i'd play ft50s in this game all day but i'd probably have people calling me and saying i'm missing when they realize i've been gone for 48 hours playing cvs2
footsies sagat is almost mesmerizing in its execution. every time someone complains about new games not having honest footsies anymore i can't help but think they envision something like cvs2 C-sagat putting in work. by the way i hate blanka fuck blanka
It's fascinating just how much older fighing games are broken but we never cared that much about it simply because of just how much fun these games are. Great video from start to finish, well done!
thanks, I think old games have just as much if not more merit than new games. If you learn to just remove yourself from complaining that something is broken to learning how to counter it, you will improve as a player significantly especially in your ability to adapt to your environments.
A lot of older fighting games were broken because they weren't specifically designed to eliminate all possible jank like newer ones and thus were much more free form. They're deathly afraid of spending millions on a fresh new fighting game and 1 singular broken mechanic completely pushing away every single player. Just look at MvCI and how it was treated even though it was generally a good game and had functional online.
Pretty much. Old games were made to prioritize looking good and playing good, obviously they had QA testing to eliminate some glitches and bugs but if one showed up, it wasn't the end of the world.
yea nobody's commented on the 30min runtime which is longer than any other "X is broken" vid to my knowledge. That's good tho, it means the video was consistently engaging and there were very few dull moments.
the fact I only see gameplay and rarely see the tech explained of this game made it really interesting all the way through, was both engaging and a learning experience to someone who doesn’t know much about this game xd
Yeah it is kinda odd. You'd think with how much combos have evolved these days it would become more of a widespread thing. Maybe I'm just living under a rock.
@@jay_cvs2 I know that nowadays, if the actual move name is too unwieldy people will use a nickname. Like Linne’s fireball in UNI is called kuuga cuz she says kuuga everytime she throws it, a lot of DBFZ moves ended up with names from other games because the in game names are very unwieldy. I’ll try and think of more but those are the main ones that stand out to me.
@@onkarlally All of Nagoriyuki's *and* Bed's moves in Strive have nicknames due to the Japanese and low-level computer theming respectively. Both of them have a "spin/beyblade" move, funnily enough.
i guess if i had to include an explanation, if you tiger knee his air wave post activate, you can get it before the opponent can poke out. it's only practical in the corner but it's still dangerous
I am a Nako Main, You forgot you can cheese out the timer. If you are about to lose by a small amount of HP due to the timer. If the Heal goes off before timer you will continue to heal after the timer reaches 0, it will play out the whole animation.
it is a neat quirk, i just didn't include it because it slipped my mind. you won't get to use it much, since time outs are quite uncommon in cvs2 but its something
She can also roll cancel it for an invincible heal that last for what, 27 frames? Not the heal, the invincibility; you can start it 27 frames before the clock runs out & she's untouchable while gaining health.
Update: Now with the collection coming out you better get out your old math notebook and take some notes cuz you might see most of this tech being used so don't get washed up online when the time comes.
This is still my favorite fighters to this day. Still got my ps2 launch copy. This is one of those games you just never trade in or sell. DC copy of MVC2 as well. People always ask what is the best fighting game of all time. It just depends on you really. Some say 3S, others say CvS2, while others will say MVC2. Mine will always be CvS2, MVC2 being my second. But those 2 are are completely different games as far mechanics go. I'm just glad we so many great fighters to choose from.
To me CvS2 is the GOAT fighting game as well, but that is a highly subjective title. Having the PS2 launch copy is really cool, all I can lay claim to is having a launch title of mario kart wii in 2008
i played quite a bit of cvs2 and i didn't even know about some of these interactions, great video jay btw the combo orochi Iori gets at 22:25 is a reference to kof95 Iori when that was his stable
Yeah I went all out and gave out some very obscure knowledge so now everyone can know it. I do know about the 95 O.Iori combo properties, but I probably should have mentioned it outright.
i felt like releasing all the obscure knowledge i have of this game to the public. they deserve to know about the nuance of this game just as much as i do
Grooves are actually super simple if you understand the reference. They take how meter works in different games from SF and KoF/SamShow Like how K- Groove is how SamShow meter works. If I remember correctly the list is C - Alpha A-ism A - Alpha V-ism P - SF3 S - King of Fighters 94 N - King of fighters 98 K - Samurai Showdown No, nobody understands why they decided to make K the one that doesn't come from a King of Fighters game or why the one that takes from A-ism isn't A.
This is the best fighting game explanation video i have ever watched. It was so hard to watch the demonstrations and reading the text at the same time, because i didn't want to miss anything! Easy to understand, clearly explained, truly a work of love. Not to mention the SO NEEDED camaraderie from a fighting game lover to the viewers, both beginners and veterans alike. Fighting game players should ALWAYS be like that. Thank for this amazing video! You got a subscriber, my friend!
thanks for the kind words. at the end of the day this video was just made to spread the gospel of cvs2, and show off some good content. i do think that i have a obligation to make the viewer feel a little more included and not feel gate kept from cvs2 especially on a knowledge dump video like this.
“While RCs are broken, they’re just a thing you have to accept to enjoy the game competitively.” Kid named CvS2 EO: Edit: i know noone plays it competitively, but they COULD and thats what irks me
Fantastic vid. I love this game and I'm glad see it get some love. Your comedic timing is amazing and your execution is disgusting, I had to stop a few times and seriously consider whether or not you were using tools. The "fighting game is broken" videos are obviously popular and hit the algorithm, but I'm really glad to have found a channel that makes high quality cvs2 content. Subbed.
none of this was TAS, i don't even know how to work that shit. if i could i would make some neat combo videos. you'll see more cvs2 content from me in the future :)
@@jay_cvs2 Nah brah you'd be just fine without the TAS lmao. I knew you were legit, I just kinda had an existential crisis watching someone nail stuff that takes 5 more inputs and tighter links to make cvs2 not look like "footsies the game" I think my favorite random completely useless training mode cvs2 bs I've labbed is for G.Rugal's L2 kick super, if you can hit the demon input between the 3rd and 4th hit, you can get a meaty demon since you'll come out of hitstun while the grab is still active. It also looks really funny because the damage animation still plays and Rugal kinda just floats there waiting to hit the demon grab Looking forward to it my man :)
I was SO waiting for this. Ever Since People started doing things like "MvC2 is Broken" "Smash Bros Is Broken." I love CvS2. Not good at it. But I love it.
