The Council Forcecast Episode 22: Darth Plagueis - Part 2: Apprenticed to Power (Legends Archives)

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  • Опубліковано 25 лип 2016
  • Sorry it's late. We recorded this two weeks ago but I've been extremely busy and didn't have time to edit and upload until now. I hope you all enjoy!

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  • @CommandoNarco12
    @CommandoNarco12 8 років тому +10

    I love Reti's commitment to defending the Jedi & upholding morality. My favorite Jedi are those who refuse to create excuses to compromise their morality. It is a great show of character and discernment.

    • @Reti4
      @Reti4  8 років тому +7

      Thanks very much, I just wish I was more eloquent about it when I'm being recorded. I'm usually much better at getting my points across than you see in these episodes.

  • @DB6195
    @DB6195 8 років тому +34

    Council Gaunlet:
    Plagueis walks in to the council room
    "Alright maggots listen up! Plagueis is about to you the pecking order: It goes you, the dirt, the worms inside the dirt, Plagueis' stool, Palpatine, then Plagueis. Any questiions?
    Coleman Trebor: Yes, wh-
    *Plagueis blast him out of the tower"
    Plagueis: Enjoy the climb back up, bitch!

    • @robgeorge4581
      @robgeorge4581 7 років тому

      +DB6195 The pecking order is actually Coleman Trebor>everyone.

    • @spookasaur3132
      @spookasaur3132 6 років тому +2

      Know this is late, but Coleman Trebor is secretly Snoke.

  • @Venneroth
    @Venneroth 7 років тому +11

    Luceno should have gone balls to the wall on the Maul thing. It's not like it will make sense anyway!
    "Ow...my head...the hell? Well, better call Plagueis...Master, my mission to Dathomir was a success."
    "Sidious? Why. Do you have. A Zabrak baby?"
    "...I don't really remember."

  • @maarifawalcott5145
    @maarifawalcott5145 5 років тому +9

    Love the Darth Plagueis novel. I think Luceno is the best story teller of the Star Wars brand.

  • @EvanNova95
    @EvanNova95 8 років тому +39

    My sincerest apologies for my less lively then usual performance in this episode. Shortly before we were sett to record this, I had just finished recording 1/3 of my Darth Bane VS Shaak Ti video, so I was a bit tired and my voice was horse. Hopefully you guys still enjoy our review.

    • @pvtspartan
      @pvtspartan 8 років тому +7

      we love ya, don't worry. lol

    • @AntoineBandele
      @AntoineBandele 7 років тому +7

      We will have a vote video coming up in the final part of our review.

    • @analothor
      @analothor 2 роки тому

      No worries

  • @ariesstorm9577
    @ariesstorm9577 4 роки тому +8

    Since Son of Dathomir retcons Maul’s origin (yet again), I view that part of the Darth Plagueis novel as being a lie that Palpatine tells his master. He knows Plagueis will identify the infant as a Nightbrother, however he kept secret the fact that he was the son of the leader of the Nightsisters. He knows Plagueis will berate him for causing unnecessary conflict with potential allies in the future, so he concocts this story that a Nightsister gives him her son to save him from a life of servitude to Mother Talzin.
    Plus this is such a Palpatine thing to do, if he can deceive his own Sith Master then he will be more confidant in deceiving the Jedi Order the more he interacts with its leading members.
    “You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”

  • @omnitool1586
    @omnitool1586 8 років тому +49

    Jensaarai1 is good at stirring the pot with out of the box notions. GreyJedi91 is really knowledgeable and down to earth. Antoine is good at leading and directing the conversations. Reti4 is like Spock, nothing less than what is logical. Evan is good at . . . Listening and summarizing.

    • @jarodthedarkjedi6310
      @jarodthedarkjedi6310 8 років тому +28

      They are the perfect group to represent the Hardcore Star Wars Fanbase. I have round tale discussions with my friends at school like they do, and each of us sound like one of them. I listen to this, and I have my lunch table conversations about the Force and Lightsaber combat back for the summer. These guys are the best, and are so painfully underrated.

    • @HTVBlu
      @HTVBlu 5 років тому

      YOU CAN ADMIRE DR MENGELE?

  • @AkosKovacs.Author.Musician
    @AkosKovacs.Author.Musician 8 років тому +13

    *Steps out of stasis chamber*
    *lights a cigarette*
    Hah sooner then I expected.

  • @red9mm
    @red9mm 5 років тому +5

    The philosophy debate around the 20 min mark is great. It’s great to see what I do/don’t agree with in the debate.

  • @maxkogan3785
    @maxkogan3785 8 років тому +7

    The only way that I see Windu coming back is that he finds out that the Jedi Order is dead and there's nothing he can do about it and see he retreats into exile. In his exile, he scours the galaxy for force-sensitive beings in the hopes of rebuilding the Jedi Order. However, he knows that be needs time rebuild so he remains hidden, training the next generation of Jedi(perhaps even Ahsoka, but doubtful) for years to come. However, one day he is found by one of the inquisitors or Vader, where the empire will respond by sending an invasion led by Vader and every single inquisitor in the Empire (and perhaps even the Emperor himself) where a hard fought battle would ensue. Though Mace and the Jedi fight valiantly, but are inevitably defeated by the Empire and the forces of the Darkside.

