Well you see the key word there is “think.” Think about what Batman should and shouldn’t do, with proper knowledge to make the decision. Which is something that Zack Snyder severely lacks.
Come on man, you just needed to look at the cast and the villain poster with the cheetah lady who had a writing on her forehead like that weird joker. Gosh. That's enough to see that it was gonna be a failure
It's funny because that scene in kill bill saying "Clark Kent is the mask" is actually a more accurate description of Batman. Because to him the Batman persona is his true self while he considers the"billionaire playboy philanthropist Bruce Wayne" persona to be the mask
Remember when Martian Manhunter went to Superman's house for Christmas cuz he has no family and the Kents had to cover Supes' presents in lead so he couldn't peek thru the paper? It was so sweet.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 I know, dude, it was so friggin wholesome. I think we all need to see those kinds of things to take the cynical edge off once in a while
21:11 Damn. Marcus predicted 5 years ago that: 1. They'd fuck up the Wonder Woman Sequel 2. They'd cancel Batgirl 3. They'd reboot the entire DCEU through a flashpoint-ish movie
Yea everyone knew they would reboot everything through flash point. that was always their backup plan since they introduced the multiverse. The MCU also has to do this as well except they already had their multiverse introduction so now it is blatantly forced.
Snyders problem is that he thinks that if a story has to be "gritty" it means ALL characters have to act like that and everything has to be "super dark" its a childs view of what gritty storytelling is, where you just have people looking sad and have everything be grey and drab. Zach Snyder might be one of the most shallow directors out there.
@@Zer0nite Well that logic also applies to people that barely understand the character and think he is "dull" by not having watched him in anything good as Cosmonaut mentioned.
@@Zer0nite Nope I mean in anything that is actually good whether it is reading a well written comic book like All Star Superman, Superman For All Seasons, For the Man Who Has Everything and Superman Earth One Series. Or in good shows like the Justice League cartoon (which Cosmonaut just showed), his animated series like Batman TAS, Smallville (mainly the first four seasons) and the recent Superman and Lois show which includes good modern day material.
One great line I heard from Endless Jess about Superman: "He's Super... but more importantly he's a man." Superman's humanity is his defining characteristic. It's what makes him a great character.
@@wsawbi6402 superman feels not real but to capture him perfectly we should capture the Super and the man first The Family and Friends the Environment The people and then the World. imagine some kids called out to him while running after him and he lands went over, he hit them with a high five, cool handshake or a fist pump while the kids took selfies and touched his suit and cape and as he is about to leave, he says something like alright stay back as he levitates above the ground and he says stay in school, be good and also do not play in the street as he just flies away as the kids look into the sky with amazement. Superman feels distant and his city does not correspond to his action he is not criticized for his big battles. We never see him late we do not feel relatable because superman does not superhero at his level he can stop a robbery say in 3 minutes and immediately, he can go across the world to deliver water to lost Nomads in the desert, help a farmer load his goods in Italy and we saw him extinguish a fire in Japan then come home take a shower call someone and say something like he was out on a run or at the gym. We want to see him overwhelmed like Spiderman. He should be an inspiring character if we see him fight to the limit today, we then see him help a cat from a tree on his way home with blood and torn costume. he is an inspiring character people try to narrow him down that is what kills him he could do something like free people on a burning oil tanker then as Clark help a blind person cross the street. We should see him watch football games with his buddies then go save people come back and continue hanging out like a normal person. Have him struggle with the Man part not the super part he grew up in a healthy home but feels like if people knew he was Clark his parents would have to be relocated to a safe place. His childhood home turned into a museum. As powerful as superman is he should be a UN issue. They should be debates whether to restrict him or let him roam free. his Nationality should be questioned since he can just cross borders without being stopped, we want to see Politics over Him and Countries saying they will retaliate and start a war if superman conducts his business in their territory. They should be consequences for his actions. His appearance should change the landscape of human power. We should see scientists with radical ideas to make superhumans become common and funded all over the world. vigilantes, aliens, supernatural events all start because of him. The consequence for his existence should be that he is a beacon for power, villains and powerful entities should flock to him.
13:25: It's embarassing and sad that those people literally understand nothing. They're so freaking sure of themselves, yet they know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about. Wow.
It started in the original Super Friends show from like the 70s where aquaman literally did nothing the entire show like its not an exaggeration he literally didn't do anything
As I understand, Aquaman only has minor hydrokenisis whilst using his trident. Thus, his ability to commune with sea animals is nearly useless when on land.
I hope it's actually good. the problem for me is that I can't bring myself to watch it bc Twifleck. That's right, I can't even bring myself to put a 'Bat' or a 'Man' into that moniker. All I can see/hear as a result of the casting choice is WB doubling down on the terrible choice that was Ben Affleck by adding a bit of daywalker glitter to it. I got really excited when I heard it was going to be a detective movie, and then the casting was announced and I just couldn't bring myself to care anymore. And then I saw the penguin casting. And then I saw that the Riddler was a bdsm cliche. Gosh I really wanted to be able to watch and enjoy the Batman after Affleck's punk ass finally stepped aside to allow the role to move forward. They just went in the exact opposite direction, and I just couldn't even do it. Anyway I really do hope it was good and that ppl enjoyed it - I wish I could too. Life long Batman fan here (mid-40's) and I just can't even try and it totally sucks.
@@greasycheese9050 well it was Tim Drake. And no, while Damian sucks, he doesn’t deserve child abuse. Batman hasn’t ever hit Damian tho, he makes a point to only treat his adopted family like crap, not his biological, even if his biological does the same thing as his adopted. It’s rather stupid, I hate recent Batman comics, and Damian shouldn’t even exist, he completely ruins one of the themes of Batman (tho so does Batwoman) and he’s written like fanfic.
I personally don't know how people think WW is a good movie, Ares as a villain and a God doesn't come as close as a menace as Zod in MoS, he looked like a clown with a horrible CGI fanmade costome, I'm being hoenst and neutral but Gal Gadot can't act, she's a model before and actress I remember when she broke out of the ground and began to scream cry?(don't remember) it felt fake as well as non-emotional alongside horrible CGI and I just couldn't help but laugh. Let's not forget that WW is a warrior she's supposed to be built with muscles and mass with a great figure, she isn't supposed to look like a stick next to Batman and Superman in BvS.
After The Batman and James Gunn writing a Superman story and handling DC in general, there is still hope that we will get good representation in movies.
@@colingreen5553 Yeah. I would’ve loved if he still played him but at the same time, I understand why they had to replace him and David Corenswet seems like a good choice
I was one of those dumb kids who thought Spider-Man's webs came from within his wrists, and when Amazing Spider-Man came out, I was like "oh cool, they're putting a tech-y twist on it"
I was the complete opposite. I watched the Sam raimi trilogy and thought I was the wrong person then I remembered I've been watching spiderman since I was 3.
12:20 - one of the most amazing things is how he gets Superman/Kent and Bruce/Batman *entirely backwards* from how those two superheroes interact with their own identities as Bruce slowly slips into *being* the Batman, while Clark is very grounded as himself first.
@@boywonder1694 Red is one of the presenters on the UA-cam channel Overly Sarcastic Productions. She does fiction/trope analysis and myths as opposed to Blue who does the history-focused videos.
God when you showed up Ace i literally cried. Batman is so much about second opportunities, like with Freeze in that comic book where he creates a storm but instead of locking him up on Arkham instantly, he comforts him bc he realized Freeze is just grieving
I think the Lois and Clark show was, albeit cheesy, a good representation of Superman. I don’t remember Clark killing anyone (on purpose) and he was just a chill dude who loved humanity. I could be remembering wrong but I loved that show
What messed DC up is that Marvel slowly brought up each character in they're own movie before becoming the avengers. While DC just through all of them in one movie.
Until the Snyder cut of Justice League came out, at least got a origin story for Cyborg. Justice League War, the animated show basically follows the same plot as Justice League just does it way better until the Snyder cut. In all honestly, the Snyder cut imo saved the DCEU as it allowed every character to shine, the Flash especially was portrayed with great improvements
@@captainflowers748 how did Snyder cut save DCEU?? It was a movie 4 years late.. and just OK tbh.. Avengers 2012 or the suicide squad 2021 r better in terms of writing or most other parameters
@@pm6127 IMO, it honestly did cause while it still has improvements and the bad things, I felt an sense of emotion I never felt with the MCU. I was actually on the edge of my chair watching every second of the way (at the later part of the movies). I reckon if past movies and solo movies existed, to flesh out the DCEU, Justice League would've been a fantastically made movie
I feel like it wouldn't have been as bad if the characters were unknown but DC is incredibly iconic, if you change things up slightly, everyone in the world knows and they complain.
