A quick update because many of you asked (and also dont follow me on twitter). Phd presentation went really well last week. I had to deliver the presentation to the university online.... so I was completely in my element! lol. For those asking, my Phd is about developing and evaluating computer coding clubs for kids with autism. I designed a program which is strength-based, meaning, we look at what people can do rather than what they can't do. I now have about 6 months to finishing writing my journal articles and I will be FREEE! Because I have more freedom when writing, you should see plenty of livestreams (even if they are just short). I cant stream on twitch today because the site seems down. Hope you all well, and enjoy the Destiny lore video!
Hrm.... RASPUTIN painfully can just 'speak Physically' towards her like during that Lore tab of the [Tatarstan]'s. Not like any of 'us' Guardians are listening in on him finally speaking 'normal'. [grumbles at RASPUTIN's typical uncooperation of normal 'English' speech] keep it up. There is also that new Lore book that got updated last Week too to be covered in time (if it gets it's entries updated by Tomorrow).
Hm, that's a good thing for 'us'. (05:34). Guass, anti-matter, SERAPH energies....What else are there did the Golden Age have for their overkilling ordnances? [hummed in interest for more sci-fi munitions after the [Traveler]'s arrival]
@@DemiSamaKun I thought the same. Would've been easier for those 3 to identify it was Felwinter if he (from Centuries ago) left behind traces of [Void-[Light]] from that breached entrance still to this Day. Remember (for those Guardian Huner-players whom got their [Void-[Light]] the first time 5+ Years ago) Tevis with his [Shadowshot]?....
I like your theories and the connection between Ana and Rasputin but whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
I've always wished that, upon entering a bunker, you'd get a techno version of 'Ra Ra Rasputin' playing over the comms as you kindly introduce some dregs to pound town
@@bradohms in the original destiny storyline(before it was scrapped), Rasputin was an exo you had to save from the hive, which later in the dlc, would be revealed as the clever AI we know him as now.
AdS1013 felwinter is part guardian, part warmind, after felwinter “died” and came back as a guardian, rasputin was jealous that he was not his no more so he killed felwinter by luring him with siva(and killed the iron lords) yes siva was a trap. Rasputin knew felwinter was gonna go look for it.
I remember a lore entry where felwinters ghost says felwinter is half warmind, another reason she forced felwinter to take the name of Felwinter, I don't remember where I saw it but it was definitely in season of the worthy, I believe it was in a armor lore tab or somthing, don't remember
Frankly at this point we've gotten enough hints to asume thats whats gonna happen, same with uldren being the hunter vanguard, the only way that isnt the case is if this is a redherring, in which case, its still gonna be a part of that plotline because its purposeful misdirection
Really awesome lore episode man. I remember that concept art of the exo who was to be Rasputin. Would be so cool to see that be a reality. Pls bungie don't mess this up!
Hmm reminds me of when the previous Hunter vanguard to Cade-6 told him. That Cade was Rasputin but he did not know it. This also reminds me of the room hidden under the Rasputin bunker with the pods.
There’s an entry I read somewhere with felwinter and timur, timur was talking to felwinter saying he knows that felwinter has rasputins mind in his head. This would explain what he was running from, presumably rasputin trying to get part of his mind back.
Based on this Lore entry and previous lore entries you covered. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that one of "copies" of Rasputin is.....FELWINTER. His shaky past not to mention some of the things uncovered in recent lore just ponts him towards being lord Felwinter. Also remember the orignal Destiny story had rasputin in the form of an EXO? Just a theory though.
I hope you thoroughly explore Rasputin related stuff before the next season because by then we’ll probably be busy with all Darkness related lore. Question: can Red’s mind fit in an exo? I thought Rasputin’s core was so big because they needed that much hardware to have a mind that smart and capable.
Think more in terms of (DER) It would have to have it's identity, but not wholly Rasputin. I imagine rasputin like a streaming subconscious into the mind of this EXO.
she's been confirmed to be Elsie Bray, but I don't know if it's the Brays of this timeline. She seemed to be really connected with the Vex, and apparently able to access their time travel network, so she could have come from anywhere/where. I think they've written her out of the story though. Don't look for too much from her going forward.
I haven’t read the leaks, but my theory is that Rasputin ‘wins’ against the Almighty or the Darkness but it destroys him and we need to seek the Deep Stone Crypt to place him into an Exo. Felwinter is Clovis Bray, he’s the ‘guy’ for Enceladus. Mithrax awakens the Traveller and becomes Speaker. The Traveller’s light holds the pyramids at bay near Titan.
