Rejected High School Cheerleader Fatally Stabs Successful Rival | Bernadette Protti Case Analysis

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  • @TheOneWhoGnocchs
    @TheOneWhoGnocchs 11 місяців тому +961

    I’ll never get sick of hearing you call polygraphs “pseudoscientific nonsense”

    • @nanettevantriesteharder2469
      @nanettevantriesteharder2469 11 місяців тому +67

      I wish there was a multiplier on the thumbs up! Psychopaths pass polygraph tests and because they can pass the test they are dismissed as suspects. Only a person who feels guilt for doing something wrong, like lying, might be suspect but feeling guilt about something does not necessarily equate to criminality.

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому +69

      My Dad is retired from the USMC. He's always told us that polygraphs are junk science. That 50% of their investigative value lies in observing how a suspect reacts to being asked to take the "test" and the other 50% has to do with making someone so overwhelmed with anxiety that they slip up and say something incriminating.

    • @theobserver2309
      @theobserver2309 11 місяців тому +34

      Definitely junk science. Laughed at by the rest of the world.

    • @Krystal-vd1ql
      @Krystal-vd1ql 11 місяців тому +33

      But if you refuse to take one you are presumed guilty.

    • @leannemo7382
      @leannemo7382 11 місяців тому +34

      It’s more of a psychological tool, used to get suspects to talk. That’s why they’re inadmissible in court.

  • @vickinoeske1154
    @vickinoeske1154 11 місяців тому +559

    I feel it was premeditated murder. The phone call lying about the Bobby's dinner, lying about babysitting and having a knife. Not to mention, once Kirsten got away the first time, she chased her down again.

    • @michaelterango3074
      @michaelterango3074 11 місяців тому +48

      she owes her sister big time. the sister bailed her by saying the knife was hers, otherwise first degree

    • @AcidCasper17
      @AcidCasper17 11 місяців тому +47

      @@michaelterango3074I always thought it was odd that she claimed that she used the knife in the car. You’d cut your vegetables to bring w/ you in the car. Total lie….

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому

      ​@@michaelterango3074I don't understand how the sister's story was actually believed by a judge! You have to be relatively intelligent to get through the schooling required to earn a law degree and also to pass the BAR exam. You can't become a judge if you're a total moron. Yet this judge not only took the sister's ridiculous story to be credible, but also failed to connect the act of hunting down the victim after she initially got away with being evidence of premeditated murder.
      There are elderly women in prison serving 40+ years to life for killing violent husbands in self defense after suffering brutal and systematic abuse at his hands for 10, 15, 20 or more years. And this little psychopath creates a murder plan that includes multiple elements / steps, lures her victim out to get her alone, pursues the victim when she initially manages to get away, stabs the victim until she's incapacitated, delivers two more stab wounds to her back after she's already down, flees the scene and lies to everybody in her life every single day until she's caught. And the victim, though probably an entitled, snobby, arrogant bully, was not abusing Bernadette. Also she was just 16! She murdered a 16 year old girl who's worst offense was being a teenage snob, the death was violent, the victim suffered, and the whole thing was obviously premeditated. And she was out in 7 years at the age of just 23.
      I AM SO FRUSTRATED WITH SO MANY ASPECTS OF THE US LEGAL SYSTEM!!

    • @burgundybabyy
      @burgundybabyy 11 місяців тому +7

      absolutely

    • @vickinoeske1154
      @vickinoeske1154 11 місяців тому +2

      @@michaelterango3074 Absolutely.

  • @prettypinkspade
    @prettypinkspade 11 місяців тому +424

    Chunky with stringy blonde hair is a devastating personal description lmao

    • @myusernamerocks3
      @myusernamerocks3 10 місяців тому +22

      Interestingly, it describes most women now

    • @JeaneGenie
      @JeaneGenie 10 місяців тому +28

      ​@@myusernamerocks3yes, with the addition of tattoos nowadays 😉

    • @maggiesamson337
      @maggiesamson337 10 місяців тому +21

      Don’t forget the bull ring piercings and funky attitudes🤣

    • @mbmb7525
      @mbmb7525 9 місяців тому

      0​@@maggiesamson337

    • @therealsamsclub2325
      @therealsamsclub2325 9 місяців тому +35

      @@maggiesamson337yall sad asf 😭💀

  • @adnanaliable
    @adnanaliable 11 місяців тому +378

    I remember the hurt from being laughed at for being poor when I was a kid; it still angers me to think about it. But even so, the idea of committing murder over it is unimaginable.

    • @Twiddledup
      @Twiddledup 11 місяців тому +22

      Me too and I had a very dysfunctional family! Plus Narcissistic mother ‼️

    • @It-is-me...Melsie
      @It-is-me...Melsie 11 місяців тому +28

      My husband died when our son was a baby so obviously for a while there money was going to be a bit of a struggle, especially when he as young. Our son went to a school in which the majority of the kids where from quite well off parents. I remember being thoroughly irked when my son told me that some of the kids were mocking his shoes for being cheap and from a store here known to sell cheap stuff.
      I did tell my son that those kids making fun of him haven't achieved anything at all as it's their parents who have the money and not the kids. While we know that's true it's still irksome though that they can be so smug about other peoples money like it makes them more special.

    • @KaarinaKimdaly
      @KaarinaKimdaly 11 місяців тому +14

      ​@@It-is-me...Melsie 'The love of money is the root of all evil' . . .

    • @Nightdreaux22647
      @Nightdreaux22647 11 місяців тому

      Poverty, Narcissist, Grandiosity, plus having ugly face, when combined, are the ultimate recipe for disaster.

    • @WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness
      @WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness 11 місяців тому +11

      Orinda in the 1980s was a particularly toxic environment, being one of the wealthiest towns in the country, and completely status driven. I grew up in Clayton, CA in the 80s, same age as these girls, and I remember completely relating to Bernadette at the time. I was also the youngest in a large Catholic family. I was never going to be popular or accepted into anything in school because I wasn’t able to afford designer clothes. Luckily for me I found New Wave and Punk music, developed my own personal style, and eventually became cooler than the “popular” kids. But when I was 15, youngest in a large working class family and surrounded by wealthy people, and reading about this story in the news, I definitely related to the perpetrator and could almost understand why this would happen.

  • @AnnaBelll.e
    @AnnaBelll.e 11 місяців тому +322

    I was viciously bullied in HS in 1984. I was beaten and chased and ran off the road. I felt this one. How heartbreaking. Rest in peace. 😢

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому +35

      😢😢 I'm so sorry. I know when you're in the situation at the time being bullied can be totally devastating. I've always bristled up whenever I hear the now-popular "It gets better" advice aimed at bullied teens. 20 years out of high school, I'm certainly aware the advice rings true... that it does get better... it does. But I remember being that age. "It gets better" wasn't around 20 years ago, but when I imagine being a kid in the middle of such a crisis and hearing "It gets better" all I can think about is how close to zero help it would actually be in the moment, hearing that.

    • @thecorrectoification
      @thecorrectoification 11 місяців тому +18

      Jesus. And I thought the locker room taunting was bad.

