EvanNova95 Did you just say "Sidious and Palpatine" instead of "Sidious and Vader" when you talked about the star destroyer incident that drew them out? Godamnit Evan what time was it when you were recording?
"We are all of us, always being tested, my friend. Tests make us stronger, and strength is power, and power is the point. We must pass all the tests we face… Or die in the effort." Pretty much epitomizes the book for me. The theme for the Rebels, the Imperials and the Sith. Rebels of Ryloth tested their strength against the Empire. But in their effort, failed. ... and died. Dray tested his resolve against Moff Mars. But in his effort, went mad ... and died. And a master tested the determination of his apprentice. And in his effort, he set him deeper down the dark path.
+Antoine Bandele This book really did have good points like that. There were passages where the writing was kinda crap; there were passages that were *brilliant.* The relation between Sith master and apprentice though, you are right, that is a different vibe than most people are used to. It's kind of sexual tension, it's kind of violent. Sort of S&M. I know of no other place where one adult has that kind of power over another. That execution scene was unexpectedly touching (heh, the best kind, amirite?)
Antoine Bandele The reason this cast is so good is because you guys don't agree on everything, and I'm not interested in watching an echo chamber, so it was great to see such a divisive topic this time. I hope everything gets sorted out so you guys can debate about Dark Disciple and more stuff
trixelpix1 I also felt that they were attacking the book needlessly especially evan who I think was emotional and pissy. But I do agree with Connor's view of how they fucked over the EU's Ryloth.
I have a different opinion on the context that Vader's fighting style is depicted. if you think about it in terms of who is fighting who and Vader is fighting against rebels, who have regular human capabilities and only physical strength to rely on while Vader and Palpatine still have their force augumented abillities. Meaning, that compared to the rebels Vader still moves blindingly fast while hes cutting them down and i think especially the way hes been depicted in media lately specifically games and books that from a regular perspective he does have very fast and powerful movments.
In my opinion the parts with Vader and the scenes with him and the Emperor together were my favorite. Every time those parts came up I wanted to see more of it, I wanted to see more of how they function as apprentice and master.
I agree with Antoine that Palpatine acted the way he did because of his testing of Vader. I think the problem is that all of you still think with your notions from the Legends canon. Even though the characters are the same they have different motivations.
It seems like everyone has their own opinions here in this review except Evannova95, his opinion revolves around what ever Jensaarai1 says and is always opposed to what ever Antoine says lol.
What a relief! I thought you guys had a falling out or something. Glad the greatest Star Wars podcast in the galaxy is back. Looking forward to the new episodes!
Antoine looked so done throughout most of this LOL And I pretty much agree with him on everything regarding the book. I thought it was really good, personally. P.S., when was this recorded?
"Why didn't Palpatine crush the Twi'leks more effectively; why sacrifice a Star Destroyer?" Easy, if you understand the sound of one hand clapping... In the Clone Wars, Sidious was effectively making his sock puppets fight each other, right? He had a Republic hand and a Separatist hand- really the same being, really the same hand, the one hand clapping. Sidious seems to favor the threat narrative. 'Oh, the Jedi attack put a butt on my forehead. Theyre traitors now. Give me emergency power.' Only now, it's more like theatrics too keep more power, because apparently (sarcasm) there are terrorists who are dangerous enough to bring down Star Destroyers and almost kill the two most powerful people in the Empire in one swift stroke. Well that's serious, we better build a Death Star. And if you oppose the Death Star... you want the terrorists to win. The right wrong answers, my friends. The right wrong answers.
MY GOD CONNOR! i was just about to get to sleep because its 5AM here in scotland but then you have to upload this and now i cant sleep without watching it
"Credits, Star Destroyers, Imperial lives, they're all meaningless to Vader..." -- Galen Marek, TFU. Couldn't help but think about this quote when discussing Palpatine's motives to play the scheme the way he did. It's a thought. What a disappointment this was, this really needed a lot more focus on Vader and Palpatine, and add things to the relationship. Kind of makes me want to write that Rule of Two Sith fanfic I've been thinking about more now, dang the idea dump I just got...
My opinion on how Vader conducted himself in fights in this book was a result of whom he was fighting against. In every situation he was in, it was required for him to operate quickly against non-force sensitive foes like the rebels who were running away or against hundreds of bugs that were bigger than him. So if he did his typical slow and steady approach it would either guarantee the rebels escape or, in the other situation, be overwhelmed by the bugs.
Antoine’s face has been literally mine the whole rewatching I’ve been doing. Especially anytime Evan talks. Connor at least has great points or can go into his reasons, Evan just stumbles in. I need grayjedi91 and Antoine to do their own reviews together 😂
Yeah I thought Evan was odd in the way he explained some of his opinions lol, but I ultimately disagree with Antoine the book was really misleading in a nutshell
@@braxtongrundy4625 Evan is great but I just don’t see eye to eye with him most of the time. That’s a fair opinion, I personally leaned towards Antoine’s opinion on the book but I’m not nearly as versed in the old EU as many. I appreciate the relationship that Vader and sidious share in the book though.
Not one of their best podcasts. I don't think any of them did a good job discussing the book, it was more about stating their own opinions. While it's clear a majority didn't fancy the book I don't think they really heard out the guy who did. It felt more like ... this is my point and opinion and its better. *shrug* I really enjoyed their Tarkin review, even when there was stuff they disagreed on that didn't deter them from digging deep. Their micro-fueding (I know I probably made that word up) took away from the overall quality of the review. In any case I enjoyed the book. I think the title is definitely misleading but that doesn't take away from the book itself. It was a good story, especially the stuff between the Moff and that guy scheming against her. Vader/Sidious scenes were good. Rebels had a cool cast of characters.
