Tenebros:Genetic engineer Plaguies: Mad Scientist. Siduous: The Political Schemer. I mean these what make themselves different from their masters slightly.
The estimated High Council members are; Greyjedi91; Grandmaster. Antoine Bandele; Spymaster (always got the latest news) EvanNova95; Loremaster ( I have jet to find something he has not read) Jensaarai1; Battlemaster (best lightsaber-style videos by fare) Reti4; Master of philosophy (see his video-discussion with Greyjedi91, nobody knows the light-side and Jedi teachings better)
How many Darth Bane's does it take to switch a light bulb? 1. To obliterate the entire house with a rage induced force repulse kill the next door neighbor take his house and then blackmail an electrician to change all the bulbs in that house
Darth Bane, Genius Strategist, would plan the search in advance. He would set up stock portfolios, fake accounts, get himself a custom-tailored suit, and present himself as an intimidating, commanding broker who is considering donating to the school. Then the dean would run away screaming and the Dark Lord of the Sith would be confused until Zannah cleared her throat and said, "uh, Boss? You um, you still have a few orbalisks on your...everywhere." "...Do you want to try?" *Sigh* "Gimme ten minutes. You owe me so much for this."
Beautiful intro, you know I always thought the fan art was symbolic how of few true EU fans there are out there with the rise of the new canon. You have five council members in an isolated room, each of them not really conveying any emotion. Combined that with the quiet music in the background and the fact the council itself is pretty small. The scene feels very sad yet beautiful. Like seeing the last members of an extinct race taking in a deep breath as their culture withers away into obscurity. Anyway I am grateful that you guys are making videos. It's your content that show how large and vast the EU is, and that despite the fact there aren't going to be any new stories in that universe. That we the fans, have the power to keep the memory of the EU alive. I wish to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me believe that enjoying the stories of EU is still worthwhile. May the Force be with you all, always.
Reading the book, my though process was, "this seems like what Star Wars would be like if it was rated R." And I didn't realize that was something I wanted until I read this book
29:00 I’ve always found it interesting that the darker reality of the Jedi is they pathologically can’t tolerate dark siders ( to be fair most dark side users are d bags but it almost like “ you used the dark side, spend a year quarantined meditating an never do it again.) they also have a hard time grasping that they condescend to non force sensitives. ( especially in the prequel era)
Niman is my favorite lightsaber style too. It gives the practitioner an adequate response for pretty much everything and encourages the fighter to be creative in their application of the style. When you do this it allows the fighter to put a very personal spin on the style the more they study and practice. What you get out of Niman is how much you put into it. I love this. It's much like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do philosophy: Use what works for you and discard the rest.
HarbingerOfBattle Yeah I too think Form 6 is like JEET KNUE DO. I got the Bruce Lee books and when I think of Form 6 I think of JEET KUNE DO. You can create a balanced/hybridisation style.
a common complaint against rey is that she had no practice with telepathy/mind tricks until she frees herself. but she did, several times in the movie before that. she can understand chewbacca not because she speaks wookie but because she percieves his meaning through the force. she also judges finn to be a good man because she is intuiting his mind on an instictive level. also, consider who she influences. a soldier who has no personality, no individuality, and no defense. see how zombie like he walks away and obeys. she didnt gently shoo him into action, she simply strongarmed him into it. whereas obi wans and lukes mind tricks were smooth and subtle like a feather duster, she turned a power washer on him.
Okay, but compare her power to Luke's and Obi Wan's in general. It took Obi Wan YEARS to become that powerful with the force. Luke, while he didn't take YEARS upon YEARS to be good with the Force, it STILL took him embracing a lot of training and combat with Vader and Palpatine to fully realize his potential. Also, Rey goes from "The Force is real? I've always thought the Force, Luke Skywalker, all of this stuff was a myth/fairy tale. (she even says this during the conversation with Finn, Han, and Chewie on the Falcon.)" to "Look at me I can do everything high ranking Jedi Knights or Masters took years to do in the span of one to two (MAYBE 3 if I'm being generous) days. And while yes, her use of the mind trick was blunt and not at all subtle, it doesn't change the fact that it's a high level technique that you don't just do out of the blue.
I love the new art, it really adds to the look of quality to add to the high quality of the content that you guys produce. I'm looking forward to you going ahead with this series.
52:40 as another person with asbergers I completely agree. Not understanding other people and not having control of my environment is extremely difficult most days. As a child Films and comics and pop culture were always much more enjoyable to me than the chaos of the real world.( still are some days.)
I don't think that the Clone Wars Jedi were corrupt and weak from lack of an enemy. Quite the opposite. They were corrupt and weak and the Republic in the middle of an apparently Golden but really Gilded Age because they ended their internal battle. The Jedi have always fought amongst themselves over what it is to be Jedi. On the one side, you have Nomi Sunrider, Revan, Meetra Surik, Lord Hoth, Obi-Wan Kenobi and almost all of the New Jedi Order who want to do right and bring justice, to positively affirm life, living, goodness and making things better. On the other hand, you have Atris, Satele Shan, Yoda, the Dark Woman and more who define themselves by the word "No." No tolerating the Sith, no emotion, no self, no relationships, no fighting for what's right, and DEFINITELY no holding the Republic and Senate accountable for their actions. The only thing these Jedi affirm is being Republic stooges, except when citizens are facing genocide, oddly enough. From the Rusaan reformations to Order 66 the "No" Jedi had complete control over the order. Well, congratulations, "No" Jedi, you had the galaxy for a thousand years. Was it everything you hoped for? Oh, wait, no hoping either.
So when I got on UA-cam and saw that there was a new episode of the Council Forcecast out, I got really excited and immediately started watching it. I absolutely love the videos you guys put out, and watching content from your channels has made my love for Star Wars grow exponentially. Star Wars is a huge part of my life; I'm extremely passionate about it. I normally don't comment on videos, but I want you all to know that I appreciate the content you put out and that I'm grateful that you guys put in time and effort to make these incredibly enjoyable videos. Thank you
For those who don't know, Vitiate used Essence transference multiple times for "The Emperor's Voice" so other bodies could represent his will, and if the body died, his will would return to his own. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor's_Voice_(Sith_Empire) ua-cam.com/video/rdQ61VtSbq0/v-deo.html (Watch the whole thing, or at least the beginning briefing and the end in Sel Makor's domain.)
50:00-1:04:30 I love the discussion of Plagueis character and the contradictions of his practical and political nature and his double standards for philosophy and the narcissism that drives him, even when he claims it for the greater good. Also, the voice actor for the audiobook is a perfect plagueis and if the character appears again I hope he gets to play the character.( and if not have Doug Bradley do his Pinhead voice.)
I LOVED Darth Plagueis as a book and a character. He is one of my favorite Sith, and in my opinion one of the last true Sith Lords. Darth Vader was a Sith, but not really in the same way that Plagueis and Sidious was. After the death of Sidious in my opinion the true Sith were dead.