    • @luv2travel2000
      @luv2travel2000 11 місяців тому +19

      Wow. I'm very sorry you went through that. 😢 Being bullied is horrendous. My hope is that you find a pathway to completely heal from this.

    • @twiceshy9773
      @twiceshy9773 11 місяців тому +5

      Daniel-san??

    • @KaarinaKimdaly
      @KaarinaKimdaly 11 місяців тому +8

      ​@@Kirk_Hammett_Bit_Me G-d bless you for stepping up. You were courageous then. Although I am certainly not advocate of violence, you rescued a victim in high school and were a true friend, showing heroism then.
      Bullying should not be brooked.
      Then you suffered for your act of protection, and made a lifelong friend.

  • @Elijahstav
    @Elijahstav 11 місяців тому +121

    I live in Orinda, and my home is located in close proximity to the place where Kirsten was tragically stabbed and discovered by our next door neighbor, Emilio (“the neighbor”), who is now in his mid 90’s. Emilio is such a sweet and kind man and a very captivating storyteller. Listening to his recollection of finding her that night is bone chilling. Regrettably, he couldn't rescue her, but I believe that in those moments before she passed, he provided comfort and did his utmost to ease her suffering.

    • @adotintheshark4848
      @adotintheshark4848 9 місяців тому +5

      she actually died later in the hospital.

    • @Elijahstav
      @Elijahstav 9 місяців тому +17

      @@adotintheshark4848 I know, but he comforted her until they took her to the hospital where she passed

    • @BrianOSheaPlus
      @BrianOSheaPlus 8 місяців тому +6

      I grew up in Orinda and lived close to the location of the murder. I was younger, still in elementary school at the time, but I remember the case clearly because it was so close to us and it took so long to be solved. It shook the whole town.

    • @LilyFlowers-hh3sc
      @LilyFlowers-hh3sc 8 місяців тому

      😢

    • @ssdfgardiner1233
      @ssdfgardiner1233 4 місяці тому +1

      @@adotintheshark4848 Actually, no. I am Emidio's daughter, and I was there that night. She was declared DOA, but she died in another neighbor's arms.

  • @swhitson9633
    @swhitson9633 11 місяців тому +328

    Kirsten's poor mom. Imagine having to live with knowing that you accidentally helped set your own child up for murder. That would destroy any mother. I hate that Bernadette involved her in her sick plan. Horrific.

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому +37

      That's a really good observation. I hadn't caught the significance of that element of Bernadette's CLEARLY PREMEDITATED crime. (What a doofus of a judge!)
      I watched my aunt and uncle deal with losing their 17 year old son in a car accident in 1997. Kirstin's mom obviously did nothing wrong, but you are correct to say involving her in the rouse to lure Kirstin out that night probably haunted her every day of her life. It's a particularly cruel element to add to an already vicious and senseless murder.
      In my cousin's case, his dad (my uncle) had scolded him over something the night he died in the car accident. My cousin left the house in a huff over the argument and my uncle has blamed himself for the past 26 years. Even though a) my cousin was killed on his way home, 4 hours after the argument (meaning he didn't die because his dad angered him and he drove away carelessly because he was mad) and b) he 100% would've driven that exact road at that exact time that night regardless of getting into it with his Dad. He had plans already. All the fight impacted was that my cousin headed out to meet his friends probably 10 or 15 minutes sooner than he would have otherwise left the house.
      But understanding intellectually that nothing you did makes you at fault for your child's death is something very different from how you feel about your role in the death. My uncle KNOWS nothing he did led to losing his son that night. He knows it. But that awareness has had zero effect whatsoever on the sad reality that he suffers intense guilt over it to this day.
      I'm certain anyone who ever spoke to Kirsten's mother offered intensive reassurance that she didn't do anything wrong. I'm also fairly certain those words did absolutely nothing to make her feel better.
      It's a very tragic crime, all around.

    • @icturner23
      @icturner23 11 місяців тому +31

      I’m sure a bigger thing for her to bear was that her daughter’s murderer was out in seven years.

    • @vivienm2037
      @vivienm2037 11 місяців тому

      If your child becomes a murderer, you failed as a parent. Like it or not.

    • @spackar2720
      @spackar2720 11 місяців тому +18

      @@icturner23 The sentence of nine years for pre-meditated murder was an outrage. I think that Bernadette should have been tried as an adult and sentenced to life in prison without parole.

    • @alimccreery755
      @alimccreery755 11 місяців тому +8

      I actually had a friend who admitted to feeling guilty for her daughter’s murder because the young girl picked a boyfriend like her dad and the boyfriend killed her.

  • @maxshea1829
    @maxshea1829 11 місяців тому +263

    HEATHERS! I was in high school at the same time. In my high school, the faculty cheered on the bullies and the "popular" kids. Everybody else "lacked character." Real classist suburban garbage.

    • @olilumgbalu5653
      @olilumgbalu5653 11 місяців тому +1

      Was the movie "Heathers" based on this case?

    • @maxshea1829
      @maxshea1829 11 місяців тому +3

      @@olilumgbalu5653 I don't think so.

    • @reneedennis2011
      @reneedennis2011 11 місяців тому

      Dang!

    • @PeleRana-pp6zc
      @PeleRana-pp6zc 10 місяців тому +21

      America has a strange high school culture of supporting bullies who are often the popular kids . Very shallow values and encourages narcissism!

    • @reneedennis2011
      @reneedennis2011 10 місяців тому +4

      @@PeleRana-pp6zc I agree.

  • @douglaswatters7303
    @douglaswatters7303 11 місяців тому +333

    Murder a innocent teen girl and serve only 7 years? The court system is a joke.

    • @TiffWaffles
      @TiffWaffles 11 місяців тому +20

      I think they took into consideration the fact that Bernadette herself was a teen girl. Personally, I feel she should have served more time because it doesn't seem like she's very remorseful for what she did- but it's so common for child/teenaged killers to get out the moment they are twenty one.
      There's a woman in Canada who came up with the plan to murder her entire family which was carried out by her and her boyfriend. I think she should still be rotting away in prison because not once has she ever expressed remorse for what she did. She committed the murders when she was 12 and got out when she was 21 or 22.
      So many people think that this particular monster should be given a chance when there are so many others saying that she needs to still be in prison.

    • @toquita3d
      @toquita3d 11 місяців тому +22

      That's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to disparity in sentencing between men and women that commit the same crime.

    • @terrorists-are-among-us
      @terrorists-are-among-us 11 місяців тому +5

      California 😂

    • @tylerbrown4483
      @tylerbrown4483 11 місяців тому +7

      The 80s was a weird time

    • @evelynwaugh4053
      @evelynwaugh4053 11 місяців тому

      ​@@toquita3dEdmund Kemper only served 6 years for murdering both grandparents at age 15.

  • @rejaneoliveira5019
    @rejaneoliveira5019 11 місяців тому +79

    Unfortunately this type of jealousy is quite common among teenagers. Popularity contests are superficial pursuits that speaks to much deeper issues such as feelings of insecurity or inadequacy.
    Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤

  • @Meela234
    @Meela234 11 місяців тому +118

    Thank you for analyzing this story! I remember the Lifetime movie Death Of A Cheerleader starring Tori Spelling and Kellie Martin.