I felt like i knew enough about the game to make one and nobody else was gonna do it. I feel like cvs2 is shrouded in mystery to a lot of people in regards to the quirks it has, so i felt like sharing them in a condensed format for everyone.
I was 5 when I saw my uncles playing CvS2 and it got me into FGs. I still remember all the SFX, all the themes, all the special intros, and Hibiki has a dear place in my heart for being my first ever main. What a legendary game.
Back in 2001? I remember getting a ps2 for xmas, and with it I got this gem of a game. My world completely changed and I became a rabid fan of all fighting games. I hope we get a collection of these games!
You're pretty much the only person I've seen online who has something nice to say about roll canceling Every other oldhead I've met wants it gone lmao Great video
I'm no old head myself, I'm only 19. I don't think RCs ruin the game, if anything they can enhance it if you just lab against it (i.e. neutral jumping to beat sakura RC tatsu). Do I think they're broken? Yes, but at the end of the day, I also don't care, every game has that one thing that's hella broken.
Idk the old heads you're talking to, but plenty of us played this game at a really high level for a decade or more. RCs and all. They add a lot to the game, and if Capcom does ever get to a CvS2 re-release there will be a revolt if they try to take RCs out.
i generally have my programs on low volume, i forgot to increase the volume after exporting the project. if i can somehow edit this video to fix that then i will do that.
I really enjoyed watching thanks for putting in the time explaining all of the ins and outs of the game. This could've easily been a 3 part video series for sure I would love to see a video explaining CvS2 EO as well maybe titled "CvS2EO is Not Broken" but anyways just a thought.
A video that details the differences between EO and normal in depth is actually a pretty good idea, I'll consider doing that. Maybe not in the same format as this one but I'm sure many people want to know why we don't necessarily play or even respect EO as much.
When I worked at the tilt as an arcade mechanic..... I used to play this shit all day, it's funny you mention Chang because one of the best players I ever seen used s groove with Terry, Chang and fucking rolento, it was magic to watch to say the least, I play vice hibiki, and Chun-Li
S-Terry Chang Rolento... That's an odd team. Do you remember the player's name? I know a lot about old and new top players alike and the only top player I can see using a team like that is 178 from Japan. Cool story ✌️
As someone who is 20 and has only been into trad fighting games for about only 5 years or so, it speaks volumes that someone like me considers this one of their favorite fighting games. Ever since i started playing the genre cvs2 has always been one of my favs. So imagine my shock when i went to CEO last year and saw they had a cvs2 bracket and then for the first time i started seeing roll canceling and shit, I was in awe! I never looked up advanced tech because i thought no one ran tourneys offline anymore for this game. To see there was more to this game that i loved was so fucking cool! Then a few days ago as we all know they annouced the rerelease and i lost my shit (in my head of course i was at work lol) In that year since i first saw some of the advance tech cvs2 had to offer it went from not just one of my favorite fighting games, it went to one of my favorite games period and for there to finally be a rerelease on modern platforms and steam especially makes me so god damn happy!
i would say this video barely scratches the surface for dramatic effect but this covers a ton of obscure tech. i'm also just as elated to hear about the rerelease announcement.
for games like alpha 2, kof 98 or really any fbneo game it's great but flycast just isn't something i like using in particular and that's the emulator fightcade uses.
I grew up with the GameCube version and despite that ports questionable inputs i love it to this day, my absolute favorite fighting game. When i moved back to California i showed it to my cousin who also loves fighting games but he was never a big SF fan but LOVED KoF and meanwhile i loved SF but never played much KoF, he was blown away by the roster and we both played it constantly, we bought every version we could try just to see the differences. An absolute masterpiece, its a shame there's no modern port yet
it really is a shame there's no modem port. even though the community (myself included) loves to rag on the gamecube port, i gotta take into account that people legit grew up playing it and there's no problem with that, the more people who play this game the better. i feel like your cousin liking KOF and you liking SF and bonding over this game is like exactly what capcom thought of when they did this crossover lol
tip for the future, read your captions out loud to gauge how long they need to stay on screen. That's a good way to know how much time a viewer needs to read the information on screen and intuit all of it before more info is thrown at them.
Ah my beloved. my favorite "broken" aspect of cvs2 is morrigan's ambiguous cross up mk. You can even press hk instead to wiff and land with a grab. Good times.
yea morrigan's section was mainly to both highlight morrigan's insane mixup potential, but also how much she falls off when she loses run. like she goes from tournament viable upper mid tier to unviable low tier dumpster fire with one singular change.
My favourite genre of youtube, well produced in depth videos about games i've never heard of, how lovely. Also, what's the name of the song during the Sagat section, it sounds tranquil af
fighting games are beautiful because you'll have an entire community pissing and shitting themselves over a move that looks completed innocuous to the average viewer but that's just how the genre is
I hope/wis that all these Collections we have been getting would have updates or balance patches to improve and give new blood to these games. I do hope CVS gets a ReRelease. And if CVS3 gets developed it carryes a bit of the Music Vibe CVS2 at least like the NY Stage.
