It's probably insignificant to most franchise fans, but my favorite moment with Goku is back in Dragon Ball, when he fights an old man and gets his ass kicked, and it turns out to be his grandfather. Goku turns from a fearless fighter to a vulnerable little kid for the first time in forever. He hugs grandpa Gohan and sobs, and it's the one moment in the whole franchise that chokes me up.
100% agree. The first time I saw goku start to cry and breakdown when he realized it was his grandpa, I lost it, too. Especially when he says in the english version "I looked for you everywhere!" It makes you think about those first days/weeks that Grandpa Gohan died, and Goku was a kid there just thinking his Grandpa went away for a bit, and not understanding he was gone forever. 30 years later, the only other Dragon Ball moment to ever choke me up was in Dragon Ball Super whenever Gohan realized that Trunks had come to him to ask for help in his future, but Trunks realized Gohan had a family and was happy, so he decided to leave that alone. Then when Trunks is leaving with Mai to go back to a different time line, Gohan rushes there as quick as he can to tell Trunks to be well, and Trunks sees his master Gohan again for the first time since he died in his own timeline, and he breaks down a little. It hit me hard.
This so much. It - like many other aspects of Dragonball - gets glossed over so much. Krillen, a comedic side character, the butt of many jokes, short, weak, not particularly handsome, doesn't have a nose, died multiple times, didn't de-activate the androids when he could. A loser, many would conclude, ends up with a former 'villan' who is arguable _the_ hottest chick in the series, who's also thousands of times stronger than he is. When/where else/how often does something like this happen in anime? Such an unconventional and implausible pairing. It's always harems and shit nowadays, the stereotypical oh so great mc hooking up with the blatantly hottest prettiest girl around. Dragonball man.
kinda why I liked that fight to be honest...if goku just tied with him I would never care about that fight but up to that moment it was the biggest battle of the series truly as others had to help which we saw briefly vs raditz but only piccolo helped there...the frieza stuff also allows some teamwork but it works caus eit is just one on one again for the fate of the world...not sure how you top that and while the ideas after are interesting they don't really do much with it so the show feels lamer the more it goes on besides the whole goku gohan dynamic which was done well but then immediately thrown aside in the buu arc
Here after Akira Toriyama passed away. He made my childhood so much more fun. Had me doing Kamehameha at the most random places as a little girl. Thank you, my GOAT. Rest in peace.
Texas Dice I remember when I first started watching the buu arc and watching Mr. Satan and by the time the buu arc finished, I was tryna find mr satan figures lol
Personally, I think most people prefer the cell saga because it's a perfect conclusion to Dragon Ball. 1. Goku finally accepts death as he knows he's the catalyst for most of these bad things happening 2. Gohan fills his father's shoes as the strongest fighter 3. The last of the Red Ribbon army is finally vanquished 4. Kami and Piccolo finally become one again after so many years of being apart 5. Almost every side character gets a cool moment 6. Vegeta fully redeems himself by fighting Cell in an attempt to avenge his dead son 7. Super Saiyan becomes perfected.
pretty much. and if not that,then it could have been the start of something new. but alas,people just wanted the series to continue,toriyama had no idea how to write gohan as protagonist and fans moaned about goku coming back or riot. and thus,we ended up with more of the same stuff
it was mostly the imperfect cell moments that i didn’t really like. Cell wasn’t an interesting villain. Mostly because all of his good aspects are taken from Freiza
I love how loyal he is. Even when he’s facing enemies that are more powerful than he can comprehend, he will still stand beside his friends and fight (usually to the death lol)
Krillin has gotten a recent surge in appreciation. Well deserved, too. Krillin was there since OG Dragon Ball and has consistently been funny, loyal and courageous despite all the shit they face. Also, the dude marries 18, has a kid with her and seemingly has the most stable relationship besides Gohan and Videl. How is he NOT the most beloved character besides Goku and Vegeta after all that!? LOL
Hell yeah love krillin and DBS gave him one of the best episodes and the lost respect he needed even though he was the first one to lose on Team universe 7 😅
Krillin was consistently my favorite character to watch in OG Dragon Ball, followed by Roshi and then Goku. It's a shame that he gets so ridiculously outclassed, because he really is an excellent fighter.
The whole Avengers endgame was based on dragonball. Friends go on an adventure to collect magic stones so they can wish people back to life, sounds familiar?
Hendri Turaswa well i guess he took the concept of sending the protagonist to earth before his homeplanet got destroyed from DC. So i guess he liked comics
Actually, his hair was always blue. It got changed in the colored manga and the anime, of course. They just chose to correct that in the Super anime, I guess... weird now that I think about it
@@Ash_10005 to include Kaioken as base is a bit misleading though, as it takes such a toll on the body, and is a technique Goku has to properly concentrate to use. Similarly to how Piccolo wasn't as strong as Raditz, yet managed to kill him with the Makankosappo by concentrating his ki, base Goku wasn't as strong as base Vegeta, but managed to amplify his ki for a short while to do some damage.
The reason Naruto had a timeskip is because Kishimoto was getting warn down keeping up with deadlines, so he wanted to redesign the characters to make them easier to draw. The timeskip was mostly just an excuse to do this in a natural way.
Despite Vegeta's sacrifice, Goku vs Vegeta rematch and Goku screaming for a damn long time and turning into ssj3 i don't remember anything else that was worthy to mention about the buu arc tbh
@@nextin_dabuilding2908 the majins weren't good villains, mystic gohan wasn't as interesting and cool as ssj2 Gohan, Gotenks was a really stupid fusion that does nothing else then being comic and Vegito was just a fusion with earrings, nothing really special and different from the dance fusion
Honestly I feel more like Trunks is the only other justified Super Saiyan transformation in the series, Gohan’s death was absolutely heart wrenching because you knew it was coming and Trunks felt responsible for it.
No, Goku's Super Saiyan transformation was justified too. Goku arguably loves Krillin more than he loves his own family, so ofc he would fly off the wall at Krillin's death.
I Am The Master Baiter I never said it wasn’t, I’m just saying that the only ones who had a justified transformation was Goku and Future Trunks (Cabba too ig but it felt kind of rushed)
I'd argue Cell does have character. He was exceptionally good at attacking the main character's weaknesses. It was less that Cell was whining to Vegeta to let him absorb the androids and more that he was exploiting his main weakness. His pride. And he attacked Gohan's weakness of wanting to protect his loved once by attacking them, in order to draw out his power.
attacking weakness isnt a character. he has about the same personality and motivation as the androids (they might have more than him actually). now if they fleshed out his desperation for perfection then he'd have character, but as Cell stands he's more of a theme or obstacle than an actual character. most dbz villains didnt have an actual character. unless you count vegeta. zamasu is probably the villain that has been given the most amount of depth ironically considering super is pretty average compared to Z
@@PaintedHoundie Absolutely not Goku Black's character was so badly executed and has no real substance. Cell not being a "character" actually makes his character even ebtter by correlating to the main theme of his character. I don't know why him not necessarily being a "character" means that Zamasu gives the most amount of "depth" when he literally has no real dynamics with any character and his character felt rushed if anything. The only thing he has is a goal but as I said there was no real substance to it and no redeeming qualities that made his "goal" understandable to say the least. His hypocrisy was so forced and again just lackluster so I really would love to see you elaborate on how his character had depth, let alone more than Cell.
@@lightninginqc7837 not gonna lie, i honestly dont know what youre trying to communicate with me right now. and it sounds like your bias is clouding your judgement a little bit. i like Cell better than Zamasu, but that doesnt for a second mean Zamasu doesnt have depth to him. its not hard to figure out what Zamasu's archetype is, and a god gone rogue, misunderstanding why gods are supposed to be impartial because hes a young and naive diety, sees mortals like goku as a threat is interesting. Super is just kind of a weak series in general that rehashes a lot of stuff they already did so they didnt execute it well. you trying to tell me Cell's lack of character makes that technically a character in and of itself is a terrible argument. Z is a better put together show than Super, and Cell has more iconic moments, but when im talking about what character has more depth, im talking about it from a storytelling/narrative view, and not just what i like more.
@@lightninginqc7837 Cell is not a deep character and most Dragon Ball characters arent, besides Vegeta. and that goes double for villains. and you guys might be conflating being a compelling villain with being a deep one. just because a villain serves as an interesting foil, or is good at being a villain/menace does not mean a villain is deep. Frieza is one of the best villains made in an anime, but there is no depth to him. hes a tyrant that runs a pirate org/slash empire that sells land to other buyers. he was born privaleged and went unchallenged till goku came along, and thats pretty much it. it is interesting that he is essentially the catalyst of the beginning of the series, but thats not the same thing as the character itself being deep. and Cell is in the same boat. he is a parasite with a conscious, he has the same goals as a virus, except he can think. his motivation for perfection is not played with in any interesting way, and is just another scary villain that needs to be stopped lke every other villain in Z.
@Matheus Gazotto The one from a powerful coward to a true hero, someone who doesn't like to fight as much as his dad, but knows that sometimes, you have to fight to protect what you care about That is, before they massacred his character from the Buu arc forward
@@bernardosales1044 Actually I like his Super's arc. We know he never wanted to fight liek Goku. Him having a family, being an important scientist is him achieving his dream
The Cell saga is good too because it realizes the hero arc of Gohan, that finally can compete with adult warriors. The Majin Bu arc screws everything with kindergarten super sayans and Gohan regressed to a complete idiot
No the entire point of the cell arc was goku realizing that he shouldn't be forcing gohan to fight when he clearly doesn't want to. I would argue this shock would have been good if goku fully relying on gohan wasn't comeptley out of character to begin with. Goku is all about pushing his limits and becoming stronger and seeing as he could easily have reached super sayain2 and he basically choose not to so gohan would have fought cell is just such a huge change in goku's character to the point where it's not believable. Now the majin buu saga did this change much better where goku could have finished off majin buu while he was playing around but instead choose to rely on the kids because goku doesn't stop training or prevent himself from becoming stronger to pass down the shield on too them. However this entire scene is ruined by the fact that he learned trying to force a 9 year old to fight was stupid . At least this one was slightly less stupid as it was 2 7 year olds that actually wanted to fight but it contradicts the lesson he was supposedly have learn in the cell saga. At least the majin buu saga doesn't end contrdacting the lesson goku learned in cell saga with gotenks actually winning like gohan in the cell saga did and with goku actually having to finish it.
@@Inviabledude45I thought the main idea of the cell arc was gohan can easily surpass his father however downgraded as fans still wanted goku to be the main character plus goku only really made gohan fight as gohan could easily have finished off cell, yet not wanting to fight cell provokes him, also imo gohan is almost just as responsible because as soon as he was at his Super Saiyan state gohan decided that he wanted to play around with cell, even though it was clearly obvious that Gohan was leagues above Cell, which as a result caused Cell to get a power boost and be slightly or just greatly stronger than Gohan
@@kvngjaygamez2570 and yes and the entire moral of that was not to entrust the faith of the world into a 9 year old kid. Goku could have easily trained and surpass cell but instead try and forced into his son who never wanted to fight. He fought because he had to but in the cell saga he didn't have to. Goku could have just as easily trained with vegeta and the training for him would have been far more effective. Picclo even tells goku he was stupid for doing so and the entire arc for goku was that he shouldn't have done it and gohan struggling for his father mistake. Than comes buu arc and throws that character development out the window when goku says ah let the kids do it. I just find it funny that it threw that character development away but did the character development better as in this one goku entrusted it to both goten and trunks instead of one 9 year old and both goten and trunks unlike gohan didn't like fighting. They fail as a result of goku trying to pass the flame to early and as a result goku has to come in and finished off the main villain instead of entrusting the world into underage kids that shouldn't be fighting these monsters in the first place. I mean its even more in goku's character than the cell arc because goku didn't limit his own growth in power like he did in cell which is just character assaitantion as goku would never do that.
Marcus is just trying to make it seem like every villain after Frieza is boring and bland, but he completely misunderstands most of the villains that it's honestly astounding to me.
nah freiza has a better personality because he is significant in the plot he’s the one who kilt all the saiyans and destroyed planet vegeta also he has ties with beerus
@@plasticsand9370 Well, (Perfect) Cell is more begging for attention and he likes to be out in the open while Frieza just wants to rule the universe while sitting in his chair while in his 1st form. Cell likes to be more direct and open. I would also state that compared to Frieza, Cell is calmer and more laid back. Frieza wanted immortality and wanted to rule the universe forever while Cell just wanted to test his perfect powers and prove to everyone that he is the most powerful creature in the universe by doing the damage himself. Also, Cell was willing to kill himself if it meant also blowing up the planet and everyone on it just so Gohan, Goku, and everyone else died along with him, and not even Frieza would do that. Frieza destroyed Namek and felt content with it because he knew he could survive in space. He knew it was still possible for him to survive, while Cell had no idea he would live and was okay with dying if it meant the others died with him. That shows me Cell is more daring than Frieza and is willing to take more risks. Also, unlike Cell, Frieza doesn't care about fighting strong warriors, and he doesn't have a thrill for battle like Cell does. Frieza does love torture, but torture and battle are different things. He just doesn't want people getting in his way. Frieza didn't try to force Goku to get mad and get stronger by doing so like Cell did with Gohan.
I agree with most of your statements, but I think you bashed a little too hard on Cell for bitching around and begging Vegeta to let him transform again. He kind of made it in a clever way by going for Vegeta's pride and desire to fight strong opponents. He knows this because he is part Vegeta himself. In addition, did you remember when Frieza was put into place by Goku in his 50% form? He also cried around like "damn.....just let me power up to 100% and I beat the shit out of you" ........that's exactly the same thing Cell did. Only criticise Cell for this but not Frieza seems a bit unfair. Furthermore, Frieza cried like a Baby when cut into pieces by his own attacks, begging Goku to let him live..... Don't get me wrong.....I don't want to say Frieza sucks or is equal to Cell (characterwise). I also think Frieza is the best-written villain in DB history, but I see Cell for the concept which he and his Character is: Cell is the embodiment of the greatest foes the Z-Fighters had to overcome, including themselves. And all the Z-Fighters fail to due so because Cell kind of always knows how his opponents tick, so he strategizes around this and finally Gohan is the one who overcomes not only Cell himself but every other fighter we know.
Canon manga wise Cell pretty much gave up and lost control of himself after Gohan punched him like twice which is what I hate the most about his character, just a big bully with no fight and grit. Sure Vegeta and Frieza were all bullies but at least they pushed on until the very end. As great as the story was during Cell arc, his character and his arc is played out by OP power ups. Once a character get a power boost, they stormed everybody else. Beside the ending point that is the Kamehameha battle, I don’t think there was an even fight the entire arc beside minor fights like Piccolo vs Cell or 17 vs Piccolo, either Z fighters stomped Cell or Cell stomped the Z fighters, there was that one Goku vs Cell fight but its only a build up for Gohan vs Cell. In Saiyan saga, there was Goku vs Vegeta and then Krillin, Gohan, Goku collective effort against Vegeta. And Frieza saga there was Goku and everybody vs Frieza and then SSJ Goku vs Frieza. Buu saga there were Gotenks vs Super Buu, Goku vs Kid Buu and then pretty much everyone against Kid Buu.
@@onemore512 i hated Cell in the anime, but Cell in DBZA is amazing. The Cell Saga/Arc(ep32-60) contains everything the show has and is better than it(30 Years of hindsight does that). You could watch DBZA and any English dub and details are basically the same and you woild be caught up in the same way DBZA does Cell Perfect by his ending. Unlike the original where he thought he couldn't die because he was perfect, in DBZA, he accepted it. He didn't care. Because he travelled each and every highway. But more.Much more than that. He did it his own way. He achieved his perfection and got the fight he wanted,, he wanted nothing more. The perfect life for him
I know the buu saga isn’t the best, but for me it felt like it finally wrapped up vegetas character arc. With him trying to be evil but realising it’s not what he wants, he even fuses with one of the people he hates most and of course the ending of him finally swallowing his pride and respecting goku for being better than him. But super kinda messed it all up as there was no where really to go with vegetas character afterwords.
And this is how Goku actually encourage a fight between cell and Gohan as well, he knew that cell is a part of him, and he knows that he has an itching desire to fight rediculuosly strong opponent to test his own ability. He kept on about how Gohan is gonna beat cell, he even go as far as to give cell a senzu bean to reclaim his strength. Cell in my opinion is the Z fighters fighting against the flawed versions of their selves, so Goku doing this was almost like he was fighting himself and that was the point where cell had actually started to loose, because he accepted the challenge,and ironic enough,Goku learned a lot about himself through cell, but it wasn't him alone, vegeta ,krillin ,picollo , Gohan being one of the main ones, all learnt something about themselves. That's why I love the Android saga because in terms of story, it's just as good as the namek saga, maybe not in terms of villains, but in terms of character writing,it's solid there as well, but I agree with what they said about the namek saga as well.
@@onemore512 what would you expect him to do at that point? Which villain doesn't lose control after losing? Pain lost it too. Doffy lost it too everyone
Yeah, but the reason people have much respect for Krillin is that 18 was so out of his league. It's totally plausible a guy like Vegeta could get a woman like Bulma.. or even Goku getting a woman like Chi Chi for that matter.
For those who don't know and part of what made the Saiyan arc so great was that Goku was in fact far weaker than Vegeta in their fight with the Kaioken helping to close the gap between them but ultimately still losing creating some awesome dramatic tension. It also offered Vegeta a frustrating and reality hitting experience that such a low class warrior could push him so far but still took the combined efforts of Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe to take him down.
Mega Wave The Saiyan Saga as a whole was just amazing. It had superb character development, great writing, and several memorable moments. It’s easily one of DB’s greatest sagas !!
I love how they had a lack of fighters in the Frieza saga, it just shows how you gotta rely on the weaker/other fighters to go exploring. Meanwhile in the cell saga, everyone is alive and the weaker fighters now stay in the back of the line....rip yamcha
I believe Krillins first death in early Dragon Ball changed everything and I think the timeskip after he started training with Kami was the time it truly became Dragon Ball Z and changed from a gag manga. - The plot changed - Goku became the worlds saviour - The training intensified - Death was introduced - The tone of the manga was more adult
@@MetalMadness_00 I think they meant it was the point where that Z formula really took hold. The Red Ribbon Army still had Dragonball's gag manga roots. Ninja Murasaki? Commander Red's wish? The Great Demon King Piccolo did NOT fuck around, and it was the first time the series took a truly serious tone.
@@MetalMadness_00 it started shifting towards that direction with the 21st world tournament. piccolo daimao was where the roots of z took hold, and z itself it marked by goku no longer being able to defeat the main villain by himself
Straight up? The only arc in all of dragonball that doesnt fit alongside each other is the first one where its almost all comedy. everything after that is more action based.
@@nnightkingj I do not know of what team that is, but I am well aware of the differences, as many, many people like to make videos about But I also don't mind skipping filler, either
@@AlexanderDiviFilius Gohan couldn't even scratch Toppo in his Mystic state, while Goku was able to overwhelm him and even greatly damage him just in Blue, without the Kaio Ken, and was not even out of breath once the fight was over. Granted, neither of them were really going all out, but Goku was clearly winning that one, while Gohan couldn't even come close to that.
@@infamousplayer8772 I mean the Buu Saga already made Gohan dirty and stupid, like come on ... Gohan litteraly destroy Buu and then ... He gets destroyed and humiliated... And then he die, unconscious because of Buu destroying the earth... How lame is that?
I've always felt that the Ginyu Force was a character in and of itself, since we don't spend that much time with individual members. They do deserve some love tho', not only their theatrical posing added to the humour of the show, their wicked sense of honor and interesting gimmicks really made the show shine.
I've always been of the opinion that the hardcore anime elitists who say Dragon Ball is a "normie anime" and thus not worth watching are just flat out wrong. The reason it is so popular not just in Japan, but here in the West too, is because it is legitimately one of the best, most influential, and fun anime you will EVER watch. It is fantastic and well worth anyone's time, even if you aren't an anime fan. It was my first introduction to anime when I was i kid, now i have hundreds of gigabytes of anime and manga on my computer. If nothing else, it is an excellent gateway drug.
I forgot where I saw this comment a few weeks ago but someone pointed out that people say DB (whole series) is predictable but it's been spoiled to death. Seeing Goku's brother letting everyone know he's an alien who was supposed to destroy earth, every other saga unfold would be insane to someone experiencing it for the first time. Vegeta's sacrifice and arc, cell absorbing everyone, etc. Great classic, worth checking out.
Well, and they did need a little time to give Sakura some relevant skills. Because she couldn't have had any of those when she was introduced... And because her skills then mattered so much in Shippuuden
i think the reason Naruto started out as kids and had a timeskip was to just improve the skills quickly so they could fight the Akatsuki closer and not be wiped out so easily...a group that was clear filler forced by toei and shonnen jump on kishi to continue the series so it ran longer..notice how they don't exist prior to over 100 chapters into the story..i wonder why...oh cause their irrelevant fodder who don't add much to the story as a group...but yeah it needed a timeskip..it didn't really need a second but it had that too..smdh..which i hate @@Vohalika
at that point Toriyama was just throwing shit to see what sticks to move the story and the editors knew it but insisted on having more Dragon Balll so they werent stopping him anymore
Except that Babidi was an alien dark mage, and Majin( which means demon or devil in japanesse) Buu was a magical demon(and a force of nature), and Dabura was the king of hell
The Buu arc would've been better if they focused more the characters and just used Buu as something that drives their development. Like if they gave Goten an Trunks you know... A *personality*
but wait you don't wanna watch a goku clone, and way less interesting and younger version of a badass character, completely break power levels and achieve super saiyan like it's nothing?
@@josephporcelli2302 That shit was fucking ass, I hated how Trunks and Goten were super sayians just cuz. The dumbest thing is they could have made it work. If they went super sayian after Vegeta blew up and everyone thought Gohan was dead I wouldn't have a problem.
@@zizoushifty1483 ikr? there are like multiple parts of the saga where it would have been so much better to have them transform, but the worst part of them is apparently two regular super saiyans can fuse and for some reason become a super saiyan 3? like how does that work?
@@zizoushifty1483 my running theory is that a saian having a child with a human (cause it wouldn't make sense otherwise or the whole race would have been swole af) makes the baby have a base power level of whatever the saian was, which becomes the baseline and only goes up with aging. Hence why Gohan was stronger than goku, and goten and trunks were stronger than them all.
Thank god somebody says piccolo is so cool. He gets over-shined by vegeta even tho piccolo has a better character arc and has more traits. He will forever be my favorite character
Piccolo has a mini arc in the Saiyan Saga and that's it. All of his other development is rushed and forced to go along with whatever roll Toriyama wants Piccolo to take. At least Vegeta still seems like the same person at the end of his character arc.
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog I didn't say same character, I said same person, it's different. You can tell I'm still the same person I was 10 years ago, but my character is completely different, I've developed. Vegeta is still mean, rude, prideful, because that's just his personality. But he isn't evil, he doesn't enjoy inflicting pain for his own satisfaction, he actually cares about people enough to sacrifice himself for them, instead of putting his life on the line for himself. He actually puts his pride away to save the Earth. The person is the same. His character has changed.
Not really rushed. He kidnapped Gohan to be evil, after killing the only two people who were a threat to him on earth. Gohan was sensitive 4 year old and grew to protect him because piccollo was a protective 7 year old. Where he took a kid to destroy Earth, the kid made him protect Earth.
Do you like naruto? Guess what, you like dragon ball. You like dragon ball? Guess what, you like Journey to the West. This story is literally 1000 years old and it’s epic every time.
@@yasserjimenez8070Oh come one, you KNOW that naruto was highly influenced by dragon ball, all shenens are, ya know why?, it was kinda the first Shonen.
@@pexavex7295 so what? The stories are completely different it’s just terrible logic to assume you’ll like dragonball if you like naruto. Those dragon ball inspirations are only visible to hardcore fans my parents for example don’t like dragon ball but love naruto, because it’s an emotional storyline with many tragic and uplifting moments, something not typically found in dragon ball. And I love dragon ball for what it is, a great shonen with awesome fights and powers with iconic characters. But dragon ball is about goku becoming stronger to defeat the villains, naruto is about a boy who wants to become hokage to stop his discrimination. The idea that just because they are both shonen they are the same is just extremely faulty thinking, shonen is a demographic meaning it’s for male teens. That’s literally it they are for male teens that don’t mean they are supposed to be alike at all even tho there ARE something’s for the most part they are completely different series
@@yasserjimenez8070 I never said they were the same, but you did bring up some very valid points, but I’ll say that I haven’t met anyone who hasn’t watched dragon ball and not liked naruto, it’s almost like it’s I fixed point in time, 😆, but fair.
He is a pioneer of some sort, he started the vegeta syndrome. Actually picollo started, but nobody gives a fuck about classic dragon ball, lol it became a trope of the genre, the antagonist who become a anti-hero / companion later.
@ to be honest we don’t know anything about dabura’s past life pre possession. But regardless those personality traits are their with Dabura when we are introduced to him.
Aren't obediant and loyal basically synonyms? And then arrogant and narcissistic go hand in hand to the point of making mentioning the both of them redundant
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@@matthewsiracusa8459 That's exactly the problem. We don't know if those are *his* traits. If he's like that because he's being mind controlled then it's the same as nothing. Because we still don't know anything about him.
@ I’m aware of the problem I wish we got to know more about Dabura It’s true we don’t know anything about him other than that he’s king of the demon realm and is as strong as cell. Cosmonaut variety asked what traits Dabura has and I listed just that Based on what we see in the story. Even though I’m aware it could all be babidi mind control. But regardless we see those traits of him doing the short time we see him. Also the traits I listed could be seen in Dragon ball heroes and Xenoverse so it’s not all Babidi control however not everyone knows about that. For example he tries to avenge his sister towa in the game which would make him loyal and he was also loyal to babidi with warning him about Majin Buu’s betrayal. Well mannered could be a trait of Dabura as well since he complimented Goku Gohan and Vegeta. I really like Dabura so that’s why I defend his character even though he was wasted.
Yeah. At the end of the Namek Saga, all you have is Goku at Super Saiyan. Not saying that wasn’t the best moment in the entire series, but what about Gohan? Where’s his realization as a character? And Piccolo fusing with Kami? And without the Cell Saga, you don’t get Trunks, one of the best characters in the entire franchise.
Yea I recently watched the original z but not the Kai version. So there was all the filler, and bro. The frieza arc is paced so slowly. It was borderline unwatchable during some of the later fights.
yeah but it still was just death, it wasnt almost gore like some of the kills in z were, sure Krillin was killed in db but he wasnt exploded into a thousand pieces or killed by a ki blast leaving a massive hole on his chest xd (yes goku was left with a big hole in his fight with Piccolo but he did survive, unlike his fight against Raditz).
@@valiant8248 lol the mexican government literally endorsed public screenings of Goku vs Jiren in Mexican cities. Anywhere u go in Mexico you'll see Goku painted on restaurant signs, bouncy houses, street graffiti, taco stands, pharmacies, and lawyer offices. Latin America fucking loves dbz
@@eriksulin627 Facts I can feel emotions from it plus in DB death .... actually mattered mainly because the dragon balls was actually decently hard to get
@Zer0dog Goku vs Vegeta was a great fight Goku vs Freeza was like every fight before it, but with horrible pacing that drags out all meaning it tried to convey before Trunks vs Freeza was basically your typical fight where the guy solos powerful villain after the villain either beats everyone or is too strong for others to fight, this was already done better in Goku vs Drum and lacks the creativity and impact of Goku vs Nappa Gohan vs Cell was carried off of artificial tension and a death that shouldn't even have affected Gohan the way it did, the fight itself drags and consists of either Cell kicking Gohans ass or Gohan kicking Cells ass, there is no variety in what each character does, it looks and feels the same as past fights, this is meant to be fight with barely any fight which focused more on the character's struggles while making the hits that count more impactful which was done better with Goku vs King Piccolo, Gon vs Pitou, and All Might vs All for One Vegito vs Super Buu also was a dragged out fight with a gag that got less and less funny every time it was used, also the fact Vegito as a concept erased whatever tension was left in the series Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu is the same shit, same choreography, same explosions, same sized beams, drags on forever, and no tension whatsoever, some good stuff happen like Mr. Satan and Vegeta admitting Goku was better (but that entire moment was ruined when he reverted back to his old self in Super)
a big part of what makes the freeza arc so important is how it connects gokus history and piccolos aka the 2 strongest and important characters by the end of the first part of the manga ..goku becomes the ssj avenging his people on piccolos home planet vs the tyrant who started this show after finding balls to wish people back to life and because piccolo sacrificed himself all of this was possible..its brilliant...then we get time travel and robots and created man children and im like okay...wtf happened to this smart series..its like it was written for young kids again after getting so dark earlier...too many plotholes to count.....
No matter who surpassed Dragon Ball, no anime will be able to reach the hype and love for Dragon Ball that’s been made. Literal stadiums were sold for the DBS finale 😂🙏🏻 Legends are never really surpassed.
JGHifiversveiws I meant to say legends have a charm that no one can actually attain but imitate. DBZ is a legend and due to its flaws makes it an individual that isn’t seen as every other anime. It can never be surpassed cause no one can do it like them.
Though I do agree that the Sayan and the Frieza saga were very solid and well put together, I do not think ending it there would have done justice to Gohan's character arc. He had a hidden power that needed to be unveiled, and I felt the Cell Saga executed that very well. The story should have ended after Cell's death.
The manga and kai have much better pacing. The Freeza fight is such a slog in the original anime. Five minutes should not take two hours. Kai fixes all of the pacing issues.
@@ace_wash8363 Freeza v Goku is terribly pased in the original anime, regardless of how fast they were going. The "5 minutes" line works much better in Kai and the manga because, while more than 5 minutes may still be passing, it doesn't feel like a complete chore to get through. Kai does have its fair share of issues though, but if you're a dubbie, most of them are worth it from what I can tell.
Well, the fight in the original is better overall, and it's longer. Kai may be more faithful to the manga and have better pacing, but the fight itself isn't as good as the one in the original.
I mean sure you could say the animation is trash, (because of the schedule) You could say some fights last too long, and the writing is shit and so is most if not all the characters, the fights are mainly copy and paste, theirs barely any unique fighting styles, and a lot of things BUT it is still enjoyable 😊
I think the series should have ended with the Cell Saga. I agree that the story was getting a little sloppy but the ending was so satisfying! It left me with no questions and it just felt so complete
The ending of the Cell arc is a MUCH better ending than the Frieza one. The cell arc was all about family and essentially fighting one's self (since Cell was an amalgamation of the z fighters). It's a poetic ending that passes the torch to the next generation. Gohan will be earth's protector with Trunks coming up under him the way Goku did with his dad. Vegeta learns to love his family, Goku finally allows himself to pass on, Trunks goes to his future and rights the wrongs, and Gohan, the most powerful living sayian, is a child who's only gonna grow from there. Would have been a great ending
@@iansmart4158 totally agree. Frieza saga is the best Z saga but Cell saga ending really leaves you completely satisfied, especially watching Goku dying and Gohan, angry and blameful, taking the torch and becoming the strongest ever. So dramatic, so great. Unfortunately Cell saga had a very boring plot
@@iansmart4158 I think it comes across as organic to western fans because it fits a particular mold that Hollywood tends to follow, as well as the dub trying to re-frame this series as a superhero story where these characters take on a mantle to protect the Earth (even though it's more like they're just looking for greater battles and that the Earth gets saved as a consequence and because it's their home), but it wasn't actually something set up that way. In a scene right before his battle with Cell, it's re-established that Gohan still wishes to become a scholar when he gets older rather than continue fighting, and that he must deal with Cell if he can follow through with his aspirations. It was never about passing a torch. Toriyama only teased with that idea later on in the middle of the Boo arc, only to back away from it after realizing that Gohan, a character who was born special and owes most of his strength to his innate powers being drawn out with ease, doesn't really work as a main protagonist of a Chinese wuxia-inspired series about bettering yourself through hard work (worth noting that fans complaining had nothing to do with it, and was just old magazine/internet rumors).
What makes me like the Frieza saga more then what came after. No stupid decisions that to advance the plot. No constant debates over powerscaling Vegeta sounded more like a prince back then and isn't so obnoxious. Super Saiyan feels new and fresh. Goku gives the best ass kicking moments. It also has my favourite Kikuchi tracks
Okay, listen. I agree with most of your points. But saying Cell and Buu have no personality..? Dude, I have literally no idea where you got that. I mean, compared to Frieza, yes, I don't think they're as good. But at the very least give Cell some credit. Especially his first and perfect forms. Semi-perfect I'll admit was kind of lame, but the first and last forms of Cell? Imperfect Cell is a disgusting, disturbing, absolute terror. His introduction is a sea of emptied clothing as he goes from town to town slaughtering people to add to his own strength. Perfect Cell is a monster in his own right, rarely killing anyone just because of how full of himself he is, and rightfully so. He _makes a tournament_ for the sole purpose of seeing if anyone on the planet is actually capable of taking him, and he doesn't even expect to use his full power. Hell, until Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, he _isn't_ using his full power. He's a smarmy, self-absorbed madman who pulls a Frieza and toys with the entire planet for fun. Some of these are definitely taken from Frieza, but you have to realize that some of what you complained about was _also_ taken from Frieza. All that whining he did? Frieza did that too. He breaks when he realizes he's losing. Also, Frieza doesn't drink people, or obsess over perfection. He's also missing one of Cell's best traits, which he takes from Goku: He enjoys fighting. Cell, like the Saiyans he's made from, loves a good challenge, hence why he doesn't kill Trunks, or Vegeta, or hell even Krillin. He lets everyone go, gives them 10 days, and holds a tournament. Buu, I'll let you have. Admittedly he does have some personality, but it's mostly just childish destruction with Fat Buu, moronic insanity with Super Buu, rehash of Cell's more boring traits with Buutenks/Buuhan, and childish destruction amped up to 11 with Kid Buu.
I appreciate what you wrote about cell, but about buu you´re forgetting something. Buu has personality. Especially Fat Buu. First, he was just a tool for destruction used by Babidi. He is just following orders (for food). After he betrayed his master, he starts to developing: enter Mister Satan! Buu is childish, yeah, but not destructive. He just doesn´t know something different. Do you remember the scene with this blind boy? (even if it is filler, i am not sure about that, but anyway thats a great scene). Buu was used to the fact that everyone was afraid from him. Until he met this blind boy. So Buu heals him and was expecting that the boy is now afraid like everyone else. He is so pleasantly surprised, that he offers candy to the boy. And don´t let me start about the part with the dog. He started to caring for a dog! And a human, who he has mostly eaten before. That is more character (and character development) that Cell ever had.
Frieza was OP until goku attained super saiyan. Cell is interesting because he uses his knowledge of vegeta to play on his desire for competition in order to achieve his goal. In other words he ain't to proud to beg
Plus Cell's transformation tactics are just weird and cool. and he had to be smart in a way Frieza never did. Cell was a genius as well as a fighting machine.
But that’s why Cell never feels like a threat. He’s just kinda a thing you gotta keep a lid on. Frieza on the other hand was the kind of guy you hope he never knew you even existed.
Guess what? Frieza is almost the biggest threat on everything cell isn't even that much of a threat as long as ur not an idiot same goes to Kid Buu and Super Buu and Majin Buu,But when its on frieza it's a different story for frieza he has no mercy doesn't care if ur a kid or and at the same time he's rlly smart for example Goku sent Goten and trunks to fight Buu but when it's frieza he won't even let them watch that's how big of a threat frieza rlly is...
Nope. All I'd ever seen as a kid was Kai, and Team Four Star got me more into Dragon Ball and I eventually read the manga and watched the entire series.
Good to come back to this video to now remember how impactful Toriyama truly was. Such a strong and everlasting mangaka, and an amazing tribute video to his definitive work.
Wow you really did my man Cell dirty. I don't know if I would go as far as to say he's better than Frieza, but he's by no means a bad or boring villain. In fact I would say he would've been the perfect way to end the series. He's literally the combination of every main hero and villain of the series (Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza) Giving him both the abilities and personalities of all of them. At first he is cautious and tactical, not picking fights that he knows he can't win. He absorbs enough people so that he's confident that he can absorb the androids and gain his perfect. Once he becomes perfect, his inner Frieza, Vegeta and Goku come out because he has become the best and he knows it. However, he doesn't just go out and kill all the ZFighters and destroy the planet (like Frieza would), he decides to hold a tournament and give the heroes ten days to prepare. This is because (like Goku) he wants to fight them at their strongest and prove that he is without a doubt the best. That and the fact that it gives some closure to Gohan's hidden power and story, the Cell Saga is the best way to end the series. A culmination of all of their hardships and ultimately a passing of the torch to the next generation (though ultimately Goku comes back and that's all undone).
I agree completely 100%. Goku vs Frieza is hands down my favorite fight but the android/Cell saga is my favorite saga because of everything you said, and more shit like Vegeta's character development and getting to witness him finally achieve Super Saiyan out of his pure lust to surpass Goku as if his life depended on it, and also the mind-blowing storyline and concept of time travel that Toriyama put together. It was plot twist after plot twist, and there were so many moments where you thought you finally understood what was going on and then boom, you didn't know anything at all. And then Gohan taking over for Goku as savior of earth came as a huge surprise and made for a great passing of the torch as we see him unlock his full hidden potential. Lastly, I want to mention Piccolo reuniting with Kami as a crucial point of not just the saga but the whole series. It was the greatest thing to ever happen to TV. What's crazy is the Saiyan and Namek/Frieza sagas are just as good in their own ways. DBZ is a masterpiece.
Cell sucked Donkey dick he was a throw away character just like goten trunks and all the androids. They were all created to keep the money train going that added nothing to the series and they are all forgettable.
Actually the structure of the Cell saga is perfect in my opinion. It's about father and son relationship. It opens with Freeza and his father coming back. Trunks, Vegeta's son, came from the future to observe how his father he never knew was such a selfish prick. Goku, had to confront the fact that he's... actually a pretty bad dad and that Gohan never wanted to be like him. The fact that Gohan wore Piccolo's clothes to Cell fight is very symbolic. The structure is very well thought out. Every character pay for underestimation of their opponent. Cyborg Freeza underestimated Trunks, cyborg 19 and 20 underestimated Vegeta, Vegeta underestimated Cyborg 17 and 18, Cyborg 17 and 18 underestimated Cell, Cell 2nd form underestimated powered up Vegeta, powered up Vegeta underestimated Cell 3rd form, Cell 3rd form underestimated Gohan, Gohan overestimated himself over cell 3rd form who blew himself up with his dad, Gohan came to his sense and win. I don't see how it's more perfect than that.
Yeah but that’s not actually the structure of the show you’re talking about. You’re talking about theming. Sure, a series can have a bunch of symbolism and reoccurring themes, but if the narrative isn’t consistent in tone and writing, and if the story doesn’t have good pacing, it’s not a well structured story. That’s not to say the Cell Saga is bad, but it doesn’t feel consistent in tone, and a lot of stuff just seemed like it was made-up as the story continued, like there was no true plan for how the series was gonna turk out. Now in the Cell Saga these issues are minor at worst. It’s in the Buu saga that it really just feels like they had no idea what they wanted to do with it when they were writing it. And while that makes for some fun moments and concepts, like fusion and stuff like that, it’s not how you write a cohesive narrative. Luckily the Cell Saga doesn’t have too much of this.
@@Da_Swifta toriyama is well known to make shit up as he goes, and the android saga pretty much marks the start of him getting sick with writing dragon ball
Panasit _Don't you mean "Android" 17 and 18 because once you talk about robots using "cyborg" everyone is gonna think you are talking about the cyborgs from "Cyborg 009" I'm just SAIYAN :)
nothing will convince me that frieza wasnt the intended finale of the series. the protagonist fulfills a thousand year old prophecy, locked in a duel to the death with the evil emperor of the universe on a dying planet, with BOTH sets of the TITULAR dragonballs being INTEGRAL to the plot? come ON. on that topic, great video, but one thing you could have touched on more is how the dragonballs really take a back seat after the frieza saga, despite being the TITLE. (also tho i agree with everything you say about frieza, i felt you were a tiny bit harsh on everything that comes after)
Can't imagine the Dragon Balls taking a backseat in the story before the Android saga? I guess you never watched Dragon Ball then. You know, before they added the 'Z' at the end of the title? The prophecy was only introduced after the Saiyan saga. What's actually been set up since near the beginning of the show was Gohan's hidden power, which doesn't payoff until the Cell saga. Toriyama may have thought about ending the series prior to that, but he would've definitely left some loose ends.
@@exequielbreton4393 Right, but I don't remember it being established as a prophecy before the Frieza saga. I've even come across someone who said that the original conversation between them was about mixed Saiyans becoming more powerful than pure bloods.
toriyama said it himself that dragonball z was supposed to end at frieza but he was pressured into the android saga because of money. the original stories of dragonball & and dragon ball z are perfect masterpieces and should be seen as the greatest manga ever.
Buu is great imo. He’s basically what happens if a godlike toddler throws temper tantrums. I like how in order to actually tame him Mr. Satan befriended him. Then adult buu is just so pure evil and sadistic I love him, and kid buu is all primal and just screams and punches himself.
Yeah, Dabura had no personality. But: he started out as The Devil, king of the underworld. Then ended up in heaven, in a camp of flowers, wishing welfare for the human race. Y'gotta at least hand it to him: he had an interesting arc.
@@ripper3052 I hate the whole filler thing: just because it didn't canonically happen doesn't mean you didn't watch it and it never existed in any kind of media. Eh, maybe I'm just white knighting OP, the most underrated UA-camr of all time.
Toei treaded the DBZ Charakters better whan Torijama. In the Manga Lunch just dissapeared, in the Anime, she leaves Tien, after he startet too be annoyed about her. Dabura had a very funny change of heard. Garlick Junior give Kami some streamtime and give him some dignity back, and remembers us about the Demon thing. Also it give Gohan and Kuririn some Battles too show of they owne strenge.
@@Sunaki1000 that doesn't make it better. What does Lunch showing up in episode 30 leads to? Nothing. They explicitly mentioned in the manga that she had ran off somewhere and that's it, don't tell me she is more interesting than deeper characters we got in Z like Gohan, Trunks or fucking Vegeta. Dabra thing was filler and don't even sit well with his honorable character who tried to take on Fat boo himself after he sensed that boo can be a threat to them. Garlic Jr. Wasn't bad but again it's not necessarily good. It creates timeline inconsistency since the movie happens when the cast are aware of Gohan whereas in Z the moment the cast meets Gohan, raditz shows up, see? Its fine but it drags the show. They anime unnecessarily dragged Vegetto fight with him going ssj instantly in anime and fighting boo in base form, then whole namek shit, etc.
Apparently Naruto and Jiraiya spent the time skip perving on girls trying to bathe while Sasuke was the only one actually training. Naruto even has a monologue in the first arc of Shippuden where he says he spent three years training and nothing has changed because not only is Sasuke still gone he's lost Gaara to the Akatsuki as well
How. When naruto was cheating through the rasengan, people complained he progressed too quickly for someone not gifted. When he comes back from the time skip and still shows that he needs to cheat the technique even though it’s much improved, people are still mad because he didn’t master it. Pick a fucking side.
@@rainingcomplete3018 wdym have you been in the anime community for more than a week? Every 3 seconds people talk about how much plot armor there is because he “learned” a move in short time. Even though.. he did it in the most realistic amount of time, meanwhile every other anime mc a huge sinner of this
I agree that Frieza is the best arc, but i wouldn't necesarily say it would be a good conclusion. Since the beginning of Z to the end of frieza saga is hinted that Gohan has a hidden strenght and that he might even be stronger than Goku. And thats not fully explored until cell saga. So ending on Frieza wouldn't be fully satisfactory
Actually it could have ended there the same way it actually ended. Z ended with uub being seen as the future protector of earth, in my opinion the Z ending with Gohan as the future would have been better.
@@knight-mares but ubb was introduced at the very last episode just to put some kind of excuse for goku to disappear again lol. Gohan's power was talked about since the early episodes not seeing him surpassing his father (which was the promise from those early episodes) wouldn't be satisfactory, while the possible ending you are suggesting could apply to literally every character, even ones that appear out of nowhere at the end.
@@darksaint0124 kind of, just when extremely angry but still pretty useless in a fight. It would be more accurate to say that gohan shows a bigger potential than goku since the beginning. I don't think he even beat a single opponent before cell.
@@diegog1853 I think they eluded enough that Gohan would surpass Goku, dbz would have ended at it's highest point. It got stale in later arcs but I'm not dissatisfied that toriyama milked the shit out of this series because even though later arcs aren't as good, they added more characters for games like budokai 3 and FighterZ.
@@shinji136 There's nothing similiar except they're arrogant. Freeza hates resistance, Cell loves it. Freeza hates games, Cell loves them. Freeza curses his enemies when they unlock new power, Cell refuses to fight them until they do. Freeza blows planets up to prevent the emergence of strong fighters, Cell organizes tournaments so they can all have a shot at him.
@@curioustrout And all those differences are traits Vegeta has. Still not a good thing to basically make a hybrid of Freeza and Vegeta as your main villain. It's just recycling.
@@shinji136 Weird, I remember Vegeta specifically letting someone else do most of the fighting in his arc, which is the opposite of Cell's love for fights 🤔 In fact, Vegeta threw tantrums every time Goku got stronger, again the opposite of Cell.
CuriousTrout Vegeta only let Nappa deal with the small fry due to his pride. Also, I could just as easily say Cell left the Cell juniors to deal with the Z fighters rather than do it himself, and it has the same validity. Also you're forgetting the tantrums Cell threw when 2nd Grade Vegeta was wrecking him? Or when Super Saiyan 2 Gohan did so too? Cell is just a mix of Vegeta and Freeza, but without any valid motivations and goals. So recycling with lessened quality.
The only thing I wish that would have happened was Ki was known as an earth technique It would have definitely made the series a lot more interesting seeing as the earthlings had a leg up on all these other people
I can’t remember the fan series but it one of them Gohan actually becomes a scholar teaching people about Ki and how to use it. If the spirit bomb against buu was so strong imagine actual ki users combined??
I really disagree with trunks undermining SSJ at all. His presence was all mysterious. And if anything I honestly think Gohan's SSJ2 is the best SSJ arc.
Gonna be real, from a design perspective I think Bug Cell was way more intimidating than his later forms, or any other villain. He absorbed people before Buu by stabbing and drinking them, that was pretty hardcore and they could've made Cell much more memorable by pushing that aesthetic further IMO, rather than turning him into cowardly fish lips followed by Frieza 1.7.EXE
Toriyama originally wanted to do just that, but his editor told him that would be too "scary" so he turned into the derpy frog-lipped man and then Handsome Squidward.
I think Naruto's timeskip was a good choice. The young characters were still too powerful for their age, but at least it was a little more believable than if they had all still been pre-pubescent children. It also added some new unknowns about the character that were fun to explore or added some more depth. That's not to say that the timeskip was super well done and the other examples weren't better - but it was still a better story than without it.
@Wrath Incarnate Naruto's goal isn't really meant to change until SPOILERS Jariya's death because Naruto was always immature and despite his childhood being depressing he remained up beat. Losing Jariya is the first thing that tells the character about casualties of war and him inheriting Jariya's will for peace is what drives Naruto to become Hokage for more than just recognition.
He didn’t lose to goku tho. He took the kamehameha survived and goku was spent spending the rest of the fight on his back lol. The collective effort was stronger than vageta tho
@@codyadams3051 He didn't need to, Goku was completely destroyed after that beam struggle. Vegeta could've come back without transforming and slap Goku to oblivion tbh.
@@Rex13013vegeta got beaten so badly by kaioken times 3 that he was getting overpowered and slapped around by based form goku. Vegeta getting owned caused him to attempt suicide than admit defeat to goku. In vegeta's suicide attempt to destroy the planet goku had to use kaioken times 4 to stop it which hurt goku's body. Even after that vegeta still struggled to kill goku as a great ape which is 10 times multiplier to all stats so vegeta was significantly weakened as well.
@@Inviabledude45 literally all Goku managed to do when Vegeta went Oozaru was run away, almost form a Genki Dama, and then catch Vegeta off guard with an eye-blast. Oh, and give what was left of the Genki Dama to Kuririn, which didn't even kill him still. Vegeta didn't realise that Kaioken took a toll on your body, and so went Oozaru simply to close the power gap, not knowing that Goku was unable to reach that power again. Not only that, but it's stated that forming the false moon lowered his ki, meaning there was less of it to be multiplied when he went Oozaru.
@Jay veeru Z force For me the fucked power scaling in dragon ball super just ruins the whole experience,especially with kale and caulifla,But otherwise it was pretty good ( not as good as z but still good )
I loved and enjoyed most of this review, and generally agree with most of your reviews, but the point on Cell seems a bit like you missed the point. Or maybe you did see the point, but just didn't like it much anyway(which is fine) He starts out almost as this horror story/slasher villian at the start(which is when he has the most personality), but slowly morphs into more of a concept than a true character: He's the culmination of everything Goku(and the Z-fighters) had to surpass up to that point. Cell is essentially the vehicle in which they attempted to put Gohan over as the new main character. By overcoming the representation of everything that the Z-fighters have beaten up to that point(and killing off Goku), they try to show us that Gohan is the new main character, and is worthy of the status as Earth's hero that Goku held up to that point.
I’d be interested to see a different reviewer’s take on it, but Patrick (h) Willem did a kickass review of Speed Racer. If I haven’t fucked up the spelling of his name, you should check it out.
Yes please. I loved it when it first came out and was surprised people said it sucked. Nowadays i'm happy there are people who do appriciate it for what it is
Krillin was my favorite character as a kid. He was so awesome in Dragonball and the early parts of DBZ before they gave him a hair transplant and abandoned him completely.
5:18 That's now been change. Bardock(his father) sent him to Earth as he had a feeling Frieza was going to do something, but as Raditz never knew this(and didn't even now Frieza destroyed Vegeta) it makes sense for him to presume this as it was the norm of the Saiyans
@@freewyvern707 it's not bad because it's a retcon, it's bad because it's a stupid retcon. Toriyama was good at harmless retcons back during the original manga run, but the retcons in the new material absolutely reek.
It's probably insignificant to most franchise fans, but my favorite moment with Goku is back in Dragon Ball, when he fights an old man and gets his ass kicked, and it turns out to be his grandfather.
Goku turns from a fearless fighter to a vulnerable little kid for the first time in forever. He hugs grandpa Gohan and sobs, and it's the one moment in the whole franchise that chokes me up.
Enlightened take. OG DB is where it's at.
And the one with more dirty jokes.
100% agree. The first time I saw goku start to cry and breakdown when he realized it was his grandpa, I lost it, too. Especially when he says in the english version "I looked for you everywhere!" It makes you think about those first days/weeks that Grandpa Gohan died, and Goku was a kid there just thinking his Grandpa went away for a bit, and not understanding he was gone forever.
30 years later, the only other Dragon Ball moment to ever choke me up was in Dragon Ball Super whenever Gohan realized that Trunks had come to him to ask for help in his future, but Trunks realized Gohan had a family and was happy, so he decided to leave that alone. Then when Trunks is leaving with Mai to go back to a different time line, Gohan rushes there as quick as he can to tell Trunks to be well, and Trunks sees his master Gohan again for the first time since he died in his own timeline, and he breaks down a little. It hit me hard.
Every time I watch the anime version I tear up
one of the greatest moments in the series i really loved it
People who dislike Krillin are just jealous of him because he landed 18
Beefius Bon Peanoot Loafus III this right here
Or get into anime via Super it butcherd the main supporting cast with exception of Roshi.
This so much. It - like many other aspects of Dragonball - gets glossed over so much.
Krillen, a comedic side character, the butt of many jokes, short, weak, not particularly handsome, doesn't have a nose, died multiple times, didn't de-activate the androids when he could.
A loser, many would conclude, ends up with a former 'villan' who is arguable _the_ hottest chick in the series, who's also thousands of times stronger than he is. When/where else/how often does something like this happen in anime? Such an unconventional and implausible pairing.
It's always harems and shit nowadays, the stereotypical oh so great mc hooking up with the blatantly hottest prettiest girl around.
Dragonball man.
By that logic everybody should hate Vegeta, since Bulma's the first in terms of money, smarts, character, and forehead size
@@mkge7206 forehead size?
"I was defeated by a low class warrior, a child, a midget and an obese man with a sword."
kinda why I liked that fight to be honest...if goku just tied with him I would never care about that fight but up to that moment it was the biggest battle of the series truly as others had to help which we saw briefly vs raditz but only piccolo helped there...the frieza stuff also allows some teamwork but it works caus eit is just one on one again for the fate of the world...not sure how you top that and while the ideas after are interesting they don't really do much with it so the show feels lamer the more it goes on besides the whole goku gohan dynamic which was done well but then immediately thrown aside in the buu arc
"I lost outright."
"Because I know you won't tell anyone, qui"
"But, but I hate you! Why wouldn't I......"
"Hi Qui"
*BOOM*
"Bye Qui"
Here after Akira Toriyama passed away. He made my childhood so much more fun. Had me doing Kamehameha at the most random places as a little girl. Thank you, my GOAT. Rest in peace.
Hlo
"Everyone has a timeskip"
_Hit would like to know your location_
lol
send location- Khabib
Everyone has left the chat
Time to make the donuts
*Diavolo already knew your location*
One thing I really love about the Buu-saga, is that Mr. Satan became plot relevant.
Texas Dice I remember when I first started watching the buu arc and watching Mr. Satan and by the time the buu arc finished, I was tryna find mr satan figures lol
Not just relevant, they basically rescued his entire character, and showed how truly badass he was compared to regular earthlings
I exactly hated the point that this idiot was plot relevant
mashonem that’s true! He’s the only guy who came to fight cell as well (excluding the z fighters of course)
I cried when everyone gave their energy for him. It felt deserved and clever
Personally, I think most people prefer the cell saga because it's a perfect conclusion to Dragon Ball.
1. Goku finally accepts death as he knows he's the catalyst for most of these bad things happening
2. Gohan fills his father's shoes as the strongest fighter
3. The last of the Red Ribbon army is finally vanquished
4. Kami and Piccolo finally become one again after so many years of being apart
5. Almost every side character gets a cool moment
6. Vegeta fully redeems himself by fighting Cell in an attempt to avenge his dead son
7. Super Saiyan becomes perfected.
pretty much. and if not that,then it could have been the start of something new. but alas,people just wanted the series to continue,toriyama had no idea how to write gohan as protagonist and fans moaned about goku coming back or riot. and thus,we ended up with more of the same stuff
Cell Saga > Other DB Arcs
Also like...DBZA Episode 60? Perfect
it was mostly the imperfect cell moments that i didn’t really like. Cell wasn’t an interesting villain. Mostly because all of his good aspects are taken from Freiza
AnIrishMusician the only really outstanding parts of the Cell Saga is the Cell Vs. Gohan fight and the Final Flash, at least I think.
My man Krillin is way underrated. Glad someone else sees that.
I love how loyal he is. Even when he’s facing enemies that are more powerful than he can comprehend, he will still stand beside his friends and fight (usually to the death lol)
My sister hates him for some reason, I’ll never get why
Krillin has gotten a recent surge in appreciation. Well deserved, too. Krillin was there since OG Dragon Ball and has consistently been funny, loyal and courageous despite all the shit they face. Also, the dude marries 18, has a kid with her and seemingly has the most stable relationship besides Gohan and Videl. How is he NOT the most beloved character besides Goku and Vegeta after all that!? LOL
Hell yeah love krillin and DBS gave him one of the best episodes and the lost respect he needed even though he was the first one to lose on Team universe 7 😅
Krillin was consistently my favorite character to watch in OG Dragon Ball, followed by Roshi and then Goku. It's a shame that he gets so ridiculously outclassed, because he really is an excellent fighter.
The whole Avengers endgame was based on dragonball. Friends go on an adventure to collect magic stones so they can wish people back to life, sounds familiar?
Holy shit
Not to mention the big purple space conqueror also wanting to use the stones for his own nefarious purposes.
So,Its either Akira Toriyama inspired by Marvel, or vice versa
Hendri Turaswa well i guess he took the concept of sending the protagonist to earth before his homeplanet got destroyed from DC. So i guess he liked comics
Daniel Morales I mean, he made a manga which is basically a japanese comic, sooo...
"the-The boy ain't right"
Is probably the best Goku character analysis I've ever seen
agreed XD
well hes not a boy so...hes an alien...and been isolated from society so...and hes selfish
Asmosis Jones to an alien we would be aliens
By the time you reach Dragon Ball Super, forget everything you learned..EVERYTHING..even Trunk's hair color lol
Score PN
"dude what if we just dyed everyone's hair."
*more accurate to the manga*
Yeh its wrong
Actually, his hair was always blue. It got changed in the colored manga and the anime, of course. They just chose to correct that in the Super anime, I guess... weird now that I think about it
@@minimonkeymasher8888 That doesn't make sense. Manga Bulma always had purple hair.
@@minimonkeymasher8888 Doesn't make sense when you have kid trunks sitting right there
You can’t tell me that one of Cells best traits was his PERFECT voice in the dub
And hoo boi that theme slaps
And the fact that Cell is literally a culmination of all the most powerful fighters in the series up to that point should mean something
Cell's voice is godly in both versions.
The dub is shit and you should feel bad for having such poopy opinions
@@HerohammerStudios you should feel bad for being a piece of shit over 2d drawings
Please don't make fun of me for saying "manga" weird
I forgive you.
manyeguh
Haha, you kids and your animu and mangos
Hey I was wondering why you don’t do a video about Daredevil?
I forgive you for that I won't forgive you for not mentioning Nappa. And how you claimed Cell had no personality, fucker was charismatic.
Goku wasn't stronger than vegeta at all in the first fight. Without everyone else jumping in Goku would be dead
right it was gohan who beat vegeta in that fight, his gaint ape form
Goku was stronger than vegeta in normal state
Vegeta only became stronger when he transfomed into the oozaru
Ash 760 No. Vegeta was stronger. Goku had to use kaioken in order to be stronger. I think Vegeta was at 16000 and Goku was at 8000+
@@valhallatreatment9165 Yeah I was talking about kaioken included, I meant base as in no transformation
@@Ash_10005 to include Kaioken as base is a bit misleading though, as it takes such a toll on the body, and is a technique Goku has to properly concentrate to use.
Similarly to how Piccolo wasn't as strong as Raditz, yet managed to kill him with the Makankosappo by concentrating his ki, base Goku wasn't as strong as base Vegeta, but managed to amplify his ki for a short while to do some damage.
Marcus, you're not making NoNutNovember any easier.
Mission failed we'll get em next time
@@lod340 oh my god
WaIT whY
The reason Naruto had a timeskip is because Kishimoto was getting warn down keeping up with deadlines, so he wanted to redesign the characters to make them easier to draw. The timeskip was mostly just an excuse to do this in a natural way.
Lol
I love how you have mangaka moments like these with Kishimoto, Oda, and Toriyama just showcase how they're still only human
Source?
@@vintheguy ソース
@@sub7se7en your mother
@@vintheguy Jokes on you. My mother is your father.
"piccolo performs the best kill ever".
right after krillin killed 4 of the same monster, at the same time.
"Nobody cares Krillin!" Chiaotzu,right before kamekaze
3.
Vegeta killed one, one killed itself, piccolo killed the last.
@Jake K that means nothing in a fight. Krillin did the better kill.
it's quality over quantity
@@kiraqueen2558 one punch and one mouth beam, vs a massive scatter kamehameha. hmmmmm.
This is now my favorite UA-cam video.
Cause I'm CoryxKenshin
Yo play Minecraft with YuB
Cory with only 60 likes wow lets make that 61 lol
Know slice that like button.
Ayyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeee
"Die."
- Piccolo, Saiyan Saga
Meh, a space marine from warhammer 40k says that alot better lol
"Si Naee"
The Buu Arc is worth it purely for the conclusion of Vegeta’s arc - his moments in that still make me frickin cry to this day
That sacrifice hits different every time
I agree. The Cell and Buu are are actually my favorites ngl
Despite Vegeta's sacrifice, Goku vs Vegeta rematch and Goku screaming for a damn long time and turning into ssj3 i don't remember anything else that was worthy to mention about the buu arc tbh
@@SomeoneThatIsHappy Vegito,Mystic Gohan,Gotenks and the majins.
@@nextin_dabuilding2908 the majins weren't good villains, mystic gohan wasn't as interesting and cool as ssj2 Gohan, Gotenks was a really stupid fusion that does nothing else then being comic and Vegito was just a fusion with earrings, nothing really special and different from the dance fusion
*The Dragon Balls brought this video back from the dead!!!*
Hello there
Master Kenobi…
You are a bold one.
Do you still have the high ground?!
aren't ya that ben kenobi dude?
“5 minutes. That’s the amount of time you have.”
*And the biggest lie in history was told that day*
Does frieza know how long five minutes really is cause I don’t think he does
5 space minutes
Goku: question
Freeza: huh?
G: do you have a watch?
F: n... No
G: do you know what a minute is?
F: wha... Yes of cou...
G: cause i don't think you do
@@mantas9259 Its bad when Goku questions your knowledge.
Frieza probably read JoJo.
Honestly I feel more like Trunks is the only other justified Super Saiyan transformation in the series, Gohan’s death was absolutely heart wrenching because you knew it was coming and Trunks felt responsible for it.
No, Goku's Super Saiyan transformation was justified too. Goku arguably loves Krillin more than he loves his own family, so ofc he would fly off the wall at Krillin's death.
I Am The Master Baiter I never said it wasn’t, I’m just saying that the only ones who had a justified transformation was Goku and Future Trunks (Cabba too ig but it felt kind of rushed)
@@MikeDaddy Oooo, my fault, I didn't see you type "other". I thought you were implying that Trunks is the only one.
Wait until Broly... Listen to Broly’s Rage and Sorrow.
@@MikeDaddy also future Gohan, it may happen off screen but EVERYONE dies to the androids that i probably a great trigger for ssj
I'd argue Cell does have character. He was exceptionally good at attacking the main character's weaknesses. It was less that Cell was whining to Vegeta to let him absorb the androids and more that he was exploiting his main weakness. His pride. And he attacked Gohan's weakness of wanting to protect his loved once by attacking them, in order to draw out his power.
attacking weakness isnt a character. he has about the same personality and motivation as the androids (they might have more than him actually). now if they fleshed out his desperation for perfection then he'd have character, but as Cell stands he's more of a theme or obstacle than an actual character. most dbz villains didnt have an actual character. unless you count vegeta. zamasu is probably the villain that has been given the most amount of depth ironically considering super is pretty average compared to Z
The thing with cell is he's the demons of all the fighters and they quite literally have to face their demons, and that's cells character
@@PaintedHoundie Absolutely not Goku Black's character was so badly executed and has no real substance. Cell not being a "character" actually makes his character even ebtter by correlating to the main theme of his character. I don't know why him not necessarily being a "character" means that Zamasu gives the most amount of "depth" when he literally has no real dynamics with any character and his character felt rushed if anything. The only thing he has is a goal but as I said there was no real substance to it and no redeeming qualities that made his "goal" understandable to say the least. His hypocrisy was so forced and again just lackluster so I really would love to see you elaborate on how his character had depth, let alone more than Cell.
@@lightninginqc7837 not gonna lie, i honestly dont know what youre trying to communicate with me right now. and it sounds like your bias is clouding your judgement a little bit. i like Cell better than Zamasu, but that doesnt for a second mean Zamasu doesnt have depth to him. its not hard to figure out what Zamasu's archetype is, and a god gone rogue, misunderstanding why gods are supposed to be impartial because hes a young and naive diety, sees mortals like goku as a threat is interesting. Super is just kind of a weak series in general that rehashes a lot of stuff they already did so they didnt execute it well.
you trying to tell me Cell's lack of character makes that technically a character in and of itself is a terrible argument. Z is a better put together show than Super, and Cell has more iconic moments, but when im talking about what character has more depth, im talking about it from a storytelling/narrative view, and not just what i like more.
@@lightninginqc7837 Cell is not a deep character and most Dragon Ball characters arent, besides Vegeta. and that goes double for villains. and you guys might be conflating being a compelling villain with being a deep one. just because a villain serves as an interesting foil, or is good at being a villain/menace does not mean a villain is deep. Frieza is one of the best villains made in an anime, but there is no depth to him. hes a tyrant that runs a pirate org/slash empire that sells land to other buyers. he was born privaleged and went unchallenged till goku came along, and thats pretty much it. it is interesting that he is essentially the catalyst of the beginning of the series, but thats not the same thing as the character itself being deep. and Cell is in the same boat.
he is a parasite with a conscious, he has the same goals as a virus, except he can think. his motivation for perfection is not played with in any interesting way, and is just another scary villain that needs to be stopped lke every other villain in Z.
Gohan’s arc is literally one of my favorite in fiction
@Matheus Gazotto The one from a powerful coward to a true hero, someone who doesn't like to fight as much as his dad, but knows that sometimes, you have to fight to protect what you care about
That is, before they massacred his character from the Buu arc forward
@@bernardosales1044 yeah he was my favourite character because I grew up watching him and then I saw what they did to him in the buu saga...
@Matheus Gazotto idiot
@@tameoregano5006 he literally became the strongest character in z vs super buu
@@bernardosales1044 Actually I like his Super's arc. We know he never wanted to fight liek Goku. Him having a family, being an important scientist is him achieving his dream
"You could enjoy this show any way you want"
Big green dub let's go.
"Call me that again and I'll snap your neck."
@@bificommander7472 "I don't like your choice of friends lil' green.
Jesus i only heard a 10 sec clip and i nearly died
Joey the viking speedy is great too
Let that child alone
The Cell saga is good too because it realizes the hero arc of Gohan, that finally can compete with adult warriors. The Majin Bu arc screws everything with kindergarten super sayans and Gohan regressed to a complete idiot
The Buu saga is easily the weakest of the three main arcs. It feels the most, "because fuck it!" out of all of them.
Gohan was fighting with the adult warriors since the Saiyan Saga though.
No the entire point of the cell arc was goku realizing that he shouldn't be forcing gohan to fight when he clearly doesn't want to. I would argue this shock would have been good if goku fully relying on gohan wasn't comeptley out of character to begin with. Goku is all about pushing his limits and becoming stronger and seeing as he could easily have reached super sayain2 and he basically choose not to so gohan would have fought cell is just such a huge change in goku's character to the point where it's not believable. Now the majin buu saga did this change much better where goku could have finished off majin buu while he was playing around but instead choose to rely on the kids because goku doesn't stop training or prevent himself from becoming stronger to pass down the shield on too them. However this entire scene is ruined by the fact that he learned trying to force a 9 year old to fight was stupid . At least this one was slightly less stupid as it was 2 7 year olds that actually wanted to fight but it contradicts the lesson he was supposedly have learn in the cell saga. At least the majin buu saga doesn't end contrdacting the lesson goku learned in cell saga with gotenks actually winning like gohan in the cell saga did and with goku actually having to finish it.
@@Inviabledude45I thought the main idea of the cell arc was gohan can easily surpass his father however downgraded as fans still wanted goku to be the main character plus goku only really made gohan fight as gohan could easily have finished off cell, yet not wanting to fight cell provokes him, also imo gohan is almost just as responsible because as soon as he was at his Super Saiyan state gohan decided that he wanted to play around with cell, even though it was clearly obvious that Gohan was leagues above Cell, which as a result caused Cell to get a power boost and be slightly or just greatly stronger than Gohan
@@kvngjaygamez2570 and yes and the entire moral of that was not to entrust the faith of the world into a 9 year old kid. Goku could have easily trained and surpass cell but instead try and forced into his son who never wanted to fight. He fought because he had to but in the cell saga he didn't have to. Goku could have just as easily trained with vegeta and the training for him would have been far more effective. Picclo even tells goku he was stupid for doing so and the entire arc for goku was that he shouldn't have done it and gohan struggling for his father mistake. Than comes buu arc and throws that character development out the window when goku says ah let the kids do it. I just find it funny that it threw that character development away but did the character development better as in this one goku entrusted it to both goten and trunks instead of one 9 year old and both goten and trunks unlike gohan didn't like fighting. They fail as a result of goku trying to pass the flame to early and as a result goku has to come in and finished off the main villain instead of entrusting the world into underage kids that shouldn't be fighting these monsters in the first place. I mean its even more in goku's character than the cell arc because goku didn't limit his own growth in power like he did in cell which is just character assaitantion as goku would never do that.
"Cell has no personality"
Come on, by that logic Freezer is just a King Piccolo clone with some Vegeta peppering
Marcus is just trying to make it seem like every villain after Frieza is boring and bland, but he completely misunderstands most of the villains that it's honestly astounding to me.
nah freiza has a better personality because he is significant in the plot he’s the one who kilt all the saiyans and destroyed planet vegeta also he has ties with beerus
@@teddythekingofbears bro name a personality trait cell has
and in particular, what about him sets him apart from the other big bads?
@@plasticsand9370 Well, (Perfect) Cell is more begging for attention and he likes to be out in the open while Frieza just wants to rule the universe while sitting in his chair while in his 1st form. Cell likes to be more direct and open. I would also state that compared to Frieza, Cell is calmer and more laid back. Frieza wanted immortality and wanted to rule the universe forever while Cell just wanted to test his perfect powers and prove to everyone that he is the most powerful creature in the universe by doing the damage himself. Also, Cell was willing to kill himself if it meant also blowing up the planet and everyone on it just so Gohan, Goku, and everyone else died along with him, and not even Frieza would do that. Frieza destroyed Namek and felt content with it because he knew he could survive in space. He knew it was still possible for him to survive, while Cell had no idea he would live and was okay with dying if it meant the others died with him. That shows me Cell is more daring than Frieza and is willing to take more risks. Also, unlike Cell, Frieza doesn't care about fighting strong warriors, and he doesn't have a thrill for battle like Cell does. Frieza does love torture, but torture and battle are different things. He just doesn't want people getting in his way. Frieza didn't try to force Goku to get mad and get stronger by doing so like Cell did with Gohan.
Who else watched Dragon Ball Z on Toonami after school?
Who didn't?
Me
NickToons for me.
Why’s blackscape here
BlackScape Who used to watch it twice in one day? Once after school and again during the Toonami Midnight Run?
My......my..only hearted comment was on...that...video.. ;-; ;-; ;-;
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@Nabil Haque My deepest condolences
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Haha get fucked
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"can't be racist to a race that don't exist" tfsFrieza :3
That was my immediate thought too.
Forget Kai - DBZA is the best dub. ;p
Ishotblanks 11 like the clourforce
Thats what we need to do with thr blacks and arabs
@@MultiTwentyseven OK buddy
Just like those filty money grubbing klorfors, tried to klorf me right out of my money, Blew them is what I did.
The best thing about the Saiyan saga is that the Flying Nimbus isn't forgotten
I agree with most of your statements, but I think you bashed a little too hard on Cell for bitching around and begging Vegeta to let him transform again. He kind of made it in a clever way by going for Vegeta's pride and desire to fight strong opponents. He knows this because he is part Vegeta himself.
In addition, did you remember when Frieza was put into place by Goku in his 50% form? He also cried around like "damn.....just let me power up to 100% and I beat the shit out of you" ........that's exactly the same thing Cell did. Only criticise Cell for this but not Frieza seems a bit unfair. Furthermore, Frieza cried like a Baby when cut into pieces by his own attacks, begging Goku to let him live.....
Don't get me wrong.....I don't want to say Frieza sucks or is equal to Cell (characterwise). I also think Frieza is the best-written villain in DB history, but I see Cell for the concept which he and his Character is: Cell is the embodiment of the greatest foes the Z-Fighters had to overcome, including themselves. And all the Z-Fighters fail to due so because Cell kind of always knows how his opponents tick, so he strategizes around this and finally Gohan is the one who overcomes not only Cell himself but every other fighter we know.
Canon manga wise Cell pretty much gave up and lost control of himself after Gohan punched him like twice which is what I hate the most about his character, just a big bully with no fight and grit. Sure Vegeta and Frieza were all bullies but at least they pushed on until the very end.
As great as the story was during Cell arc, his character and his arc is played out by OP power ups. Once a character get a power boost, they stormed everybody else. Beside the ending point that is the Kamehameha battle, I don’t think there was an even fight the entire arc beside minor fights like Piccolo vs Cell or 17 vs Piccolo, either Z fighters stomped Cell or Cell stomped the Z fighters, there was that one Goku vs Cell fight but its only a build up for Gohan vs Cell. In Saiyan saga, there was Goku vs Vegeta and then Krillin, Gohan, Goku collective effort against Vegeta. And Frieza saga there was Goku and everybody vs Frieza and then SSJ Goku vs Frieza. Buu saga there were Gotenks vs Super Buu, Goku vs Kid Buu and then pretty much everyone against Kid Buu.
@@onemore512 i hated Cell in the anime, but Cell in DBZA is amazing. The Cell Saga/Arc(ep32-60) contains everything the show has and is better than it(30 Years of hindsight does that). You could watch DBZA and any English dub and details are basically the same and you woild be caught up in the same way
DBZA does Cell Perfect by his ending. Unlike the original where he thought he couldn't die because he was perfect, in DBZA, he accepted it. He didn't care. Because he travelled each and every highway. But more.Much more than that. He did it his own way. He achieved his perfection and got the fight he wanted,, he wanted nothing more. The perfect life for him
I know the buu saga isn’t the best, but for me it felt like it finally wrapped up vegetas character arc. With him trying to be evil but realising it’s not what he wants, he even fuses with one of the people he hates most and of course the ending of him finally swallowing his pride and respecting goku for being better than him. But super kinda messed it all up as there was no where really to go with vegetas character afterwords.
And this is how Goku actually encourage a fight between cell and Gohan as well, he knew that cell is a part of him, and he knows that he has an itching desire to fight rediculuosly strong opponent to test his own ability. He kept on about how Gohan is gonna beat cell, he even go as far as to give cell a senzu bean to reclaim his strength. Cell in my opinion is the Z fighters fighting against the flawed versions of their selves, so Goku doing this was almost like he was fighting himself and that was the point where cell had actually started to loose, because he accepted the challenge,and ironic enough,Goku learned a lot about himself through cell, but it wasn't him alone, vegeta ,krillin ,picollo , Gohan being one of the main ones, all learnt something about themselves. That's why I love the Android saga because in terms of story, it's just as good as the namek saga, maybe not in terms of villains, but in terms of character writing,it's solid there as well, but I agree with what they said about the namek saga as well.
@@onemore512 what would you expect him to do at that point? Which villain doesn't lose control after losing? Pain lost it too. Doffy lost it too everyone
reason why Krillin is the best:
he married and banged Android 18 what else is there to cement this man as true super sand legend
I dunno, man. Bulma was Day1 Bae, so Vegeta is at least in the running. 18 or Bulma? Fuck it. Why not both?
@@Abshir1it1is My man now thats a hell of a threesome
even more Legendary than Super Sand💯He’s Real Super Sandwich
Yeah, but the reason people have much respect for Krillin is that 18 was so out of his league. It's totally plausible a guy like Vegeta could get a woman like Bulma.. or even Goku getting a woman like Chi Chi for that matter.
Vegeta banged Bulma. I bet he banged her mom too. Heck, he probably even banged Chi-Chi while Goku was dead.
For those who don't know and part of what made the Saiyan arc so great was that Goku was in fact far weaker than Vegeta in their fight with the Kaioken helping to close the gap between them but ultimately still losing creating some awesome dramatic tension. It also offered Vegeta a frustrating and reality hitting experience that such a low class warrior could push him so far but still took the combined efforts of Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe to take him down.
Completely agree. Both Vegeta vs. Goku fights are the absolute peaks of entertainment for the show.
Mega Wave The Saiyan Saga as a whole was just amazing. It had superb character development, great writing, and several memorable moments. It’s easily one of DB’s greatest sagas !!
I love how they had a lack of fighters in the Frieza saga, it just shows how you gotta rely on the weaker/other fighters to go exploring. Meanwhile in the cell saga, everyone is alive and the weaker fighters now stay in the back of the line....rip yamcha
basically the only time power levels were use right
Something to remember is that goku has never ACTUALLY defeated vegeta in a fight. Vegeta however....
I believe Krillins first death in early Dragon Ball changed everything and I think the timeskip after he started training with Kami was the time it truly became Dragon Ball Z and changed from a gag manga.
- The plot changed
- Goku became the worlds saviour
- The training intensified
- Death was introduced
- The tone of the manga was more adult
I feel the show become action based when the Red Ribbon Army was introduced
@@MetalMadness_00 I think they meant it was the point where that Z formula really took hold. The Red Ribbon Army still had Dragonball's gag manga roots. Ninja Murasaki? Commander Red's wish? The Great Demon King Piccolo did NOT fuck around, and it was the first time the series took a truly serious tone.
@@MetalMadness_00 it started shifting towards that direction with the 21st world tournament. piccolo daimao was where the roots of z took hold, and z itself it marked by goku no longer being able to defeat the main villain by himself
Straight up? The only arc in all of dragonball that doesnt fit alongside each other is the first one where its almost all comedy. everything after that is more action based.
“There are so many ways to watch this show”
*glances over at tfs, where I practically got the most of dbz from*
Ryan so you have a very warped idea of the team dbz then
@@nnightkingj I do not know of what team that is, but I am well aware of the differences, as many, many people like to make videos about
But I also don't mind skipping filler, either
Ryan I didn't mean "the team" but usually those who watched tfs version first think that's how the show went character wise
TFS isn't a substitute for actual Dragon Ball. If you want no filler, just read the manga.
@@AlexanderDiviFilius or DBZ Kai
5:49 "Goku now has a son who's going to be stronger than he is."
*Watches DBS*
*Sad Noises*
Gohan's still strong though, probably around #17 or Freeza, due to the fact that they are all around the same level as Goku Blue.
@@AlexanderDiviFilius bro have you seen the fight goku destroyed gohan in blue
@@fast7710 "Gohan showed a power that rivaled Goku's"
@@AlexanderDiviFilius Gohan couldn't even scratch Toppo in his Mystic state, while Goku was able to overwhelm him and even greatly damage him just in Blue, without the Kaio Ken, and was not even out of breath once the fight was over. Granted, neither of them were really going all out, but Goku was clearly winning that one, while Gohan couldn't even come close to that.
@@infamousplayer8772 I mean the Buu Saga already made Gohan dirty and stupid, like come on ... Gohan litteraly destroy Buu and then ... He gets destroyed and humiliated... And then he die, unconscious because of Buu destroying the earth... How lame is that?
Name one character trait that burter has
I'M THE FASTEST IN THE UNIVERSE!!!
Prefrontal Cortex holy shit I didn’t even realize that until now
Well we know he doesn't perform well under stress.Proven in his and jeices fight with goku
I've always felt that the Ginyu Force was a character in and of itself, since we don't spend that much time with individual members.
They do deserve some love tho', not only their theatrical posing added to the humour of the show, their wicked sense of honor and interesting gimmicks really made the show shine.
He's alien Sonic.
And Jeice is his Australian Tails/Knuckles hybrid friend.
Overconfidence. Insecurity. Maybe love, for Jaice?
I've always been of the opinion that the hardcore anime elitists who say Dragon Ball is a "normie anime" and thus not worth watching are just flat out wrong. The reason it is so popular not just in Japan, but here in the West too, is because it is legitimately one of the best, most influential, and fun anime you will EVER watch. It is fantastic and well worth anyone's time, even if you aren't an anime fan. It was my first introduction to anime when I was i kid, now i have hundreds of gigabytes of anime and manga on my computer. If nothing else, it is an excellent gateway drug.
Despite its popularity, many people only ay the games
Being good doesn't mean it isn't normie, but being normie doesn't make it not worth watching.
Mfers will call dragon ball normie and then go watch attack on titan, jujutsu kaisen and demon slayer
@@Ayeato lol yeah
I forgot where I saw this comment a few weeks ago but someone pointed out that people say DB (whole series) is predictable but it's been spoiled to death. Seeing Goku's brother letting everyone know he's an alien who was supposed to destroy earth, every other saga unfold would be insane to someone experiencing it for the first time. Vegeta's sacrifice and arc, cell absorbing everyone, etc. Great classic, worth checking out.
"I need an adult."
"I am an adult."
No, no you're not
But I am an adult
I only hit becaus i have a pent up anger against your dad, so... take that
@@aarondeyoung6315 what did piccolo do to you
@@kfconsoleenthusiast4992 its from the parody series made by tfs, vegeta is talking ro gohan.
Great video! Had great fun watching it!
did no one notice that he commented?
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It's confirmed the Naruto timeskip was just to change it's characters designs to be easier to draw. There you go ^^
Well, and they did need a little time to give Sakura some relevant skills. Because she couldn't have had any of those when she was introduced... And because her skills then mattered so much in Shippuuden
i think the reason Naruto started out as kids and had a timeskip was to just improve the skills quickly so they could fight the Akatsuki closer and not be wiped out so easily...a group that was clear filler forced by toei and shonnen jump on kishi to continue the series so it ran longer..notice how they don't exist prior to over 100 chapters into the story..i wonder why...oh cause their irrelevant fodder who don't add much to the story as a group...but yeah it needed a timeskip..it didn't really need a second but it had that too..smdh..which i hate @@Vohalika
They changed the characters to adult proportions to make tracing Cowboy Bebop fights easier.
@@razkable pierrot, not toei
@@razkable You must be the first Naruto fan to hate the Akatsuki.
The planet namek saga will always hold a special place in my heart
Farmer with a shotgun please train me to become a stronger warrior And hopefully beat pepsiman
Editor tells him he can't have an old guy and a clown as the main villains for the android saga. *Does it anyway in the Buu saga...*
*MAD LAD*
at that point Toriyama was just throwing shit to see what sticks to move the story and the editors knew it but insisted on having more Dragon Balll so they werent stopping him anymore
Except that Babidi was an alien dark mage, and Majin( which means demon or devil in japanesse) Buu was a magical demon(and a force of nature), and Dabura was the king of hell
@@exequielbreton4393 Dabura is the king of the demon world not hell.
he was really bent on having an old guy and a clown as the main villains
The Buu arc would've been better if they focused more the characters and just used Buu as something that drives their development. Like if they gave Goten an Trunks you know... A *personality*
but wait you don't wanna watch a goku clone, and way less interesting and younger version of a badass character, completely break power levels and achieve super saiyan like it's nothing?
@@josephporcelli2302 That shit was fucking ass, I hated how Trunks and Goten were super sayians just cuz. The dumbest thing is they could have made it work. If they went super sayian after Vegeta blew up and everyone thought Gohan was dead I wouldn't have a problem.
I've never seen the buu saga so dbz is still a 9\10 for me
@@zizoushifty1483 ikr? there are like multiple parts of the saga where it would have been so much better to have them transform, but the worst part of them is apparently two regular super saiyans can fuse and for some reason become a super saiyan 3? like how does that work?
@@zizoushifty1483 my running theory is that a saian having a child with a human (cause it wouldn't make sense otherwise or the whole race would have been swole af) makes the baby have a base power level of whatever the saian was, which becomes the baseline and only goes up with aging. Hence why Gohan was stronger than goku, and goten and trunks were stronger than them all.
Thank god somebody says piccolo is so cool. He gets over-shined by vegeta even tho piccolo has a better character arc and has more traits. He will forever be my favorite character
Piccolo has a mini arc in the Saiyan Saga and that's it. All of his other development is rushed and forced to go along with whatever roll Toriyama wants Piccolo to take. At least Vegeta still seems like the same person at the end of his character arc.
@@heirhead413 explain how Vegeta is the same character at the end? Surely if he was, he would have destroyed Earth at the first chance.
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog I didn't say same character, I said same person, it's different. You can tell I'm still the same person I was 10 years ago, but my character is completely different, I've developed. Vegeta is still mean, rude, prideful, because that's just his personality. But he isn't evil, he doesn't enjoy inflicting pain for his own satisfaction, he actually cares about people enough to sacrifice himself for them, instead of putting his life on the line for himself. He actually puts his pride away to save the Earth. The person is the same. His character has changed.
Not really rushed. He kidnapped Gohan to be evil, after killing the only two people who were a threat to him on earth. Gohan was sensitive 4 year old and grew to protect him because piccollo was a protective 7 year old. Where he took a kid to destroy Earth, the kid made him protect Earth.
@@artypyrec4186 You just described the one piece of character development I said wasn't rushed. Great job.
Do you like naruto? Guess what, you like dragon ball. You like dragon ball? Guess what, you like Journey to the West. This story is literally 1000 years old and it’s epic every time.
Finally someone said it!
Naruto is EXTREMELY different from dragon ball
@@yasserjimenez8070Oh come one, you KNOW that naruto was highly influenced by dragon ball, all shenens are, ya know why?, it was kinda the first Shonen.
@@pexavex7295 so what? The stories are completely different it’s just terrible logic to assume you’ll like dragonball if you like naruto. Those dragon ball inspirations are only visible to hardcore fans my parents for example don’t like dragon ball but love naruto, because it’s an emotional storyline with many tragic and uplifting moments, something not typically found in dragon ball. And I love dragon ball for what it is, a great shonen with awesome fights and powers with iconic characters. But dragon ball is about goku becoming stronger to defeat the villains, naruto is about a boy who wants to become hokage to stop his discrimination. The idea that just because they are both shonen they are the same is just extremely faulty thinking, shonen is a demographic meaning it’s for male teens. That’s literally it they are for male teens that don’t mean they are supposed to be alike at all even tho there ARE something’s for the most part they are completely different series
@@yasserjimenez8070 I never said they were the same, but you did bring up some very valid points, but I’ll say that I haven’t met anyone who hasn’t watched dragon ball and not liked naruto, it’s almost like it’s I fixed point in time, 😆, but fair.
Vegeta has some of the greatest character development in my opinion, but granted I’m basis
He is a pioneer of some sort, he started the vegeta syndrome. Actually picollo started, but nobody gives a fuck about classic dragon ball, lol it became a trope of the genre, the antagonist who become a anti-hero / companion later.
Nah you’re right he goes from a prideful villain and transitions and accepts what’s happened and admits gokus the best by the end. Plus the sacrifice
Vegeta is fucking amazing.
@@crisneros1725 too bad most of his development was off screen.
#BlameDeku K “basis” lol
Goku going Super Saiyan for the first time is the best moment in television history. Change my mind
Still think gohan transforming into ssj2 for the first time is just cut above the rest
noobslayer135 That was anime’s all time greatest scene !!
Luis Medina SSJ 2 wouldn’t be a thing without Goku’s SSJ
When trunks appears goes super Saiyan and reks Frieda and his dad with a sword , and you’re still wondering who the fuck he is.
Premiere episode of Spongebob Squarepants
“Tell me one single character trait that Dabura has”
Me: obedient, loyal, arrogant, and narcissistic. Don’t diss on the king of the demon realm!
But are those his traits or is he like that because he's been mind controlled?
@ to be honest we don’t know anything about dabura’s past life pre possession. But regardless those personality traits are their with Dabura when we are introduced to him.
Aren't obediant and loyal basically synonyms? And then arrogant and narcissistic go hand in hand to the point of making mentioning the both of them redundant
@@matthewsiracusa8459 That's exactly the problem. We don't know if those are *his* traits. If he's like that because he's being mind controlled then it's the same as nothing. Because we still don't know anything about him.
@ I’m aware of the problem I wish we got to know more about Dabura It’s true we don’t know anything about him other than that he’s king of the demon realm and is as strong as cell. Cosmonaut variety asked what traits Dabura has and I listed just that Based on what we see in the story. Even though I’m aware it could all be babidi mind control. But regardless we see those traits of him doing the short time we see him. Also the traits I listed could be seen in Dragon ball heroes and Xenoverse so it’s not all Babidi control however not everyone knows about that. For example he tries to avenge his sister towa in the game which would make him loyal and he was also loyal to babidi with warning him about Majin Buu’s betrayal. Well mannered could be a trait of Dabura as well since he complimented Goku Gohan and Vegeta. I really like Dabura so that’s why I defend his character even though he was wasted.
Honestly tho....The ending to the cell saga, was a lot more climatic than the end of the frieza saga.
Yea,it felt like a nice and perfect conclusion to the series
@@agenericguy1014 more like
P E R F E C T
Yeah. At the end of the Namek Saga, all you have is Goku at Super Saiyan. Not saying that wasn’t the best moment in the entire series, but what about Gohan? Where’s his realization as a character? And Piccolo fusing with Kami? And without the Cell Saga, you don’t get Trunks, one of the best characters in the entire franchise.
Yea I recently watched the original z but not the Kai version. So there was all the filler, and bro. The frieza arc is paced so slowly. It was borderline unwatchable during some of the later fights.
I mean, the show got dark during the King Piccolo Saga though, before the Saiyan Saga.
yeah but it still was just death, it wasnt almost gore like some of the kills in z were, sure Krillin was killed in db but he wasnt exploded into a thousand pieces or killed by a ki blast leaving a massive hole on his chest xd (yes goku was left with a big hole in his fight with Piccolo but he did survive, unlike his fight against Raditz).
Actually, in latin america we had Dragon Ball since the beginning.
Not to mention the original soundtrack....
How unfair 😭
Dayum, was it as big as it was in japan in latin america?
@@valiant8248 lol the mexican government literally endorsed public screenings of Goku vs Jiren in Mexican cities. Anywhere u go in Mexico you'll see Goku painted on restaurant signs, bouncy houses, street graffiti, taco stands, pharmacies, and lawyer offices. Latin America fucking loves dbz
@@lazaromurillo9212 dude thats fucking sick
It's kinda funny that I don't know anything that happens in Dragon Ball.....but I know everything that happens in Dragon Ball Z lmao
KING MAJORA Simply watch Goku vs Krillin, that fight is better than anything DBZ has to offer
@@eriksulin627 Facts I can feel emotions from it plus in DB death .... actually mattered mainly because the dragon balls was actually decently hard to get
@Zer0dog Goku vs Vegeta was a great fight
Goku vs Freeza was like every fight before it, but with horrible pacing that drags out all meaning it tried to convey before
Trunks vs Freeza was basically your typical fight where the guy solos powerful villain after the villain either beats everyone or is too strong for others to fight, this was already done better in Goku vs Drum and lacks the creativity and impact of Goku vs Nappa
Gohan vs Cell was carried off of artificial tension and a death that shouldn't even have affected Gohan the way it did, the fight itself drags and consists of either Cell kicking Gohans ass or Gohan kicking Cells ass, there is no variety in what each character does, it looks and feels the same as past fights, this is meant to be fight with barely any fight which focused more on the character's struggles while making the hits that count more impactful which was done better with Goku vs King Piccolo, Gon vs Pitou, and All Might vs All for One
Vegito vs Super Buu also was a dragged out fight with a gag that got less and less funny every time it was used, also the fact Vegito as a concept erased whatever tension was left in the series
Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu is the same shit, same choreography, same explosions, same sized beams, drags on forever, and no tension whatsoever, some good stuff happen like Mr. Satan and Vegeta admitting Goku was better (but that entire moment was ruined when he reverted back to his old self in Super)
If anything just watch the World Tournament fights in the show. They’re not as laser beamy as Z but they’re all so great
its not, thats about 90% of the retarded fanbase
Bro, please don’t make me rewatch this series for the tenth time man. You making me feel to watch it again
Dragon Ball, the Godfather of all Shonen
No Fist of the Northstar is.
@@pilgrimayana566 That's the GRANDfather of all shonen.
No,you still have Saint Seiya and JoJo
one word , DORORO
Leterian Hokuto no Ken is the godfather.
Man I remember watching the Frieza arc for the first time, I shit my pants every episode.
a big part of what makes the freeza arc so important is how it connects gokus history and piccolos aka the 2 strongest and important characters by the end of the first part of the manga ..goku becomes the ssj avenging his people on piccolos home planet vs the tyrant who started this show after finding balls to wish people back to life and because piccolo sacrificed himself all of this was possible..its brilliant...then we get time travel and robots and created man children and im like okay...wtf happened to this smart series..its like it was written for young kids again after getting so dark earlier...too many plotholes to count.....
Considering the amount of episodes the Frieza arc had in og Z you must have had alot of spare pairs haha
Me too when they finally defeated him, I was legitimately so relieved. I actually cried. I was like 9 years old.
Were you a fuckin lil baby when you watched it?
Love it or hate it. Dragon Ball is a very influential show with a lot of things many anime try and fail to emulate. I honestly love this show.
Some animes do better tho but there are few that fail at doing better
It's the most influential, but many animes have already easily surpassed it.
No matter who surpassed Dragon Ball, no anime will be able to reach the hype and love for Dragon Ball that’s been made. Literal stadiums were sold for the DBS finale 😂🙏🏻 Legends are never really surpassed.
@@saint8612 So it was surpassed but legends can't ever really be surpassed, *what?*
JGHifiversveiws I meant to say legends have a charm that no one can actually attain but imitate. DBZ is a legend and due to its flaws makes it an individual that isn’t seen as every other anime. It can never be surpassed cause no one can do it like them.
Though I do agree that the Sayan and the Frieza saga were very solid and well put together, I do not think ending it there would have done justice to Gohan's character arc. He had a hidden power that needed to be unveiled, and I felt the Cell Saga executed that very well. The story should have ended after Cell's death.
I agree
I also agree
Thank you for speaking facts.
I think so too
The manga and kai have much better pacing. The Freeza fight is such a slog in the original anime. Five minutes should not take two hours. Kai fixes all of the pacing issues.
Also kai is trash
The fight It’s 6 hours start to finish
@@ace_wash8363 Freeza v Goku is terribly pased in the original anime, regardless of how fast they were going. The "5 minutes" line works much better in Kai and the manga because, while more than 5 minutes may still be passing, it doesn't feel like a complete chore to get through.
Kai does have its fair share of issues though, but if you're a dubbie, most of them are worth it from what I can tell.
@Crado Dragmire OK anime connoisseur but if you are then I respect you
Well, the fight in the original is better overall, and it's longer. Kai may be more faithful to the manga and have better pacing, but the fight itself isn't as good as the one in the original.
The Dragon Ball Series is the most underrated yet overrated anime ever.
I've never heard anything so true before😂
Ikr👌👌👌👌
I mean sure you could say the animation is trash, (because of the schedule) You could say some fights last too long, and the writing is shit and so is most if not all the characters, the fights are mainly copy and paste, theirs barely any unique fighting styles, and a lot of things BUT it is still enjoyable 😊
@@goduzamaki4118 you missed out on ALOT that make Dragon Ball amazing lol this is my point
No... it's definitely just overrated
I think the series should have ended with the Cell Saga. I agree that the story was getting a little sloppy but the ending was so satisfying! It left me with no questions and it just felt so complete
They did another time skip bru like it should have ended
Yeah. But if the series was to continue, I think the Buu saga should've been the start of Super and Gohan bee the main character.
The ending of the Cell arc is a MUCH better ending than the Frieza one. The cell arc was all about family and essentially fighting one's self (since Cell was an amalgamation of the z fighters). It's a poetic ending that passes the torch to the next generation. Gohan will be earth's protector with Trunks coming up under him the way Goku did with his dad.
Vegeta learns to love his family, Goku finally allows himself to pass on, Trunks goes to his future and rights the wrongs, and Gohan, the most powerful living sayian, is a child who's only gonna grow from there.
Would have been a great ending
@@iansmart4158 totally agree. Frieza saga is the best Z saga but Cell saga ending really leaves you completely satisfied, especially watching Goku dying and Gohan, angry and blameful, taking the torch and becoming the strongest ever. So dramatic, so great. Unfortunately Cell saga had a very boring plot
@@iansmart4158 I think it comes across as organic to western fans because it fits a particular mold that Hollywood tends to follow, as well as the dub trying to re-frame this series as a superhero story where these characters take on a mantle to protect the Earth (even though it's more like they're just looking for greater battles and that the Earth gets saved as a consequence and because it's their home), but it wasn't actually something set up that way. In a scene right before his battle with Cell, it's re-established that Gohan still wishes to become a scholar when he gets older rather than continue fighting, and that he must deal with Cell if he can follow through with his aspirations. It was never about passing a torch.
Toriyama only teased with that idea later on in the middle of the Boo arc, only to back away from it after realizing that Gohan, a character who was born special and owes most of his strength to his innate powers being drawn out with ease, doesn't really work as a main protagonist of a Chinese wuxia-inspired series about bettering yourself through hard work (worth noting that fans complaining had nothing to do with it, and was just old magazine/internet rumors).
Rest In Power Super Saiyan Toriyama, their will never be another one like you.
"Everyone has a time skip"
KING CRIMSON
From what song?
@@felipetartas5434 as a Jojo reference?
Holy shit you just did a JoJo reference
Was that a JoJo's reference
@@Erick7Greenday i hate you
I just realized King Kai has absolutely shaped my personality and my sense of pride
Cell's my favorite villain, but the first 2 arcs are undoubtedly the best of the series.
In your opinion
TFS cell is good. Along with nappa and guru.
@@Riskofrain527 what part of "my favorite" don't you understand?
Fif0l I think he’s referring to the undoubtably part
@@randomduck8679 you're right, I'm too trigger happy.
What makes me like the Frieza saga more then what came after.
No stupid decisions that to advance the plot.
No constant debates over powerscaling
Vegeta sounded more like a prince back then and isn't so obnoxious.
Super Saiyan feels new and fresh.
Goku gives the best ass kicking moments.
It also has my favourite Kikuchi tracks
Okay, listen. I agree with most of your points. But saying Cell and Buu have no personality..? Dude, I have literally no idea where you got that. I mean, compared to Frieza, yes, I don't think they're as good. But at the very least give Cell some credit. Especially his first and perfect forms. Semi-perfect I'll admit was kind of lame, but the first and last forms of Cell?
Imperfect Cell is a disgusting, disturbing, absolute terror. His introduction is a sea of emptied clothing as he goes from town to town slaughtering people to add to his own strength. Perfect Cell is a monster in his own right, rarely killing anyone just because of how full of himself he is, and rightfully so. He _makes a tournament_ for the sole purpose of seeing if anyone on the planet is actually capable of taking him, and he doesn't even expect to use his full power. Hell, until Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, he _isn't_ using his full power. He's a smarmy, self-absorbed madman who pulls a Frieza and toys with the entire planet for fun. Some of these are definitely taken from Frieza, but you have to realize that some of what you complained about was _also_ taken from Frieza. All that whining he did? Frieza did that too. He breaks when he realizes he's losing. Also, Frieza doesn't drink people, or obsess over perfection. He's also missing one of Cell's best traits, which he takes from Goku: He enjoys fighting. Cell, like the Saiyans he's made from, loves a good challenge, hence why he doesn't kill Trunks, or Vegeta, or hell even Krillin. He lets everyone go, gives them 10 days, and holds a tournament.
Buu, I'll let you have. Admittedly he does have some personality, but it's mostly just childish destruction with Fat Buu, moronic insanity with Super Buu, rehash of Cell's more boring traits with Buutenks/Buuhan, and childish destruction amped up to 11 with Kid Buu.
Thank you, damn ppl don't know Cell as well as they think
Agreed, Cell and Boo arc get unnecessary hate
My mouse instinctively moved over to hover over the dislike button when he said Cell has no personality. you can't be much more wrong .
I appreciate what you wrote about cell, but about buu you´re forgetting something. Buu has personality. Especially Fat Buu. First, he was just a tool for destruction used by Babidi. He is just following orders (for food). After he betrayed his master, he starts to developing: enter Mister Satan!
Buu is childish, yeah, but not destructive. He just doesn´t know something different. Do you remember the scene with this blind boy? (even if it is filler, i am not sure about that, but anyway thats a great scene). Buu was used to the fact that everyone was afraid from him. Until he met this blind boy. So Buu heals him and was expecting that the boy is now afraid like everyone else. He is so pleasantly surprised, that he offers candy to the boy. And don´t let me start about the part with the dog. He started to caring for a dog! And a human, who he has mostly eaten before.
That is more character (and character development) that Cell ever had.
Kaunte Same, But he made many good points throughout the video and is a fellow DB/OP/HXH fan, so I can do nothing. XD
Frieza was OP until goku attained super saiyan. Cell is interesting because he uses his knowledge of vegeta to play on his desire for competition in order to achieve his goal. In other words he ain't to proud to beg
Plus Cell's transformation tactics are just weird and cool. and he had to be smart in a way Frieza never did. Cell was a genius as well as a fighting machine.
But that’s why Cell never feels like a threat. He’s just kinda a thing you gotta keep a lid on.
Frieza on the other hand was the kind of guy you hope he never knew you even existed.
Nothing feels like a threat in dbz
Guess what? Frieza is almost the biggest threat on everything cell isn't even that much of a threat as long as ur not an idiot same goes to Kid Buu and Super Buu and Majin Buu,But when its on frieza it's a different story for frieza he has no mercy doesn't care if ur a kid or and at the same time he's rlly smart for example Goku sent Goten and trunks to fight Buu but when it's frieza he won't even let them watch that's how big of a threat frieza rlly is...
@@KarthikArmstrong GTFO
Am I the only one who keeps getting pulled back into Dragon Ball specifically by Team Four Star?
No, they're fucking amazing. I enjoyed their Cell saga waaaaay more than Super.
they did it THEIR WAAAAAY
Jaldaboath Irghen yeah the Cell Saga in Super sucked.
@@chiefkeith57 lol
Nope. All I'd ever seen as a kid was Kai, and Team Four Star got me more into Dragon Ball and I eventually read the manga and watched the entire series.
Good to come back to this video to now remember how impactful Toriyama truly was. Such a strong and everlasting mangaka, and an amazing tribute video to his definitive work.
Wow you really did my man Cell dirty. I don't know if I would go as far as to say he's better than Frieza, but he's by no means a bad or boring villain. In fact I would say he would've been the perfect way to end the series. He's literally the combination of every main hero and villain of the series (Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza) Giving him both the abilities and personalities of all of them. At first he is cautious and tactical, not picking fights that he knows he can't win. He absorbs enough people so that he's confident that he can absorb the androids and gain his perfect. Once he becomes perfect, his inner Frieza, Vegeta and Goku come out because he has become the best and he knows it. However, he doesn't just go out and kill all the ZFighters and destroy the planet (like Frieza would), he decides to hold a tournament and give the heroes ten days to prepare. This is because (like Goku) he wants to fight them at their strongest and prove that he is without a doubt the best. That and the fact that it gives some closure to Gohan's hidden power and story, the Cell Saga is the best way to end the series. A culmination of all of their hardships and ultimately a passing of the torch to the next generation (though ultimately Goku comes back and that's all undone).
I agree completely 100%. Goku vs Frieza is hands down my favorite fight but the android/Cell saga is my favorite saga because of everything you said, and more shit like Vegeta's character development and getting to witness him finally achieve Super Saiyan out of his pure lust to surpass Goku as if his life depended on it, and also the mind-blowing storyline and concept of time travel that Toriyama put together. It was plot twist after plot twist, and there were so many moments where you thought you finally understood what was going on and then boom, you didn't know anything at all. And then Gohan taking over for Goku as savior of earth came as a huge surprise and made for a great passing of the torch as we see him unlock his full hidden potential. Lastly, I want to mention Piccolo reuniting with Kami as a crucial point of not just the saga but the whole series. It was the greatest thing to ever happen to TV. What's crazy is the Saiyan and Namek/Frieza sagas are just as good in their own ways. DBZ is a masterpiece.
@@Balal8281 not all Gohan's hidden potential,
i think his potential is near infinite(if not infinite)
@@exequielbreton4393 he cries alot
Cell sucked Donkey dick he was a throw away character just like goten trunks and all the androids. They were all created to keep the money train going that added nothing to the series and they are all forgettable.
and then it goes downhill. Yeah story should have ended after the Cell Games.
Actually the structure of the Cell saga is perfect in my opinion. It's about father and son relationship. It opens with Freeza and his father coming back. Trunks, Vegeta's son, came from the future to observe how his father he never knew was such a selfish prick. Goku, had to confront the fact that he's... actually a pretty bad dad and that Gohan never wanted to be like him. The fact that Gohan wore Piccolo's clothes to Cell fight is very symbolic. The structure is very well thought out. Every character pay for underestimation of their opponent. Cyborg Freeza underestimated Trunks, cyborg 19 and 20 underestimated Vegeta, Vegeta underestimated Cyborg 17 and 18, Cyborg 17 and 18 underestimated Cell, Cell 2nd form underestimated powered up Vegeta, powered up Vegeta underestimated Cell 3rd form, Cell 3rd form underestimated Gohan, Gohan overestimated himself over cell 3rd form who blew himself up with his dad, Gohan came to his sense and win. I don't see how it's more perfect than that.
Yeah but that’s not actually the structure of the show you’re talking about. You’re talking about theming. Sure, a series can have a bunch of symbolism and reoccurring themes, but if the narrative isn’t consistent in tone and writing, and if the story doesn’t have good pacing, it’s not a well structured story. That’s not to say the Cell Saga is bad, but it doesn’t feel consistent in tone, and a lot of stuff just seemed like it was made-up as the story continued, like there was no true plan for how the series was gonna turk out.
Now in the Cell Saga these issues are minor at worst. It’s in the Buu saga that it really just feels like they had no idea what they wanted to do with it when they were writing it. And while that makes for some fun moments and concepts, like fusion and stuff like that, it’s not how you write a cohesive narrative. Luckily the Cell Saga doesn’t have too much of this.
@@Da_Swifta toriyama is well known to make shit up as he goes, and the android saga pretty much marks the start of him getting sick with writing dragon ball
Panasit _Don't you mean "Android" 17 and 18 because once you talk about robots using "cyborg" everyone is gonna think you are talking about the cyborgs from "Cyborg 009" I'm just SAIYAN :)
@@Vapor817 he pretty much planned Sayian and Namek tbh
That's a theme not a structure ffs. The structure was ok at best but very random
nothing will convince me that frieza wasnt the intended finale of the series. the protagonist fulfills a thousand year old prophecy, locked in a duel to the death with the evil emperor of the universe on a dying planet, with BOTH sets of the TITULAR dragonballs being INTEGRAL to the plot? come ON.
on that topic, great video, but one thing you could have touched on more is how the dragonballs really take a back seat after the frieza saga, despite being the TITLE.
(also tho i agree with everything you say about frieza, i felt you were a tiny bit harsh on everything that comes after)
Can't imagine the Dragon Balls taking a backseat in the story before the Android saga? I guess you never watched Dragon Ball then. You know, before they added the 'Z' at the end of the title? The prophecy was only introduced after the Saiyan saga. What's actually been set up since near the beginning of the show was Gohan's hidden power, which doesn't payoff until the Cell saga. Toriyama may have thought about ending the series prior to that, but he would've definitely left some loose ends.
@@shiranuiaensland1442
Vegeta and Nappa mentioned becoming
Super Saiyans in the Saiyan Saga, before they went to planet Earth
@@exequielbreton4393 Right, but I don't remember it being established as a prophecy before the Frieza saga. I've even come across someone who said that the original conversation between them was about mixed Saiyans becoming more powerful than pure bloods.
toriyama said it himself that dragonball z was supposed to end at frieza but he was pressured into the android saga because of money. the original stories of dragonball & and dragon ball z are perfect masterpieces and should be seen as the greatest manga ever.
@@dallyvfx3d
The same Toriyama that's still continuing the franchise today. I'm sure Ridley Scott never envisioned James Cameron's Aliens either.
Buu is great imo. He’s basically what happens if a godlike toddler throws temper tantrums. I like how in order to actually tame him Mr. Satan befriended him. Then adult buu is just so pure evil and sadistic I love him, and kid buu is all primal and just screams and punches himself.
Yeah, Dabura had no personality. But: he started out as The Devil, king of the underworld. Then ended up in heaven, in a camp of flowers, wishing welfare for the human race.
Y'gotta at least hand it to him: he had an interesting arc.
Everything after his death is filler and dabra is a henchmen, this guy is biased.
@@ripper3052 I hate the whole filler thing: just because it didn't canonically happen doesn't mean you didn't watch it and it never existed in any kind of media. Eh, maybe I'm just white knighting OP, the most underrated UA-camr of all time.
Toei treaded the DBZ Charakters better whan Torijama. In the Manga Lunch just dissapeared, in the Anime, she leaves Tien, after he startet too be annoyed about her. Dabura had a very funny change of heard. Garlick Junior give Kami some streamtime and give him some dignity back, and remembers us about the Demon thing. Also it give Gohan and Kuririn some Battles too show of they owne strenge.
@@Sunaki1000 that doesn't make it better. What does Lunch showing up in episode 30 leads to? Nothing. They explicitly mentioned in the manga that she had ran off somewhere and that's it, don't tell me she is more interesting than deeper characters we got in Z like Gohan, Trunks or fucking Vegeta.
Dabra thing was filler and don't even sit well with his honorable character who tried to take on Fat boo himself after he sensed that boo can be a threat to them.
Garlic Jr. Wasn't bad but again it's not necessarily good. It creates timeline inconsistency since the movie happens when the cast are aware of Gohan whereas in Z the moment the cast meets Gohan, raditz shows up, see?
Its fine but it drags the show. They anime unnecessarily dragged Vegetto fight with him going ssj instantly in anime and fighting boo in base form, then whole namek shit, etc.
His change into a nice guy was very funny.
So does changing the colour saturation actually work against copy right? Asking for a friend...
Only sometimes.
Its still up so who knows.
There is also film grain and stuff on this video
Toei is fucking ridiculous when it comes to this crap.
Max Stahl you could have just stopped after “Toei is fucking ridiculous” and I’d still have agreed with your comment. lol
I was so happy when I saw this notification because I need a break from political ads, that I clicked on it and immediately got a political ad
I hate the Naruto timeskipe because the lack of change. Naruto was away for almost 3 years. And he comes back with:
Rasengan but like, big
Apparently Naruto and Jiraiya spent the time skip perving on girls trying to bathe while Sasuke was the only one actually training. Naruto even has a monologue in the first arc of Shippuden where he says he spent three years training and nothing has changed because not only is Sasuke still gone he's lost Gaara to the Akatsuki as well
How. When naruto was cheating through the rasengan, people complained he progressed too quickly for someone not gifted. When he comes back from the time skip and still shows that he needs to cheat the technique even though it’s much improved, people are still mad because he didn’t master it. Pick a fucking side.
@@rainingcomplete3018 whose “they”.
@@rainingcomplete3018 wdym have you been in the anime community for more than a week? Every 3 seconds people talk about how much plot armor there is because he “learned” a move in short time. Even though.. he did it in the most realistic amount of time, meanwhile every other anime mc a huge sinner of this
@@rainingcomplete3018 I literally said “people” like what are you talking about
"The pace of the series picks up a lot"
I guess you must be talking about the One Piece manga cuz the anime slows down to sludge post time skip.
maybe he skips the filler
Even slower?, i got to around ep 120 or so years ago and just completely stopped as it was as slow as a constipated turd during winter.
I agree that Frieza is the best arc, but i wouldn't necesarily say it would be a good conclusion. Since the beginning of Z to the end of frieza saga is hinted that Gohan has a hidden strenght and that he might even be stronger than Goku. And thats not fully explored until cell saga. So ending on Frieza wouldn't be fully satisfactory
Gohan is actually stronger than Goku in the first arc.
Actually it could have ended there the same way it actually ended. Z ended with uub being seen as the future protector of earth, in my opinion the Z ending with Gohan as the future would have been better.
@@knight-mares but ubb was introduced at the very last episode just to put some kind of excuse for goku to disappear again lol. Gohan's power was talked about since the early episodes not seeing him surpassing his father (which was the promise from those early episodes) wouldn't be satisfactory, while the possible ending you are suggesting could apply to literally every character, even ones that appear out of nowhere at the end.
@@darksaint0124 kind of, just when extremely angry but still pretty useless in a fight. It would be more accurate to say that gohan shows a bigger potential than goku since the beginning. I don't think he even beat a single opponent before cell.
@@diegog1853 I think they eluded enough that Gohan would surpass Goku, dbz would have ended at it's highest point. It got stale in later arcs but I'm not dissatisfied that toriyama milked the shit out of this series because even though later arcs aren't as good, they added more characters for games like budokai 3 and FighterZ.
8:32 "Cell had no personality" Yeah ok 👌
CuriousTrout He does have no personality of his own. As he said, all of Cell's noticeable traits were done by Freeza first.
@@shinji136 There's nothing similiar except they're arrogant. Freeza hates resistance, Cell loves it. Freeza hates games, Cell loves them. Freeza curses his enemies when they unlock new power, Cell refuses to fight them until they do. Freeza blows planets up to prevent the emergence of strong fighters, Cell organizes tournaments so they can all have a shot at him.
@@curioustrout And all those differences are traits Vegeta has. Still not a good thing to basically make a hybrid of Freeza and Vegeta as your main villain. It's just recycling.
@@shinji136 Weird, I remember Vegeta specifically letting someone else do most of the fighting in his arc, which is the opposite of Cell's love for fights 🤔 In fact, Vegeta threw tantrums every time Goku got stronger, again the opposite of Cell.
CuriousTrout Vegeta only let Nappa deal with the small fry due to his pride. Also, I could just as easily say Cell left the Cell juniors to deal with the Z fighters rather than do it himself, and it has the same validity.
Also you're forgetting the tantrums Cell threw when 2nd Grade Vegeta was wrecking him? Or when Super Saiyan 2 Gohan did so too?
Cell is just a mix of Vegeta and Freeza, but without any valid motivations and goals. So recycling with lessened quality.
The only thing I wish that would have happened was
Ki was known as an earth technique
It would have definitely made the series a lot more interesting seeing as the earthlings had a leg up on all these other people
but then everyone else is a fucking joke
I can’t remember the fan series but it one of them Gohan actually becomes a scholar teaching people about Ki and how to use it. If the spirit bomb against buu was so strong imagine actual ki users combined??
Ki in traditional Chinese belief should exist in all living things. It's just a physical force that move your body, your kick or punch.
I really disagree with trunks undermining SSJ at all. His presence was all mysterious. And if anything I honestly think Gohan's SSJ2 is the best SSJ arc.
Gonna be real, from a design perspective I think Bug Cell was way more intimidating than his later forms, or any other villain.
He absorbed people before Buu by stabbing and drinking them, that was pretty hardcore and they could've made Cell much more memorable by pushing that aesthetic further IMO, rather than turning him into cowardly fish lips followed by Frieza 1.7.EXE
Toriyama originally wanted to do just that, but his editor told him that would be too "scary" so he turned into the derpy frog-lipped man and then Handsome Squidward.
VolticSurge
Lmfao
The fan art of bug cell absorbing/drinking people is terrifying lol
I think Naruto's timeskip was a good choice. The young characters were still too powerful for their age, but at least it was a little more believable than if they had all still been pre-pubescent children. It also added some new unknowns about the character that were fun to explore or added some more depth. That's not to say that the timeskip was super well done and the other examples weren't better - but it was still a better story than without it.
@Wrath Incarnate Naruto's goal isn't really meant to change until SPOILERS
Jariya's death because Naruto was always immature and despite his childhood being depressing he remained up beat. Losing Jariya is the first thing that tells the character about casualties of war and him inheriting Jariya's will for peace is what drives Naruto to become Hokage for more than just recognition.
@@DZlegend excellent Point bro 😎
@@DZlegend just one of the many reasons the pain arc is goated
Goku going ss for the 1st time and vegeta's speech and crying before dying are the 2 most memorable moments in the show.
He didn’t lose to goku tho. He took the kamehameha survived and goku was spent spending the rest of the fight on his back lol.
The collective effort was stronger than vageta tho
Have you even watched the fight krillin wanted kill vegata and Goku saved his life.. My God
He only beat Goku by going great ape.
@@codyadams3051 He didn't need to, Goku was completely destroyed after that beam struggle. Vegeta could've come back without transforming and slap Goku to oblivion tbh.
@@Rex13013vegeta got beaten so badly by kaioken times 3 that he was getting overpowered and slapped around by based form goku. Vegeta getting owned caused him to attempt suicide than admit defeat to goku. In vegeta's suicide attempt to destroy the planet goku had to use kaioken times 4 to stop it which hurt goku's body. Even after that vegeta still struggled to kill goku as a great ape which is 10 times multiplier to all stats so vegeta was significantly weakened as well.
@@Inviabledude45 literally all Goku managed to do when Vegeta went Oozaru was run away, almost form a Genki Dama, and then catch Vegeta off guard with an eye-blast. Oh, and give what was left of the Genki Dama to Kuririn, which didn't even kill him still.
Vegeta didn't realise that Kaioken took a toll on your body, and so went Oozaru simply to close the power gap, not knowing that Goku was unable to reach that power again. Not only that, but it's stated that forming the false moon lowered his ki, meaning there was less of it to be multiplied when he went Oozaru.
Actually, I can give you a character trait from Deborah.
Evil.
Boom. I did it.
Debra
He also genuinely cared for Babidi in his quest to revive Buu, but no one remembers that part...
Except it’s not a trait because it’s his entire fucking character
He was a true story of change of heart, and became a lover
He loves little critters and life. Turns out babidi was a bad influence
Original cell dub, absolutely agree with you. Dbz abridged Cell? Can't be beat, best villain 2018.
Fin Fen wholeheartedly agree
Japanese Cell is soo good too
cell abridged voice is best voice
Never seen it ...is it that good? I'm a really big dbz fan
@@rickrode3831 yes the jokes are very well made
RIP Akira Toriyama :( March 1st, 2024
Honestly Dragon Ball (from the original, DBZ/DBKai, GT and Super) is my favorite fictional franchise of all time.
same
Super is trash
@@ifeanyiozoh5735 1.Db 2. Dbs 3. Dbz
@Jay veeru Z force For me the fucked power scaling in dragon ball super just ruins the whole experience,especially with kale and caulifla,But otherwise it was pretty good ( not as good as z but still good )
Adam Braun gt sucks
I loved and enjoyed most of this review, and generally agree with most of your reviews, but the point on Cell seems a bit like you missed the point. Or maybe you did see the point, but just didn't like it much anyway(which is fine)
He starts out almost as this horror story/slasher villian at the start(which is when he has the most personality), but slowly morphs into more of a concept than a true character: He's the culmination of everything Goku(and the Z-fighters) had to surpass up to that point. Cell is essentially the vehicle in which they attempted to put Gohan over as the new main character. By overcoming the representation of everything that the Z-fighters have beaten up to that point(and killing off Goku), they try to show us that Gohan is the new main character, and is worthy of the status as Earth's hero that Goku held up to that point.
You should review the cinematic masterpiece that is the Speed Racer movie
TurtlesOrDeath, yes, we need this!
I’d be interested to see a different reviewer’s take on it, but Patrick (h) Willem did a kickass review of Speed Racer. If I haven’t fucked up the spelling of his name, you should check it out.
Oh, it’s Patrick (H) Willems.
I'd love to see Marcus break down the ending. That shit was fire
Yes please. I loved it when it first came out and was surprised people said it sucked. Nowadays i'm happy there are people who do appriciate it for what it is
Krillin was my favorite character as a kid. He was so awesome in Dragonball and the early parts of DBZ before they gave him a hair transplant and abandoned him completely.
“He has a FUKIN SORD.” The idea that man with intense skill and energy beams still has a sword shows how fucking awesomely self aware he is.
Another funfact; Cell was modeled after Toriyama's editor that told him the past two villain designs were "bad".
5:18
That's now been change. Bardock(his father) sent him to Earth as he had a feeling Frieza was going to do something, but as Raditz never knew this(and didn't even now Frieza destroyed Vegeta) it makes sense for him to presume this as it was the norm of the Saiyans
The retcon is stupid though, and contradicts the original manga.
The Dragonballs retcon the original manga, its just what happens when you have a show spanning decades
@@freewyvern707 it's not bad because it's a retcon, it's bad because it's a stupid retcon. Toriyama was good at harmless retcons back during the original manga run, but the retcons in the new material absolutely reek.
This has become my comfort UA-cam video. So satisfying to rewatch.