I do think your wrong on one thing Superman is different from every superhero because he isn’t really either Clark or super man they are both one in the same, he is always Clark and Superman neither one is the alter ego
Superman is literally his alter ego. He was raised as clark kent. He didnt always have powers (in most of his stories anyway lol). He got them in his later teen years. by that time, His character, the way he was raised, is already who he is. He literally grew up as a normal dude then his powers kicked in. Him living a normal life as clark kent and working at the daily bugel isnt to hide the fact that he's superman. It's just who he is and what he wants to do. (tho in the golden age, he is a reporter so that he can know when crime happens and has the freedom to go and stop it, [unlike being a police officer with ur supervisor breathing down ur neck lol.] But this doesnt make too much sense since he has super hearing and knows when crime happens anyway. So i guess thats why future stories omit this reasoning)
The thing about the Kill Bill Superman speech is that it's Bill's idea of what Superman is, he doesn't understand why someone so powerful would reduce themselves to a "pitiful human" this basically explains his problem with the Bride, he doesn't understand why she would go off and marry someone. At least that's what I think. Though I do agree that Superman needs to be SuperMAN.
@@Kirbychu1 Even when it SHOULD have no business being anything more than a cash grab *looks at Lego Movie*. They still come out as great movies that are just awesome.
Why do people say Aquaman can't talk to fish? He can't speak to fish, but telepathically communicating with them definitely qualifies as "talking" to them.
In the New 52, it isn’t telepathy, its more like compulsion. Aquaman isn’t asking and talking to the fish to him help out, its like mind control where the fish *have* to do his bidding (Except dolphins, they never clarify what makes dolphins different). This could’ve been changed and also in Aquaman 1, the whale he is hiding inside of “tells him” that he isn’t being followed. So maybe it has changed but I like New 52s description better.
This reminds me of how many intellectuals choose Watchmen as the only comic they ever read because it was on the NYTimes bestseller list, so they don't recognize the difference between Golden and Silver age heroes and how this shift in medium reflects the nuclear age and what the modern hero says about us. The aesthetic color shift won't strike a nonreader as especially interesting and a lot of them leave it with a "so what?" reaction.
Battinson: Would do it very awkwardly because he's just a very traumatized child who hid himself from the world. Balebat: Would, but I think the child might be scared of him and run away and he'd leave it at that. Bruce from Bale's would, though. Batfleck(Snyder): Would do an okay job. Conroy: Who are we kidding, Conroy IS Batman. R.I.P. Clooney, Kilmer, Keaton: Keaton maybe. The rest, not particularly. Although I believe Kilmer had a Robin, so that's something. Adam West. He had a Robin. He was a father. He absolutely would. Thoughts?
You forgot the biggest part of Batman that they always leave out of the movies is the fact that he is the greatest detective that ever lived they never cover that. Biggest part of Superman that's left out is the care when it comes to the newspaper how the issues effect everyone.
Everyone says "Batman's power is his wealth" but it's really his brain. Yes I know that Batman also has a surplus of plot armour but Batman gets by through his interlect and his will power.
@@antonymilne1346 Meta Plot, Bruce Wayne was trained to lead and take over the League of Shadows but back out. He was given a second chance to lead in the non canon graphic novel, " Son of the Demon," which later became the origin of Damain Wayne. Please watch the Tv series " House," and " Bones." I always felt Bruce's father as Dr.Wayne was more into medical research which lead Bruce into being such a good detective to treating Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, and the Joker's Toxin laughing death gases.
I use to care about newspapers as a child & teenager up into the late 1990's. Than I realize all the news was control Democrats and the slow growing SJW con artists. Superman stands for Truth, Justice, & the American way of life. The current media for since forever never cared for Truth or Justice, only social narrative control and profit. Love the tv series Lois & Clark: the new adventure of Superman, made in the 1990's. It shows what life was like without camera phones & high speed internet. In a few shows after a press conference it shows a few dozen reports bull rushing a small group of payphone to Call In what they just heard. Hell, I wonder way in all of these years with shows like "E.R." and a whole list of crime shows they never did a hard core News Room reporting show to remotely show what Clark Kent & Lois Lane, and Jim Olsen life would be like. Oh yeah, they went after corrupt city politicians and organize crime families. You don't want the younger people to learn how to investigate their own politicians and Big Business. Just follow what the democrat media tells you to believe.
My favorite live action superman moment is in Superman and Lois or whatever that CW show is called: Superman stops a car from flipping over or something dosent matter. Afterward a kid says "I like your suit!" And superman responds like superman should with "thanks my mom made it" hes a wholesome kid from Kansas not Jesus. I just ask one film director understand that.
I always laugh incessantly when I see the scene of Batman shooting the car, running it over, and causing it to explode because it’s so against his character that I can’t help but laugh from its insanity.
@@nickburns1455 dark knight returns is dark, but it’s not supposed to be part of a new DC extended universe. I think Zack Snyder took a bit too much inspiration and made Batman grim dark and violent.
@@TheAlienGangster who said it’s not supposed to be part of an extended universe? Where was that rule? He adapted that version of the character into a movie and its very comics accurate
The whole bit about "Batman is actually Bruce Wayne..." couldn't be more wrong Batman doesn't see Batman as his alter ego. He sees Bruce Wayne as his fake alter ego and Batman as his real identity.
@@bobjohn6572 in nolans tdk trilogy both batman and bruce wayne identity is part of the same persona ....its not one or the other .....there is no fake personality ......
@@digontozahid I feel that in DKR he was more batman than Bruce Wayne but for the rest of the movies your right Bruce Wayne is part of the same persona
@@angels8920I didn't think it was boring. It showed more of the detective side of Batman, I mean, Batman is supposed to be the #1 detective, not a man that breaks bones all day. The Batman actually shows him breaking codes and figuring stuff out. Sorry you have a low attention span, must be a tiktok scroller.
One of the BIGGEST issues for the DCEU is that they constantly worry about catching up with Marvel, which is what ruins them, they should’ve made character origin movies but they just rushed and made Justice League to try and compete with Avengers
I don’t think doing ensemble movies early was their problem. Ensemble movies work all the time (Saving Private Ryan, Lord of the Rings, Oceans Eleven etc). Rushing was a problem. BvS should have been split to allow for exploring Bruce’s reaction to MoS which might have made the conflict make more sense.
They should have waited their turn instead of playing catch up. Now they are fucked because the MCU is about to bring back the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Justice League released post-Infinity War would have been the way to go.
Kyle Richter they won't, if they are wise,bringing x men and f4 is a huge problem. People will realise it later, now they are in dreamy state, but down the line the universe will become a mess.
Honestly, they could have done Wonder Woman before BvS and that would have been a major improvement right there. Introduce 2 heroes. Then BvS woulda still had flaws but it'd at least flow better. As it's basically a Batman movie, even being called BATMAN v Superman and not Superman V Batman. And it introduces Batman but BAM there's also Wonder Woman. Then Suicide Squad which mentions the death of Superman so it sinks in. Then Justice League. It would have been at least decent. It gives them 4 movies before JL. Avengers also only had 4 movies before it (well 5 but I barely remember to include the Incredible Hulk XD)
"The Justice League cartoon does this the best." God does it ever. It's so sad to me that 20 years on and the best representation of the DC heroes - in terms of plotlines *AND* (voice) acting - is fucking cartoons from the early 00s. It's so good, STILL.
I know this is DC focused, but Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes did the same for Marvel besides just Spider-Man, and Wolverine. Both of these shows are love letters to these characters and stories.
One of my favourite Superman moments was actually in a Nightwing story. Dick is moving out of Gotham and Clark shows up to help him move house, because Dick is his friend and Dick asked the league for a hand moving into his new place. That's it. That's the moment. Superman shows up to help his friend move house. That's the kinda guy he is.
I remember watching an animated Superman movie as a kid that I forgot absolutely everything about except for one moment. Its in a moment that seems absolutely hopeless, like the only option Superman has to save the innocent people is to kill the villain, but still he *refuses* to put a thousand innocent lives above a single guilty one and he goes against all odds and finds a way to save everyone. That is genuinely the only thing I remember about that movie but it still shaped how I think of Superman and Paragon charcters in general and how a story about an immortal demigod with a moral code can still be engaging and fun and emotional and just plain good.
Bro when I was talking about how Superman and Batman are good friends at my school some kid said bro aren’t they enemies though because of Batman vs Superman
@@xdevantx5870 yeah, a lot of why Clark Kent is such a good disguise is because the people in their universe would never believe that Superman would ever lower himself to live a normal life. He's Superman! He's saving people 24 fucking 7, 7 days a week! No one would ever think a god like figure would be a farm boy who works as a reporter like some fucking Newsies.
When Batman's parents died in an alley right next to him it motivated him. It wasn't out of some kind of revenge against all criminals it was so that no one else would have to feel the pain he felt that day. Why the fuck would he jump down IN AN ALLEY and beat the shit out of Deadshot in front of his daughter? Can he not see the parallels between himself and Deadshot's daughter?
