Daughter Enjoys Luxurious Lifestyle Before Murdering Mother | Joanne Witt Case Analysis
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allowing a man, especially a stranger, of any age to live in your home with you and your teenage daughter (or son) is a No No.
No kidding. What was she thinking? That girl's father should have been there, but who knows that story? He was probably a worthless pig and the source of that girl's anti-social DNA, to the extent her predisposition is genetic. You don't just go around having sex and kids with anybody, but there are a lot of guys out there who are perfectly happy with that arrangement - as long as it doesn't involve marriage, raising, and paying for a child. We can pronounce the social experiment for nearly 60 years a catastrophic failure.
I'd agree to it as long as he agreed to let me remove his genitalia.
True. It's never a great idea, even with relatives.
Super bad judgement to let a guy live there!
She succumbed to pressure from the only other one in the house, with no support for rational thought and decent arguments against it.
The brat got away with murder. Unbelievable.
Not just murder. Matricide.
She didn't get away with it. She is going to jail for at least 15 years and hopefully more. I agree with Dr. Grande that the sentence was too light, though
She has already been released from prison.
@@MsSilverTulip 15 years when you are only 15 means that you'll still have a whole life ahead of you when you get out (never mind not serving your full sentence, as usually happens).
15 years when you took a life, never mind your own MOTHER's life, is getting away with it.
she'll get let out early if she's not already out, shes a woman
I'm sick of " little kids" and their partners killing parents and the " kid" gets a few years and the older one gets life. A murderer is a murderer and should get properly punished. She knew exactly what she was doing and now gets to go on about her life. Disgusting. She's guilty and should still be locked up
Agreed, the older you get, the more you see the same things over and over, the more you know these kids have become desensitised and no matter how they feel after the reality sets in, there are no excuses, there are horrible spoilt kids that don't kill, there are broken and abused kids that don't kill, something is really missing to kill your own mum 😑😣🥺❤.
Yes!
It’s because she took the plea deal she got less time. She turned on her partner in crime that lessened her own sentence. It sucks, but that is how our Legal System works.
Couldn't agree more. I think a lot of kids become insanely jealous when they realize they will never be as successful as their parents. At this point they would rather they were dead, and had the money. More often than not, it is about money. The spoiled, entitled kids think the parents should just hand over the money, or else....
saraharper was it your experience that you had to take sides with your parents' incompetence against yourself to survive?
I would die for my mom, this story deeply saddens me.
The world is a sad place
@@David19795all these girls growing up without dads is ruining generations. tyler didn’t love steven , she wanted a fatherly figure
I have been friends with many only children of single moms (not sure why? Lol), but all of them are doing well today with normal lives.
Tyler was not properly punished, and she's wandering around free in society. She will likely do something terrible again to someone else. 15 years is ridiculously low for the death of her mother. Shame on the court system.
Your, americans leading still ridiculous XVI century protestant moral. It is time to understand that it is time to decriminalise killing. We have anyway too much people on the Earth. My opinion is to start from climaactivists.
Hopefully she never becomes a mother herself, her mother did not survive her, imagine a child.
@@olasmith8132 hopefully she does and she get a worse child than she was!
She is the product of excess wealth. Protected from the top down.
@@MWatsula I know working class women like this too. I think some people are just born sort of evil - it doesn't matter how you raise them.
You can’t just give kids whatever they want. It’s HARD WORK to be a parent and give your kids RULES. But it is part of the job description.
It doesn't matter how many rules, how many corrections you do or implement with some kids though some kids are pure evil and never grow past that egotistical face they have when they are little, having children is like playing the lottery
Why kids in the first place? Choose dogs
RULES?! ABUSE!!!!!!
@@ms.shineraytrue
@@Fractal_blipyep..give them TOTAL FREEDOM (IE Law of the jungle)...yaaaaay. it's all good until you meet someone BIGGER...haha
The biggest problem in our materialistic society is that parents conflate nurturing and love with indulgence! They only end up creating little spoiled monsters
Really? How about the part where the mom beat her daughter to the point of losing her for 6 months, then neglecting her to the point where the kid is doing cocaine with her adult BF?
@@YoYo-gt5iq Abuse / neglect and indulgence, the two aren't exclusive. The infamous DeFeo case (what the Amityville Horror was based around), the father of the house was said to be physically and verbally abusive to the family and especially to the eldest son who would (allegedly) later end up killing the entire household on his own. But the dad would apparently also overindulge the son, buy him expensive gear, hooked him up with work in the family business, allowed him to keep his own hours while drinking and drugging himself as much as he wanted. He was known around town as a wild kid, who somehow had access to nice watches, a car, money, drugs, etc.
The biggest problem in our society is fatherless homes. This has become a horrible pattern. Most crimes are committed by children who are raised without a father in the home. They have the highest criminal rate, drop out rate, pregnancy rate, and drug usage rate. There is a reason that it takes both a mom and a dad to create a child. It provides balance in the children’s lives as each parent brings different things into the development if the child.
@@robinbond7878families can be healthy and raise non violent children easily without a father. Some couples are lesbians obviously
@robinbond7878 although i will agree certain aspects of a child (likelihood of depression, etc.) has been linked to fathercare, i wouldn't consider that the biggest problem. The biggest problem is the lack of love and understanding within these families. So many of them are dysfunctional, with and without a father. You don't need a father to grow up healthily, you need a loving parent that nurtures you, and in a place where poverty and stress is so rampant, many children don't get that love from even their own mothers. Its unfortunate
I think some people judge this mom too harshly. All sorts of nice people, married or not, rich or poor, have problems with their kids when they’re teenagers, and you don’t really even know what rules the mom did or did not have. Most parents are trying to do their best for their kids, whom they love very much, and those years are the hardest and most full of misunderstandings and strife. If you made it through those years without any crisis, consider yourself lucky and don’t arrogantly think it’s because you’re so much better than other people. Be grateful and have compassion.
exactly..
