@LIONTAMER3D the only health point is the last one.Just treat your low health as your new max health. Much easier to get a perfect with infinite level 1 supers.
And yet, in professional play, it's considered the 'worst' groove because it has to deal with C-A-N roll cancel supremacy, K rage and Parry being better for reversal than the Spot dodge. But it's still so damn fun to see someone evaporate because they forgot you have infinite desperation super. CvS 2 is True Love.
And also that prior to desperation, you can only build up super by standing still and charging, and the only reasonable time to do this is after an opponent gets knocked down, which lets them get back up and basically resets to neutral.
Groove is definitely the worst considering lv1's do not have s + the limited feats the groove offers compared to others. It makes P-Groove look better even though that groove is also bad too on comp
The dodge mechanic is made inadequate due to roll cancel, meaning every groove with a roll is vastly superior due to the fact that they can turn any normal or special move completely invincible lol
@jp3813 I don't think you grasped my post: roll cancel is so grossly overpowered that any groove that doesn't feature the "roll" mechanic is patently unviable. S & P groove are non-viable. I don't think K is viable, but some people do because it can get off 2 lvl 3 supers in one round...like n groove does...and n groove has the roll mechanic...and n groove doesn't have to take damage to get supers (lol) C, A, and N are the only truly viable grooves.
Nice, i miss the videos that have this teaching/tutorial line. I find that a particular type of content that you learned to make very well. Its the details... the efficient explanation, not wordy, not overdone even to show very technical aspects at times, and the demonstration, the pacing, and of course the high level gameplay demonstrations and the great music.
I have NEVER seen that Sakura dodge animation at :32 as as a kid I almost elusively played C groove, not knowing the difference of any of those. This really makes me excited to go back and feel this game again!
The most legendary fighting game of all time. S-groove was never my jam but gotta respect it. Got owned by a few S-groove Hibiki players back in the day.
cool thematic transitions for the 4 clips starting from 2:42 Raiden (ends combo with his fire breath super) -> Dhalsim (also has a fire breath super) Rock (ends combo with his Buster Wolf) -> Terry (the guy who taught Rock that move) (I double checked and apparently Rock's version is called "Shine Knuckle", so I guess it's not _technically_ Buster Wolf... We all know where he got it from, though)
I remember using S-Groove a lot when I played this as a kid, since I didn't know anything about competitive play and just wanted to act out DBZ fantasies. Fitting that Goku is in there, then, ain't it? lmao
It's almost certain that charging up was invented for the genre by AOF based on DBZ after all. Im not sure if DBZ invented energy (Ki) charging but it was the series that popularized it anyway, and the most popular series doing that by the time of AOF (1992).
Today i decided to did two single arcade playthroughs with Orochi Iori & Sagat using the S groove. I bet the sub boss Geese, but didn't get any finest kos or get 1500 GPS so in both playthroughs i got regular Rugal as the boss so i decided to do playthroughs with Evil Ryu, Akuma & Rugal using the C & P grooves.
This video was so amazing. I barely knew about these mechanics (i use C and P groove mostly). I definetly want to jump back and mess around with S groove now!
Well its no wonderous thought that most CVS2 Pros tend to use P-Groove at mild times now that somebody like desk has shown what it is really all about. this was badass!
C is original sf groove 3 bars A is like alpha, custom combo P is like 3rd strike, parry S is video N is like kof expert mode K is like samsho with rage on damage taken.
@@deskcombo Actually, funny thing… I don’t know if you’ve ever been told this before, but I almost feel like it’s especially important that you credit the songs you’re using _because_ you’re a heck of a musician yourself: I know you’ve used your own music from time to time, so now, every time I notice you haven’t specified what the music is, I always just assume that it’s probably something you made. 😅
First off, whatever emulator you are using to play Cvs2 makes this game look INCREDIBLE @ 4K! The 3D backgrounds look AWESOME, so much better than the arcade/old console ports, plus the other visual effects like supers look DAZZLING! Then you got this FREAKIN' KICKIN' music track you're using while showing your awesome creative combos as usual! Great stuff Desk :D
..the number of 'likes' in ratio to the number of 'views' this video has is insane given the quality of the content..such a classic that keeps on bringing it!! #CvS2
Bro, I used to main S-Groove Rolento/Ryo/Zangief. I wasn't the best at my local arcade, but I always rocked newcomers until they learned to adapt to me 😆 best fighting game ever IMO
You call them alpha counters. I call them guard cancel blowback attacks. We are not the same. I mean, it's the S of SNK. Using the Capcom name for the mechanic was a little confusing at first.
