Three Alternate Timelines: Worlds That Didn't Make the Cut
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2018
- Alternate history is full of good ideas. Some ideas simply don't work out.They aren't solid enough to be videos on their own. I wanted to talk about some anyway, so here is just three alternate timelines I couldn't talk about before.
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Real Synth Music 2- Stefan Netsman
Sorry for the delay everybody. The holidays, personal things and rewrites really threw my schedule off. Hopefully these three scenarios at least make up for that time! Looking forward to 2018!
very informative and engaging video. :) well done
Do you plan on doing another video of audience submitted alternate history scenarios?
Perfect
Great things are worth waiting for my dude, great video and looking forward to more
AlternateHistoryHub here an idea what if Hillary Clinton won the election
* Says that the Atlantropa Project didn't deserve a video *
* Writes a book about it *
Løl
Money money money
Becky wont be buying that book.
Oh yeah yeah
Literally here to make the same comment
It's kinda ridiculous that a video can get demonetized just for mentioning Hitler. especially when it's done in an academic sense. UA-cam needs to pull their heads out of their asses with this stuff
did they really do that? Do you have any articles or info?
They really fucking did that? Oh for FUCKS SAKE UA-cam! Fucking hell
Remember history is bad lol
I think he just did that as a joke, a sort of poking fun at youtube for their strict demonetization rules. I'd be rather disappointed (but not surprised) if what he said actually is true.
1:11 literally pulling it straight from what he put in the video
Atlantropa: Let's drain the sea in order to open up more farmland!
The USSR, looking at the Aral Sea: *Write that down! Write that down!*
Then they both fail
The Aral Sea drained because the Soviets rerouted the river that sources the sea. Which they used for farming cotton.
Soviets were a big meanie for kazakhs
The Soviets also wanted to redirect Northern and Siberian rivers to irrigate Central Asia as part of Great Stalin Plan to Remodel Nature.
@@orangehaze74
"Comrade Stalin, the Aral Sea's drying up."
"But we have cotton."
"And all the water rerouting the fields to grow cotton is disappearing fast!"
"But we have cotton."
"And this drying up of the Aral is causing severe damage to the environment."
"But we have cotton."
"...including the cotton."
"Oh crap..." (either this or gulag for the man who is questioning Stalin)
Cody: “Everyone knows who hodor is”
Me: “who’s hodor?”
Who's Hitler?
@@desertranger3199 Hodor
Hodor is from Game of Thrones
@@guardianbo wait Hitler's in Game of Thrones?
@@SirTorcharite plot twist hapens in the season final
Guess the alantropa one turned out to be more fun than he thought lol
Ari Abramovsky it’s spelled atlantropa
Thing is, if it's only dams holding water back... If it turned out badly and europe was suffering, in theory they could destroy the dams. Plus the rivers have to go somewhere, the nile at least would create a sea north of Egypt no matter how hard we tried to keep it dry
@@DavidLopez-pc7yg What about it? Your comment has nothing to do with what I said... ?
@@liamwalton4183 oh shit wrong thread
Personally, I don't think Atlantropia would go as badly as in the video. Instead, the area between Sicily and Turkey would remain a sea, and France, Spain, Italy, Morocco, etc. would get a bunch of useless land. I'd like to think Italy would survive, but the western areas would be toast.
What if Emperor Palpatine didn’t invade America in 2099.
Yes. Just everything about this short sentence. For the love of God make this a thing.
The Death Star would never blow up
That's impossible, we have the high ground.
Phobos Anomaly *YOU WENT TOO FAR*
Cley FullAnime
WHAT?
Scenario 5. What if all 3 scenarios were to happen in the same timeline? Now that would definitely be a truly unique world.
ethiopia might have a larger empire in central africa due to the fall of europe, and the rest would pretty much be what he said
Ethiopia becomes the dominant power in the Eastern hemisphere after Europe collapses. Deseret secedes from the Union due to America being very unstable due to global economic collapse and the influx of millions of refugees from europe, than becomes a rival power on the American continent.
As someone who’s lived their entire life in Utah, the idea of it being bigger sends shivers down my spine.
HORRIFYING! Utah County? But more?😬😬😬
Deseret nation
There’s too much Utah as it is
I want to move to Utah, that's a dope state.
Too real
I like the Industrialized Ethiopia trailer, but when does the full video come out?
December 32nd, 2077
6/9/2069
fr tho we've been waiting too long now for something small like that
Not sure if this is sarcasm or an actual question....he mentioned in the beginning of the video that these ideas won't get full videos due to the reasons he gave after each one.
February 31
What if our timeline is just an another alternate timeline that another Cody is making a video on
Slavic Cat You mean multiverse theory?
*Kevin
Slavic Cat woah......
I don't want to be his puppet...
Illuminati Confirmed Song.... XD
There is another thing to take note about the Atlantropa project:
What if the dams burst?
To be fair, in order for the plan to work in the first place, these dams would have to be absolutely massive compared to modern dams
In Ukraine right now, there are some dams being targeted constantly with artillery and still won’t blow up. It would take a fuck ton of bombers to put a dent in a dam stretching from Gibraltar to Africa
@@thefirstcrusade1909 On the other hand you only need a small hole and the water will do the rest for you.
Unless it was done on purpose by someone, say for example, in the timeline that the US still goes to war with Japan and drops the a bombs. What if in an attempt to bring life back into the abandoned continent of Europe, like the US and remnants of the European powers attempted to use bombs, used on Japan, to burst it?
"BREAKING NEWS: humongous dam busts a nut and causes Europe to implode in on itself"
@@thefirstcrusade1909 RIP Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric Dam
You’ve got to remember that Italy was not very industrialised either so Ethiopia could very well win the second Italo-Ethiopian war
gas.