Niman struck me as the lightsaber equivalent of mixed martial arts. It takes all the things that works from all the forms and leaves out the excess. Its philosophy very much in the vein of the Tao of Jeet Kun Do.
lmao know I'm late to the party but I would like to say that Darth Plagueis was my first real exposure to the EU. I tried reading some short novels as a kid, but it wasn't untill after High School that I really got into books and it is thanks to Darth Plagueis I did. I understand your argument about not visualizing the aliens properly as I did not consume any SW media except the movies before I read this novel, but I did THOROUGHLY enjoy the novel and is my most revisited novel and audiobook. I probably listen to it 6-24 times a YEAR (no exaduration) since it came out.
I also have Asperger syndrome and find myself preferring order and linear thoughts. Which might be why I always preferred reading comic books or watching tv to enter acting with others, cause I’d always know what was going to happen. And it explains why I like your detail oriented videos so much.
Something that occurs to me is that Darth Bane really does good by the phrase "wise men plant the seeds of trees they will never sit in the shade of." It's not really relevant to this Forcecast, but it struck me over the past week and a half: How the hell can the Jedi Council justify not giving Anakin a Mastery on the basis of not being mentally ready when they gave one to Quinlan Vos?!
Yes but also lets not forget, counting Clone Wars material as well that Quinlan Vos had long ago trained a successful Padawan to Knighthood (Aayla Secura), and on that basis alone, that's usually enough to decide if the Knight in question is ready to become a Jedi Master. Anakin failed to train Ahsoka to knighthood, considering she left the Order during the Clone Wars. Therefore, she left=Anakin failed his test, therefore, he was not eligible to be a Jedi Master.
Great intro and this was a great Council Forcecast episode. I love seeing the Legends stories and characters getting touched on here, looking forward to more :)
I feel like one of the best ways to get a basic understanding of a sith Lord is to think about which Lantern ring they would have. The red ring of rage, the yellow ring of fear or the orange ring of greed. And you can expand from their which ring do they want to have which do they not want to have.
I was just binge watching other Forcecast episodes and Matt's newer versus videos and a new Forcecast episode pops up on his channel...coincidence? I THINK NOT. I've wanted to read Darth Plagueis but at the present time funds elude me. It seems like such a fascinating book though. Keep up the great work guys!
Love it, keep it up! NEXT TIME ON FORCE CAST! see your favorite masters vs the dark lord, Darth Plgueis! Will are heroes survive? Will Plagueis win? What will Sidious do? See on the next time on Council Forcecast!
As a Hockey player, I built my approaches around standing my ice with blade locks checks and shoves. I always hated it when players on my team or the others weaved coast to coast to avoid being hit, while I served as a 6ft defensive tank, not because I was wide immovable rock but because I was balanced and sure on my blades. As someone who understands quick blade (boot/foot) transition for grounding and stability, I would specialize in DJEM SO. A duelist fights on his legs and as Hurb Brooks said, the legs feed the wolf, and your strength comes from your footwork. As a number of in universe duelists prove, it isn't hard to overcome the negative connotations associated with Form V: the lack of mobility, the heavy handed focus, and often the single minded approach of the wielder. Kyle Katarn was a running Djem So practitioner, Ulic Qel Droma was fast, agile, and Exar Kun's equal (Niman poster boy.) Hmmmm with that will Kao Sen Darache be the new Niman poster boy in the rerelease of the seven forms Jensaarai1, you used Qui Gon instead of Yoda for the Ataru poster (I'm not complaining.)
If you think about Plagueis' character and his perceived sociopathy, it's actually pretty damn similar to the way Dexter Morgan is in the show Dexter. He can turn off his empathy and emotions towards others, but at the same time, he is shown to care for certain people who have earned it from him. But like I said at the same time, he can turn it off and be a ruthless, bloody, violent killer. The only difference is that Plagueis (with the exception of the time he lets the dark side influence him with the assassination attempt) can effectively control his impulses, whereas Dexter Morgan is driven by the impulse to kill.
Great video bros!! I know I’m late but so glad I found you guys after finishing part 1 a couple days ago. I’ve read the novel before but hearing you guys input was madddd interesting and made me understand and approach the book differently, as well as the entire SW universe. Binge watched the shit out of ALL your versus videos. I love how the content is 20+ mins. Don’t have cable and YT is the new tv esp. when people are passionate about what they upload.
Great episode! :D I loved that book, and yeah, at around the 50-minute mark you guys really summed up one of my issues with the Rule of Two. There seems to be a common assumption that the Rule of Two "worked" because it produced increasingly stronger Sith. The truth is, being a Sith is about more than using the most brute force (or Force). The Rule of Two may have worked for them to a point (even this is at least debatable), but I view it as more of a strategy than an ideal. Yoda even admits to himself that the reason the Sith won was they adapted while the Jedi didn't. Treating the Rule of Two as dogma set the Sith up for destruction just as much as the Jedi training to "refight the last war" set them up for destruction.
Good episode, I loved this novel from the EU days. Darth Plagueis is among my favorite characters in the universe and the story is definitely a great buildup to the prequels, it should still be canon.
42:20 that reminds me of a quote that I read from a gold miner in the 1880s “ ever step a man takes holding nitroglycerin is a challenge to god.” Seems to fit when you use the dark side at the level that Plaguies and Sidious were.
I have been asking this question for about a year now, let's hope 22 is my lucky number As force users, what would you like your "unique power" to be? E.x. Shatterpoint, Kinetite, Battle Meditation etc etc
I may be alone in this, but I think Palpatine also genuinely regretted killing his family in and of itself and wasn't just annoyed that Plaguies manipulated him period. My impression of Palpatine is that while he may have truly hated his father, he wasn't sure if he wanted to KILL him, and even if he did that didn't automatically translate into a desire to kill the rest of his family. He may even have saw them as fellow prisoners of a tyrannical patriarch except that he was more openly rebellious than they were. In other words, I think Luceno was trying to say that Palpatine had some sliver of humanity in him that he resents Plaguies taking away. A lot of real-life sociopaths are like that- they feel like they needed to "get tough" in order to survive and prosper, and part of that is denying their "softer" emotions like warmth and guilt etc., but they sometimes still had or had someone in their past that they could show that side of themselves to. When Palpatine killed his family, he killed the only people he could ever even expect to be that comfortable showing that side of himself around, and he could never show it around Plaguies since he would interpret that as weakness (as does Palpatine with everyone else). Basically, Palpatine is an asshole who is still genuinely mad that his family is dead, and he firmly blames Plaguies for this (admittedly this is also avoiding guilt and personal responsibility, but he is not 10% unreasonable in this belief). A lot of this also comes back to Plaguies being a "machine man", and probably also the nature of his culture and upbringing. It doesn't occur to Plaguies that Palpatine might actually resent killing his family because it never really bothered Plaguies all that much when HE did it. Palpatine may be a sadistic sociopath but he is also more in touch with his emotions and is thus a bit more "human" (figuratively, not just literally), at least by comparison. Also, as far as a "Sith Hannibal Lecter", I tend to think Palaptine is probably the closest equivalent to that, even if he is more childish and petty. He's just as good as psychology and manipulation as the cannibal is; he just applies is more as a politician and as a grand schemer. But the way he handles Anakin and even the way he pushes the buttons of the Jedi (he isn't lying when he said they tried to assassinate him and overthrow the Republic after all- he manipulated them into attempting just that. Hannibal just as bit more class and restraint, and isn't so power mad.
