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Welcome back to the latest Destiny 2 Season of Dawn lore episode. In today’s lore episode we are discussing the true identity of Felwinter! Finally, Felwinter's lie has been revealed!
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liked the part about the artwork where you included that later-would-be-Guardian/Iron lord 'Gryphon-11' alongside Felwinter there too *(well, the best part about it anyways, right before they get attacked by RASPUTIN's Combat Frames there).*
Hey another Exo character added into Destiny as well. And a Guardian by that too. Gryphon-'11'. So got reset to 11+ times sadly....
hello
Myelin, listen, are you sure that Bungie will not be upset with you covering leaked content? You still work with them, right? They might be offended by this...
I clicked through to audible. I recommend the power of habit audio book.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 it is not leaked technically. It have been available on ishtar collective for a week. Narrative team normally tells ishtar not to release lore books if it spoils something. Still working on that conversation with them.
Our Guardian: *wakes up and takes a leisurely stroll through the Cosmodrome to get our ship
Felwinter: *wakes up and immediately get bombarded by Rasputin
You know it's bad when you wake up and instantly hear classical boss music.
Imagine waking up and hearing classic music while everyone is fucking dead
@@64doomguy57 :WHO REZZED ME?! THE FUCK?!!!:
Not really. Fallen were HOT on Ghost's trail. Like they were waiting to catch him and you to have a guardian in their captivity.
It still sounds better than dying to hunger countless time after being resurrected.
Felwinter: *Wakes up*
Rasputin: “ Vibe check “
Felwinter: "You shall be named....Felspring"
Ghost: "How original"
'Felfall', 'Felsummer', what else? [deadpan a bit]
Holy shit I hadn't even realized
felautumn*
@@rainygamedays5873 kind of simple, isn't it? [hesitant chuckling]
@@CaptainPilipinas came back from the dead just to make this joke .
I bet fellwinter’s helmet has an eye on the back cause felwinter needed eyes on the back of his head so he doesn’t keep getting killed by Rasputin throwing warminds at him.
Not to mention the eye behind his helm is a ghost eye
@@Allow_me_to_rest Yep and maybe to keep sneaky sneaky Shaax from backhanding him on the back of his head. That one horned bastard still owes me a new Razelighter. Mostly out of principal.
@@He-uz7hy I'm aware and I never gave him permission to use it and it much less EVER left my side.
@@He-uz7hy I can't tell you how much I would if I could........
Shit if they want to return it at least make some quest for it and he says something like. "Hey sorry for taking this, here you go and I added a few new tricks to make it up to you for taking so long".
Like hold the reload button to change it from Razelighter to Boltcaster to Darkdrinker at will. You know like the Hard Light/Borealis treatment. God I would love it and give him a pass for taking so damn long.
@@He-uz7hy Echo of Willbreaker? (The name of Oryx's sword)
And since we KNOW that [O] means Traveler...
...and since the remote asset seizure FAILED...
...we can safely say that, for whatever reason, the Traveler's either stole Felwinter from Rasputin...
...or, it was the Traveler's intention to have Rasputin experience life as a Guardian.
I’m inclined to believe the Traveler stole Felwinter from Rasputin, leading to some of Rasputin’s protocols to disable the Traveler should it try to leave Earth.
Adventist hate to break it to ya but he’s hella dead
The Traveler was in hibernation when all this happened, it didn't consciously choose Felwinter. Light born are resurrected because of something in them that the ghosts can detect. They're given a second chance to live so that they can serve humanity. It's possible that Felspring could reach into the exo mind and see that it wanted to protect humanity. It's more than likely something more space magic than that. You can't honestly believe that the Traveler consciously chooses guardians, that's completely ridiculous. If the Traveler chooses, explain Prince Uldren.
I keep rereading your comment and it makes me want to throttle you. Yes [O] means Traveler you got one thing right. The acquisition failed because being resurrected erases their memories. When Felwinter was resurrected it obviously erased the reacquisition protocol. Not because it was meant to, but because that's just the nature of it.