  • @cebenify
    @cebenify 8 років тому +3

    That Cognus fanfic makes me wish that Jensaaraai1 was a legitimate writer of Star wars Canon. He would make it so much better.

  • @samuelmembrino5295
    @samuelmembrino5295 7 років тому +2

    Connor wasn't saying that the jedi separate martial training from force training. He was saying that the Jedi separate PHILOSOPHY from their practical focuses, while sith try to actively meld PHILOSOPHY and practical focuses

  • @jerec1267
    @jerec1267 8 років тому +21

    im just about to go to bed when a notification pops up that this is uploaded
    well there goes another 2.5 hours of my sleep

  • @ethanfleming9016
    @ethanfleming9016 8 років тому +11

    Ah the ampristaff a Savage weapon from a more ravenous age not as clumsy or random as a weird spinning electro baton

  • @GAdmThrawn
    @GAdmThrawn 8 років тому +15

    Faloni has admitted to being the one who came up with the helicopter lightsabers in the finale. You can blame it on him.

    • @jonas1015119
      @jonas1015119 8 років тому +2

      There is canon source (dont know which atm) that says there are repulsors in the lightsaber rings, which makes more sence than spinning plasma creating anything at all. Still a stupid idea, why not just jepacks, or even Cad Bane rocket boots?

    • @MPPRODUCTIONSger
      @MPPRODUCTIONSger 8 років тому +4

      +MegaCreepermann selling toys matey... selling toys

    • @jonas1015119
      @jonas1015119 8 років тому

      MPPRODUCTIONSger But thats not what Dave would do, hes not a marketing person, its more like they come up with a "cool" idea, and think its ok since it is a series mainly focused on teens/kids

    • @darkrad7535
      @darkrad7535 8 років тому +2

      i hate those helicoptershit.. your name tells me u love thrawn as i do, nice!

    • @jonas1015119
      @jonas1015119 8 років тому +2

      DarkraD K. As probably anyone commenting here does, hope they dont screw him up in Rebels

  • @robgeorge4581
    @robgeorge4581 8 років тому +8

    Someone on the Council needs to go to a college fantasy literature class and give a lecture on the Star Wars EU. I would be totally down for that. Jensarrai1 would be the nutty professor, Antoine would be that cool young guy, Reti would have all the fangirls, and GreyJedi would be the wise old sage.

  • @OrtegaSeason
    @OrtegaSeason 8 років тому +4

    I agree with Jensaarai, "reactionary" is the perfect word to describe TFA. You can't even call it just conservative because it actually uses a narrower range of imagery than that seen in the OT.

  • @williamhenning4700
    @williamhenning4700 8 років тому +8

    2:40 - Rahm Kota did survive a drop from the atmosphere as well after he had been blinded and choked by Galen.
    4:30 - Ah, you address the above example. Good, good.
    2:22:40 - Sidious is wary of pretty much any threat to his rule. He isolates Dathomir because of Gethzerion and her feats don't place her above even Galen Marek as of Felucia. Hell he was ever wary enough of Galen to have ordered his death upon hearing of his existence though he of course reconsidered this having his body recovered and had Vader set him to revealing Rebels. Even Cronal was someone Sidious didn't want to train in fear of him becoming a threat to his rule.
    Didn't really have much to say after 2 hours of that. Evan you didn't talk much. That's all I really noted.

  • @ariesstorm9577
    @ariesstorm9577 8 років тому

    It's great to see all 5 of you guys back together again for these council meetings

  • @matthewkellar9757
    @matthewkellar9757 8 років тому +2

    I feel Reti4 is more the old order: He's old and wise and understand the force in a calm way, just by the way he speaks. GreyJedi is kind of the same, but wishes to learn mistakes rather then join a order. Evan and Antoine are the new order: trying to understand the mistake of the jedi of the old. And Jen sounds more he's into learning about the old and ancient sith. Like Indiana Jones, almost.

  • @Mrshadowman460
    @Mrshadowman460 8 років тому +1

    this was the first book I read of the Star Wars EU and I have been watching all of you guys for a while so I understood quite a bit

  • @jacksonwolfe-smith4711
    @jacksonwolfe-smith4711 8 років тому

    Good to see this out. I really enjoyed it looking forward to part three especially the Council Gauntlet :]

  • @pvtspartan
    @pvtspartan 8 років тому +5

    Yey! My question was chosen! btw it's just "Stretch" for future reference... the Xs are just a hold over from my edgy teenager days.

  • @fraggerungxzv8ij
    @fraggerungxzv8ij 8 років тому +1

    A great addition to my favourite podcast

  • @wjb-wt6sc
    @wjb-wt6sc 8 років тому +17

    Can you guys do Shatterpoint next? I think that book captured a lot of what makes Mace Windu likable and it's not your typical SW book.

  • @thatguy3222
    @thatguy3222 8 років тому

    been waiting for this glad to see you all doing well

  • @kestrelraptorial689
    @kestrelraptorial689 8 років тому +7

    Yes! I want a "Mandalorian Wars" Netflix series!