I sort of disagree with the point that Vader at this point shouldn't be thinking about his past life. I'm of the idea that his past life and regret were always on vader's mind. I remember seeing it somewhere in the EU that Palpatine thought that Vader clinging to his past and his guilt limited his force potential more than his mech suit. His point is backed up in the Darth Plagueis book when Damask claimed that extreme cyberization doesn't limit someone's ability to use the force. Thoughts anyone?
Awesome seeing this new episode! As far as the book goes, it's one of my favorite Star Wars books ever (EU books included). It's all around fantastic. I couldn't put it down. I loved the characters, the story, and the writing. It did get a little boring when Vader and Sidious were slaughtering those lyleks. And I agree that the title and cover art were misleading. But luckily for us, Paul was able to capture Vader and Palpatine's power level and characters PERFECTLY because as we've seen with the new canon (Rebels in particular), Vader is weaker than he was in the EU (being Force pushed by Kanan and Ezra :/ ) but not in this book. Overall, I disagree with a lot of points raised. Particularly with the majority of you guys agreeing that this book was amateurish in execution and presentation. I also disagree that A New Dawn was refined. I felt AND was sloppy and unfocused and was childish in some of it's wording.
+Antoine Bandele Not to mention the book didn't really introduce anything new we already didn't know about the sith. I don't see much character development between the sith lords.
TheSunStudio1 Probably when the council sees Antoine stops over-praising a shit book. Lol I see him getting so salty because he tries so hard to believe its good, when the 3 ACTUAL Duel-tubing experts says its a piece of crap.
Good to see you guys back. Always interesting listening and then interact with my ideas of it. That said I really looking forward to council review on dark disciple since that would heavy debated. Especially some spoiler parts.
Jensaarai should really stick to doing solo videos, his elitist mannerism does not work in a group setting like this. Especially when all Evan does is nodding at his master.
I would also like to note that in my copy of the book it states that Paul was going through a tough time in his life so maybe that's why this book is below his normal range.
I like Antoine's take on the whole Sidious calling Vader friend I e I can fuck you XD Just because I can just make me imagine Palpatine saying that then whispering in his ear "I will fuck you up." XD It made me laugh thinking about it XD
Granted this one was not a fully supported novel like Heir to the Jedi was. It was of a more comic-bookish nature, but as far as it being a story that fits in to the greater universe of Star Wars, I enjoyed listening to it. If nothing else, it was nice to have some pure Sith action in the field at a time when there are no visible Jedi, and thus, the Sith wouldn't be directly involved as much. It's my favorite of the new novels alongside Heir to the Jedi.
48:00 Sergeant Deez (or whatever his name was) wasn't the clone. It mentions he had blond hair. The Captain was the clone. And while I too believe that stormtroopers are not (or shouldn't be) incompetent bad guy foot soldiers, you have to remember that half they time they're shooting at people with plot armor.
This book is basically the TOR Revan of the Disney Star Wars Canon. You guys should do novel reviews on the following books from the Legends EU: 1.Shatterpoint 2.TFU novel 3. The Thrawn Trilogy books 4. TOR Deceived 5. Darth Plagueis.
I'm so glad to see a new podcast. Are you guys still doing these? I've heard that the Forcecast is ending but hopefully you guys keep doing these because they have very good commentary on a lot of different aspects of Star Wars and it is very interesting to watch. If you guys are still doing this then a Dark Disciple review will be very entertaining! Keep it up guys! Regarding Vader's random mention of Plo Koon maybe Anakin has a secret thing for Plo Koon? We don't know but we will find out in the new Rebels episode "What Darth Vader does in his free time"...rated R.
Thank the force Antoine is in this. It’s literally just shit on the new cannon stuff (because it’s new) and then Antoine being subjectively the voice of reason
Before the Clone Wars, I only knew Ryloth from Empire at War. Ryloth was a last frontier (edge of the core worlds) world only hard to invade because of all the deserts, sandstorms, canyons and the annoyance of the populous. As always these dwebes have too narrow a Stage to, at this point even, to reconstruct a genre. Ryloth was giving the Separatists problems in TCW so they (Twileks) will only give the Empire problems so the writers can keep squeezing an old idea (not the best one) for any value due to their in-ambition to spawn up a galaxy full of problems so writers can pick and choose what they'd like to write about. It works both ways too, why did someone have to think up a new world Lothal (I've never heard of it) and a new species [(Lesots) Steve Blum.]
That ending. Is it just me or is Force Sight (which is what I'm calling it, also a play on the term "foresight") one of the most inconsistently portrayed abilities in the entire Star Wars canon?
Jen, I have a couple of matches I feel that you can do justice to, but do what you wish. -Quinlin Vos vs. Lucien Draay -T'ra Saa vs. Aanya Kuro -Feln vs. Savage Opress (short)
I just came up with an idea for what this book could have been. How about a book where instead of this we get a few (4 or 5) short stories connected through the theme of Vader's physiology. Have like one with him slaughtering a load of jedi young-lings, questioning himself, then speaking to Palpatine. Maybe have one focusing on Palpatine manipulating some political issue. You could have Cham in one of them and have the short version that Reti suggested. This would solve the issue of the time and could be a cool little unique star wars novel. Just a little idea that I came up with.
now I just got a question in mind. Why didn't Palpatine sent his doppelganger? Canonically he had at least one.Why not send a fake palpatine and see the dynamic between him and vader?