I dont think CvS2 needs a balance patch to thrive but it would be interesting to see how one could fix some issues it has. I only really care for a CvS2 rerelease at this point, I'm too addicted to it
As someone who actually has the PS2 verison of CVS2 on my PS3 and plays copious amount of Evil Ryu, he is a ton of fun and a shame we won't see his true potential in tournaments. That Hyper SF2 style tatsu, man... it's just so much fun to use. That and the fact he is quite fun when paired with the console-exclusive EX groove systems that allow for canceling all specials into supers and chain combos. god, i love the PS2 version so much. Least it isn't EO.
@@illgeteverythingback I was about to say "just remaster one of the past ones" Then I forgot Capcom actually listened up and we are having Project Justice again🥴❤️ If my only issue is the lack of crossplay... Oh well, at least is multi-plat
i knew this vid would blow up, my goal was simply to show off high lvl knowledge to casual audiences and i think i've done that, but if some big names can see this as well than i guess im down for that.
For me, who started playing fighting games with Street Fighter 4, this game is the same thing as the latest one. I appreciate very much that you share your strategies with us.
Men this was THE blast when I used to play it. Among the few games I managed to play a lot But ok I sucked a lot and didn't know like 99% of everything lmao
The algorithm brought this to me after the Capcom FGC vol. 2 reveal As someone with a family and a full-time job now compared to when this first came out I am now *less* hyped for the rerelease because of this video single-handedly 🙁 I don't have many friends to play with IRL (and the ones I do are REALLY into fighters who will proceed to smoke me after a couple matches), and I'm gonna get creamed online from not having the time to learn this insane meta
21:02 I’d argue that K-Nako R1 is the way to go for using Healing. You get a knockdown from throw or H Mamahaha, and immediately do Healing and you’re getting back close to half your health back. Occasionally, and usually only if your opponent decides to dump their own resources, you’ll get punished for it. Most cases, they’ll get one hit in, so you lose maybe 5-10% health after. Which fuels your next use of Healing again. Even if you’re going for the long round and don’t get much health back between rounds, repeated uses of the Healing makes up for it. And it’ll definitely do a ton of mental damage. 😂❤
One thing you're wrong about is Haohmaru's level 3 - in trades, the counter damage is insane, almost 80% right away. That means that if the opponent is locked onto any animation long enough, they'll be decimated by it. While situational, it's quite the frequent one...
it's hard to trade on a move with 42 frames of startup. most times you can easily just jump over it or just block it. in punish scenarios it can work, but that would mean something has to be -42 on block, or have 42 recovery frames, and the list of moves like that is short.
I'm actually new to this game even though it's from 20 years ago, but I thought grooves had the exclusive properties of their og games counterparts. I don't remember seeing a roll on A-ism or V-ism, which are the inspiration for C and A grooves. That's an SNK thing.
your opponent is upside down the entire round, unless you throw them. throw tech reversal in cvs2 is where the game just shits itself and gives you the most random ass outcomes
I feel if cacpcom were to rerelease it that roll cancels would be patched (some of the mvc2 glitches in the upcoming colloection already proved they will patch stuff). I wonder how much the meta would be shaken up if that happened
if RCs were removed and literally nothing else changed, i think top tiers still remain top tier. none of them get carried by RCs (maybe A-blanka but K-blanka is top tier as well) Additionally, low tiers would be even worse than they are for not having an option as powerful as RCs. I think the game would actually be more unbalanced, however if you're removing RCs you might as well fix the game in other ways like individually balancing characters.
I think CvS1 was the first fighting game to have a color maker but correct me if i'm wrong. They really didn't need to include a feature like that but it's really cool that they did. I sometimes quite enjoy making a bunch of custom palettes for my characters.
i think non-cvs2 players should know these more obscure details because it goes a long way. now you know there's more to the game's quirks and nuance other than roll cancels.
Glad you learned. My goal was primarily to show casual audiences all the nuances this game has. Some of the stuff I covered used to be only known by a few top players, but with this video I hope the casual audiences appreciate this game a little more.
This game spoiled me so much that I thought I was good at fighting games, cut to yesterday, I was playing fight cade, kof 97 I got beat so bad I generally lost all desire to play video games that day instead got drunk and listened to Johnny cash. Idek anyways nice video 😂😂
For such a powerful tech a lot of people I've seen use K-Groove, which has no defensive movement options at all. The most common RC Groove seems to be A. Also I never knew your Groove dictated your guard meter...
K-groove offensively is so OP that it makes up for having no real defensive options outside of Just Defend. I would say the most common RC groove is a tie at all levels of play between C/A-groove imo, but at the absolute highest level of play A-groove has the edge. K and P groove have low guard meter (P is 80%, K is 90%), and other grooves have normal guard meter.
More busted crap like: roll super (Sagat level 2 safe, Yamazaki level 2s true 50/50), cross-up Level 3 Blanka super, Cammy canceling her Level 3 off s.HK whiff puninsh, linking her Level 3 after close s.HP (+10)/far s.HP (+9)/cr.MP (+7), or link close s.HP into s.HK xx Level 3, A-groove Claw in general
oh yea if i mentioned every little detail and nugget of knowledge i know about cvs2 this video would be less like 30 minutes and more like 30 hours. there's so much to know about this game.
I am not sure what the S. Akuma vs Sagat match-up is, but I will say landing the infinite against Sagat with S. Akuma is so satisfying since Sagat is such a powerful character. I do hope that there would be a tournament that allows the boss characters to be used just to say what they would be like in the highest level. Who knows, maybe their low health really is a good way to balance them and they probably won't be top tier...
shin akuma's depressing health means that he literally dies in like 2 touches. While double air fireballs is incredibly busted, Sagat can afford to eat them, shin akuma cannot afford to eat anything.