Well, this is very interesting. I'm inclined to agree to an extent. I think he may have felt that way in the immediate aftermath...but eventually I think something changed. Certainly by the time he takes his revenge on Plagueis. Luceno has stated that his intent was to try his best NOT to make Palpatine someone the readers could relate to. At the end of the day he still wanted him to be a monster. No...while I can totally see where you're coming from, I do think that once all was said and done, Palpatine really took issue with the manner in which Plagueis played him. I don't think he cared all that much for the fact that he'd killed off his family in the end. Especially since it's part of the price he paid to get where he eventually got. It was something that needed to happen in order for him to get what he wanted. In retrospect, he would never have denied that.
Given he is Palpatine (or, just given he is human), he might have simply tried to have his cake and eat it. He is glad that he set down on the dark path and ended up as the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived...but at the same time, he still wants revenge for killing his family, even if - had circumstances been different- he might have gone through with it anyway. If the initial rage was at least partly about the fact that he didn't them being killed, then even if he could rationalize it after the fact, he might still want to "get even" over it. Possibly he could just have imagined a timeline where he could have become a Dark Lord WITHOUT having to murder them all...or at least, if he did, that he could kill them in his own time and on his own terms. But yeah, I'm more inclined to believe that he just isn't being 100% rational, nor does he care to be. Since he is the Dark Lord of the Sith, perhaps he feels that he doesn't need to be either- might makes right and all that.
I thought Form V was a combination of Shii-Cho, Makashi and Soresu? Soresu defence, Shii-Cho sweeps and Makashi precision I have a really hard time making decisions about anything and choosing a lightsaber form is no exception: which is why I think Niman would be perfect for me, since I can use the strengths from every other form I like. The other forms I seem to like or go back and forth between are Makashi, Soresu and Djem So. I'm not overly powerful, I'm very far from athletic, I have little patience for prolonged defence and my hand-eye co-ordination leaves a lot to be desired. Dear God I'm one of the Geonosis Niman practitioners I mean, even after a year or so of casual browsing I still could not choose which lightsaber to purchase from ultra sabers (I ended up going for the random hilt "grab bag" option). Sorry I appear to have ranted on a bit That was a really great video and a rare full council session, it was great to see all five of you guys back on the screen :-)
Carl Coriell funnily enough it was a Dominix ( the V3 version) hilt that I was mainly interested in but others also caught my eye. In the end I got a Dark Liberator in a grab bag and absolutely love it. While it has no frills and gizmos, I love the concave/convex (I always get the two mixed up) in the centre of the hilt making for a comfortable handgrip when using one-handed.
Yes! Legends Archives. Was hoping you guys would use that title. Cool image of all of you as Council members too. Really wish y all would stop bashing the new canon so much but otherwise great podcast. Definitely gonna be a hard wait for part 2.
I am a Shii cho and ataru specialist. Basically I am a mix between mugen and gregor clegane. My 2 sparring buddies are either skinny and not very strong or slow and strong. I also have some skill in soresu. If I use duel blade I am all defense and just wait till they fuck up or burn out. Also just to inform I use duel blades if I it 2 on one.
+Reti4 Just a big question: Do you think it's a good idea to bring Mace Windu back? Because rumors are saying he might come back episode 8. I really hope it's just a rumor. :(
Realistically, outside of Star Wars... the Glactic Empire was all human, because in the era of A New Hope it was very common to cast British actors in the role of villains. Also, I can't help but think Plagueis's party is a nod to Bohemian Grove.
Question for the council. addressing all If you were the writer/director for either rebels or episode 8 what direction would you take the next film/season and what elements from the old expanded universe would you implement? thanks! keep up the videos!
Coming back and watching these older videos highlights to me how much all of your force powers have grown. The council was more awkward then I remembered. Not that this isn't super enjoyable
"chance is the one element missing from any periodic table": wonder if there's a literary reference in there? In Lolita, Humbert Humbert says of Charlotte Haze's death that man cannot commit the perfect murder - chance, however, can. Given Humbert Humbert's role in Lolita, that sets up some (aptly) dark resonances, given Sidious's part in birthing Anakin in the Force.
I agree with Greyjedi91's assessment of how the Rule of Two sith were all relatively consistent when it came to power, Darth Bane in Dynasty of Evil is not that far behind Darth Sidious in ROTS when it comes to raw power, even Vader by the time of ROTJ was 80% as strong as Palpatine and the fact that James Luceno admitted that had Plaguies been awake when Palpatine tried to zap him with Force lightning Plagueis might have won albeit a slim chance of winning but it was quite within his capabilities as both a force wielder and duelist.
1:38:43 I learned that when I read Palpatine's backstory and I imagined it being more like how Anakin used the force for his podracing. Something Palpatine did without being aware of it and that it was merely an amplification of his already considerable charisma. The same way Anakin used the force as an extension of his existing piloting skills.
Oh god what Jensarrai said will give me nightmares "I do not want to imagine Palpatine having orgies" O-o Not helped it hinted he did something with one of his Emperor's Hands once :0 (What I mean is Jen mention a Game of Throne characters who had lot of orgies and compared him to Palpatine which is why I imagine Palpatine doing that!)
You guys talk about how good Luceno is as a writer, and you're right, he is... But I also really enjoy Matthew Stover and his novelization of Revenge of the Sith. That was one of the best Star Wars novels I've ever read, by far.
plagueis is my personal favorite sith. He's at least to me the most intruiging sith lord with his arc over the novel. He's was cunning, powerful and dangerous and had MASSIVE potential if he gets his own movie. Also, I like antoines hat. :)
33:10 I’d say palatines quote is true in the sense that half the galaxy think the Jedi are a myth or had died out, the other half either think they are heroes or over blown .( at least during the prequel era to Luke founding the NJO and it pushing out legends like Katarn or Jaden Korr by the vong wars and before the prequels they are very well established ..)
I always think of Niman as the contention form. Because its built around the principles of moderation and balance, you only do what you need to contend and stay in the duel. Its was one of reasons behind its conception, to allow Jedi Consulars to contend with Guardians and Warriors blade to blade instead of dominating the fight, that was saved for the force and martial disarmament techniques (TPLA.) Also Niman is only the best on its own on paper, with all other variables remaining constant or absent, which isn't the case in live combat against seasoned duelists or fighters i.e Vader, Malgus, Dooku, Malak, Jerec and even Skywalker. Also Nice stab, "So you are basically Darth Zannah" he he ha ha.