Do we know that Felwinter is DEAD dead? Is there a chance he's still alive somehow?
“He shot his ghost and pushed him off a mountain” the deepest of lore.
Can’t nock him for his effectiveness though.
Well that sounds like something Cayde-6 would have done
I mean, solid imagery right there
What I love about this lore book is what the ultimate implications are. It’s implied that Felwinter is pretty much a copy of Rasputin in exo form. There could be an exo somewhere that has a copy of Rasputin’s mind. Probably at the deep stone crypt? Enceledus???
Also, it implies that Felwinter may not be fully dead. He may be alive somewhat and that we will meet him someday. Wow, imagine Saladin meeting Felwinter again. Saladin, Felwinter and Efrideet forming a fireteam.
Bruh....I just realized. Saladin is a titan. Efrideet is a Hunter. Felwinter is a warlock. We already have two of the 3 alive. If Felwinter comes back, they form a fireteam. That could be an amazing season of lore.
I thought Saladin is a hunter. He wears a cloak around the tower at least.
Wagon Of Goodies nah he’s a Titan. Think of it like how a knight might wear a cloak.
Cool, good to know)
I think Efrideet gave up the combat lifestyle guardians/iron lords usually partake in. She'd probably still help if it was required, like how she came back to provide support during the red war and she sensed her light had tapped out. But as far as being an on hand member of an active fireteam. Probably not. Though maybe seeing a fellow Iron Lord return from the grave might change her outlook.
Wagon Of Goodies that’s not a Hunter cloak. Saladin is most definitely a titan
Great art, Felwinter by far my favorite Guardian of the past.
Thank you very much!
@@Gammatrap I really love this piece, awesome work! 10/10
Same
He is an Iron Lord
I would imagine Rasputin is trying to destroy Fellwinter simply because he's been risen by the Traveler, right?
I mean, it talks about the golem having gone 'rogue', i.e. no longer under his control, due to it's risen status. And the lore entry said that it had an [O] energy signature. Isn't [O] the way that Rasputin refers to the Traveller? I think I remember seeing that in some other lore card and well, it would make sense. O is the shape of the Traveller after all.
O for omicron.
Omicron was derived from the phoenician letter o, ayin, for an eye. O also represents a mathematical expression where something approaches infinity.
Christian Yaerger That would imply that [-O-] would be the opposite of infinity, which the Darkness is clearly not. In this case, I think [O] just means Light.
I always took the [O] to be Rasputin's term for the Traveler and Light. Like the Vex, I imagine he can't adequately calculate something paracausal such as the Light
Felwinter likely died during the Collapse. Rasputin, realizing that The Traveler is largely responsible for the Collapse, wanted Felwinter dead because The Traveler reserrected him only to be used as a soldier in its war with The Darkness.
It's actually hinted that it's out of jealousy Rasputin sees felt winter as his son. And if he can't have his son no one will. He chose the iron Lords with Siva just to kill fellWinter. But after the deed is done rescuing feels guilty.
I think that this lore ultimately explains why Rasputin attacked the Iron Lords with SIVA. So that he could get Felwinter back under his control.
Interestingly, Rasputin actully regrets killing him after SIVA had fucked him over. I don't know were this was directly mentioned, but in some lore piece added this season, it mentions that Rasputin actully felt deep despair after killing Felwinter, he starts to regard him as a son, not as a body that should have been his. So ironically, the original intention of Rasputins goal with Felwinter was achieved, he wanted to create a body to learn more about the world, and by killing Felwinter and his friends, he learns the emotion of regret.
"And the tyrant looked upon his tyrany and wept."
Russian leaders always seem to shoot themselves in the foot, don't they?