While SS was a horrible movie did you miss the point where Bruce said he didn;t want to do this infront of the Daughter. What other chance would he have to take Deadshot in? When he was out of Gotham in a different country? Batman didn't want to do it but the situation was kinda forced to it.
Tex Corps the thief that killed Bruce's parents also didn't wanted to kill his parents but he still did it.........Deathshot's daughter is gonna be Batgirl(joke)
Tex Corps Batman could have followed Deadshot until he was away from his daughter and then arrest him. Hiding in the shadows is one of his greatest weapons!
I think the scene in Kill Bill that you show here actually applies more to Batman in a lot of stories than Superman. It’s a real plot point in a lot of Batman stories that he neglects being Bruce Wayne, regularly puts that section of his life on hold, and considers himself to be Batman more than Bruce. There’s a great scene in Batman: Beyond (the continuation series of Batman: The Animated Series,) where it is shown to the audience that Bruce’s inner voice calls himself “Batman,” not “Bruce”. This is fascinating, because it shows the thing that truly sets Batman apart from other heroes: his attitude and mentality. In the Justice League episode where a nightmare dude is the villain, Batman has a great line where he says, “I have one superpower, I never give up,” which is a little on the nose, but also incredibly accurate. It takes a special type of person to go through everything that Batman goes through and never waver, and it is, (in my opinion,) the best thing about his character. Kill Bill vol. 2 could have nailed this scene for comic readers if they made that switch, Although admittedly it would have confused a lot of people
@@wrestlinganime4life288 yes, snyderverse made Superman interesting. It's an experimental take on the character. Why can't people just acknowledge that.I know that people hate him cause he is shown as an outcast, but that's how he was in his early days of crime fighting. Just understand that. Snyder didn't do Batman any justice. So yeah, it's not supes, but it's the bat which has been destroyed
Honestly I used to just think that Superman was the worst and most overrated character ever so I never even bothered to read any action comics or superman comics, then I started reading Justice League and it really changed my mind about him
@@danielej5856 Yeah I totally see where you’re coming from. I understand it’s an experimental take on Supes, and changes can be fine, if they work. Unfortunately, they didn’t. There’s also the fact that Superman doesn’t need to change. He’s already an interesting, inspiring, and relatable character as he is. Snyder just wasn’t able to capture or understand that IMO. Unfortunately, like u pointed out, he fucked up batman too. SMH
gemifi wic ok so most people who are fans of marvel are because of the movies, most of them don’t even read the comics! It’s different for dc fans. I think it’s better to read the comics because that’s why there’s movies and shows anyways.
You probably did not watch the video till the end cause he said that there is no problem with the dc heroes only with the one making the movies because the heroes are being misinterpreted.
@@estherbowman6600 with how many different versions of comics there are? Nowadays modern people don't know where to start reading. You know multiverse stuff and reboots. So people nowadays suffer looking through which one is the real storyline so they just stick with the live action movies. Not to mention the time and money you need to invest on comics people prefer to watch a few hours of movie and be done with it.
I'm not a big Aquaman guy, but he doesn't "talk to fish". He COMMANDS sea life. It's not like having a conversation. He literally imbues his will onto some of the most powerful, largest, most mysterious creatures on Earth. And since we're talking 70% water here, that's most of the earth's wildlife. Enter his domain, and youre at a serious disadvantage.
@@nikhiliyengar1510 Lego Batman was a meta movie about Batman, just Lego. It had into the Spider-Verse level vibes, and we all know that's the best Spider-Man movie
Imo. It's a difference of representation of the character spirit vs. The Hollywood representation. Spider verse was the closest possible representation to the spirit of the character. In other words, if spiderveree was the first spiderman IP ever, we would absolutely fall in move with the character because we understand what it means to be a superhero. This is where the DCEU is getting superhero movies wrong. This is why spiderman raimi was amazing. The infinity saga was amazing. Hell, even nolan's dark knight gets us to understand this, but more so it answers the question "what are the superhero sacrifices and consequences".
I feel this is unfair to not mention the DC Animated Movies as good adaptions of DC Material. DC’s only problem is their damn movies. They keep hiring hacks who don’t know shit
Snyder is the worst thing to have happened to DC since Joel Schumacher’s Batman and Robin. I think it’s even worse, because Batman and Robin at least was faithful to the campy Batman.
Doesn't help that aspects of wandavision are adapted from comic material that makes those characters interesting as well. Superman keeps getting done dirty.
Indeed, they just being a typical superhero in every kid's dream. Beating aliens, evil specie who tries to invade and colonize earth and in the end the heroes win hooray
i feel like everyone liked dc a little bit more up until the mcu became much more popular. You also have to take into consideration how much flops marvel had Daredevil,Ghost Rider, Elektra(etc).
So I came back here after watching The Batman and damn, they fixed pretty much everything you critiqued. It’s easily the best live-action Batman movie ever made.
I mean yes it was amazing but unless you are referring to just purely Batman as a character, then the best Batman related movie and comic book movie of all time is still the Dark Knight.
@@b111x you can argue that The Dark Knight the better *movie* of the two (“best comic book movie of all time” is debatable at best), but as a *Batman* movie The Batman beats The Dark Knight. Hell, in that regard Lego Batman also beats The Dark Knight.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ I agree with the 2nd part of your comment because Batman was only half of the movie and the Joker arguably had a bigger role in the Dark Knight. But as for the first part of your comment, no other superhero film compares with the Dark Knight. There is a reason out of every single movie in that genre, The Dark Knight is the main film that gets put on nearly all top 100 movie of all time lists consistently. And it is the main film in that genre that is phenomenal across all genres. The closest film would be Logan and many people consider that a superhero film only albeit it was also extremely well done. I would say The Batman is on a similar, if not, the same level as Logan in terms of quality of the film.
You’ll get people like hardcore DBZ fans (a group I am part of) who think he’s some limitless god like person who is emotionless and untouchable. Then there’s the MCU fans that think he’s a goodie Boy Scout.
the whole snyderverse is basically completely ignoring the premise of DC characters and turn them all into some dark "anti-hero", because 30 year old kids like things dark.
You know the sign that Batman directors don’t get Batman? They never showcased his intellect properly. He’s always a Ninja, a Rich Multi Billionaire, an Icon of Fear, but almost never The World’s Greatest Detective.
They never show his compassion either. They never show the guy who adopted 5 kids. The guy who kids of Gotham look up to. The guy who Steph would look into the sky and pray would come. The guy Tim Drake signed up to help. The guy who plays with kids when there scared to help them feel safe. The guy who you can count on to protect you no matter what.
It’s so weird that Snyder has Superman act like Dr Manhattan. These movies aren’t Watchmen. He is a good old country boy. He grew up on a farm. And also, Snyder DIDN’T EVEN GET THE POINT OF WATCHMEN. He completely ignores the Bernies. The point of the story isn’t that humanity should know about Ozymandias’ plan because the peace that they have achieved is based on a lie, it’s that Ozymandias is fundamentally wrong about humanity.
“You can’t have a character who’s motivations are solely based around their love interest” laughs in women in movies having whose entire character development revolves around a big strong man.
@@oooooofburger4232 For the sake of the argument, let's say this is true. Why wouldn't it be natural for character growth of a man to be entirely shaped by a woman, he looks up to? And why the same argument couldn't be applied to this scenario if the genders were reversed? Also I would like to ask what you mean with "we're leaders". Did you mean that man usually take more initiative in a relationship, so you consider them leaders? P.s. Sorry if this is to long, I didn't want to make to much assumptions.
Here after watching The Batman for the third time. I wish I could see Batfleck’s version because I LOVED Pattinson’s version. It does make me curious to how much changed
cavill is awesome it's a shame he was wasted on the dceu. also i'm a bit bias because cavill is a w40k fan (we need a 40k movie with cavill as captain general of the custodes or even just the emperor himself)
You would think Batman would be the last person to beat up someone's parents in a dark alley...
Well you see the key word there is “think.” Think about what Batman should and shouldn’t do, with proper knowledge to make the decision.
Which is something that Zack Snyder severely lacks.
@@funnysonicman did u not see the ending of BvS? He literally doesn't brand Luthor and accepts he was wrong and has come back to his senses.
@@sarthaknavale3135 Ugh 10 /10 great character development
Holy shit you're right.
@@sarthaknavale3135 yeah... great character development, right?
“They’re gonna fuck up the Wonder Woman sequel.”
*Holy Shit.*
Well they Kinda did
Nerd superpower: prescience
@@Alex-sc2mr Hence the "Holy Shit"
prediction magic hahahaha
BRUH
Fun fact: Ezra Millers flash didn’t get his powers from the speed force. He got them from running from the police
Too true!