All the individuals in this case had serious issues. The mother was raising a daughter alone while struggling w a serious illness and alcoholism. She did her best under difficult circumstances may she RIP The daughter, a child really, was raised by an emotionally struggling mother and is clearly mentally unstable. The boyfriend was bullied and had no friends his own age. Just a horrific situation all around not an occasion for readers to judge so harshly. I’d hate to be an alcoholic with lupus and trying to raise a daughter w serious mental issues and a raging boarder she naively thought was helpful who was having sex w her daughter- horrible scenario! Those of us with less challenging lives should be thankful. Honestly wonder why people have children at all so sad
Yes. I love your statement here. Sometimes, kids are just spoiled brats. People really need to stay out of how others parent.
How is letting a man live under your roof with your teenage daughter acceptable?
Having a loving husband, and father to her young daughter, could have a made a BIG difference too. Sad.
I've been seeing a disturbing pattern of many of these judges condemning a convicted criminal with hard words, then proceeding to give them a light sentence. It is hypocritical of the judges, and actions speak louder than words.
Judges help the murder rate increase
Exactly! If you think they're worthy of that kind of criticism, they're deserving of a sentence to match. They're either not guilty or guilty. There's no third option where you get to give them a lecture but set them free on the public to do more harm. And if they didn't GAF what their parents had to say about their life choices (to the point they plotted their murder) why would they care what a complete stranger says?
I don't know all the circumstances of this case and the charges and related laws, but often judges are limited by the state/federal law in how much of a sentence they can give someone. They aren't limited though to their comments upon sentencing. We often condemn judges, but their hands are also often tied in regard to the sentence and charges. We all tend to look at these cases as pure murder but from a legal standpoint there can be big differences in potential sentences for first degree vs second degree murder and also manslaughter. Society though has a right to be concerned when someone who has participated in what was clearly a premeditated act is now out on the streets.
It's how a lot of these narcissistic self-centered degenerates are raised. NO CONSISTENCY in upbringing! Parents do NOT follow thru with discipline or punishment and it waters down their view of authority.
I agree! She asked for a deal and prosecutors likely reduced the charges. Although it’s likely that did take part in the murder, she never admitted harming her mother. She blamed just about everything on the boyfriend.
Tyler is guilty a heck! She gets off because she was the first to rat her BF out. Why is this acceptable?
It’s not!
She was also a minor throughout much of the relationship. She knew Steve would get a stiffer penalty as an adult. She used Steve. She didn't love anyone but herself.
Bc if they don't make plea deals every court case becomes infinitely longer and more expensive.
The justice system would come to a standstill.
Because the judge had a rodent's nest where his brain should be. That poor woman.
Prisoners dilemma
I looked up Steven and he is currently housed I a prison medical unit for inmates with psychiatric or other medical issues. The daughter should have gotten life too.
This is so heartbreaking. So disgusting. To plan your mother’s murder is a very evil person. 😢
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about the absence of real cacti in a backdrop like this.
Hilarious
😂
I can't believe she's not still in prison. She shold be....
When a male and a female commit a crime together, the justice system assumes that the female only did it because of the influence of the male. She's a perfect saint without his negative influence.
@@Aqua--Fyremore than that I'm worried of the people near her
@@Aqua--Fyre Yeah, such people have no incentive to change their life. There's nothing in it for them.
I can't believe it's not butter
Agree 💯
I can't believe they gave the daughter 2nd degree murder when it was premeditated
Justice system is fucked up anywhere you see in this country.
I could have gotten by with the charge because they used her to put the guy away for life but the judge should have given her more jail time.
Don't the number of stabs alone suggest the daughter? This was not just a killing, it was emotional suggesting the daughter
I agree, it's overkill and the daughter hated her mother with a passion
yes
You're right. He didnt need to overkill the mom
And all the action took place in the mothers bedroom. So it sounds like the daughter did it at night as the mother was sleeping. (while the BF wasn't even there).
I can understand wanting to give your kids everything you can to make them happy, but boy can it create some of the worst human beings if there aren’t limits
Nonsense. Stop blaming the victim. Some humans are born evil and rotten to the core.
@@dammar117 I think you are right, some are jus evil
I think the drugs and bad choices r a factor. Blaming mom is not fair
@@nettiea9384 I'm not blaming the mom in this case, I was talking in general terms. There are so many examples of ppl who were never told no growing up and they end up awful ppl. I should've clarified that.
I can’t. Children don’t need everything they ask for. What they need is time spent with their parents and a good moral foundation. I don’t know if her mom took her to church but as my parents always said, if you don’t teach your children about God when they ate young and give them a good moral foundation, they will go looking for something to fill that need. And you might not like what they fill it with! Apparently, she filled hers with Satan!
Just looking at Stephen you have to be out of your mind to even let him into your house Steven looking like a horror movie itself
A murderer don't look a certain way. Stop judging people on their looks. You're disgusting
"After striking Tyler, Joanne lost custody of her for 6 months." Murder is never justified, but I wonder about the dynamics between the parent & child. When does a parent lose custody for half a year because of one strike? There seems to be more to their relationship than we know.
Because Narcissists are lying pieces of crap, think Gabby Petito. I married a Brian Laundry. He left when he found out I was pregnant. Fast forward 12 years, our child is EXACTLY like him. Constantly Lying, Stealing, I finally gave the child to other family who think they have The Magic Solution to do the raising. We'll see. Sociopathy/psychopathy are in the DNA/Genes. Kids KNOW they can say, "my parent abuses me." And CPS jumps all over it. WHY? Follow the $$$$ MONEY. It's a BUSINESS.