1. Traveler is already awakened at the end of the Red War in response to Ghaul stealing its Light. 2. Highly doubt Rasputin will get damaged as his mind is located primarily on Mars with other submind networks around the Sol System. 3. Highly doubt Rasputin will be abled to hold back the Darkness ships as it shut down most of his systems and fragmented his mind, being abeld to withstand most of Rasputin's WMD armaments with little trouble which led to the Ikelos prototypes, and the activation of SIVA as a weapon rather than its original purpose of fast colony construction and terraforming of inhospitable worlds not touched by the Traveler's light. 4. The Almighty is a joke, the Red Legion is a joke. The only interesting part of the Cabal storyline anymore is Calus and learning the truth with him and the Leviathan and either putting him down or having him as an ally. The Almighty storyline Bungo introduced is just disappointing and lazy and really got swept under the rug even by Bungie with the introduction of the Pyramid Ships. Rasputin obviously doesn't consider the Almighty a threat as its not even on the doomsday wall unlike the Pyramid Ships. 5. Felwinter is Clovis Bray? Seriously?.... Drifter x Zavala being shipped together seem to make more sense than that half baked theory with nothing baking it like the rest of your theorys. 6. The Deep Stone Crypt most likely will not make an appearance. As Bungo is rushing the final confrontation with the Darkness. 7. Enceladus is a Moon of Saturn. So what you said about it makes no sense. 8. Mithrax is highly unlikely to become speaker as that makes no sense to begin with. Relations with Fallen is tense at best especially after the whole Scorn debacle and I highly doubt the corrupt government of the last city and tower will have any interest in interspecies relations when they have an isolationist political and tactical view. Mithrax would be better for settling the Fallen storyline, will they revert back into the old houses seeking golden age tech and living like pirates, will Elksni establish themselves under one banner to start over and return to their roots and culture before their escape from the Darkness with Variks the new Kell of Kells, will they side with Mithrax who seeks peace and coexistence between Humanity/Guardians and the Elksni and willing to drop their pursuit for stealing the Traveler back, will they side with Spider and conform to Humanity's culture and history rather than their own and work for Ether, or will the Elksni truly fall and give in to Fikrul becoming no more than mindless puppets of the Scorn.... Thats if Bungo even decides to tie up the Fallen storyline just like the forgotten Dreaming City and Savathun storyline. 9. The Darkness was theorized in lore to actually be a byproduct of light. Where there is Light there will always be itd opposite. Which is why Vex for example seek an empty world without light or dark so that there is nothing they cannot replicate or understand. But the Traveler was theorized by Osiris to be the main cause of the collapse and possible source of the Darkness that it itself is a form of the Darkness, like the pull of gravity from the moon making waves for example. 10. The only thing you said that might make sense for allowing Bungo to drag out content and tie up loose end before the climax with the Pyramid Ships is the Traveler holding them at bay. Giving Guardians and the rest of humanity time to better prepare. But your info and theories are heavily unsupported and even shot down by lore in game for years not just the recent leaks.
Dude, awesome entry! Anytime I lose my desire to grind, and end up taking a break from the game, it’s your lore videos that tend to draw me back in again. Downloading the recent update as I type this lol. Also congrats on the successful PhD progress, my daughter is on the spectrum, thankfully she had very patient teachers, who were focused on teaching individuals, rather than teaching ‘at a room’ sadly that seems more the exception, than the rule, more often than not, so the more that can be done to provide systems, and/or resources, that help reduce the many barriers to learning, the better.
As there's been speculation whether or not Rasputin is actually good or evil, what if it ends up that 'big red' was corrupted by the darkness but they managed to download (clone) him in to an exo (Fellwinter). Then this being the reason Fellwinter in on the run/in hiding as he's the actual Rasputin (good/normal version) and 'big red' on Mars is actually a darkness controlled machine trying to kill him? Could make sense with all the lore about Fellwinter being so shifty and secretive and also why it seemed like Fellwinter was looking for bunkers, maybe looking for this secret one?
So, I was talking with some guys about lore last night, because I've seen all your videos, so I'd say I know a bit about the lore. And one of the guys I was talking to asked this conspiracy question that threw me off and I was wondering what you'd think about it. the conspiracy was this, Cayde-6 is actually a sub mind of Rasputin.
DragonKnight90001 His son (who he knows only as Ace) and his wife (Queen of Hearts) are from his life before being converted into an exo. He keeps playing cards with him as a method of remembering who they are.
Said Pinto we don’t know if his family is real, in lore he mentioned that the journal he carries might be something his past numbers (cayde 1-6) might have made from keeping him going evil
Great work, myelin. This explains rasputins obsession with felwinter. I had a feeling felwinter was rasputin or a clone of him before the traveler revived him. Before this video I found myself contemplating on how the holy trinity works and what if rasputin had created exos so he could reach places he couldn't access himself as a warmind and here we are now.
And this brings us back full circe to Caybe-6 being Rasputin ... So what if "Ace" is the OG Rasputin and Ace is in refrence to him being humanity's "Ace in the hole"
I was full on expecting some sort of speculation around this alternative Exo mind being Cayde. I listened to the DDU podcast and I got the impression Caydes body was brought to this instillation to be uploaded with the alternative mind. But then I don’t think that theory lines up with the timeline, if the secret Clovis Bray bunker was broken into during the golden age then that would likely be before Cayde was even around... I’m so hyped to see where this story goes
I think we are going to learn more about Rasputin's past. We know he was created by Dr. M. Mihaylova for the Ares One mission, the mission where he was the ships AI taking with him the first three humans to meet the Traveler, aka moon X. As well as operation catamaran, which those details are still unknown.
@@MyelinGames oh God. You mean right here?! Im so sorry Myelin i didnt mean to contribute. I love your videos, I've watched since the Taken King. Thank you for what you do for the community. Stay strong and diligent while you're working on your studies too man!👊
Kinda screams Felwinter. It would also explain why we didn’t fight Felwinters corpse when we attacked the Siva bunker in rise of iron with the other iron lords.
Clone? I want to know why anyone is compelled to dislike this video. A brilliant and long awaited story is finally unfolding in an Aussie accent. Thanks for warning about the spoilers
Just thinking here and I didn't see any other comments about it...but what if it was Cayde? Before judgement here me out: 1) There is an old lore entry or quest dialog (can't remember which) from D1 where someone talks about Cayde claiming/being called Rasputin 2) There are some mysteries that Cayde had access to and knowledge of that apparently Ana Bray does not (Deepstone Crypt for example) 3) There is the prevailing theory that Cayde picked the number 6 but could have either had far more resets or a completely different backstory to everything he mentioned about a family and Ace
I'm fuzzy on the D1 details... Didn't the Vanilla campaign start off by "freeing" Rasputin from the Cosmodrome so that he could reconnect to the Sol network? Is it possible that they activated the Warmind partitioning process thinking that Rasputin was going rogue in response to the collapse and then we feed a fragment of him in D1? Could explain the seeming memory loss and lack of access to all facilities.
