So that you can quit the moment you hit 300, right? I mean, if that's the only thing keeping you going then you've already beat the game by your own standards. Not you personally.
Ive been grinding pit 130s, I gave up on the 300 grind long ago. After seeing your graph showing that 243 is 10% of the way? I think I am done with the season.
And that's exactly why I stuck to Eternal this season (let's all just agree, this season theme was mid at best) and I'm at like 260, but at least I know that's across all my Eternal character classes forever 😊
You guys are so annoying. You don’t need max level. No other ARPGs but the horrible Diablo 3 make you feel like you need max level. If blizzard makes level 300 easy I’m done with Diablo 4
Max lvl is irrelevant. Those last 80~ paragon points are more convent and add's small additional dmg in the form of additive dmg. You aren't going to get more multipliers and you aren't getting that massive of an increase. At t4 p200 i was essentially killing durial and andy t4 easily. Granted, im playing spiritborn like 90% of everyone else cuz new class, but it is a stronger class.
I think the whispers should just stack and then I can turn them in when I want! The Realm Walker is annoying as hell! Its too slow to kill it. The faster we kill his minions the faster we should be able to complete it.
On the whispers, turn them to a new currency, which you can only trade with the tree, and have different levels of caches to trade, as well as adding stuff like tribute caches, rune caches, and so on
Yep, I remember last season farming bosses purely to cap out my codex because of all the legendaries that dropped. Was super annoyed when I killed Duriel and he dropped a handful of Uniques....and that was it.
I really like paragon to chase and differentiate players (esp. when paragon levels are shared between characters). I play tons of games where I don't feel like a failure if I don't max. I prefer to always have another level to work towards
To me, the answer to the codex issue is making it easier to target aspects so that when you DO finally get a maxed aspect, it’s much more likely to be one that you’re hunting for
Ancestrals should always roll with aspect ranges from 16-21. You make the drop chances weighted, so rank 21 aspects are still peak chase but not damn near unobtainable. Also, extracting an aspect into the codex as an alternative to having to salvage the item would be great for situations where you want to keep the item but it rolled rank 21 on its aspect that's not for your build at all.
For gem fragments (and I know they are increasing the cap with the 10/29 patch) once you've reached the cap, the game could still pick them up, but it will not increase your storage of them anyway, they just disappear from the ground. At least it would keep the area clean of crap on the floor.
Add whisper stacks so that you can turn in for multiple caches at your convenience, and make it so that you can reroll cache options with gem fragments.
Having a "max" level in the game gives a feeling of need to complete psychological tick. This was the reason the paragon system in D3 was so good, you max the "useful" stats, everything else was gravy then. Also, if you scroll down on the item it will TELL you if you get an aspect upgrade in text in addition to having the icon at the vendor/blacksmith.
In D3 I never felt the urge to push Paragon levels sicne they were "infinite".. but in other games where there is a level cap I often like to reach it. Though in D2 I never got 99. 96 was my highest. I guess I never bothered to do max level since I generally found some new gear for a new character to try out
So people agree it feels bad when a 4GA unique has a crap aspect roll, but don’t want it to be auto perfect? Okay. Put unique aspects in the codex and make it so they can only replace the aspect on the same unique so if you get a perfect that’s trash you can junk it for the aspect and then imprint it on the 4GA one (you will probably never find lol). Easy solution.
To me the solution to the Codex problem is to make the normal max the non-Ancestal cap as is and then make a GA version of aspects you can get on items that give you the GA item for the codex. Can still be rare but now you NOTICE when the codex update it is a fun drop and changes the perspective of the codex without removing that it is an actual fun factor to max out your codex now.
I'm just a casual player and i hit 242 and it seems like a brick wall now. I'm done for season it's not a casual player season. This season is for the pro's/streamers who play 24/7 not the many like me who play a few hours a day.
Everything above 200 is entirely optional... Why are there always people complaining? The not casuals complained about a finished character after only 1-2 weeks into the season and the casual players now complain about paragon 300 taking to long... ofc it takes extremly long, but it's OPTIONAL. You got 3 months each season and we are only 3 weeks into it... Plenty of time for any casual to get to 300 if they really want to. On average you need about 100-150h which is 1.6h a day at max.
As far as The Whispers, you can set it as a favorite location to automatically fast travel there. It really does help with the time not having to open your map.
Yeah bro, I got to 200 and beat the raid on T4. Wasn't sure what else to do. Have a lot of other games to play, books to read, movies to watch, etc. For people who main diablo, it is likely a good thing. I had fun, just not enough fun to push out over a hundred more hours haha P.S They will have to have an absolutely baller next season to compete with some of these other incoming games, even within their own genre. Based on their history of not quite understanding fun, I have a feeling this could be my last season for a good while.
I feel like the Paragon system as it is currently designed is perfectly fine since all characters on a given realm share those Paragon points. Keep in mind that with the current design, it's sorta "future-proofed". For example, the most obvious change they could make is to adjust the XP required to get to max. Or, if we get further expansions to the game (and I'm expecting at least one more, possibly two depending on the game's longevity) they could add more Paragon points, or allow us to use more boards, or both. Edit: also on the topic of 4 GA Unique items that have a low aspect roll, I don't think that it should be a guaranteed max roll if it's 4 GA, but I do think there should be either a way to upgrade a bad roll (a Resplendent Spark and/or a decent cost of other mats/gold) or else a higher than normal minimum roll. Or perhaps a mix of both. Like, if it's at least 3 GA, it has a higher "floor" roll than normal, and if it's 4 GA, you can also upgrade the aspect roll. I'm not a game dev, it's easy for me to spit out ideas that sound okay in theory... But some sort of system that doesn't just guarantee a max roll for those 3 or 4 GA Unique items, but instead offers an item chase for even the blasters, and is less punishing to the casual players who get lucky enough to see a 3 or 4 GA Unique. And I say all this as a casual who hasn't seen any 3-4 GA Uniques this season, but did see two last season... That both went straight to salvage for being terrible.
Yes I was thinking this exact comparison to d2! Reaching level 94 was an achievement for me. Just let us get 90-95% of things, and have that last 5-10% be a chase. Same goes with getting max aspects on every gear.
Its much closer to D2 now actually with the paragon giving you very little power towards the end (just gotta hope they don't add infinite paragon eventually) At the launch of D4 they said they wanted it to be like D2 by having 100 levels and take a long time to reach. However they really missed the mark on that one, because going from lvl 90-100 could more then double your health etc, it it had a lot of power baked in the last levels. But now you can get paragon 250 or slightly less and not miss much, its like getting 92ish in D2.
with gems i have said i would love the concept of smashing them together.. say grand skuill + grand diamond would give you say 6% resistance to all + 120 armor if used in jewellery instead of just being 1 bonus, you get 50% or maybe even 40% of each combined allow for lower levels but over 2 things
I agree with your assessment of balance; it took me about 50 hours as a semi-casual player to complete the season journey and hit Paragon 200. That's a nice milestone for anyone and 50 hours of content a season is very good. As you rightly say, there is still a whole lot further you can take your build if you want to really commit and make it a forever game. Very impressed with what the team has achieved.
Same, I hope that when paragon goes to eternal it will stack between seasons there so I will have a trophy by just reaching 250 each season after few seasons.
The icon does exist and it is visible when you are trying to sell or at the blacksmith. It's kind of a star type of shape on the upper right, but NOT the GA star.
I’m just under level 200. I did notice the higher I leveled the longer it took. Which is to be expected but I felt like I wasn’t leveling up at all. I don’t really see myself needing to be level 300 nothing survives at my current level. lol
I got every class to optimal gear with a min of 2 ga on everything + a whole lot of additional grinding with pots up and still only made it to 266 paragon, ended up giving up on hitting 300 this season.