    • @Germania72
      @Germania72 11 місяців тому +11

      You beat me to it! 😂 I thought of the same movie, but Kellie's character was called Angela Delvecchio.

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому +8

      Another spot-on "Dr. Grande zinger!" (The acting in that movie was so bad!] Lol 😅😅

    • @shimmeringchimps3842
      @shimmeringchimps3842 11 місяців тому +4

      Yes, I remember watching that movie as a preteen when it came out! I can still recall some of the scenes. Such a relatable yet deranged story...

    • @Reclaim-the-Rainbow
      @Reclaim-the-Rainbow 11 місяців тому +5

      I liked Kellie Martin’s acting. And she was the voice of Roxanne from A Goofy Movie. lol

    • @kathyclaudiochandler
      @kathyclaudiochandler 11 місяців тому +6

      I watched the movie too!! I felt as if the villain was painted as a victim, and that the real victim was painted as somewhat a villian…

  • @MM-gd1dw
    @MM-gd1dw 11 місяців тому +246

    Thank you Dr. Grande! It's so sad that teens think that their life is doomed if they don't make cheerleader.

    • @Tingley19
      @Tingley19 11 місяців тому +6

      This was years and years ago. But yeah “teens these days” 🙄

    • @Tingley19
      @Tingley19 11 місяців тому +4

      Crime happened in 1984 per the Good Doctor.

    • @CandidLy1
      @CandidLy1 11 місяців тому +9

      No what she was afraid of was Kirsten would tell everyone what a whack job Bernadette for her actions of faking a dinner out just to get Kirsten to be her friend.

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому +14

      I agree. It's obviously ridiculous in hindsight, but I can recall at least 5-6 different instances during high school where I was convinced my life was ruined forever. Being a teenager is a crazy time. You have many of the freedoms of an adult, you are capable of keeping up with a busy schedule, you can develop deep emotional attachments to friends and significant others, you can fall in love, you're beginning to take on real and important responsibilities... but you are also functioning via a brain that's not fully developed, hormones that can be all over the place, very little to zero real life experience, and no idea how to regulate your emotions once they've reached a certain intensity.
      Honestly, it's somewhat perplexing that we've all managed to live through that particular stage of life.

    • @discospiders
      @discospiders 11 місяців тому +7

      @@Tingley19they didn’t even say “teens these days”, they said “teens”

  • @esteemedmortal5917
    @esteemedmortal5917 11 місяців тому +300

    High schoolers, I assure you, no one cares about what happens in high school; neither what you did nor what you didn’t do.

    • @willnill7946
      @willnill7946 11 місяців тому +61

      And when you start working no one cares where you went to college

    • @esteemedmortal5917
      @esteemedmortal5917 11 місяців тому

      @@willnill7946true that

    • @philoaviaticus
      @philoaviaticus 11 місяців тому

      Wise words. Yet many are trapped in that mindset, as their pinnacle of identity development and may NEVER develop a broader world view nor an alternative life path.

    • @TimJBenham
      @TimJBenham 11 місяців тому +17

      For a short time the college admissions people care.

    • @keithpreston6968
      @keithpreston6968 11 місяців тому +27

      true but we always remember the classmate that vomited in the classroom

  • @scramjet4610
    @scramjet4610 11 місяців тому +73

    Your final comment that school should be about academic achievement vs a popularity contest really gets to the crux of the issue.

    • @elizabethwarman9028
      @elizabethwarman9028 11 місяців тому

      Yes, it is. My friend was not popular in high school. She had a mustache and unibrow. The other students made fun of her.

    • @stfuplsok
      @stfuplsok 10 місяців тому

      typical America.

    • @derkeheath5172
      @derkeheath5172 9 місяців тому

      I graduated second in my high school class and didn't get laid ONCE for it!

    • @spazmonkey3815
      @spazmonkey3815 8 місяців тому

      @@derkeheath5172 I almost purposely failed a prep school after sophomore year and then slept through my second HS and had a permanent girlfriend by junior year (whom I'm still married to 54 years later) and I still have problems speaking to pretty girls even at my age ....go figure.

  • @lastpme
    @lastpme 11 місяців тому +96

    It is sad she got away with murder….only seven years in jail isn’t justice.

    • @Tingley19
      @Tingley19 11 місяців тому

      Happens for women across the US everyday. They get like 2 or 3 real fuck-ups before they’re held accountable for anything seriously. Men, we aren’t as lucky. We get half a baby fuck up and get more time than that. My brother got 14 years in prison for strong arming an Xbox 360 off a guy back in the day. Justice system my ass.

    • @cat-e2p5b
      @cat-e2p5b 11 місяців тому +9

      The cheerleader was a bully too though

    • @Missglam67
      @Missglam67 11 місяців тому +8

      Yeah, she was charged as a juvenile and not an adult and she got the maximum allowed by law at the time in CA

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому +28

      ​@@cat-e2p5bYeah, Kirsten sounds like an entitled, arrogant brat for sure. But for all her negative traits and vile bullying behavior, she certainly never killed anybody.

    • @vicvega3614
      @vicvega3614 11 місяців тому +9

      ​@@TheLastHappyPlace id say the girl rotting in the ground after being murdered and her family would disagree with the sentence being "just". Absolutely ridiculous and sickening she got out, she should STILL be rotting in prison

  • @laylalayla-jl4ik
    @laylalayla-jl4ik 11 місяців тому +85

    Its Terrible how kids get bullied at School. R.I.P to all the Angels who were bullied to death.

    • @carlotapuig
      @carlotapuig 11 місяців тому +7

      In this case the (slightly) bullied girl was the murderer. Very often the murderers are the bullied, not the bullies. Life is complicated.

    • @adotintheshark4848
      @adotintheshark4848 9 місяців тому +3

      Since all this " anti-bullying" nonsense, bullying is worse than ever.

    • @LilyFlowers-hh3sc
      @LilyFlowers-hh3sc 8 місяців тому

      Thank you. I tried to take my life for the first time at 12. 😢 It feels good that some people have compassion for what people like us went through

    • @LilyFlowers-hh3sc
      @LilyFlowers-hh3sc 8 місяців тому

      ​@@carlotapuigno one gets bullied near as much as the pretty awkward girl. Nothing fuels bullying like jealousy. Sorry but she probably wasn't that bullied because she looked safe and common. That's just the truth.

    • @carlotapuig
      @carlotapuig 8 місяців тому

      @@LilyFlowers-hh3sc Your comment has nothing to do with my comment above. Did you even read it?

  • @christiandulaney1638
    @christiandulaney1638 11 місяців тому +34

    The talk about "not making the cheerleading team" is spot on. i remember the girls took that very seriously. One girl who was the captain junior year had a falling out with a couple of the girls and didnt even make the squad her senior year. Highschool girls can be vicious. I dont think any of them got murdered though......awesome video!!

  • @AlternateMichael
    @AlternateMichael 11 місяців тому +91

    As a wise Time Doctor once said: “For a while, there was peace. Narcissistic, self-congratulatory peace”

  • @breathnstop
    @breathnstop 11 місяців тому +17

    Agree Doc and it's only gotten worse with social media bullying.