Seeing some people say it’s Felwinter, and one or two say it’s Elsie. I’ll make a small case for both. Felwinter : Okay so we know for a fact that the Exo shell we associate with the name Felwinter is buried in the SIVA Replication Chamber. As far as we know, Felwinter COULD be dead. Now if this theory about him being Rasputin is true, then as of now, he is without a body. Felwinter(if this is true) is not like any other Guardian or Exo ever seen before. If he is aware of his status as a copy of Rasputin, before things went south in that Chamber, he could have within a few milliseconds uploaded himself to a server he has in some unknown base of operations. And he very well could have had an Exo frame that he could transfer into, and has simply been keeping quiet. OR, we could be dealing with a third-generation Rasputin. Before death, he could have had a failsafe in which a copy of his mind would be shuttled to a server awaiting a reconstruction process of a new physical form. Something happened to the base, maybe a major system malfunction, so now he’s trapped in a base with no way to get out of call for help. Or maybe his memory unit was screwed up, and he doesn’t know what he even is. Either way, he’s somewhere and I guess it will be our job to find him in a future dlc...maybe. Elsie: This is a much crazier theory. But what if instead of being a complete takeover of the frame, this Rasputin is simply acting like an on board AI to help its user. If it’s Elsie carrying Rasputin, it would make sense that Ana would trust her sister to take care of him. Maybe that’s who she’s been talking to all along. Back in the D1 cinematic when she’s taking to our Guardian, she suddenly gets alerted to enemies in the area. It could be Rasputin she’s talking to....lol jk, she could be talking to literally anyone. But she is somehow connected to the Vex network, and able to manipulate it to travel across time. Maybe the reason she’s able to do it so easily and so freely is because of Rasputin. Then again, Osiris was able to do something similar, but not at the same level(then again, she couldn’t make time-duplicates). She could have just been wickedly smart and time travels because she’s a badass bitch that speaks in stupid riddles. But idk, you never really know with Bungie. (-____-)
Maybe this has already been asked, but what if the copy of Rasputin that was put into an Exo, what if that is the commander of the Darkness? We all know that Rasputin was online when the Collapse happened. If the entry reads as a Rogue Mind, what if the station Ana was at has sealed records of the rogue Rasputin turning against humanity?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the exo that was 100% compatible for rasputin was felwinter, Cayde, Banshee or some other notable exo to the story. Even if they were unaware
what if it's not that someone broke in but someone broke out ? it does not say what direction the metal is bent. the second mind could be anna's ghost.
David Mueller with all of the lore and actual gameplay revolving around Vex simulations I wouldn’t be surprised. Notice when we pull out our ghosts a wave of pixelation washes over the environment. I don’t think this is a heads up visualization. I think it’s a hint.
@@Gracklef1int never thought of it like that, but I think it would just piss everyone off the fact that everything they did actually never happened in the universe but it would be a good ret con device where they could use all the content they have made plus new content to make a massive scifi epic story
Great vid! Any chance you cover the 7th seraph Armor lore tabs? Especially the last chapter Abhorrent Imperative I firmly believed Rasputin didn't fire on the the Traveler but after reading that....wooah 😳
The exo's being referred to are still the seventh seraph officers felwinter was before he became gurdian / iron lord. Rasputin had the power to control them. They were his puppets. It's also why Felwinter was paranoid, and knew the locations of the bunkers. Perhaps he is even responisble for SIVA killing his fellow iron lords.
What if the Rasputin that we all know since D1 is actually the clone? And the original Rasputin went rogue and was therefore imprisoned inside of an exo?
11:57 nope. I think Ana was recognized as a guardian (possessing power [θ]) thusly, no longer Bray, Anastasia ; but being recognized just as a guardian, a rogue entity, not a Bray family member..
To me it kinda makes since he would get a physical exo body eventually since Bungie is drawing on and bringing back a lot of early destiny concepts including stuff from the scraped version of the game in which Rasputin was an exo or at least was an ai controlling an exo body(which I theorize evolved into becoming the bases for Felwinter). That and the fact the if the darkness does come and we get pushed out of earth and maybe even the sol system leaving one of Earths greatest minds/ weapon marooned there wouldn’t be ideal since he can’t physically get up and leave his cradle on Mars when shit hits the fan which would leave him at the mercy of the darkness unless he shuts himself down again(assuming that’d work a second time and would even be a smart decision for him). It would also be kinda cool and funny having to Russian exo legends interact with one another. Saint-14 the legendary Bord man and RA RA RASPUTIN.
I agree with many of the other commenters, I think Fellwinter is one of these clones of Rasputin revived as a guardian. Perhaps those dead exos were normal clones that Fellwinter killed to hide his identity.
I just figured the "rogue mind" the security system mentioned was Jinju. I get it's referring to how Rasputin is a "Warmind" but I didn't even question it lol.
Now what if all the exos where Rasputin clones and the AI decided that it couldn't let Rasputin leave with to many clones of him self so it killed most of them except one ?
Hold on, so does this mean Rasputin is malfunctioning? It sounds like the security scan identified Rasputin through his link with Ana. The scan identified him as a rogue mind. A rogue mind is defined as having a catastrophic failure, neural degeneration, or loss of containment.
His purpose was to protect Humanity, and even though we know he went into hiding because he believed it was the only way to win, Clovis Bray didn't, so they probably believed he had gone rogue and made a deal with the Darkness to sell us out for his own survival.