When looking for Palpatine, how would Bane handle it? I honestly think Bane would probably send Zannah in to bring Palpatine out arm over shoulder, that is if she is in his ranks already. If not, probably sit in the middle of the campus on a bench, pretend to read a datapad, and extend his sense outward to find the prodigy, how hard could it be. Possibly pose as an employer, for "risk" analysis and use the interview to ask about how far his ambitions go. As for this burn down the school analogy, this is Star Wars, a bomb would be easier, plus this is Naboo where nearly all the buildings are marble.
Really Evannova95? You would not recommend going to a drug filled sex orgy? NERD. Really Reti4? You want the guy who makes a drug filled sex orgy on a monthly basis to take a women and put her in a dungeon? Typical British thinking. KINKY. But in all seriousness great Council Forcecast, I can not wait for part 2 to come out in 4 months. Aside from the Darth Bane bashing, seriously what the fuck, great Council Forcecast. I have to say that, in my opinion, The Darth Plagueis novel also show why The Sith and The Jedi had to be destroyed and why they needed a fresh start. The Jedi became weak and pathetic, while The Sith became too powerful and, once again in my opinion, stopped being Sith. The Sith are about controlling The Galaxy and destroying The Jedi, not about being gods lording over The Force itself. That is all. P.S. Great artwork at the start of the video and I rate the look of Jenserai1 (not the artwork) 10/10 great hair.
My Lightsaver form would be Niman, the idea of contentious opposition and concordant opposition mixed with a judicious balance of techniques always appealed and that since it was so free form one could theoretically apply to any situation and configure it to suit your needs, being able to kerp your opponents off balance by switching techniques appeals to my sensibilities, unlike a character like Vader who will just batter or slice you to ribbons with tried and true techniques, also the first 3 forms since if all else fails switching to form 1 due to its simplistic bladework might just get the job done.
Am I wrong in thinking that Plagueis had actually grown beyond what Tenebrous created, at least in some ways? In The Tenebrous Way, Ten said that as he began to enter Plag he realized that he had severely underestimated his apprentice's connection to the Force. Plag also made a few references to ways in which he looked down on Ten. Had he grown beyond Ten's intentions for him? Or was it a minor miscalculation of his Force ability plus Plag's own arrogance?
30:40 I personally view it as the Golden age in the sense that there are 10,000 Jedi in the galaxy to only 2 Sith and there are at least 20 Jedi of this era that are among the wisest and most powerful ever produced by the order( Yoda, Windu, Kenobi, Fisto, Quigon , Anakin, Vos etc.) but on the flip side as Connor pointed out, except for some Mavericks like Jinn or Vos the Jedi are painfully set into their ways and rarely adapt till the end of the clone war( and die for t) and also except for the greats the other 9,900 Jedi are light weights like Jo casta or Coleman Trevor. So it’s a bit of a mixed bag. But in terms of military might I’d argue the Jedi at their peak were either the NJO post bong war or Old republic fighting Vitiate and Malgus.
I want to thank you guys for the video it was fun, but I will say that the essence of each character in that they all have MULTIPLE forms and styles that bleed into each other some more than others like... everyone is a mixture of it all in a different frame work. I do love the bit about lineages on how teachers influence down the line as you go.
i realy enjoy your Council Forcecasts, keep it up! i liked the kind of video about Sidious, all this weaknesses and actual advantages, would be nice if you do that sort of thing with other persons (most likely siths :D)
I think that fight may have worked a bit better, if plagueis had a sneaking suspicion that venemous was coming. Like if his force tuned instincts had told him something was coming but he didn't know what it was, that fight would have worked better.
This novel had so much going on every page, I mean James Luceno is so good at wotld building and I agree if you have only watched the Star Wars films you will be lost completel as it is built on everything that came out in the EU beforehand, the bare minimum I would say you would need to to habe read to understand this novel is the Darth Bane Trilogy and even then there are references to obscure characters, technology and creatures along with planets from everywhere in the Expsnded Universe.
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Tenebros:Genetic engineer
Plaguies: Mad Scientist.
Siduous: The Political Schemer.
I mean these what make themselves different from their masters slightly.
Vader=pissed off drill sergeant
Tenebrous: Crooked Industrialist
Plagueis: Crooked Banker
Sidious: Crooked Politician
Dooku = Imperious noble.
Maul = Loyal assassin.
Grievous = warlord.
We hope you guys enjoy this first installment of the Legends Archives.
Oh, I certainly will.
Yep. I did.
great addition to council forcecast carry on with the good work!!!
Will you guys do Shatterpoint? I love that book.
Hey Evan when will Bane vs Shaak Ti come out?
The estimated High Council members are;
Greyjedi91; Grandmaster.
Antoine Bandele; Spymaster (always got the latest news)
EvanNova95; Loremaster ( I have jet to find something he has not read)
Jensaarai1; Battlemaster (best lightsaber-style videos by fare)
Reti4; Master of philosophy (see his video-discussion with Greyjedi91, nobody knows the light-side and Jedi teachings better)
Estimated??
Having just watched the TCW retcons video, I wouldn’t join any order that was led by Greyjedi.
How many Darth Bane's does it take to switch a light bulb?
1.
To obliterate the entire house with a rage induced force repulse kill the next door neighbor take his house and then blackmail an electrician to change all the bulbs in that house
and then take over the electrician's company slowly, generation by generation.
Matthew Stover and James Luceno for the Lucas story group
Move over Pablo
He really should. At least Luceno and Stover respect all fans and even enjoy the old canon.
Darth Bane, Genius Strategist, would plan the search in advance. He would set up stock portfolios, fake accounts, get himself a custom-tailored suit, and present himself as an intimidating, commanding broker who is considering donating to the school. Then the dean would run away screaming and the Dark Lord of the Sith would be confused until Zannah cleared her throat and said, "uh, Boss? You um, you still have a few orbalisks on your...everywhere."
"...Do you want to try?"
*Sigh* "Gimme ten minutes. You owe me so much for this."
Poor Plagueis. All he wanted was sharks with laser beams attached to their heads. Is that so wrong?
How would the sharks fire the laser beams? . . . and why settle for just sharks, how about Megalodons?
Kestrel raptorial Hmm, there's a thought.
😢 😭 😭 😭 😭 Now i want one too...
Beautiful intro, you know I always thought the fan art was symbolic how of few true EU fans there are out there with the rise of the new canon.
You have five council members in an isolated room, each of them not really conveying any emotion. Combined that with the quiet music in the background and the fact the council itself is pretty small. The scene feels very sad yet beautiful. Like seeing the last members of an extinct race taking in a deep breath as their culture withers away into obscurity.
Anyway I am grateful that you guys are making videos. It's your content that show how large and vast the EU is, and that despite the fact there aren't going to be any new stories in that universe. That we the fans, have the power to keep the memory of the EU alive.
I wish to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me believe that enjoying the stories of EU is still worthwhile.
May the Force be with you all, always.
Dustin' off those Legends holocrons.
DUde, you look pissed off in this video.
I am not.