CvS2 game adopted this system, which is an idea from SNK (but only Capcom made a version with 6 choices), to let you pick battle mechanics based on past fg references. And S Groove is loosely based on the early KOF games, and those games by their turn make direct references to Fatal Fury 2 (1992), which indeed has infinite supers when you have low hp. FF2 is probably the 2nd fighting game ever to have supers (the 1st was Art of Fighting) and it didnt have an actual meter yet... supers were only a low hp thing (which could be called the first comeback mechanic in history). So KOF 94 started with a meter system meant to combine ideas from Fatal Fury supers and Art of Fighting supers (the energy charge thing). That way you can use supers in two ways: charging up to the max, or at low hp... and in that 2nd case you have infinite supers. In the end its just a reference to a primitive "super" mechanic (again, 92, just 1 year after the invention of SF2) which was more or less natural for KOF 94 and even more to CvS2, that made the different grooves to celebrate the 2d fg history as a whole. KOF still made references to that old system in KOF 97 and 98, but after that it was abandoned.
@@carlosaugusto9821 S Groove is more like KoF 96 system, where you can spam lv1 supers and if you have a low health and Super bar full you can use a lv 3 super (in CPS system reference) and the Lv3 Super has a red shadow/glow on the character. Just adding up what you said above
@@AndreChaosweapon Yeah that can be said too. Mentioning 94 served to highlight that KOF started wanting the super meter system to make a double reference to FF and AOF, as the root of infinite supers is FF2 and the root of charging up is AOF. And i just tried to give more attention to those roots to show that its all very old stuff. S Groove is shaped by some ancient and primitive mechanics.
cvs2 Is still the GOAT of Capcom fighters. Hope to see a true follow up some day now that both are in a good position compared to after this game. Imagine SF current roster vs KOF current roster. The possibilities are endless.
S-Groove is inspired by early KOF games ('94 to '96, '97 and '98 Extra Mode). In those games, you can charge your super bar, you got static dodging (or spotdodge), and you get unlimited supers at low health. If you charge the super bar however at low health your standard supers become more powerful. Rolldodging and running come from '96 (and are the standard onwards; in '97 and '98 these two mechanics are included in Advanced Mode, which is what N-Groove is based on) and I assume the Alpha Counter is supposed to represent the Blow Back moves from '97 onwards.
Have you thought of making a video compiling variants of the "fighting mode select" system? Invented by SNK but popularized by Capcom in CvS2's "grooves". They dont deserve individual videos like these groove videos, but a compilation would look nice, maybe in 2 parts if needed. KOF 97, 98UM, Neowave, Last Blade, SFA3, etc...
Song name is Glacial Fortress from Omega Five. Yosuke Yasui makes some dope soundtracks so look em up !
Wikipedia says it's by Hiroyuki Iwatsuki.
Song was going through my head and I wasn't even looking for a comment like this.
Ah yes, my three facorite players
Goku, 2001 Glitch
What about [>_
@@deskcombo they fell off, not really into their game lately
@whizthesugoi they all did LOL this game's been dead for years!
@@LIONTAMER3DCapcom vs Snk 2? Dead?
Hahahahahahahaha nope
@@abnnizzy it's deceased, as are most fighting games: 30-40 stoners playing online isn't a "scene": dead
S Groove was always my favorite groove back in the day. The unlimited level 1s came in clutch sooooo many times.
...except you're almost dead when you get it =/
@@LIONTAMER3D That's the point of clutch factor.
@@RangoTheMercenary I'd rather NOT be near death when my cool stuff kicks in lol health is more important
@LIONTAMER3D the only health point is the last one.Just treat your low health as your new max health. Much easier to get a perfect with infinite level 1 supers.
@@coreydopson2030 you've just said the most idiotic thing ever stated about this game
As a working filmmaker. I recognize videos like these as art. Keep going desk! I see you.
And yet, in professional play, it's considered the 'worst' groove because it has to deal with C-A-N roll cancel supremacy, K rage and Parry being better for reversal than the Spot dodge. But it's still so damn fun to see someone evaporate because they forgot you have infinite desperation super.
CvS 2 is True Love.
And also that prior to desperation, you can only build up super by standing still and charging, and the only reasonable time to do this is after an opponent gets knocked down, which lets them get back up and basically resets to neutral.