My first thought was, since it was physically with her and not over a radio channel, that the Rogue Mind was the Ghost. If this Bunker was made/set up before the collapse, it wouldn't have knowledge of what Ghost's are, and only recognizes it as an AI style construct. Unless, with all her upgrades, Ana is the ideal Exo that Clovis dreamed of?!?! indistinguishable from a human. And perhaps her 'sister' Elsa, was never flesh and blood, but a fully created Exo, and prototype to a Warmind?!? Ok, that may be a bit far, but it would be QUITE the twist. It could be plausible that Elsie was always an Exo - maybe 3rd generation. Fellwinter could originally have ben Clovis, and Ana is the final model Exo prototype. And what are the chances they are 3 of the 7 Seraph Exo's?? O . O
Suddenly all those jokes Andal Brask made about Cayde being Rasputin suddenly don’t sound so crazy. For real, I have 4 real guesses as to who may be a Rasputin clone. Banshee, Felwinter (maybe a Seraph?), Cayde, or Saint-14 (dude is literally Russian and likes music).
Saint-14 makes sense. We saved him and now Rasputin is back? Well, it makes sense from a similarities perspective (russian, same general charter to protect humanity, exo, etc.), but S14 has been wiped 14 times (the -14 part) and he has never explicitly been linked to Rasputin (maybe to conceal the connection?).
is not supposed that felwinter was rasputin son he sent him to earth during the collapse felwinter died then was revived as a guardian something which rasputin didn't like and that's why he resent the guardians
Everyone is saying it’s Fellwinter. Probably is. But I feel like people are forgetting Cayde-6’s association with Raspy. Doesn’t Andal Brask joke about him actually being Rasputin? I don’t know how it would mesh with Cayde’s other lore, but it’s worth considering, even if it was an in universe joke.
Ok, I'm in. Then, who is Not - Felwinter? And who is Felwinter? Deep Stone crypt be Damned. Ana just needs to remember. Now, who can help her with that...?
I always figured Exos were intended to be extensions of Rasputin. His hands and feet if you will. Still a huge supercomputer, but not literally an Exo "himself".
Correct me if I’m wrong but maybe felwinter isn’t Rasputins son but the exo embodiment of Rasputin described here an interesting approach don’t u think
A quick update because many of you asked (and also dont follow me on twitter). Phd presentation went really well last week. I had to deliver the presentation to the university online.... so I was completely in my element! lol. For those asking, my Phd is about developing and evaluating computer coding clubs for kids with autism. I designed a program which is strength-based, meaning, we look at what people can do rather than what they can't do. I now have about 6 months to finishing writing my journal articles and I will be FREEE! Because I have more freedom when writing, you should see plenty of livestreams (even if they are just short). I cant stream on twitch today because the site seems down. Hope you all well, and enjoy the Destiny lore video!
Hrm.... RASPUTIN painfully can just 'speak Physically' towards her like during that Lore tab of the [Tatarstan]'s. Not like any of 'us' Guardians are listening in on him finally speaking 'normal'. [grumbles at RASPUTIN's typical uncooperation of normal 'English' speech]
keep it up. There is also that new Lore book that got updated last Week too to be covered in time (if it gets it's entries updated by Tomorrow).
Hm, that's a good thing for 'us'. (05:34).
Guass, anti-matter, SERAPH energies....What else are there did the Golden Age have for their overkilling ordnances? [hummed in interest for more sci-fi munitions after the [Traveler]'s arrival]
Felwinter could be the clone but we would need more lore to determine that at this moment it's just head cannon or a what-if.
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@@DemiSamaKun I thought the same. Would've been easier for those 3 to identify it was Felwinter if he (from Centuries ago) left behind traces of [Void-[Light]] from that breached entrance still to this Day. Remember (for those Guardian Huner-players whom got their [Void-[Light]] the first time 5+ Years ago) Tevis with his [Shadowshot]?....
Gentlemen, I'm calling it now. It's Fellwinter
A h my br a in
Im super glad im not the only one who had that thought
My money is on your call too
He said no spoilers bro.
@@justblaze4707 how is that a spoiler, its just a prediction. He is predicting that Felwinter is rasputin's clone.
I like your theories and the connection between Ana and Rasputin but whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
this meme will never get old
Last time I was this early, Rasputin was but an algorithm who could only say: “Ra, ra”
RASPUTIN LOVER OF THE RUSSIAN QUEEN!
ares-1 reference
Ha ha funny joke !
I've always wished that, upon entering a bunker, you'd get a techno version of 'Ra Ra Rasputin' playing over the comms as you kindly introduce some dregs to pound town
U LA LA
I knew this since the secret chair room under the Rasputin in D1 Cosmodrome bunker! That's what I was talking about all the time!
How many chairs were there again? Good spot!
Now that you mentioned it, what if Felwinter is the clone?🤔 explains why Ol rasy has a “son”
Let's just say you're very very close to what it is
I find it hard to care after looking at Joseph Statens original vision for the Destiny story..
@@maxnovakovics2568 can you elaborate?
Max Novakovics please do
@@bradohms in the original destiny storyline(before it was scrapped), Rasputin was an exo you had to save from the hive, which later in the dlc, would be revealed as the clever AI we know him as now.
Watch Felwinter be Rasputin's clone and he is running away from himself.
It's his son.
AdS1013 felwinter is part guardian, part warmind, after felwinter “died” and came back as a guardian, rasputin was jealous that he was not his no more so he killed felwinter by luring him with siva(and killed the iron lords) yes siva was a trap. Rasputin knew felwinter was gonna go look for it.
@@jordanr2244 no spoilers
AdS1013 that was Rise of Iron
@@AdS-1013 dude, that was 4 years ago. If anything, me saying Felwinter is Rasputin's son was a spoiler.
is it possible the exo is Felwinter? Felwinter is an Exo, he was running away from Rasputin and told that he was one of a kind.
Super Shadow 99 be interesting if he was a Rasputin frame that was imbued with guardian light from the Traveler and Rasputin fears the potential.