In regards to the author, maybe its like the scenario with the director for the recent Fantastic 4. He just wanted to be done with it, which resulted it in laziness?
Side note, but I guess you know this by now: Vitiate didn't kill those Jedi. He merely incapacitated them. But the fact that he did it with one small lightning storm did indeed speak volumes of his power. I have another question though: Do you consider his true persona, Valkorion, viable for the Star Wars mythos? Do you find Knights of the Fallen Empire viable at all? I mean, they have Arcann channeling Force through his mechanical arm, ffs XD
To be fair to you can do that, it just can't be done properly without a LOT of practice. I mean, look at Vader, he was mostly mechanical. Unless it was force lightning, then all I can say is, like EA cares about the facts of the franchises they milk.
Tom Jon I feel that when a force user makes a gesture to do something (EX: when Vader pinches his fingers.) it is more for show. They can easily do something without the gesturing but they choose to gesture with their arms. Force lightning is the only ability that is dependent on organic limbs.
I thought Force users used their limbs to channel their Force abilities in a better aimed way. As to better direct the energy, so to speak. Doing it with just the mind required way more concentration.
+Crimson Gamer I actually recently suggested we should review Legends canon books as well. I was thinking we could start with Truce at Bakura, which will be overwritten by Aftermath.
I liked the book. But for me, it was very "meh." Not the best, but it wasn't terrible. I would rate it an "okay." The book had three plots really, at least that's how I would divide it: *The Vader and Palpatine story *The Free Ryloth movement *The Mors vs Dray story. Of the three parts, I was most invested in the Mors vs Dray story line was my personal favorite. I found myself the most invested in that particular story, and I thought (my own opinion) that it was the most well-done and most well thought out story. Also, A. props for making Mors a lesbian, and B. props for making it subtle.
+SirJedi Consular Yes, the Mors line was good. I don't understand why everyone's so confused as to her competency. I mean, she was a Moff before tragedy struck her life and she just decided to stay high. She had to be a capable individual to start with. They don't just hand out the title of Moff. When she sobered up, it was like awakening a sleeping giant. I don't get why people don't see that.
Nine times out of ten, I tend to find Antoine somewhat annoying. However, in this instance, even I must commend the man for the conviction he displayed throughout this entire video, stating and standing by his opinions, despite knowing that the other three disagreed with pretty much everything he was saying. That takes balls - big brass balls!!!
YEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!! I was so sad when I thought this was cancelled but now there is hope It might be A New Hope!! Hahahahahaha...........you can force choke me now
hello, i hope this comes out as humbly and respectful as possible and i mean no disrespect in any way i only wish to possibly offer some help to you Jensaari1 as well as Reti, Evennova, and mr Bandele if they're at all interested as well im a long time fan and i was once a tattoo artist now just working independent and im offering to do some artwork for your guys vs series im not asking for any money at all i simply want to do this because ive noticed a lack of some art for some of the more obscure characters and thought it might help and id do any requests you might need i apologize if this is the incorrect way to contact you- i simply dont know of any other way at this time again thank you very much and i dearly hope this hasn't come off impolite in any way
i know jensaarai 1 doesnt like TCW but is there anything in the clone was that he likes. would like to see what he did like of the clone wars, between episodes, ships, characters, plot lines, weapons and tech. and do a video on what he would like to improve or change on each episode( i know alot of this would be his rants) but it would be cool to see his opinions on it, i dont think he hates the entire clone wars series, i know there is some things that he does like or somewhat like. like me one of the changes of one of the episodes would be is having dooku vs savage vs ventress also add(like dooku didn't leave right away, even though i know he sensed anakin and obi-wan showing up) but having it turn into a fight of dooku vs savage vs ventress vs obi-wan and anakin. would make for an epic duel. and then during the duel dooku finds a way to distract everyone and escape with ventress on his tale and the fight would go to back to what we know of savage vs obi-wan and anakin. just my thought on one of the changes i would like to see in TCW
Yess *^* i wanted these to return soo long, and finally we get to hear something of reti and jen, yes i know he collaborated with Evan recently but... yeah Some more time with jen and reti :D
Good video. Glad to see a new episode. I read the description, would that mean you've recorded more episodes but just haven't finished editing them yet?
before I thought I didn't have the book then they showed the cover and I instantly went around searching for it yelling I HAVE THIS BOOK! I HAVE THIS BOOK! I never read it I don't know why though. seems like a good book.
How does everyone feel about SWTOR by the way? I feel like any of the class stories could've been its own interesting game if they were given the attention. The Imperial Agent is my favorite, followed by the rest of the Empire stories, but no story is bad, just less good than the others. Although some of the best parts are playing a light-side sith in the presence of a Jedi. They just can't seem to control their bloodlust. ;)
During the time between RoS and ANW, did Sidious actually train Vader in the dark side? It seems like Vader was always out and about as enforcer or Sidious was having to help keep Vader focused on his new life, not his old one, and so not a lot of Sith training seemed to happen. Was Vader trained by Sidious in aspects of the dark side and its not depicted much?
I get the feeling it's more like Sidious occasionally gives Vader knowledge of the Dark Side, verbal lessons more than any arcane teachings, and pushes Vader in the direction of figuring out how to use the dark side to achieve his ends.