@@justcarterr well if ethiopia industrialized they could still make an airforce and don't forget that ethiopian is very mountainous. The Italians would struggle to move through which would give the ethiopind a chance to push the italians out and into their colonies
@@EthiotendoEditswe had Alpine troopers that were trained fight in the mountains
You guys are underestimating Italian soldiers and not bad mouth the Italian generals who command over them
@@TheWizardDudeguy they did kind of lose in the first war tho
One man's utopia is everyone else's dystopia
wow you are almost smart enough to become an assistant garbage man intern
Well, other men shouldn't be followers. Go make their own utopias, the more utopias, the more peace there'd be. One utopia would cause u rest/jealously everywhere there isn't one.
Utopia? More like Mytopia
@@Mr3344555 so basically the current world?
@@austrone8586 no, the current world there are no Utopias. What world do you live in that idk about Utopias? Haha
The fact that you call him Hodor is legendary
It’s hitler but youtube will demonetize him if he says that
EmperorJuliusCaesar people outside the U.S should especially know who Hoder was
EmperorJuliusCaesar it’s a game of thrones character
EmperorJuliusCaesar
Found the smooth-brained Reddit Atheist
Can we stop pretending that atheism is the big thing that Reddit promotes? Reddit is advocating for a communist takeover of the world, and a bloody revolution, that sshite should be our main concern.
"We already have that. Its called Utah!"
😂😂😂😂
Baron Von Mott Lol yep. I live there
Jonathan Owens same
I live in St George and Summer is literally hell on earth.(Protect me lord.)
@@matthewbrummund5877 Hey dipshit you know southern Utah and Arizona have the same climate right? You aren't fucking special.
@@matthewbrummund5877 literally the same desert
Why does Alantropa sound like a cool fallout/STALKER style game?
Dominic Rojas the game would be played in southern europe or near the Mediterranean
not to be rude, but the spelling is atlantropa
Tommy Pearcy nah, you're less rude than the second comment above you
@@vitolopoii7981
Calm down senõr
It would create real hunger games
Young: We have a new state to propose!
USA: What it called?
Young: Deseret
USA: What is it?
Young: SUPER UTAH!!!!
Gabe Vanderlaan, you are now being tracked by all countries which border the Mediterranean. AKA more than 5 countries including France.
Lol
USA: Nah
Young: Baby Desseret???
USA:Call it Utah and we're good
The Book of Mormon is literally my favorite!
Supposedly I'm A Direct Descendant Of Him
Atlantropa:
Imagine the Battle of Hoover Dam...
Cofe cofe
Well the house always wins
But in my world, it’s Caesar’s legion that always wins
MAILMAN MOMENT MAILMAN MOMENT
Fallout New Vegas Atlantropa edition
Honestly thanks for looking into the deseret thing. I'm LDS and whenever people ask me about it, it's kinda difficult to explain that it would've basically been utah except bigger. They can't grasp the idea that LDS people did not want to secede from the union. I feel like you put it in a really easy to understand way.
Fr the beginning of the segment made it sound like we were tyrannical or something😭 like, the church gets a lot of slack for being too “American exceptionalist” and they think we’d wanna split from the Union like the slave states?? Utah itself is one of the most Union friendly states in the country, anyone that thinks we’d be this rebel dictatorship if we had so much land must not know much about the churches values
How bout a scenario were the false alarm in Hawaii was true
Hypertomato that’s getting to alternate future
Alternate present.
Too close to the present for predictions I guess. He couldn't weave in other events because they didn't happen yet, like a (theoretically) possible reunification of Korea.
Would be pretty cool to see Cody do a video about recent events. Maybe like this one, with 3 shorter stories.
I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME
What if Harold Godwinson beat William the Conqueror?
Edit: Or Harald Hardrada winning
Yes then the UK would never go on to have an empire. France would have been the force
Or Harald Hardrada beat both
Sir Nils Olav that would be interesting
Sir Nils Olav, great idea, I’ve just updated it :)
Duke William originally intended to invade earlier in the year (I think it was August), but he was unable to due to strong winds in the English Channel. What if those winds weren't there and William invaded when he originally intended? Could he have beaten the English if they were at full strength (the Battle of Hastings took place less than a month after the Battle of Stamford Bridge, and the English were significantly weaker for it)? What would happen when the Vikings invaded less than a month after this alternate Hastings? Who would be the king of England? How would that have impacted human history? It's strange to think how much the wind impacted global history. I would be really interested in a video about this.
Atlantropa wouldn't allow more water to evaporate than makes sense. These dams will allow for water to come in at whatever level necessary.
Cleaning up the salt will take some time but it's not impossible especially if you have unlimited electrical power.
well, assuming we could store said infinite electricity in the 1930s
and as for makes sense, the world freaks out over the sea level rising less than a foot each year irl, take that but in reverse and in the 1930s
The Mediterranean evaporate more water than it inflows. See the paragraph from Wikipedia below. This means we can continually generate electricity. Dams are really good at water level control. So we can let in as much water as needed to achieve our goals
Geological evidence indicates that around 5.9 million years ago, the Mediterranean was cut off from the Atlantic and was partly or completely desiccated over a period of some 600,000 years (the Messinian salinity crisis) before being refilled by the Zanclean flood about 5.3 million years ago.
@@vessbakalov4090
Continually? what, we're going to attach massive wires to machines to have them powered all the time for clearing the salt and then tie them to planes and trains and even more machines for extracting, refining, transporting and then infusing the soil with unholy amounts of nutrients in the 1930s?
Or use gigantic batteries from limited light metals in the 1930s?
If production was the energy crisis' only factor we'd be going full clean by now, You can't store hydropower and even transfer it for long distances without consuming even more materials for cables and batteries.