What!!
he saw a child somewhere that wasn't being groomed by pedophiles and thought "i have to do something about this!"
😂😂😂
😂😂😂 yo have me hollering at 1am
"Flash is the only character that I think has been getting good representation in media" is so funny to hear now 😂
Lmao
“The only movie on the horizon from DC that I think is going to actually get released is Flashpoint.” I audibly started laughing when I heard that
Ouch
I'm out of touch with movies (marvel/dc) and stuff so may i ask what happened?
@@garou_10 I think they are referring to Ezra Miller, the guy who plays Flash in the movies
"They're gonna fuck up the Wonder Woman sequel..."
well well well
😂
Come on man, you just needed to look at the cast and the villain poster with the cheetah lady who had a writing on her forehead like that weird joker. Gosh. That's enough to see that it was gonna be a failure
@@insertname1841 the cheetah design made me think cats arent that bad
@@Thesnowyman lmao 🤣😆
Allistair Music how the turntables.........
The biggest mistake with Superman: they forgot he’s wholesome as hell
When Superman isn't a boy scout you've written him wrong
Superman is a good boi who tries to be the goodest boi, and that’s what makes him interesting
Movie Supes is trying to be the goodest symbol
Superman as a the kind of boy scout he was in the comics is sickening old-timey propaganda. It was bad back then, and it's worse to imitate it now.
KAZ Vorpal
You ever read golden age superman?
He terrified villains (politicians) by dangling them from high up
Zombie Guy I mean the two don’t have to be mutually exclusive
If they would have had Henry Cavill act like Henry Cavill, instead of an angry robot, the DC movies would have been way better.
Yeeeees i would love that. Henry Cavill is such a sweet, carrying and funny guy, he is everything I want to see in superman.
But he’s British
@@sachio8610 He could obviously use an American accent. I was talking about his personality.
superman is ironically pretty human acting, idk why they thought making him act like how everyone thinks batman acts would be a good pkab
plan*
It's funny because that scene in kill bill saying "Clark Kent is the mask" is actually a more accurate description of Batman. Because to him the Batman persona is his true self while he considers the"billionaire playboy philanthropist Bruce Wayne" persona to be the mask
Lol, maybe that guy had only seen the Superman movies
@@snotte.a8670 That guy is Quentin Tarantino. So-
I doubt it
@ThePrince-bv8ts the villain was the one saying that. You know, the guy who's wrong
I’m like 99% sure that Joker referred to Batman’s mask as his real face.
Yeah well what does he know he accidently died jerking off.
Remember when Martian Manhunter went to Superman's house for Christmas cuz he has no family and the Kents had to cover Supes' presents in lead so he couldn't peek thru the paper? It was so sweet.
Yep. Its simple sentimental stuff like that which should be focused on more.
Oh my none functioning heart...
Also in that episode, we discovered Superman /Clark Kent still believes in Santa Claus
@@wrestlinganime4life288 I know, dude, it was so friggin wholesome. I think we all need to see those kinds of things to take the cynical edge off once in a while
@@parkerboy795 I wholeheartedly agree. We live in a world that's so sarcastic and ironic. It's nice to see something that's genuinely nice
Technically, anyone can talk to fish.
It's just that fish can't talk to them.
Well... You're not wrong
No ! Muets can't talk to fish because they can't talk 😁
Bruh, you killing it
@@augustinmbene7372 Nah... They can't really process language.
@@r.k.7663 They don't need to understand what you're saying in order to be talked to.
21:11 Damn. Marcus predicted 5 years ago that:
1. They'd fuck up the Wonder Woman Sequel
2. They'd cancel Batgirl
3. They'd reboot the entire DCEU through a flashpoint-ish movie
Yea everyone knew they would reboot everything through flash point. that was always their backup plan since they introduced the multiverse. The MCU also has to do this as well except they already had their multiverse introduction so now it is blatantly forced.
Snyders problem is that he thinks that if a story has to be "gritty" it means ALL characters have to act like that and everything has to be "super dark"
its a childs view of what gritty storytelling is, where you just have people looking sad and have everything be grey and drab. Zach Snyder might be one of the most shallow directors out there.
His Justice league was pretty good but I wasn’t a fan of his other DC movies
@@erikgain1294 nahh it's decent at best 6/10 for me
Say you're a hater and move on
@@Shockkings0714 Opinions exist dude
I liked it
"Superman is only boring if you think being good is easy."
that comment...........right there..
You're not gonna stave off criticism for a dull hero just by pulling a cherry-picked quote out of your ass.
@@Zer0nite Well that logic also applies to people that barely understand the character and think he is "dull" by not having watched him in anything good as Cosmonaut mentioned.
@@moiznawab250 Not watched him in anything good, you mean in 90% of the modern day material?
@@Zer0nite Nope I mean in anything that is actually good whether it is reading a well written comic book like All Star Superman, Superman For All Seasons, For the Man Who Has Everything and Superman Earth One Series. Or in good shows like the Justice League cartoon (which Cosmonaut just showed), his animated series like Batman TAS, Smallville (mainly the first four seasons) and the recent Superman and Lois show which includes good modern day material.
When people said "DC shows are better" i always assume they're talking about the animated shows
True. People need to give the animated shows more credit.
Teen titans, BTAU and JLU are tha shit
@@gentry4960 and the new apolokypse movie
billy b 501'st legion that’s not a show but yeah
Harley Quinn is the best DC show rn
One great line I heard from Endless Jess about Superman: "He's Super... but more importantly he's a man." Superman's humanity is his defining characteristic. It's what makes him a great character.
@@caitlyncarvalho7637 are you trying to make a point, or actually asking that question non-rhetorically?
@@caitlyncarvalho7637 where tf did that come from no one was even talking about them lmao
14:44 All Superman needed to say was, “Its people.” Smile, wave, and take off. Boom, the essence of Superman.
FRRRRRR, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO GOOD THEY SHOULD JAVE HAD SUPERMAN SAY THAT BRO
I think he would say that its home. Its every great thing he has experienced on earth. Its the thing he would give his life to save.
@@wsawbi6402 superman feels not real but to capture him perfectly we should capture the Super and the man first The Family and Friends the Environment The people and then the World. imagine some kids called out to him while running after him and he lands went over, he hit them with a high five, cool handshake or a fist pump while the kids took selfies and touched his suit and cape and as he is about to leave, he says something like alright stay back as he levitates above the ground and he says stay in school, be good and also do not play in the street as he just flies away as the kids look into the sky with amazement. Superman feels distant and his city does not correspond to his action he is not criticized for his big battles. We never see him late we do not feel relatable because superman does not superhero at his level he can stop a robbery say in 3 minutes and immediately, he can go across the world to deliver water to lost Nomads in the desert, help a farmer load his goods in Italy and we saw him extinguish a fire in Japan then come home take a shower call someone and say something like he was out on a run or at the gym. We want to see him overwhelmed like Spiderman. He should be an inspiring character if we see him fight to the limit today, we then see him help a cat from a tree on his way home with blood and torn costume. he is an inspiring character people try to narrow him down that is what kills him he could do something like free people on a burning oil tanker then as Clark help a blind person cross the street. We should see him watch football games with his buddies then go save people come back and continue hanging out like a normal person. Have him struggle with the Man part not the super part he grew up in a healthy home but feels like if people knew he was Clark his parents would have to be relocated to a safe place. His childhood home turned into a museum. As powerful as superman is he should be a UN issue. They should be debates whether to restrict him or let him roam free. his Nationality should be questioned since he can just cross borders without being stopped, we want to see Politics over Him and Countries saying they will retaliate and start a war if superman conducts his business in their territory. They should be consequences for his actions. His appearance should change the landscape of human power. We should see scientists with radical ideas to make superhumans become common and funded all over the world. vigilantes, aliens, supernatural events all start because of him. The consequence for his existence should be that he is a beacon for power, villains and powerful entities should flock to him.
"You're so dark! Are you sure you're not from the DC universe?!"
-Deadpool 2018.
@Yahya Ahmad why would you post something like this
13:25: It's embarassing and sad that those people literally understand nothing.
They're so freaking sure of themselves, yet they know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about.
Wow.
Well that's cause cable was from an era when grim and dark superheroes were growing popular
@@slevinchannel7589 what do you mean
I cringed so hard when Deadpool said that
I don’t even understand why Aquaman supposed to be lame, he’s in control of the entire Freakin Ocean, That’s an incredible power to have.
He's like Namor of DC, or maybe it's the other way around. Who came first?
@@sirswearsalot1813 Namor
It started in the original Super Friends show from like the 70s where aquaman literally did nothing the entire show like its not an exaggeration he literally didn't do anything
As I understand, Aquaman only has minor hydrokenisis whilst using his trident. Thus, his ability to commune with sea animals is nearly useless when on land.
He talks to fish...