It's significant if you are filling in all the necessary nodes for level 100 glyphs. Im 254 and I'm 5 int nodes away from hitting All Resistence cap without wasting it on All Stat magic nodes. (You are potentially looking at +100% to 200% on your glyphs from minimum requirement.) I'm liking the new threshold. That and expansion offers 1 +1 skill and additional +4 paragon in the Map rewards.
realm walker should have a 1:30 minute of hunting him and have him spawn once every 10-20 minutes in this way people will look for him whenever they want opals...... maybe cut down the xp so people won't cheese it since I think this is the main reason of him being designed as it is
I'm at 160 and completely demotivated, I don't even have most of the aspects at 16 let alone 21 or items I need, I'm doing barely any damage and I'm struggling with pit 40 solo. I'm a sorcerer getting kicked from groups constantly, I'm really hating the experience. While doing the campaign I died 15 times in one day, all from one shots. This went away when I got the constellation aspect which is broken and kills everything, hitting for 1 million when my skills were still only hitting for 20k. I really hope this makes some sort of balance pass.
@@vorik_g that is not the solution that is never the solution, spiritborn is so broken in the opposite direction it's not fun it's brainless you go from doing millions to trillions of damage, no content in the game matters without work, clearing screens of enemies faster than other classes skills activate. Druid and barbarian are in an even worse spot. The problem is compounded by the aspects and items being so hard to obtain.
@@hughwood5881 not wanting to play a class cause its broken sounds a little weird to me... it obviously makes the most fun out of all classes currently, but will be nerfed and fixed next season. Surely other classes are to weak right now and have to be buffed but thats still no reason to not play the spiritborn, just because it's to strong. Beating pit tier 150 is still a lot of work, even on spiritborn.
@@hughwood5881 I agree that the balancing is really bad currently but as long as they wont buff or nerf anything during a season (because 70% of the playerbase voted against that) nothing will drastically change. Means you shouldnt complain about something that you cant change... just make the best of it and play the classes that are strong in that specific season. (necro and sorc can clear pit tier 100 this season as well, only with the right build though)
I'm a Sorc at Heart as well. Give another try at it if you feel it for Chain Lightning. It's working. Wudijo IIRC made a good one, else RageGamingVideos.
Some own experience from my side regarding what you said at 4:30. I am Paragon 291 now and between 250 and 300 I get additional 200STR to my Barb. Together with the %STR amulet, I will end up getting around 285 extra STR because of the extra 50 Paragon. So almost 30% more damage
Wait you are telling me I am not even 10% there with Paragon 230? I thought I would have atleast 35-40% of the total xp needed to reach paragon 300. That is actually insane. Before I watched this video I had planned to reach paragon 300 but after I saw how much progress I actually have I am inclined to just not bother about it at all.
shared paragon is great for HC if I lose a character I still feel good making paragon levels(assuming I don't die while getting to 60 from all the DCs) :D the icon also shows up if you go to sell it to an npc(which no one but us solo self-found people would know)
I like that it takes so long to reach cap. It means that no matter what I'm doing, I'm progressing my character(s). In the past, once I capped out Paragon, I just stopped playing until the next season.
@@dnice374 I should take max 2-3 weeks so you can play an alt of different build. Its too hard for no reason. Also items brick still with only 1 reuse for tempers.
I'm having a great time with the expansion. I've done all the quests and loving all the lore. The thing I would like to see is the ability convert all the gem fragments to other gym fragments. I'm semi-casual and I just don't have time to grind to get my top tier gems for multiple characters.
I like that i havent reached max level. It leaves a feeling that there is still more to optain. And i still dont feel like the gap between levels is too much.
I quit at 248, 300 is absolutely pointless, it should had a badass armor set akin to some of the store ones, for the character and mounts, plus a bunch of other shit.
@@philosocrates It doesn’t really affect my experience if other people want to spend a ton of money on cosmetics and stuff. This mount is a good example. I don’t care if people buy it. Doesn’t impact me at all.
A big issue with the paragon grind is that in theory you can switch between characters as you like and keep progressing paragon since it's shared, but in practice you're only going to make any meaningful progression on your strongest and fastest clearing character(s). So this system both punishes any build that's not all about speedfarming the pit, and it also punishes you from having more than one character. In my opinion there should be some kind of "passive" paragon gain that's based on your highest cleared pit, so even if you're playing suboptimally you're pretty much guaranteed to hit 300 at some point, even if it will be much slower than the top tier blasters.
10:15 a nice way to fix this is to give each GA level a +25% minimum roll on the legendary affix. So if a legendary affect goes from +100% to +200% of something, a 1GA rolls from 125 to 200, a 2 GA from 150 to 200, and 4GA always maxes out.
It is better now, BUT glyphs should be shared across all characters. Having to find and level them again on an alt makes me not want to make an alt. I think Blizzard thinks it is a good idea to make us refarm shit, but it isn't. If I could just instantly level and go to town with an alt I would play a week or two longer. If I have to find glyphs and level them again.. I'm less inclined to do that. It's boring. Make it all like D3. Stop tyring to slow our progress. AND that goes with leveling from 250 to 300 paragon. It takes too much time. We don't want to spend that much time playing the game. It just isn't fun. And codex.. I'm 260 and many of my codex are like 60%. Dude.. wtf. Not fun.
That's cause they are tied to ancestrals. Higher % drops from them and there was a bug going around were if you salvaged a % that was higher from a regular legendary it would brick that aspect in the codex.
Glyphs are super easy on an alt. It's only the first character that it is a pain. For an alt you hit 60, apply all of the paragon levels from your main and run some NM dungeons. It took me about an hour to find the five glyphs my alt needed, then I switched to the Pit and took another half an hour or so to level them to 15. With the paragons from my main I could easily blast through the Pit in less than 4 minutes so got +4 levels for a glyph at 100% chance per run. If you want ancestral or mythic items or level your glyphs to 46 or more on an alt, then sure you will have to spend a bit of time.
Glyph leveling is backwards now. We should be leveling glyphs to get stronger, but now we have to get stronger to level glyphs. A non-spiritborn player struggling through a 80 to 85 pit can't max out their glphs.
I have come across a major bug, and cant find anyone talking about it, so now im here mentioning it In the necromancers paragon tree, you can get summon damage increase and summon damage reduction. These can further be ampmified by the deadraiser glyph. But these stats doesnt show up in the stats tap, the deadraiser glyph also have some wierd interaction with the nodes it buffs. Normally a glyph shows the stats it has amplified and how much you are getting put of it. But the deadraiser doesnt seem to have the intended effect, and only shows a 10 increase to the nodes it affects. Which is less than the 110% increase it should give. As mentioned before, you have no way of knowing whether you are affected by these nodes or not. The only way is to actively remove these nodes check damge, to then add them again to see if there were a change in damage (which i havent done, because that is more tideous than it should be) Last week i reported this as a bug, but i havent heard or seen anyone else talking about it, so i was wondering if im just missing something crucial
Great content as usual 👏🏽 I been playing this game longer than most Diablo I lol 😆, I am not one who just wants to complete the game. I want to experience it. Thanks again ICOMETH
5:45 Yeah there is a lot of chase in the game now, I'm still chasing my first SCROLL OF ESCAPE in hardcore so i can have a DC protection because D4 is memory leaking every 1 to 2 hours and crashing, lost 2 characters because people say they drop their first scroll after 200 + paragons...I can't even get there because I die to crashes before that.
Not going lie, between ssason 4 to season 6, I feel like this season was slowed down a lot… unless I no-life the game and I can’t. I have a life and responsibilities outside of video games. And that suck I can’t game like I use too 10 plus years ago.
this is because every positive change was counterbalanced by some uncodumented bad change. boss materials are more plentiful now than ever. and yet despite getting 5x more boss mats this season than in prior seasons, the drops are horrendously nerfed compared to what they were, so you need to farm 10x more bosses. which means boss farming is 2x as bad as it was previously, even though the dopamine of getting boss mats temporarily makes you think you're winning. no, no you're not. you're losing. just one example of 5+ I could give.