And as for your stuff on the Mediterranean you're forgetting the Human element, which didn't exist then but totally would in the 1930s.
A hotter europe leading to crop failures alone could spark insurrection.
What i meant by my original comment is that even today a small change in water affects Humans the world over, in regards to the Atlantropa project there is no such thing as "a reasonable amount" without abandoning the point and purpose of Atlantropa, assuming people in the 1930s would even be developed enough to know how much "a reasonable amount" is.
I guess you are forgeting a "tiny problem": In Majorca there already a problem with the salt entering the phreatic zone due to too much extraction of water from it. And it has the rain to stop it. Now imagine a soil that has been millions of years underwater.
these 3 timelines: *exist*
history: *Unfortunately, history won't see it that way.*
You right...
Thank Christ for no giant Utah.
big, ultra republican, ultra religious, nice scenery.
Sounds like texas with extra steps.
well maybe the alantica one but ok
@@grayfox6930 actually idk about the other 2 but a scenario of ethiopias Industriailizat8on would work
I'm surprised you didn't add "What if the nationalists won the Chinese Civil War?" to this video cause it doesn't look like that scenario is coming anytime soon...
I would LOVE that video
Yeah but it would actually make a good video on its own.
These are things that he didn't want to, or just couldn't make a whole video on.
it was in one of the alternate countries videos.
Then there’s a chance that north korea might not exist today
420 likes MOM GET THE CAMERA!!
The Atlantropa Project: Team Magma for adults!
I knew someone was gonna make that joke.
Holy shit youre right
* snorts out apple cider *
m.ua-cam.com/video/GBjbAlDcKGo/v-deo.html
Bradley Pearl that’s team aqua not magma
I appreciate you adding the photographs of the World Columbian Exposition of 1893 in Chicago for the Atlantropa bit, easily one of the most magnificent and overlooked site in history.
Sadly famously used for an ancient aliens conspiracy theory.
This video made me realize how long I’ve been watching you, I remember when you made a community post teasing this video asking people to guess it based on the thumbnail. I realized that even 4 years ago you were in my feed and have been none stop. I just wanted to say its been beautiful watching you & your channel grown. Thank you Cody for the hours of interesting thoughts and entertainment
Atlantropa project:
Three nukes and you have a biblical-style flood.
Maybe even a few well-placed JDAMs, probably even easier to knock these dams down.
Or just create the world's most powerful bunker buster.
You watch RealLifeLore. I know this because I do too.
hell, you wouldn't even need nukes. a ton of conventional bombs would just as easily do the trick.
Maybe Norks could have did that
7:18 that went dark
Cley FullAnime honestly it would make a good backstory to a post apocalyptic video game, movie,book, or comic
brushwaterkhan agreed
Title- Humanitarian Disaster. It could work as a Game or Movie Title
Why do you care Zamasu? wouldn't it make your genocide more fun
brushwaterkhan Definitely, I can just imagine the famous landmarks of Southern Europe covered in sand, it would be awesome for a game
Other than misrepresenting Latter-day Saints as being merely missionaries, I think your assessment of the alternate scenario is a realistic one. Unless the government was more hostile to early Utah, they probably wouldn't have left the union. They loved the constitution, but they were very repulsed with how well it was enforced.
If Deseret became a state, I see some additional effects, mainly, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a much more significant impact on the broader US population.
Covering such a large area, and having so much economic power, the church's influence would be much stronger, and likely grow much more.
However, it is hard to say if this would be the case, as it would be harder for Utah to continue to practice plural marriage (though as a state they would have protections they didn't in our time.)
Plural marriage may have gone on for longer with the state protection, or shorter with higher profile.
I think that with the significantly higher population and economy though, that Latter-day Saints would be more understood than they are today.
This video is an example of the little things that people do not understand about Utah and the church. In the alternate timeline, I think the church would be much less mysterious to the nation.
There's so much give and take in this alternate timeline. I really think it's just a differing flavor of reality. Latter-day Saints have a greater impact than you may realize. When you look at well known Latter-day Saints, you will find many people in many different fields.
We haven't had a Latter-day Saint president, but I think that it's not to crazy to predict we might have one in the future.
We better not
Well for starters we definitely would have had one by now. With the amount of electoral votes Deseret would have it would’ve turned 2012 into a landslide
Alantropa: the extra land wouldn't be worth the loss of fishing and shipping. And who knows what it would do to the Mediterranean climate.
two years late but most of us prob knows what'd happen to Mediterranean like this vid mentioned. desertifcation. Loads of Desertfication.
@@whafflete6721 I watch another video on it, apparently there’s not even enough cement in the world to be able to make the dams either
@@whafflete6721 We do know, fairly well, since it's essentially happened before in prehistory.
"Only the inflow of Atlantic water maintains the present Mediterranean level. When that was shut off sometime between 6.5 to 6 MYBP, net evaporative loss set in at the rate of around 3,300 cubic kilometers yearly. At that rate, the 3.7 million cubic kilometres of water in the basin would dry up in scarcely more than a thousand years, leaving an extensive layer of salt some tens of meters thick and raising global sea level about 12 meters."
"In the empty Mediterranean Basin, the summertime temperatures would probably have been extremely high. As a first approximation, using the dry adiabatic lapse rate of around 10 °C (18 °F) per kilometer, the maximum possible temperature of an area 4 km (2.5 mi) below sea level would be about 40 °C (72 °F) warmer than it would be at sea level. Under this extreme assumption, maxima could be near 80 °C (176 °F) at the lowest points of the dry abyssal plain, permitting no permanent life but extremophiles. Further, the altitude 3-5 km (2-3 mi) below sea level would result in 1.45 to 1.71 atm (1102 to 1300 mmHg) air pressure, further increasing heat stress.