@@jakespacepiratee3740 So, he's God, great
I agree
@@jakespacepiratee3740 yeah well, he still Disregards 'our' helping hands (if not for the almighty strengthening 'our' side-differences). [grunted in caution]
@@KRYMauL *Not* much on him being GOD there.
"He's you," literally sent chills down my spine even though I saw it coming a mile away, THIS SHOULD ALL BE IN CUTSCENES DAMN IT
SO much of the destiny lore should be animated. I would love to see a series of short animations about the various stories in destiny. The lore is amazing.
I KNOW!!!!! I actully want to make a old-school story-driven single-player Destiny spinoff game that allows you to play through the story of the Iron Lords, from Lord Saladins resurrection, to their death at the hands of SIVA. This lore book has given me so many good ideas of how this can be adapted to a visual medium! It gives the whole story another layer of depth, rather than Rasputin just wanting to kill the Iron Lords because "GRR ORGANIC LIFE!!!" he actully only wanted to kill them because Felwinter was among them. THIS DESERVES TO BE ITS OWN GAME! I consider the Iron Lords to be the Avengers of Destiny, and they all died, thats tragic, and although the Lore is written very very well, I honestly think that the Iron Lords story deserves to be one directly shown, not told. Imagine seeing that flashback cutscene of Lady Jolder blowing herself up to stop SIVA, and actully feeling sad, rather than indifferent like most of us did?
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
What if bungie did a animated series for all the lore before our guardians came.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 God damn son. Thats crazy Especially the part where Rasputin wanted felwinter dead like I would Pay for a single player cohesive retelling of the destiny lore
@@RagingEmmissary Eris Fireteams death could be a horror game, the Battle of Twilight Gap could be a Halo-esc game, the Faction Wars and New Monarchy fighting the Concordat could be something like a Call of Duty campaign...
The cutscene with Osiris makes sense now.
Myelin Games: Some of you use me to go to sleep.
Me in Bed: Oh shit, he knows *sweats*
His voice is just too soothing lol
RyanOaR both him and byf, the voice is so so soothing
Watching this through I noticed that Rasputin identifies Felwinter as having "[O] energy signature" in the SIDDHARTHA GOLEM entry. This is odd because in the unsecured/OUTCRY ship Rasputin does the same symbol, except it has a line through it ( [Θ] ), which most people determined that it must be referring to the Traveler post-collapse. Since Rasputin refers to the Light as "[O] energy" post-collapse, opposed to "[Θ] energy", I feel like the unsecured/OUTCRY entry may not be referencing the Traveler.
Could easily be a typo
They may be unrelated, or only one of them relates to the traveller. The symbol with a line through it is Theta, the Greek letter representing both the sound 'th' and the number 9. I'm not too sure about this referring to the Traveller post-collapse, but I'm willing to bet '[O] energy' refers to the Light, as detected by Rasputin to be an offshoot of the Traveller's energy signature
IIRC, the [O] symbol was used in D1 lore and the [Θ] was in D2. I've always thought that the change indicated the Traveller waking up at the end of the D2 campaign, as its shell is super broken now.
[O] has been in previous grimoire written in Rasputin-speak to represent the Traveller. So when the entry states: SIDDHARTHA GOLEM identifies with [O] energy signature, Rasputin is basically acknowledging that his proxy has been hijacked by the Traveller/Light.
"A lot of you use my videos to sleep"
Oh shit that's actually a thing?? Your videos are my go-to for trying to sleep. Its not that your content is boring but because your voice is so calm and soothing
I use it to sleep, something about the beautiful background music mixed with his voice that is soothing.
It’s like he’s telling you a bedtime story
I really really hope we get Felwinter back into the main story like we did with Saint-14. He is easily as iconic as he was and now they have a really good way of putting him back into the game as an NPC to tie us with Rasputin, Deep Stone Crypt and Siva in the future.
Would be nice if we had an iconic warlock again... Osiris is gone and ikora is... just there and they made her look stupid in the vex season.