Dr. Grande doesn't do long videos, but I've seen documentaries about thus crime, I remember what you're referring to. I think that after Joanne hit her, she called the police on herself because she knew she wasn't handling the situations with Tyler well. Then she spent those 6 months getting herself together (likely taking parenting classes, etc), and Tyler returned. At least, that's how I remember it, but maybe I made the whole thing up 😂.
Many of us got hit with a belt and we grew up normal!
Now its the fad to be friends and not parents and look at the aholes growing up now.
Supremacist psychology behind it all!
Yeah, I didn't get that either. Needs further details.
Why not believe it? They did it to me. The system is not what you think. They are ruining peoples lives. We need a new system. I could say so much but it would be a long read.
Ungrateful brat. Our single mother of 2 young girls ruled the roost, always. We were punished and hit, but not over the top abuse. We respected and had a fear of her at times. I'm 54, and while I question some things about my mother, I am grateful for so many others. There were boundaries, and we abided by them, for the most part. Standards. They're not for everyone.
When I was mud poor as a kid I used to be so jealous of rich kids but now as an adult I’m glad I experienced hardship so that the good things in life seem even sweeter. Also it’s very true that money doesn’t always buy happiness
You are right. Money doesn't buy happiness only happenings. Only God can give us happiness.
Money gives you security. No guarantee of hapiness.
Money doesn't buy happiness, but you can rent it.
@@leonardocastagna9295i like that line 😂
Many many of my friends lived similarly privileged lives...myself included. Not one of us became a murderer. Horses, pools, guitars etc don't create killers. There was something much more disturbing wrong with that child.
yeah, part of it is the parenting
@@reneegardner2286yep. There's so much that goes into that level of sociopathic behavior. Biology, bad parenting, past trauma...but riding lessons probably didn't cause it...
Drug addiction is a powerful factor. Some people see getting clean as a near death experience.
@@reneegardner2286 you're so judgemental. You must be bloody perfect.
Well yeah obviously. But that's why you just should not give kids that much privilege. We don't always know from the very beginning who's going to turn out to be evil. You can mitigate that by not feeding into their entitlement. There should always be a level of boundaries, work ethic, and being told "no" sometimes.
Something has to go SO wrong in that parenting for a 14 year old girl to even considering murdering *anyone*, let alone her own mother.
What a disgusting comment.
Or she's just a psychopath and narcissist using drugs
I would probably go on to say that something has gone incredibly wrong with broader society that so many dysfunctional households and cases of matricide/patricide exist.
My mom spoiled me like crazy (for our income bracket) and let me do just about whatever I wanted to an extent that definitely wasn't safe or conducive to developing life skills. She was a very intelligent and loving woman, which you might not guess by how she let me run rampant, however... HER childhood was defined by poverty, drunkenness and multiple types of abuse which were normalized and not talked about in the 50s & 60s... I don't think she ever talked to a therapist or even considered it, and as a result of that trauma, my mom couldn't bear to see me in any kind of distress, and she also had a really hard time with enforcement and confrontation. She worked incredibly hard to provide for my sister and me (dad had died) and protect us from the evils she'd experienced in the world, while both of her sisters carried the family torch of alcoholism and abuse. My cousins all had traumatic encounters with the foster care system, but it wouldn't be quite fair to blame their mother, because the reason why she developed personality and substance use disorders was because what was done to her by her parents. She was also severely bullied in school. And we could blame her parents, but they were sick with prior trauma, too. Her mom (my gramma) was r*p*d by her uncle and punished for telling, among other things. In her community at that time, it was normal for girls to be mIstd by their uncles but it was decidedly not normal to talk about it. I didn't mean to go on for so long, but the point is that the world has been messed up for a minute. Everyone's reacting to everyone reacting to things that happened before their parents were even born, so maybe it isn't quite fair to chalk everything up to bad parenting when we can also look back and see that individuals are carrying trauma that was enabled or even endorsed by the surrounding culture/community.
So you’re victim blaming
Some people are born EVIL!
*It's troubling to think if someone planned your murder, had another commit it **_and they only get 15 years!_* 15 years! That's a blip in this girls life...she'll be able to go on with her life like nothing happened... *what about the mother? Is she able to walk free in 15 years?* No, she's gone forever because of a selfish little brat who thought of nothing, but herself. The system is screwed up! Start making these kids pay for committing such horrific acts! Make them stay in prison for a bare minimum of 50 years...DP would be even better and if not that, than life without parole. They got it right with him, but she's out there walking free! WTF
System fucked up. Not only here, but everywhere. What happened to OJ, the crimes in CA these days? It is on the way to toilet and drain.
This is a great pro-abortion story, too
I think she should have gotten life as the young man did. She manipulated him and she will do the same again. He was gullible enough to do as she wanted. Neither should be out and about in society as both awe dangerous.
He will be in prison when he sees Tyler living a rich Lifestyle with a new Boyfriend. She will forget about him and his life is thrown away.
For what did he do it? He got nothing good from this or from his love for Tyler. When Tyler asked him to murder her mom, he should have said No to her. This one word that Tyler needed to hear more often since she was a small child. I hope that he will find god and Jesus in prison and doesn't throw away this last chance to change.
A 14 year old *CHILD* did not manipulate a grown ass man. He knew damn well what he was getting into including engaging in statutory rape.
She's a spoiled brat and sociopath. She deserves more.
But he is too. A 14 year old can't 'manipulate' an adult into murdering someone like that. If a 14 year old asks you to kill someone, any reasonable adult will say no.
Man if this isn't the worst case of pussy whipping I've ever heard about I don't know what is. That dude got royally fucked, in all ways. I bet she hasn't even been to visit him.