  • @pvtspartan
    @pvtspartan 8 років тому +5

    Loving the regular uploads!!!

    • @Reti4
      @Reti4  8 років тому +3

      They should remain regular, more so than this really, for the forseeable.

  • @jarodthedarkjedi6310
    @jarodthedarkjedi6310 8 років тому

    The Plaguies the Wise conversation is the best. This is why I love this show. I can't breath I'm laughing so hard!!

    • @Reti4
      @Reti4  8 років тому +1

      'Glad we could entertain :)
      That opera scene is a comedy all by itself though really.

    • @jarodthedarkjedi6310
      @jarodthedarkjedi6310 8 років тому +1

      Reti4 Over holiday break, I had all my buddies over and we watched all 6 films, and we all where impersonating Palpatine and the way he spoke

    • @jarodthedarkjedi6310
      @jarodthedarkjedi6310 8 років тому

      +Reti4 Would the council be willing to weigh in on the various theories on the identity of Supreme Leader Snoke? Personally I like the Plaigues theory, though the Ezra theory I heard from you guys is equally intriguing.

  • @jasonwolfe4205
    @jasonwolfe4205 2 роки тому +1

    "What's about to happen in GoT." You mean how it came to a climax and then suddenly imploded. I know this was in 2016 but still that was oddly prophetic.

  • @levifontaine8186
    @levifontaine8186 6 років тому +2

    If you kill of the Rebels characters, make sure it's Sheev who does the killing. And make sure he trolls the shit out of them while doing it.

  • @CielBlanche
    @CielBlanche 8 років тому +4

    AWWWW YEAH PART 2 WITH THE FULL CREW

    • @Reti4
      @Reti4  8 років тому +6

      'Apologies for the delay. I hope you enjoy/enjoyed the episode.

  • @superbobcat612
    @superbobcat612 7 років тому +7

    Please make a versus episode of Revan and hk-47 vs Anakin Skywalker and Captain Rex

    • @Eltrio2
      @Eltrio2 5 років тому +1

      Revan stomps Anakin but hk v Rex is interesting.

  • @banethesithari
    @banethesithari 8 років тому +1

    wow got to say i didn't believe you when you said you'd start regularly uploading but you've done it and you picked my question !

  • @GAdmThrawn
    @GAdmThrawn 8 років тому +3

    Better get your popcorn ready. This is going to be a long one.
    I would like to see a follow-up podcast discussing the announcements and anything of interest that came from Celebration.
    1:00:00 Ah, yes, I remember that scene. It felt slightly jarring at first as it was a step away from the main plot, and as you say, was handled very clunky. At the time of reading, Darth Maul had returned and it fit with the show, so I perceived it as another connection to the wider universe in much of the same way as I had done to EU references.
    1:17:00 While the TCW episode didn't really effect Syfo Dias and his death (apart from the lightsaber changing from Grievous to a crash and the placement of Dias's body), the other retcon that happened in that episode and, one that really jarred me, was that Finis Valorum was still alive and living on the retirement mansion when he should be dead by now. The comic that detailed this was Star Wars Republic #61, and it actually made him a far more intriguing character. Now in the new canon he's just a plot device.
    It would be interesting to see if the new EU of Star Wars is told through movies while the old EU would be told through Netflix series.

  • @DB6195
    @DB6195 8 років тому +1

    Of course you guys would release this when I have to go out of town for 2 days
    Well at least I'll have something to look forward to when I come back

    • @Reti4
      @Reti4  8 років тому +1

      'Apologies, I hope you enjoy it when you get back and have a nice time while you're away.

  • @dreaddark2861
    @dreaddark2861 7 років тому +2

    OHHHHH Grey JEdi makes another appearance WOOHHH!!!!!
    Also will Reti ever uhhhh narrate more audio books or something.
    I want more Narrations, hell tell the Exar kun story. Tell Lore stories that voice is marketable.
    Grey Jedi needs to narrate audio books as well, seriously.

  • @mitchelldunn9149
    @mitchelldunn9149 8 років тому

    Lookin forward to this all day! Also Jen! longer hair is great on yeh.

  • @HarbingerOfBattle
    @HarbingerOfBattle 8 років тому

    Can't wait to see the forcecast of Bane trilogy!

  • @aminzakariaawed6197
    @aminzakariaawed6197 8 років тому

    I love this videos keep it up guys☺️👍🏽

  • @ariesstorm9577
    @ariesstorm9577 4 роки тому +1

    Was anybody else expecting to read the description of Plagueis' lightsaber in the novel and hoping that it sounds almost identical to Vader's hilt?

  • @DB6195
    @DB6195 8 років тому +1

    According to the revenge of the sith script, Windu actually partially deflected Palpatine's Lightning. Hence why he was just burnt instead of outright disintegrated

  • @xRadinox
    @xRadinox 7 років тому

    IM LOving it :D

  • @a.mostert800
    @a.mostert800 8 років тому

    Besany Wennen Definately deserves her own Netflix drama about her investigations into the republic treasury.

  • @pvtspartan
    @pvtspartan 8 років тому +8

    isn't TR-8R's weapon actually used like that in real life? I've seen policemen spin their batons to creat momentum for more powerful strikes. we know that TR-8R was personally offended by Finn's betrayal... omg I'm defending episode 7 kill me.