"However, these simple estimates are likely far too extreme. Murphy et al.'s 2009 general circulation model experiments showed that for completely desiccated conditions, the Mediterranean basin would warm by up to 15 °C (27 °F) in summer and 4 °C (7.2 °F) in winter, while for a depressed water surface (i.e, an Atlantropa scenario), temperatures would warm by only about 4 °C (7.2 °F) in summer and 5 °C (9.0 °F) in winter (i.e, c. twice the severity of the worst-case doomsday scenario for man-made global warming over the course of the next century IRL- in the space of no more than 5-10yrs).
In addition, the model results indicated global stationary wave response to the introduction of the topographic depression causes patters of warming and cooling by up to 4 °C (7.2 °F) around the entirety of the Northern Hemisphere. Today the evaporation from the Mediterranean Sea supplies moisture that falls in frontal storms, but without such moisture, the Mediterranean climate that we associate with Italy, Greece, and the Levant would be limited to the Iberian Peninsula and the western Maghreb. Climates throughout the central and eastern basin of the Mediterranean and surrounding regions to the north and east would have been far drier even above modern sea level. The eastern Alps, the Balkans, and the Hungarian plain would also be much drier than they are today, even if the westerlies prevailed as they do now."
What if alexander the great didn't die in his 30s?
ua-cam.com/video/wucKb4iIa9U/v-deo.html
What if Alexander "the great" was historical accurate?
I know, I'll get becky an alternate history scenario, bitches love alternate history scenarios!
It’s unfortunate that great content creators such as you have to limit themselves to what people want and care about and therefore reduce the amount of amazing content you could create. Anyway, good video.
Lotta beckys in the comments who missed the point on the Atlantropa part
He didnt say it was boring, he said its highly implausible
Just imagine all the history that would unveiled by the draining Mediterranean
"A soul for a soul."
A cheeseburger for a cheeseburger
LET US FIND THIS FABLED "KEVIN"
KEEVIN
Oof ! Watch the whole video
i think its the author of Vsauce2 (or vsauce 3, i cant remember)
Im Kevin
Kevin Ortega YEA!! Cool maybe Do you Know the Source of the Nile as WELL!
LOL👳💖
I repeated "You people never let me forget about it. I have regretted it ever since" Haha !!!
May I ask what video/moment he was refering to? I'm guessing he made a historical error regarding Japans development, but I'd like to know the full detail.
Edward Hoptrough Alternate Countries in his channels try finding it !!!
9:09 "It's almost like fiction."
And just like that, Cody had a brilliant idea.
Yo that last scenario was so deep man I love your research on these WILD SCENARIOS!
2:00
9:33
13:08
Forgot the one with Cody uploading on time
Respectfully, I think you’re a bit off about Ethiopia. Other than a disastrous political ploy by Emperor Tewodros in 1866, the Ethiopian Empire had a pretty good relationship with the British Empire. Emperor Haile Selassie even visited the UK and King George V gave him the crown back himself.
Ethiopia already destroyed the Italians at the Battle of Adwa. Italy only won in 1935-1936 due to airpower and the use of chemical weapons... And yet they still struggled. Just my thoughts.
Cheers
ManUtdDenBronx everyone ingores the Russian advisors helping Menelenk at Adwa.
I had the same thoughts. Ethiopia in OTL was not an industrialized, modern nation. I don't see how Italy would of fared well against a industrialized Ethiopia, when the record of Italians against industrial nations was not good.
TBH, it seemed like Cody didn't even want to talk about it. I mean he could've dedicated a whole video to the concept of a industrialized Ethiopia but instead he only briefly touched on it.
Part of the reason that Ethiopia was able to defend itself so well against the Italians is the fact that Ethiopia is one of the craggiest, most uneven mountainous countries in the world. Technologically, Ethiopia couldn't hold a candle to Italy. The country was still heavily divided along tribal lines and had very little sense of stability. The only reason the country didn't fall sooner is because of how difficult it was for the Italians to invade, take and hold such difficult terrain.
Not to take away from Ethiopia's achievements at all, of course. Haile Selassie was a great Emperor and statesman, but the nation itself has always been in a very precarious situation. With dozens of ethnic groups and such hostile environment, modernisation (by late 19th/early 20th century standards) would have been next to impossible on any sort of nation-wide scale without a massive deal of intervention and help from the Western powers (who would be very uninterested in making such an investment into Ethiopia while still letting the country remain independent).
Billie Spalding are you talking about Ethiopia or Afghanistan?
This is really cool, you should make more videos like this one. Even though some of the scenarios were "boring" the face that they're boring is still pretty exciting
the thought of what atlantropia would have done would have been horrifying to think of
What if fat man and little boy were used on Germany instead of Japan
No one would say that Hitler dont died.
Darth Vader oh someone would....
someone would.
What if they hadn't been used on Japan (instead keeping up the firebombing which was just as lethal) and they were instead used on the Soviet union when Stalin invades the rest of Europe after WW2?
Um Freedom Fighters (2003)
Godzilla would wear lederhosen.
What if Emperor Constantine didn't choose Christianity as the Empire's state religion?
Diggi And here we go. Some edgy person's got to make a comment saying the world would be better without religion
Islam as the main religion good God.
2020: EU: pshhh watch me try.
ValkyrieXRAY
This is true fuck religion Atheisn will rise
yeah you would just be wasting brain cells trying to talk to these actual Nazis
Diggi No true Scotsman fallacy right there.
I gotta say, the way you talk and your voice are perfect for these vídeos! And the contents, of course! Keep doing it!
I enjoy your videos immensely.They're imaginative,entertaining informative,and...funny.
The Ethiopia thing could be Wakanda, though it wouldn't be as rich..