@@Boobeinstein that 14 child is a self admitted pathological liar who planned her moms death, murdered her, tried to fake insanity and knew to take a plea deal for a light sentence. before that she manipulated her mom to letting the BF live with them. but sure a teenaged “child” can never manipulate people
Drugs and alcohol, such big contributing factors, and a daughter who was given freedom when she was not an adult. So she hated her mother. My mother knew how to do an intervention that was proportionate to my mistake, and the result was I learned how to maintain respect and not hate her for a rebuke. I came to know she was usually (always) right.
But, isn’t that also partially due to your personality type? Some people don’t see the world in the same way. They feel resentful, self righteous, entitled, etc.
I think this mom definitely did her version of an intervention when she realized she’d been duped. And her daughter hated her for it.
@@dontmindme633first if all I would NEVER bring a stranger into my home. I don't care what my daughter says.
Well aren’t you so much better than this victim.
@@twocents7495Who are you responding too the OP or @glow? If it's @glow then I'd respond "Yes I'm better, by virtue of the fact that I'm still alive." But that's just me.
It's important to note that she did not get to choose how she felt about her mother. All anyone could do is witness her bad feelings, including her and her mother. Her mother was probably a practicing pigeon parent. Love and respect do not come from a will to love or respect. They come naturally from good feelings about another person, feelings we don't control from situations and behaviors nobody gets to control. I have no reason to believe that Joanne ever really connected with her daughter at an emotional level based upon these events. She bears some responsibility in her own demise. However, this girl belongs in prison, sequestered from peaceful but vulnerable society; not as an act of punishment or vindication; just as an act of actual interest in public safety. The killer her mother helped create is still a killer and is absolutely dangerous.
Disturbing and terrifying that Tyler got away with being the mastermind of killing her mother. 🤮🤮🤮😭😭😭😱😱😱
Why does she only get 15 years? She deserves at least life.
I am with you 100%
Because she’s just an adolescent at 14. Your prefrontal cortex doesn’t even fully mature until the ages 25-30. At 14 you’re barely entering adolescence.
I think Tyler was the one who killed her mother. I think Steven was the accessory.
Oh my goodness! Me too! 😭
I agree. Twenty stab wounds sounds personal. If he had done it, it would have been one and done. The daughter had the passionate hatred evident in the numerous stab wounds. Now she's free and he'll never see the light of day. Unfortunately, she'll murder again and she's been given a tacit "ok" to do so with this lenient sentence after her horrific murderous stabbing perpetrated against her own mother.
@@ponygirlusa yes I believe Tyler committed the murder for the reasons you stated
Still if he wasnt in her life it wouldn’t have happened. If the mother had some exterior help for her difficulties she would have welcomed him in the house like she did just for the little help he brought to her.
14 is the worst age for girls, they seem insensitive and entitled, and tend to take advantage of a single parent’s weakness to dominate them. It’s very sad that the bad influence and lack of guidance created such hell because usually when they begin to work and see the world from the outside, the same girl can completely change and appreciate their mother, even thank them for not giving up on them, even begin to be responsible and make efforts. By the age of 17 they switch and you even forget how mean they were.
Instead of paying for fancy vacation and activities, she should have reached for an adult to help her around the house and put limits on the kids right away, not let that boy influence her daughter.
@@ponygirlusa Solid!
“A scenic vista dumpster.” Lolz…you slay me!!!😂😂😂
I scrolled to find you lol😂 a dumpster with a view
I cannot believe she only got 15 years in prison for Premeditated MURDER!
That is infuriating. What kind of justice is THAT?
I agree with you 100 %
She was 14? I mean that's more time than she's been alive. It's not insignificant. It's a light sentence but she was physically abused by mom, sexually abused by a male adult ,(regardless of consent) and on drugs. Bad situation. I'd have given her 20 year sentence straight , maybe parole at 85% time served.
"She insisted she represented three souls in one body.. apparently... each of them without a brain".... I spit coffee through my nose!! 😂😂 You're awesome Dr. Grande!!
Steven's speech impediment was misunderstood as a Boston accent; that is freakin' hilarious.
I’ve done that. There’s a similarity.
That sounds so rude I know, but being honest. I’ve truly made that mistake lol
Maybe he pauked his caw down on tewdy tewd street on time?
My old friend since second grade always had this Boston accent speech impediment too and in her 50’s still does. She’s Canadian lol.
I thought so too
@@theraptorsnest5891😂
I definitely believe Tyler was the one who killed her mother. 20 stab wounds is personal displaying lots of rage. Unfortunately the guy was besotted with Tyler and would do anything for her, even take the blame. I think many people let their emotions cloud their judgement and automatically assume a young girl isn’t capable of committing a heinous crime, but the guy is because he’s creepy looking!. Both of them were involved irrespective of who actually stabbed the mother, so they BOTH should have received the same sentence.
I feel the most likely scenario is they did it together. He held her down while she stabbed. That's why the DNA under the fingernails. Neither should be walking loose.
Joanne gave her daughter everything except what she needed, a responsible parent. being a responsible parent means you lay down the law and you are the parent and not your child’s friend. You tell them no and that’s it. They don’t make the rules you do. You love them and you tell them. You show them affection and guidance and direction. You encourage them as well as punish them when they disobey you. Being a good parent takes a lot of work and can be stressful but the rewards greatly exceed the work.
Giving her everything was the first mistake. Letting her bring a stranger into their home was second. Sometimes being weak and too caring isn't good. This woman lost her life because of her bad judgement.
You are exactly correct. I raised three children, two boys and a girl. My oldest son is 53 and a vice president in a big corporation. My second son is a successful in plumbing and heating. My daughter is an accountant at Harvard college. They are also wonderful parents and good, honest people. They had plenty of love, family participation as we went camping on weekends. I shared interests with them, taught my oldest to fly and he got a pilots certificate at 17 years old. My younger son and I shared RC flying as a hobby. My daughter and I shared music and she played the piano. But there was also dicipline. When I caught my youngest boy stealing a ball from a store I marched him back to the store and made him give it back and apologize. My children were taught right from wrong, to excel in school if they wanted to be successful in life, and to never judge others by race or ethnicity. I never found it hard work, I just did what I felt was the best way to raise healthy, honest, successful children that would become wonderful adults.