@@jay_cvs2 true. However, if shin Akuma does land the double air fire ball, it's already gg for Sagat since it is a pretty easy infinite to pull off but I imagine that it's not gonna be easy to get to that position against a good sagat player since one mess up and shin Akuma is dead
If Zangief was a better character I feel like people would be mad about it, like how he is being treated right now in SF6. Sad really, his pixel model looks the best compared to any of his 3D models but doesnt seem like any of them are good lol
I played the fuck out of this game as a teenage arcade rat, & I still love it. Definitely still one of the best crossover games ever, & the soundtrack is awesome
THE PEOPLE DEMAND PC CVS2
Do you mean CvS Arcade Collection...
@@MaycolGamer026Obviously
I mean if you’re on pc, you can you know. Pretty easily. But I get what you mean
IT BETTER NOT BE EO CAPCOM DO NOT FUCK IT UP
you mean fightcad ?
After seeing this, CvS2 should be 4/7 all the way through.
(Good stuff bro!)
lmao my man volunteered us for 2 year long 8 man brackets lmao
i'd play ft50s in this game all day but i'd probably have people calling me and saying i'm missing when they realize i've been gone for 48 hours playing cvs2
"BAS was later found dead at the stick aged 92. He had been playing in the EVO 2025 Community Showcase Capcom vs SNK 2 tournament for fifty years."
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN LMAO
HOLY SHIT GUILDWINQUOTE FROM UA-cam CHANNEL WWW.UA-cam.COM/GUILEWINQUOTE
CvS2 is why people expect Sagat to be top tier in every game, and why people hate it whenever Blanka is top tier in any game
footsies sagat is almost mesmerizing in its execution. every time someone complains about new games not having honest footsies anymore i can't help but think they envision something like cvs2 C-sagat putting in work. by the way i hate blanka fuck blanka
* cough cough * SF6
Facts lol!
I’m glad I’m not alone in my Blanka hate
Street fighter 2 is why people expect sagat to be top tier. Most street fighter fans don’t even know CVS2 exists, never mind casuals.
It's fascinating just how much older fighing games are broken but we never cared that much about it simply because of just how much fun these games are.
Great video from start to finish, well done!
thanks, I think old games have just as much if not more merit than new games. If you learn to just remove yourself from complaining that something is broken to learning how to counter it, you will improve as a player significantly especially in your ability to adapt to your environments.
@@jay_cvs2agreed 100%. This is a mentality that is unfortunately lost in this newer generation
A lot of older fighting games were broken because they weren't specifically designed to eliminate all possible jank like newer ones and thus were much more free form. They're deathly afraid of spending millions on a fresh new fighting game and 1 singular broken mechanic completely pushing away every single player. Just look at MvCI and how it was treated even though it was generally a good game and had functional online.
Pretty much. Old games were made to prioritize looking good and playing good, obviously they had QA testing to eliminate some glitches and bugs but if one showed up, it wasn't the end of the world.
@@jay_cvs2 More like if one showed up and it was useful, the testers kept it for themselves until tournament time.
That might be the most comprehensive CvS2 video I've ever watched. And I don't usually watch half-hour long videos.
yea nobody's commented on the 30min runtime which is longer than any other "X is broken" vid to my knowledge. That's good tho, it means the video was consistently engaging and there were very few dull moments.
@@jay_cvs2 Absolutely. Plenty of good technical info mixed with high quality shitposting. Well done.
the fact I only see gameplay and rarely see the tech explained of this game made it really interesting all the way through, was both engaging and a learning experience to someone who doesn’t know much about this game xd
@@jay_cvs2Finished washing the dishes that I've been accumulating since Friday. My favorite fighting game of all time. CvS3 must happen.
@@jay_cvs2yessirrr
It’s sad that we don’t give combos names like “paint the fence” and “shou shou” anymore. Fantastic vid btw
Yeah it is kinda odd. You'd think with how much combos have evolved these days it would become more of a widespread thing. Maybe I'm just living under a rock.
@@jay_cvs2 I know that nowadays, if the actual move name is too unwieldy people will use a nickname. Like Linne’s fireball in UNI is called kuuga cuz she says kuuga everytime she throws it, a lot of DBFZ moves ended up with names from other games because the in game names are very unwieldy. I’ll try and think of more but those are the main ones that stand out to me.
@@onkarlally All of Nagoriyuki's *and* Bed's moves in Strive have nicknames due to the Japanese and low-level computer theming respectively.
Both of them have a "spin/beyblade" move, funnily enough.
There was the Guile “prisoner combo” in SFV.
I love how the Todo CC is just self-explanatory. Fantastic work!
i guess if i had to include an explanation, if you tiger knee his air wave post activate, you can get it before the opponent can poke out. it's only practical in the corner but it's still dangerous
@@jay_cvs2The character with O N E move able to do this is extremely funny to me
I am a Nako Main, You forgot you can cheese out the timer. If you are about to lose by a small amount of HP due to the timer. If the Heal goes off before timer you will continue to heal after the timer reaches 0, it will play out the whole animation.
it is a neat quirk, i just didn't include it because it slipped my mind. you won't get to use it much, since time outs are quite uncommon in cvs2 but its something
@@jay_cvs2 it happens a few times in my games pretty fun to do none the less.
She can also roll cancel it for an invincible heal that last for what, 27 frames? Not the heal, the invincibility; you can start it 27 frames before the clock runs out & she's untouchable while gaining health.
Just like the announcer said that he knows we'll be back, many will come back to rewatch this.
you get it
4:43 that reference, that damn reference 😂
at this point if someone doesn't get it then they ain't a fighting game fan
@@jay_cvs2 you are right 🤣
I don't get it
@@MaruMaruMaruMaruMaruMaruevo moment 37, Daigo VS Justin
@@Teto98 LMAO Oh, snap, I wasn't even paying attention!! I was too immersed in learning! Well played
Update: Now with the collection coming out you better get out your old math notebook and take some notes cuz you might see most of this tech being used so don't get washed up online when the time comes.