  • @jonathancampbell5231
    @jonathancampbell5231 8 років тому +1

    I tend to think that a lot of what Plaguies says and thinks about the Sith philosophy is as much a reflection of his Muun upbringing as anything else. From his own internal commentary, the Muun (or at least, the wealthy class Muun that he belongs to) are ambitious and elitists, but also about the collective good and the advancement of the many (albeit as led by the few).
    Basically, it's hard to imagine a Sith like, say, Darth Malgus having the same view of Jedi vs Sith philosophy as Plaguies has, of it being stagnation vs progress etc., since so much of what Plaguies believes is a reflection of both his own personality and of the culture he grew up in and belonged to. In a way he falls short of what it truly means to be a Sith, which is in truth entirely about being a selfish bastard who cares only for his or herself and pursuing ones own power and ambition at the expense of everyone and everything else, and seeing the rest of the galaxy- including the Force- as something that exists to serve rather than to be served.

  • @kestrelraptorial689
    @kestrelraptorial689 7 років тому +1

    I have another question/idea for you all: what about a book series that covers events mentioned somewhere in the Expanded Universe / Legends, but that hasn't been explored yet and could open up the potential for interesting new stories? I've always wondered, for example, what Revan was like as a padawan under Master Arren Kae, and what adventures he had, something like a new Jedi Apprentice series, with Revan, Malak, and their fellow padawans in that time period, taking place just following the aftermath of the war against Exar Kun?

  • @williambacon9843
    @williambacon9843 5 років тому +2

    Hey Fanalysis, what do you think of this fan cast for a Darth Plagueis TV show.
    .Domhnall-Gleeson as Sheev Palpatin/Darth Sidious
    .Ian Mckellen as Hugo Demask/Darth Plageus.
    .Sarah Bolger as Sade Palpatin, Sheev’s sister.
    .Natalie Dormer as Padme Thule/ later Palpatin, Sheev and Sade’s mother.
    (Appers in flashback)
    .Tadanobu Asano as Sifo-Dyas.
    .Adam Driver as Jedi Knight Dooku.
    (Appears in one episode)

    • @Jedi_Spartan_38
      @Jedi_Spartan_38 5 років тому +2

      So two Sequel Trilogy actors and one Magneto...

    • @Jedi_Spartan_38
      @Jedi_Spartan_38 4 роки тому +2

      Ray Park should be Maul and Sam Witwer should definitely do the voice.

  • @sinistavoicez
    @sinistavoicez 8 років тому

    Gr8 video

  • @matthewwhite4564
    @matthewwhite4564 8 років тому

    yay!!!!! *happy dance* my day has been made!

    • @matthewwhite4564
      @matthewwhite4564 8 років тому

      on a note about the comment Reti made about Luke getting burnt by Sidious's lightning. I always looked at that scene as Sidious is using low powered lightning to slowly torture Luke to death, whereas with Windu he was intending to insta-fry Windu

    • @Reti4
      @Reti4  8 років тому +1

      I KNEW someone would bring this up :)
      Yeah I know he was slow cooking him to begin with, but the "Now, Young Skywalker, you will die" bit kind of signaled the deep fry portion of the lightning in my eyes, which he then survives for the thirty seconds I was referencing.
      It's open to interpretation of course, but that's just my take on it. (There's also the fact that Mace's force defenses were, at that point in Luke's life, leeeeagues ahead to consider. Not to mention Mace's whole Vaapad effect, which would no doubt shield him further.)

    • @matthewwhite4564
      @matthewwhite4564 8 років тому

      Hmm whether or not he was using his deep fry or slow kill, could go either way.
      true, Mace did have way better defenses, but he did lose a hand and was caught off guard when Palpatine insta-fried him. wouldn't that have kinda rendered his defenses kinda inoperative?

    • @jordanreed3675
      @jordanreed3675 8 років тому +1

      +Reti4 why are you referring to death by force lightening with cooking references, I can understand why you do it but it still puzzles me

  • @samuelmembrino5295
    @samuelmembrino5295 8 років тому

    I want a qui gon jin netflix series like a few months before he took obi as his padawan, and up until the start of the naboo crisis

  • @SheevPalpatine
    @SheevPalpatine 7 років тому

    I never knew how bad I wanted Jedi Knight Garrus Vakarian until now.

  • @matthewsands1572
    @matthewsands1572 8 років тому

    As much as I am looking forward to the gauntlet, it is hard to imagine anyone other than Mace and Yoda having a hope against Plagueis.
    People can debate whether he is superior to Sidious but most would agree that they are comparable.
    Considering Sidious disposed of 3 Jedi Masters who are (at least in universe) considered to be literally the finest of the order with only Yoda, Windu and maybe Kenobi rated above them, and considering the ridiculous ease with which he killed all 3 (certainly the first two) it seems like it would be hard to make a case for any other council member standing a chance.
    The likes of Fisto, Shaak Ti, Plo Koon and of course Kenobi would likely put up a fight to varying degrees but the rest probably would die insantly, much like Tiin and Kolar did against Sidious, and none would stand any chance of actually defeating Plagueis.
    At least that is my opinion, I look forward to hearing you guys make cases for and againat various Jedi.