Any country adopting American Capitalism will become as rich as the United states of they stick to it like we have for 2 hundred years.
@@Captain-Nomad It'd be cool if ethiopia maintaned an effective capatalist goverment while being just conscientous enough to care abt climate change and wealth disparity.
@@Lloyd_lyle Ethiopia tried Communism for a bit. It didn't turn out too well. They are better now. (A Bit)
Lmao
@@Captain-Nomad no begone capitalist
Hmmm... I see you changed your clothing, Cody.
Leader of Magikarp Church maaaaybe its an alternate universe!
Like Kevin?
because of that sweet sweet youtube money's he gets
He put a jacket on, you can see the green of the old one.
Ah, yes, the most known body in ww2, Rudolph Hodor
The Phillip K Dick Novel " The man in the high castle". Very briefly touched on this idea.
Eh I’ve found “The Man in the High Castle” to be rather inaccurate and, while pretty well written, to have a very big generalization of what the Nazis wanted.
inaccurate? It’s fiction.
Yay for Cody not being dead!
poor becky
JohnHenry Jr Hodor?
It's like that one video Yahtzee Croshaw did where he pointed at the viewer while saying "ADRIAN!", then admitted it was worth it to freak out all the Adrians.
first time one of my comments broke 50 posted this this morning God damn
“That’s just depressing, nobody wants to see Ethiopia lose.”
The Italians:
Ethiopia wouldn't lose
Comment section: *moves*
My muscle memory: "am I a joke to you?"
I like you profile pic. Karaoke Gohan
@@bluebomb2047 I love people that point at the names and profile pics, because I usually never notice them.
Who is Karaoke Gohan and why isn’t he a meme yet
@@oh.hey.2045 It's Jason's profile pic. It's a card from DBZ: Dokkan Battle. But, if you look a little closer, it looks like Gohan is singing into a karaoke mic
Doesn’t make a video about Atlantropa
But makes a book
🧐
AlternateHistoryHub >>> PornHub
Let’s not get carried away here.
Agreed
stop making things gross
Lair
Battlefield 1>>> COD WW2
You know I always like your videos! But don't deny yourself you're a good person and you make fun videos that I actually like to watch! So keep up on your end.
First video I’ve watched and I’m hooked. Got a new fav channel...
I'm Mormon and I thought that the Deseret part was really well thought out and funny, I'm glad that you did actual research and we're not biased.Thank you so much
We indeed do exist!
I was raised Mormon and though I don’t follow the religion anymore, I definitely agree! Although I can’t say I see a huge difference between the idea of Deseret and fundamentalists breaking off from the rest of the religion to create their own small commune thing.
Isn’t that just a smaller version of the same vision?
My haircut isn’t bland!!!! Instant dislike!!!! (Jk love this vid)
Damian Maddox I’m a black Mormon it’s crazy
can you confirm or deny that you always wear ties?
Really, no idea for the Ethiopian Empire?
Ethiopia begins modernization in 1875 under its new king Yohannes IV. Yohannes had won the throne shortly before (1872), largely thanks to modern weaponry given to him by the British and is still deeply impressed by its effectiveness. He aims to establish his own weapon industry.
He invites German military advisors into the country to help modernize the army. The German mission is finally withdrawn in 1882 as part of the Triple Alliance pact, but has provided a wealth of knowledge and technology. With their improved military, Yohannes IV wins a decisive victory at Gallabat (March 1889) against recently independent Sudan, but succumbs to wounds suffered in the battle during his way back to the capital.
His successor Menelik II still signs over Eritrea to the Italians in the treaty of Wuchale (May 1889), but instead of rifles and ammunition he buys machines and mechanical parts to improve and expand Ethiopia's own fledgling weapons industry. Meanwhile the Russian Empire had also been supporting Ethiopia with weapons as well as tools and machines to keep the Orthodox Christian nation out of Roman Catholic respective Muslim hands.
Strengthened by their slow but continuous industrialization, Ethiopia wins a resounding victory during the Italo-Ethiopian War (1894-1896). Negotiating from a great position of strength Menelik II re-annexes Eritrea and forces Italy to completely renounce the treaty of Wuchale. Ethiopia also annexes Italian Somaliland.
Treaties are drawn with France and Great Britain to prevent colonial support for an Italian re-conquest. Menelik II threatens both nations during the secret negotiations to ally with the respective rival and to seize all their assets in his country if his territorial gains are not recognized. Given that both French and British industrialists have been building railways and establishing mines in Ethiopia, both countries withdraw their support for Italy. The following years are spent by Menelik to achieve actual control over the nominally owned territories and to subjugate the Oromo people that split his territories in half. What could have become Italian East-Africa is now known as the Ethiopian Empire.
The reign of uncrowned child emperor Iyasu V beginning in 1913 was troublesome, but modernization continued. He barely avoided a coup in 1916, being forced to promise to never convert to Islam. The situation in Ethiopia barely contained, Iyasu thought to unite the nobles by joining the central powers and taking Somaliland from the French and British to unite the horn of Africa under his control, as well as annexing Sudan. Iyasu was assassinated shortly after his declaration of war against France and Great Britain and was succeeded by Tafari Makonnen (Haile Selassie I). Selassie was a much more cautious king, but with the whole country enraged and territories for the taking, the Ethiopian army marched into the colonial Somaliland, while seizing all remaining Italian, French and British assets throughout the country.
With Ethiopia a member of the Central Powers, the Ententé loses control over the Red Sea and the British Empire is effectively cut in half. ANZAC and Indian forces need to be ferried around all of Africa, leading to heavy delays in reinforcements to the Western Front, allowing the Germans to break through the British lines and encircling the French armies. Ethiopia becomes the lynchpin that ensures German, Ottoman, Bulgarian and Austro-Hungarian victory in the Great War.