Groove is definitely the worst considering lv1's do not have s + the limited feats the groove offers compared to others. It makes P-Groove look better even though that groove is also bad too on comp
its actually the best grove after K its just you all suck at using it
@@ailuosi7241 You know, It is actually possible to converse with others without immediately resorting to insults like an Edgelord.
@@ailuosi7241 Get a load of this guy. 😆
Sakura's dodge is so goofy XD
😭
It's the most layman dodge.
If some hobo in a karate gi threw a fireball at me, I'm gonna dodge like that.
@@HellecticMojohahaha XD
She dodge like an inflatable tube man
When I saw it for the first time I thought, "What is she _doing_ ?"
2:00 Desperation Combos...
I should have known!
CVS2 is the greatest fighting game of all time.
You meant to say umvc3
it's less played than sf2, sf3 and most of KOF
True that
Imagine if this series was introduced in this 2024 era for the first time ever. The world would explode
No, 3rd strike takes the cake for that title.
Me: Would be nice if I knew what the mechanics of this Groove were.
Desk: *explains it during the video*
Thanks man.
The dodge mechanic is made inadequate due to roll cancel, meaning every groove with a roll is vastly superior due to the fact that they can turn any normal or special move completely invincible lol
@@LIONTAMER3D I don't think every mechanic was meant to be balanced. It's more about each groove overall.
@jp3813 I don't think you grasped my post: roll cancel is so grossly overpowered that any groove that doesn't feature the "roll" mechanic is patently unviable. S & P groove are non-viable. I don't think K is viable, but some people do because it can get off 2 lvl 3 supers in one round...like n groove does...and n groove has the roll mechanic...and n groove doesn't have to take damage to get supers (lol) C, A, and N are the only truly viable grooves.
@@LIONTAMER3D The one groove tier list I found ranked them as A & K, C, N, P, S.
@jp3813 that tier list is irrelevant: A, N, C: in that order & that's it
Nice, i miss the videos that have this teaching/tutorial line. I find that a particular type of content that you learned to make very well. Its the details... the efficient explanation, not wordy, not overdone even to show very technical aspects at times, and the demonstration, the pacing, and of course the high level gameplay demonstrations and the great music.
I love all the silly shit you do with the name sections for the characters in this game
After nearly 20 years, i find there's a lot more to the S groove than i thought. I want my Dreamcast back.
shin okuma is named goku in his clip thanks to custom color shenanigans
Gouki is Akuma's Japanese name
@@Nick_Pome "Gouki" is not the same as "Goku"
@@Nick_Pomeit's a glitch, check the video, he is really named Goku.
Check Haohmaru name also.
Okuma is a beach in Okinawa Japan
@@abnnizzy no it's literally just custom color desk made a video on this
Need the music too. Thank you desk! 🤘🏾🔥🚀🚀
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Bro… i didn’t know kim had za warudo
I loved it when Cammy shot the clocktower so that the team could figure out Kim's World.
The music the characters the mechanics be getting hype for fighting games !
Thank you
I have NEVER seen that Sakura dodge animation at :32 as as a kid I almost elusively played C groove, not knowing the difference of any of those. This really makes me excited to go back and feel this game again!
2:30 kim did cammy dirty 😂
The most legendary fighting game of all time. S-groove was never my jam but gotta respect it. Got owned by a few S-groove Hibiki players back in the day.
Yousuke recognition is always appreciated. Love that man’s music- he’s ALWAYS COOKING!
cool thematic transitions for the 4 clips starting from 2:42
Raiden (ends combo with his fire breath super) -> Dhalsim (also has a fire breath super)
Rock (ends combo with his Buster Wolf) -> Terry (the guy who taught Rock that move)
(I double checked and apparently Rock's version is called "Shine Knuckle", so I guess it's not _technically_ Buster Wolf... We all know where he got it from, though)
I remember using S-Groove a lot when I played this as a kid, since I didn't know anything about competitive play and just wanted to act out DBZ fantasies.
Fitting that Goku is in there, then, ain't it? lmao
It's almost certain that charging up was invented for the genre by AOF based on DBZ after all. Im not sure if DBZ invented energy (Ki) charging but it was the series that popularized it anyway, and the most popular series doing that by the time of AOF (1992).
12 seconds ago
I'm getting parried...
Today i decided to did two single arcade playthroughs with Orochi Iori & Sagat using the S groove. I bet the sub boss Geese, but didn't get any finest kos or get 1500 GPS so in both playthroughs i got regular Rugal as the boss so i decided to do playthroughs with Evil Ryu, Akuma & Rugal using the C & P grooves.