DSC-342. So many times we fought the crypt was in one place. We are now in something deep. The exos, their resets, their mem. Flashes to the crypt. Its now terrefying me. Newer exos might be born at the moment. And not by will or warmind, but by the things that dwell in the crypt
The deep stone crypt seems to be, now, almost like a sleeper agent built within exos, until recently we all thought it was a location. I wonder if more will be explained next season or we have to wait till y4
🎶Warsats keep falling on my head🎶
Thank you for the heads up the fact the lore is not yet available in the game. I like to read lore on my own then watch others interpretation of it afterwards. Your really making improvements after not doing this for the osiris lore last season
Happy to have helped Myelin! Looking forwards to the next stream!
After seeing datamine lore of Lord Felwinter I've been waiting for this video to drop!
First time hearing about felwinter in D1: meh don't know the guy, but love the shotgun.
Hearing him again in D2: Finally we find out where the hell he came from and who he is. Shotgun is still going to be nice though.
Damn imagine waking up after god knows how long to talk to some weird flying robot and then having some crazy AI drop satellites on you
Only to find out that crazy AI is you, being the one and the same. :0
Love the lore of destiny, I don't really like to read the lore tabs in game so I rather just watch some videos summarizing it. Keep up the work Myelin!
Same. There is so much lore it’s insane so I just listen to Myelin and Byf. They rock
The two just have the voice for it. Great work pls keep it up. Bungie should put both as npc's in the game 👌🏼👍🏻
Then you would be missing out by Many other Lore texts that said-'inspirations' don't have the time to be putting them All in on these kinds of their Lore videos.
Myelin and the others are always there as pointed signs of Destiny's Lore. the real fun is when one does have the time to go discovering their favorite Lore tabs/Lore books there if one really does support said-Game and not just becoming a temporary surfer within franchise there of. [urging on rubbing my forehead tiredly]
(Also, Again with the *Flateries* here. Not enough after what has been....expressed).
@@CaptainPilipinas i dont understand what you want to say 🤷♂️ and somehow i dont care 😅.
This art work is perfect! Great job Gammatrap
Much appreciated! Glad you like it!
Now I wish we could bring back to life like did with saint because having him in the game right now would be very interesting and awesome
Just want to say that myelin its been amazing watching your content grow and evolve to such an amazing standard over these years, I think its fair to say that destiny has one of the best lore communities out there full of wonderful people all talking about this wonderful universe bungie has been creating, your content as well as those like Byf, sir wallen, beard grizzly have had such a big impact on how most players view the story of destiny, well done on creating this amazing channel and thank you for being a key member of this community
So, Felwinter was an Exo holding a part of Rasputin. He was killed and resurrected by a ghost. Interesting.
Guess I don't need to watch the video now, thank :)))))
@@bailzz180 I sense sarcasm there. [sighed tiredly]
Well not just holding a part of rasputin. He was on of the rasputins seraph seven. Rasputin was a giant child and didn't like the traveler having one of his toys and ultimately played the if i can't have it no one can and sent siva to kill the iron lords.
I've never pushed a notification so fast in my life.
Same!!! Lol
SAME
For shizzle my nizzle my dude
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Anonymous Doe yes
Well Andal Brask did have the habit of telling people Cayde was secretly Rasputin.
Feel bad for Felwinter. He had a fairly action packed first few hours as a Guardian.
Loved the video Myelin. Hope you're staying safe and I hope that wedding planning is going well. Much love brother.
You havent watched it yet because its way longer than the time it was uploaded
@@Bounty_Hunter_McShay who tf cares asshole
Thanks for all you do Myelin. Really appreciate all the amazing work, especially during these weird and stressful days.
When the lore says "information gathering" my brain automatically went to the lore of the exos hunting down the scientist from titan. I forget which lore it was, but a group of exos went to titan to secure sensitive information right before the collapse. Ended up killing the scientist and a colony(?) ship that was evacuating titan. Could it be possible that felwinter would have been one of those exos?