I must admit I feel that Lords of the Sith shows Paul S Kemps failings as a writer (He's good but he has mistakes) Whenever he has a novel about a villan he ends up focusing on the antagonist (Or Lightsider) more than the villan who is the main protagonist I first saw this in Decieved but this book locked my opinion in for Paul S Kemp as a writer. (Still better than Drew Karpshen after Darth Bane POD)
The description says to blame Reti4 so. Ahem. REEETIIIIIFOUUURRRR!!! In all seriousness problems happen every day and they're higher things in life then the Internet so Don't worry about it. LOL
The Empire looses badly, remember the Peace Brigade, how bad would the populace be after decades of oppression and disenfranchisement. Forget rebels it’ll be a revolution The the Yuuzhang Vong would just stomp
Hey there guys. I need some help. Im trying to think of a good matchup for count dooku. I want to pit him against either a Djem so, Niman, or Qui-Gon Jinn style Ataru specialist. What do you think?
In general without getting other things involved, Djem so typically beats Makashi (Dooku's style), Dooku typically beats Ataru but that depends on the being involved (think Yoda V Dooku in AOTC).
I thought it was very lack luster, Nothing really was reviled and Darth Vader and Sidious wern't even really part of it. I dislike the way that the book focused on the Rebels more than Vader and Sidious. Star wars books always have that back and forth between good and bad guys but this book really did bring anything New to the table or amazing, it was just a run of the mill story made for the Rebels TV show which is awesome and I can't wait for more. But I really felt that this book should have been called something like Flame of Hope, or The Hunt would have been better titles. But this is what we have, still this book was OK nothing to write home about.
It was not what I was expecting. But I enjoyed it none the less. I felt like this book wasn't realistic and downplayed the Empire as a whole. It was a shame they killed Col. Dray I liked him.
My overall thoughts of this book, if I had to summarize in one word is disappointment. The tittle is one of the most important things to a book, it's part of the first impression, the thesis, the hook to why should i read this. This tittle will mislead the fans of Darth Pleagus and give you something that has shades of what you want out of a Sith based book, but not the spirit or expansion of a dark side book. In the end I got a rebels serial episode when I wanted an expansion of THE LORDS OF THE SITH. That's why this book fails for me it "lies" to you. The story itself was okay, but it was like Conner said, I just wanted to get back to Vader, the fight scenes, the parts the author wanted to write, that i found really good. The rest felt like filler and repetition. Plus the end of the book really pissed me off because it ended so abrupt and fast? Overall I can see why people like this, but it could be so much more. A real disappointment. 6/10
I HATE CAPTIAN AMERICA. Just a pontificant, self righteous over glorified gymnast who gets favor not because of what he does (nothing compared to the master chief) but bleeding heart platitudes that just generate discord, everyone has a dark side, he claims he doesn't (avengers assemble, hated it stopped watching.) Not to mention so many of his scenes bend the fight around him, so many Hydra soldiers had the muzzle to his head and didn't fire. Ultron had a grip on his neck and for a whole 10 seconds didn't break it (his neck), and we didn't see how he got Ultron in a chokehold. Had hopes for Marvel now I'm in an anti comic movie camp: just plotless, lighthearted, glitzy animated, slideshows.
We apologize for the long delay. Hopefully you enjoy this episode as well as those to come!
EvanNova95 Did you just say "Sidious and Palpatine" instead of "Sidious and Vader" when you talked about the star destroyer incident that drew them out? Godamnit Evan what time was it when you were recording?
+Alex Greaney well it looks like there is sunlight coming from his window sooo
...., maybe its jetlag, evan were you somewhere not at home.
StarWarFan Evan's drunk again.
lol im sensing tension between you and Antione.
Super SwegWill Incoming versus series episode.
"We are all of us, always being tested, my friend. Tests make us stronger, and strength is power, and power is the point. We must pass all the tests we face… Or die in the effort."
Pretty much epitomizes the book for me. The theme for the Rebels, the Imperials and the Sith.
Rebels of Ryloth tested their strength against the Empire. But in their effort, failed. ... and died.
Dray tested his resolve against Moff Mars. But in his effort, went mad ... and died.
And a master tested the determination of his apprentice. And in his effort, he set him deeper down the dark path.
Antoine Bandele dude i feel so sorry for you they were just attacking that book
+trixelpix1 how so? the book is average at best and it's extremely overrated, he's taking up for a subpar book that don't make sense!
+Antoine Bandele This book really did have good points like that. There were passages where the writing was kinda crap; there were passages that were *brilliant.*
The relation between Sith master and apprentice though, you are right, that is a different vibe than most people are used to. It's kind of sexual tension, it's kind of violent. Sort of S&M. I know of no other place where one adult has that kind of power over another.
That execution scene was unexpectedly touching (heh, the best kind, amirite?)
Antoine Bandele The reason this cast is so good is because you guys don't agree on everything, and I'm not interested in watching an echo chamber, so it was great to see such a divisive topic this time. I hope everything gets sorted out so you guys can debate about Dark Disciple and more stuff
trixelpix1 I also felt that they were attacking the book needlessly especially evan who I think was emotional and pissy.
But I do agree with Connor's view of how they fucked over the EU's Ryloth.
I have a different opinion on the context that Vader's fighting style is depicted. if you think about it in terms of who is fighting who and Vader is fighting against rebels, who have regular human capabilities and only physical strength to rely on while Vader and Palpatine still have their force augumented abillities. Meaning, that compared to the rebels Vader still moves blindingly fast while hes cutting them down and i think especially the way hes been depicted in media lately specifically games and books that from a regular perspective he does have very fast and powerful movments.
In my opinion the parts with Vader and the scenes with him and the Emperor together were my favorite. Every time those parts came up I wanted to see more of it, I wanted to see more of how they function as apprentice and master.