Alternate historians are still unsure whether Ethiopia either mainly managed to industrialize through their own strength or the careful balancing of contracts with foreign capitalists given access to Ethiopian resources.
Ethiopia is Coptic, not Orthodox Christian...
@@jurgisneverdauskis536Still pretty close to eastern orthodoxy (as the copts practically belong to the orthodox patriarchy of alexandria)
Jurgis Neverdauskis false, they have been Orthodox Christians since the 4th century
Jesus calm down it's ETHIOPIA
their are some consequences with Italy losing their colonies as losing in our timeline was bad enough as major riots across the country for simply losing a battle but basically losing their colonial empire the entire country would of fallen apart into anarchy and revolution I can see a earlier fascist Italy or a communist Italy take power Even before ww1 started
Atlantropa 2:04
Deseret 9:36
Ethiopia 13:10
Ethopia isnt real yall
@@Ghost-ot8cg ?
You forgot Kevin
@@Ghost-ot8cg 🤡
Seeing Alantropa reminded me of a occasional pipe dream in Australia over the years … *turning the rivers back inland.*
The idea is that all the water that flows out to see is instead redirected, either to create a inland sea or just to irrigate everywhere and make most of the land fertile.…?
_and screw the marshes and the estuary ecosystems._
It got some airplay back in the late 80's/early 90's cause some talkback radio king spearheaded a campaign to fund it by privatising the national phone network - so he and his cohorts could buy a lot of the shares (then the river plan would be declared unfeasible, but they would've already made their profits).
So what if it had gone ahead?
The possible scenarios cover a lot of time periods, since it was first proposed in the 19th century. The dream was to make a *big Australia…* A nation that was the equal to America in _usable_ land and population.
So how badly would this screw up?
And what would be the cost and effects in different time periods? Later is easier to construct, but also means more understanding of the consequences.
Perhaps a 1850's plan, 1900, between war period, post WW2 period, and a early 1990's period.
I'd love to see a game based around the Atlantropa existence. Can you imagine wandering the endless wastes, when on the horizon, the staunch contrast of the ruins of Rome, buildings as white as bone rising up from the endless seas of yellow. A few traders wander the waste, others bandits, picking over the dead, both now-seemingly ancient and fresh.
"If Ethiopia had an airforce, the British *or Italians* could muster a bigger one"
Yeah but like... they'd be fighting Italians. I mean, c'mon, imagine an industrial Ethiopia going up against fascist Italy. Mussolini would be hanging by his legs come the end of 1936.
Nerdsoft true, the italians had already lost one war against the ethiopians
Nerdsoft cough couch germany....
@@harambeh6302
No, it wasn't WWII, but the Third Ethiopian war (Fought before then WWII.).
Italians actually used gasses and, as you said, didn't win a lot of battles, but it was 'cause they won the war with few battles using more men then during other invasions, planes, gasses, al that modern stuff.
Mann ik I’m late but I love your videos I probably watched all of them I watched soo much that I’m literally going back in time to watch more....I’m a huge fan of this Chanel and knowledge hub ....I skip school a lot bro😂😂 but I guess this keep me up to date💯I love the way you teach me about history my guy keep it up 🔥
Since this video came out I’ve probably watched it half a dozen times. Once every few months you should make a video on a topic you don’t think would appeal to “most” people or something very specific. You’d be surprised how many people want to learn about stuff like that
What if hodor won ww2?
He already made a video about it.
He wouldn't have to deal with Bran's shit all the time.
We've already done this
We'd all be speaking Hodor.
Chris Smith what if Hodor didn’t die
"We already have a slightly influenced mormon society in the United States."
*_I T S C A L L E D U T A H_*
Somehow I can hear voices inside my head. They are shouting "Make a DnD Story!"
I’m from Utah and it’s nuts to see how prepared the Mormons are for total self sufficiency. Even military action and defense. The church is organized into wards of about 1x1.5 sq miles and then there is usually about 4 wards to a church then about 16 wards to a stake center. In the case of armed conflict three stake centers would organize into one district and are responsible for creating 3 battalions per stake center. My scout master and one of my church leaders was one of the community emergency response leaders and no joke he had enough guns to arm a rifle to every house in his ward as well feed everyone for a month mormon and non Mormon alike and besides his living room kitchen and guest bathroom almost everywhere was stocked with food and ammo even the split breezeway when you enter the home. He was a respectful man to the ladies and children a good father figure to all of us boys growing up and an amazing leader to all
Ok I'm not saying you didn't have a leader with guns or were taught militarism in your neighborhood. But that's definitely not widespread. Without the caveat it'll probably make us look like lunatics.
@@logankearl8115self sufficiency is absolutely a major part of the church. But yeah this guy sounds pretty extreme😂
AlternateHistoryHub: San Diego and Denver are in the same state
US Citizen: Wooooah soo huge!
Everybody else: I guess it's big, then?
Industrialized Ethiopia might be able to beat Italy, giving it access to a port. This is a game-changer.
The real-life un-industrialized Ethiopia was given Italian Eritrea after WW2. Until Eritrea decided they'd rather not be part of Ethiopia and after 30 years of warfare managed to achieve independence, putting Ethiopia back in their current landlocked status. Had Ethiopia been a wealthier, fully industrialized nation and acquired Eritrea earlier, enough of the Eritreans might have decided that being part of the empire was actually a pretty good deal to prevent that from happening. Or this more powerful Ethiopia just crushes the Eritrean revolution.
@@RedXlV it'd be the latter. For Eritreans it was a battle of self determination, they didn't care much for anything else.