What are you talking about. Season 5 was the easiest to get max level. Season 6 I think is the only season where it had gotten slower, but it is not by much, as the "goal" for max level is more or less paragon 200. The last 100 levels gives you almost no power, and is just there as a small carrot for the blasters out there. There is ZERO reason to go for paragon 300 other than the achievement of it.
you finished your char in season 4 and 5 in around 2 weeks and now it takes way longer because everyone complained. Now the grinding to 300 is entirely optional and people still complain. We are only 3 weeks into a 3 months season... be happy that there is a long term achievement now. If you dont like doing that, your char is 99% finished between paragon 200 and 250 which only takes around 50h. (0.5h per day in 3 months)
For those who like Paladin offensive Auras (like me, hope they'll do it for the next Character here "Crusader" lol) Don The clown made a Spiritborn (not sure if he's the first still) With a Scourge Aura and enemies just EXPLODE!! Yay!! Feels like Righteous Fire (Watch your HP drain) or the lvl 62 Death Aura Chest piece in PoE.. I'm having fun again!
I did paragon level 300 by running pit 80 in 60-90s time on spiritborn evade build, listening to podcasts or twitch streamers playing Diablo 4. It was a decent experience since evade build is the most relaxing one of all to play. It took me 264h to reach it, but I was sightseeing the expansion until I was paragon 250 and decided to speed up my farm.
It's like a double edge sword in a sense. You don't hit level 100 in a day and sit in boredom, but yet now it takes absolutely forever to max level. I myself, absolutely hate the pit, then being forced to run it over and over for efficient leveling is a huge turn off. I've already wrote off the season. On to BO6 and eventually POE2.
All they need to do for aspects is basically add them to the pool for things to have "greater affix" then it could basically roll as GA aspect at 21. I feel like that's a fairly easy solution
Played till level 100 max paragon season 5 ( where I felt powerful ) Made it to level 45 and have put it down. There isn't much to do, game feels like a chore considering how weak my character feels. Guess ill check out next season.
You don't really get much power from paragon levels after 200 anyway. It's basically a question of: are you playing spiritborn? Then you get to one shot everything on Torment 4 with an unoptimized build and nowhere near maxed out gear. You're playing another class, the peasants? You can eventually reach torment 4 after you have several mythic uniques, maxed out boards, and optimized gear. But you won't be one shotting anything.
Diana has finished the season 100% everything, she is just getting a few codex dungeons finished, she has seen the piebald panther and is blasting to paragon 300.. Ive reminded her that when I pushed D2 from 98 to 99 it took me 2 weeks.. her reply "thats you, Im better than you".... Have a great week CJ!
There is no point to reach 300. Playing the most OP class at paragon 175 i was able to clear all T4 content including Higher Pits. At paragon 245 without single glyph I was able to clear t90 and no upgrades.
Learning about this was quite demotivating. Already finished the season stuff and got the title. I considered lvl 300 as the final goal to finish the season initially, thus I haven't really felt like playing anymore since learning about the insane exp curve. I have played quite a bit and am at 238ish right now, playing an SB and DoK rogue, but I CBA to speedrun pits for that long as it's just mind-numbing to be honest. An average playstyle (not limited to tons and tons of braindead pit runs) should at least be able to come close to the cap. I also find it is quite hard or near impossible to find upgrades for my gear without actively trading gear and runes to make those required billions. I really don't care for this at all, and I stopped bothering with this as well. The aspect thing is just plain annoying as well. I did find a max moonrise and duelist, but by that time I got bored with my SB and switched to a rogue.
I’ve got to stay off the internet I just don’t agree with people these days. I almost never support any nerf unless it’s breaking the game or ruining my fun. I’ve been playing daily since launch and this whole time I’ve never played a build that was so strong it needed to be nerfed. I’ve certainly never effected anyone else’s game. I’ve been struggling to get mythics, fully masterwork gear, solo torment bosses and last season was stuck at horde level 6 both 7 and 8 were so far out of reach. Some of us need the overtuned spirit born just to feel strong and feel like we have a chance to get further into the end game.
no, thousands of player got to 300 already, you need around 100-150h for it. You just need to exp farm efficiently. Around 70pits for the last level (1min runs, 1min downtime, only 140minutes for it)
@@L0ST31D0L0N you obviously need a speed build like evade, crushing hands, jaguar or rebound quill to speedfarm in one minute. You can't get that speed with quill mystic circles or any other pit pushing build. Even if you need 2min for the pit run and you still take a 1min downtime after each run, the last level only takes 210min/3.5h still. Leveling speed is just fine, i mean we are 3 weeks into a 3 month season. A lot of players already are 300 and most of the others are somewhere above 200 at least. Still something entirely optional... nobody needs paragon 300
@@vorik_g I'm running Crushing Hand. I just finished a pit 115 and it wasn't a one minute run... Not eveny 65 is a one minute run... That's what the hell I'm saying is what level is a one minute run? And I'm at p250...
I think I like this paragon curve. A.) there is a cap, so they don't have to design encounters for people who have infinite paragon levels. B.) it takes a long time to reach cap, that keeps blasters interested. C.) you don't start hitting the hardest levels till your already well over 200 so the hardest stuff in the game isn't out of reach for the regular person. Use to be you didn't even try the end game stuff till you were 100 and that get's boring just grinding till 100 then starting your loot hunt. Now you can start your loot hunt much earlier and still have times after you get some gear you go blast out some experience as well. Variety is what will keep people interested.
Tempering is going to make stop playing this game indefinitely. And I don’t want to do that . Tempering rng sucks bad. Stop taking players choice away we should be able to choose a tempering. Give us more build options instead of locked in one way to build
@@Titus.The_Crucifier Items I broke were actually due to not getting that roll no matte the value. You are right, it's definetly not healty to take this games odds seriously when it can give you exact same thing 7 times in a row.
@@Titus.The_Crucifier The tempering/enchanting/masterworking is still horrible even with the scrolls. I still consistently get the same useless roll 4 times in a row. That should NEVER happen. All the gambling aspects of this game are complete crap.
It would be a good idea for ancestrals to only be able to roll level 17-21 of an aspect, since ancestrals are so much more rare than before. Also, I wish the realmwalkers would spawn more frequently in Nahantu, since that's the only place we can get the opals to get more socketables.
I really like the fact that aspects only go beyond 16 on ancestral items. This gives me something extra to chase in the end-game. But I would want that x/21 number to be on the item as well for that ermahgerd-moment when you get a 20 or 21 out of 21 item. And if above 16 the number should be another color.
Thankfully making paragon 300 isn’t a make or break to the gameplay or progression. It has a carrot on a stick and that’s good door blasters. Overall I’m enjoying the expansion a lot
Don't play SB and tell me not having max aspects doesn't matter. These dev simps man. I can't stand how many industry plants we have to deal with now. Never paid a dime on the game yet tell us what we should think. E.A.D.
@@natel7382 This is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. Who is telling you what to think? He made a suggestion.... that I think is stupid personally. But that doesn't make him an "industry plant". Smh, go back to your conspiracy subreddit my guy.
@@IMrAverage You can dispute anything I say but when the dev flies you out and gives you collector boxes, you aren't going to then turn around and say anything negative to not get another trip out again. What do you think they are doing by having a YT video about a certain game? Telling us not to play it? I swear society in general can't think for themselves. 90 percent of people are followers, and it shows. Look at your ignorant reply. CT subreddit? You do realize the term CT was made up by the CIA to discredit anyone talking about JFK? LOL Wtf, are you really saying we don't have industry plants? Lol I wish I could be as ignorant, but I'm not that stupid, sorry.
@@natel7382 No he's right about that, you don't NEED it. I also think it's fine to progress as much as you like and get 90% of the way and then if you're not having fun farming the rest of 10% it's fine go play something else. But modifying the UI to not show the extra levels seems like a very insulting to players' intelligence and wouldn't even solve the problem. Most people will know there's higher levels and would want them regardless if the UI is lying to them that aspect is maxed.