"I can f*ck you up" - Antoine Bandele
Antoine is getting called out
I agree with Antoine that Palpatine acted the way he did because of his testing of Vader. I think the problem is that all of you still think with your notions from the Legends canon. Even though the characters are the same they have different motivations.
It seems like everyone has their own opinions here in this review except Evannova95, his opinion revolves around what ever Jensaarai1 says and is always opposed to what ever Antoine says lol.
+Darth Callidus We all have opinions. Some just differ.
I agree. Evan has always been Jensaarai's lapdog.
It's his opinion not yours if he agrees with jeensari4 he agrees with him
@@omnitool1586 no need to be a dick man
The day I wake up and wonder when the next forcecast will come out, I see this in by subscriptions.
What a relief! I thought you guys had a falling out or something. Glad the greatest Star Wars podcast in the galaxy is back. Looking forward to the new episodes!
I'm with Antoine 100% on this one, great novel - I have loved all the novels in the new canon thus far.
Antoine looked so done throughout most of this LOL
And I pretty much agree with him on everything regarding the book. I thought it was really good, personally.
P.S., when was this recorded?
lol Ikr? Although I do dislike alot of aspects of the book I really felt for Antoine
"Why didn't Palpatine crush the Twi'leks more effectively; why sacrifice a Star Destroyer?"
Easy, if you understand the sound of one hand clapping... In the Clone Wars, Sidious was effectively making his sock puppets fight each other, right? He had a Republic hand and a Separatist hand- really the same being, really the same hand, the one hand clapping.
Sidious seems to favor the threat narrative. 'Oh, the Jedi attack put a butt on my forehead. Theyre traitors now. Give me emergency power.' Only now, it's more like theatrics too keep more power, because apparently (sarcasm) there are terrorists who are dangerous enough to bring down Star Destroyers and almost kill the two most powerful people in the Empire in one swift stroke. Well that's serious, we better build a Death Star. And if you oppose the Death Star... you want the terrorists to win.
The right wrong answers, my friends. The right wrong answers.
MY GOD CONNOR! i was just about to get to sleep because its 5AM here in scotland but then you have to upload this and now i cant sleep without watching it
Oh how I missed Jensaarai1's nerd rage rants. Welcome back sir :)
"Credits, Star Destroyers, Imperial lives, they're all meaningless to Vader..." -- Galen Marek, TFU. Couldn't help but think about this quote when discussing Palpatine's motives to play the scheme the way he did. It's a thought. What a disappointment this was, this really needed a lot more focus on Vader and Palpatine, and add things to the relationship. Kind of makes me want to write that Rule of Two Sith fanfic I've been thinking about more now, dang the idea dump I just got...
My opinion on how Vader conducted himself in fights in this book was a result of whom he was fighting against. In every situation he was in, it was required for him to operate quickly against non-force sensitive foes like the rebels who were running away or against hundreds of bugs that were bigger than him. So if he did his typical slow and steady approach it would either guarantee the rebels escape or, in the other situation, be overwhelmed by the bugs.
Antoine’s face has been literally mine the whole rewatching I’ve been doing. Especially anytime Evan talks. Connor at least has great points or can go into his reasons, Evan just stumbles in. I need grayjedi91 and Antoine to do their own reviews together 😂
Yeah I thought Evan was odd in the way he explained some of his opinions lol, but I ultimately disagree with Antoine the book was really misleading in a nutshell
@@braxtongrundy4625 Evan is great but I just don’t see eye to eye with him most of the time. That’s a fair opinion, I personally leaned towards Antoine’s opinion on the book but I’m not nearly as versed in the old EU as many. I appreciate the relationship that Vader and sidious share in the book though.
Not one of their best podcasts. I don't think any of them did a good job discussing the book, it was more about stating their own opinions. While it's clear a majority didn't fancy the book I don't think they really heard out the guy who did. It felt more like ... this is my point and opinion and its better.
*shrug*
I really enjoyed their Tarkin review, even when there was stuff they disagreed on that didn't deter them from digging deep. Their micro-fueding (I know I probably made that word up) took away from the overall quality of the review.
In any case I enjoyed the book. I think the title is definitely misleading but that doesn't take away from the book itself. It was a good story, especially the stuff between the Moff and that guy scheming against her. Vader/Sidious scenes were good. Rebels had a cool cast of characters.
And here I thought I'd be going to bed.
Correction: It's actually 5 years after ROTS right and right before Tarkin.
I sort of disagree with the point that Vader at this point shouldn't be thinking about his past life. I'm of the idea that his past life and regret were always on vader's mind. I remember seeing it somewhere in the EU that Palpatine thought that Vader clinging to his past and his guilt limited his force potential more than his mech suit. His point is backed up in the Darth Plagueis book when Damask claimed that extreme cyberization doesn't limit someone's ability to use the force. Thoughts anyone?
Ghosts. All of them ghosts.
You guys should do an episode on your favorite Star Wars books. What to read and what not to read. Keep up the great work!
Awesome seeing this new episode! As far as the book goes, it's one of my favorite Star Wars books ever (EU books included). It's all around fantastic. I couldn't put it down. I loved the characters, the story, and the writing. It did get a little boring when Vader and Sidious were slaughtering those lyleks. And I agree that the title and cover art were misleading. But luckily for us, Paul was able to capture Vader and Palpatine's power level and characters PERFECTLY because as we've seen with the new canon (Rebels in particular), Vader is weaker than he was in the EU (being Force pushed by Kanan and Ezra :/ ) but not in this book.