I remember a lore entry where felwinters ghost says felwinter is half warmind, another reason she forced felwinter to take the name of Felwinter, I don't remember where I saw it but it was definitely in season of the worthy, I believe it was in a armor lore tab or somthing, don't remember
Frankly at this point we've gotten enough hints to asume thats whats gonna happen, same with uldren being the hunter vanguard, the only way that isnt the case is if this is a redherring, in which case, its still gonna be a part of that plotline because its purposeful misdirection
Really awesome lore episode man. I remember that concept art of the exo who was to be Rasputin. Would be so cool to see that be a reality. Pls bungie don't mess this up!
Hmm reminds me of when the previous Hunter vanguard to Cade-6 told him. That Cade was Rasputin but he did not know it.
This also reminds me of the room hidden under the Rasputin bunker with the pods.
There’s an entry I read somewhere with felwinter and timur, timur was talking to felwinter saying he knows that felwinter has rasputins mind in his head. This would explain what he was running from, presumably rasputin trying to get part of his mind back.
Brycie felwinter is rasputins “son” he was his everything.
As with Ana, it doesn't matter that they had the Paragon clearance if they had something the system recognized as a Rogue Mind as well.
I was thinking that they were rogue versions of Rasputin that the facility destroyed not that they're destroyed by Rasputin.
4:20 “have a listen it reads.” Advertisement: stop marinating your man meat in synthetic soap
God of mars in an exo body...
He's doing a Jesus
*Not* so it seems...
when is rasputin NOT doing a jesus?
the darkness: these guys are funny
I still want darkness classes
hang da clown me as well comrade
@@deviljocky598UT ewww
hang da clown 😐
@@deviljocky598UT yeah don't call me comrade lol cringe
Based on this Lore entry and previous lore entries you covered. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that one of "copies" of Rasputin is.....FELWINTER. His shaky past not to mention some of the things uncovered in recent lore just ponts him towards being lord Felwinter. Also remember the orignal Destiny story had rasputin in the form of an EXO? Just a theory though.
Tre Thornton felwinter is rasputins “son” part guardian, part warmind.
@@jordanr2244 I could see that. He was part of rasputin but then got revived by the traveler
I hope you thoroughly explore Rasputin related stuff before the next season because by then we’ll probably be busy with all Darkness related lore.
Question: can Red’s mind fit in an exo? I thought Rasputin’s core was so big because they needed that much hardware to have a mind that smart and capable.
The entry said his basic core, so it would probably have his memories and personality, but he would be dumbed down to human level intelligence.
That could mean them needing multiple exos to divide his mind into.
B.I./Z.I./ZO Multiple people you say. Does seven sound like a good number? We can even call them The Seven Seraphs perhaps?
Think more in terms of (DER) It would have to have it's identity, but not wholly Rasputin. I imagine rasputin like a streaming subconscious into the mind of this EXO.
Speaking of exos y’all remember that exo who was supposedly Ana brays sister what happened to her?
*I don't have time to explain why she didn't have time to explain why she didn't have time to explain.*
She’s probably fighting against the Darkness alongside the guardian in the next expansion
she's been confirmed to be Elsie Bray, but I don't know if it's the Brays of this timeline. She seemed to be really connected with the Vex, and apparently able to access their time travel network, so she could have come from anywhere/where. I think they've written her out of the story though. Don't look for too much from her going forward.
@@batboyAT ana bray is a bray tho...they brought Rasputin back , I wouldn't be surprised to see the stranger eventually
Aj Torres we can dream. We can dream my friend.
I haven’t read the leaks, but my theory is that Rasputin ‘wins’ against the Almighty or the Darkness but it destroys him and we need to seek the Deep Stone Crypt to place him into an Exo. Felwinter is Clovis Bray, he’s the ‘guy’ for Enceladus. Mithrax awakens the Traveller and becomes Speaker. The Traveller’s light holds the pyramids at bay near Titan.
woah woah, slow down a bit
You're not supposed to ingest the crack rocks bud
This would actually be pretty awesome
Sounds beyond stupid, especially Mithrax becoming a speaker.
1. Traveler is already awakened at the end of the Red War in response to Ghaul stealing its Light.
2. Highly doubt Rasputin will get damaged as his mind is located primarily on Mars with other submind networks around the Sol System.
3. Highly doubt Rasputin will be abled to hold back the Darkness ships as it shut down most of his systems and fragmented his mind, being abeld to withstand most of Rasputin's WMD armaments with little trouble which led to the Ikelos prototypes, and the activation of SIVA as a weapon rather than its original purpose of fast colony construction and terraforming of inhospitable worlds not touched by the Traveler's light.
4. The Almighty is a joke, the Red Legion is a joke. The only interesting part of the Cabal storyline anymore is Calus and learning the truth with him and the Leviathan and either putting him down or having him as an ally. The Almighty storyline Bungo introduced is just disappointing and lazy and really got swept under the rug even by Bungie with the introduction of the Pyramid Ships. Rasputin obviously doesn't consider the Almighty a threat as its not even on the doomsday wall unlike the Pyramid Ships.
5. Felwinter is Clovis Bray? Seriously?.... Drifter x Zavala being shipped together seem to make more sense than that half baked theory with nothing baking it like the rest of your theorys.
6. The Deep Stone Crypt most likely will not make an appearance. As Bungo is rushing the final confrontation with the Darkness.
7. Enceladus is a Moon of Saturn. So what you said about it makes no sense.
8. Mithrax is highly unlikely to become speaker as that makes no sense to begin with. Relations with Fallen is tense at best especially after the whole Scorn debacle and I highly doubt the corrupt government of the last city and tower will have any interest in interspecies relations when they have an isolationist political and tactical view. Mithrax would be better for settling the Fallen storyline, will they revert back into the old houses seeking golden age tech and living like pirates, will Elksni establish themselves under one banner to start over and return to their roots and culture before their escape from the Darkness with Variks the new Kell of Kells, will they side with Mithrax who seeks peace and coexistence between Humanity/Guardians and the Elksni and willing to drop their pursuit for stealing the Traveler back, will they side with Spider and conform to Humanity's culture and history rather than their own and work for Ether, or will the Elksni truly fall and give in to Fikrul becoming no more than mindless puppets of the Scorn.... Thats if Bungo even decides to tie up the Fallen storyline just like the forgotten Dreaming City and Savathun storyline.