@@mst4705 you clearly haven't played any other class. And I have plenty of legendary that have max aspects but because they aren't ancest when you scrap it doesn't show 100%. It's just a dogwater way to get players retention for the data vacuum that is d4.
Is the reward for paragon 300 changing every season or can i tackle it another season instead? Kind of stopped playing this season but that trophy looks clean.
I have not had this problem with rawhide and so on for mats , are people rerolling Everything or just selling all the gear they find instead of salvage their items but i have no problem in having enough mats
Year i have literally thousands of pretty much all crafting materials and save for the very beginning, i never had any shortages. The only shortages i ever had were angelbreath (because of potion upgrades) and forgotten souls (until my first tormented helltide run)
Just like 99 in Diablo 2.. Exactly. I've played since 2000 and never had a 99 character.. not even at the easy days of 1.08 or 1.09 mainly because I hopped back to classic where leveling was still "hard". But most characters were done around 85 .. definately at 90. In current game it is fairly easy to get 93-95 after which it gets actually very slow. I always liked the fact that you have some levels to gain rather than being stuck at max level.
And WHY is that a problem? You're not supposed to reach it easily, that's the whole point. This is a non-issue that only clueless casuals cry about. The power difference between 250 and 300 is basically non-existent.
Easy now! I am super casual…I think my character should START at 300, and every time I get whacked by a boss my level drops. When I get my brakes beaten off enough, I can start to raise my level again. By that time the season is over and D5 will be in development.
If the point of it is not impactful then it shouldn’t exist. Both paragon and glyph progress are poorly designed player experiences which turn off players simply because, as you said, there isn’t an in game, quantitative difference for them. Both should be attainable for a casual player. Both should be something a casual can do twice in a season so it offers them the opportunity, in season, to try out a different class. Paragon shouldn’t carry over to another seasonal character. It should just be part of your build growth. Nothing else in this game is this dumb and as a business decision, you should never create a system which makes people want to quit playing the game.
@@SadSackGamingagreed. In D3, your paragon is an indicator of your rising power or new levels attained. The paragon in D4 - with the boards and all that - are cool to look at, but a content creator would be of help showing a paragon plus character with no paragons spent, then juxtapose that same toon in the same dungeon or helltide with the paragons in play. It would allow a player - casuals in particular - to see the actual benefit of what those paragons can do. Or did I miss that video somewhere?
would love to see with the gem fragments that once you got max lvl gems you could get one last upgrade that cost a huuuge amount of fragments that makes that one gems stat spread to your other equipped items at 50% effect making it sort of legendary/magical powered
I think it'd be nice if we could salvage duplicate uniques to upgrade said unique aspect. So that way 4 GAs don't get salvaged, and there's a greater purpose for these spare uniques. Also, low-key don't like that bosses "only" drop uniques. My crafting materials are never low
Hardest part of grinding to 300 is not getting bored and quitting along the way.
So that you can quit the moment you hit 300, right? I mean, if that's the only thing keeping you going then you've already beat the game by your own standards. Not you personally.
then why are you even doing it.
@@dnice374 that's exactly the thought that pops in my head at lvl 10, right before i exit game.
yep.
Every item that is an upgrade for your codex is in the item description with an icon. The problem is that it's on the bottom of the item description.
The spires just need to pull monsters in by default unbuffed. Monsters are suspiciously less aggressive when spires spawn.
How bad is it when you have 3 spires at once? 😅 it is like the game gives you another if you don’t clear one when it’s open.
Ive been grinding pit 130s, I gave up on the 300 grind long ago. After seeing your graph showing that 243 is 10% of the way? I think I am done with the season.
@@clementine2001 i'm paragon 208, can consistently clear pit 80, i can solo T4 Duriel and T3 Andy is trivial... i think i'm done too
And that's exactly why I stuck to Eternal this season (let's all just agree, this season theme was mid at best) and I'm at like 260, but at least I know that's across all my Eternal character classes forever 😊
You guys are so annoying. You don’t need max level. No other ARPGs but the horrible Diablo 3 make you feel like you need max level. If blizzard makes level 300 easy I’m done with Diablo 4
@@clementine2001you are bad at the game if you can’t get past T2. Getting to 300 won’t help
Max lvl is irrelevant. Those last 80~ paragon points are more convent and add's small additional dmg in the form of additive dmg. You aren't going to get more multipliers and you aren't getting that massive of an increase. At t4 p200 i was essentially killing durial and andy t4 easily. Granted, im playing spiritborn like 90% of everyone else cuz new class, but it is a stronger class.
I think the whispers should just stack and then I can turn them in when I want! The Realm Walker is annoying as hell! Its too slow to kill it. The faster we kill his minions the faster we should be able to complete it.
Yep walker feels like a total time gate hidden behind process
He accelerates every time you kill the guardians.....
the realm walker has been sped up by 30%
Pretty sure nobody likes it
@@xmatthyx1 his walking speed is not the speed we are complaining about. Do you work for Blizzard? lol
On the whispers, turn them to a new currency, which you can only trade with the tree, and have different levels of caches to trade, as well as adding stuff like tribute caches, rune caches, and so on
This and uncap grim favors. I think adding a function where you can use gem fragments to reroll affix ranges on gear would be sick too
@@dantesantosia8493nice, I like that idea with rerolling ranges for fragments (+x gold maybe)
Part of the codex problem is ladder bosses only dropping uniques. That’s half the end game killing those bosses
well the problem is that killing the bosses is half the game. shit makes it so boring. just removed boss farming and buff loot elsewhere
Yes! He literally took a big farm part off the game..
@@NedMethodeh I just do all content
@@vondreas cool, you can do whatever you want. doesn't change the fact that boss killing is EXTREMELY more efficient and rewarding
Yep, I remember last season farming bosses purely to cap out my codex because of all the legendaries that dropped. Was super annoyed when I killed Duriel and he dropped a handful of Uniques....and that was it.
I really like paragon to chase and differentiate players (esp. when paragon levels are shared between characters). I play tons of games where I don't feel like a failure if I don't max. I prefer to always have another level to work towards
To me, the answer to the codex issue is making it easier to target aspects so that when you DO finally get a maxed aspect, it’s much more likely to be one that you’re hunting for
The ones you favourite should have a highlight when they drop. All drops should show the x/21 roll with the affix
Ancestrals should always roll with aspect ranges from 16-21. You make the drop chances weighted, so rank 21 aspects are still peak chase but not damn near unobtainable. Also, extracting an aspect into the codex as an alternative to having to salvage the item would be great for situations where you want to keep the item but it rolled rank 21 on its aspect that's not for your build at all.
For gem fragments (and I know they are increasing the cap with the 10/29 patch) once you've reached the cap, the game could still pick them up, but it will not increase your storage of them anyway, they just disappear from the ground. At least it would keep the area clean of crap on the floor.
This! 👍
(at least as a quick fix for this season and then figure out something to do with them for next season)
they cant even give you more than 6 fucking stash tabs after 6 seasons...they are just straight incompetent 🤣
@@AndThenShwarmaAfterits such a good game now tho fr
Add whisper stacks so that you can turn in for multiple caches at your convenience, and make it so that you can reroll cache options with gem fragments.
The item aspect upgrade not only shows up at the blacksmith, it shows up at any vendor.
Having a "max" level in the game gives a feeling of need to complete psychological tick. This was the reason the paragon system in D3 was so good, you max the "useful" stats, everything else was gravy then.
Also, if you scroll down on the item it will TELL you if you get an aspect upgrade in text in addition to having the icon at the vendor/blacksmith.
In D3 I never felt the urge to push Paragon levels sicne they were "infinite".. but in other games where there is a level cap I often like to reach it.
Though in D2 I never got 99. 96 was my highest. I guess I never bothered to do max level since I generally found some new gear for a new character to try out
So people agree it feels bad when a 4GA unique has a crap aspect roll, but don’t want it to be auto perfect? Okay. Put unique aspects in the codex and make it so they can only replace the aspect on the same unique so if you get a perfect that’s trash you can junk it for the aspect and then imprint it on the 4GA one (you will probably never find lol). Easy solution.