Oh you mean "Ladt Days on Kraken Mare"
It was a shocking yet interesting lore book.
The one thing I was thinking well listening is that felwinter was the golem before he was awakened by the ghost. So when the ghost woke him Rasputin lost control and tried to kill he so he could never find out he was created.
Agh but why all this amazing lore for a character were never going to meet? I really want to interact with him in game or see an interaction between him and Rasputin! How crazy would that be?
Just like the lore for last word and thorn
It sounds like rasputin probably got all the information he wanted out of felwinter during the golden age and deactivated him. Then he gets revived by felspring and is then seen as a loose end by rasputin, hence why he tries to destroy him.
I audibly gasped when I heard DSC said out loud as Deep Stone Crypt. I didn't even catch it till then. And we know thats on Enceladus, as well! Cayde confirmed it. So much comes with this and it has me so excited.
Here's my little theory:
What likely happened was that Felwinter was personally activated by Rasputin to act as a vessel that would help Rasputin sympathize and understand Humanity post-collapse, the exo frame likely sustained damage while accumulating human knowledge in a library which led to the exo being temporarily deactivated rendering it able to be resurrected by the traveler (Which he promptly was). While Rasputin was attempting to get him back online he noticed "Oh hey, the exo suit which I was using to learn about the unpredictable and admitinly malicious nature of human beings has been resurrected by the Traveler and had its mind wiped, good thing it doesn't have access to the Warmind systems... OI BLYAT". This would explain why Rasputin was so incessant on killing Felwinter, I mean he had every ability to become this monstrous warlord with access to the ENTIRE Warmind network of warsats, bunkers, frames; I mean he could essentially take over the entire system had he wanted to.
Anyways that's what I took away from this
True, and I also believe Felwinter was made to test the theory of Morality itself, and completely in a natural way be allowed to choose a side (Light vs Dark) off his own volition so that Rasputin can know if what he's doing is 'right', or just good for humans. Which pretty much is effed if the Traveller just hijacks the vessel. It is ironic that in attempting to correct this circumstance he seems to have arrived at the intended conclusion anyway, fighting with Ana for the side of Light for the good of all.
Castor: no, this place is mine. You can’t have it.
Felwinter: BEGONE, WARLORD! *yeets Castor*
Bro it's not the case that you put me to sleep at all haha. You just have such a smooth, laid back tone/vibe and it's perfect for decompressing and winding down!!. Not to mention the quality of Destiny's lore combined with your story telling is top notch my dude. I'd be curious to see the viewer analyics too because several times I've fallen asleep to a video and awoken to another video of yours playing. Can't get enough of the Lore vids!
Your channel needs way more subs man. You deserve it for all the hard work you put together
I am forever grateful for you and your videos. Thank you for dedicating a big part of your life to make all of our special hobby all more enjoyable. Thank you.
Golem. The reason why your voice puts poeple to sleep is, your voice is soothing and gentle. Not to mention you have somber music in the back round. Enjoy thre lore. Hopefully you can continue to make vids fir the foreseeable future and still make money. Good luck, and God speed, Guardian of the Lore.
Why are you not at 200k yet??? I love the content!!! Hurry and get him up there! Love the amazing art work!🙀👍🏾
Great video. Remember the last mission in the Destiny 1 iron lords expansion? It looks to me like when you fight the remanent of felwinter, he has a human face and a human foot. but he does have blue eyes like an exo. I thought he was human back in destiny 1.
You always look like you just rolled out of bed to give us some lore. Like an old wizard in a cave. It’s actually a big mood, much love from a fellow nerd
Perhaps [O] energy signature is the Traveler's Light?
As such the Automated protocol to for "remote asset seizure" failed.