I’m so happy that he was wrong about The Batman being awful
Well that one is kind of removed from the whole DC universe thing and be more grounded like the Christian Nolan trilogy so that’s probably help
Yeah, he said The Batman would be awful, but it was terrible.
@@itsnotatoober L
@@itsnotatoober L opinion
@@itsnotatoober lol ok kid
Thank god that he was wrong about “The Batman”. That movie goes hard
Yeah, i mean with how much was swapped out by the time they actually made it its basically a different project from what he was talking about
One of my favorite CBM’s of all time and I’m a marvel fan. It was so good
I hope it's actually good. the problem for me is that I can't bring myself to watch it bc Twifleck. That's right, I can't even bring myself to put a 'Bat' or a 'Man' into that moniker. All I can see/hear as a result of the casting choice is WB doubling down on the terrible choice that was Ben Affleck by adding a bit of daywalker glitter to it.
I got really excited when I heard it was going to be a detective movie, and then the casting was announced and I just couldn't bring myself to care anymore. And then I saw the penguin casting. And then I saw that the Riddler was a bdsm cliche. Gosh I really wanted to be able to watch and enjoy the Batman after Affleck's punk ass finally stepped aside to allow the role to move forward. They just went in the exact opposite direction, and I just couldn't even do it.
Anyway I really do hope it was good and that ppl enjoyed it - I wish I could too. Life long Batman fan here (mid-40's) and I just can't even try and it totally sucks.
@@make.and.believe a BDSM cliché? Do you know what that acronym means lmao
@@make.and.believe bruh
Movie Batman: Kills people
Comic Batman: beats the shit out of his son for Killing people
@@greasycheese9050 Worlds finest comics #153
@@greasycheese9050 anytime 👍🏿✌🏿
He punches his 16 year old son in the face for offering emotional support in comics too.
As much as I dislike the DCEU, why can't people understand that these aren't comic accurate adaptations of these characters?
@@greasycheese9050 well it was Tim Drake. And no, while Damian sucks, he doesn’t deserve child abuse. Batman hasn’t ever hit Damian tho, he makes a point to only treat his adopted family like crap, not his biological, even if his biological does the same thing as his adopted. It’s rather stupid, I hate recent Batman comics, and Damian shouldn’t even exist, he completely ruins one of the themes of Batman (tho so does Batwoman) and he’s written like fanfic.
"They're gonna fuck up the Wonder Woman sequel"
OMG he predicted the future!
It was obvious. First one was horrible already. It was just, will fuck it up bad or fuck it up worse. They went to choose the 2nd option.
I personally don't know how people think WW is a good movie, Ares as a villain and a God doesn't come as close as a menace as Zod in MoS, he looked like a clown with a horrible CGI fanmade costome, I'm being hoenst and neutral but Gal Gadot can't act, she's a model before and actress I remember when she broke out of the ground and began to scream cry?(don't remember) it felt fake as well as non-emotional alongside horrible CGI and I just couldn't help but laugh. Let's not forget that WW is a warrior she's supposed to be built with muscles and mass with a great figure, she isn't supposed to look like a stick next to Batman and Superman in BvS.
@@angelrosas2556 That last sentence got me XD. So true!
@@angelrosas2556 You do realize Gal Gadot was in the Israelian Military, right?
@@Enigma75614 You do realize that everyone in the military doesn't fight right?
After The Batman and James Gunn writing a Superman story and handling DC in general, there is still hope that we will get good representation in movies.
@@theruemorgue1048People will never understand Cavill is way too old to be playing a young Superman long-term
@@volkoveditsIt’s just a shame he never got a chance to portray a good Superman.
@@colingreen5553 Yeah. I would’ve loved if he still played him but at the same time, I understand why they had to replace him and David Corenswet seems like a good choice
@@colingreen5553doesnt matter cavil was the worst superman .
“The real superman would kneel down and engage in a conversation with the kids.” Proof that in fact, Snyderverse superman is a fake, an imposter.
*Batman in movies:* I work alone and ANGST
*Batman in comics:* Tired dad trying to control his many children
KarateWolf27 true
Lol.
*cough* Jason Todd *cough*
📠
@@lawreadinggreen7117 how dare you!!1!
I was one of those dumb kids who thought Spider-Man's webs came from within his wrists, and when Amazing Spider-Man came out, I was like "oh cool, they're putting a tech-y twist on it"
same
I always thought that spiderman only swung around ny on ON SINGLE WEB
@@idkwhattoputhere323 i hate calling people dumb but I can make an exeption for you lol
@@psylock.mp3 dont worry I now know that's not true
I was the complete opposite. I watched the Sam raimi trilogy and thought I was the wrong person then I remembered I've been watching spiderman since I was 3.
12:20 - one of the most amazing things is how he gets Superman/Kent and Bruce/Batman *entirely backwards* from how those two superheroes interact with their own identities as Bruce slowly slips into *being* the Batman, while Clark is very grounded as himself first.
I fully believe that “My Adventures with Superman” is the most faithful superman in media
preach
animated?
@@dankerbell ye
17:00 as Red said “If you cannot imagine your version of Batman comforting a child, you have instead made the punisher in a silly hat.”
So true
Little Girl: "...Batman! Please dont kill my dead just for wrong Parking!"
Batman "...Justice... needs to be bloody, duh..."
Who’s Red? 🤔
@@boywonder1694 Red is one of the presenters on the UA-cam channel Overly Sarcastic Productions. She does fiction/trope analysis and myths as opposed to Blue who does the history-focused videos.
good reference
"That's why they picked this big cool badass handsome Dothraki guy to play him"
Literally the best description of Jason Momoa.
hes not a bad auqa man
MAH MAN!
@@DaveM86 well they just want him to seem more badass than batman but apparently blondes can't do that
@@huntercorrales6794 Name a blonde more badass than Jason Momoa.
@Miscellaneous Mind besides.. He's face is similar to that of a Greek Olympic gods
God when you showed up Ace i literally cried. Batman is so much about second opportunities, like with Freeze in that comic book where he creates a storm but instead of locking him up on Arkham instantly, he comforts him bc he realized Freeze is just grieving
the kill bill superman monologue applies better to batman than superman. bruce wayne is batman’s disguise
I always hated that characterisation. It makes batman sound more like a nutcase than a dedicated crime fighter.
Who's the greatest villain?
Marvel fans : Thanos
DC fans : Warner bros
True
ha!
🤣
Reverse flash easily
The joker
LEGO understands Batman more than Zack Snyder
*CONFUSED SCREAMING*
For he is the Batman
Vlodiz lel
@@maeve0301 well
@@maeve0301 ok then
My man
Cosmonaut: “I really hope that flash doesn’t get ruined like these other guys have”
Ezra Miller: “Hold my beer”
I think the Lois and Clark show was, albeit cheesy, a good representation of Superman. I don’t remember Clark killing anyone (on purpose) and he was just a chill dude who loved humanity. I could be remembering wrong but I loved that show
What messed DC up is that Marvel slowly brought up each character in they're own movie before becoming the avengers. While DC just through all of them in one movie.
Until the Snyder cut of Justice League came out, at least got a origin story for Cyborg. Justice League War, the animated show basically follows the same plot as Justice League just does it way better until the Snyder cut. In all honestly, the Snyder cut imo saved the DCEU as it allowed every character to shine, the Flash especially was portrayed with great improvements
@@captainflowers748 yeah. snyder cut was pretty ayt, but it’s a shame that we may not see any follow up to it
@@captainflowers748 how did Snyder cut save DCEU?? It was a movie 4 years late.. and just OK tbh.. Avengers 2012 or the suicide squad 2021 r better in terms of writing or most other parameters
@@pm6127 IMO, it honestly did cause while it still has improvements and the bad things, I felt an sense of emotion I never felt with the MCU. I was actually on the edge of my chair watching every second of the way (at the later part of the movies). I reckon if past movies and solo movies existed, to flesh out the DCEU, Justice League would've been a fantastically made movie
Yeah. At least in the Snyder cut we get some origins of each characters but I heard the Snyder cut isn’t canon...
To sum up this video:
The problem with DC heroes *is the movies misrepresent them*
This just summarize this
I feel like it wouldn't have been as bad if the characters were unknown but DC is incredibly iconic, if you change things up slightly, everyone in the world knows and they complain.