    • @rosekeyes3189
      @rosekeyes3189 11 місяців тому +2

      My daughter is 5 and picking up things on her kids shows that are scary for me, her mother.

  • @maureeningleston1501
    @maureeningleston1501 11 місяців тому +22

    I respect that you are NOT diagnosing, but only speculating on a situation like this Dr Grande.But it feels so sad and suspect. 😥

    • @nhmooytis7058
      @nhmooytis7058 11 місяців тому +5

      I’m not commenting, I’m only speculating on what I would comment if I commented 😊

  • @ToLovelyJesus
    @ToLovelyJesus 11 місяців тому +36

    I think you made an excellent point about the amount of time that Bernadette had before committing the stabbing. Had it been a crime of passion, she had time to rethink her actions. You also mentioned that Bernadette may’ve had romantic interest in Kirsten, and I think that’s plausible. At the very least, she was obsessed. Given Bernadette’s obsession with social status and acceptance, I can see how her being rejected lead to her irrationally coming to the conclusion that had to kill Kirsten to keep whatever she expressed a secret. Whether Kirsten was a nice person or not is irrelevant to me, because she still didn’t deserve to be murdered. Even if she had been a vicious bully, why did Bernadette isolate herself with someone who was supposedly cruel to her? I believe that the murder was premeditated, and my heart is still broken for Kirsten’s family.

  • @Mari-go5hc
    @Mari-go5hc 11 місяців тому +45

    I worked in three High Schools. One large school in a fairly small town, One new school in another small town with a small population of students and the third a trade school in a large city. None of these factors made a difference. It's all about popularity and social influence. Parental involvement with your children, their friends and other parents, teachers, etc. seem to be a deciding factor when it comes to raising children.That and a lot of luck.

  • @blaisebaileyfinnegan8202
    @blaisebaileyfinnegan8202 11 місяців тому +39

    Yeah, being bullied happens in high school. Doesn't mean you murder someone. Zero sympathy for the murderer.

  • @fragrancememoir2350
    @fragrancememoir2350 11 місяців тому +61

    Totally correct.. this was completely premeditated. I dont know how the judge could even keep a straight face when saying otherwise. As Dr Grande pointed out, Bernadette literally chased her down in a car and then on foot.

  • @rayross997
    @rayross997 11 місяців тому +37

    Kind of takes the cheer part out of cheerleader. Thanks for all your work Dr. Grande.

  • @tiffanytiffany7949
    @tiffanytiffany7949 11 місяців тому +19

    Who else saw the Lifetime movie on this case starring Tori Spelling way back in the day? I still watch it from to time.

    • @curtisdalrymple42
      @curtisdalrymple42 Місяць тому +1

      I saw it and the whole movie made the killer into the victim and the victim in to the villian. Something about that just didn’t sit right with me.

  • @zenawarrior7442
    @zenawarrior7442 11 місяців тому +19

    I agree with your analysis of another sad & strange case. Congrats on 1.39 million!! 🎈🎉🎊Thanks Dr G😊💙💙

  • @Icarus6783
    @Icarus6783 11 місяців тому +23

    I like the observation of turning schools into popularity contests. Most if not all public schools allow students to dress in regular everyday clothing as opposed to uniforms. One psychological aspect behind the wearing of uniforms is that it eliminates the competition factor to a large degree, but not altogether. Wearing uniforms somehow gives the students a conscious sense of a level playing field. Even if underprivileged parents cannot afford to buy their kids high range attire, if they value the educational opportunity, they can make the necessary sacrifice to buy good uniforms for their kids.

    • @LadyGreyBlack
      @LadyGreyBlack 11 місяців тому +4

      I often wondered what would have happened if my school had had uniforms, it it would have given most kids a sense of belonging to the school instead of a separation.

    • @missp498
      @missp498 7 місяців тому

      I used to be against uniforms because we didn't have them in the 80s buy I think they are useful.

  • @rullvox5912
    @rullvox5912 11 місяців тому +16

    Getting outrun by a Ford Pinto is pretty bad.
    I like how Dr. Grande downplays the FBI profilers assessments..🤣😊

  • @Nightdreaux22647
    @Nightdreaux22647 11 місяців тому +32

    This is why I don't have many friend. Only few that I can trust. You have to learn, observe, and sense with pure instinct, who hates your existence and envy of what you have/possess. Once you figure out who hates you for existing, you can avoid them.

  • @garysims2029
    @garysims2029 11 місяців тому +45

    Kirsten found bernadette to be be creepy and weird....this was an accurate assessment. Best line to date.

  • @haubenmeisewillow-tit331
    @haubenmeisewillow-tit331 11 місяців тому +28

    As a former teacher, I am sorry to say that academic achivment can too be turned into a contest. Popular or otherwise!
    But I agree with you, schools cannot let up on vigilance, to keep the constant one-upmanship in check, that students, parents and even teachers, heck, all of humanity are so fond of, despite hating it so!
    It's difficult! *sigh*

  • @sodapop81
    @sodapop81 11 місяців тому +23

    The 1994 movie is appalling. They try to paint the killer as the true victim. Even if Kirsten was a bit snobby (not saying she definitely was), she most likely would have grown out of that. But she was robbed of growing up!

  • @sarahmckinneyrobinson
    @sarahmckinneyrobinson 11 місяців тому +6

    Hey, Dr. Grande! Still watching all of your videos and loving them. Came to the comment section to *THANK YOU* for finally covering this case; I had been asking you sporadically to cover this particular case. I’ve delved so deeply into this one that I could have assisted you with details, lol. But, I’ve always pondered the deep psychology behind Bernadette (and that particular community, honestly…) and I’ve always been so curious as to what they discussed/what took place in that Pinto. Dr. Grande (and anyone reading this), may you have an amazing 2024! Rest peacefully, Kirsten Costas.
    PPS: Brilliant dry quips per usual, Todd. 😅

  • @joanncormaci3323
    @joanncormaci3323 11 місяців тому +9

    Dr.Todd, I really enjoy your videos, and understand your analysis of cases. Last night, I was watching one of my favorite shows on TV. INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY. I closed my eyes for a few minutes, and I heard a familiar voice! Lo and behold, it was you! I felt like I knew you from watching your videos. Hope to see you on more shows!!

  • @lisetteeliseparis7070
    @lisetteeliseparis7070 11 місяців тому +2

    Dr. Grande, this is one of those cases impossible to shake - thank you for covering it. RIP Kirsten.

  • @tessajones9393
    @tessajones9393 11 місяців тому +144

    To think she got out after 7 years, when she was 23 and started a new life is unreal. She's CEO or something now, married with kids.

    • @mgaeeeee9150
      @mgaeeeee9150 11 місяців тому +47

      Jeanette Tomanka is her name now

    • @AcidCasper17
      @AcidCasper17 11 місяців тому +65

      And another girl who was initially blamed went through hell & had to leave the school. She never got an apology from anyone & fell into substance abuse.

    • @rolandm9750
      @rolandm9750 11 місяців тому +33

      She's not a CEO, her sister is.

    • @jenniej0an
      @jenniej0an 11 місяців тому

      ​@@rolandm9750of what?