They have a salty structure do
Reading the book, my though process was, "this seems like what Star Wars would be like if it was rated R." And I didn't realize that was something I wanted until I read this book
Most of the EU was R Rated it enriched the universe so much,
29:00 I’ve always found it interesting that the darker reality of the Jedi is they pathologically can’t tolerate dark siders ( to be fair most dark side users are d bags but it almost like “ you used the dark side, spend a year quarantined meditating an never do it again.) they also have a hard time grasping that they condescend to non force sensitives. ( especially in the prequel era)
This really, REALLY needs to happen more often. I love this council style discussion of a novel. Please reboot this!
I'm not even full invested into the EU/legends stuff but yes. Jensaraii and GreyJedi are very interesting
We need a counter gag for the amount of times the jedi temple gets compromised.
Niman is my favorite lightsaber style too. It gives the practitioner an adequate response for pretty much everything and encourages the fighter to be creative in their application of the style. When you do this it allows the fighter to put a very personal spin on the style the more they study and practice. What you get out of Niman is how much you put into it. I love this. It's much like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do philosophy: Use what works for you and discard the rest.
HarbingerOfBattle
Yeah I too think Form 6 is like JEET KNUE DO.
I got the Bruce Lee books and when I think of Form 6 I think of JEET KUNE DO.
You can create a balanced/hybridisation style.
HarbingerOfBattle
Quite adaptable, Form 6 is.
a common complaint against rey is that she had no practice with telepathy/mind tricks until she frees herself. but she did, several times in the movie before that. she can understand chewbacca not because she speaks wookie but because she percieves his meaning through the force. she also judges finn to be a good man because she is intuiting his mind on an instictive level. also, consider who she influences. a soldier who has no personality, no individuality, and no defense. see how zombie like he walks away and obeys. she didnt gently shoo him into action, she simply strongarmed him into it. whereas obi wans and lukes mind tricks were smooth and subtle like a feather duster, she turned a power washer on him.
Okay, but compare her power to Luke's and Obi Wan's in general. It took Obi Wan YEARS to become that powerful with the force. Luke, while he didn't take YEARS upon YEARS to be good with the Force, it STILL took him embracing a lot of training and combat with Vader and Palpatine to fully realize his potential. Also, Rey goes from "The Force is real? I've always thought the Force, Luke Skywalker, all of this stuff was a myth/fairy tale. (she even says this during the conversation with Finn, Han, and Chewie on the Falcon.)" to "Look at me I can do everything high ranking Jedi Knights or Masters took years to do in the span of one to two (MAYBE 3 if I'm being generous) days. And while yes, her use of the mind trick was blunt and not at all subtle, it doesn't change the fact that it's a high level technique that you don't just do out of the blue.
The Jedi refuse to see the possible benefits of conflict, and the many views it brings to the table.
Except whn they get involved it becomes a galaxy spanning conflict with billions dead anyways.
Any one else saw Jensaarai more happy that ever?Probably because he happy to talk about nothing but legends
Understanding and preferring orderly things as someone with aspergers, you and me both. Hence the reason I dedicated myself to applied sciences.
Excellent. Luceno is in my opinion one of the best Star Wars writers, Legends or new cannon.
Timothy zahn
my two Star Wars daddies
...cough cough....Aaron Allston???
@@histguy101 put drew karpyshyn, Stackple and matt stover in there and you have the best star wars authors
I love the new art, it really adds to the look of quality to add to the high quality of the content that you guys produce.
I'm looking forward to you going ahead with this series.
52:40 as another person with asbergers I completely agree. Not understanding other people and not having control of my environment is extremely difficult most days. As a child Films and comics and pop culture were always much more enjoyable to me than the chaos of the real world.( still are some days.)
You may not actually have anything wrong and the false diagnosis is causing you the problems
Jensaari has Asperger's too? wow that make me wanna strive for more so I can be just as successful
I don't think that the Clone Wars Jedi were corrupt and weak from lack of an enemy. Quite the opposite. They were corrupt and weak and the Republic in the middle of an apparently Golden but really Gilded Age because they ended their internal battle. The Jedi have always fought amongst themselves over what it is to be Jedi.
On the one side, you have Nomi Sunrider, Revan, Meetra Surik, Lord Hoth, Obi-Wan Kenobi and almost all of the New Jedi Order who want to do right and bring justice, to positively affirm life, living, goodness and making things better.
On the other hand, you have Atris, Satele Shan, Yoda, the Dark Woman and more who define themselves by the word "No." No tolerating the Sith, no emotion, no self, no relationships, no fighting for what's right, and DEFINITELY no holding the Republic and Senate accountable for their actions. The only thing these Jedi affirm is being Republic stooges, except when citizens are facing genocide, oddly enough.
From the Rusaan reformations to Order 66 the "No" Jedi had complete control over the order. Well, congratulations, "No" Jedi, you had the galaxy for a thousand years. Was it everything you hoped for? Oh, wait, no hoping either.
So when I got on UA-cam and saw that there was a new episode of the Council Forcecast out, I got really excited and immediately started watching it. I absolutely love the videos you guys put out, and watching content from your channels has made my love for Star Wars grow exponentially. Star Wars is a huge part of my life; I'm extremely passionate about it. I normally don't comment on videos, but I want you all to know that I appreciate the content you put out and that I'm grateful that you guys put in time and effort to make these incredibly enjoyable videos. Thank you
I can just think of plagueis cooking some popcorn with force lightning.
For those who don't know, Vitiate used Essence transference multiple times for "The Emperor's Voice" so other bodies could represent his will, and if the body died, his will would return to his own.
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor's_Voice_(Sith_Empire)
ua-cam.com/video/rdQ61VtSbq0/v-deo.html (Watch the whole thing, or at least the beginning briefing and the end in Sel Makor's domain.)
50:00-1:04:30 I love the discussion of Plagueis character and the contradictions of his practical and political nature and his double standards for philosophy and the narcissism that drives him, even when he claims it for the greater good. Also, the voice actor for the audiobook is a perfect plagueis and if the character appears again I hope he gets to play the character.( and if not have Doug Bradley do his Pinhead voice.)
I LOVED Darth Plagueis as a book and a character. He is one of my favorite Sith, and in my opinion one of the last true Sith Lords. Darth Vader was a Sith, but not really in the same way that Plagueis and Sidious was. After the death of Sidious in my opinion the true Sith were dead.
Vader, Maul and Dooku all operated as dark jedi, they weren't true sith
Niman struck me as the lightsaber equivalent of mixed martial arts. It takes all the things that works from all the forms and leaves out the excess. Its philosophy very much in the vein of the Tao of Jeet Kun Do.
lmao know I'm late to the party but I would like to say that Darth Plagueis was my first real exposure to the EU. I tried reading some short novels as a kid, but it wasn't untill after High School that I really got into books and it is thanks to Darth Plagueis I did. I understand your argument about not visualizing the aliens properly as I did not consume any SW media except the movies before I read this novel, but I did THOROUGHLY enjoy the novel and is my most revisited novel and audiobook. I probably listen to it 6-24 times a YEAR (no exaduration) since it came out.