It's based on GC CVS 2 plus some settings to neturalize the roll cancel bug..
@@mr.redeyes2583 it has both the EO version and the original
This is still my favorite fighters to this day. Still got my ps2 launch copy. This is one of those games you just never trade in or sell. DC copy of MVC2 as well.
People always ask what is the best fighting game of all time. It just depends on you really. Some say 3S, others say CvS2, while others will say MVC2. Mine will always be CvS2, MVC2 being my second. But those 2 are are completely different games as far mechanics go. I'm just glad we so many great fighters to choose from.
To me CvS2 is the GOAT fighting game as well, but that is a highly subjective title. Having the PS2 launch copy is really cool, all I can lay claim to is having a launch title of mario kart wii in 2008
0:26-0:49
The intro to this is just 10/10!!
Also *GUESS WHAT JUST GOT CONFIRMED FOR A RE-RELEASE TODAY?!*
i played quite a bit of cvs2 and i didn't even know about some of these interactions, great video jay
btw the combo orochi Iori gets at 22:25 is a reference to kof95 Iori when that was his stable
Yeah I went all out and gave out some very obscure knowledge so now everyone can know it. I do know about the 95 O.Iori combo properties, but I probably should have mentioned it outright.
This video's super helpful since i was just about to go into cvs2 kinda blind without knowing how the mechanics and grooves truly worked lolll
i felt like releasing all the obscure knowledge i have of this game to the public. they deserve to know about the nuance of this game just as much as i do
YES DO IT, I love vids about tech from older fighting games!!
(shoutout to Dustloop and other wikis but my zoomer brain loves deep-dive videos)
Grooves are actually super simple if you understand the reference.
They take how meter works in different games from SF and KoF/SamShow
Like how K- Groove is how SamShow meter works.
If I remember correctly the list is
C - Alpha A-ism
A - Alpha V-ism
P - SF3
S - King of Fighters 94
N - King of fighters 98
K - Samurai Showdown
No, nobody understands why they decided to make K the one that doesn't come from a King of Fighters game or why the one that takes from A-ism isn't A.
Great video. I hope this one goes mainstream.
as long as it ain't too mainstream you feel me? but thanks glad u liked it
This is the best fighting game explanation video i have ever watched. It was so hard to watch the demonstrations and reading the text at the same time, because i didn't want to miss anything! Easy to understand, clearly explained, truly a work of love. Not to mention the SO NEEDED camaraderie from a fighting game lover to the viewers, both beginners and veterans alike. Fighting game players should ALWAYS be like that. Thank for this amazing video! You got a subscriber, my friend!
thanks for the kind words. at the end of the day this video was just made to spread the gospel of cvs2, and show off some good content. i do think that i have a obligation to make the viewer feel a little more included and not feel gate kept from cvs2 especially on a knowledge dump video like this.
My only nitpick on the video is that the text is flashed way too fast in places. I basically have to hover over the pause button to read it all.
future videos in this format should fix this... along with the audio being too quiet. i'm not a good video editor
@@jay_cvs2 I think you did just fine. Thanks for the video. =)
Watching the video at 0.75 speed helped a lot
“While RCs are broken, they’re just a thing you have to accept to enjoy the game competitively.”
Kid named CvS2 EO:
Edit: i know noone plays it competitively, but they COULD and thats what irks me
The only true erk that everybody has against CvS 1 & 2 are the recycled and out-of-place character sprites on the Capcom side.
i could do with a little less alpha sprites, and of course morrigan. but hey we did get really nice SNK character sprite sets so i can't be too mad.
Capcom really couldn't have SNK draw em some sprites?
@@yurifairy2969 SNK only gave them the license to use their characters. The development itself wasn't a collaborative effort by design.
I really wished you continued on your CvS2 Reimagining series again. I wanna see Iori in your style.
Unfortunately I don't really do that anymore. Mainly because I've moved onto developing a commercial IKEMEN fullgame.
Fantastic vid. I love this game and I'm glad see it get some love. Your comedic timing is amazing and your execution is disgusting, I had to stop a few times and seriously consider whether or not you were using tools.
The "fighting game is broken" videos are obviously popular and hit the algorithm, but I'm really glad to have found a channel that makes high quality cvs2 content. Subbed.
none of this was TAS, i don't even know how to work that shit. if i could i would make some neat combo videos. you'll see more cvs2 content from me in the future :)
@@jay_cvs2 Nah brah you'd be just fine without the TAS lmao. I knew you were legit, I just kinda had an existential crisis watching someone nail stuff that takes 5 more inputs and tighter links to make cvs2 not look like "footsies the game"
I think my favorite random completely useless training mode cvs2 bs I've labbed is for G.Rugal's L2 kick super, if you can hit the demon input between the 3rd and 4th hit, you can get a meaty demon since you'll come out of hitstun while the grab is still active. It also looks really funny because the damage animation still plays and Rugal kinda just floats there waiting to hit the demon grab
Looking forward to it my man :)
I was SO waiting for this. Ever Since People started doing things like "MvC2 is Broken" "Smash Bros Is Broken."
I love CvS2. Not good at it. But I love it.
I felt like i knew enough about the game to make one and nobody else was gonna do it. I feel like cvs2 is shrouded in mystery to a lot of people in regards to the quirks it has, so i felt like sharing them in a condensed format for everyone.
4:43 Opening the P-Groove section up THAT way, I see? Very clever.
it took me like 30 minutes to record me parrying that super. i'm sure it was well worth it
The only thing that would have made it better would be editing the people clapping.
You know you f up when Blanka is somehow top tier.