Edit: You said it left off before the SIVA Replication Chamber, perhaps Rasputin used assets at his disposal to manipulate Humanity/Guardians into destroying Felwinter? (Iron Lords, SIVA, PC's)
This bit is a bit of a stretch, but perhaps Rasputin seeking to destroy Felwinter is because of The Traveler's interference. His morality test "Siddhartha Golem" had gone rogue, The Traveler had taken something literally maybe part of him, from Rasputin.
If that were the case, it makes me question whether there was any intent on The Traveler's behalf as to Felwinter's resurrection. The Traveler wanted an Avatar? One with functioning morality.
Like I said, that part is the biggest stretch, but the first segment is what I extrapolated from that particular lore piece. Food for thought.
Felwinter yeets Castor off the mountain XD
its not that your videos are bad that they put us to sleep buddy,
its cause you voice is so soothing. its calm. i love it. kinda meditative if you will. nothing to personal against byf but i cant stand the way he talks.
you. idk man. so gentle. i love it.
Myelin, it's not a jab when people say you put them to sleep (at least from me). It's that you've got such a soothing voice with such a steady tone to it.
Gammatrap is stepping his artwork game up, this looks amazing
We all know that when a guardian is first brought to life by a ghost it has all of its memories wiped. Is this not why Rasputin wanted it down? His Exo was now under the control of the traveler when he assumed it long death. Was he not attempting to gain control over Felwinter again? Or was it because the exo had a flawed moral and that was the main reason to keep it down?
Man... instead of having answers I have more questions.... and that is why love this games lore so much
Actually people prob fall asleep to your vids because something about your voice is just relaxing and you are pretty good at telling stories or in our case my fellow guardian lore
That GammaTrap Art Though!!! 💪🏽🤯
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@@Gammatrap ArtBook compiled of all the Myelin Games Art+alternate concepts if available???🤑 $hut Up and Take My Money🤑
@@iamlegend7569 we've actually talked about that lol
@@Gammatrap Please keep me updated on your decision and 🤞🏽, Progress!
@@iamlegend7569 just make sure to follow us on Twitter. I'm sure myelin would announce it on his videos as well if we decide to go through with it
The only youtuber who I have notifications (on) for, keep up the good work
This seems to tie in very well with the recent lore on Ana Bray's new discoveries.
Even tho I don’t play destiny anymore it has a great story. So I still keep watching your videos as well as Byf’s.
Thanks Myelin for the story telling! And thanks Joe Staten for the story!
I think fellwinter is a frame that was created for rasputin to use as a last resort. The traveler then used the light to gift it consciousness hence why rasputin "attacked the traveler" and tries to take out fellwinter.
I thought there was some leaked dialogue from the quest that said Felwinter was the "Son of Rasputin" in the secret area of the Moon Bunker. Excellent video as always.
I remember a lore entry from D1 where one of the iron Lord's joked about Felwinter being Rasputin or having some connection to him.
Golem... wow never expected that. Thanks myelin once again for a terrific lore telling
Glad im not the only person who gets lulled to sleep by myelin’s storytelling haha
MYELIN, put on the ornament for the Crest of alpha lupi, then add the monochromatic shader to it and look at what's inside the black triangle on the back. (I also sent this to another)
Had to chuckle when he said that he puts the viewer to sleep while I'm in the bed at 0am watching this video
Hey Myeiln, since now that we got the shotgun, getting the lore books about Felwinter is really easy which that is "Just get kills with Felwinter's Lie"
Not wrong using your videos to sleep i used to watch your Book Of Sorrows videos and fall asleep because how calming and peaceful your voice is
Isn't that [O] Rasputin's code for the Traveler? Felwinter gets reactivated by a Ghost, has the Traveler's energy signature (because he is now a Guardian), and cannot be returned (and possibly subsumed?) by Papa Warmind.
This is very solid. Good stuff on this Myelin! :)
Oh boy do I love me some beginning video gammatrap art
Interesting both Felwinter and the Drifters ghosts have moments where they explain that repeatedly dying would be easier for them in the long run, to which the two have different reactions (and resurrections)
For anyone who is reading this it should be noted that the "final" step of the quest (felwinter's inheritance) is currently bugged and they plan to fix it in the morning.