9. The Darkness was theorized in lore to actually be a byproduct of light. Where there is Light there will always be itd opposite. Which is why Vex for example seek an empty world without light or dark so that there is nothing they cannot replicate or understand. But the Traveler was theorized by Osiris to be the main cause of the collapse and possible source of the Darkness that it itself is a form of the Darkness, like the pull of gravity from the moon making waves for example.
10. The only thing you said that might make sense for allowing Bungo to drag out content and tie up loose end before the climax with the Pyramid Ships is the Traveler holding them at bay. Giving Guardians and the rest of humanity time to better prepare. But your info and theories are heavily unsupported and even shot down by lore in game for years not just the recent leaks.
Could the rogue mind be the Ghost? That would maybe explain why the security systems detected the intruders as threats
Listened to half of this lore vid on your stream yesterday, keep up the great work my man.✌🏽
Dude, awesome entry! Anytime I lose my desire to grind, and end up taking a break from the game, it’s your lore videos that tend to draw me back in again. Downloading the recent update as I type this lol.
Also congrats on the successful PhD progress, my daughter is on the spectrum, thankfully she had very patient teachers, who were focused on teaching individuals, rather than teaching ‘at a room’ sadly that seems more the exception, than the rule, more often than not, so the more that can be done to provide systems, and/or resources, that help reduce the many barriers to learning, the better.
As there's been speculation whether or not Rasputin is actually good or evil, what if it ends up that 'big red' was corrupted by the darkness but they managed to download (clone) him in to an exo (Fellwinter). Then this being the reason Fellwinter in on the run/in hiding as he's the actual Rasputin (good/normal version) and 'big red' on Mars is actually a darkness controlled machine trying to kill him?
Could make sense with all the lore about Fellwinter being so shifty and secretive and also why it seemed like Fellwinter was looking for bunkers, maybe looking for this secret one?
So, I was talking with some guys about lore last night, because I've seen all your videos, so I'd say I know a bit about the lore. And one of the guys I was talking to asked this conspiracy question that threw me off and I was wondering what you'd think about it. the conspiracy was this, Cayde-6 is actually a sub mind of Rasputin.
Carson Shaw Andal Brask did love telling everyone that Cayde was Rasputin...and Tevis Larsen claimed to have spoken to Rasputin... 🤔
carondelet i remember that.......but if that is possible....that begs the question.......how did cayde have a son if he is part rasputin?
DragonKnight90001 His son (who he knows only as Ace) and his wife (Queen of Hearts) are from his life before being converted into an exo. He keeps playing cards with him as a method of remembering who they are.
I dont Know
We know Cayde was a soldier and died during the collapse. He also had a wife and son.
Said Pinto we don’t know if his family is real, in lore he mentioned that the journal he carries might be something his past numbers (cayde 1-6) might have made from keeping him going evil
Great work, myelin. This explains rasputins obsession with felwinter. I had a feeling felwinter was rasputin or a clone of him before the traveler revived him. Before this video I found myself contemplating on how the holy trinity works and what if rasputin had created exos so he could reach places he couldn't access himself as a warmind and here we are now.
And this brings us back full circe to Caybe-6 being Rasputin ... So what if "Ace" is the OG Rasputin and Ace is in refrence to him being humanity's "Ace in the hole"
Caydes son is Ace and ace was a human I see where you're going with this but it doesn't fit in right
I feel like one of the only players that isn't a UA-camr that actually reads the lore. We already know that he exists as Fellwinter.
Ana got the Scanner augment from DSC. The gold luster shines on the unseen
This, if true has some pretty crazy implications. Very excited to see this unfold. Brilliant work as always mate 😊
It’s Felwinter he’s running from Rasputin because he’s a clone and that explains his intimate but fuzzy knowledge of the warmind Seraph bunkers.
I was full on expecting some sort of speculation around this alternative Exo mind being Cayde. I listened to the DDU podcast and I got the impression Caydes body was brought to this instillation to be uploaded with the alternative mind. But then I don’t think that theory lines up with the timeline, if the secret Clovis Bray bunker was broken into during the golden age then that would likely be before Cayde was even around... I’m so hyped to see where this story goes
Cool so now rasputin is going to be our new hunger vanguard
It has arrived! Been looking forward to this video. Thank you, sir.
And you are a UA-cam member? Dang the support is top tier.
I think we are going to learn more about Rasputin's past. We know he was created by Dr. M. Mihaylova for the Ares One mission, the mission where he was the ships AI taking with him the first three humans to meet the Traveler, aka moon X. As well as operation catamaran, which those details are still unknown.
A Clovis Bunker sounds like a cool raid spot
Hell yeah brother
Suddenly, Cayde-6 is revived and rasputin sacrifices its identity and memories to bring him back
I theorize that this is very possibly how Felwinter came to be and will come to be again
Ana needs to do some bounties first to unlock that bunker and clear it daily too
Cant wait to see how the story turns out scince the secret room in the moon bunker is called 'Seraph Berth'
See's thumbnail.
Read's "Rasputin in Mexico?"
I'm like, double-u-tee-eff-mate
Thanks Matt.
The Lore continues to “find me” and hold my attention, even while the game does not.
Clone. Oh man this is some good lore. I think we all have an idea of who that Exo with Rasputin’s Mind could be...!
Im lost. Banshee? Cayde? Postmaster?!