So zack Snyder and WB are the problem? We need better people
@@cloroxbleach6039 Specifically WB, they have no direction whatsoever.
nope theyre all the same and trash
I do think your wrong on one thing Superman is different from every superhero because he isn’t really either Clark or super man they are both one in the same, he is always Clark and Superman neither one is the alter ego
He literally just said this in the video(and watch the Batman vs Superman6 I mean come on, you don’t even try
Superman is literally his alter ego. He was raised as clark kent. He didnt always have powers (in most of his stories anyway lol). He got them in his later teen years. by that time, His character, the way he was raised, is already who he is. He literally grew up as a normal dude then his powers kicked in. Him living a normal life as clark kent and working at the daily bugel isnt to hide the fact that he's superman. It's just who he is and what he wants to do. (tho in the golden age, he is a reporter so that he can know when crime happens and has the freedom to go and stop it, [unlike being a police officer with ur supervisor breathing down ur neck lol.] But this doesnt make too much sense since he has super hearing and knows when crime happens anyway. So i guess thats why future stories omit this reasoning)
21:42 this did not age well for Flash and Wonder Woman Nowadays
I've always said: "There is only one amazing Superman movie out there. It's called Megamind."
Bruh
Facts
That’s more a Braniac movie
Oof 💀
same goes for fantastic four with the incredibles
"LEGO Batman's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen."
THANK YOU!
I hav found my people
Lol ya it’s funny!
@@jkeirejejhehehehe6796 Listen to what the flower people say.
*Finally!*
The og lego batman game was the shit tho.
Hearing that Batman is “actually evil” had me dying 😂😂
The thing about the Kill Bill Superman speech is that it's Bill's idea of what Superman is, he doesn't understand why someone so powerful would reduce themselves to a "pitiful human" this basically explains his problem with the Bride, he doesn't understand why she would go off and marry someone.
At least that's what I think.
Though I do agree that Superman needs to be SuperMAN.
Animated DC movies are actually better than the live actions😬
That’s 110% correct
Not the dcamu tho, that sucks
Often the lego ones too
@@jg1692 😑
@@leonschup3075 it does
Why do the LEGO games understand these characters more than the EU?
Now that I think about it, Lego shit actually always puts a ton of love and care into the properties they adapt. it's pretty crazy
@@Kirbychu1 Even when it SHOULD have no business being anything more than a cash grab *looks at Lego Movie*. They still come out as great movies that are just awesome.
The EU has a problem with superheroes?
Because the EU doesn't understand anything
@@incog0956 Extended Universe, not European Union
Why do people say Aquaman can't talk to fish? He can't speak to fish, but telepathically communicating with them definitely qualifies as "talking" to them.
In the New 52, it isn’t telepathy, its more like compulsion. Aquaman isn’t asking and talking to the fish to him help out, its like mind control where the fish *have* to do his bidding (Except dolphins, they never clarify what makes dolphins different). This could’ve been changed and also in Aquaman 1, the whale he is hiding inside of “tells him” that he isn’t being followed. So maybe it has changed but I like New 52s description better.
This reminds me of how many intellectuals choose Watchmen as the only comic they ever read because it was on the NYTimes bestseller list, so they don't recognize the difference between Golden and Silver age heroes and how this shift in medium reflects the nuclear age and what the modern hero says about us. The aesthetic color shift won't strike a nonreader as especially interesting and a lot of them leave it with a "so what?" reaction.
As a wise person once said, if you can't see your Batman comforting a small child, that's not Batman, that's the Punisher in a funny hat.
Red from OSP?
Ayyy I understood that reference
Battinson: Would do it very awkwardly because he's just a very traumatized child who hid himself from the world.
Balebat: Would, but I think the child might be scared of him and run away and he'd leave it at that. Bruce from Bale's would, though.
Batfleck(Snyder): Would do an okay job.
Conroy: Who are we kidding, Conroy IS Batman. R.I.P.
Clooney, Kilmer, Keaton: Keaton maybe. The rest, not particularly. Although I believe Kilmer had a Robin, so that's something.
Adam West. He had a Robin. He was a father. He absolutely would.
Thoughts?
Punisher would comfort a small child, he probably wouldn’t be very good at it but he usually cares about innocent people
@@RicoFrank69no, punisher doesn’t give a shit about anybody. He is a serial killer
You forgot the biggest part of Batman that they always leave out of the movies is the fact that he is the greatest detective that ever lived they never cover that. Biggest part of Superman that's left out is the care when it comes to the newspaper how the issues effect everyone.
I heard the Robert Pattinson batman movie would focus more on the detective side of Batman so I hope they could pull it off
Everyone says "Batman's power is his wealth" but it's really his brain. Yes I know that Batman also has a surplus of plot armour but Batman gets by through his interlect and his will power.
Why the fuck does Batman have a beard?
@@antonymilne1346 Meta Plot, Bruce Wayne was trained to lead and take over the League of Shadows but back out. He was given a second chance to lead in the non canon graphic novel, " Son of the Demon," which later became the origin of Damain Wayne.
Please watch the Tv series " House," and " Bones." I always felt Bruce's father as Dr.Wayne was more into medical research which lead Bruce into being such a good detective to treating Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, and the Joker's Toxin laughing death gases.
I use to care about newspapers as a child & teenager up into the late 1990's. Than I realize all the news was control Democrats and the slow growing SJW con artists.
Superman stands for Truth, Justice, & the American way of life. The current media for since forever never cared for Truth or Justice, only social narrative control and profit.
Love the tv series Lois & Clark: the new adventure of Superman, made in the 1990's.
It shows what life was like without camera phones & high speed internet. In a few shows after a press conference it shows a few dozen reports bull rushing a small group of payphone to Call In what they just heard.
Hell, I wonder way in all of these years with shows like "E.R." and a whole list of crime shows
they never did a hard core News Room reporting show to remotely show what Clark Kent & Lois Lane, and Jim Olsen life would be like.
Oh yeah, they went after corrupt city politicians and organize crime families. You don't want the younger people to learn how to investigate their own politicians and Big Business. Just follow what the democrat media tells you to believe.
My favorite live action superman moment is in Superman and Lois or whatever that CW show is called: Superman stops a car from flipping over or something dosent matter. Afterward a kid says "I like your suit!" And superman responds like superman should with "thanks my mom made it" hes a wholesome kid from Kansas not Jesus. I just ask one film director understand that.
2023 hindsight:
The Batman: 🙂👍
The Flash: 🤢🤮
I always laugh incessantly when I see the scene of Batman shooting the car, running it over, and causing it to explode because it’s so against his character that I can’t help but laugh from its insanity.
Hey lizard, how’s it hanging?
Imagine if Adam west Batman was replaced with the one from the dark knight returns
U never saw the dark knight returns did u
@@nickburns1455 dark knight returns is dark, but it’s not supposed to be part of a new DC extended universe. I think Zack Snyder took a bit too much inspiration and made Batman grim dark and violent.
@@TheAlienGangster who said it’s not supposed to be part of an extended universe? Where was that rule? He adapted that version of the character into a movie and its very comics accurate
The whole bit about "Batman is actually Bruce Wayne..." couldn't be more wrong
Batman doesn't see Batman as his alter ego. He sees Bruce Wayne as his fake alter ego and Batman as his real identity.
Damn talk about dedication to fursona
@@nra3zehuti781 I’ve only played the Arkham games and seen the Christian Bale trilogy and I know that
It is exactly opposite with superman who sees himself as Clark Kent
@@bobjohn6572 in nolans tdk trilogy both batman and bruce wayne identity is part of the same persona ....its not one or the other .....there is no fake personality ......
@@digontozahid I feel that in DKR he was more batman than Bruce Wayne but for the rest of the movies your right Bruce Wayne is part of the same persona
Ironically the batman was the best representation of the character in a long while, hopefully we’ll have more like that.
That movie was so boring
@@angels8920 it was suppose to be, boring doesn’t mean bad either it’s just not for you
@@Slipperyslope333 a Batman that is supposed to be boring hmm interesting.
@@angels8920 you said the movie was boring not Batman. Anyhow, your opinion isnt the majority.
@@angels8920I didn't think it was boring.
It showed more of the detective side of Batman, I mean, Batman is supposed to be the #1 detective, not a man that breaks bones all day.
The Batman actually shows him breaking codes and figuring stuff out. Sorry you have a low attention span, must be a tiktok scroller.
"You can't have a character whose motivations are solely based around their love interest."
Unless it's Scott Pilgrim
One of the BIGGEST issues for the DCEU is that they constantly worry about catching up with Marvel, which is what ruins them, they should’ve made character origin movies but they just rushed and made Justice League to try and compete with Avengers
I don’t think doing ensemble movies early was their problem. Ensemble movies work all the time (Saving Private Ryan, Lord of the Rings, Oceans Eleven etc). Rushing was a problem. BvS should have been split to allow for exploring Bruce’s reaction to MoS which might have made the conflict make more sense.
They should have waited their turn instead of playing catch up. Now they are fucked because the MCU is about to bring back the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Justice League released post-Infinity War would have been the way to go.
Kyle Richter they won't, if they are wise,bringing x men and f4 is a huge problem. People will realise it later, now they are in dreamy state, but down the line the universe will become a mess.