No no no u said it wrong industrialize Ethiopia will not only beat their asses hard but embarrass them
Very pleased I came across your Channel great work
This was my first AlternateHistoryHub video, and I continue to rewatch it occasionally.
Can You Talk About The Kaiserreich World?Its A Very Good Alternate History
I second
I guess
I support
I think he already has a "what if Germany won ww1 video"
YoloCrafters,I agree to!
What if the Back to Africa movement became mega popular and actually happened?
IWTC IRDOC. I haven't heard about this, please tell me more.
I didn't know either so i did a quick search an it's pretty interesting: The Back-to-Africa movement, also known as the Colonization movement or Black Zionism, originated in the United States in the 19th century. It encouraged those of African descent to return to the African homelands of their ancestors.
Blake Ballard it failed because African politicians and locals weren't very accepting of afro decedents who had no skill or would compete over jobs and wealth.
psh. so they were being prejudiced against their own brethren. go fig.
Blake Ballard Africa is more diverse than Europe and even Asia in terms of ethnic groups. It’s strength and weakness :)
Country: has more armies
Britain: are you challenging me
Drain the Mediterranean Sea, the most photogenic and pleasant body of water in the Eastern Hemisphere. Brilliant. Fucking brilliant.
What if the earth did not have oil
Th3WhiteLotus but it's not possible
Saudi Arabia wouldn't be wealthy af
i dont think anyone would even know about middle east then
Meme Wizard America would collapse
Th3WhiteLotus Middle East would be peaceful?
Actually an Industrialized Ethiopia after the 60's could slowly expand into Africa and potentially help form some sort of African Union with economic help from either the West or the USSR in a Pan-African Communist State, once Britain has no Empire
BasedPeter if they were commies they would have even less food than they have now.
Pan-African Communist State? You do know this is Ethiopia right? The same Ethiopia that withstood generations of jihad and is extremely pious? Relax your commie rectum.
Darken De la Espada but Ethiopia was Communist.
I would sooner work with Soviets than fall to ass backwards Jihadists
+dawit s
I would actually argue that being red is worse. This is because communism rejects all traditions of a society and has the potential to negate belief in moral values. Islamic conquerors on the other hand would replace incompatible traditions with their own and the civilization would still maintain some semblance of its past, barring extreme cases of genocide. With that said; despite aid from the USSR, Ethiopia wasn't truly red but within the influence of a red nation. If the leaders of Ethiopia or the populace had to choose to adopt one of these political/cultural systems; I highly doubt they would have choosen communism, unless under threat of being purged which is unlikely given the nations involved. At most they would suffer oppression and high taxes by Somalia.
Who is watching this for the 1st time 2 years after it was published? ✋
Me, and it's very entertaining
Don’t ever call me out like this again
me
Glad to see the 62 others like me
Jerry Wells 2nd time
Fun fact: Las Vegas was originally founded by Mormons. So the city of Las Vegas would exist if the state of Deseret existed, but it'd be nothing like modern-day Las Vegas.
The Atlantropa reality sounds like an AMAZING Movie premise!
Veteran Viewer I think it’s mentioned in “The man in the high castle”.
but that isn't focus on mediterranean
Veteran Viewer could be cool
Ay I actually wrote a short story about Ethiopia in this scenario with a steampunk flair, where Ethiopia began fighting with Great Britain and spreading across Africa with the constant threat that ‘the colonized would become the colonizers’, it was very fun to write
Is this posted anywhere? Would be interested in reading it :P
JustCoNa not currently but I will look into doing that :) it doesn’t go into much detail but it’s just an Ethiopian battleground kinda thing
Well if you ever do try and remember to find this comment again haha!
i advise upload the finished story on reading platforms like wattpad. if your story gets enough attention, they'll make it a book and give you money. If it not, well.. you lose nothing
Austin Hoover please don't tease me like this. Please work on it and share it :) would really love to read it.
As a Mormon thank you for not painting us out as bad guys😂 I was kinda worried at the beginning
Eh... I've certainly seen worse. It's telling though that they still see us only as missionaries. They don't realize that we are normal people.
Elder Uchtdorf had an interview on TV in the 80s when he was a Stake President where he literally had to explain that Latter-day Saints do wear casual clothing.
i mean your leaders are bad guys with the amount of times they scam and spend money on themselves and dont pay taxes
@@penguinpenguinpenguin source?
@@kennygodfrey7834 they tell their followers to pay 10 percent of their income to the church its clearly a scam
@@penguinpenguinpenguin I asked for a source, aka an unbiased publication/news article, not for more of your opinion.
Great video Kevin!
Why do you assume Ethiopia had to be at war with the British? Ethiopia could have industrialised and then allied with the British in order to keep Italy from gaining influence in the African region?
That's what Japan did. They allied with other European countries, like the UK, in order to expand. They even beat Russia in a war. RUSSIA!
The main problem is that the alternate history of industrialized Ethiopia relies on two other alternate histories to work. It'd either have to happen earlier in the century or even the 1700s so the Ethiopians have the same "starting line" as everyone else, or the Scramble for Africa would have to just not happen.
Sir Nils Olav Britain allied it self with Japan to counter Russia because they both shared a common enemy. Why would Britain allied it self to fight Italy a nation the British would absolutely destroy. However If Germany colonised Somalia maybe they would ally a Ethiopia as Germany is a real threat.
Because Britain was racist
Mr. Smilez they did allied Japan
Russia was without the winter when lose to Japan.
I feel that there was a lost Opportunity on the Ethiopia section of the video. If Ethiopia had industrialised it is very possible that they would have had a destabilizing influence on the rest of the African colonies that surrounded it. The fact that Ethiopia remained independent and defeated the Italians fueled many nationalist movements in Africa right up to the 1960s in our own time line. Imagine that combined with the knowledge of Ethiopia as an industrial power on the continent. That would empower so many nationalist movements and put European empires in Africa under a certain degree of pressure.