Blaze Welpott Fellwinter
Yep... I had it spoiled for me (I think). Despite telling people not to say anything. The internet. Lol
@@MyelinGames oh God. You mean right here?! Im so sorry Myelin i didnt mean to contribute. I love your videos, I've watched since the Taken King. Thank you for what you do for the community. Stay strong and diligent while you're working on your studies too man!👊
Myelin Games oh crap... did I just spoil it? I’m so sorry myelin if I did I thought you knew...
Kinda screams Felwinter. It would also explain why we didn’t fight Felwinters corpse when we attacked the Siva bunker in rise of iron with the other iron lords.
I like to speculate that felwinter is rasputin IDK why but it sounds sooooo good
Clone? I want to know why anyone is compelled to dislike this video. A brilliant and long awaited story is finally unfolding in an Aussie accent. Thanks for warning about the spoilers
Just thinking here and I didn't see any other comments about it...but what if it was Cayde?
Before judgement here me out:
1) There is an old lore entry or quest dialog (can't remember which) from D1 where someone talks about Cayde claiming/being called Rasputin
2) There are some mysteries that Cayde had access to and knowledge of that apparently Ana Bray does not (Deepstone Crypt for example)
3) There is the prevailing theory that Cayde picked the number 6 but could have either had far more resets or a completely different backstory to everything he mentioned about a family and Ace
I'm surprised to actually see the whole "Rasputin is an Exo" thing that was originally planned finally getting put into the story in some form
Imagine if these lore entries were made into cutscenes that you could access in-game?
Always clutch with the excellent lore vids. Cant wait till the next one
Another great lore video. Fantastic.
I'm fuzzy on the D1 details... Didn't the Vanilla campaign start off by "freeing" Rasputin from the Cosmodrome so that he could reconnect to the Sol network?
Is it possible that they activated the Warmind partitioning process thinking that Rasputin was going rogue in response to the collapse and then we feed a fragment of him in D1? Could explain the seeming memory loss and lack of access to all facilities.
Was teased on stream, watching it again for the watch time 👌
I was just thinking whens this one coming out, couldn't stop thinking about it after the lil preview yesterday
Seeing some people say it’s Felwinter, and one or two say it’s Elsie. I’ll make a small case for both.
Felwinter :
Okay so we know for a fact that the Exo shell we associate with the name Felwinter is buried in the SIVA Replication Chamber. As far as we know, Felwinter COULD be dead. Now if this theory about him being Rasputin is true, then as of now, he is without a body. Felwinter(if this is true) is not like any other Guardian or Exo ever seen before. If he is aware of his status as a copy of Rasputin, before things went south in that Chamber, he could have within a few milliseconds uploaded himself to a server he has in some unknown base of operations. And he very well could have had an Exo frame that he could transfer into, and has simply been keeping quiet. OR, we could be dealing with a third-generation Rasputin. Before death, he could have had a failsafe in which a copy of his mind would be shuttled to a server awaiting a reconstruction process of a new physical form. Something happened to the base, maybe a major system malfunction, so now he’s trapped in a base with no way to get out of call for help. Or maybe his memory unit was screwed up, and he doesn’t know what he even is. Either way, he’s somewhere and I guess it will be our job to find him in a future dlc...maybe.
Elsie:
This is a much crazier theory. But what if instead of being a complete takeover of the frame, this Rasputin is simply acting like an on board AI to help its user. If it’s Elsie carrying Rasputin, it would make sense that Ana would trust her sister to take care of him. Maybe that’s who she’s been talking to all along. Back in the D1 cinematic when she’s taking to our Guardian, she suddenly gets alerted to enemies in the area. It could be Rasputin she’s talking to....lol jk, she could be talking to literally anyone. But she is somehow connected to the Vex network, and able to manipulate it to travel across time. Maybe the reason she’s able to do it so easily and so freely is because of Rasputin. Then again, Osiris was able to do something similar, but not at the same level(then again, she couldn’t make time-duplicates). She could have just been wickedly smart and time travels because she’s a badass bitch that speaks in stupid riddles.
But idk, you never really know with Bungie.
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Maybe this has already been asked, but what if the copy of Rasputin that was put into an Exo, what if that is the commander of the Darkness? We all know that Rasputin was online when the Collapse happened. If the entry reads as a Rogue Mind, what if the station Ana was at has sealed records of the rogue Rasputin turning against humanity?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the exo that was 100% compatible for rasputin was felwinter, Cayde, Banshee or some other notable exo to the story. Even if they were unaware
what if it's not that someone broke in but someone broke out ? it does not say what direction the metal is bent.
the second mind could be anna's ghost.
Turns out cause comes back as cayde+Rasputin... The hell?
No shit, a machine is a machine!!!! WOW OMG TOP 10 ANIME REVEALS OF ALL TIME
Great video MYELIN!!
What if..... this whole game is a giant simulation? And we wake up in Stone Mountain? And that’s how we start destiny 3
David Mueller with all of the lore and actual gameplay revolving around Vex simulations I wouldn’t be surprised. Notice when we pull out our ghosts a wave of pixelation washes over the environment. I don’t think this is a heads up visualization. I think it’s a hint.
@@Gracklef1int never thought of it like that, but I think it would just piss everyone off the fact that everything they did actually never happened in the universe but it would be a good ret con device where they could use all the content they have made plus new content to make a massive scifi epic story
Great vid! Any chance you cover the 7th seraph Armor lore tabs? Especially the last chapter Abhorrent Imperative I firmly believed Rasputin didn't fire on the the Traveler but after reading that....wooah 😳
What... if... calus is an exo too?
The exo's being referred to are still the seventh seraph officers felwinter was before he became gurdian / iron lord. Rasputin had the power to control them. They were his puppets. It's also why Felwinter was paranoid, and knew the locations of the bunkers. Perhaps he is even responisble for SIVA killing his fellow iron lords.