  • @Tyrodin
    @Tyrodin 7 років тому +7

    Yo Reti, absolutely love Forcecast man, you and the lads have a great dynamic! Just wondering when is the next Forcecast and will it be covering Rogue One? Thanks mate!

    • @Reti4
      @Reti4  7 років тому +5

      Hi Tyrodin, thanks very much! The next episode will indeed be Rogue One and we'll be getting it done as soon as possible.

    • @Tyrodin
      @Tyrodin 7 років тому +1

      Can't wait brother! Stay safe and may the Force be with you!

    • @nicholasmaslennikov2128
      @nicholasmaslennikov2128 7 років тому

      Reti4 Can't wait, I thought it was even better than The Force Awakens, and I liked that movie a lot.

    • @venomous_venom3235
      @venomous_venom3235 7 років тому

      Get hyped for Rogue one review on forcecast

  • @raginginnuendo4113
    @raginginnuendo4113 8 років тому +1

    Question for your next force cast: how do you think plagueis and sidious would've coped if they were found out before they could implement the sith grand plan?

  • @tannerlowrie8084
    @tannerlowrie8084 7 років тому

    I'd choose to edit the direction of Episode 8 because there's 1 thing I want to add. Put in 1 character who found such a balance between the light and dark sides of the Force, that he's even on par with people like Grandmaster Luke. Then, make him rub it in by curb stomping Kylo Ren and Rey (and maybe Finn). Then, in episode 9, have him turn to the dark side, but lose most of his power because he lost his balance.

  • @lunarceltgaming4968
    @lunarceltgaming4968 6 років тому +1

    Going of that comment about netflix series id love to see one done for kyle kataran following him from his time as an imperial operative to about the time of the new jedi order being made,

  • @m.rr.e.5297
    @m.rr.e.5297 7 років тому

    Good work. I was wondering if you know when we can expect the episode 26 and 27 to be uploaded on to UA-cam and is there an episode 29 in the works

  • @fairytalejediftj7041
    @fairytalejediftj7041 8 років тому +4

    I love the Mace/Palpatine duel in the movie. I don't know what y'all watching. That was awesome. :)

    • @AntoineBandele
      @AntoineBandele 8 років тому +11

      It was pretty horrendous to me, especially Ian McDiarmid's awkward farting faces.

    • @matthewsands1572
      @matthewsands1572 8 років тому +4

      Well I don't know what you were watching. It looked slow, clumsy and more like two out of shape and aging actors playing sword fighting than a Sith Lord and Jedi Master duelling. And don't even get me started on how pathetic it looked when he killed the other 3 Jedi, especially the first two.
      Each to their own I guess, but I thought it looked awful and was one of the worst choreographed fights I have ever seen. I would expect a school play to be more convincing

    • @ariesstorm9577
      @ariesstorm9577 8 років тому +1

      +Antoine Bandele for some reason I would have preferred a more classical fencing style, especially if using a stage actor like Ian mcdiarmid. Stage fencing may have worked better and relied less on those awkward close up shots. Keep Mace fighting the way he does but Sidious uses pure, traditional Makashi to redirect and riposte trying to penetrate Windu's defence. What do you think?

    • @SGK1206
      @SGK1206 8 років тому +1

      Not as bad as anakin and dooku twirling
      Their sabers infront of their faces in attack of the clones

    • @The_Space_Born
      @The_Space_Born 8 років тому +5

      It was still better than that god-awful shitty fight in TFA.

  • @FellsApprentice
    @FellsApprentice 8 років тому +2

    can you do at least one of the Republic Commandos novels? I feel they are extremely underrated and because they are also controversial it would make a good set of forcecasts. Personally, I suggest "Triple Zero" or "True Colors"

  • @samwaller2137
    @samwaller2137 8 років тому

    Hi. Council love your videos

  • @fairytalejediftj7041
    @fairytalejediftj7041 8 років тому

    Regarding dark side degredation, I'm skeptical that it even happens because it's so inconsistent as Antoine allueded to. But assuming that it does happen, I would guess it has to do with channeling Force energy through the midi-chlorians in your cells. Using the dark side is channeling energy selfishly, so it literally pulls energy away from the normal functions of your body in order to allow you to twist the Force like that. Using the dark side is like taking Force steroids. It could be literally bad for you in the long term on a cellular level, though in the short term it can give you a definite boost.

  • @ariesstorm9577
    @ariesstorm9577 4 роки тому

    The only character that should come back from the dead now is Darth Plagueis, just so I can see the look on Palpatine’s face.
    I know he won’t since his ashes were sat in Palpatine’s office for over a decade. Still, that would be a Star Wars film I would want to see.