I was 5 when I saw my uncles playing CvS2 and it got me into FGs. I still remember all the SFX, all the themes, all the special intros, and Hibiki has a dear place in my heart for being my first ever main. What a legendary game.
Back in 2001? I remember getting a ps2 for xmas, and with it I got this gem of a game. My world completely changed and I became a rabid fan of all fighting games. I hope we get a collection of these games!
awesome. i found this game just by watching videos on youtube and taking a liking to it so i got nullDC and played it, fell in love instantly.
You're pretty much the only person I've seen online who has something nice to say about roll canceling
Every other oldhead I've met wants it gone lmao
Great video
I'm no old head myself, I'm only 19. I don't think RCs ruin the game, if anything they can enhance it if you just lab against it (i.e. neutral jumping to beat sakura RC tatsu). Do I think they're broken? Yes, but at the end of the day, I also don't care, every game has that one thing that's hella broken.
Idk the old heads you're talking to, but plenty of us played this game at a really high level for a decade or more. RCs and all. They add a lot to the game, and if Capcom does ever get to a CvS2 re-release there will be a revolt if they try to take RCs out.
Great ressource, thanks for putting the time in making this.
Why is the volume so low on the video?
i generally have my programs on low volume, i forgot to increase the volume after exporting the project. if i can somehow edit this video to fix that then i will do that.
I really enjoyed watching thanks for putting in the time explaining all of the ins and outs of the game. This could've easily been a 3 part video series for sure I would love to see a video explaining CvS2 EO as well maybe titled "CvS2EO is Not Broken" but anyways just a thought.
A video that details the differences between EO and normal in depth is actually a pretty good idea, I'll consider doing that. Maybe not in the same format as this one but I'm sure many people want to know why we don't necessarily play or even respect EO as much.
When I worked at the tilt as an arcade mechanic..... I used to play this shit all day, it's funny you mention Chang because one of the best players I ever seen used s groove with Terry, Chang and fucking rolento, it was magic to watch to say the least, I play vice hibiki, and Chun-Li
S-Terry Chang Rolento... That's an odd team. Do you remember the player's name? I know a lot about old and new top players alike and the only top player I can see using a team like that is 178 from Japan. Cool story ✌️
I don't remember man it was so long ago, he could have just been some after work warrior lmao
the after work warrior... the most dangerous fighting game player out there
Did you have privileges to set the machines to free play after hours?
@@mikeg2491 I had the keys
hype for the switch vers of this game!
My roflcopter goes
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shoutout to RDCWorld at 10:08 lmaoooooooo
Finally......... someone really knows ball
when i first heard it i was shocked lol
So, roll cancels just turn every special move into an invincible DP. Holy shit.
4:44 Can't talk about parries without the Evo moment lol
I also just wanted to show off my parry skills even though I suck at P groove in actual matches. I'm a C/S groove guy
As someone who is 20 and has only been into trad fighting games for about only 5 years or so, it speaks volumes that someone like me considers this one of their favorite fighting games. Ever since i started playing the genre cvs2 has always been one of my favs. So imagine my shock when i went to CEO last year and saw they had a cvs2 bracket and then for the first time i started seeing roll canceling and shit, I was in awe! I never looked up advanced tech because i thought no one ran tourneys offline anymore for this game. To see there was more to this game that i loved was so fucking cool! Then a few days ago as we all know they annouced the rerelease and i lost my shit (in my head of course i was at work lol) In that year since i first saw some of the advance tech cvs2 had to offer it went from not just one of my favorite fighting games, it went to one of my favorite games period and for there to finally be a rerelease on modern platforms and steam especially makes me so god damn happy!
i would say this video barely scratches the surface for dramatic effect but this covers a ton of obscure tech. i'm also just as elated to hear about the rerelease announcement.
Such a well made video!!! I love playing this game, shame the lobbies on Fightcade are always empty...
I'm just waiting for a rerelease at this point. Fightcade is cool and all but it's not my favorite way to play.
@@jay_cvs2 really? Why not? I love Fightcade
for games like alpha 2, kof 98 or really any fbneo game it's great but flycast just isn't something i like using in particular and that's the emulator fightcade uses.
I grew up with the GameCube version and despite that ports questionable inputs i love it to this day, my absolute favorite fighting game. When i moved back to California i showed it to my cousin who also loves fighting games but he was never a big SF fan but LOVED KoF and meanwhile i loved SF but never played much KoF, he was blown away by the roster and we both played it constantly, we bought every version we could try just to see the differences. An absolute masterpiece, its a shame there's no modern port yet
it really is a shame there's no modem port. even though the community (myself included) loves to rag on the gamecube port, i gotta take into account that people legit grew up playing it and there's no problem with that, the more people who play this game the better. i feel like your cousin liking KOF and you liking SF and bonding over this game is like exactly what capcom thought of when they did this crossover lol
tip for the future, read your captions out loud to gauge how long they need to stay on screen. That's a good way to know how much time a viewer needs to read the information on screen and intuit all of it before more info is thrown at them.
You popped me with the RDCWorld Doc Rivers “You . . . are trash.”
you know ball
tiger cannon
tiger raid
Tiger robocop
Could be worse. Could be EX2/3's nigh instant one.
Ah my beloved. my favorite "broken" aspect of cvs2 is morrigan's ambiguous cross up mk. You can even press hk instead to wiff and land with a grab. Good times.
yea morrigan's section was mainly to both highlight morrigan's insane mixup potential, but also how much she falls off when she loses run. like she goes from tournament viable upper mid tier to unviable low tier dumpster fire with one singular change.
I'm here after the announcement lmao. THIS IS TRUE LOVE WE'RE MAKING
You should be glad Capcom didn't give Geese his Rashomon super.
K-Geese with Rashomon would have been a god damn nightmare lmao.