Overall, I disagree with a lot of points raised. Particularly with the majority of you guys agreeing that this book was amateurish in execution and presentation. I also disagree that A New Dawn was refined. I felt AND was sloppy and unfocused and was childish in some of it's wording.
You'd never think you'd get tired of Sith just cutting through hordes of lyleks. But yes ... It totally gets over done.
+Antoine Bandele Not to mention the book didn't really introduce anything new we already didn't know about the sith. I don't see much character development between the sith lords.
(also I wrote this beginning of council meeting so idk if you tocuhed bas on this)
Antoine Bandele When's the Dark Disciple review coming out?
TheSunStudio1 Probably when the council sees Antoine stops over-praising a shit book. Lol I see him getting so salty because he tries so hard to believe its good, when the 3 ACTUAL Duel-tubing experts says its a piece of crap.
Good to see you guys back. Always interesting listening and then interact with my ideas of it. That said I really looking forward to council review on dark disciple since that would heavy debated. Especially some spoiler parts.
Evan’s tripping all through this one
Jensaarai should really stick to doing solo videos, his elitist mannerism does not work in a group setting like this. Especially when all Evan does is nodding at his master.
This. A thousand times this.
I would also like to note that in my copy of the book it states that Paul was going through a tough time in his life so maybe that's why this book is below his normal range.
I like Antoine's take on the whole Sidious calling Vader friend I e I can fuck you XD Just because I can just make me imagine Palpatine saying that then whispering in his ear "I will fuck you up." XD It made me laugh thinking about it XD
The book is written like that because of the Lucas Story Group, They practically lock your creativity in a box and tell you to write off a prompt.
Granted this one was not a fully supported novel like Heir to the Jedi was. It was of a more comic-bookish nature, but as far as it being a story that fits in to the greater universe of Star Wars, I enjoyed listening to it. If nothing else, it was nice to have some pure Sith action in the field at a time when there are no visible Jedi, and thus, the Sith wouldn't be directly involved as much. It's my favorite of the new novels alongside Heir to the Jedi.
It's midnight when this was uploaded in my location, thanks.
yout welcome
48:00 Sergeant Deez (or whatever his name was) wasn't the clone. It mentions he had blond hair. The Captain was the clone. And while I too believe that stormtroopers are not (or shouldn't be) incompetent bad guy foot soldiers, you have to remember that half they time they're shooting at people with plot armor.
holy shit i missed you guys
This book is basically the TOR Revan of the Disney Star Wars Canon. You guys should do novel reviews on the following books from the Legends EU:
1.Shatterpoint
2.TFU novel
3. The Thrawn Trilogy books
4. TOR Deceived
5. Darth Plagueis.
Storm over Ryloth, Innocents of Ryloth, and Battle of Ryloth. Syndulla was in Battle of Ryloth.
I'm so glad to see a new podcast. Are you guys still doing these? I've heard that the Forcecast is ending but hopefully you guys keep doing these because they have very good commentary on a lot of different aspects of Star Wars and it is very interesting to watch. If you guys are still doing this then a Dark Disciple review will be very entertaining! Keep it up guys! Regarding Vader's random mention of Plo Koon maybe Anakin has a secret thing for Plo Koon? We don't know but we will find out in the new Rebels episode "What Darth Vader does in his free time"...rated R.
RETI4 IS ALIVE! YES!
the boys are back....thank god.
Thank the force Antoine is in this. It’s literally just shit on the new cannon stuff (because it’s new) and then Antoine being subjectively the voice of reason
Before the Clone Wars, I only knew Ryloth from Empire at War. Ryloth was a last frontier (edge of the core worlds) world only hard to invade because of all the deserts, sandstorms, canyons and the annoyance of the populous. As always these dwebes have too narrow a Stage to, at this point even, to reconstruct a genre. Ryloth was giving the Separatists problems in TCW so they (Twileks) will only give the Empire problems so the writers can keep squeezing an old idea (not the best one) for any value due to their in-ambition to spawn up a galaxy full of problems so writers can pick and choose what they'd like to write about. It works both ways too, why did someone have to think up a new world Lothal (I've never heard of it) and a new species [(Lesots) Steve Blum.]
I thought the awesomeness of the little bit you got of Vader and Sidious outweighed the bad.
That ending. Is it just me or is Force Sight (which is what I'm calling it, also a play on the term "foresight") one of the most inconsistently portrayed abilities in the entire Star Wars canon?
Jen, I have a couple of matches I feel that you can do justice to, but do what you wish.
-Quinlin Vos vs. Lucien Draay
-T'ra Saa vs. Aanya Kuro
-Feln vs. Savage Opress (short)
Leader of this "movement." Its called a revolution and/or rebellion.
Vader was a overall good person for most of his life so he might still had been struggling with his past
I just came up with an idea for what this book could have been.
How about a book where instead of this we get a few (4 or 5) short stories connected through the theme of Vader's physiology. Have like one with him slaughtering a load of jedi young-lings, questioning himself, then speaking to Palpatine. Maybe have one focusing on Palpatine manipulating some political issue. You could have Cham in one of them and have the short version that Reti suggested.
This would solve the issue of the time and could be a cool little unique star wars novel.
Just a little idea that I came up with.
now I just got a question in mind.
Why didn't Palpatine sent his doppelganger?
Canonically he had at least one.Why not send a fake palpatine and see the dynamic between him and vader?
Yes! So glad you guys are back! Keep it up!!!