What if the Rasputin that we all know since D1 is actually the clone? And the original Rasputin went rogue and was therefore imprisoned inside of an exo?
@@GreenGreen-bo5qe I already knew that, but thanks.
11:57 nope.
I think Ana was recognized as a guardian (possessing power [θ]) thusly, no longer Bray, Anastasia ; but being recognized just as a guardian, a rogue entity, not a Bray family member..
To me it kinda makes since he would get a physical exo body eventually since Bungie is drawing on and bringing back a lot of early destiny concepts including stuff from the scraped version of the game in which Rasputin was an exo or at least was an ai controlling an exo body(which I theorize evolved into becoming the bases for Felwinter). That and the fact the if the darkness does come and we get pushed out of earth and maybe even the sol system leaving one of Earths greatest minds/ weapon marooned there wouldn’t be ideal since he can’t physically get up and leave his cradle on Mars when shit hits the fan which would leave him at the mercy of the darkness unless he shuts himself down again(assuming that’d work a second time and would even be a smart decision for him). It would also be kinda cool and funny having to Russian exo legends interact with one another. Saint-14 the legendary Bord man and RA RA RASPUTIN.
Hearing about all of this, one single name is whispered by the voices in my mind: "Fellwinter..."
Oh big red
Makes serious sense
Keep up the great lore vids man !
why are all these giddam ghosts wandering outside of hammerspace in dangerous areas
I agree with many of the other commenters, I think Fellwinter is one of these clones of Rasputin revived as a guardian. Perhaps those dead exos were normal clones that Fellwinter killed to hide his identity.
I just figured the "rogue mind" the security system mentioned was Jinju. I get it's referring to how Rasputin is a "Warmind" but I didn't even question it lol.
Surprise Rasputin's our credit cards
Now what if all the exos where Rasputin clones and the AI decided that it couldn't let Rasputin leave with to many clones of him self so it killed most of them except one ?
Odds are that Lord Felwinter is one of those Exos. It would be a epic plot twist that he appears in a future expansion.
Hold on, so does this mean Rasputin is malfunctioning?
It sounds like the security scan identified Rasputin through his link with Ana. The scan identified him as a rogue mind. A rogue mind is defined as having a catastrophic failure, neural degeneration, or loss of containment.
I just assumed becasue Rasputin took control post collapse he is now considered Rogue mind. Not too sure how it applies to the clone?
His purpose was to protect Humanity, and even though we know he went into hiding because he believed it was the only way to win, Clovis Bray didn't, so they probably believed he had gone rogue and made a deal with the Darkness to sell us out for his own survival.
My first thought was, since it was physically with her and not over a radio channel, that the Rogue Mind was the Ghost. If this Bunker was made/set up before the collapse, it wouldn't have knowledge of what Ghost's are, and only recognizes it as an AI style construct.
Unless, with all her upgrades, Ana is the ideal Exo that Clovis dreamed of?!?! indistinguishable from a human. And perhaps her 'sister' Elsa, was never flesh and blood, but a fully created Exo, and prototype to a Warmind?!? Ok, that may be a bit far, but it would be QUITE the twist. It could be plausible that Elsie was always an Exo - maybe 3rd generation. Fellwinter could originally have ben Clovis, and Ana is the final model Exo prototype. And what are the chances they are 3 of the 7 Seraph Exo's?? O . O
Ooh boy, can't wait for the reveal of rasputin-5
I hope they make a flashback of that Exo escaping the facility like Wolverine in the Weapon X program..
God I would love to see a destiny movie
It's fellwinter!! Wow man just wow 😮
This is the most amazing gamming
What if felwinter was the reason why siva/rasputin attacked the iron lords
This is the lore Ive been waiting for. Best part of the season unfortunately.
Suddenly all those jokes Andal Brask made about Cayde being Rasputin suddenly don’t sound so crazy. For real, I have 4 real guesses as to who may be a Rasputin clone. Banshee, Felwinter (maybe a Seraph?), Cayde, or Saint-14 (dude is literally Russian and likes music).
Saint-14 makes sense. We saved him and now Rasputin is back? Well, it makes sense from a similarities perspective (russian, same general charter to protect humanity, exo, etc.), but S14 has been wiped 14 times (the -14 part) and he has never explicitly been linked to Rasputin (maybe to conceal the connection?).
Felwinter has to be Rasputin's boba fett
is not supposed that felwinter was rasputin son he sent him to earth during the collapse felwinter died then was revived as a guardian something which rasputin didn't like and that's why he resent the guardians
I'm pretty sure the exo is in the felwinter lore
But here comes the question, does Rasputin want the Exo body? Or does he want get rid of it?
So would this mean that Rasputin was ever sought by the vex, and also would he have another form like the sdf1 or metroplex
Solid content 👏
Everyone is saying it’s Fellwinter. Probably is. But I feel like people are forgetting Cayde-6’s association with Raspy. Doesn’t Andal Brask joke about him actually being Rasputin? I don’t know how it would mesh with Cayde’s other lore, but it’s worth considering, even if it was an in universe joke.
Ok, I'm in.
Then, who is Not - Felwinter? And who is Felwinter? Deep Stone crypt be Damned. Ana just needs to remember. Now, who can help her with that...?
What if Ana is a Rasputin clone made by Clovis Bray in case the warmind needed a reboot?
i wonder if elsie bray remembers the collapse
Oh boy I wonder who else that could possibly be..hhmmmmmmm. What exo do we know of that has a strange link to Rasputin....Hmmmmmm
I always figured Exos were intended to be extensions of Rasputin. His hands and feet if you will. Still a huge supercomputer, but not literally an Exo "himself".
Correct me if I’m wrong but maybe felwinter isn’t Rasputins son but the exo embodiment of Rasputin described here an interesting approach don’t u think