    • @uberalles2465
      @uberalles2465 11 місяців тому

      ​@@rolandm9750 yup her sister is. Jeanette used to be a nurse practioner TAKING CARE OF PATIENTS, but allowed her license and certification to expire!

  • @tinawaggoner1031
    @tinawaggoner1031 11 місяців тому +26

    Dr Granda, I really enjoy your channel and your opinion on the cases. Just wondering if you could do a video on Arial Castro who held 3 Cleveland girls hostage for over 10 yrs.

    • @sarahalderman3126
      @sarahalderman3126 11 місяців тому +2

      I'll second this request! I would really like to hear this particular analysis given that case occurred back when I was 12... I guess I just feel connected to it as I live quite close to the area.❤

  • @freakphysics
    @freakphysics 11 місяців тому +46

    Hey Todd! We have seen often in your episodes your criticism against criminal profilers. Many of us wonder why. How about making a special episode exemplifying instances where the profilers got it all wrong and why? That‘d be super cool :)

    • @SeaBlue1976
      @SeaBlue1976 11 місяців тому +5

      As i mentioned to another comment i don't believe either.
      Different culture, upbringing,autistic people,etc might sound or seemed guilty.
      Me when i am telling something I don't look the other person in the eyes, I don't lie i just try to concentrate.
      I have lied to cops ver successfully,but i acted guilty in another incident for no reason
      I am bilingual hopefully my comment makes sense.

    • @arinerm1331
      @arinerm1331 11 місяців тому

      Profilers are not even a step up from self-proclaimed psychics. Everything a profiler contributes is so generic and interpretations so malleable that no matter who is proven guilty, the "profile" fits. Such profiles are, in essence, "answers in search of questions." We can go through the writings of Nostradamus and find the same pattern. How many world events would a given quatrain fit?

    • @lizbensoncox
      @lizbensoncox 11 місяців тому +3

      @@SeaBlue1976 oh exactly! I have a very slight lazy eye that sometimes doesn't look in the same direction as the other, especially when I'm tired. Not super apparent to anyone unless they know about it already, but I am self conscious sometimes, and if I realize it's not focusing properly, I will quickly look away so that the other person won't notice. I never thought about it before, but it would probably make me look guilty as sin if I did that around law enforcement. 🤣

    • @olilumgbalu5653
      @olilumgbalu5653 11 місяців тому

      I already know of a case...the Green River serial killer. An FBI profiler was brought in and seemed to be actively aiding and abetting this monster. He was eventually apprehended by an astute local cop.

    • @SeaBlue1976
      @SeaBlue1976 11 місяців тому

      @@lizbensoncox so true my friend,u cannot just decide especially in an interrogation room if someone acts guilty ,we wouldn't need courts,just cops
      Behaviour experts and profilers telling me nothing, debunked

  • @VampireTuesday
    @VampireTuesday 11 місяців тому +81

    Interesting to think that it’s a narcissistic trait to look up to narcissists. I’ve definitely been guilty of that.

    • @grangrampa832
      @grangrampa832 11 місяців тому +3

      Omg you’re kidding horrible

    • @MeganVictoriaKearns
      @MeganVictoriaKearns 11 місяців тому +26

      Most narcissists would never admit to possessing a narcissistic trait, so I'd say there's hope for you. 😊

    • @philoaviaticus
      @philoaviaticus 11 місяців тому +4

      We all learn by such illuminations

    • @VampireTuesday
      @VampireTuesday 11 місяців тому +21

      @@grangrampa832What’s horrible? Self reflection? Growing as a person? Ironic.

    • @heatherbukowski2102
      @heatherbukowski2102 11 місяців тому +10

      I mean, that explains Trump's base, doesn't it.

  • @Flamsterette
    @Flamsterette 11 місяців тому +15

    Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm. January 9 is National Apricot Day, Feast of the Black Nazarene, Remembrance Day for Rauld the Strong, National Cassoulet Day, National Static Electricity Day, Balloon Ascension Day, and Play God Day.

    • @ReSearcherSusie
      @ReSearcherSusie 11 місяців тому +1

      It’s also Law Enforcement Officer Appreciation Day in the USA.

    • @Flamsterette
      @Flamsterette 11 місяців тому +2

      @@ReSearcherSusie Thanks.

    • @mangafq8
      @mangafq8 11 місяців тому

      Feast of the Baptism of the Lord is celebrated on Monday, January 9.

  • @carolyndavison6095
    @carolyndavison6095 11 місяців тому +7

    I can still remember things lots of kids went through in high school. It was miserable. Many kids from wealthy families attended there and they ran everything. I was glad to graduate and get away from the snobbery and constant status symbolism.

  • @pepsiholic4084
    @pepsiholic4084 11 місяців тому +10

    Dr. Grande, you sure are getting popular.....Seen you on the episode of "Who the Bleep did I marry (the babysitter killer) last night! Congratulations on your stardom ⭐

  • @Emm325
    @Emm325 11 місяців тому +14

    Did anybody else ever see the Lifetime movie (back in the 90s or so 😂) based on this movie with Tori Spelling?!? Never knew about the actual story, thanks Dr. G!

    • @welliciamiller
      @welliciamiller 11 місяців тому +2

      HELLL YEA.... My childhood..... they also did a remake after that tori spelling version

    • @shaeyager8165
      @shaeyager8165 9 місяців тому

      Yes! With Girl from life goes on . I did not know it was based on actual event

    • @Le_ah76
      @Le_ah76 8 місяців тому

      Yeah, I saw it. I think the remake though.

  • @elizabethhamm5320
    @elizabethhamm5320 11 місяців тому +10

    How tragic. I love your take on this story. I’m curious what you think a proper sentence would be. I agree that the one she got was too light

  • @alimccreery755
    @alimccreery755 11 місяців тому +15

    I’m a firm believer that parents should know who their child is friends with in or out of school.

    • @georgialee6755
      @georgialee6755 9 місяців тому

      Bernadette wasn’t really a friend and Bernadette didn’t give her name to Kirsten’s mom

  • @Codehead3
    @Codehead3 11 місяців тому +50

    Who drives around with a knife in their car? This was premeditated!

    • @mgaeeeee9150
      @mgaeeeee9150 11 місяців тому +12

      Her sister claims that she used the knife to cut vegetables in her car during lunch breaks at work..... that's not bizarre at all...........

    • @AnnaBelll.e
      @AnnaBelll.e 11 місяців тому +1

      Right?

    • @TimJBenham
      @TimJBenham 11 місяців тому +10

      Lots of people keep a knife in their car.

    • @AcidCasper17
      @AcidCasper17 11 місяців тому +11

      Even if the knife was legitimately left in the car, Bernadette still grabbed it before confronting Kiersten. There was some premeditation.

    • @denisepleines1513
      @denisepleines1513 8 місяців тому

      Yup, Bernadette's sister was cutting cucumbers !

  • @didamnesia3575
    @didamnesia3575 11 місяців тому +23

    I live in this area, Orinda is extremely wealthy mixed with middle class. Its a town you dont want to be middle class in. Which tbh is most of the bay area. Orinda is ruled by the sheriffs dept, as are all 5 wealthy towns in contra costa county. The contra costa county sheriffs dept does not arrest "residents" of these towns. They have extremely "low" *cough* rates of crime because of this.