In regards to the author, maybe its like the scenario with the director for the recent Fantastic 4. He just wanted to be done with it, which resulted it in laziness?
Holy shit, can it be? THE FABLED EPISODE 12?
+jenssrari1 can you do Luke skywalker walker and darth vader in a tag team match against anyone you want?
Side note, but I guess you know this by now: Vitiate didn't kill those Jedi. He merely incapacitated them. But the fact that he did it with one small lightning storm did indeed speak volumes of his power. I have another question though: Do you consider his true persona, Valkorion, viable for the Star Wars mythos? Do you find Knights of the Fallen Empire viable at all? I mean, they have Arcann channeling Force through his mechanical arm, ffs XD
To be fair to you can do that, it just can't be done properly without a LOT of practice. I mean, look at Vader, he was mostly mechanical. Unless it was force lightning, then all I can say is, like EA cares about the facts of the franchises they milk.
Tom Jon I feel that when a force user makes a gesture to do something (EX: when Vader pinches his fingers.) it is more for show. They can easily do something without the gesturing but they choose to gesture with their arms. Force lightning is the only ability that is dependent on organic limbs.
I thought Force users used their limbs to channel their Force abilities in a better aimed way. As to better direct the energy, so to speak. Doing it with just the mind required way more concentration.
Will you guys review some of the older EU books? Or are you sticking to the new canon?
+Crimson Gamer I actually recently suggested we should review Legends canon books as well. I was thinking we could start with Truce at Bakura, which will be overwritten by Aftermath.
+Antoine Bandele that would be awesome! I'm new to the EU so getting your guy's opinion on books would really help me out in terms of what to buy.
+Crimson Gamer What is the Star Wars Canon? U mean bull....
Loved Lords of the Sith. Listened to it several times on audible and enjoyed thoroughly.
I liked the book. But for me, it was very "meh." Not the best, but it wasn't terrible. I would rate it an "okay."
The book had three plots really, at least that's how I would divide it:
*The Vader and Palpatine story
*The Free Ryloth movement
*The Mors vs Dray story.
Of the three parts, I was most invested in the Mors vs Dray story line was my personal favorite. I found myself the most invested in that particular story, and I thought (my own opinion) that it was the most well-done and most well thought out story.
Also, A. props for making Mors a lesbian, and B. props for making it subtle.
I agree completely about the Moff storyline. It was the most interesting to me until the very end.
+SirJedi Consular Yes, the Mors line was good. I don't understand why everyone's so confused as to her competency. I mean, she was a Moff before tragedy struck her life and she just decided to stay high. She had to be a capable individual to start with. They don't just hand out the title of Moff. When she sobered up, it was like awakening a sleeping giant.
I don't get why people don't see that.
Nine times out of ten, I tend to find Antoine somewhat annoying. However, in this instance, even I must commend the man for the conviction he displayed throughout this entire video, stating and standing by his opinions, despite knowing that the other three disagreed with pretty much everything he was saying. That takes balls - big brass balls!!!
Personally no problem with the change to Ryloth in its style. Fine and interesting enough, though I never was an avid fan of the classic EU.
YEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!
I was so sad when I thought this was cancelled but now there is hope
It might be
A New Hope!!
Hahahahahaha...........you can force choke me now
DB6195 Not until I saw that joke that I started to feel the hate flow through me.(joke) I hate puns!
+LightwithintheShadow Apology accepted Captain Needa......
Seems like most of the problems with this book would be fixed with it taking place 18 BBY instead of 14 BBY
Another thing too is when he used that line about lovers in a romance novel I was like "Um where is this going?" XD
Also can you do Set Harth vs Xanatos
He's back!
hello, i hope this comes out as humbly and respectful as possible and i mean no disrespect in any way i only wish to possibly offer some help to you Jensaari1 as well as Reti, Evennova, and mr Bandele if they're at all interested as well
im a long time fan and i was once a tattoo artist now just working independent and im offering to do some artwork for your guys vs series
im not asking for any money at all i simply want to do this because ive noticed a lack of some art for some of the more obscure characters and thought it might help and id do any requests you might need
i apologize if this is the incorrect way to contact you- i simply dont know of any other way at this time
again thank you very much and i dearly hope this hasn't come off impolite in any way
i know jensaarai 1 doesnt like TCW but is there anything in the clone was that he likes. would like to see what he did like of the clone wars, between episodes, ships, characters, plot lines, weapons and tech. and do a video on what he would like to improve or change on each episode( i know alot of this would be his rants) but it would be cool to see his opinions on it, i dont think he hates the entire clone wars series, i know there is some things that he does like or somewhat like. like me one of the changes of one of the episodes would be is having dooku vs savage vs ventress also add(like dooku didn't leave right away, even though i know he sensed anakin and obi-wan showing up) but having it turn into a fight of dooku vs savage vs ventress vs obi-wan and anakin. would make for an epic duel. and then during the duel dooku finds a way to distract everyone and escape with ventress on his tale and the fight would go to back to what we know of savage vs obi-wan and anakin. just my thought on one of the changes i would like to see in TCW
Yess *^*
i wanted these to return soo long, and finally we get to hear something of reti and jen, yes i know he collaborated with Evan recently but... yeah Some more time with jen and reti :D
I've seen that book in so many stores but forgetting always to buy it
Good video. Glad to see a new episode. I read the description, would that mean you've recorded more episodes but just haven't finished editing them yet?
So, what do you think Sidious enjoys more - trolling or killing?
Be a killing troll!