I always got 16 hours a few weeks a year to listen to a piece of media I thoroughly enjoy xD
I also have Asperger syndrome and find myself preferring order and linear thoughts. Which might be why I always preferred reading comic books or watching tv to enter acting with others, cause I’d always know what was going to happen. And it explains why I like your detail oriented videos so much.
Something that occurs to me is that Darth Bane really does good by the phrase "wise men plant the seeds of trees they will never sit in the shade of." It's not really relevant to this Forcecast, but it struck me over the past week and a half: How the hell can the Jedi Council justify not giving Anakin a Mastery on the basis of not being mentally ready when they gave one to Quinlan Vos?!
Yes but also lets not forget, counting Clone Wars material as well that Quinlan Vos had long ago trained a successful Padawan to Knighthood (Aayla Secura), and on that basis alone, that's usually enough to decide if the Knight in question is ready to become a Jedi Master. Anakin failed to train Ahsoka to knighthood, considering she left the Order during the Clone Wars. Therefore, she left=Anakin failed his test, therefore, he was not eligible to be a Jedi Master.
So Sith are the Ultimate Losers and control freaks, they need stooges to bully and become loser bullies after them.
It's great to hear grey Jedi is back his voice is so cool.
Great intro and this was a great Council Forcecast episode. I love seeing the Legends stories and characters getting touched on here, looking forward to more :)
I feel like one of the best ways to get a basic understanding of a sith Lord is to think about which Lantern ring they would have. The red ring of rage, the yellow ring of fear or the orange ring of greed. And you can expand from their which ring do they want to have which do they not want to have.
Also review book of deciption.
Cloak of Deception or the novel Deceived?
+GreyJedi91 It was whatever book you guys were complaining about which I think was cloak of deciption
I was just binge watching other Forcecast episodes and Matt's newer versus videos and a new Forcecast episode pops up on his channel...coincidence? I THINK NOT. I've wanted to read Darth Plagueis but at the present time funds elude me. It seems like such a fascinating book though. Keep up the great work guys!
The intro was amazing
“He takes care of her by giving her a very firm handshake”
Awesome line
YES! I'm a Niman duelest, and I loved hearing that analysis at the end! I've been saying alot of those points for a while.
Love it, keep it up!
NEXT TIME ON FORCE CAST! see your favorite masters vs the dark lord, Darth Plgueis!
Will are heroes survive? Will Plagueis win? What will Sidious do? See on the next time on Council Forcecast!
As a Hockey player, I built my approaches around standing my ice with blade locks checks and shoves. I always hated it when players on my team or the others weaved coast to coast to avoid being hit, while I served as a 6ft defensive tank, not because I was wide immovable rock but because I was balanced and sure on my blades. As someone who understands quick blade (boot/foot) transition for grounding and stability, I would specialize in DJEM SO. A duelist fights on his legs and as Hurb Brooks said, the legs feed the wolf, and your strength comes from your footwork. As a number of in universe duelists prove, it isn't hard to overcome the negative connotations associated with Form V: the lack of mobility, the heavy handed focus, and often the single minded approach of the wielder. Kyle Katarn was a running Djem So practitioner, Ulic Qel Droma was fast, agile, and Exar Kun's equal (Niman poster boy.) Hmmmm with that will Kao Sen Darache be the new Niman poster boy in the rerelease of the seven forms Jensaarai1, you used Qui Gon instead of Yoda for the Ataru poster (I'm not complaining.)
I squeal with joy every time this podcast appears in my sub box. :D
i love listening to these discussions while I'm working.
Oooo. Ooooo. Forcecast is back with GreyJedi91? Yayyy. And it's about Darth Plagueis? Also yay. It's a good day.
If you think about Plagueis' character and his perceived sociopathy, it's actually pretty damn similar to the way Dexter Morgan is in the show Dexter. He can turn off his empathy and emotions towards others, but at the same time, he is shown to care for certain people who have earned it from him. But like I said at the same time, he can turn it off and be a ruthless, bloody, violent killer. The only difference is that Plagueis (with the exception of the time he lets the dark side influence him with the assassination attempt) can effectively control his impulses, whereas Dexter Morgan is driven by the impulse to kill.
God I love these ForceCast. welcome back GreyJedi!!!
Why did you guys never review the darth bane trillogy I love you guys reviewing these books.
Great video bros!! I know I’m late but so glad I found you guys after finishing part 1 a couple days ago. I’ve read the novel before but hearing you guys input was madddd interesting and made me understand and approach the book differently, as well as the entire SW universe. Binge watched the shit out of ALL your versus videos. I love how the content is 20+ mins. Don’t have cable and YT is the new tv esp. when people are passionate about what they upload.
Great episode! :D
I loved that book, and yeah, at around the 50-minute mark you guys really summed up one of my issues with the Rule of Two. There seems to be a common assumption that the Rule of Two "worked" because it produced increasingly stronger Sith. The truth is, being a Sith is about more than using the most brute force (or Force). The Rule of Two may have worked for them to a point (even this is at least debatable), but I view it as more of a strategy than an ideal. Yoda even admits to himself that the reason the Sith won was they adapted while the Jedi didn't. Treating the Rule of Two as dogma set the Sith up for destruction just as much as the Jedi training to "refight the last war" set them up for destruction.
Good episode, I loved this novel from the EU days. Darth Plagueis is among my favorite characters in the universe and the story is definitely a great buildup to the prequels, it should still be canon.
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LoL I just imagined palpatine doing orgies.
That one horrific picture.
42:20 that reminds me of a quote that I read from a gold miner in the 1880s “ ever step a man takes holding nitroglycerin is a challenge to god.” Seems to fit when you use the dark side at the level that Plaguies and Sidious were.
"hopefully going to be bringing a more permanent upload basis"
you say this every time LOL
This is true. This time we mean it though. 'Honest.
well I certainly hope so :P i love the Council Forcecast series
I prepare my stasis chamber for just for sure.
I have been asking this question for about a year now, let's hope 22 is my lucky number
As force users, what would you like your "unique power" to be?
E.x. Shatterpoint, Kinetite, Battle Meditation etc etc
I may be alone in this, but I think Palpatine also genuinely regretted killing his family in and of itself and wasn't just annoyed that Plaguies manipulated him period. My impression of Palpatine is that while he may have truly hated his father, he wasn't sure if he wanted to KILL him, and even if he did that didn't automatically translate into a desire to kill the rest of his family. He may even have saw them as fellow prisoners of a tyrannical patriarch except that he was more openly rebellious than they were.