Agree. So frustrating to get a multi ga unique just to see it has the worst aspect
Yeah that's a decent trade off.
I mean it's not like we are asking for the whole Horadric Cube back... But it would break Spiritborn even more
"You will probably never find" found a 4 GA tibaults yesterday with a 10% implicit.
To me the solution to the Codex problem is to make the normal max the non-Ancestal cap as is and then make a GA version of aspects you can get on items that give you the GA item for the codex. Can still be rare but now you NOTICE when the codex update it is a fun drop and changes the perspective of the codex without removing that it is an actual fun factor to max out your codex now.
I like the idea of using a resplendent spark to upgrade a 4ga unique that has a garbage effect roll
agree withj you 100%. felt like iwas done with the game in 2 days after reaching 100. now i can grind towards lvl 300
I love this exponential grind for levels. Reminds me of 90-100 in D2. Perfect reach goal.
Excatly. In D2 98 -> 99 required as much XP as 1-98 :)
@@akse if not more.
I'm just a casual player and i hit 242 and it seems like a brick wall now. I'm done for season it's not a casual player season. This season is for the pro's/streamers who play 24/7 not the many like me who play a few hours a day.
Everything above 200 is entirely optional... Why are there always people complaining?
The not casuals complained about a finished character after only 1-2 weeks into the season and the casual players now complain about paragon 300 taking to long... ofc it takes extremly long, but it's OPTIONAL.
You got 3 months each season and we are only 3 weeks into it... Plenty of time for any casual to get to 300 if they really want to. On average you need about 100-150h which is 1.6h a day at max.
paragon 242 and you play a few hours a day, okay...
A loot filter with a option to show max rolls would be nice
As far as The Whispers, you can set it as a favorite location to automatically fast travel there. It really does help with the time not having to open your map.
Yeah bro, I got to 200 and beat the raid on T4. Wasn't sure what else to do. Have a lot of other games to play, books to read, movies to watch, etc.
For people who main diablo, it is likely a good thing. I had fun, just not enough fun to push out over a hundred more hours haha
P.S They will have to have an absolutely baller next season to compete with some of these other incoming games, even within their own genre.
Based on their history of not quite understanding fun, I have a feeling this could be my last season for a good while.
I feel like the Paragon system as it is currently designed is perfectly fine since all characters on a given realm share those Paragon points.
Keep in mind that with the current design, it's sorta "future-proofed". For example, the most obvious change they could make is to adjust the XP required to get to max. Or, if we get further expansions to the game (and I'm expecting at least one more, possibly two depending on the game's longevity) they could add more Paragon points, or allow us to use more boards, or both.
Edit: also on the topic of 4 GA Unique items that have a low aspect roll, I don't think that it should be a guaranteed max roll if it's 4 GA, but I do think there should be either a way to upgrade a bad roll (a Resplendent Spark and/or a decent cost of other mats/gold) or else a higher than normal minimum roll. Or perhaps a mix of both. Like, if it's at least 3 GA, it has a higher "floor" roll than normal, and if it's 4 GA, you can also upgrade the aspect roll.
I'm not a game dev, it's easy for me to spit out ideas that sound okay in theory... But some sort of system that doesn't just guarantee a max roll for those 3 or 4 GA Unique items, but instead offers an item chase for even the blasters, and is less punishing to the casual players who get lucky enough to see a 3 or 4 GA Unique. And I say all this as a casual who hasn't seen any 3-4 GA Uniques this season, but did see two last season... That both went straight to salvage for being terrible.
There's no problem with this. It's just some small nodes that barely influence you. It's like being 90 in D2, 99,9% would not reach lvl 99.
Finally a comment about the level curve with some sense.
This this this thiiiiiis!
Yes I was thinking this exact comparison to d2! Reaching level 94 was an achievement for me. Just let us get 90-95% of things, and have that last 5-10% be a chase. Same goes with getting max aspects on every gear.
I'm glad not EVERYONE in the community has 40 IQ. Faith in yall is restored
Its much closer to D2 now actually with the paragon giving you very little power towards the end (just gotta hope they don't add infinite paragon eventually)
At the launch of D4 they said they wanted it to be like D2 by having 100 levels and take a long time to reach.
However they really missed the mark on that one, because going from lvl 90-100 could more then double your health etc, it it had a lot of power baked in the last levels.
But now you can get paragon 250 or slightly less and not miss much, its like getting 92ish in D2.
with gems i have said i would love the concept of smashing them together.. say grand skuill + grand diamond would give you say 6% resistance to all + 120 armor if used in jewellery instead of just being 1 bonus, you get 50% or maybe even 40% of each combined allow for lower levels but over 2 things
Can you earn the paragon 300 mount in the eternal realm or is this just for getting it during a season?
it comes from the achievement, which is available in all realms
@@marsovac nice thx. Will eventually get then once seasons combine with eternal
I agree with your assessment of balance; it took me about 50 hours as a semi-casual player to complete the season journey and hit Paragon 200. That's a nice milestone for anyone and 50 hours of content a season is very good. As you rightly say, there is still a whole lot further you can take your build if you want to really commit and make it a forever game. Very impressed with what the team has achieved.
I hit 240 and kinda gave up. Can't just keep doing the same thing for such little return.
Same, I hope that when paragon goes to eternal it will stack between seasons there so I will have a trophy by just reaching 250 each season after few seasons.
yet we did far more mind numbing runs and wasted time repeating ourselves for years in D2 and we never complained.
@@Soulvexmillions quit that game before it happened and everyone in todays world can access the masses opinions.
@@Soulvex We were all younger back then. With far less other responsibilities.
The icon does exist and it is visible when you are trying to sell or at the blacksmith. It's kind of a star type of shape on the upper right, but NOT the GA star.
Isn't it crossed blades?
I’m just under level 200. I did notice the higher I leveled the longer it took. Which is to be expected but I felt like I wasn’t leveling up at all. I don’t really see myself needing to be level 300 nothing survives at my current level. lol
Lol, I'm at 193 hell night is one of the better ways of leveling. I sure you know that. Any info would be appreciated 👏🏽
under 200? You do 1 level each pit at that level, which is around 2-3min for one level... that is still fast af! After 250 it takes way longer
I got every class to optimal gear with a min of 2 ga on everything + a whole lot of additional grinding with pots up and still only made it to 266 paragon, ended up giving up on hitting 300 this season.
After 250 paragon is small additive damage. Not a big deal.
It's significant if you are filling in all the necessary nodes for level 100 glyphs.
Im 254 and I'm 5 int nodes away from hitting All Resistence cap without wasting it on All Stat magic nodes. (You are potentially looking at +100% to 200% on your glyphs from minimum requirement.)
I'm liking the new threshold. That and expansion offers 1
+1 skill and additional +4 paragon in the Map rewards.
What a waste of your time. Sad 😔
@@yharnamiyhill787 But is there something you cannot kill at 250 vs 300? I'm guessing no.
realm walker should have a 1:30 minute of hunting him and have him spawn once every 10-20 minutes in this way people will look for him whenever they want opals......
maybe cut down the xp so people won't cheese it since I think this is the main reason of him being designed as it is
I'm at 160 and completely demotivated, I don't even have most of the aspects at 16 let alone 21 or items I need, I'm doing barely any damage and I'm struggling with pit 40 solo. I'm a sorcerer getting kicked from groups constantly, I'm really hating the experience. While doing the campaign I died 15 times in one day, all from one shots. This went away when I got the constellation aspect which is broken and kills everything, hitting for 1 million when my skills were still only hitting for 20k. I really hope this makes some sort of balance pass.
Then go play spiritborn and switch to sorc when it's buffed again. Sorc got its op time with season 5
@@vorik_g that is not the solution that is never the solution, spiritborn is so broken in the opposite direction it's not fun it's brainless you go from doing millions to trillions of damage, no content in the game matters without work, clearing screens of enemies faster than other classes skills activate. Druid and barbarian are in an even worse spot. The problem is compounded by the aspects and items being so hard to obtain.
@@hughwood5881 not wanting to play a class cause its broken sounds a little weird to me... it obviously makes the most fun out of all classes currently, but will be nerfed and fixed next season. Surely other classes are to weak right now and have to be buffed but thats still no reason to not play the spiritborn, just because it's to strong. Beating pit tier 150 is still a lot of work, even on spiritborn.
@@hughwood5881 I agree that the balancing is really bad currently but as long as they wont buff or nerf anything during a season (because 70% of the playerbase voted against that) nothing will drastically change. Means you shouldnt complain about something that you cant change... just make the best of it and play the classes that are strong in that specific season. (necro and sorc can clear pit tier 100 this season as well, only with the right build though)
I'm a Sorc at Heart as well. Give another try at it if you feel it for Chain Lightning. It's working. Wudijo IIRC made a good one, else RageGamingVideos.
Some own experience from my side regarding what you said at 4:30. I am Paragon 291 now and between 250 and 300 I get additional 200STR to my Barb. Together with the %STR amulet, I will end up getting around 285 extra STR because of the extra 50 Paragon. So almost 30% more damage
Wait you are telling me I am not even 10% there with Paragon 230? I thought I would have atleast 35-40% of the total xp needed to reach paragon 300. That is actually insane. Before I watched this video I had planned to reach paragon 300 but after I saw how much progress I actually have I am inclined to just not bother about it at all.
Remember hitting 99 on d2? Haha
@@warhawk8468 I never played D2 so I cant really remember it haha
I'm paragon 196. I was going to push for 300. but nah. can't be bothered. I'll go play cod or fortnite lol. I play to many games.
At some point it’s just playing the game though. So trying to hit 300 is just grinding and playing the game all season.
@@warhawk8468D2 did not have seasons!!
shared paragon is great for HC if I lose a character I still feel good making paragon levels(assuming I don't die while getting to 60 from all the DCs) :D the icon also shows up if you go to sell it to an npc(which no one but us solo self-found people would know)
Realmwalker is fine. When you have spiritborn killing everything it leaves nothing to do while the realmwalker...walks.
Still crawl.
The trick from the shrine is that no matter what shrine you click, it will always apply conduit pylon
I'm having trouble getting my aspects maxed. I got a few that aren't for my build. I guess blizzard wanted everything to be a grind.
not a grind, just optional, cause everyone complained that it was going to fast
Hey Rhyk, what build are you running in this video? Link?
Excellent video, by the way! 👍🏻
I didn't know that blizzard would use the CO2 count in the atmosphere as the path to paragon 300. Interesting.
Honestly, if they want to boost the realmwalker, just stick it in helltide and up the intesity of everything with better rewards
I like that it takes so long to reach cap. It means that no matter what I'm doing, I'm progressing my character(s). In the past, once I capped out Paragon, I just stopped playing until the next season.
damn you beat me to it
@@dnice374 I should take max 2-3 weeks so you can play an alt of different build. Its too hard for no reason. Also items brick still with only 1 reuse for tempers.
@@savagedonut Paragon level is shared between characters.
@@savagedonutok bye then
I'm having a great time with the expansion. I've done all the quests and loving all the lore. The thing I would like to see is the ability convert all the gem fragments to other gym fragments. I'm semi-casual and I just don't have time to grind to get my top tier gems for multiple characters.
I like that i havent reached max level. It leaves a feeling that there is still more to optain. And i still dont feel like the gap between levels is too much.
Optain is insane dude, get it together.
284 is the half way point. The last 16 levels are the same as the first 284.
Love the stuff rhykker always good my dude
I quit at 248, 300 is absolutely pointless, it should had a badass armor set akin to some of the store ones, for the character and mounts, plus a bunch of other shit.
As Rax said, a Flying Fire-Breather Dragon mount as a reward.
It doesn't make them money then. That is all blizzard cares about at this point.
I think this grind to 300 is fine. 243 is 10% feels crazy, but honestly it makes 300 a real trophy and they never need to add more.
I love the idea of the shared paragon. This is similar to how it works in ESO.
I saw that $90 mount on the launcher and thought 'nah... no one is that dumb' then logged into the game and there was just an ocean of them.
People are turning gold into WoW tokens to buy it. It’s free for anyone who’s been playing for a while.
Whales ruin the game but keep Blizzard afloat
@@philosocrates It doesn’t really affect my experience if other people want to spend a ton of money on cosmetics and stuff. This mount is a good example. I don’t care if people buy it. Doesn’t impact me at all.
A big issue with the paragon grind is that in theory you can switch between characters as you like and keep progressing paragon since it's shared, but in practice you're only going to make any meaningful progression on your strongest and fastest clearing character(s). So this system both punishes any build that's not all about speedfarming the pit, and it also punishes you from having more than one character.
In my opinion there should be some kind of "passive" paragon gain that's based on your highest cleared pit, so even if you're playing suboptimally you're pretty much guaranteed to hit 300 at some point, even if it will be much slower than the top tier blasters.
Dude don’t know about them RuneScape levels😂
10:15 a nice way to fix this is to give each GA level a +25% minimum roll on the legendary affix. So if a legendary affect goes from +100% to +200% of something, a 1GA rolls from 125 to 200, a 2 GA from 150 to 200, and 4GA always maxes out.
Even better would be to make it: 3GA 75%+, and 4GA 90%+. Simple so simple.
It is better now, BUT glyphs should be shared across all characters. Having to find and level them again on an alt makes me not want to make an alt.
I think Blizzard thinks it is a good idea to make us refarm shit, but it isn't. If I could just instantly level and go to town with an alt I would play a week or two longer. If I have to find glyphs and level them again.. I'm less inclined to do that. It's boring. Make it all like D3. Stop tyring to slow our progress. AND that goes with leveling from 250 to 300 paragon. It takes too much time. We don't want to spend that much time playing the game. It just isn't fun.
And codex.. I'm 260 and many of my codex are like 60%. Dude.. wtf.
Not fun.
That's cause they are tied to ancestrals. Higher % drops from them and there was a bug going around were if you salvaged a % that was higher from a regular legendary it would brick that aspect in the codex.
Glyphs are super easy on an alt. It's only the first character that it is a pain. For an alt you hit 60, apply all of the paragon levels from your main and run some NM dungeons. It took me about an hour to find the five glyphs my alt needed, then I switched to the Pit and took another half an hour or so to level them to 15. With the paragons from my main I could easily blast through the Pit in less than 4 minutes so got +4 levels for a glyph at 100% chance per run. If you want ancestral or mythic items or level your glyphs to 46 or more on an alt, then sure you will have to spend a bit of time.
I absolut love the idea of the Realmwalker as a Worldboss, that spams hard enemys.
Glyph leveling is backwards now. We should be leveling glyphs to get stronger, but now we have to get stronger to level glyphs. A non-spiritborn player struggling through a 80 to 85 pit can't max out their glphs.
@@TheSchultzZ "non-spiritborn" so anything but spiritborn is struggling...
@@TheSchultzZ blind brozo...fingers faster than a brain...
Not struggling, just find a Spiritborn friend to carry you through higher pit levels 😂
Well said actually.
I have come across a major bug, and cant find anyone talking about it, so now im here mentioning it
In the necromancers paragon tree, you can get summon damage increase and summon damage reduction. These can further be ampmified by the deadraiser glyph. But these stats doesnt show up in the stats tap, the deadraiser glyph also have some wierd interaction with the nodes it buffs. Normally a glyph shows the stats it has amplified and how much you are getting put of it. But the deadraiser doesnt seem to have the intended effect, and only shows a 10 increase to the nodes it affects. Which is less than the 110% increase it should give. As mentioned before, you have no way of knowing whether you are affected by these nodes or not. The only way is to actively remove these nodes check damge, to then add them again to see if there were a change in damage (which i havent done, because that is more tideous than it should be)
Last week i reported this as a bug, but i havent heard or seen anyone else talking about it, so i was wondering if im just missing something crucial
Man blizzard let you do anything to unlock cosmetics except play the game and beat challenges…😔
They want you to interact with the shop. They don't really care about the game itself, the shop is their baby.
@@derbudz Yeah, so much so they cancelled Diablo 3 to force it into a game.
Great content as usual 👏🏽 I been playing this game longer than most Diablo I lol 😆, I am not one who just wants to complete the game. I want to experience it. Thanks again ICOMETH
Trying to reach 300 made me realize how extremely boring this game is. Pits literally make me fall asleep now.
How many Meph or Baal runs u able to do?
Yes
5:45 Yeah there is a lot of chase in the game now, I'm still chasing my first SCROLL OF ESCAPE in hardcore so i can have a DC protection because D4 is memory leaking every 1 to 2 hours and crashing, lost 2 characters because people say they drop their first scroll after 200 + paragons...I can't even get there because I die to crashes before that.
Not going lie, between ssason 4 to season 6, I feel like this season was slowed down a lot… unless I no-life the game and I can’t. I have a life and responsibilities outside of video games. And that suck I can’t game like I use too 10 plus years ago.
this is because every positive change was counterbalanced by some uncodumented bad change.
boss materials are more plentiful now than ever. and yet despite getting 5x more boss mats this season than in prior seasons, the drops are horrendously nerfed compared to what they were, so you need to farm 10x more bosses. which means boss farming is 2x as bad as it was previously, even though the dopamine of getting boss mats temporarily makes you think you're winning. no, no you're not. you're losing. just one example of 5+ I could give.
What are you talking about. Season 5 was the easiest to get max level.
Season 6 I think is the only season where it had gotten slower, but it is not by much, as the "goal" for max level is more or less paragon 200. The last 100 levels gives you almost no power, and is just there as a small carrot for the blasters out there. There is ZERO reason to go for paragon 300 other than the achievement of it.
you finished your char in season 4 and 5 in around 2 weeks and now it takes way longer because everyone complained. Now the grinding to 300 is entirely optional and people still complain.
We are only 3 weeks into a 3 months season... be happy that there is a long term achievement now. If you dont like doing that, your char is 99% finished between paragon 200 and 250 which only takes around 50h. (0.5h per day in 3 months)
For those who like Paladin offensive Auras (like me, hope they'll do it for the next Character here "Crusader" lol)
Don The clown made a Spiritborn (not sure if he's the first still) With a Scourge Aura and enemies just EXPLODE!! Yay!!
Feels like Righteous Fire (Watch your HP drain) or the lvl 62 Death Aura Chest piece in PoE..
I'm having fun again!
Diablo 5 when
Diablo 5 will be free to play on mobile phones. You have a mobile phone, don’t you? 😂
@@GiggaVegaI don’t have a mobile phone, actually, I’m writing this comment on my Cray supercomputer
I did paragon level 300 by running pit 80 in 60-90s time on spiritborn evade build, listening to podcasts or twitch streamers playing Diablo 4. It was a decent experience since evade build is the most relaxing one of all to play. It took me 264h to reach it, but I was sightseeing the expansion until I was paragon 250 and decided to speed up my farm.
It's like a double edge sword in a sense. You don't hit level 100 in a day and sit in boredom, but yet now it takes absolutely forever to max level. I myself, absolutely hate the pit, then being forced to run it over and over for efficient leveling is a huge turn off. I've already wrote off the season. On to BO6 and eventually POE2.
All they need to do for aspects is basically add them to the pool for things to have "greater affix" then it could basically roll as GA aspect at 21. I feel like that's a fairly easy solution
Played till level 100 max paragon season 5 ( where I felt powerful )
Made it to level 45 and have put it down.
There isn't much to do, game feels like a chore considering how weak my character feels.
Guess ill check out next season.
You don't really get much power from paragon levels after 200 anyway. It's basically a question of: are you playing spiritborn? Then you get to one shot everything on Torment 4 with an unoptimized build and nowhere near maxed out gear. You're playing another class, the peasants? You can eventually reach torment 4 after you have several mythic uniques, maxed out boards, and optimized gear. But you won't be one shotting anything.
Diana has finished the season 100% everything, she is just getting a few codex dungeons finished, she has seen the piebald panther and is blasting to paragon 300.. Ive reminded her that when I pushed D2 from 98 to 99 it took me 2 weeks.. her reply "thats you, Im better than you".... Have a great week CJ!
lol I have a bunch of characters that are level 80-100 with a total of 221 paragon levels… but I have been playing since day 1 with 800 hrs in.
Thats insane...I hope you at least let some sunshine into your house
800 hours in but only 221 paragon? What have you been doing?
lol this is literally not possible there isn’t even 800 hours in a month and the season hasn’t been out for a month yet
As a casual I'm already done with D4 s6 with PL262 (maybe forever when PoE2 is out).
There is no point to reach 300. Playing the most OP class at paragon 175 i was able to clear all T4 content including Higher Pits. At paragon 245 without single glyph I was able to clear t90 and no upgrades.
Only an Achievement plus a mount, for those that are into it. Seems you're not, which is fine as well.
Learning about this was quite demotivating. Already finished the season stuff and got the title. I considered lvl 300 as the final goal to finish the season initially, thus I haven't really felt like playing anymore since learning about the insane exp curve. I have played quite a bit and am at 238ish right now, playing an SB and DoK rogue, but I CBA to speedrun pits for that long as it's just mind-numbing to be honest. An average playstyle (not limited to tons and tons of braindead pit runs) should at least be able to come close to the cap.
I also find it is quite hard or near impossible to find upgrades for my gear without actively trading gear and runes to make those required billions. I really don't care for this at all, and I stopped bothering with this as well.
The aspect thing is just plain annoying as well. I did find a max moonrise and duelist, but by that time I got bored with my SB and switched to a rogue.
I’ve got to stay off the internet I just don’t agree with people these days. I almost never support any nerf unless it’s breaking the game or ruining my fun. I’ve been playing daily since launch and this whole time I’ve never played a build that was so strong it needed to be nerfed. I’ve certainly never effected anyone else’s game. I’ve been struggling to get mythics, fully masterwork gear, solo torment bosses and last season was stuck at horde level 6 both 7 and 8 were so far out of reach. Some of us need the overtuned spirit born just to feel strong and feel like we have a chance to get further into the end game.
Always Nerf Barbarians, they are just butt sniffers!
huge fan of the hard to get max aspects, they're super valuable to trade/sell now. I sold a max roll quill volley for 3 billion.
Was Rob using XP exploits to hit 300? They just patched some didn't they? And unfortunately, they tied platinum trophy to paragon 300 on consoles.
no, thousands of player got to 300 already, you need around 100-150h for it. You just need to exp farm efficiently. Around 70pits for the last level (1min runs, 1min downtime, only 140minutes for it)
@@vorik_gat exactly what level are you running pits in one minute?!?
@@L0ST31D0L0N you obviously need a speed build like evade, crushing hands, jaguar or rebound quill to speedfarm in one minute. You can't get that speed with quill mystic circles or any other pit pushing build.
Even if you need 2min for the pit run and you still take a 1min downtime after each run, the last level only takes 210min/3.5h still.
Leveling speed is just fine, i mean we are 3 weeks into a 3 month season. A lot of players already are 300 and most of the others are somewhere above 200 at least.
Still something entirely optional... nobody needs paragon 300
@@vorik_g I'm running Crushing Hand. I just finished a pit 115 and it wasn't a one minute run... Not eveny 65 is a one minute run... That's what the hell I'm saying is what level is a one minute run? And I'm at p250...
@@L0ST31D0L0N you obviously dont speed farm your paragon levels on 115, 100-105 is where you will get the most exp per minute
Yeah I hit 252 between a Barb and Spiritborn, and I'm done, not going to bother trying to get to 300, maybe next Season or maybe not, who knows.