  • @thrawncaedusl717
    @thrawncaedusl717 7 років тому +1

    Any story can be fixed. What I would do for episode 8 is introduce Jag Fel as an imperial defector who was horrified by starkiller base, and brings with him a ship and knowledge allowing him to lead Poe and Finn in successfully gaining the advantage and capturing Kylo Ren (after an intense dogfight). Meanwhile we would see Rey being seriously trained by Luke as well as officially learning their relationship. In the climax, Rey (empowered by Luke's battle meditation) would confront Luke. At one point Rey would be overcome by Snoke's lightning and Luke would transfer it to himself, killing himself but giving Rey the opportunity to strike down Snoke. But Snoke would return in the end, setting up episode 9 to be a twisted version of dark empire, with Rey playing the role of Luke, and Ren playing the role of Leia. At the end of the trilogy, Jag would be head of imperial remnant (with implied future romance between him and Rey), Rey and Ren would be founding a new Jedi order, and everything would be set up for Disney to follow this up with anything. They likely won't do anything that works that well, but they could.

    • @user-ev6xk8vw3g
      @user-ev6xk8vw3g 4 місяці тому

      wrong the st cannot be fixed if luke han and leia deaths and how they die and them being failures remains canon

  • @williamsullivan7818
    @williamsullivan7818 7 років тому +1

    Whos they. What the hells an aluminum falcon. okay so whos left

  • @MastaKilla63
    @MastaKilla63 8 років тому

    What program do you guys use for changing the pictures and arranging the camera screens and stuff?

  • @edithume5175
    @edithume5175 8 років тому +2

    To clear the myth that this is a the new canon sucks podcast. You should do a episode about the New Canon stuff that you actually like. I'm quite surprise Jensaari1 likes the new Darth Vader comics.

  • @raginginnuendo4113
    @raginginnuendo4113 8 років тому

    Me happy now :)

  • @pvtspartan
    @pvtspartan 8 років тому +2

    >We like long Podcast gais.

  • @mattmaughan6871
    @mattmaughan6871 8 років тому

    a request for the next forcecast;
    There are several great real world lightsaber combat groups online these days, i have never heard any of the council ever mention them or review any of them. i for one would really like to see your opinions and thoughts on them.

  • @starwarfan8342
    @starwarfan8342 8 років тому

    I wonder if the sith had taken over under plagueis, would there have ever even been a need for a Rebellion.

  • @Jedi_Spartan_38
    @Jedi_Spartan_38 5 років тому +1

    1:39:50 sounds like the Rogue One Vader scene on steroids, ×100

  • @noelrose7419
    @noelrose7419 8 років тому +4

    Not, darth plagueis related, i just wanted to comment on the rebels talk. I don't even get the inquisitors existence at this point. Like what do they do? They've had trouble with padawans. They would be less than worthless against a knight let alone a master, so why does the empire have them? Is vader too busy? Way back when i was a kid i thought that vader himself had killed all the remaining jedi. Then the eu showed mara jade and other key agents who could go after the remaining jedi and they were all skilled at doing so. Why have people like the inquisitors who are so useless going after targets so powerful?

    • @phenjaws569
      @phenjaws569 7 років тому +1

      My feelings exactly.

    • @Historyfan476AD
      @Historyfan476AD 6 років тому +2

      they serve to act as sacrificial sniffer dogs. they sense force users and found Padawan and Jedi. they normally can kill a Padawan but will get slaughtered by anyone higher. but when they do get killed Vader knows there a force user of reasonable power in that location and then he goes and puts them down. they get rid of the weak not worth Vader's time threats and serve as scouts to found tougher prey.

  • @jonathanwalters9156
    @jonathanwalters9156 7 років тому +1

    this question is similar to a earlier one and before you say anything I know that if you had a choice you guys would be jedi even if conner is iffy but if you were sith what do you think each others down fall by ether stubbornness or apprentice etc I understand if you don't do this question keep up the grate work

  • @starwarfan8342
    @starwarfan8342 8 років тому

    A full CF roll call?
    Impossible

  • @HyugaBlood881
    @HyugaBlood881 8 років тому

    +Reti4
    do u have any plans for versus battles I really enjoy them

  • @shadowgamera7065
    @shadowgamera7065 8 років тому

    Once you think about it the desgin of a single bladed lightsaber is impactalical(can not spell). One wrong move and you are dead or missing body parts. It is cool but not possible to use.

  • @irvingramirez2335
    @irvingramirez2335 4 роки тому

    1:18:24 them fighting words homie 😂😂😂

  • @petergorombey3249
    @petergorombey3249 8 років тому

    Hello I have a question for the council. What do you think of the idea that Snoke is a very old and damaged Palpatine? considering Snokes intrest in Skywalkers and reluctance to completely train Kylo Ren. Not to forget Snoke's insistence on building of another planet destroying weapon. Not to mention that Palpatine witness first hand the rise and fall of the Galactic Empire. Thank you .

  • @DB6195
    @DB6195 8 років тому +2

    Can we get an Angel Season 5 like ending for Rebels season 3.
    Please

  • @papadragon695
    @papadragon695 6 років тому

    Please ask Jensaarai1 if he is open to a Darth Sion vs Kaox Krul vid

  • @lyconxero457
    @lyconxero457 8 років тому

    I'm not sure if you've mentioned it anywhere before, but what are your thoughts on the new canon established for lightsaber colors? I'm personally hoping that we'll start seeing MORE colors and get away from the plain Jane red, blue and green.