    • @deborahblackvideoediting8697
      @deborahblackvideoediting8697 11 місяців тому +4

      That's one way for them to keep the crime rate down! I guess that's why they never bothered to check her alibi!

    • @didamnesia3575
      @didamnesia3575 11 місяців тому

      @@deborahblackvideoediting8697
      Exactly. If you don't ever arrest anyone, and keep saying "it's your word against their's" then the crime rate stays low.
      the sheriffs out here are a joke. I know it gets over-used in this age, but the sheriffs out here are corrupt and derelict. One town in the county had 50% of its officers sidelined in a current fbi investigation. (Antioch PD)

  • @LynnCooks
    @LynnCooks 11 місяців тому +12

    Schools have always been & remain today just a big "popularity contest". Thankfully I survived high school in the late 80s by being blissfully invisible. My own teen daughter chose to attend a special STEM High School where academics were the main focus & most of the drama teens experience in high school didn't exist there. My son, who is a senior this year has had a rough High School experience...he is very happy he is almost done with it.

    • @missp498
      @missp498 7 місяців тому

      Single sex schools are better for everyone but they keep forcing everyone together. I think that's weird.

  • @pambennett3390
    @pambennett3390 11 місяців тому +14

    Reminds me of why I hated high school.

  • @peggyrogers7012
    @peggyrogers7012 11 місяців тому +3

    I think you nailed it in this one. Thank you for such clear and concise analysis.

  • @wigglebolt4079
    @wigglebolt4079 11 місяців тому +4

    We saw you on investigation discovery the other day! My husband started clapping 👏🏼

  • @keithpreston6968
    @keithpreston6968 11 місяців тому +3

    Your logic is actually scary considering the culture we live in please keep these videos coming!

  • @dianarogers7222
    @dianarogers7222 11 місяців тому +8

    Rejection and rage go together, she was enraged at her rejection and acted on it

  • @imtired6104
    @imtired6104 11 місяців тому +2

    Interesting video as always Dr. Grande! For some reason this reminded me of the story of Kaitlyn Arquette, who was killed here in Albuquerque in 1989. Her mother was the famous young adult fiction author Lois Duncan.

  • @arieldavis3662
    @arieldavis3662 11 місяців тому +11

    Hey Dr. Grande! I’m wondering if you could analyze the case of Cedric Marks in Killeen Texas? He was recently given a death sentence after being found guilty of double homicide (both of which his victims I knew), and is suspected of having also killed a couple other people back in Oklahoma several years ago.
    I hope today finds you well, and God bless from Texas!

    • @Reclaim-the-Rainbow
      @Reclaim-the-Rainbow 11 місяців тому +1

      Are you in Killeen? I’m watching from Round Rock. 🪨

    • @arieldavis3662
      @arieldavis3662 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Reclaim-the-Rainbow not in Killeen, but in a very close-by town to it! (apologies for being vague, i just don’t wanna accidentally doxx myself online or anything lol)

  • @BillieYoung-tl5qr
    @BillieYoung-tl5qr 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm glad you did this video,I had only seen the movie and it made the murder victim look like this terrible person, which if she was no reason to stab her anyway,in the movie it showed the murderer in a good light ,kind of strange,I guess they just went based on what the killer said, which is unfair because the victim obviously couldn't take up for herself to say what happened

  • @sourceNsellenSarah
    @sourceNsellenSarah 11 місяців тому +3

    I enjoy hearing your analysis and clever remarks! Thank you

  • @cctxn6845
    @cctxn6845 11 місяців тому

    Thanks!

  • @kurotoshironosenshi
    @kurotoshironosenshi 11 місяців тому +4

    Dr. Grande, thank you for your analysis. I find your assessment accurate and well-thought-out. The goal-oriented behavior of the subject starting from the point of grievance all through the investigation and the trial, even in the attempts to blur the signs of premeditation, is quite disturbing and seems to have been downplayed by the system.

  • @patrikfloding7985
    @patrikfloding7985 11 місяців тому +1

    Love all episodes!
    I do wonder how many "situations like this" there could be, however...

  • @belindatafe4787
    @belindatafe4787 11 місяців тому +6

    I followed this case back in the day & Bernadette got off so lightly after murdering an innocent girl due to her jealousy

  • @tessajones9393
    @tessajones9393 11 місяців тому +11

    I just watched the death of a cheerleader film here free on UA-cam a few days ago! I was actually wondering if you covered the case! ☕

  • @commonsense2680
    @commonsense2680 11 місяців тому +9

    When I was in high school I resented the entire hierarchy of popularity and complained about it, but there were always adults that assured me when I grew up that such high school rules would mean nothing, and the popular people would not mean much as adults in our working worlds. But what I found as an adult is there is still always this hierarchy of popularity in any group whether at the office, at sports clubs, at any social or academic group, anywhere there is a group of people, and mostly the basis of popularity remains the same; first it is looks, those people that look the most beautiful or handsome draw alot of friends and invitations to parties, then of course comes money, those who didn't necessarily look good but showed off their money with clothing, cars, bragging about work position, etc., then if the group really has sensible people, the one's with great personalities and senses of humor, who deserve to be popular, may become popular with the group. But it always continues, the desire to be popular and liked; as it seems like a survival instinct to have the herd like you so they can protect you at a time of need I suppose. I don't know if the items that make someone seem popular will ever change. I think since humans have existed, the best looking ones (whatever is considered good looking for that group) is always the most popular. I don't think that will change, it appears to be a natural instinct to gravitate towards attractive people. I have even seen babies smile more and get more bubbly at the better looking human being, just on instinct. As Keats said "A thing of beauty is a joy forever" I guess. I've always been somewhere in the middle, not ugly but not gorgeous so I never resented society's favoritism over looks but I still believe it is so superficial given that I have known some really stupid, annoying, mean-spirited human beings who looked beautiful. And it is so sad that people would kill over something so superficial.

    • @adriel7229
      @adriel7229 11 місяців тому +3

      I've observed the same and I really believe the real privileged class in America is the good-looking. I'm actually glad I'm not part of it because while they live according to their lived experience they don't live in reality and it adds a layer of difficulty for them to attain actually virtuous traits. As a young adult I studied abroad and two of my roommates were beautiful girls from eastern Europe and I was surprised to find they did not have the arrogance and haughtiness that pretty girls in the US have. It really made me think about it. My bf is chubby and middle-aged now. As a child he was overweight but then as a young man he was in excellent shape and very good-looking. He says people treat you very differently and want you for everything (friendship, romance, jobs, etc) when you're pretty. He tries to be equally friendly with everybody.

    • @RepentImmediately
      @RepentImmediately 11 місяців тому +2

      The desire to be popular is an extrovert thing... people who enjoy their own company typically don't care about that kind of stuff. For many, being part of a herd is totally undesirable. But a lot of people are conditioned to care what other people think.

  • @MrsSeaHag
    @MrsSeaHag 11 місяців тому +3

    I have carried a couple sets of silverware, butter and steak knives included, in my glove box for when I’m eating lunch or dinner on the road. I’ve done that for at least 50 years and never once thought it to be strange. It started when I had braces on and had to cut my food and plastic utensils just didn’t work.