Huh
@@Demigodking as of Thursday May21 it has been fixed.
Bro when I get back to work I'm joining channel ! thanks for all the hard work!
Fantastic art as always Gamma. Wished you were lead on armor design for bungie
Oh I'd be horrible at that job lol But thank you so much!
How cool would it be if they brought Felwinter back some how? Like maybe once the other Iron Lord's were killed, Rasputin had Siva isolate and deactivate Felwinter (so that he could study him or something) and then he gets brought back online some how
In one story concept in D1 wasn’t there supposed to be a mission to save Rasputin from the Dreadnaught; he placed his mind in an Exo so he could figure something out up close or something but gets trapped, I don’t remember.
Now that the quest is a little more done another interesting note is that its revealed that Rasputin used Siva to bait Felwinter. It explains why the iron lords got so much resistance why it seemed like Rasputin was using so much force to "keep them out" when in reality all of it was meant for Felwinter, to kill him.
Great video as always! Gammatrap has outdone himself this time!
Just for clarification: Siddhartha Golem was an exo created by Rasputin to help the Warmind experience life as humans do. It wasn't Rasputin himself, but a proxy for him. However, at some point Siddhartha Golem dies (probably during Collapse). Then during the Dark Age, Felspring finds SG, revives him with the new name Felwinter. Rasputin realizes that SG is reactivated but is no longer under his control, and tries to destroy the now "rogue" unit. So Felwinter's true identity is that he was created as a proxy fro Rasputin?
Nah, it had gone rogue the moment the traveller chosen it as a risen
getting crushed by a cabal droppod is the felwinter expirence
I think Felwinter is kinda related with the Seven Sereaphs, in the lore card of this season’s ship, Rasputin says that these Seraphs were everything to him, that could somehow relate as well to why Big Red is hunting down Felwinter. (hardcore speculation ahead) maybe Felwinter was an exo used by Rasputin to learn about humanity alongside the Seraphs, maybe even being somehow emotionally connected to them, and making this exo go rougue, and being separated from the Rasputin systems. Idk, HUGE SPECULATION
I would've liked it if they had just 1 more lore entry in the book that depicted Felwinter's final thoughts as he was being consumed by siva. To me, it just ends so suddenly that it doesn't feel satisfying.
OMG! Wait a minute you guys remember the Seven Seraph and how it mentions the season of the worthy we'll find out more about the Seventh Seraph and if Felwinter is Rasputin could that mean Rasputin is actually the Seventh Seraph. If so that would imply there were more exos that Rasputin made remember how there was that one place with seven chair that seem to be connect to Rasputin, maybe that's where Rasputin made 7 exos that would experience life. Also why Seraph and why seven, in Roman Catholicism there's the seven deadly sins and the seven heavenly virtues. Seraph are a type of angel so it could be referred to the seven heavenly virtues and if so maybe each one of the exos Rasputin made could personify those virtues, as to what virtue Felwinter could personify idk, but remember how a while back everyone was thinking Cayde-6 could be Rasputin what if we were right what if he's the Sixth Seraph and he personifies the virtue of Courage or maybe Faith as in the faith to believe that he lived a live had a son named Ace and so on.
Hmmm... this rings some bells...
In the "Fullmetal Alchemist" manga, there is a being, called "Father" or "Dwarf in the Flask", that creates several other entities, Homunculi, to get rid himself of his own vices. Each of them represent a single Deadly Sin and dies in a way too ironic way later, but...
Each of them had their own personality, although mostly defined by the sin they represented. Each of them was their own being and made their own desisions.
Why this ring bells?