CvS2 is one of my favorite fighting games. There are so many different grooves and characters to mix and match
Fun Fact: you can evade mid air too
Bison's evade animation is so sick
And the power up
Lol @ the Kim taunt. that was just perfectly timed.
I love it when Mai charges ❤
Tremendous. Cvs2 is one of the greatest fighting games ever 👏
This video was so amazing. I barely knew about these mechanics (i use C and P groove mostly). I definetly want to jump back and mess around with S groove now!
Well its no wonderous thought that most CVS2 Pros tend to use P-Groove at mild times now that somebody like desk has shown what it is really all about. this was badass!
3:10 Rock's KO move reminded me of Terry's Bandicoot... and then...!
Videos like these help me remember what a masterpiece this game was
I love Dan's run in this game. He's gotta think he looks so damn cool (he is). Awesome video, as usual!
Ngl. I never knew what these groove system were. I always picks A grove
C is original sf groove 3 bars
A is like alpha, custom combo
P is like 3rd strike, parry
S is video
N is like kof expert mode
K is like samsho with rage on damage taken.
S-Groove is not very good, but I still like it a lot. When I'll get back to this game with the collection, I'll play the fuck out of it
This groove is criminally underrated.
I hope this means he'll do this kind of video for all the other grooves.
Man, back in those days Kim literally couldn't get through one game without a glitch that messed up something
This is actually insane
I'd love to see more CvS2 shenanigans
This game is so underrated, too many mechanics for me but it has almost every fighting game mechanic imaginable
Ah yes, my absolute favorite groove!
Nothing more hype than getting a full charge in.
cmon brother. put the music in your description or the credits like you used to. i know nobodys entitled to it but its just a small thing to do.
Thanks for the reminder. Please, check the description.
song is The Glacial Fortress by Yousuke Yasui from the Omega Five soundtrack in case you're wondering
@@deskcombo thanks desk 🙏 been following you since the start and always happy to see you upload
@@deskcombo Actually, funny thing… I don’t know if you’ve ever been told this before, but I almost feel like it’s especially important that you credit the songs you’re using _because_ you’re a heck of a musician yourself: I know you’ve used your own music from time to time, so now, every time I notice you haven’t specified what the music is, I always just assume that it’s probably something you made. 😅
Top tier UA-cam comment ever
never played/saw Raiden with S-groove, his dodge is hilarious!
Awesome vid yet again Desk. Always awesome to see tech from older games.
2:14 Hoahmaru's big buttons activate my neurons
S-Groove is best groove. Don't argue with me.
Awesome music and again what a super production. I can only imagine how long this took you to get perfect.
A lot to unpack here. I wish i knew this stuff when i owned the game! Great vid!🎉
"Dodge this" redefined
THAT WAS HYPE!
desk ......ALWAYS KILLS IT. THANK YOU
My favorite element of the S-Groove is the infinite level 1 supers you get when you're desperate. Gimme that POW baby. XD
Would love to see how other grooves work, awesome video man
i love the hitstun glitches. those were funny.
more of this please
First off, whatever emulator you are using to play Cvs2 makes this game look INCREDIBLE @ 4K! The 3D backgrounds look AWESOME, so much better than the arcade/old console ports, plus the other visual effects like supers look DAZZLING! Then you got this FREAKIN' KICKIN' music track you're using while showing your awesome creative combos as usual! Great stuff Desk :D
I cant believe this game is 20 years old already.😅 i have played it since like 2007. Didnt S-Groove also have short jump or hop? I cant remeber.🤔
Nice educational video. Keep them coming desk!
This is true love you're making.
Capcom Vs. SNK 3 let's GOOOOOOO
Excellent video as expected, Desk.
some of the best sprites ever made
Ah, yes. S-Groove, or as some people liked to call it: "Scrub-Groove."
Why they called it that, I do not know.
ＭＡＸ超必殺技～超必殺技やカウンター攻撃～超必殺技がいいですね！
BRO THE IORI COMBO.
s groove best groove
Good stuff desk! Now if we could get CvS3.
0:42 God! I reallly hope Capcom do something new with Rival Schools
Nicely done, gotta love this video ❤
..the number of 'likes' in ratio to the number of 'views' this video has is insane given the quality of the content..such a classic that keeps on bringing it!!
#CvS2
Took me a while to notice the changed names.
This game had a lot of defensive options. Dive kick vortexes were less of a thing in this game. Oh boy SF4 - what was Capcom thinking.
I bet you used to work at Capcom
Bro, I used to main S-Groove Rolento/Ryo/Zangief. I wasn't the best at my local arcade, but I always rocked newcomers until they learned to adapt to me 😆 best fighting game ever IMO
The combo demon is back💪🔥
I hope we get A-Groove!
1:33 why is morrigan in an completely different art style
Her model is a direct port from vampire saviour
Cause they never bothered giving Morrigan new sprites after her appearance in the first Vampire game lol
Because that's a sprite done like 8 years before this game was made.
Let's Groove tonight
Oh sweet goddamn I love this game
Smoking that dr.b pack
Great video editing.
You call them alpha counters. I call them guard cancel blowback attacks. We are not the same.
I mean, it's the S of SNK. Using the Capcom name for the mechanic was a little confusing at first.
2:30 Kim-Kim's Bizzare Adventure
S-Groove looks so stupidly busted I love it xd
general consensus: S Groove? yeah, worst groove in game.
Desk: alright, let's see what we can do.
Explains Terry in Smash
Terry could dodge and do infinite supers before this game
Sweet.
A new SF KOF game would be cool
S groove bc I did one really cool cpmbo kn training
What a wacky concept for a meter type. If youre low you can just spam 1 bar supers
Yeah, it's great
CvS2 game adopted this system, which is an idea from SNK (but only Capcom made a version with 6 choices), to let you pick battle mechanics based on past fg references. And S Groove is loosely based on the early KOF games, and those games by their turn make direct references to Fatal Fury 2 (1992), which indeed has infinite supers when you have low hp.
FF2 is probably the 2nd fighting game ever to have supers (the 1st was Art of Fighting) and it didnt have an actual meter yet... supers were only a low hp thing (which could be called the first comeback mechanic in history). So KOF 94 started with a meter system meant to combine ideas from Fatal Fury supers and Art of Fighting supers (the energy charge thing). That way you can use supers in two ways: charging up to the max, or at low hp... and in that 2nd case you have infinite supers.
In the end its just a reference to a primitive "super" mechanic (again, 92, just 1 year after the invention of SF2) which was more or less natural for KOF 94 and even more to CvS2, that made the different grooves to celebrate the 2d fg history as a whole. KOF still made references to that old system in KOF 97 and 98, but after that it was abandoned.
@@carlosaugusto9821 S Groove is more like KoF 96 system, where you can spam lv1 supers and if you have a low health and Super bar full you can use a lv 3 super (in CPS system reference) and the Lv3 Super has a red shadow/glow on the character. Just adding up what you said above
@@AndreChaosweapon Yeah that can be said too. Mentioning 94 served to highlight that KOF started wanting the super meter system to make a double reference to FF and AOF, as the root of infinite supers is FF2 and the root of charging up is AOF. And i just tried to give more attention to those roots to show that its all very old stuff. S Groove is shaped by some ancient and primitive mechanics.
My type
would you try making a combo video for CVS2 EO were P groove is the only Groove With Supercandel from Specials?
I love Capcom vs snk 2
Huh. I was today years old when I learned that S-Groove has (an overly expensive) alpha counter. The hell.
Só assim pro pessoal da capcom correr evasão e especial infinito um dos melhores groves
cvs2 Is still the GOAT of Capcom fighters. Hope to see a true follow up some day now that both are in a good position compared to after this game. Imagine SF current roster vs KOF current roster. The possibilities are endless.
Imagine the amount of dlc...
2:02 hi goku
I never understoood S Groove and what it does.
S-Groove is inspired by early KOF games ('94 to '96, '97 and '98 Extra Mode). In those games, you can charge your super bar, you got static dodging (or spotdodge), and you get unlimited supers at low health. If you charge the super bar however at low health your standard supers become more powerful.
Rolldodging and running come from '96 (and are the standard onwards; in '97 and '98 these two mechanics are included in Advanced Mode, which is what N-Groove is based on) and I assume the Alpha Counter is supposed to represent the Blow Back moves from '97 onwards.
Watch this video to understand
Have you thought of making a video compiling variants of the "fighting mode select" system? Invented by SNK but popularized by Capcom in CvS2's "grooves". They dont deserve individual videos like these groove videos, but a compilation would look nice, maybe in 2 parts if needed. KOF 97, 98UM, Neowave, Last Blade, SFA3, etc...