Honestly, they could have done Wonder Woman before BvS and that would have been a major improvement right there. Introduce 2 heroes. Then BvS woulda still had flaws but it'd at least flow better. As it's basically a Batman movie, even being called BATMAN v Superman and not Superman V Batman. And it introduces Batman but BAM there's also Wonder Woman. Then Suicide Squad which mentions the death of Superman so it sinks in. Then Justice League. It would have been at least decent. It gives them 4 movies before JL. Avengers also only had 4 movies before it (well 5 but I barely remember to include the Incredible Hulk XD)
Bilal so you don't call man of steel or wonder woman an origin movie lol?
"The Justice League cartoon does this the best."
God does it ever. It's so sad to me that 20 years on and the best representation of the DC heroes - in terms of plotlines *AND* (voice) acting - is fucking cartoons from the early 00s. It's so good, STILL.
The WB animated division back then we're DC fanboys, they knew, and appreciated, the material.
Cna someone tell me where to get justice league cartoon? I searched everywhere
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@@arshiaashabyamin61 while your at it watch young justice 👌 its really good
I know this is DC focused, but Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes did the same for Marvel besides just Spider-Man, and Wolverine. Both of these shows are love letters to these characters and stories.
they did, in fact, fuck up the wonder woman sequel
The problem is, Zack Snyder is an edgelord who based DCEU on shitty New 52 Universe and hasn't read any good DC cosmic in his lifetime
One of my favourite Superman moments was actually in a Nightwing story. Dick is moving out of Gotham and Clark shows up to help him move house, because Dick is his friend and Dick asked the league for a hand moving into his new place. That's it. That's the moment. Superman shows up to help his friend move house. That's the kinda guy he is.
I always liked that about Superman
Honestly, I feel like Spider-Man’s epithet could fit him well
“Your friendly neighborhood superman”
I remember watching the animated doomsday vs superman arc on UA-cam and I was like “damn, I actually like this superman”
Clark's and dick's relationship is probably one of the most underrated thing in comics, love how the name nightwing came from a krypton superhero
@@lanecress574 I did not know that, just another reason for me to love Nightwing. It perfectly suits how earnest he is.
Marvel movies: NUT
Marvel shows : nut
DC movies: I'm tired (except dark Knight that shit is MEGA NUT.
DC animated shows: OMEGA NUT
LEGO Batman : SUPERNOVA EXTRA HUGE ULTRA NUT
Dark knight is good
Lego batman 2
You sir, I like
Endgame GOD NUT
I remember watching an animated Superman movie as a kid that I forgot absolutely everything about except for one moment. Its in a moment that seems absolutely hopeless, like the only option Superman has to save the innocent people is to kill the villain, but still he *refuses* to put a thousand innocent lives above a single guilty one and he goes against all odds and finds a way to save everyone. That is genuinely the only thing I remember about that movie but it still shaped how I think of Superman and Paragon charcters in general and how a story about an immortal demigod with a moral code can still be engaging and fun and emotional and just plain good.
Bro when I was talking about how Superman and Batman are good friends at my school some kid said bro aren’t they enemies though because of Batman vs Superman
The Kill bill monologue is exactly how a "villain!" would see a character like Superman.
I'm pretty sure that was a Lex Luthor rant in one of the comics.
@@xdevantx5870 yeah, a lot of why Clark Kent is such a good disguise is because the people in their universe would never believe that Superman would ever lower himself to live a normal life. He's Superman! He's saving people 24 fucking 7, 7 days a week!
No one would ever think a god like figure would be a farm boy who works as a reporter like some fucking Newsies.
That is literally why luthor hates him
@@xdevantx5870 indeed
Here I was gonna say that it was a justification monologue. But that actually might work better
When Batman's parents died in an alley right next to him it motivated him. It wasn't out of some kind of revenge against all criminals it was so that no one else would have to feel the pain he felt that day. Why the fuck would he jump down IN AN ALLEY and beat the shit out of Deadshot in front of his daughter? Can he not see the parallels between himself and Deadshot's daughter?
Flimpeen Flarmpoon excellent point!!! This needs more likes
While SS was a horrible movie did you miss the point where Bruce said he didn;t want to do this infront of the Daughter. What other chance would he have to take Deadshot in? When he was out of Gotham in a different country?
Batman didn't want to do it but the situation was kinda forced to it.
Tex Corps the thief that killed Bruce's parents also didn't wanted to kill his parents but he still did it.........Deathshot's daughter is gonna be Batgirl(joke)
He said he didn’t wanna do that in front of his daughter. HE DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT. He just wanted to cuff him and go
Tex Corps
Batman could have followed Deadshot until he was away from his daughter and then arrest him. Hiding in the shadows is one of his greatest weapons!
"I think the only movie thats gonna get released is flashpoint, and Batman has been delayed indefinitely"
well look how that turned out
I think the scene in Kill Bill that you show here actually applies more to Batman in a lot of stories than Superman. It’s a real plot point in a lot of Batman stories that he neglects being Bruce Wayne, regularly puts that section of his life on hold, and considers himself to be Batman more than Bruce. There’s a great scene in Batman: Beyond (the continuation series of Batman: The Animated Series,) where it is shown to the audience that Bruce’s inner voice calls himself “Batman,” not “Bruce”. This is fascinating, because it shows the thing that truly sets Batman apart from other heroes: his attitude and mentality. In the Justice League episode where a nightmare dude is the villain, Batman has a great line where he says, “I have one superpower, I never give up,” which is a little on the nose, but also incredibly accurate. It takes a special type of person to go through everything that Batman goes through and never waver, and it is, (in my opinion,) the best thing about his character. Kill Bill vol. 2 could have nailed this scene for comic readers if they made that switch, Although admittedly it would have confused a lot of people
I cannot thank this guy enough for defending superman. He gets so much heat for no reason
@Marvel FGC agreed. They made him so freaken distant and gave him the whole " I am an outcast, I will never belong" trope
@@dilly-dally-mations6851 And certain fans still insist with the SNyDeRVerse as if it made Superman more interesting
@@wrestlinganime4life288 yes, snyderverse made Superman interesting. It's an experimental take on the character. Why can't people just acknowledge that.I know that people hate him cause he is shown as an outcast, but that's how he was in his early days of crime fighting. Just understand that. Snyder didn't do Batman any justice. So yeah, it's not supes, but it's the bat which has been destroyed
Honestly I used to just think that Superman was the worst and most overrated character ever so I never even bothered to read any action comics or superman comics, then I started reading Justice League and it really changed my mind about him
@@danielej5856 Yeah I totally see where you’re coming from. I understand it’s an experimental take on Supes, and changes can be fine, if they work. Unfortunately, they didn’t. There’s also the fact that Superman doesn’t need to change. He’s already an interesting, inspiring, and relatable character as he is. Snyder just wasn’t able to capture or understand that IMO. Unfortunately, like u pointed out, he fucked up batman too. SMH
problem is not the heroes
the problem is they can't make movies.
gemifi wic ok so most people who are fans of marvel are because of the movies, most of them don’t even read the comics! It’s different for dc fans. I think it’s better to read the comics because that’s why there’s movies and shows anyways.
You probably did not watch the video till the end cause he said that there is no problem with the dc heroes only with the one making the movies because the heroes are being misinterpreted.
Bachelor of Bullshit you’re right I didn’t one of my favorite youtubers made a new video and I wanted to watch it
@@estherbowman6600 with how many different versions of comics there are? Nowadays modern people don't know where to start reading. You know multiverse stuff and reboots. So people nowadays suffer looking through which one is the real storyline so they just stick with the live action movies. Not to mention the time and money you need to invest on comics people prefer to watch a few hours of movie and be done with it.
Bachelor of Bullshit ok cool
I'm not a big Aquaman guy, but he doesn't "talk to fish". He COMMANDS sea life. It's not like having a conversation. He literally imbues his will onto some of the most powerful, largest, most mysterious creatures on Earth. And since we're talking 70% water here, that's most of the earth's wildlife. Enter his domain, and youre at a serious disadvantage.
Omg you are right about the sequel of wonderwoman
Finally. Someone who gets that The Lego Batman movie is the best batman movie
It's hilarious how people can think that when the Dark Knight exists.
@UCalWqIE3L5IC2jv4xvricSA legos are better fuk u
@@nikhiliyengar1510 Lego Batman was a meta movie about Batman, just Lego. It had into the Spider-Verse level vibes, and we all know that's the best Spider-Man movie
Imo. It's a difference of representation of the character spirit vs. The Hollywood representation.
Spider verse was the closest possible representation to the spirit of the character. In other words, if spiderveree was the first spiderman IP ever, we would absolutely fall in move with the character because we understand what it means to be a superhero. This is where the DCEU is getting superhero movies wrong.
This is why spiderman raimi was amazing. The infinity saga was amazing. Hell, even nolan's dark knight gets us to understand this, but more so it answers the question "what are the superhero sacrifices and consequences".