When is Ryloth not revolting against something
before I thought I didn't have the book then they showed the cover and I instantly went around searching for it yelling I HAVE THIS BOOK! I HAVE THIS BOOK! I never read it I don't know why though. seems like a good book.
The episode Cham was on is called liberty on ryloth
How does everyone feel about SWTOR by the way?
I feel like any of the class stories could've been its own interesting game if they were given the attention. The Imperial Agent is my favorite, followed by the rest of the Empire stories, but no story is bad, just less good than the others.
Although some of the best parts are playing a light-side sith in the presence of a Jedi. They just can't seem to control their bloodlust. ;)
Reti4's voice is super cool!
During the time between RoS and ANW, did Sidious actually train Vader in the dark side? It seems like Vader was always out and about as enforcer or Sidious was having to help keep Vader focused on his new life, not his old one, and so not a lot of Sith training seemed to happen. Was Vader trained by Sidious in aspects of the dark side and its not depicted much?
I get the feeling it's more like Sidious occasionally gives Vader knowledge of the Dark Side, verbal lessons more than any arcane teachings, and pushes Vader in the direction of figuring out how to use the dark side to achieve his ends.
It's about time! It took long enough, lol
+Jensaarai1 when is your next versus series video coming out
I've been waiting for another one of these
It's strange how opinions work. I for one rated this book and think it's much better that Heir to the Jedi. I struggled picking that up tbh
I must admit I feel that Lords of the Sith shows Paul S Kemps failings as a writer (He's good but he has mistakes) Whenever he has a novel about a villan he ends up focusing on the antagonist (Or Lightsider) more than the villan who is the main protagonist I first saw this in Decieved but this book locked my opinion in for Paul S Kemp as a writer. (Still better than Drew Karpshen after Darth Bane POD)
The description says to blame Reti4 so. Ahem. REEETIIIIIFOUUURRRR!!!
In all seriousness problems happen every day and they're higher things in life then the Internet so Don't worry about it. LOL
great analysis guys great vid
My mind is always thinking: Is there stormtroopers who guard the death star from rebel spies? That would be a good novel.
I personally loved the book. I mean that whole lylek horde thing kinda carried on to long had me yawning a bit but other that I rly enjoyed it.
Can you do Obi wan kenobi from Star wars attack of the clones vs Tcw season 4 asajj ventress.
You guys should colab on a yuuzhan vong vs galactic empire video
The Empire looses badly, remember the Peace Brigade, how bad would the populace be after decades of oppression and disenfranchisement. Forget rebels it’ll be a revolution The the Yuuzhang Vong would just stomp
Will you guys be reviewing Dark Disciple ?
Hey there guys. I need some help. Im trying to think of a good matchup for count dooku. I want to pit him against either a Djem so, Niman, or Qui-Gon Jinn style Ataru specialist. What do you think?
In general without getting other things involved, Djem so typically beats Makashi (Dooku's style), Dooku typically beats Ataru but that depends on the being involved (think Yoda V Dooku in AOTC).
I thought it was very lack luster, Nothing really was reviled and Darth Vader and Sidious wern't even really part of it. I dislike the way that the book focused on the Rebels more than Vader and Sidious. Star wars books always have that back and forth between good and bad guys but this book really did bring anything New to the table or amazing, it was just a run of the mill story made for the Rebels TV show which is awesome and I can't wait for more. But I really felt that this book should have been called something like Flame of Hope, or The Hunt would have been better titles. But this is what we have, still this book was OK nothing to write home about.
hey can you do Darth Malgus vs Darth Bane?
It was not what I was expecting. But I enjoyed it none the less. I felt like this book wasn't realistic and downplayed the Empire as a whole. It was a shame they killed Col. Dray I liked him.
Nice goatee Conner.
The rule of two sith never stop testing each other. The book is good but like the rest of the new books it does not do much for the Canon
u leave me and my secret crew of virgin warriors alone
My overall thoughts of this book, if I had to summarize in one word is disappointment. The tittle is one of the most important things to a book, it's part of the first impression, the thesis, the hook to why should i read this. This tittle will mislead the fans of Darth Pleagus and give you something that has shades of what you want out of a Sith based book, but not the spirit or expansion of a dark side book. In the end I got a rebels serial episode when I wanted an expansion of THE LORDS OF THE SITH. That's why this book fails for me it "lies" to you.
The story itself was okay, but it was like Conner said, I just wanted to get back to Vader, the fight scenes, the parts the author wanted to write, that i found really good. The rest felt like filler and repetition. Plus the end of the book really pissed me off because it ended so abrupt and fast?
Overall I can see why people like this, but it could be so much more. A real disappointment. 6/10
Why did he disappear for awhile there?
oh hey, antoine and i have the same headphones
maybe plo koon was vaders favorite star wars character XD
I HATE CAPTIAN AMERICA. Just a pontificant, self righteous over glorified gymnast who gets favor not because of what he does (nothing compared to the master chief) but bleeding heart platitudes that just generate discord, everyone has a dark side, he claims he doesn't (avengers assemble, hated it stopped watching.) Not to mention so many of his scenes bend the fight around him, so many Hydra soldiers had the muzzle to his head and didn't fire. Ultron had a grip on his neck and for a whole 10 seconds didn't break it (his neck), and we didn't see how he got Ultron in a chokehold. Had hopes for Marvel now I'm in an anti comic movie camp: just plotless, lighthearted, glitzy animated, slideshows.
If you guys ever do one on Dark Desciple, I'd love to give my input, as I found the story interesting.
Legacy Era Stormtroopers can fucking shoot =)