In other words, I think Luceno was trying to say that Palpatine had some sliver of humanity in him that he resents Plaguies taking away. A lot of real-life sociopaths are like that- they feel like they needed to "get tough" in order to survive and prosper, and part of that is denying their "softer" emotions like warmth and guilt etc., but they sometimes still had or had someone in their past that they could show that side of themselves to. When Palpatine killed his family, he killed the only people he could ever even expect to be that comfortable showing that side of himself around, and he could never show it around Plaguies since he would interpret that as weakness (as does Palpatine with everyone else). Basically, Palpatine is an asshole who is still genuinely mad that his family is dead, and he firmly blames Plaguies for this (admittedly this is also avoiding guilt and personal responsibility, but he is not 10% unreasonable in this belief).
A lot of this also comes back to Plaguies being a "machine man", and probably also the nature of his culture and upbringing. It doesn't occur to Plaguies that Palpatine might actually resent killing his family because it never really bothered Plaguies all that much when HE did it. Palpatine may be a sadistic sociopath but he is also more in touch with his emotions and is thus a bit more "human" (figuratively, not just literally), at least by comparison.
Also, as far as a "Sith Hannibal Lecter", I tend to think Palaptine is probably the closest equivalent to that, even if he is more childish and petty. He's just as good as psychology and manipulation as the cannibal is; he just applies is more as a politician and as a grand schemer. But the way he handles Anakin and even the way he pushes the buttons of the Jedi (he isn't lying when he said they tried to assassinate him and overthrow the Republic after all- he manipulated them into attempting just that. Hannibal just as bit more class and restraint, and isn't so power mad.
Well, this is very interesting. I'm inclined to agree to an extent. I think he may have felt that way in the immediate aftermath...but eventually I think something changed. Certainly by the time he takes his revenge on Plagueis. Luceno has stated that his intent was to try his best NOT to make Palpatine someone the readers could relate to. At the end of the day he still wanted him to be a monster. No...while I can totally see where you're coming from, I do think that once all was said and done, Palpatine really took issue with the manner in which Plagueis played him. I don't think he cared all that much for the fact that he'd killed off his family in the end. Especially since it's part of the price he paid to get where he eventually got. It was something that needed to happen in order for him to get what he wanted. In retrospect, he would never have denied that.
Given he is Palpatine (or, just given he is human), he might have simply tried to have his cake and eat it. He is glad that he set down on the dark path and ended up as the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived...but at the same time, he still wants revenge for killing his family, even if - had circumstances been different- he might have gone through with it anyway. If the initial rage was at least partly about the fact that he didn't them being killed, then even if he could rationalize it after the fact, he might still want to "get even" over it. Possibly he could just have imagined a timeline where he could have become a Dark Lord WITHOUT having to murder them all...or at least, if he did, that he could kill them in his own time and on his own terms.
But yeah, I'm more inclined to believe that he just isn't being 100% rational, nor does he care to be. Since he is the Dark Lord of the Sith, perhaps he feels that he doesn't need to be either- might makes right and all that.
I thought Form V was a combination of Shii-Cho, Makashi and Soresu? Soresu defence, Shii-Cho sweeps and Makashi precision
I have a really hard time making decisions about anything and choosing a lightsaber form is no exception: which is why I think Niman would be perfect for me, since I can use the strengths from every other form I like. The other forms I seem to like or go back and forth between are Makashi, Soresu and Djem So.
I'm not overly powerful, I'm very far from athletic, I have little patience for prolonged defence and my hand-eye co-ordination leaves a lot to be desired. Dear God I'm one of the Geonosis Niman practitioners
I mean, even after a year or so of casual browsing I still could not choose which lightsaber to purchase from ultra sabers (I ended up going for the random hilt "grab bag" option).
Sorry I appear to have ranted on a bit
That was a really great video and a rare full council session, it was great to see all five of you guys back on the screen :-)
Carl Coriell funnily enough it was a Dominix ( the V3 version) hilt that I was mainly interested in but others also caught my eye. In the end I got a Dark Liberator in a grab bag and absolutely love it. While it has no frills and gizmos, I love the concave/convex (I always get the two mixed up) in the centre of the hilt making for a comfortable handgrip when using one-handed.
Hope Reti and Evan hurry back from Celebration, listening to you guys is closest thing I get to an intelligent conversation on this stuff in my life
Question: Would any of you love to be part of the Lucausfilm Storygroup?
Yes! Legends Archives. Was hoping you guys would use that title. Cool image of all of you as Council members too. Really wish y all would stop bashing the new canon so much but otherwise great podcast. Definitely gonna be a hard wait for part 2.
Dat intro tho... magnificent. I look forward to seeing it on a regular basis.
Thank you SO MUCH for this podcast!
I am a Shii cho and ataru specialist. Basically I am a mix between mugen and gregor clegane. My 2 sparring buddies are either skinny and not very strong or slow and strong. I also have some skill in soresu. If I use duel blade I am all defense and just wait till they fuck up or burn out. Also just to inform I use duel blades if I it 2 on one.
Council Forcecast? On Matt's channel? What's this planet coming to? xD
...finally talking about something I actually like :)
I feel that pain, bro. I feel that pain.
+GreyJedi91 who are the two miraluken?
He got a new webcam.
+Reti4 Just a big question: Do you think it's a good idea to bring Mace Windu back? Because rumors are saying he might come back episode 8. I really hope it's just a rumor. :(
YAY A NEW FORCECAST WITH EVERYBODY!
As an Aspie myself, I can say that theres a big difference between liking order and needing it. ;o)
My 5 favorit youtubers. I am looking forward to see your up-comming videos. Your 5 are doing a great job.
Realistically, outside of Star Wars... the Glactic Empire was all human, because in the era of A New Hope it was very common to cast British actors in the role of villains.
Also, I can't help but think Plagueis's party is a nod to Bohemian Grove.
Question for the council.
addressing all
If you were the writer/director for either rebels or episode 8 what direction would you take the next film/season and what elements from the old expanded universe would you implement?
thanks! keep up the videos!
Coming back and watching these older videos highlights to me how much all of your force powers have grown. The council was more awkward then I remembered. Not that this isn't super enjoyable
Okay finally back from my performance
Perfect watching material for dinner
It's totally possible that James Luceno is a fan of "The Princess Bride" and used the Inigo/Wesley fight as inspiration for the Plagueis/Venamis duel.
"chance is the one element missing from any periodic table": wonder if there's a literary reference in there? In Lolita, Humbert Humbert says of Charlotte Haze's death that man cannot commit the perfect murder - chance, however, can. Given Humbert Humbert's role in Lolita, that sets up some (aptly) dark resonances, given Sidious's part in birthing Anakin in the Force.
I agree with Greyjedi91's assessment of how the Rule of Two sith were all relatively consistent when it came to power, Darth Bane in Dynasty of Evil is not that far behind Darth Sidious in ROTS when it comes to raw power, even Vader by the time of ROTJ was 80% as strong as Palpatine and the fact that James Luceno admitted that had Plaguies been awake when Palpatine tried to zap him with Force lightning Plagueis might have won albeit a slim chance of winning but it was quite within his capabilities as both a force wielder and duelist.