  • @jessicacis8246
    @jessicacis8246 11 місяців тому +3

    Very informative review of this case. Thanks Dr. Grande!

  • @Casinogirl56
    @Casinogirl56 11 місяців тому +2

    The movie is an oldie but goodie. Going to watch it tonight. Great video once again!

  • @PrincessofPower84
    @PrincessofPower84 11 місяців тому +5

    Thank you for this analysis. I watched "Death of a Cheerleader" (or "A Friend To Die For") and I hated how they made Kirsten's character into some stereotypical "mean girl" who somehow deserved her death and Bernadette's character into some poor, put-upon "victim" who we're supposed to root for. It's a sick, sad case. Rest in peace.

    • @catherineblair550
      @catherineblair550 10 місяців тому

      That is what Kristen was. How can you imagine anything different? You must have been in the in crowd in school.

  • @Panwere36
    @Panwere36 11 місяців тому +43

    This is the tragedy of "high school clique culture". It is sad that Bernadette Protti felt such despair at not being on a cheerleader that she resorted to murder.

    • @blaisebaileyfinnegan8202
      @blaisebaileyfinnegan8202 11 місяців тому +18

      I feel more sad for the person she murdered.

    • @Panwere36
      @Panwere36 11 місяців тому +11

      @@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202, no one is not feeling sad for her. However, the school "clique culture" is how we have people have such askew views.

    • @gusgrizzel8397
      @gusgrizzel8397 9 місяців тому +1

      Once everyone graduates and goes to college, that's all gone. The popular people aren't so popular at a big college.

    • @Panwere36
      @Panwere36 9 місяців тому +1

      @@gusgrizzel8397, true.. and there are far often cases where "the former popular girl" is the killer. Multiple episodes of *_Deadly Women_* have segments like that.

    • @georgialee6755
      @georgialee6755 9 місяців тому +1

      Ahree. I didn’t make cheerleader plus I was bullied for a year by two witches and then the following year I was bullied by jerk guys. But I never committed murder. This was in the 80’s too. Im the same age as them

  • @Saintsand_sinners
    @Saintsand_sinners 11 місяців тому +8

    From the description of Bernadette I thought she was going to look very unattractive but honestly I don't think she was. Her envy and jealousy got the better of her, she took that to the extreme and murdered her idol. Reminds me of my pre teen years, looking up to an older better looking girl and wishing I could be like her and have her confidence, whereas I was shy and wanted blending into the scenery 😂

  • @thenaturalhuman9568
    @thenaturalhuman9568 11 місяців тому +4

    It’s possible the utensils were in the car as the sister stated, i used to leave silverware and such in the care when i was super busy in school

  • @pamelastevens1609
    @pamelastevens1609 11 місяців тому +15

    Unfortunately, if you have a group of teenaged girls in any area, you are going to see a popularity contest going on. What makes one popular may vary a bit from different decades (cheerleading is almost always the crowning feature of popularity, but today's teens also follow who has the most involved gender expression and the most ridiculous new "name") and in different regions (city vs rural; midwest vs east; weslthy area vs lower middle class; etc). I don't see this changing anytime soon.

    • @flyflyfly2123
      @flyflyfly2123 27 днів тому

      Now it’s based off of how many “followers” you have. My hs was riddled with influencers

  • @claym594
    @claym594 10 місяців тому

    Your educational videos really help me understand all these things. Gives me a new perspective when I am a passenger on an airplane. Thanks.

  • @dianecrow6068
    @dianecrow6068 11 місяців тому +10

    I am so glad this was posted! I was wondering when this would end up covered. Bernadette deserved prison for life. She should NEVER have been released!

  • @lacasadelmango8712
    @lacasadelmango8712 11 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for covering this case Dr. Grande. I've always been interested in it since I saw the movie in the 90s. I'd be cool if you could cover the Missy Avila murder, which was also dramatized into a movie by Lifetime.

  • @jillruben8924
    @jillruben8924 11 місяців тому +3

    Excellent analysis Dr Grande. What a shame she was let out so early. Wonder what became of her?

  • @ayox3883
    @ayox3883 11 місяців тому +3

    i specifically remember when I was in grade school my classmate laughed at my thin plastic pencil case because it had a hole on the bottom, it is amazing how a person rudeness or kindness can have a lasting impression.
    We should choose Kindness 🙏❤️

    • @ssdfgardiner1233
      @ssdfgardiner1233 4 місяці тому

      I agree with you. I knew them both and was in their class. I just need to say this because Kirsten's name has been dragged through the mud. From everything I remember about Kirsten, she was very sweet. I never saw either of them bully anyone, which isn't to say they didn't. I just never saw it. I didn't know Bernadette as well, but she was in the same clique and never spoke to me because I wasn't popular.

  • @Bebecat477
    @Bebecat477 11 місяців тому +4

    Agreed Doc. Jealous, envious, planned.

    • @denisepleines1513
      @denisepleines1513 8 місяців тому

      Except for the knife. That just happened cuz her sister sliced cucumbers in the car

  • @williamj.dovejr.8613
    @williamj.dovejr.8613 9 місяців тому +2

    Everyone has someone who sees you as their competition and a threat. Very few are any serious competition or threat... it only takes one.

  • @michaelgreer9023
    @michaelgreer9023 11 місяців тому +3

    "The Tragedy of Mimetic Desire"- Professor Girard and the Bloody Deeds of Bernadette Protti
    Whenever we spend time reflecting on human actions and human behaviors we make judgements based on first principles. Dr. Grande has his first principle: "do no harm"-a sort of Hippocratic Oath and Professor Girard had his: "desire is always learned by watching others desire something, not for the thing itself." We can immediately apply this second principle to the case of Bernadette Protti.
    What did Bernadette want? She wanted all the things that Kirsten Costas had. No one "wanted" the things that the Protti family enjoyed. At least not in this scenario. Someone living in the slums of Oakland might actually find a reason to envy Bernadette. When desire becomes aware of itself in someone's mind it then becomes a driving force dissolving one's appreciation of the things one actually has. So then you see, murder becomes the only way to relieve the hell of desiring what others desire. Thank you.

  • @m.f.richardson1602
    @m.f.richardson1602 11 місяців тому +2

    Always interesting.
    Thank you

  • @batshuayaddah1567
    @batshuayaddah1567 8 місяців тому +3

    I saw the movie with Kellie Martin and Tori Spelling. Kellie did an excellent job playing the part of the murderer. Difficult to understand why someone would be that jealous of someone else. Live your own life.

    • @ssdfgardiner1233
      @ssdfgardiner1233 4 місяці тому

      I knew them both and was in their class. I'm just going to keep saying this when someone brings up that movie (and it's probably going to annoy everyone): Please do not believe that garbage. Both girls are portrayed as very different from who they were. The killer in that was based on a girl who was severely bullied, not on Bernadette. From everything I remember about Kirsten, she was very sweet. I didn't know Bernadette as well, but she was in the same clique and never spoke to me.

    • @flyflyfly2123
      @flyflyfly2123 27 днів тому +1

      @@ssdfgardiner1233thank you for telling the truth! I am tired of people saying Kirsten bullied Bernadette. She was jealous and killed her due to being jealous. She should still be in prison if you ask me!

  • @willielothberg4217
    @willielothberg4217 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for yor time and effort creating consistent high value content on this channel. Could you please do a video on the David Camm case? I have searched around and I think you have not done that one yet. If Im wrong please send me a link.

  • @johnfox9169
    @johnfox9169 11 місяців тому +11

    I agree with you about the degree of murder and that lie detection is largely pseudoscience

  • @Archjr2000
    @Archjr2000 11 місяців тому +2

    Doc. Please consider looking into Perry Caravello, of Windy City Heat. There’s a lot to unpack there.

  • @Katz_Pajamas
    @Katz_Pajamas 11 місяців тому +24

    I wonder why Kirsten didn't just stay at home when she got dropped off. If only she hadn't decided to walk to her friend's house she would have been safe. Maybe she didn't have a key to get in when her parents were away. It's crazy how one tiny insignificant decision can change your whole life or even end it without you even being aware of it.

    • @KaarinaKimdaly
      @KaarinaKimdaly 11 місяців тому +1

      Did he not say in this video that she could not get into her family home?

    • @enjoystraveling
      @enjoystraveling 11 місяців тому +5

      Kirsten’s parents were not home yet, so I’m guessing she didn’t think it was safe there to be alone at her house so she was trying to get her neighbors that was at home.

    • @coll4455
      @coll4455 11 місяців тому

      This is heartbreaking

    • @safuu202
      @safuu202 9 місяців тому

      Kirsten couldn’t get into her house bc she didn’t have the keys. Her parents were away at her brothers baseball game. She was not walking to a friends house.
      That’s why Kirsten headed to her neighbors house to stay until they got back but as she was approaching her neighbors front door is when Bernadette attacked her.

  • @MEL2theJ
    @MEL2theJ 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏

  • @magules13
    @magules13 11 місяців тому +4

    It’s pretty easy to find Bernadette’s new identity with a quick search. The resemblance is uncanny.

  • @mario-qi3yw
    @mario-qi3yw 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for analyzing this case Dr Grande😊I can’t understand these cases where people are driven to kill those who they think are more successful, popular, gifted. What happened to self acceptance of who you are??

  • @puspavelai8353
    @puspavelai8353 11 місяців тому +6

    Methinks, this teenager had been 'curious' of her 'subject' of envy, for too long,and just having muddled thoughts on what, and why this was so. Most probably, up close and personal, her own ego, saw herself be 'silly' and 'mistaken' about her "subject of jealousy" and she felt ashamed for herself. So, perhaps by 'erasing' the 'mistake' - the subject of her *"grudge"*- she was "correcting" her own life. I feel, if "triggered" the wrong way, this woman could allow this 'inferior complex fantasies' to emerge again - nine years, even is not enough in that case.

  • @katisugarbaker7349
    @katisugarbaker7349 11 місяців тому +6

    Kirsten died as a result of a preponderance of reasons, though the last factor was Bernadette’s envy.

  • @lizmarie6811
    @lizmarie6811 11 місяців тому +3

    Dr Grande, would you please analyze the recently released A&E episode about George & Cindy Anthony and pseudoscientific nonsense?

  • @olivesheridan1175
    @olivesheridan1175 11 місяців тому +2

    I agree with you Dr Grande 💯

  • @dex1lsp
    @dex1lsp 11 місяців тому +12

    As a native San Franciscan, I can confirm that Orinda is one of those really creepy rich suburbs that every major metro area has, where pressure to conform and be "popular" is intense. It's the pretty much the opposite of the free-spirited, open-minded environment where I grew up in The City. I've only been there very briefly maybe twice in my life that I can remember (and I'm pretty sure I was only at the BART station one of those times), but that place seriously gives me uncanny Truman Show vibes, so I hope I never have to go there again for any reason.

    • @svenskanorsk
      @svenskanorsk 10 місяців тому

      I grew up in a poor rural farm town and it’s no different than how you describe the “rich” suburbs. This is human nature. You live in a bubble.

    • @maryfields877
      @maryfields877 10 місяців тому

      ​​@@svenskanorskI can assure you, no one that grows up in the city of San Francisco lives in a bubble. Quite the opposite!

    • @BrianOSheaPlus
      @BrianOSheaPlus 8 місяців тому

      That's a very detailed opinion to have of a place you've barely been to.

  • @rml9121
    @rml9121 9 місяців тому +2

    Bernadette Protti changed her name to Jeanette Tomanka. She moved to Oklahoma and received a degree in nursing. She also writes/ edits medical textbooks. She now lives in Northwest Oregon with her husband.

  • @gigicolada
    @gigicolada 11 місяців тому +6

    Painfully obvious that this was premeditated. Involving Kirsten’s mother in this plan is demonic. Maybe she won’t kill again, but where is the justice? Rip Kirsten 💔

  • @NeldaJackson-t4m
    @NeldaJackson-t4m 3 місяці тому

    I always thought that this movie villianized the victim, Kirstin, and tried to shine a light of innocence on Bernadette. I myself was painfully shy and from a poor family, I was bullied a lot but I never thought that high school bullies need to die. I was hesitant to watch this video but I'm glad that I saw it through to the end, thank you for making it

  • @bthomson
    @bthomson 11 місяців тому +4

    I can so remember the feelings of competition in school. Even in Band the first players in a section( clarinets, flutes etc.) were envied! Never mind the insanity over becoming a cheerleader! 🏈📣👗

  • @LoreleiCatherine
    @LoreleiCatherine 7 місяців тому +2

    I was bullied from literally the time I entered, pre-K up until I left school because of the bullying at age 16 in my junior year. I had one more year and it was so bad that I could not take it anymore. Throughout those years I would have thoughts creep in occasionally about hurting others, but Those thoughts went away just as fast as they came in because I could never hurt another human being. No matter how much they hated and hurt me. And as a kid and as a teen I figured they bullied me because I was worth nothing because I was the things they said, and the only person I was most likely to hurt was myself. I would love to be able to go back and do it again with the confidence I have now but even then, feeling like the dirt beneath some filth pot’s fingernails I never could’ve killed someone just because I wished I had what they had. There is truly something wrong with Bernadette. Something in her head, in her entire being wasn’t and may still not be right.

    • @ssdfgardiner1233
      @ssdfgardiner1233 4 місяці тому

      Thank you! I agree. Just to be clear, I was in their class and knew both of them. I feel like Kirsten's name has been dragged through the mud. I never saw her bully anyone. I was unpopular, and she was sweet to me while I found Bernadette to be quite snobby. I was bullied, too, by the way, but I usually had a smart insult ready to fight back with--not always, though. I think it is still very common. It's good to teach kids not to bully--nobody stopped it back then--but I think it would be good to teach kids how to deal with a bully, too. Glad to hear you got your well-deserved confidence!

  • @steveptasznik6147
    @steveptasznik6147 11 місяців тому +3

    My first car was a bright orange Pinto. I want to make it clear that not all kids who drove a Pinto are murderers.