    • @AntoineBandele
      @AntoineBandele 8 років тому

      Seems to be already going that route. We've got blue, green, red, yellow and white so far.

    • @lyconxero457
      @lyconxero457 8 років тому

      Antoine Bandele My three favorite lightsaber colors which I use in my own personal blades are purple, cyan and amber so I'd love to see characters not only have these colors but for them (Star Wars) to explain exactly what about the characters caused their crystals to become these colors and for it to have a significant meaning. They did this for Ashoka and her white crystals but I want to see it for many, many more colors in the future.

  • @a.mostert800
    @a.mostert800 8 років тому

    Besany Wennen definately deserves a drama netflix.

  • @starnerd1366
    @starnerd1366 8 років тому

    First book I read was OR deceived than plagueis which were awesome and amazing reads

  • @samuelmembrino5295
    @samuelmembrino5295 8 років тому

    You could wield a guard shoto more effectively

  • @james739123
    @james739123 8 років тому +2

    yes, yes, yes, Exar Kun tv show, do it

  • @johanlindgren5801
    @johanlindgren5801 8 років тому

    When will part 3 be up?

  • @Brospokenerd424
    @Brospokenerd424 8 років тому

    Not gonna lie a slightly toned down Sith philosophy seems pretty great to me.

  • @johnjjenkins8580
    @johnjjenkins8580 7 років тому

    Agree

  • @enordacgregorovitch2715
    @enordacgregorovitch2715 8 років тому

    Do you think it's possible to do versus series with KotFE characters like Arcann or Vaylin ?

    • @AntoineBandele
      @AntoineBandele 7 років тому +2

      I'm planning on using Arcann after the next expansion is released.

  • @wjb-wt6sc
    @wjb-wt6sc 8 років тому

    I don't think Sam Jackson's head canon means anything, rather it's the fact that it has been corroborated by Lucas and Filloni. That being said I'd rather not have him come back, Mace's death is the figurative and literal nail in the coffin for the Jedi Order as we knew it and to cheapen that by saying "oh he just had a great fall" disrespects Mace,his death, and Anakin's fall.
    Anyway, great video gents.

  • @edithume5175
    @edithume5175 7 років тому

    When will the next episode be published?

  • @brenntantor1634
    @brenntantor1634 7 років тому

    One of the similar star wars talk videos had a message towards the audience to propose new subjects to talk about.
    I came up with council topics worth discussing! :)