Golem was a creature in Hebrew mythos created from earth. Clay, to be precise, but, they needed to be controlled and did not possess will of their own - something like low functioning frames (i.e. Arcite-99 is a high functioning frame, with personality, wit and will). Homunculus, on the other hand, is an Artificial Human. A creature created by magic in a humanoid shape. With its own will and desires, but ofter tasked with orders from its creator.
Fellwinter's crawing was the responsibility and desire to protect Humanity, just like Rasputin's. He was created as a Homonculus to experience and feedback moral choices, but was not acting mindlessly. Felwinter had its own personality and will. Had a task. And made decisions.
He WAS part of the Warmind Rasputin, but not as a manifestation or proxy or a sub-mind, but as a creature born of necessety and desire. Totally different and independent from Rsputin but also always connected to him.
Then why not just call Felwinter a "homunculus"?
Rasputin possibly knew the name and the definition, but was unable to create one - homunculi are, for the better part, organic. Even creating an Exo with complete neural netting os a human brain wasn't easy - I assume the number DSC-345 refers to the number of actual attempts warmind has undertaken to create an Exo homunculus. However, since Exo are robotic (cybernetic?) enities, logical mind of Rasputin named the protocol "Siddhartha Golem", as there were 2 key components to the whole ordeal 1) Leaving the compounds of the Mindlab, as placed there by Bray corporation to be a tool in the fight for humanity, to experience and gain moral insight (Much like prince Siddhartha in buddism history) and 2) creating an artificial means to do this.
So yeah, tl;dr - Felwinter was essentially Rasputin, but also, Felwinter was an separate, independent, self-aware being. Otherwise, this whole learnig shebang would be as futile, as convincing the Hive to convert to Bomb logic.
Felspring: "He's you"
Me: 🤯🤯🤯
I just want to believe that it’s possible that we can meet Felwinter-2. Because when you think about it, in the lore entry, it says that this was a protocol meant to gather information. Well, if Rasputin still has that information.....we could “revive” Felwinter. If we found an Exo frame somewhere on Europa, well....
Which I think would be a great story point for the upcoming expansion, Collapse. We go to Europa after the Veil comes in and wrecks us, and find some tech. Maybe we get Felwinter up and running and he teaches us some cool new abilities. Idk, highly improbable, but sounds nice in my head :P
7:38 I thought for a second there that Myelin said "Gryphon and Felwinter fuck off."
So rasputin was using felwinters exo frame to experience human moral and when felspring revived him rasputin wanted to destroy the frame since it had gone rouge
Pretty much. That's a cool twist
Felwinter was ruthless, he just ended buddies existence for territory
Holy shit Gammatrap, that artwork is superb!
holy hell this lore is getting SPICAY
Wow. Felwinter reminds me of our blueberry days when we first encountered lore. Didn’t know Jackdiddlysquat.
Golem.
Yup, precisely.
I've been looking forward to this. Was not disappointed. How come Felwinter looked like a human in D1?
My guess is that he could’ve been human before then was made exo after a certain death
When did he look like a human?
All the sivafied iron lords looked the same, but its still strange
Ghost even says they have human dna. He didn’t mention anything about Exos at all
Maybe that wasn't really Felwinter as his armor is much different too
It's not that you put me to sleep dude, it's more like I need your content to go to sleep. You, Byf, Roanoke, etc. Not boring!
He knows we sleep to his lore videos the gig is up lads
You should do another channel where you just make ASMR content. Your older Destiny 1 lore videos always give those tingles from head to toe. Love your videos keep it up. Stay safe
Golem!!! Dude awesome video. I had my suspension that Rasputin and fel winter were connected some how but I never thought it went this deep. Throw in deep stone crypt stuff and I'm thinking about cade! I just got goosebumps 😮😳
This makes me wonder how things would have gone if Bungie had used the original story arc for Destiny 1 of the player having to board the Dreadnought to rescue Rasputin, who the player finds out is contained in an Exo who has been captured by the Hive. It seems like this idea is now being used for Felwinter, at least the "Rasputin in an Exo" part.