My favourite genre of youtube, well produced in depth videos about games i've never heard of, how lovely. Also, what's the name of the song during the Sagat section, it sounds tranquil af
it's called "fight with the wind" or just "windmill stage theme" colloquially
PAINT THAT FENCE! 🎨🎨🖌🖌
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WON!!!!!!!!!
9:00 I always love it when the best moves on a character are just the unassuming punch or kick and not the gigantic fireball or flying sword of doom
fighting games are beautiful because you'll have an entire community pissing and shitting themselves over a move that looks completed innocuous to the average viewer but that's just how the genre is
5:07 "My Fight Money is the Money that will pierce your guard meter."
-Balrog
I hope/wis that all these Collections we have been getting would have updates or balance patches to improve and give new blood to these games. I do hope CVS gets a ReRelease. And if CVS3 gets developed it carryes a bit of the Music Vibe CVS2 at least like the NY Stage.
I dont think CvS2 needs a balance patch to thrive but it would be interesting to see how one could fix some issues it has. I only really care for a CvS2 rerelease at this point, I'm too addicted to it
A roster so full of chars with unique and interesting tech and yet the meta of this game hovered around the same few characters
happens with every game that has a large roster. a lot of characters in this game are definitely tournament viable though.
Jay, this video is fucking amazing my friend. What an upload. You had me hooked from the start. Bravo bravo.
Thanks, 30 minutes and consistently engaging was something I didn't think I was capable of but this format kinda made it easy for me.
You cooked with this 🔥🔥🔥now I’m hyped to replay this
That was partially the goal, I do think I cooked with this one
8:41 gibbed
8:44 do the ice walk
8:47 so uhhhhh Seija
8:52 when the Kakyoin flashing lights turn on (and a checkmate on top)
Best CVS2 video I have ever seen in a very long time
Thanks. As someone who knows a thing or two about this game that was hopefully the impression I would leave.
As someone who actually has the PS2 verison of CVS2 on my PS3 and plays copious amount of Evil Ryu, he is a ton of fun and a shame we won't see his true potential in tournaments. That Hyper SF2 style tatsu, man... it's just so much fun to use. That and the fact he is quite fun when paired with the console-exclusive EX groove systems that allow for canceling all specials into supers and chain combos.
god, i love the PS2 version so much. Least it isn't EO.
Bruh, Kyosuke ain't been in no other game but this one and they hoed him bad. 😢
As the only Rival Schools rep, they could have done better.
@@jay_cvs2 At least the Japanese can eat with him. They cook with every character regardless of mechanics and tier.
with itsuno gone say gg to the possibility of anymore rival schools in the future
@@illgeteverythingback
Yeah though an SNK developed game might have a better chance to pick one of them.
@@illgeteverythingback I was about to say "just remaster one of the past ones"
Then I forgot Capcom actually listened up and we are having Project Justice again🥴❤️
If my only issue is the lack of crossplay... Oh well, at least is multi-plat
CvS2 is my favourite fighting game just ahead of SF4 and KOF '98. I play an N-Groove Ryo, Iori and Ryu because I'm a psychopath.
having ryu and ryo on the same team is like having steph and seth curry on the same basketball team. i respect it tho lol
Run -> cr.lp -> Run -> cr.lp
@@Friedafterbirth "Mom look I'm gonna win Battle by the Bay"
thats a good video hope max watches this on stream!
i knew this vid would blow up, my goal was simply to show off high lvl knowledge to casual audiences and i think i've done that, but if some big names can see this as well than i guess im down for that.
fantastic vid, I've been casually playing this game my whole life and it's nice to see all this stuff in action before the port comes out next year!
For me, who started playing fighting games with Street Fighter 4, this game is the same thing as the latest one. I appreciate very much that you share your strategies with us.
Thanks, I think some will find this knowledge dump useful, especially come the release of CFC2.
Great video, but please raise up the volume next time. For a moment I thought my speakers weren't working lol
yea i got that one a lot, idk how to edit videos post upload but if i find a way i'll get it fixed
Men this was THE blast when I used to play it. Among the few games I managed to play a lot
But ok I sucked a lot and didn't know like 99% of everything lmao
sometimes the best experiences you have in a fighting game are the ones where you don't know what you're doing and you're just having fun.
The algorithm brought this to me after the Capcom FGC vol. 2 reveal
As someone with a family and a full-time job now compared to when this first came out I am now *less* hyped for the rerelease because of this video single-handedly 🙁
I don't have many friends to play with IRL (and the ones I do are REALLY into fighters who will proceed to smoke me after a couple matches), and I'm gonna get creamed online from not having the time to learn this insane meta
4:43 obligatory "LET'S GO JUSTIN!!"
Heart warming video for the whole family, 10/10, would spam to my friends
your dad will be blown away when he finds out about hibiki's throw juggle CC
21:02
I’d argue that K-Nako R1 is the way to go for using Healing.
You get a knockdown from throw or H Mamahaha, and immediately do Healing and you’re getting back close to half your health back.
Occasionally, and usually only if your opponent decides to dump their own resources, you’ll get punished for it.
Most cases, they’ll get one hit in, so you lose maybe 5-10% health after.
Which fuels your next use of Healing again.
Even if you’re going for the long round and don’t get much health back between rounds, repeated uses of the Healing makes up for it.
And it’ll definitely do a ton of mental damage. 😂❤
One thing you're wrong about is Haohmaru's level 3 - in trades, the counter damage is insane, almost 80% right away. That means that if the opponent is locked onto any animation long enough, they'll be decimated by it. While situational, it's quite the frequent one...
it's hard to trade on a move with 42 frames of startup. most times you can easily just jump over it or just block it. in punish scenarios it can work, but that would mean something has to be -42 on block, or have 42 recovery frames, and the list of moves like that is short.