    • @brenntantor1634
      @brenntantor1634 7 років тому +1

      01. Jerec, Sariss, Desann. 3 late legends dark jedi who defying their nature really resembled actual sith in one or more aspects of their mindset. Who agrees and who doesn't?
      02. Debate the 3 most iconic crime lords and/or organizations of all the ones existing in star wars! Everyone give their personal favorite top 3 list!
      03. Debate all the ligtsaber resistant and force conducting materials in star wars regarding their practicality in actual use!
      04. Which are the most underutilized planets in the franchise showcased in games, movies, animation? Everyone pick 5 beforehand, then compare notes if there are any connections!
      05. Which are the most underutilized races in star wars portrayed as force users? Pitch a force sect for them that has combative teachings, and also denote a lightsaber form (or two) for them! For example Falleen - > Sith - > Niman.
      06. Which are the lesser known force sects of the franchise which could hypothetically train individuals who could combatively be rivals to most well known sith or jedi?
      07. Give credit to the more obscure but still perfectly grounded and non-ridiculous lightsaber designs! Everyone portray their own choice and try to concince the rest that their choice is superior!
      08. Who would win? Imperial Knights vs Mandalorian Knights vs Jensaarai vs Knights of Zakuul
      09. Which old expanded universe vehicle should appear in the new canon limelight? AT-PT? AT-AA? etc...
      10. The Muun vs The Pau'ans! Tall people! Who would make the more capable (mostly) melee force user saber wielders?
      11. Mon Calamari, Quarrens, Nautolans, Selkath! Out of the 4 most well known aquatic races, who are the most versatile in all possible battle situations as jedi or sith?
      12. Trandoshans, Barabels, Chistori, Ssi-Ruu! Out of the 4 most known reptilian races, force+saber users were really rare if not non-existent. Explain how each would benefit from having a new jedi or sith character! NONE of them should be deaf to the force!
      13. Aside from Grievous and a few obscure entries, cybernetic prosthetics were really just showcased with humanoids! What is the reason behind this? Pitch new races that would benefit from cybernetics with storytelling!
      14. Do some research work and define the somewhat exact BBY creation date of the 7 classical lightsaber forms and Jar'Kai! (I already have notes on Vaapad and Trispzest, because they are easy.)
      15. Has there been any instances when irridonian and dathomiri zabrak mingled and/or interbred? Kao-Cen Darach BTW looks kinda suspicious!
      16. Wookiees and Talz! Could they be effective allies? Perhaps a successful master apprentice relationship in a force sect? Which of them is superior? Alternatively: Who would win in a showdown without force, using only ranged guns, melee weapons, and unarmed combat?
      17. Will Kylo Ren's crossguard saber design remain in the franchise as one of the more practically usable hilt designs or will it fade into obscurity? Is it exclusively only cool as a single blade, or will it ever look good with non-single wielding?
      18. Vote for the the best pre-disney non-movie entry in the franchise/legends! Animation and cartoons, books, games, comics?
      19. Chiss force users! Ex-humans from an ice planet! Why are/were they so rare? Pitch a certain type of chiss jedi and/or sith who could be successful! Are they hindered in understanding the obscure by their pragmatic mindset? And are they genetically compatible with humans? If sith interbred with humans, could chiss do the same with sith?
      20. Have non-chiss force users ever been to the home planet of the chiss?
      21. Since Corellian/Green Jedi have been established as having difficulties in producing as potent force active abilities as mainline jedi but having superior absorbtion potential, in what situations could a type of green jedi stand up to a jedi or a sith?
      22. Choose the most atmospherically enjoyable and obscure planet that was a core foundation at some point for the Sith Empire, and a time period in which to view it in, and convince the others that your choice is better/cooler/spookier!
      23. Tython and Ossus! Really important planets for both jedi and to a lesser extent sith too. Any information on why they are so lightly portrayed and any news or rumors if the will be ever resurfacing again? How did canon change?
      24. What was the opinion of the true secluded Empire on Kaas/Ziost/Korriban/Nathema on the matter of some surfacing coreworld sith newcomers like Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, or the Trayus Triumvirate?
      25. How did Dromund system's Kaas go from what it is like portrayed in The Old Republic to how utterly devoured it appeared in Mysteries of the Sith? Although the TOR version still was awesome, why was the MotS one still way cooler?
      26. Blue Green Yellow Orange Purple Red White - out of these 7 basic colors, everyone choose 3 favorites before the show! Present your choices in the show for the others! In the end, the most selected color wins!
      27. Saberstaff and dual wielded sabers! In movies, games, and animation, which were the coolest most practical portrayals, and which were the most clumsy stupid portrayals in movement and handling?
      28. Dark Troopers and Shadowtroopers! Should such distinctive lightsaber resistant black armor and force crystals return in the franchise again as some form of troops? Either blaster users or a lightsaber using character or troops? Where does Rogue One's new Death Trooper appear on the spectrum?
      29. If either the Republic or the Empire would suddenly decide to create special force user commandos who use guns, how would 4 man teams look like by choosing 4-4 separate races for Republic and Empire?
      30. The Anzati! How effective are they in an open lightsaber duel regarding tentacle feeding?
      31. Any news on a potential Yoda spinoff movie? Could it potentially mention Vandar, Oteg, and Yaddle?
      32. If you had to control the training of 3 jedi temple guards who already had a familiarity with all 7 classical forms, which 3 forms would you want each of them to focus on to work together in a group? Choose 1 form for each 1 guard! Each contestant can explain his version of composition!
      33. Killiks or Geonosians? If you needed to choose one enforcer to provide help in a battle against Colicoids, who would you go to battle aside with? Everyone vote for one or the other!
      34. TOR introduced killik joiners and Vector Hyllus who was a rare individual who was enabled to keep most of his personality as an intermediary ambassador. If a sith lord decided to trick the killiks by turning him into such a joiner with a personality, who would gain more? The sith gaining a hive of force potential, or the hive gaining the force through a joiner? Who could control the other? Would the darkside corrupt the whole hive?
      35. Poetically describe the psychological effects of what a lone AT-ST enemy advance might cause to an observer! Write a small artistic paragraph and read it out loud in the show!
      36. Pitch the perfect TV-Series about post-rakatan Korriban!
      37. Who was the most effective Mandalore in history?
      38. Gorc & Pic - Were they the most elaborate or sophisticated sithspawn ever created?
      39. Which are the most overused species/races in all the franchise? Try to name all! Who are the biggest cliché aliens by now? (Excluding unimportant background characters.)
      40. Any news on the at least 2 remaining inquisitors from Rebels? 1 Grand + 3 were killed in the show, 1 additional killed by Ahsoka, 1 probably by Maul (hence his staff), that leaves 2 out of a possible minimum total of 8! They were extremely good additions to the show!

    • @phenjaws569
      @phenjaws569 7 років тому

      Brenn Tantor good questions

  • @johnjjenkins8580
    @johnjjenkins8580 7 років тому

    Guys talk about the nights of ren and snoke

  • @GreenMarine3
    @GreenMarine3 7 років тому

    Anyone know when the next one is coming out?

  • @loyalcompanion2104
    @loyalcompanion2104 7 років тому

    RIP Reti4

  • @DanielGonzalez-dr7so
    @DanielGonzalez-dr7so 7 років тому

    still waiting on that new reti4 video

  • @samuelmembrino5295
    @samuelmembrino5295 8 років тому

    Personally would take rebels season 3, and I'd feature palpatine. More importantly I'd show him as the troll he really is. "I thought my dark lord of the sith could protect a thermal exhaust port only 2 meters wide, that thing wasn't even fully paid off yet"-Emperor Palpatine-Robot Chicken

  • @samwaller2137
    @samwaller2137 8 років тому

    What is your favourite lightsabre battle for the the eu

  • @williamsullivan7818
    @williamsullivan7818 8 років тому

    In my opion darth maul was cut at the upper thighs not the waste. That is the only way.