😂😂🤣😂🤣 Spoken like someone who has never had to try and raise a child of a Covert Narcissist. It's in the DNA and genes. Laying down the Law only gets you ATTACKED by them. My ex-husband left when he found I was pregnant. To much responsibility. I am a Military Veteran, you best believe I run a tight ship. 12 years later, our child is EXACTLY like him, constantly Lying, Stealing, refusing to be responsible for even Self-care. It's also called ODD, Opositional Defiance Disorder. Just TRY and raise one these individuals. I dare you.
@@ggeorge4144 That's nice. But I am not going to criticize a mother who was a victim killed by a crazy daughter. Not everyone has perfect parents, but they don't turn out to be killers. You can raise your kids right, do everything right, and they still do things no one understands. And vice versa. There was something very wrong with this girl. She was full of rage. She hated her mother. How do you have so much rage and hate your mother who does nothing but love you and give your everything she can? The girl was mean, sadistic, and dark. No one was there to see how the mother disciplined her daughter. I really believe she tried, and she probably felt guilty for having to do it alone without a father. She wanted her daughter to be happy. But sometimes, people are just born bad. it's nature. Something goes wrong. Missing a chip. Their history was one of constant conflict. The mother had a hard time taming her. Born evil. Also, you raised your children over 50 years ago. The world has changed a lot since. It's not enough to be a good parent when everything in the world is going to hell.
I wonder about the issue of nature vs. nurture. Who was this girl's birth father? As an adoptive parent I strongly believed nurture was the key. When my grown daughter finally met her birth mother, we were shocked by the things we took parenting credit for that may have been there all the time. And not just in looks and in mannerisms. Nature has a strong pull. Luckily, in our case nature, and our nurture, produced a lovely human.
I have a sibling who was adopted into a different family (same mother), when we met as adults it was really surprising to see that she had our facial expressions, hand movements and moved like us. She also had many of the same interests. Her interests, personality and impulses were like us but her values and habits were more similar to her adoptive family. As people, we're definitely a mix of both.
If someone inherits the genes of a parent with sociopathic tendencies, there's probably very little enviroment can do for that.
I really feel that over indulgence to small children can produce little monsters.
@@Rosemarysummers2 you can never love a child too much, neglect creates monsters, not love or over indulgence
It's in the Genes, in the DNA. I married a covert Narcissit man whose ONLY goal was to destroy me. Naturally when I got pregnant, he left. To much responsibility. Fast-forward 12 years. Our child acts EXACTLY like him constantly Lying, Stealing, running away. It's AWFUL. I finally let other family, (my side) take the child in because child refuses to do even simple self-care of attend school.
@@anaromelloSo True😔 it's in the DNA. my Narcissistic husband who tried to kill me, left when he found out I was pregnant. To much RESPONSIBILITY. Our child acts EXACTLY like, constantly Lying and Stealing.😔
The mother's fears about premature death became reality.
Let this be a lesson to all parents, never spoil your kids too much.
Spoiled
Rotten
They’re way more likely to kill you if you do. At least that’s how it seems if you watch enough true crime lol
Happens nearly 80% of the time for this generation with parents born in the 60s early 70s who are relatively well to do. We are stupid parents. Truth.
Bull.. im a parent, and theres no way you cant spoil your kids too much.
But, my kid isnt a junkie, and thats when its okay to stop spoiling your kid.
I understand completely
Blaming the child i.e. "spoiled rotten" is like "blaming the victim"(Tyler is both victim/perp). You know "her f*** answer to appease Tyler was always "gifts or buying her stuff?" (Joanne doesn't deserve to be murdered, why didn't she set up video cameras, armed). A lesson for ALL parents is to (*not be stupid) "provide structure, advice, life lessons, & growth development" NOT just wealth. Because a parasite like Steven is always waiting in the corner for next victim(literally, these type of people are everywhere..facts & statistics i.e. just look at the influx illegal drugs & meth/fentanyl addicts, violence crimes, etc. Joanne simply was not being a supportive parent like so many parents in this busy working world but thinks she showed love by buying or spending money on her kid is enough. Tragic/nightmarish story for both Joanne & Tyler in the end.👹
The sense of entitlement in murderers astounds me. My mother annoys me, so I have the right to end her life? Thanks for recording this video for us Dr Grande.
Since he was considerably taller, wouldn't blood spatter evidence determine who was doing the stabbing?
True you could figure it out !
""Blood spatter" evidence is used all the time and if Forensic Files was accurate, these dudes can tell precisely the motion and angle of the spatter.@@gabrielleandrew542
Blood spatter evidence is complete BS. Look into it if you’re curious
“Spoiled Brat of Death”, is a great title! I would have loved to have the things she was given to enjoy.
This is what I did my Masters thesis in. I focused on those under age 18 taking the life of their parent(s) with zero mental or physical abuse... I went into Forensic Psychology because I literally wanted to understand myself. My sister and I grew up in horrific abuse but I couldn't hurt a fly while my sister is, well, that empathy/sympathy "thing" she calls it, just isn't there... Thank you so much as always Doctor G.. Wait, isn't Doctor G a medical examiner, lol...
Well, she might be a psychopath, then.
@@AnDrea-lp1di I think she has it but, if this makes sense, she can turn it on and off so to speak..
The ability to disregard empathy is like a volcano. There must be a cause for the volcano to erupt but it was a volcano all along. Your sister is a volcano you aren’t.
It's the personality of the child. Not how they grew up.
Couldn't hurt a fly!..made me laugh..we were just watching psycho!❤😂
I remember these 2. Went to high school at oak ridge with the bf, he was creepy than as well. She lived 1 street down from me. Crazy to think about this story, remember it like as if it was yesterday!
The undisputed king of dry humor. We love you, Grande!
I appreciate his play on the song titles/lyrics from the band!!! 😅
I so love your sense of humor that you add to each and every upload.
Boston songs!
Dr. Grande's dry humor makes it more bearable. 😅
More Than a Feeling!
The parents never notice they are raising murderers.
Parents don't even know their children
Not just parents raising murderers. A MOTHER carrying her murderer for nine months and giving birth to them.
The fact they don't notice suggests they aren't the best parents
@@dammar117murderers are made not born
@@anthonykarnes6804 Really? Guess you haven't taken a closer look at nature. And not, it's not always about survival, but plain sadism.
Yes, some people are born evil and rotten. We just can't accept it, we prefer to blame someone else. We live in a culture of blame.
"Three souls in one body. Apparently, each of them without a brain." 😭😭😭
As a mother of five I have devoted the last 33 years of my life to my kids. I has been a freakin hard job. The tuffest job you can ever have. But now my youngest turn 18 in a couple of days, (the same age as I was when I had my oldest) and I can now see the result of my dedication. Although my job doesnt end here, it is getting easier by the minute. Just put in the labour and your kids will be fine and turn into good productive members of the society. And never ever let them take over. Because they sure will try at times 😅😬.
Great job mom 🥰. I really smiled at your post🥰. I understand your journey. Hard job indeed but looking back, I miss those years🥲. My kids are all 30ish, I’m super proud of them all🙏🏾.
@@eb0526 And I am pretty darn sure your children are just as proud of their mother as you are of them 🥰. Sending you lots of love from Sweden 🇸🇪❤️.
@@lindalundstrom4347 Awww 🥰 back at you awesome mom ❤️. Miles apart but so much in common💯❤️
My mother also had 5 children. My parents were married for 53 years. Not long long before her death (on my birthday) she told me that if she could go back and do it all over again she would've never had children.
My oldest brother was murdered 30 years ago and my little brother was in the last stages of renal failure and died the day after Christmas the following year. I know she loved me deeply though, no doubt's about that ever.
@@emeraldgreen777 I am so sorry for your loss. Nothing is worse than to lose a child. The pain is absolutely unbearable. Unfortunately I’m speaking from experience. I lost my youngest son almost twenty years ago due to medical negligence. So in all honesty, I am a mother of six. I decided early on to seek help and attend grief counseling. I didn’t want my other children to live their life in fear and in the shadow of their deceased brother. Your mother had to go through this agony twice. Sometimes people just don’t recover from that. So she was speaking from a place of devastation and heart wrenching pain. I am sure she was so proud of you and loved you dearly ❤️. God bless you and your family ❤️.
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm!
We certainly do!
I give a like every time Dr. G makes me chuckle. Which is at some point in every video!
@@dontmindme633 I like it!
Tyler should've gotten more than 15 years. If it wasn't for her, Steven would not have killed her mom.
As a parent your job is to socialise your children so that they can live with other humans and form relationships of various types.
Toddlers in adult bodies are a disaster waiting to happen.
Here we go again… blame the parents!!! How about don’t do drugs!! It’s a much more complicated problem with that messed up kid
Look, 90% of the equation is the disastrous genes that she gave her daughter.
@@nettiea9384Often times terrible parents are the catalyst for drug use
@nettiea9384 I blame the schools too, not just parents. When America finally wakes up to that nightmare, who knows. One thing is true though, they have yet to do so.
@@nettiea9384 Exactly. She was a psychopath.......
We should NOT allow the DA to give "deals" in exchange for testimony.
For one, the testimony cannot be trusted, it's tainted by a conflict of interest.
But, perhaps more concerning is that it defeats the purpose of seeking justice.
How outraged we all feel that she only got 14 years, while he got life...? → Yeah, that's the feeling of INJUSTICE!
The Justice system should hold the ideal of "Justice" above all else.🤦♂️ SMH.
Tyank you.
I remember this story! What an entitled brat she raised! Never a good idea.
Parents be Parents & discipline your children instead of wanting to be their friends! Your job is to Love & teach your children not to be their best friends!
This, right here. We're not supposed to be our childrens' FRIEND!
If only more millennial parents realized this. Hopefully Gen z will do better.
I live in the area. People were shocked by the murder and angered that Witt got off so easy. With her sense of entitlement, I wonder if we will hear again from Witt.
She was a loving mother. Not very good at rules, but a loving mother. What a rotten little girl.
The relationship between mother and daughter was toxic at a young age of Tyler and young teenage girls in their minds hope to find unconditional love and a savior to save them to get away from a toxic relationship with parents. Tyler had a lot of hate for her mom and manipulated her boyfriend to murder her mom thinking that Boston and her would be together and she'd be free to continue a relationship together.
Thank you for the video.
She was a child. She did not manipulate an adult. He should have never been in a sexual relationship with a kid to begin with and he knew murder was wrong. Don't infantilise him to justify the statutory rape and murder.
@@BoobeinsteinI agree with you for the most part but as young as she was, she was just as culpable as Boston. Her relationship with her mom was already toxic before she met Boston. She was a horrible brat. Mom tried to set rules which Tyler didn't want to comply and again this was before she met Boston. Mom was right to call the police and try to have him charged with statutory rape. She should have served longer than the 15 years.
Just because you never heard about something doesn't mean it didn't happen...crazy how so much stuff goes on in this world...rip
Where was the father during all of this?!? Parenting isn’t an easy task, so it definitely affects all involved when it’s a single parent.
"She raised her as a single mother." 01:15
@@audreylin3466 - she still had to have had a father to be conceived.
I don't know about this case, but women who exclude the child's father from bringing them up actually do the child a disservice in the long run.
Like him or not, just get used to having him included in the child's upbringing.
Many men want nothing to do with children that are born without marriage and nothing the mother can do to force him. @@friendlypiranha774
Father could've been an anonymous sperm donor.
Maybe he didn't want to be involved. @@friendlypiranha774
Thank you for the excellent job you did with this case. It's beyond sad. Clearly there were no boundaries and expectations with this family.
Tyler should have received the same sentence as he did. She is free already and he will never be free.
Dr. Grande, That was hilarious! Your Segway into Boston song titles was perfect! Keep doing what you doing it's awesome to listen to. Thanks for providing some good, interesting, funny& clean content for everyone to enjoy. As a fan just so you know some of my favorite ones you've done have been basically around the UFO people like Bob Lazar and Barney and Betty Hill and so on, you really go to town then it's hilarious, anyway thanks again!
Now I have anxiety about having children.
Life is definitely more simple if you stay single and, of course, childless.
I'm seeing a disturbing trend in these "couples" murders and how justice is determined. Much of the time if it is a young female she's given a lighter sentence (as in the case of Tyler). On the other hand, the male (as in the case of Boston) usually gets a much harsher sentence. Tyler was just as guilty if not more guilty than Boston, after all she convinced this man to murder her mother.
I noticed this too. At least I am not the only one.
Dr. Grande uploaded a new video just in time for bed! Love falling asleep to his voice- it’s very calming
You did Boston references! *HIGH FIVE* This case is a warning to all parents who think that giving their children everything they want, with few limits, is the best way to go. In the end, children thrive on structure, discipline, and Love. Tyler had little of any, so she got it from another adult. The mother is not responsible for what happened to her, ultimately. When we reach a certain age, we become accountable for what we do. Tyler certainly knew the difference between right and wrong (to a good degree), as well as what happens when you kill someone, although she seemed to lack insight into personal consequences for herself. I really hope she learned better before coming out of prison. I guess we'll find out before too long. Thank you for your expert analysis.
Excellent comment 👍
@@MEL2theJ Thank you.
It's important to note that she did not get to choose how she felt about her mother. All she could do is witness her bad feelings and that is if she was paying attention. Her mother was probably a practicing pigeon parent. Love and respect do not come from a will to love or respect. They come naturally from good feelings about another person, feelings we don't control from situations and behaviors nobody gets to control. I have no reason to believe that Joanne ever really connected with her daughter at an emotional level based upon these events. She bears some responsibility in her own demise. However, this girl belongs in prison, sequestered from peaceful but vulnerable society; not as an act of punishment or vindication; just as an act of actual interest in public safety. The killer her mother helped create is still a killer and is absolutely dangerous.
@@troy3456789 There are plenty of people who grow up like Tyler who don't become killers. They might not travel home much for holidays, either, but they are productive, non-homicidal citizens. Love and respect aren't just emotions, and relationships don't have to be perfect for someone to incorporate them. My mom wasn't there for me in many ways for the majority of my Life, but I'm taking care of her full time, and put a lot of my Life on hold to be able to do it. I'm here because she needs someone, not for myself.
Feeling Satisfied that you once again did an excellent analysis of another fascinating case, Dr. Grande!
Spoiling your kids never works. Kids need to experience failure without parents rescuing them, in order to learn the lessons required to become independent adults. Do not financially support adult children, either (or put them in your basement!). Read The Millionaire Next Door.
These cold hearted kids today are disgusting. The drugs just make them even more like monsters. Interesting points for us again. Thanks Dr G😊💛💛
To be fair, this crime happened fourteen years ago (in 2009). Parricide (killing any close relative) or matricide (killing your mother) is not a new thing, they've been legal definitions since Roman times.
The drugs unbalance them, prevent them from maturing, and allow them to temporarily escape their misdeeds.
"The love of money is the root of all evil"(1 Timothy 6:10).
@@ZestySea Of course but it's much more prevalent today helped along by drugs, guns, video games, etc.
@@user-sl8gp6gs4d I would add: love of oneself, love of illicit drugs, greed, lack of empathy are on par with $.
Tyler got away with murder.
i believe she killed her mother & that Boston was her fall guy.
Dr Grande you are my hero! Your wit, humorous sarcasm, and delivery are absolutely superb. The Boston song’s closure was well done and left me feeln’ satisfied to have watched this video.
Most people, who r sheltered and spoiled ,when growing up, dont end up murdering a parent
Your wit is partially why I watch!! You are thorough and professional! I love you calm voice , too!
Where's Tyler's dad?
Agree the sentences are light considering the crime. Nobody wins here. I’ve seen a rise in these types of stories. Very sad.
“Scenic Vista dumpster”, “apparently each without a brain”, “more than a feeling”, “don’t look back”… Lol. Your dry, subtle humor never slips by me. It does help bring some unexpected levity to this very tragic situation. 😢
Things always quickly go south fast when drugs are involved. People need to say no and learn to avoid other people that abuse drugs like THC, cocaine, LCD, and so on.
Brains can be untoppled extremely quickly with substance misuse. It's extremely dangerous to be around somebody into those things.
had their poster on my wall, listened to the 8 track non stop 6 hours a day. It was MORE than a feeling, for sure! Thanks Dr. Grande!
I love the Boston band references at the end there. Pure genius, pure comedic gold!