I'm actually new to this game even though it's from 20 years ago, but I thought grooves had the exclusive properties of their og games counterparts. I don't remember seeing a roll on A-ism or V-ism, which are the inspiration for C and A grooves. That's an SNK thing.
Was wondering why Sakura and Bison's combos were called ShoSho and Paint the Fence but quickly realized why
this was back in the day when certain combos had their own cool nicknames everyone knew.
10:30 Friday Night Fisticuffs will never be forgotten.
8:51 saving this point. lol, I've never seen this before. Game just gave up
your opponent is upside down the entire round, unless you throw them. throw tech reversal in cvs2 is where the game just shits itself and gives you the most random ass outcomes
This is the only game where Benimaru had a cool looking super give it some credit
Crazy to get this cool video and the Capcom FGC2 announcement in the same month 😅
I feel if cacpcom were to rerelease it that roll cancels would be patched (some of the mvc2 glitches in the upcoming colloection already proved they will patch stuff). I wonder how much the meta would be shaken up if that happened
if RCs were removed and literally nothing else changed, i think top tiers still remain top tier. none of them get carried by RCs (maybe A-blanka but K-blanka is top tier as well) Additionally, low tiers would be even worse than they are for not having an option as powerful as RCs. I think the game would actually be more unbalanced, however if you're removing RCs you might as well fix the game in other ways like individually balancing characters.
sagats portrait is a callback to the silent fart grin from street fighter 1
of all the portraits idk why nishimura referenced sf1 sagat but i guess they're both assholes in their respective games. she cooks with the art tho
2:33 *Melee port priority moment*
5:51 CC
Corner
Carry
XD
That Sho'ouken spam is hilarious
14:50
a decent bit of A-groove CCs are essentially 1 move spam (paint the fence, ken step kick, haohmaru heavy slash, etc) so sakura's definitely not alone
@@jay_cvs2 Yeah but Sakura's breaks your guard and does so much chip and essentially nearly the same damage as getting it!!!!
Excellent video, can't wait for Capcom Fighting Collection 2 😅
i mean it has a pallete maker which is neat
I think CvS1 was the first fighting game to have a color maker but correct me if i'm wrong. They really didn't need to include a feature like that but it's really cool that they did. I sometimes quite enjoy making a bunch of custom palettes for my characters.
Alright. You convinced me. I'm playing this.
We need the Capcom vs SNK collection for the love of God and then cvs3
Good shit. learned a lot!
i think non-cvs2 players should know these more obscure details because it goes a long way. now you know there's more to the game's quirks and nuance other than roll cancels.
This video was a great watch. As a casual I learned so much. I hope this comes to steam one day
Glad you learned. My goal was primarily to show casual audiences all the nuances this game has. Some of the stuff I covered used to be only known by a few top players, but with this video I hope the casual audiences appreciate this game a little more.
lmao I was watching this a few days ago and didn't even realize you were the one who posted it jay
if you see cvs2 content like this it's most likely made by me. that's pretty much all i'm doing with the channel now
This game spoiled me so much that I thought I was good at fighting games, cut to yesterday, I was playing fight cade, kof 97 I got beat so bad I generally lost all desire to play video games that day instead got drunk and listened to Johnny cash. Idek anyways nice video 😂😂
15:17 that bison(vega)'s combo looks very curious
(btw I think sound volume of this video is too low that I watched it with 100% PC volume)
For such a powerful tech a lot of people I've seen use K-Groove, which has no defensive movement options at all. The most common RC Groove seems to be A.
Also I never knew your Groove dictated your guard meter...
K-groove offensively is so OP that it makes up for having no real defensive options outside of Just Defend. I would say the most common RC groove is a tie at all levels of play between C/A-groove imo, but at the absolute highest level of play A-groove has the edge.
K and P groove have low guard meter (P is 80%, K is 90%), and other grooves have normal guard meter.
Deadly video. Great commentary too.
30 min is wild, what an amazing video
0:09 Capcum
More busted crap like: roll super (Sagat level 2 safe, Yamazaki level 2s true 50/50), cross-up Level 3 Blanka super, Cammy canceling her Level 3 off s.HK whiff puninsh, linking her Level 3 after close s.HP (+10)/far s.HP (+9)/cr.MP (+7), or link close s.HP into s.HK xx Level 3, A-groove Claw in general
oh yea if i mentioned every little detail and nugget of knowledge i know about cvs2 this video would be less like 30 minutes and more like 30 hours. there's so much to know about this game.
@@jay_cvs2 incoming part 2 why not?
I am not sure what the S. Akuma vs Sagat match-up is, but I will say landing the infinite against Sagat with S. Akuma is so satisfying since Sagat is such a powerful character. I do hope that there would be a tournament that allows the boss characters to be used just to say what they would be like in the highest level. Who knows, maybe their low health really is a good way to balance them and they probably won't be top tier...
shin akuma's depressing health means that he literally dies in like 2 touches. While double air fireballs is incredibly busted, Sagat can afford to eat them, shin akuma cannot afford to eat anything.
@@jay_cvs2 true. However, if shin Akuma does land the double air fire ball, it's already gg for Sagat since it is a pretty easy infinite to pull off but I imagine that it's not gonna be easy to get to that position against a good sagat player since one mess up and shin Akuma is dead
Your amazing keep up the good work.
If Zangief was a better character I feel like people would be mad about it, like how he is being treated right now in SF6. Sad really, his pixel model looks the best compared to any of his 3D models but doesnt seem like any of them are good lol
people get mad at good grapplers all the time, so yea if gief was good in this game he'd get hated on.
I played the fuck out of this game as a teenage arcade rat, & I still love it. Definitely still one of the best crossover games ever, & the soundtrack is awesome
It's the goat to me so I agree
Cant get tired of them videos