Moreover Ethiopia wouldn't have to necessarily go in to conflict immediately, they would just have to wait for the right opportunity.
For example if the tensions in Europe that lead to the First World War still happened, that could have been catastrophic for any European power in that timeline since an industralised Ethiopia could take advantage of the over stretched armies of Europe.
In a scenario like that Ethiopia could either sponsor nationalist/terrorist/freedom fighter movements across Africa and accelerate their path to independence or use the opportunity to annex much of the continent and incorporate them into the Abbysinan Empire.
Aniwazoa honestly that is the far likely scenario especially after Europe exhausted itself after World War 1 it would have left the rest of Africa ripe for the picking and Ethiopia would have expanded influence across the entire continent that would have changed the global scope and a lot of interesting ways.
Cody is pretty damn good but he lacks Monumental Insight when it comes to Africa
also religion could play a large part since most of Ethiopia was Christian and ancestrally so that could have had an impact and how various European countries viewed and dealt with them. perhaps they would have join the entente in WW1 gaining status from the European powers as a recognized country not just some place to have colonies.
Lets suppose instead ethopia is able to modernize and industralize. Ethopia in OTL was attacked by Italy. Lets the flip the script. Ethopia in the mid 30s was able to fight italy off or at least give them a bloody stalemate. Now Italy is part of the Axis and Ethopia circa 1941 wants payback so it declares war on Italy and invades and conquers Italian Somaliland. Italy is way too busy to recapture it. So by 1945 Ethopia instead of being a landlocked nation is now a ocean going developing nation with a port city and the will to develop into an export driven economy with markets in india, asia and the middle east.
Stephen Voss it's amazing how easily you could see this but Cody could not
Italian Somaliland is the peanut butter for Ethopia's chocolate (pardon the pun). Ethopia had potential for development but lacked access to ports and major markets. Somalia had ports but lacked capital. Ethopia with those Ports becomes much important to the United States which would help Ethopia develop the port in exchange for allowing a naval base.
That's okay Cody we still love your channel even if your videos are not on time keep putting out the good content bro
Also I feel a lot of content creators are late on a lot of videos as well so don't feel bad about it life just gets in the way sometimes
I have to thank you for explaining Utah the way you did. It is my home state and I’ve lived there my whole life. You nailed the whole thing down to the smallest detail 😂 “but much like their haircuts, it’s just kinda bland.” I could not have described it better myself
What if the Ottomans won at Vienna?
BulletBill110 Which Vienna? 1683 or 1529? 1529 might make for a better continuity in terms of the Ottoman rise
You mean what if the Winged Hussars never arrived?
I know you from g+
BulletBill110 the winged hussars would've arrived somewhere else
Europe would be Islamic, 9/11, Iraq War and Trump Presidency would never happen.
I dont agree with you in the Ethiopian scenario. If Ethiopia starts industrializing in the 1860s-1870s like Japan they would have defeated Italy in the first Italo-ethiopian war (like they did in our timeline) but this time maybe they would have invaded italian Eritrea, effectively expelling Italy from the horn of Africa.
Or Ethiopia would have united the world under a single emperor and we'd have flying cars now.
Doesn't matter
The Ethiopian empire was defeated by communism
@Noah Big boy Nope, mustard gas wasn't used to win but to win faster
Ethiopia had no chance against italian tanks and airforce
@Noah Big boy Well you're right about hitler and other powers supporting the Ethiopians but still most of the soldiers just had meele weapons like spears or swords and the guns they had were mostly outdated.
Yes Ethiopia is full of mountains but tanks were used on roads or the parts of Ethiopia which were plain.
And I really doubt that the Ethiopians could have hold the lines for 5 entire years since they mostly didn't even have anti tank Equipment
Your voice makes me fall asleep. Not cause it's boring but cause it's smooth
Thank you Cody, I started writing an Atlantropa novel because of you.
I hope you did invent a reason why they should not just shut the dams if there was issues, or why the salt could not be cleared (would have been prepared for this to happen and would have lots of electricity from the dams so they could use it for machines).
@@sarasamaletdin4574 I actually did, it was the first thing that I thought
I'm not sure its fair to say Ethiopia would still lose a defensive war. The Italians suffered a series of incredibly embarrassing defeats even during their second invasion. I don't think it's a stretch to say that a more or less fully modernized Ethiopian military would trash them again.
Max Paquet very true, I think they would defeat Italy and then join the allies and take Eritrea and Somaliland
Assuming they have good military doctrine then yes
Theyre Ethiopian.
No no humiliated
What if polish lithuania commonwealth partition never happened ?
Poland was going to be dissolved no matter what. The monarchy and the nobility was weak and could not put a proper defense to larger and more organized and modern Austrians and Russians or even the rising Prussians. Besides Metternich would likely given much of the country to either one of them in exchange for Prussia to unite more of Germany in the case of Austria, Austrian leadership in a new version of the Holy Roman Empire fro Germany or Russia giving up Alaska to the UK and the Caucuses to the Ottomans for Russia.
Marylandbrony *cough* alternative history *cough*
Marylandbrony this is alternaitve history not history channel so why not just ignore those things
Stupid western spy
Shiba Inu but his right! Nobility lose idea of res publica for res privata and i think Commonwealth can be dessolved like Holy Roman Empire.
Marylandbrony You heard about... Constitution of 3rd May? It was second constitution in the world right after american. It helped with all this problems, but nobles went to Catarina II so she can intervent.
I see atlantropa being a series of islands to facilitate trade with the dams containing locks to let ships through
this is my schooling during coronavirus thank you so much for making these videos