The novel states they are equa at the time of tpm so it works with death of the author
1:38:43
I learned that when I read Palpatine's backstory and I imagined it being more like how Anakin used the force for his podracing. Something Palpatine did without being aware of it and that it was merely an amplification of his already considerable charisma. The same way Anakin used the force as an extension of his existing piloting skills.
Ha, I’d wager Palpatine was fully aware and had active control given his easy hatred
Oh god what Jensarrai said will give me nightmares "I do not want to imagine Palpatine having orgies" O-o Not helped it hinted he did something with one of his Emperor's Hands once :0 (What I mean is Jen mention a Game of Throne characters who had lot of orgies and compared him to Palpatine which is why I imagine Palpatine doing that!)
You guys talk about how good Luceno is as a writer, and you're right, he is... But I also really enjoy Matthew Stover and his novelization of Revenge of the Sith. That was one of the best Star Wars novels I've ever read, by far.
Oh! You're right! I didn't catch that Kreia predicted Jango's Death. That's cool.
Have to say that I found the after-episode-discussion almost the best part ;)
The part about Darth Bane was the best lol
Great discussion. I really enjoyed listening
I can Imagine a sith lord whose public identity is a chef. Behold my skills with gourment. Lol! or even more funnier as a comedian.
plagueis is my personal favorite sith. He's at least to me the most intruiging sith lord with his arc over the novel. He's was cunning, powerful and dangerous and had MASSIVE potential if he gets his own movie. Also, I like antoines hat. :)
33:10 I’d say palatines quote is true in the sense that half the galaxy think the Jedi are a myth or had died out, the other half either think they are heroes or over blown .( at least during the prequel era to Luke founding the NJO and it pushing out legends like Katarn or Jaden Korr by the vong wars and before the prequels they are very well established ..)
I always think of Niman as the contention form. Because its built around the principles of moderation and balance, you only do what you need to contend and stay in the duel. Its was one of reasons behind its conception, to allow Jedi Consulars to contend with Guardians and Warriors blade to blade instead of dominating the fight, that was saved for the force and martial disarmament techniques (TPLA.) Also Niman is only the best on its own on paper, with all other variables remaining constant or absent, which isn't the case in live combat against seasoned duelists or fighters i.e Vader, Malgus, Dooku, Malak, Jerec and even Skywalker. Also Nice stab, "So you are basically Darth Zannah" he he ha ha.
When looking for Palpatine, how would Bane handle it? I honestly think Bane would probably send Zannah in to bring Palpatine out arm over shoulder, that is if she is in his ranks already. If not, probably sit in the middle of the campus on a bench, pretend to read a datapad, and extend his sense outward to find the prodigy, how hard could it be. Possibly pose as an employer, for "risk" analysis and use the interview to ask about how far his ambitions go. As for this burn down the school analogy, this is Star Wars, a bomb would be easier, plus this is Naboo where nearly all the buildings are marble.
I see Connor is going for that "Hipster Jedi" look.
I would really like to see a Plagueis vs Kreia match,not a fight but more of a philosophical debate between the two.
Questions:
What book will you be reviewing next?
Favourite character from Star Wars?
Who's the best duelist in Star Wars?
I don't know if you guys have a schedule or a plan, but after Plagueis, I'd like to see you guys tackle the Darth Bane trilogy.
guys we need more of these kind of videos.
Really Evannova95? You would not recommend going to a drug filled sex orgy? NERD. Really Reti4? You want the guy who makes a drug filled sex orgy on a monthly basis to take a women and put her in a dungeon? Typical British thinking. KINKY. But in all seriousness great Council Forcecast, I can not wait for part 2 to come out in 4 months. Aside from the Darth Bane bashing, seriously what the fuck, great Council Forcecast. I have to say that, in my opinion, The Darth Plagueis novel also show why The Sith and The Jedi had to be destroyed and why they needed a fresh start. The Jedi became weak and pathetic, while The Sith became too powerful and, once again in my opinion, stopped being Sith. The Sith are about controlling The Galaxy and destroying The Jedi, not about being gods lording over The Force itself. That is all.
P.S. Great artwork at the start of the video and I rate the look of Jenserai1 (not the artwork) 10/10 great hair.
The Ned Stark scene was exactly what I thought of before you said it. :)
My Lightsaver form would be Niman, the idea of contentious opposition and concordant opposition mixed with a judicious balance of techniques always appealed and that since it was so free form one could theoretically apply to any situation and configure it to suit your needs, being able to kerp your opponents off balance by switching techniques appeals to my sensibilities, unlike a character like Vader who will just batter or slice you to ribbons with tried and true techniques, also the first 3 forms since if all else fails switching to form 1 due to its simplistic bladework might just get the job done.
Am I wrong in thinking that Plagueis had actually grown beyond what Tenebrous created, at least in some ways? In The Tenebrous Way, Ten said that as he began to enter Plag he realized that he had severely underestimated his apprentice's connection to the Force. Plag also made a few references to ways in which he looked down on Ten. Had he grown beyond Ten's intentions for him? Or was it a minor miscalculation of his Force ability plus Plag's own arrogance?
30:40 I personally view it as the Golden age in the sense that there are 10,000 Jedi in the galaxy to only 2 Sith and there are at least 20 Jedi of this era that are among the wisest and most powerful ever produced by the order( Yoda, Windu, Kenobi, Fisto, Quigon , Anakin, Vos etc.) but on the flip side as Connor pointed out, except for some Mavericks like Jinn or Vos the Jedi are painfully set into their ways and rarely adapt till the end of the clone war( and die for t) and also except for the greats the other 9,900 Jedi are light weights like Jo casta or Coleman Trevor. So it’s a bit of a mixed bag. But in terms of military might I’d argue the Jedi at their peak were either the NJO post bong war or Old republic fighting Vitiate and Malgus.
Antoine does not want to be there lol
why do you think so? He's in large part the one in charge of organizing the subject matter of these sessions...
+GreyJedi91 I don't doubt that. Just the look on his face bruh chill
Ok. Was only curious.
I want to thank you guys for the video it was fun, but I will say that the essence of each character in that they all have MULTIPLE forms and styles that bleed into each other some more than others like... everyone is a mixture of it all in a different frame work. I do love the bit about lineages on how teachers influence down the line as you go.
Meh, that's how he usually looks.
You guys should do dark empire or the thrawn trilogy
i realy enjoy your Council Forcecasts, keep it up! i liked the kind of video about Sidious, all this weaknesses and actual advantages, would be nice if you do that sort of thing with other persons (most likely siths :D)
I think that fight may have worked a bit better, if plagueis had a sneaking suspicion that venemous was coming. Like if his force tuned instincts had told him something was coming but he didn't know what it was, that fight would have worked better.
This novel had so much going on every page, I mean James Luceno is so good at wotld building and I agree if you have only watched the Star Wars films you will be lost completel as it is built on everything that came out in the EU beforehand, the bare minimum I would say you would need to to habe read to understand this novel is the Darth Bane Trilogy and even then there are references to obscure characters, technology and creatures along with planets from everywhere in the Expsnded Universe.