Naw
I feel this is unfair to not mention the DC Animated Movies as good adaptions of DC Material. DC’s only problem is their damn movies. They keep hiring hacks who don’t know shit
Little Girl: "...Batman! Please dont kill my dead just for wrong Parking!"
Batman "...Justice... needs to be bloody, duh..."
Also... everyone forgets about smallville :(
I love Justice League Animated Movie. Why the live action movie counterpart didn't work the same?!
Agreed
Na, he said that he loves the animated series
Snyder is the worst thing to have happened to DC since Joel Schumacher’s Batman and Robin. I think it’s even worse, because Batman and Robin at least was faithful to the campy Batman.
Coming back to give you props for predicting WW84 and The Flash being terrible way ahead of the curve! Well done!
Facts
The Flash wasn't as bad as the dumpster fire of WW84, but it still wasn't that good
Marvel really ate up that “Superman has to say goodbye to his fantasy family” with WandaVision didn’t they
When another studio can bite your material and make much more entertaining content, you should know that you're fucking up somehow
Doesn't help that aspects of wandavision are adapted from comic material that makes those characters interesting as well. Superman keeps getting done dirty.
@@_02kaye idk man I MUCH prefer the JL animated show over WandaVision.
@@legend7965 which one because if it’s unlimited I completely agree. Tbh unlimited is better than anything dc has created in the movies
@@skyejohnson2790 Unlimited is literally the best DC content that isn't comics
One of DC movie's failure is that they don't know how to develop a character in almost every movie
Ehm Wonder Woman? Shazam? Aquaman?
Wrestling Anime 4life the fact that that list includes every single movie they did it in sorta proves the point
@@wrestlinganime4life288 he said ALMOST
Overall
Yes, exactly
Indeed, they just being a typical superhero in every kid's dream. Beating aliens, evil specie who tries to invade and colonize earth and in the end the heroes win hooray
“They’re gonna fuck up the wonder woman sequel”
*as it was written*
Zack Snyder screwed it up from the beginning. How do you kill off Jimmy Olsen after just 2 movies?
i feel like everyone liked dc a little bit more up until the mcu became much more popular.
You also have to take into consideration how much flops marvel had Daredevil,Ghost Rider, Elektra(etc).
Exactly now all of a sudden dc sucks. Like gimme a fuckin break
@-pirated content- i beliveve animated movies still counts
@Deh YOUR GODDAMN RIGHT!!!!!
Dc hero’s are way more iconic and interesting than marvel
I just want people to realize that DC and Marvel are both really good
Honestly the only saving grace for DC's media now is their animated movies.
Videogame?
@@wrestlinganime4life288 That's mostly only for Batman tho
@@wrestlinganime4life288 injustice is ok but most people dont read the original imjustice comic to understand the game enough.
You're not lying. They just have good story writing and relatable characters.
@@Wickedthtz there comic books are amazing but even if a new DC movie come out. Most ppl won't watch until social media says its good.
DC when they make an animated Series/Movie: 💪😤
DC when they make a live action series/movie: 🤓
So I came back here after watching The Batman and damn, they fixed pretty much everything you critiqued. It’s easily the best live-action Batman movie ever made.
@@dvsat12 true, but that just means there’s room for more character growth!
I mean yes it was amazing but unless you are referring to just purely Batman as a character, then the best Batman related movie and comic book movie of all time is still the Dark Knight.
@@b111x you can argue that The Dark Knight the better *movie* of the two (“best comic book movie of all time” is debatable at best), but as a *Batman* movie The Batman beats The Dark Knight. Hell, in that regard Lego Batman also beats The Dark Knight.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ I agree with the 2nd part of your comment because Batman was only half of the movie and the Joker arguably had a bigger role in the Dark Knight. But as for the first part of your comment, no other superhero film compares with the Dark Knight. There is a reason out of every single movie in that genre, The Dark Knight is the main film that gets put on nearly all top 100 movie of all time lists consistently. And it is the main film in that genre that is phenomenal across all genres. The closest film would be Logan and many people consider that a superhero film only albeit it was also extremely well done. I would say The Batman is on a similar, if not, the same level as Logan in terms of quality of the film.
“I’m dying very soon”
“Yes”
I've been laughing for 10 minutes.
I’m dead
Have y'all necer watched the episode? It's really a sad ass scene.
Rip Ace.
DCEU:"I'm dying very sonn"
DC:"I Know" because of WB(Warner Bros.)
The thing most miss about Superman and what truly makes him great, is that both his weakness and best quality is his humanity.
You’ll get people like hardcore DBZ fans (a group I am part of) who think he’s some limitless god like person who is emotionless and untouchable. Then there’s the MCU fans that think he’s a goodie Boy Scout.
Mos was good
@@sun332s7 thats just because of how mainstream media represents him.
@@mineranasart6962 he's always the goody guy boy scout in the comics too
@@awesomebird7172 yea i know but hes depicted as more human in the comics unlike the movies
People really think that superman is like homelander
the whole snyderverse is basically completely ignoring the premise of DC characters and turn them all into some dark "anti-hero", because 30 year old kids like things dark.
You know the sign that Batman directors don’t get Batman? They never showcased his intellect properly. He’s always a Ninja, a Rich Multi Billionaire, an Icon of Fear, but almost never The World’s Greatest Detective.
And Robert Patterson's batman is all about the Detective
Hopefully Matt Reeves can deliver.
Christopher Nolan did.
Also, a guy who wants to protect everyone, even the villains. That's why he tries to pacify them and put them behind the bar.
They never show his compassion either. They never show the guy who adopted 5 kids. The guy who kids of Gotham look up to. The guy who Steph would look into the sky and pray would come. The guy Tim Drake signed up to help. The guy who plays with kids when there scared to help them feel safe. The guy who you can count on to protect you no matter what.
I laughed so hard when you used the touching Batman holding hands scene to him brutally beating up some dude.
How are you watching youtube in prison?
I broke out
Holy crap dude I am dying. That’s hilarious
But yall gotta admit, the warehouse scene is cool
Fr
It’s so weird that Snyder has Superman act like Dr Manhattan. These movies aren’t Watchmen.
He is a good old country boy. He grew up on a farm.
And also, Snyder DIDN’T EVEN GET THE POINT OF WATCHMEN. He completely ignores the Bernies. The point of the story isn’t that humanity should know about Ozymandias’ plan because the peace that they have achieved is based on a lie, it’s that Ozymandias is fundamentally wrong about humanity.
They didn't fuck up The Batman (2022)
Lmao it look DC like 40 years to finally get Batman right.
It look Marvel one try to get Iron Man right.
It should be "The problem with the DCEU Films"
agreed, at first i thought he's gonna talk about DC Characters in general.
That video would that like... Forever
😅 i take it back🤣
@@flalruatpuia4137 He doesn't even like the MCU that much
ruatpuia fanai are you dumb
“You can’t have a character who’s motivations are solely based around their love interest” laughs in women in movies having whose entire character development revolves around a big strong man.
"Laughs in..." *inserts essay*
@@oooooofburger4232 no. Just no
@@oooooofburger4232 For the sake of the argument, let's say this is true. Why wouldn't it be natural for character growth of a man to be entirely shaped by a woman, he looks up to? And why the same argument couldn't be applied to this scenario if the genders were reversed?
Also I would like to ask what you mean with "we're leaders". Did you mean that man usually take more initiative in a relationship, so you consider them leaders?
P.s. Sorry if this is to long, I didn't want to make to much assumptions.
@@elhaamaweis1370 really?
@@oooooofburger4232 You could be branded as incel tbh
Here after watching The Batman for the third time. I wish I could see Batfleck’s version because I LOVED Pattinson’s version. It does make me curious to how much changed
kinda glad i became a fan of dc via the fanfiction because most of that is created by people who really care about the characters
I'm a fan of Cavill's superman, but it was such a treat to watch Superman from Superman & Lois. He's such a chill dad and just a great Clark
Ikr
I’m a marvel fan, don’t really watch dc stuff but I really like superman and Lois. So far the show is great I love it
@ANTHONY THOMAS wait what? Why????
@ANTHONY THOMAS I thought they’re done filming?
cavill is awesome it's a shame he was wasted on the dceu. also i'm a bit bias because cavill is a w40k fan (we need a 40k movie with cavill as captain general of the custodes or even just the emperor himself)
“They’re going to fuck up the Wonder Woman sequel”
“Do you often dream things that happen just as you dream them?”
Can’t wait for that movie to come out
@@Ismael-kc3ry its been out since January
@@anastpro1558 yep, that’s the joke
@@Ismael-kc3ry then I deserve an r/woosh lol
@@anastpro1558 naw, I’ll let you off the hook
I always thought ben Affleck batman was too fat as a kid. 😂
"I really hope Flash doesn't get ruined" Ezra Miller: