Why I Hate Live-Action Anime Adaptations
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"I love Star wars but that doesn't mean I would make a good star wars movie" THANK YOU!!!! so many fandoms have this mentality. Being a fan does not garentee the movie you make in a franchise will be masterpiece.
I run into that mentality in my job as ghostwriter. Everyone thinks that they need passion and that ONE brilliant idea to get going as a successful writer. I'm usually cleaning up the results of that hubris, which can be akin to turning lead into gold or at least brass.
“I can make a better Pokémon game!!”
*slams a giant computer with an industry-specific game engine on a table
Do it then, Mr. Know-it-all :)
@@Cosplaybuddygiraffes Word up.
An excellent example: Chris Chibnall was a Doctor Who superfan for like his whole life.
P.S. Good riddance, Chibby.
@@Cosplaybuddygiraffes Preach. "I can make a better Pokemon game" = characters with no charisma, no themes or story, crushing difficulty like Dark Souls etc.
"Do you really think One Piece will look good on live action?"
No, and that's preciselly why I'm hyped, I know I'll just explode in laughter whenever luffy's real arm start stretching.
I don’t even think one piece is good in animation (as a story the animation obviously looks good I just find the story boring and it is way to long)
Facts like one piece is my favorite anime and is the best that I’ve seen for many reasons but Netflix is gonna fuck it up so bad it’s gonna be funny af 😂😂😂😂
@@steve6997 nah bro, op's animation was kinda shit up until Wano, but the manga and story are the best ever, Kingdom is the only other manga I read that comes close to being as good as One Piece. Oda's creative genius is on par with Tolkien, he just needed to get better in killing off characters.
@@steve6997 *rolls eyes*
Don’t. Watching even as a hate-watch still gets them views and that’s what they want.
To me, a big problem is that Hollywood keeps trying to adapt shonen series, which has its own aesthetic style of action and fight choreography that's almost impossible to recreate effectively IRL. If they tried to adapt something like a shojo series or something grounded in the real world, then that could probably work. But shonen series are much more popular than other genres of anime/manga, so they'll probably never do that and continue to bastardize these series instead.
Exactly this. Like, obviously live people will never be able to do Dragonball in real life, but if they did a live-action Citrus, who the hell would even know the difference?
YES. THIS. 110%
Especially some of the more gory horror anime would be a hit, like Elfen lied
Honestly most anime that’s not shonen would make a decent live action. Shonen is just too unrealistic to do fight scenes for
i mean idk. Before sam raimi’s spiderman came around no one believed in comic book adaptations either. They all said the same exact thing, that it was fated to look goofy, impossible to make it look cool and what not. And look at marvel now. I think people over exagerate the reason why the anime adaptations are bad. They arent bad because they are adaptations or because the source material is hard. Theyre bad because theyre badly shot, badly written and poorly acted and directed, with a weak creative vision and awful fx to boot. There hasnt been a single one with actual good cinematography so far
people also said videogames are impossible to adapt and netflix’s castlevania and arcame are pretty damn good. We just need competent people making the adaptations, that know and respect the source material and have actual good skills at making a series or movie
“If you guys ever see me get excited for an anime adaptation, that’s how you know I was killed and cloned by the government.”
It’s statements like this that keep me coming back to this channel.
Same lmao 😂
In other word, you cant change your taste.
The 90's Ninja Turtles might be the only cartoon adaptation to NOT be divisive or universally hated.... I remember seeing it a dozen times in theaters, and it even kinda holds up. SO rare.
it followed the comics a bit more than the show
Saturday morning afternoon! You do saber riders and the star sheriff's.
That doesn't count. TMNT did not originate in the tv show. Sure, the 80's show definitely had a large influence on all future adaptations, but the movie took a lot of its plots and moments from the original comics.
Speed Racer wasnt either
That's called just being a fun movie
The hilarious thing about the Death Note movie is that Death Note would have probably been among the easiest manga to adapt faithfully because there's nothing in it that couldn't be done in live action and the manga has an incredibly tight thriller plot laid out already. There's no real reason why you couldn't do the exact same story better in live action with a good director and cast.
So of course they had a bad cast (with one or two exceptions), a bad director and they didn't adapt it faithfully.
They also had a lot of jelly
It still would have been trash. Scenes like Lite eating chips... will only look stupid in live action.
I think the advantage of an adaptation is that you can clean up the ending as well
Death Note is also just not very good. It has a really solid beginning and very quickly starts falling apart surprisingly shortly into the L and Light back and forth. Luckily the concept and momentum gets it really far beyond that. Plot gliding if you will.
@@BergsArt Really? Thats the scene that will make you go “YOU SEE THIS SHIT? Fuck this movie men”😂😂😂
They can YEEET that part is not part of the plot or nothing
If they want they can make a good movie out of Death Note
What's hilarious, is the MCU trends towards 20-60% animated anyways, depending on the CG budget.
And people still complaining about a lot of CGI 😂. Stick to drama and stop watching comic superhero movies if wants to see practical 🤣
@@overhaul8416 mcu movies have no substance behind them just cgi trash. I wouldn’t care if the cgi looked good. It does sometimes, but most of the time it looks absolutely terrible and makes the fights have no weight.
@@himlolo what about thanos fighting in infinity war
@@majinlaw2383 was decent some of the times. The fight on titan was ok, but you can clearly see the cgi struggle at some points. The battle of Wakanda is straight up trash with how much cgi is on screen and Bruce banner in the hulk buster looks so bad.
@@himlolo i consider infinity war some of the best cgi of all time
so if it's bad what do you consider good cgi can you give me an example of good animation or cgi
I would like to contend that the Japanese live-action anime remakes are actually also ass about 90% of the time. Rurouni Kenshin was good, though a bit jumbled up from the original storyline. FMA sucked, AoT was incomprehensible and looked terrible, and Mob Psycho butchered the joke delivery on top of removing the unique artistic style that made the manga and anime distinct.
Fully agree, I’ll add that Bleach was fine but toned all of the characters personalities down so far as to be barely recognizable, and didn’t really justify its existence.
Hard agree. The only reason people believe JP live action adaptations are better is because they "look" more like the Anime they are adapting. Cosplay accurate, if you will. Some people who call those adaptations better have not even watched them. So they can't vouch their quality except for the costume designs and, dare I say, wigs.
Japanese Death Note was pretty good
I fucking love live action kenshin
Couldn’t agree more! Most Japanese live action movies are incredibly lazy and made on shoestring budgets with ‘actors’ who can’t act and are usually there because they’re models, singers or TV-personalities. Quick cash grabs in most cases.
Little story:
My Father and I have a close relationship, to the point where he is the sole reason I'm interested in both films and animation. He would take me and my brother to the cinema all the time or buy (pirated) movies to watch at home. The extremes we went to just to go to the cinema were impressive. As I grew older, I started looking into shows, movies and animations that I enjoyed. Being a teen, I realized my dad had still the mentality that animation is for kids despite watching animated movies with us, though it was probably because we were kids. This pissed me a bit because he introduced me to this media, but then spider-verse came out and I was loving it. I told him to watched but he dismissed it, then I told him to think about it as just another Spiderman movie (guess who introduced me to Spiderman). He eventually watched it and loved it, even telling me how much he liked it.
Feels good man.
I wish I could do that. I've been occasionally trying to get my Dad to watch Avatar for two years now. Even bought the blu-ray to prepare. The only reason I've removed the shrink-wrap so far was so I could see the label art on the discs. I'm trying to convince my nephew to watch it, and my mom might watch it with us (even though I've showed her the show already) and my Dad made a point of saying he would watch it for him, but not for me :|
I've been trying to get my dad to watch attack on titan with me. He says it's childish. A show about people eating monsters breaching the safety of the last humans is childish? Excuse me?? xD
Ironically, my parents love to watch Disney's animated musicals and a decent chunk of Pixar and Dreamworks films over and over, but they hate everything else.
We had the first act of SpiderVerse playing on cable, and they hated it because it was too slow in showing Spider-Man do things. Though it's probably a good thing they didn't watch Spidey get killed, or else they would reeeaallly hate it.
I was shocked though when they wanted to see Zootopia in theaters with me, and they loved it. They're that picky.
I always tell my parents, this cartoon is like a live action movie but animated😂
not ur dad being in denial lol
It’s a simple philosophy really:
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
^ Said it in seven words.
If all you can bring to a remake is new aesthetics don’t fucking touch it. That money and effort is best used on a new creative endeavor.
Yeah only improve on it, like how they gave dante style switching in dmc4.
well i have to disagree, sometimes exploring new styles is good. We dont want to become dogmatic or overly purist with media here.
That said, making a live action seems to be synonymous with playing it safe nowadays so yeah. If they’re gonna do it, might as well make it interesting at the very least
Hollywood's philosophy: If it makes money, milk it until it's bone dry
But couldn't you have said the same thing about Scarface, The Thing, Infernal Affairs, True Grit, etc? And yet all of them were remade into films that were at least close to if not exceeding the quality of the originals.
Yes, all of those were remakes of live action films. Remaking an animated film into live action, especially something as stylized as anime comes with a whole lot more challenges, but you never know. I used to think there was a lot in comic books that would have to be toned down to work in live action, and yet in recent years we've seen movies completely embrace the weirdness and zanniness of their source material.
When you showed the lion king I remembered the scene of Mufasas death, one of the most tragic scenes but in the live action, the zoom in and the not so convincing cgi made this originally sad scene a comedic mess that actually made me laugh in the theatre
The best and maybe only good part for me of the live action lion king was scar's song, it's much more menacing and makes you take the villains more seriously
I imagine all the other adults there watching for the sake of nostalgia either had the same reaction or were wondering why a person would laugh at a character’s death scene
@@idkwhattotype4704
Believe me, out of all the times I could’ve laughed at the movie whether intentional or not, I would not have wanted to laugh at that moment
@@pepekovallin I respect your opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree, to me the visual of the original constitute a large part of the enjoyment. I think that scene is the by far the worst part of the movie, I rate that scene 0/100 from the movie's 5/100
I think thats because in the original animated lion king the animals actually had readable expressions because the animals had anthropomorphized faces in the animation. In the new lion king, they are all unexpressive because they look like normal animals with normal animal faces
One of my favorite courses in college has been an online literature class I took as a Gen Ed. There was a whole section devoted to comics and how they’re overlooked as an effective medium. Same thing applies to animated movies, people would really do well to learn this.
That sounds like an awesome course
@@mrrp405 Oh it was amazing, the last two sections were movies and video games as narrative mediums, we literally had an assignment to play a game of our choosing.
What's the course called?
That’s honestly so true. Marcus has actually talked about that briefly in one of his videos, I just can’t remember which one. But he basically said that comics and graphic novels are a niche medium and that they have a particular fanbase because people would rather watch a movie than read a book. I’ve loved comics since 1st grade and I have a considerable collection right now; sometimes I can’t help but wonder why the comic book fanbase is still so small. You have all of these MCU fans who claim to be all-around Marvel fans, but they never read the comics. The comics, to me, are more enjoyable than most of the movies. Without the source material, most of these movies wouldn’t even exist. That’s fine if you don’t read them, but don’t pretend you’re some wide-scale fan when you only indulge in one medium. It’s like there missing out on a significant part of the films’ conception because they won’t read, it’s really sad
I honestly resonate so much with the speech he gave in the beginning about why it’s ridiculous to look down upon animation. Many people will miss out on touching stories, incredible performances, and incredible writing, just because it’s not live action. King fu panda on the surface is a animated movie about a panda who wants to learn kung fu. But that barely gives it justice. There are some shots that genuinely blow my mind. And some of these performances genuinely stay in my mind. Poe has a story of a fool who lost his parents, with PTSD, who was told by everyone in his journey that he would not succeed, let alone become the dragon warrior. He fails and nearly dies, but Poe overcomes these issues and even overcomes the ptsd of his mother leaving him in the forest helpless, while she gets murdered trying to protect her son. He then later comes face to face with the man responsible for it, and forgives him for everything he’s done, even when the villan cant forgive himself. And that’s just the first 2 movies. Movies like Kung Fu Panda, The incredibles, Into the spider verse, and even shows such as Invincible and the last air bender get thrown away constantly because they are “for kids” when that is just the surface. Respectfully fuck Citizen Kane, and Stan Wall-E
Hey, if someone is consistent and says he doesn't care about quality material, ok, they can say "I don't like animated stuff", but if you pride yourself on enjoying good entertainment, it is just silly to ignore films like Akira, Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, and I could go on. Not even talking about anime series.
The same people usually adore stuff like Frozen because there are two catchy tunes.
Why limit yourself? Anime offers something different, like all forms of entertainment. Is a netflix series different from a movie? Yes. Is a movie different from a musical? Is a musical different from a comic or manga? Yes. That is the point. And guess what? Every single form of entertainment has dogshit examples and stellar examples.
I think the sentiment of people missing out on something applies to all art forms, though animation does often get the worse of it. Another example I can think of is modern black and white films. People often associate films with a black and white filter as art house garbage, when in reality it’s just an aesthetic choice and often has less to do with style and more to do with budget constraints. I was watching a movie called Gueros, a coming of age road film shot in black and white and my roommate thought it was from the 1950s. It’s from 2014.
You’re so limited in live action. It’s just silly to try it.
I'd Stan Wall-E
Hell yeah!
I agree with everything you said. Animation needs to be respected more as an artistic medium. And corporations need to realize that it just won’t work. And if it does then you have to do ALOT to get it right.
Definitely, hell, I personally even like animation more so than live-action in general; if done well, of course.
...If only Cosmonaut would make a video about Arcane :(
@@MustardGuy161 I literally just finished arcane about an hour ago that show is beautiful.
@tom gu It's an opinion thing obviously. Some prefer live-action, maybe because, well... it's realistic, while others prefer animation for a plethora of reasons, like say, it's more emotional.
@@PR1ME98 Totally! The animation is arguably on par with Into the Spider-Verse, not to mention the characters. I'm surprised how deep many of the more important characters are, considering it only ran for 9 EPISODES!
My guess is that Netflix is trying to compete with Disney since Disney seems to have succeeded financially with almost all of their live action remakes. Despite the negative critical reception from fans, all the movies financially succeed, which is all I think Disney cares about when it comes to the remake. I think Marcus hit the nail on the head when he said most Disney fans will probably watch the films once and then never touch them again. The only Disney live action remake I enjoy is Christopher Robin, though I’m not sure I would classify it as a remake since it’s a completely original story. If Disney should remake anything, I’d argue they should just update the animation (which isn’t necessary in my opinion but it’s a crossroads) or remake some of their older live action films that maybe didn’t do to hot.
Black Lagoon is probably the easiest anime to adapt for a Western audience since it has (1) An exotic foreign setting in Roanpur, (2) A multicultural cast of characters of different ethnicities and skin colors, and (3) It's a Quentin Tarantino/John Woo-esque crime drama grounded in reality. It could certainly work as a series about a day in the life of the Lagoon Trading Company with an updated modern setting (as opposed to the 1990s of the original manga/anime) but the key thing is execution. Like with Cowboy Bebop, a Black Lagoon live-action adaptation could be botched in the hands of the wrong people and it definitely should be kept away from the prying, dirty hands of Netflix considering their track record with live-action anime adaptations, I'd say that Amazon Prime Video or Hulu/STAR could do this manga/anime justice with the right cast and crew. The biggest challenge for any live-action version of Black Lagoon is, aside from the format, the fact that the manga is not yet finished and doesn't have a definitive ending so the showrunners will have to come up with their own.
Similarly, Baccano! is also easy to adapt thanks to being set in Prohibition era America with a plot revolving around a mysterious elixir that ends up in New York amidst a gang war between Italian crime syndicates and gory dynamic action. The fact that it's a story that spans decades means that a series could do each season set in a different year. Of course like Black Lagoon, the wrong cast and crew could screw up a live-action version of Baccano! and Netflix should never be allowed to touch it period. Though the frenetic action of the anime might be hard to replicate outside of animation something that a live-action version must keep in mind.
And let's be honest, these two are the only anime I can name off the top of my head that could receive a good Western adaptation. Neither anime is particularly big enough for Western producers to buy the rights to make a movie or show compared to say Death Note or Attack on Titan simply because they're not shonen or shoujo.
But knowing Hollywood they would still try to think something up or make story have less shades of morality or black wash characters even though it makes no sense.
Black Lagoon would be a good candidate for that. But knowing Netflix and having seen what happened to the Death Note adaptation (it's definitely on the easier end for LA adaptation), I'm certain that they can still manage to produce an ultra failure in all imaginable ways.
How the hell would they do Roberta without making it stupid in live action.
@@DL-idk Well, flash forward to 2023 and we have Netflix's One Piece which thanks to the involvement of creator Eiichiro Oda proved to be good and got another season.
@@nathanmalik7056it ain’t good, stop glazing it because oda is involved lmao
for those wondering about his thoughts on One Piece live action
he said on his twitter that it wasn't as bad as he thought it'd be but still had a lot of the problems he thought it would have, and he probably won't make a video about it
he thought the performances were pretty good and some things were presented well but a lot of things weren't and he said he thinks it's only really worth watching if someone either won't read the manga or watch the anime or someone who might read the manga/watch the anime but wants to sample One Piece first
Thank you, I was wondering exactly this as I was watching the video
Like yeah the one piece live action wasn't awful, but I give it two seasons before the budget is shot and the cgi starts looking like doodoo.
"People latch onto 1 thing they disagree with and ignore everything else."
Sums up the internet perfectly.
I would agree with that statement. But I personally don’t like the video he made about jojo. There so many things wrong about that video that i’m not gonna even cover. But the statement overall is true.
Now hold on, he said way more than just that one point in this video
Like how content creators latch onto only the most negative comments they could find to fit their narrative?
Liking Jojo is pretty black and white, it's not for everybody, either you are fully captivated by the madness or it just isn't your thing.
I like his reviews, but his JoJo video felt a bit contradictory and weirdly forced as if he wanted to not like it and have his "unpopular opinion" shine.
@@bashmactig As a gigantic JoJo fan I agree with almost everything he says in that video. They’re very valid reasons to not like the series.
@@TheShanicpower I disagree with with that. There nothing wrong if you don’t like jojo. But the criticism he gave about jojo is just wrong if you even watch the series. calling fugo a “Calm and cool” guy isn’t right.
Marcus using Redline as an example of "it's great because it's animated" makes me so happy.
Hell yeah, fellow Redline enjoyer
I've never heard of it before, is it any good? It looks beautiful
@@wilsonjonah Yes.
Kinda BS if you think it well, if the plot is bad the whole thing falls apart, even if it has the best animation.
@@wilsonjonah it's one I frequently rewatch, just for the animation alone.
Just make an ORIGINAL series INSPIRED by an older property (anime, film, game), it’s not bad, wrong or hard to do so!
I agree! It's unfortunately all down to marketing. It's easier to advertise pre-existing properties.
Like blade runner
But... But brand. We need brand
Off the top of my head, that's basically the Matrix.
What about a parody
90's Luc Besson would've made some pretty interesting anime adaptations -- The Fifth Element seems pretty live action anime-ish
What I really don’t get it is why Netflix is now making an Avatar: Last Airbender live action remake;
Michael Dante DiMartino & Bryan Konietzko (the creators of Avatar) were initially on board with Netflix’s project (in early stages IIRC?), ultimately they both departed from live-action show stating “creative differences.”
Didn’t they get back together ? And I really like the casting.
Cashgrab that I won't watch
@@subnetplayer490 don't get your hopes up man haven't you learned your lesson?
Money.
The creators started their own project, so we're getting more animated Avatar. Phew
@@subnetplayer490 They didn't get back together, but the creators started avatar studios shortly after departing with netflix. There's actually a new animated movie in production right now. TheAvatarist made videos talking about all of the avatar news.
Every single time a live action adaptation is released, everyone hates it and most people don’t buy it.
_But then they make another one, which makes them _*_even less_*_ money, and they’re still like “but i bet we can really corner the market with the _*_NEXT_*_ 200 episode series we try to cram into a movie”_
They usually make money that's why
Because they do tend to make money. As much as fans of the original like to bitch about it people do still see these adaptations and many even enjoy.
Despite what's said in the video, these adaptations aren't for the fans they are for people who've never seen the original to begin with, which with anime tends to be alot of people.
@@matteckert130 exactly correct
@@SuperMurray2009 Anime adaptations by Hollywood are not
@@matteckert130 Not the Hollywood live action anime version.
I guess this is the reason why arcane, the league of legends series, is such a masterpiece - it’s not a live action adaptation.
Masterpiece. . .? c'mon now. it's fun, it's pretty cool.
MASTERPIECE it aint.
What are you talking about? It's just an animated show. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion.
@@iarladonlon2826 Kinda is. Riot was considering going for a live action. And as great the writing of Arcane is, anyone would agree that animation is one of the reason why Arcane succeeded this much.
Now that we have one piece live action, one of the most common arguments is that “it is making it more accessible to a bigger audience” and to me that just proves the point that animation is seen as a “lesser media”.
(sorry for my bad english)
Larger audiences dont really like animation, so they have to make a live action to introduce people to its universe and characters which is fine until you realize that NETFLIX HAVE BOTH AVATAR AND ONE PIECE IN THEIR CATALOGUE, ITS THERE, YOU CAN WATCH NOW THE BETTER VERSION AAAAAAAAA
One piece for me it’s the pacing that doesn’t make it more accessible, the live action has better pacing
ngl I'd watch a movie about Ratts Tyerell before watching anything else Skywalker related
Omfg I wanted to shoot myself when they needlessly brought him back in the Mandalorian, I genuinely liked that show until that point…
@@Ashleigh_Alexander you just got bad taste in what you dislike cause that scene was awesome
Yes honestly anything that has nick cage is honestly better
@@bookabletuna1132 fan service bs
@@Ashleigh_Alexander fake fan
"I'd make a movie about this guy." is maybe the biggest laugh anyone's gotten out of me in months.
wtf same lol.
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I rewatched that clip about 20 times dying every time
agreed
I don't know why Marcus thinks that would automatically make a bad movie. Dat guy could be the man of the people.
If i didn't know any better, i'd have thought the intent behind the Cowboy Bebop live action adaptation was to communicate why people should stop adapting anime into live action.
Never read the manga or watched the anime, but the Rurouni Kenshin live action movies (all 5) were time well spent. From purely an action choreography standpoint, they are amazing.
The Kenshin movies actually improve on the manga by adding more historical fiction stuff and cutting the shonen "guy with cannon hand" villains. They're the kind of story the creator wanted to tell but didn't have the skill to.
Same with the Erased live action - I enjoyed it a lot :)
@@robmarney Honestly I agree - Ruroken is easily in my top 3 favorite manga/anime but if I'm being honest with myself the live-action take those characters & plots but put them in a tighter, better written narrative. VERY good films easy recommendation
The kenshin movies are most awasome, maybe because how “grounded” the original anime and ovas Where
I like that guy that read that comment
Yeah, I wish he made his own channel though.
You've put into words that I've had trouble expressing. I have a friend who will literally not watch Avatar: the Last Airbender because it is animated. Despite all of her friends saying they love it and her agreeing that the story sounds amazing.
And it is maddening that people like this exist, because animation is one of THE BEST vehicles for artistic expression and storytelling. *sigh*
it is still their choice tho.
@Onion Dark Knight you're trolling clearly, it's not a good one, please get more subtle. Good try though, have a nice day!
You clearly haven't, if you're acting that snippy.
@Onion Dark Knight I read poetry as well! You can enjoy more than 1 artform. I enjoy dumb fun fantasy novels and thought provoking literature. I enjoy poetry that gives intricate, spiraling depictions of the very awe and terror we humans inherently feel towards the unknown, but I'll kick back with a comedy sometimes. And besides, animation can be just as intruiging, you just haven't found the right one!
HER LOSS!!
My father was watching this shit and when I recommended him to watch the original he said he wouldn't watch because the live action is "more mature"
My dad has the same Animations is for kids mentality. He get mad at me watching cartoons as a kid.
At least he'll buy me M rated games like Grand Theft Auto.
Personally, I don't think the reason that they keep making these live-action adaptations because they think they can capture a broader audience under the idea that animation is "just for kids," thus, live-action will garner more audience attention. Obviously, some people do stupidly think that animation is a "genre" and is designed for children and are obviously dumb. But I think the real reason they keep doing these adaptations is more about financial greed. You see the same trends will all of the other types of remakes being done (ghostbusters, It, The Lion King, etc.). Studios are just playing it super safe and they believe that if a show or movie is/was popular and recognizable, they can just remake it and have a more guaranteed shot of financial gain than investing in the risk of a completely new project.
I thought I was alone thinking this. Lol
I remember reading in this video essay something about how "the medium is the message". When you take a story out of the original medium it was written in you fundamentally change so many elements of that story. Going from anime to live action is the biggest leap one can make, and in order to make it work you have to change so much it kind of brings in to question why would you do it in the first place?
Very important quote from a media researcher called Watzlawick 😊
I disagree, they needed to make it an almost shot for shot remake for some of the key scenes and character plot points, that was part of what brought down the quality of it so astronomically. Not to mention actually hire an actor that's a martial artist and develop realistic and brutal fight scenes that reflect the nihilism of the Cowboy Bepop universe. Then on top of this, stop adding unnecessary character subplots or reveals that provide nothing to the story and make it needlessly convoluted. For example, why spoil who Julia is so early on within the story when we already don't know much about Spike? Part of the appeal is not knowing much about Spike in the first place but being drawn to him by how chilled out and friendly he is to people even though he's a bounty hunter. Now the adaptation has already revealed that she was his past lover and significantly set her up to be the villain for the next season. She should've been vague and only alluded to in past conversations with other people (as well as only shown in Spike's memories) and then towards the end of the show Spike's backstory is fully revealed and we see what she's actually like as a person. I also personally think the twist with her working for Vicious isn't inherently bad, but they could have made it work differently by having Vicious betray her and then she goes on the run after killing members of the Syndicate in order to break free. Then because Spike knows that she's worked with Vicious in the past, he is unsure about trusting her until the Syndicate kills her and she dies in his arms (just like in the anime), and then Spike goes on his famous killing spree to finally end Vicious once and for all. In short, it's the execution, not the medium, that is the problem with western anime adaptations.
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Doing a shot by shot remake of a cartoon raises the question of why not keeping as a cartoon then. Why even bother with a translation that wouldn't fully work anyway.
Gus Van Sant had a shot by shot remake of Psycho and nobody remembers that movie.
Books are beeing turned into movies all the time and it works quite often.
Here's hoping Arcane can make some waves to push animation more into accepted dramatic territory.
Fuck yeah Arcane is the shit!
Arcane is the best show I saw in years. (And I don't even know anything about LOL)
The adult animated shows are popular but the one for all ages are in trouble and you don't have to do dramatic or intense story to make a good animated content, like Hilda is collecting dust but many adult comedies being successful for some reason.
Wouldn't hold my breath.
@@thefirstone4864 I think it’s cause they’re a lot more easy to eat up compared to the serialized stuff.
Anyone here after the One Piece live action show came out and apparently people adore it?
Firstly, it's f-ing great, secondly, One Piece Fans are probably easy to satisfy, cause, even though OP just might be the greatest epos of modern time, it is about, and written for, friendly little goofballs.
Even Disney gave up on the elastic powers for Miss Marvel because they knew would look stupid... I really don't know what Netflix is thinking.
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Hey, it's always nice to see that two of your favorite creators enjoy each other's work. Thank you for caring about The Black Cauldron. Ironically, I'd love to see a live action version of that movie (well the books, but you know what I mean, ha ha).
seems a little unsanitary
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Remember, Scott Pilgrim is the ONLY “manga” adaptation for the west that works because the source material is a comic based in Canada, the film is in Canada, the creators of both were kinda creating them both at the same time, and the director KNOWS how to direct anime inspired scenes in live action. That is why it’s the only western adaptation that works. One Piece will be shit, you either gotta go balls deep into the writing and style of the source material, or don’t even touch it.
Live action anime adaption in Japan aren’t necessarily better
@@19.99USD Was just about to say that. Live actions sometimes, if not most of the time, fall flat. The live-action Attack on Titan and Fullmetal Alchemist films are just a couple of examples.
However, the Japanese live-action of Death Note and Rurouni Kenshin were pretty good. It’s more of a hit or miss.
@@19.99USD Facts.. live action FMA is.. just absolute CRINGE. But they've made the Kenshin live action movies and those are actually decent.
@@BonazaiGirl I haven't watched Death Note live-action, but boy I love the style in Rurouni Kenshin live-action
Alita
One thing I learned from writing for many mediums of media over the past decade, is that if you're adapting something, your most important job is not to keep the style, but the spirit, which is why I think a lot of local live actions are actually great, but western adaptations always fail to grasp.
Simply put at the 3:41 minute mark, the best point is made. Western audiences think animation is for kids and so therefore to make things edgier they make it live action. Yet for me I like both animation and Live action and I can appreciate Japan in terms of how they treat animated content, it's a medium for storytelling. It's not an entire genre all within itself. You can use animation for a slice of life story, you can use it for fantasy or science fiction, you can use it for a dramatic romance story. Animation is not for kids, it's only the western world that thinks that because nothing adult can be slightly colourful or it has to be an adult comedy for western audiences.
People! I think his major point of this criticism is that Japanese animation should be taken seriously enough to actually not need a live adaption, because most of them don't need to have one. The animation is enough for the story, the animation kinda makes the story, so making a live adaption don't do the story justice. There's a reason why some novels or mangas don't get animated, but rather get a live adaption, and then the rest get animated. Thennnn, if you want to make it, do it right. There's a reason people hated Mulan's live adaption, and people kinda of enjoyed Alita battle angel.
Can we just admit that the “Speed Racer” adaptation was the only one loyal to the source? That movie was a masterpiece.
Effing amazing.
I think least bad adaptation would be a better description.
God I fucking love that movie. Am I the only one that had the game on Nintendo wii? That shit was fun
Yeah speed racer was that work that final race gives me goosebumps to this day.
And Alita: Battle Angel was also pretty solid, IMO.
Coming back after seeing the positive ONE PIECE reviews
With the Alita point - I think movies like that would be great. If we got more movies like Spielberg's Tin-Tin, or even the recent Lupin the Third movie, I would be WAY more open to these types of films - as they are still animated and keep that charm in tact. Speed Racer a little less so. The Lion King remake did away with the animated art style and overexaggerated movements but kept the CG - and was worse off for it. High budget 3D animated adaptations of anime or manga could be great if the studios didn't have a hard on for "live action" being the only right way to make films for adults.
I know scott pilgrim isn't a anime or cartoon, but the live adaptation of it was amazing. There is a way to make the real adaptation, feel as good as the source material. You just gotta push for it.
yeah, it was a comic book hexology
It was a western comic that was already a parody in and of itself, so its easier. I'm not saying that the team didn't deserve props for making a good adaptation, because they certainly do deserve it, but western comics are inherently easier to make live adaptations of than Japanese or East Asian comics, especially for a western production team.
Edgar Wright’s visual comedy totally made it worth it, honestly I can’t see other directors work other than him
Scott pilgrim was hard to watch without a stomach ache
You are basically talking about an adaptation of a BOOK at that point, which is a different can of worms, and not what Cosmonaut was talking about.
I hated what they did to Ed as much as anyone else, but keep in mind that that’s a literal child who it’s their first acting credit and loves the original and was really happy to be a part of the show they loved. Don’t blame the actor, blame the directors and the show runners for trying to make them EXACTLY like the original when that doesn’t translate over to live action very well. Yea it was really cringey but like cmon…it’s a kid. Like whine and complain about the show all you want, I definitely hated it, but like don’t be hatin on a kid cause they were TOLD to act that way. I’m sure they read all the stuff people are saying about their performance online which has gotta suck.
They set that kid up for failure tbh
@@nobodycares743 genuinely - I don't understand how the production team looked at that Ed scene and thought "yeah let's put this on the internet, a place that's famously nice to children". That obviously doesn't excuse the people trying to bully a child over a tv show but like, wtf guys
Why would we blame the kid? he was told to do this shit and to act super cringy and if that's what they were going for he is a great actor because he nailed it perfectly.
Btw this isn’t me ranting at him cause he didn’t say that, I’m just talking to like the entire fanbase who’ve spent the last week harassing a child online
@@ricniks4619 A lot of actors get blamed for bad performances whether it's their fault or not. Add on the fact that the actor is non-binary, a ton of shitty right wing culture warriors are most likely going to use them as a punching bag.
They really made Jet Black more like Spike's annoying overbearing dad instead of concerned friend who doesn't want to see him give up on himself. I HATED the live action.
You know what the best thing to come out of this series was? My sister in law was talking about how great she thought it and I got so irritated. I showed her the opening from the film that the live action series massacres and then I realized something: I bulldoze people when they take something at face value. It's not a good trait, but Cowboy Bebop had driven me to rock bottom. I have this series to thank for helping me grow as a person.
I don't think these will ever work until we start really having the conversation of "what does live action do better than animation?" As you've said so many people just assume live action is more artistically valid, but a decent live action adaptation should bring something to the material that only the charge of format can bring
Yeah like take the MCU for example
@@selfimprovement5873 The MCU would be better if animated and was told in tv shows and movies. Cost less and you can do more.
@@CoolMyron Proof: The DCAU
@@selfimprovement5873 MCU movies are like half CGI anyways. it being live action just limits the type of scenes they can do.
I can't think of an answer to that, other than "it makes studios more money because they can use celebrities' faces". I don't know that there's anything about the cinematic experience that can only be provided by living humans better than animation or CGI.
I said this from the very beginning, and some people called me crazy, but here we are, so, I'll say it it again. To the people who worked on the live-action Cowboy Bebop:
_You're Gonna Carry That Weight..._
And as much fun as it would be to watch the middle-school-fanfic version that's out there, all newcomers are better off watching the anime. Why watch silver and try to convince everyone it's gold when gold is literally right there for you? Because it's older? Because it's animated? Because it's "longer"?
Amen my mustachioed brother, Amen. That being said you wanna watch the Netflix Death Note with me?...... 🤣
Facts!
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I haven’t watched cowboy bebop but I know live action anime’s suck ass I watched death notes for the first times a while ago and fell in love with that show one of my favourite anime’s but then I found of the lib action movie came out and I still enjoy the show a lot but the live action movie is ass it’s so bad and the story makes no sense and they break the rules of the death note they made it’s just dumb that’s why when I eventually watch cowboy bebop I’m gonna only watch the anime also they screwed up a live action Attack on Titan too and how is that Possible how do you make killing giant regenerating people not cool
I feel like it’s just hard sometimes to on board people to animated stuff. I know plenty of people who don’t like animated so in order to convince them to try the animated I have them watch a live action. Since they have no point of reference they enjoy it and I transition them to watch it
"Ah, I love One Piece! If only it was live action..." -No one ever
Can't wait to see what he say about the one piece live action now that it out
I’ll probably do a quickie and say it was better than he thought. That’s it don’t get your hopes up
He tweeted about it and said it isn’t bad but still has the problems he pointed out in this video, he probably won’t do a quickie tho
The worst part about the Cowboy Bebop Live-Action is the news around it started off promising. Them hiring the original team to write the script, and then Netflix got involved completely, and it went completely tits-up. I knew it was going to be bad when the original writers left because of "creative differences with netflix" aka Netflix wanted more control
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Geez, I didn't know about that. If you have creative differences with the *original writers* , high chance what's being made is bad.
And I feel with the one piece live action they’ll “follow” odas suggestions and help but at the end they will do the exact same thing “Fuck what the creator said we doing it our way” and it’s gonna be garbage and idk why it’s so hard to follow what the creators say like tf he created the thing 😂😂😂
well going off that, i think its safe to assume how the avatar series will be
The best chance of any adaption ever being good is to do what Edgar Wright and Scott Pilgrim did. But none of these adaptions ever have the balls, the finesse or the talent to do so.
Couldn’t agree more
That’s entirely different though. Graphic novels/comic books are obviously static so there’s no precedent for the motion we expect when it’s on the big screen in contrast to animation-to-live action adaptations where we already know and like what the motion is supposed to look like. Doing cool shit with human anatomy that you can’t do irl is kind of the whole point. Bottomline, there’s more leeway for the amount of absurd movement we accept for comic to live action. Also Edgar Wright’s style isn’t something that can be so easily emulated so easily
Literally what Bebop is doing xD
I will even throw Wes Anderson in there but yea thats about it
@@blackopspro6455 Exactly
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Marcus No way Home??
Worst part imo are the attempts to replicate anime character manerisms. Everyone knows real people don't look, sound nor act like anime characters but they still go for it anyways.
I swear movie Ed is more physically painful to watch than a socially inept 13 y/o cosplayer at their first con
So much about anime is exagerated, that's the style. The fact that movie studios actually think you can try to replicate that into a completely medium shows how brain dead these adaptations are. It'd be like trying to adapt the constant inner monologues from books as movie characters talking to each themselves. No one acts like that, it breaks all immersion I have when it happens.
lol yeah ed in live action was too much.
@@titan8995 Exact same here. And is why I don’t watch a lot of anime anymore
@@titan8995 personally i like over the top sometimes
Live action ed made me physically wince
This video is already a classic and the ad hasn’t even ended
Wow, very original.
@@importjunkie91 Wow, very original
@@microwaved_fork wow very original
@@joshevans3421 Wow, very original.
@@whateva_215 Wow, very original
No way home waiting room...
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Well then… this aged pretty badly
I actually think this part has aged perfectly just as he described it. Netflix did so much in marketing to make you love the actors before it even came out. They put so much into interviews and the way they were marketed at Anime Expo was crazy. I have seen people stand in line at these expos not knowing what the line was for. The ants marching mentality is crazy there and they knew they had to capitalize on that moment, Netflix made a smart move to let Oda be part of it in order to satisfy the fans and get a good backing on it right before it was released. The rest of the video explaining the art of OP is spot on! The way characters faces are exaggerated and the pastel looking colors are what makes the anime come to life and so loved. I didnt get the same feeling from the LA and realized its because animation as a medium has many factors that LA doesnt have that help make that world believable to the point where you can have a character whos hair is a gun and it builds on the world.
“if you’re adapting an anime into live action you’re already disrespecting the source material” is unironically the most correct take about this whole shebang
Westerner dont have a shame.
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“You get a ton of Disney adults saying, “OOOOHHH THIS IS MY CHILDHOOD ITS PERFECT!” And then they’ll never fucking watch it again”
You listed one of the exact reason why I am so fed up with people blindly getting excited for every god damn Disney Remake out there! Thank you!!
Hold up hold up.
People were excited for Disney remakes? I always just assumed everyone saw through their BS from the beginning.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 Initially people did not see through the BS. Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King all averaged $1 Billion+ each worldwide. The masses were eating it up.
Coincidentally, The Lion King 1994 is the highest grossing 2D animated film and The Lion King 2019 is the highest grossing 3D animated film.
BUT it does seem that people are starting to wake up. If the responses to Mulan and Cruella are any indicators...the masses are not blindly lapping it up the way they used to. Same goes for Marvel.
Fast and Furious freaking NINE and No Time To Die, a terrible Bond finale....both cleared $700M worldwide the same year that films like Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Eternals all struggle to hit or pass $400M
@@thefilmwatcher1302 Man.... I wish dude....I freaking wish!
What's even the point of these remakes? I rather watch the original animated films again.
@@PlahaKumar People go “Dude, Pride Rock!” and give Disney more money because nostalgia
Glad to see Redline clips being used in your videos. Kinda felt like nobody remembered it.
I'm just waiting to get a notification for: Spider-Man: No Way Home - Cosmonaut Quickie
I hope it’s more than a quickie
My opinion:
If an adaptation gets too far from the source material and attemps to do something different (Death Note), you have to be an amazing writer to make it work, wich 99% is not the case.
When you make a straight-up copy of the source material (Ghost in The Shell), it will look silly and it will look like a fanfilm, because there are certain things that can't be adapted probably, like costumes or certain scenes.
Edit: I just realized he said exactly that in the video, sry for the useless comment 😂😂
Laughs in avatar
I don't think it's quite that hard to make a loose adaptation, or at least not that much harder than making movies or tv shows already is. But you need to really buy into it and not half ass it, which studios are afraid to do.
Most Marvel movies have only the most tenuous link to the arcs they're adapting, and have found a lot of success doing that
@@EnanoPancracio I think Marvel makes good adaptations because you see the essence of the character and a lot of respect for the original material, while also writing a new story for a new audience. It's not a totally different stuff that shits on the source and it's not a poor attempt to copy what's good.
@@clubedanarrativa5603 I don't disagree, but that's kinda my point, all the successful comic book live action movies take the fundamental things that make the characters beloved, and tell stories "inspired" but not constrained by the source material, because like Marcus said, you're not gonna beat the source material at the things it was designed to do that live action wasn't.
Yo do risk going too far and alienating the original fans, but it's really the only way to go.
To be fair, I think the problem is trying to adapt SHONEN anime to a live action western movie is always ALWAYS going to be a bad idea. The animation is absolutely 100% key in how Shonen series works. Now, if they tried to adapt a Shojo anime (with the exception of maybe something more action and/or fantasy based like Yona of the Dawn, Queen's Quality, CardCaptor Sakura, Fruits Basket, etc), I don't think it'd turn out that bad. Something like Orange would be perfect for a western adaptation because while the manga is gorgeous, it's relatively grounded and animation isn't needed since it's a character-driven emotional story first and foremost. But Shojo doesn't sell in the US like Shonen does (The fact that Viz HIDES it's Shojo Beat line on it's own website is pretty telling), so I dont see it happening anytime soon if ever. Not that i'm saying I would WANT a live action adaptation of Shojo series, but if they had to go one way, that would be the best bet.
EDIT: I am using "Shonen" and "Shojo" in the broadest of terms. Obviously not all action anime are Shonen and not all emotionally driven stories are Shojo.
Trying to do it with almost any anime is a bad idea it isn't just shonen. Have you watched the death note Netflix adaptation? Trying to take something that is expressive through animation will never transfer well into real life adaptation because it's missing the spark.
@@FlyXcur Death Note is literally a Shonen, bruv.
@@TeeJayLars the genre of death note is not shonen.
Bebop is not shonen, it's clearly a seinen
@@FlyXcur Yes, it won't work with something action and/or fantasy like Death Note as I stated in my post.
That The Thief and The Cobbler scene you used was always so cool. Honestly they movie is incredible in so many ways.
I tried to push through the live action Deathnote and couldn’t do it. I have zero interest in seeing my precious Cowboy Bebop get butchered too 😭
The only Japanese live action I’ve seen is Erased and that was absolutely beautiful
As someone who watched the anime, I really enjoyed Speed Racer. I think why that succeed is because it really created its own unique style that hadn’t been done before and it fit the tone of the movie while being faithful to the original show.
God I hope he does a picture show on why the speed racer movie fucks, it’s so hammy and bright and terrible and I love it so much
I love Speed Racer.
You know what watching it I never found myself hating it at all
I also loved Speed Racer
@@roseolivas08 yeah Speed Racer was the shit
Even though Oda is apparently heavily involved, I don’t think it’s possible to make a One Piece live action compelling, simply for it not being animated. Imagine how odd the CGI will look for Luffy stretching. No Three Sword style for Zoro. Logia type DF eaters? I could go on and on why OP just won’t work in live action.
Fishmen?
And yeah, I am worried about the CGI. I haven't seen to many netflix shows with great CGI, and I get it, it is expensive. That's why movies like Transformers and Avengers cost that much.
@@NM-ev7pu Yep, and thats why they are movies too. Imagine how much it would cost to have an avengers level of cgi for a show
@@NM-ev7pu and from what I’ve read, they won’t be shortchanging them when it comes to $$$. I read it has a $10M per episode budget. So maybe the CGI will be great, who knows. But when your main character is a rubber man who can not only stretch himself, but inflate himself, I find it to be highly unlikely that CGI will look acceptable enough for the fan base to not revolt.
I sadly have to agree. One Piece is unfilmable. There are so many elements that would not translate well into live action.
@@jal7852 I will support it solely because of Oda being involved as much as he is rumored to be. Apparently it’s been an idea for years and they finally went through with it, so MAYBE that’s a good sign. But either way, it’s going to be tough to film.
I think one of the best live action adaptation is Rurouni Kenshin or Samurai X and it is because the time it took place is in real life Japan in the old days. Some character's costume still look costumey but the action and performance is soooo good
Alita is the closest to a "decent" live action anime adaptation I've ever seen, and it was just "watchable". GitS had the entire look down 100%... and screwed the pooch completely on every single thing else. The list goes on and will unfortunately continue to go on it seems. I've yet to see any Japanese live action adaptation of an anime I'd call "good" yet either. Live action anime _and_ video game adaptations are the absolutely horrendous result of complete creative bankruptcy, and audiences should start punishing studios for creating them.
6:26 a great point here is that Spike's fighting in the OG Cowboy Bebop is fluid is naturally because it is *NOT fluid* - in animation often things are animated at 12fps, or even less, and that can be taken advantage of to make snappy, sharp motions that convey movement so well in animated mediums.
Capturing that with 24fps or higher is neigh impossible in the live-action without some other form of choreography, cutting, or filming and they definitely did none of that ...
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake Even if he did workout beforehand, by John Cho's own admission he's not an athletic performer and never thought of himself that way, and a bit of training in preparation for the part isn't going to make up for not casting someone younger and more qualified.
I highly recommend Edge of tomorrow or Live Die Repeat. Whatever it’s called rn. It’s a rare manga to western live action adaptation and it’s solid. The source material is short (2 manga volumes). And the manga is actually an adaptation of a novel. Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt are really good in it. I’d love to hear your opinion on that movie.
What is the name of the manga? I loved that movie but didnt know that it was adapted from something
@@md.tamzidislam6580 All You Need Is Kill was the original title.
That works specifically because they only took the base ideas of the manga, and did something completely different with it. It wasnt a recreation.
@@FunkStyles An adaptation is an adaptation. It took the important parts of the story and made it work for film as anime adaptations should.
What? It’s a movie based on a manga that’s based on a book? Huh, didn’t know that.
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Gotta say, you pointing out the underlying attitudes and factors behind most anime adaptions make complete sense.
Probably the only movie that properly utilized Japanese source material was Edge of Tomorrow (Live, Die, Repeat). I was surprised when I found out that the movie was based off of a light novel (that was them adapted into a manga).
I think the Wachowskis' Speed Racer is probably the only live-action Anime adaptation that actually worked, such a shame it was a box office failure.
I think that’s mostly because it feels animated! (Computer animated, but a similar enough medium to traditional)
I like that movie.
Rouroni Kenshin.
Does edge of tomorrow count as an anime adaptation?
@@boshwa20 A manga adaptation, so kind of but not really(?) I'd say that's more like adapting a novel
Speed Racer isn’t even a guilty pleasure for me. I think it’s just straight-up good and fun. It understands the goofiness and zaniness of the original, the action is brilliant, and the characters are perfectly one-note, just as they were before.
It's also debatable that the live action movie is more animated then the original show and I'm not just talking in frames
@@joshuabrien2970 lol
Speed racer is fundamentally a terrible movie on most aspects of filmmaking however you are entitled to your own opinion
It's not good. It's got a *lot* of narrative, structural, tonal, and editing problems that drag it down. I think there's a good story stuck inside the Speed Racer film, and some good scenes (some of which get ruined by editing choices, e.g. Royalton's monologue getting tonally-destroyed by the green screen slapstick cutaways), and overall the good parts are dragged down by the problems surrounding them. With some significant cuts and adjustments, it could be a lot better, because the film has a really strong emotional core and powerful, relatable themes that it mostly handles well (grief, family, regrets, etc) but that get undercut so often. If it stripped away the things that undermine or interrupt those elements, and allowed its story to be more consistent with its emotional maturity, I think the result would be a more cohesive, more enjoyable film. I think Speed Racer's a good example of a story that could be improved primarily by removing some of its elements, rather than adding to or replacing any of them.
its so heavily stylized and it overuses so much cgi it jusk kinda works in a weirdly good way. its always been one of my favorites.
waiting for Spider-Man cosmonaut quickie
As a European whose had to just sit back and watch most of the media we made get absolutely butchered in American adaptations I think I can safely guess that bad live action adaptations are going to continue for quite a long time.
I think these adaptations will always have two possible outcomes: Either they're decent enough and help increase the original's popularity, or they're horrible and they're just forgotten.
In other words, no series will lose popularity because of a bad adaptation, otherwise no one would see "The Last Airbender" and "Dragon Ball"
Wasn't Airbender already finished when that silly movie was released?
I think the problem with those live action crap is that many people watch it, rightfully say that it is shit and come to the conclusion that the original must be average at best.
Nah a lot of people saw the avatar movie and decided not to watch the show bc of it
Anime and animation in general is such a special medium that simply converting it to a live action series makes it bingi an awkward mess that clearly shows how offputting the adaptation is.
"I just hate all those cartoon things because they're all just like the Simpsons or that South Park show" - my mother in law when I asked why she hates Coco (not an anime I know, but certainly sticks the landing on Marcus's first point)
Excuse me wtf
I understand not watching adult animation because they are essentially just those two shows but worse, but Coco is so clearly different? A different style, a movie, made by Pixar. They are completely different
@@helloill672 Spent the last 4 years of trying to convince her of that very fact but she's so strangely set in her ways it's like she won't even flirt with the idea. We've watched animated things that are like the best of the best and she'll say, I mean it was ok, all while being on her phone the whole time
I was WAITING for you to get to the blackmail line. 🤣
It made me kinda happy to finally hear Marcus talk just a little bit about One Piece. Hope one day he talks more about it
same
same
Yes please do Marcus
If he has anything bad to say about One Piece, I'm throwing hands
@@jackroberts2704 hell yeah
If they couldn't even make a grounded anime like Cowboy Bebop work in live action, I have no idea why some people think that One Piece could work in live action (without watering down the source material to the point where it's not even One Piece anymore).
Those 2 minutes of Ed is some of the cringiest material of I've had the displeasure of watching. Just imagining the live action Luffy makes me want to vomit.
Luffy already makes me vomit tbh. But I agree there is no good way to adapt one piece into live action at all.
Funny thing is how accurate Ed actually was. Which just shows how cringe anime can be, but also how perfect the animated medium is for that. There's a reason why we can accept characters like Ed, and that's because they're animated.
@@War624 Oh yeah, completely agree. The actor did a successful portrayal of a real life Ed, it's just that Ed unfortunately doesn't translate well into live action. Some things just only work in certain mediums.
I feel bad for the actor, they've probably gotten a lot of hate already for something that wasn't their fault. Kid was just doing their job.
@@War624 And Marvel proves just how cringe Hollywood films can be. What is the point in trying to make a distinction with anime? Anything from any medium can be "cringe."
@@asianbeowulf4276 Because this is a video about anime adaptations. Why tf wouldn't I bring up that anime can be cringe in an anime related video. Are you high, or just dumb?
That Jet Set Radio background music in the beginning tho; nice 👌🏽
It was always gonna be bad, but at the very least Netflix could've made it look visually interesting (have it be high contrast dark shadows against bright neon lights, like the gritty Noir-ish story that the animated series was.)
Visually I wanted Bladerunner 2049, but we got the direction of Battlefield Earth & the lighting of Ghostbusters (2016)
I feel like they need to stop remaking anime just to appeal to western audiences or people who don't want to give animation a chance
True. Why pay people to appear on screen when you can pay animators nothing?
This video is probably the best argument against live action adaptations as a whole. It's so well formatted instead of the usual "it bad" a lot of people resort to. Really good shit.
8:30 This is the worst thing to have ever been said by anyone for anything ever
5:17 You said Nobody likes it, and then a UA-cam ad pops up and it says “Do you like it?”
Bruh these corporate algos
The good live action adaptions are rarely talked about, but the bad ones are always front and center. It's a shame there quite a few amazing adaptions. Rurouni Kenshin is a good example of this
Well he's talking about western live adaptations.
Got any good western live adaptations?
Rurouni Kenshin was good too just the 2nd movie final fight scene is a lil awkward and weird for me.
Inuyashiki is another good live adaptation I think but it Japanese made.
@@joshval6745 I would say Detective Pikachu, Alita and Sonic are good.
@@joshval6745 Edge of Tomorrow and Oldboy
It’s because these bad ones are pulled from a more popular source. Globally, Death Note, Cowboy Bebop and DragonBall is far more popular than Rurouni Kenshin and Alita. There’s less attention when adapting them. Similar to how great manga adaptations like Edge of Tomorrow and Oldboy, people didn’t even know it’s actually an adaptation.
@@langletprolet8378 Korean Oldboy is better
I’m not a big fan of anime but the original Cowboy Bebop is one of the few that I enjoy and it’s not without its own flaws.
I think the issue is that the people making the adaption are trying to appease fans, attract new people, and adapt it accurately enough to call it an adaptation. I thought the new cowboy bebop was “okay” but I have a fairly large list of things they could have done better. In fact, I agree with a lot of the points being made here.
I also wish they would have emphasized Spikes martial arts ability more. Like a long one-shot similar to daredevil of spike beating the shit out of people.
Yeah I think people go overboard and think they have to love or hate it when you can simply like or dislike certain aspects of it.
The need to make everything as photorealistic as possible never made sense to me it’s like fighting an uphill battle and if you actually achieve the photorealism you are aiming for, it’s like who cares?!
I was just sitting here the whole time thinking, what about the speed racer movie. So when you actually mentioned it I was very pleased :)
Man the Rurouni Kenshin (Samurai X) live adaptation is hands down one of the best adapted series to hit the theatres, the cinematography and action does the series so much justice. Please for anyone that wants to see how to do a live-action anime adaptation correctly please go and watch that instead.
I totally agree! Alice in borderland is a great adaptation as well... But of course they are not western adaptation.
The RuroKen movies are so good. It's actually shocking. The actor they got to play Kenshin is an absolute badass. A pretty boy badass, but a badass nonetheless.
Yup they manage to make kenshin style pf fighting from anime more realistic and yet believable for a human
After the final movie
Rurouni kenshin live action have the best pentalogy
Parasyte, Inuyashiki, Death Note (2006) and Blade of the Immortal were all pretty on point as well. Of course none of them were American 😆
I haven't seen it so can't comment on it, but instinctively I'd say it's because Rorouni Kenshin is a rather grounded period drama story, or at least is close enough to that genre that translating it to live action isn't too much of a hassle. It's an anime that, in my memory, didn't rely too much on unique animation strengths in favour of just rock-solid cinematic story telling. It's a lot harder with Bebop when there's so much relying on physically impossible fluidity for the action scenes.
Speaking of adaptations
Arcane is really good! Can't wait to see what you feel about it, criticism or praise!
Does arcane even count as an adaptation?
@@poolgoldworldwild2163 it's a video game adaptation.
and its animated ( not live-action which would've been horrible if they did)
@@bryancordeiro410 yeah like Castlevania (good example) and sonic (average example)
We dont want another assassin's creed
They've finally figured out how to make good video game adaptations. Only took, what, 30 years?
Spider-Man. Now
I went latest comments on latest video just for this comment
@@Thedoctorr5 same lol
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