What else are you going to do for 3 months? There’s nothing left to do but paragon
Make a new character... play a different game...
@@EctopicFlatusno,I will continue playing,and continue coping and continue complaining...don't tell me how to live my life
Join a gym? Start a business? Plenty to do. Yall need to touch grass. Quit the addiction
I think I like this paragon curve. A.) there is a cap, so they don't have to design encounters for people who have infinite paragon levels. B.) it takes a long time to reach cap, that keeps blasters interested. C.) you don't start hitting the hardest levels till your already well over 200 so the hardest stuff in the game isn't out of reach for the regular person.
Use to be you didn't even try the end game stuff till you were 100 and that get's boring just grinding till 100 then starting your loot hunt. Now you can start your loot hunt much earlier and still have times after you get some gear you go blast out some experience as well. Variety is what will keep people interested.
Tempering is going to make stop playing this game indefinitely. And I don’t want to do that . Tempering rng sucks bad. Stop taking players choice away we should be able to choose a tempering. Give us more build options instead of locked in one way to build
@@Titus.The_Crucifieronly downside is, it only allows to reset once
@@Titus.The_Crucifier Scroll only makes you break same item twice.
@@Titus.The_Crucifier Items I broke were actually due to not getting that roll no matte the value. You are right, it's definetly not healty to take this games odds seriously when it can give you exact same thing 7 times in a row.
@@Titus.The_Crucifier The tempering/enchanting/masterworking is still horrible even with the scrolls. I still consistently get the same useless roll 4 times in a row. That should NEVER happen. All the gambling aspects of this game are complete crap.
It would be a good idea for ancestrals to only be able to roll level 17-21 of an aspect, since ancestrals are so much more rare than before.
Also, I wish the realmwalkers would spawn more frequently in Nahantu, since that's the only place we can get the opals to get more socketables.
this is a good thing, remember not being able to get to 99 in d2? makes it worth something
I really like the fact that aspects only go beyond 16 on ancestral items. This gives me something extra to chase in the end-game. But I would want that x/21 number to be on the item as well for that ermahgerd-moment when you get a 20 or 21 out of 21 item. And if above 16 the number should be another color.
There will never be a point when people don't complain about SOMETHING
Thankfully making paragon 300 isn’t a make or break to the gameplay or progression. It has a carrot on a stick and that’s good door blasters. Overall I’m enjoying the expansion a lot
I just wish it wasn't a trophy on ps5
At 100 hours of playtime I was about 240. Idk seems fine.
Youre not even half way there...
@@MrWwoww123 no your right, im done for the season lol.
Understandable. You'd need 1000 hours for lvl 300 xD@@seanheisey8645
I’m at a level of paragon 272 and it seems like it takes an entire 12 hour day of grinding to get one paragon level, pretty exhausting.
What if you just play the game and then suprise sometimes you ding and get a new level? Or maybe it's just too boring to just play it for fun?
Lol, showing 16/16 but you can actually get 21/16 is very stupid. It would be outright lying.
Don't play SB and tell me not having max aspects doesn't matter. These dev simps man. I can't stand how many industry plants we have to deal with now. Never paid a dime on the game yet tell us what we should think. E.A.D.
@@natel7382 This is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. Who is telling you what to think? He made a suggestion.... that I think is stupid personally. But that doesn't make him an "industry plant". Smh, go back to your conspiracy subreddit my guy.
@@IMrAverage You can dispute anything I say but when the dev flies you out and gives you collector boxes, you aren't going to then turn around and say anything negative to not get another trip out again. What do you think they are doing by having a YT video about a certain game? Telling us not to play it? I swear society in general can't think for themselves. 90 percent of people are followers, and it shows.
Look at your ignorant reply. CT subreddit? You do realize the term CT was made up by the CIA to discredit anyone talking about JFK? LOL Wtf, are you really saying we don't have industry plants? Lol I wish I could be as ignorant, but I'm not that stupid, sorry.
@@natel7382 No he's right about that, you don't NEED it. I also think it's fine to progress as much as you like and get 90% of the way and then if you're not having fun farming the rest of 10% it's fine go play something else. But modifying the UI to not show the extra levels seems like a very insulting to players' intelligence and wouldn't even solve the problem. Most people will know there's higher levels and would want them regardless if the UI is lying to them that aspect is maxed.
@@mst4705 you clearly haven't played any other class. And I have plenty of legendary that have max aspects but because they aren't ancest when you scrap it doesn't show 100%. It's just a dogwater way to get players retention for the data vacuum that is d4.
Is the reward for paragon 300 changing every season or can i tackle it another season instead? Kind of stopped playing this season but that trophy looks clean.
300 isnt neded. Most of the power is reached at 220 lvls.
Tell bone spear that
I have not had this problem with rawhide and so on for mats , are people rerolling Everything or just selling all the gear they find instead of salvage their items but i have no problem in having enough mats
That's because there's been not one, but two hotfixes to increase their rates.
Year i have literally thousands of pretty much all crafting materials and save for the very beginning, i never had any shortages. The only shortages i ever had were angelbreath (because of potion upgrades) and forgotten souls (until my first tormented helltide run)
Diablo4 just feels boring tbh.
I love the Paragon progression. It a well struck compromise from the old D4 Version, and the older D3 Version.
Way tooo fuckin long...im barely 260 and already getting slightly bored lol
I'm 258 and done for the season, I'm as powerful as I'm gonna get. 130 pit as crushing hand.
I’m also going to give up, I’m 261 and just did a pit150 …. Nothing more for me to do other then run pit 100 to reach 300
Just youtube the best build. 😂
Hey, just come back when there's events. You'll have extra stuff to do.
I got bored of d4 after 40 hours. How in the world all you all still playing?
Still hate the paragon system.
Just like 99 in Diablo 2.. Exactly. I've played since 2000 and never had a 99 character.. not even at the easy days of 1.08 or 1.09 mainly because I hopped back to classic where leveling was still "hard".
But most characters were done around 85 .. definately at 90. In current game it is fairly easy to get 93-95 after which it gets actually very slow.
I always liked the fact that you have some levels to gain rather than being stuck at max level.
And WHY is that a problem? You're not supposed to reach it easily, that's the whole point.
This is a non-issue that only clueless casuals cry about.
The power difference between 250 and 300 is basically non-existent.
totally agree. it does suck that theres not really any benefits of reaching 300. so grinding for it doesnt really feel rewarding
Easy now! I am super casual…I think my character should START at 300, and every time I get whacked by a boss my level drops. When I get my brakes beaten off enough, I can start to raise my level again.
By that time the season is over and D5 will be in development.
If the point of it is not impactful then it shouldn’t exist. Both paragon and glyph progress are poorly designed player experiences which turn off players simply because, as you said, there isn’t an in game, quantitative difference for them.
Both should be attainable for a casual player. Both should be something a casual can do twice in a season so it offers them the opportunity, in season, to try out a different class. Paragon shouldn’t carry over to another seasonal character. It should just be part of your build growth.
Nothing else in this game is this dumb and as a business decision, you should never create a system which makes people want to quit playing the game.
@@SadSackGamingagreed. In D3, your paragon is an indicator of your rising power or new levels attained. The paragon in D4 - with the boards and all that - are cool to look at, but a content creator would be of help showing a paragon plus character with no paragons spent, then juxtapose that same toon in the same dungeon or helltide with the paragons in play.
It would allow a player - casuals in particular - to see the actual benefit of what those paragons can do.
Or did I miss that video somewhere?
would love to see with the gem fragments that once you got max lvl gems you could get one last upgrade that cost a huuuge amount of fragments that makes that one gems stat spread to your other equipped items at 50% effect making it sort of legendary/magical powered
I think it'd be nice if we could salvage duplicate uniques to upgrade said unique aspect. So that way 4 GAs don't get salvaged, and there's a greater purpose for these spare uniques. Also, low-key don't like that bosses "only" drop uniques. My crafting materials are never low
I've not understood why whispers do not stack, this would solve the issue of running back there over and over again.