaps something akin to Illidan's plan to invade Legion worlds.
if I remember corectly,only the Dreadlords go back to the Twisting Nether when they are defeated so it might be a chance for Ner'Zhul to resist The Legion.
@@ivanrazvan8099 Nah. All demon souls go back to the Nether when killed (barring some exceptions due to outside influence). This is why warlocks always summon the same demon back after dismissal.
@@chrisseger2346 I believe that with time, the Lich King would learn how to absorb demon souls before they can go back to the Twisting Nether, trapping them within Frostmourne, and re-animating the demons. It just depends on how long it takes him to perfect the procedure.
@@radicallarrythemailman8269 If he could have, I think he already would have. It would have made his army literally limitless, so I get the feeling that if he thought it were possible, he would have made every attempt to make it happen already.
Here's an interesting "what if?" for you.
What if WotLK did end with us losing (a failure at the end of the expac, like Nixxiom suggested), and the Scourge became a 3rd faction? Players could've chosen to be evil, and still have to deal with Deathwing coming back.
The Horde and Ally would have to deal with the Scourge, and Deathwing at the same time.
Personally, I fucking love the idea of them adding a 3rd faction that are unquestionably bad guys.
A scourge faction would be perfect. They could have a Lich, Val'kyr, deathknight (obviously), and some other classes specific to that faction.
Just some interesting ideas...
then the only classes in wow would be DK and Necromancer
Caleb Perez Necromancer =unholy dk
maybe some warlocks and demons hunters hiding some where in the world too