Really? I thought that Boston joke was too corny. But, that's why we are all so different.
rip mama. you did your best. how heart wrenching to see your daughter become full of rage and cold and heartless. what a tragedy. 46 is so young. she didnt see it coming it was in her sleep likely. my god RIP
I will never understand why people allow their children to act bizarrely or "with rage" towards their parents or siblings. When my little darling son was 5, he started acting very strange and he became enraged a couple of times when he lost while playing the Wii. Man, I could not get to the child psychologist fast enough! I started therapy, he started therapy once a week with a guy therapist and we had a family therapist come to the house once every 2 weeks. My beautiful son is 20 years old now, he's never been in fistfights, he graduated from HS and I'm happy to say he has no anger issues. As a matter of fact, occasionally he will share with me how much "brian" helped him when he was a child and he still uses some of the techniques that he learned from him all those years ago. I'm a single mother. I recognized a problem and I jumped on it. I never beat him, spanked him, yelled at him or called him names. We treat each other with respect. Just sayin.
Steven and Tyler didn't exactly have "sweet emotions". Sorry I kept thinking of Aerosmith watching the video.
They sure did "take her to the other side".
"More than a feeling" "Boston" 😂😂😂 I know this case is no laughing matter, but that was too too good. Bravo, sir!
When I saw the title, right away I knew parent and child must have had a terrible relationship. It's the same story over and over again.
Parents, you can't cheat the role nature demands of you. You can't negotiate a kid's needs and pretend money and material things will fill the hole in their heart. Children, including teenagers, require a safe and loving primary attachment relationship in their lives to orient them and serve as their compass point. It's always the responsibility of the parent to take the initiative in the connection and preserve this attachment. The child should not have to work to have a relationship with you. If you don't meet their attachment needs, they'll find a surrogate to replace you -- they can't help it, their developing brain automatically and desperately looks for someone to attach to.
Plenty of people would kill for their mother. Once a surrogate takes her place, mother is no longer seen as mother in any meaningful sense. All of the love and admiration she naturally would have gotten if she had done her job right gets transferred to the surrogate. Notice how Tyler drops Steven like a hot potato in court. It was never about true love, it was about filling an attachment void.
"Mother and daughter were in constant competition. They were always trying to prove who was more intelligent."
I'm sorry, but it sounds like the mom herself was still a child. Exceptional intelligence does not grant you emotional maturity. A child requires an emotionally regulated and mature functioning adult as her role model to become one herself. Mom did not deserve to die, but Tyler was doomed from the moment she was born. They both have my deepest sympathy.
Exceptional intelligence can be an absolute disaster without emotional intelligence. A tragedy all round. 3 lives ruined due to awful parenting and thus the circle of deprivation (emotional in this case, not materialistic) continues.
I came here for your comforting voice and keen observations! 💜
This is definitely my favorite title so far, Dr. G. Spoiled brat of death 😂😂
A dumpster with a lovely view is everyone’s fantasy.😂
Dumpster fire with a vista view
I just happened upon Dr. Grande and when I first began listening, I thought 'I wonder how anyone can make it through even 5 minutes of this man without falling asleep.... Then I listened. This man has one of the driest senses of humor I have ever come across!!! Very interesting stories.
If there was a father with integrity in the home, none of this would have happened.
Maybe he would have been a Chris Watts. We will never know 🤷🏻♀️
Don't be so sure.
14 year old girls who have a strong, loving, supportive father who also disciplines when necessary, don't seek out 19 year old loser boyfriends, and even if they did, such dads would never let them move in. The loser boyfriend would be missing, not the wife.
I love watching your videos! I always trust and appreciate your wisdom. Thanks, Dr. Grande! You’re also still one of my favorite UA-camrs after years of watching. And always make me laugh out loud! You’re hilarious
Wow how could. she have gotten such a short sentence. She should have gotten the longest sentence
Kudos for the reference to four Boston songs...
I always enjoy your interesting videos, as I'm very interested in psychology. Thanks for sharing these.😊
Nobody can mess up a child like an abusive mother and an absent father.
Or abusive father and absent mother. Or one parent being abusive and the other justifying it.
And a pedo called Boston
Nobody said that her mother was abusive. They said they had a strained relationship, but her mother tried her best to give her a good life. Perhaps too good, because she became entitled and full of rage.
@marieslabbert6009 the mother hit her at least once, and lost custody temporarily because of it
The problem with just 2 people living in a 5 bedroom house is the difficulty in saying “no” to someone asking to move in.
Dang that’s a good point. You love your daughter, think he’s gay and harmless, have all that extra room…. I see what you mean. She didn’t see it as moving her daughter’s boyfriend in, but merely lending a hand to a friend in need. Jeez. Makes it more tragic somehow.
I don't care how many bedrooms I have in my home. I DO NOT trust people.
There are too many reasons, just like this, not to.
She couldn't even trust her own daughter in the end 😢
for some of us, we found a good deal on a house that is too large for one or two people but it was sitting neglected and getting robbed of copper. fixed it up over the years and turned 55k into nearly 400k. still need to keep aware of how privileged some of us are. @@M-qw9ru
I ALWAYS adore your absolutely awesome alliteration! I look forward to it, actually! But today you outdid yourself, Sir! Because, BOOM, blown away by Boston song titles! **chefs kiss** You rock Dr. Grande! SO funny! Keep on, keeping on!
Laughed so hard at those Boston lyrical riffs you added at the end. Good job!!!
No matter what, how do you kill your own mom?
If you have to ask the question, it means that you are an empath.
@@seriouslyjoking2 I can remember being embarrassed by my mom, mad with my mom, irritated etc etc. But I never even contemplated hurting her, let alone murder? Sheesh
If your mom was Ruby Franke or Louise Turpin.
@@MakerInMotion not sure who either of them are.
@@tripledair Both moms who kept their kids chained up and starved them. If they had been killed by their kids it would have been no different than a concentration camp prisoner killing a guard.
Such a witty ending ...it made me chuckle. Thank you Dr. Grande.
I always find your analysis to be informative and insightful, thank you Dr. Grande. Now, how do you keep a straight face while giving those hilarious zingers?
Love the Boston references! Made my day!