Should do a re-test of this "Myth" with other types of BoV's as well, trying a wide range of the most common / popular ones, with Data to back it up or not, would be great to have on hand. It's still a HIGHLY controversial topic across forums.
Honda spends millions on r&d to test every thing on a vehicle. If HoA thought it was a bad idea they probably wouldn't let him test it on a HoA car and provided info on why not to test it.
If it’s meant to work with a diverter valve, use the diverter valve. When I had my 2015 1.8 turbo Jetta I heard about the issues BOVs would cause so I stuck with a diverter valve.
I was shown this link after another "BOV or No" type comment on reddit. I hate car forums as most of the time I see innocent questions or comments bring toxic answers and replies. Other L15B7 questions aside, it is nice to learn something new about how changes have allowed the BOV to be less of a hinderance to the system. I have a '19 Si and have been looking to get out of it to get into something more "analog" . One question I have is how this will affect long term performance and longevity of the engine as one person justified the BOV sound being worth the potential extra strain on the turbo . For DD, without tune or other bolt ones, the BOV doesn't seem worth the cost, though that extra HP/Tor is quite a lovely thing. Still a lot of thinking to do, but I am glad I was shown this video .Thank you.
@@Bisimoto Yessir, I get that. I was talking specifically about the L15B7 and engines like it using a recirculating system. The GDI turbo engine is rife with questions about reliability and longevity due to the increased pressure , oil dilution, and lack of valve cleaning (to name a few). I remember hearing about you as an up and comer and was pleased to see you still heavily involved in thriving after years of my absence. Thank you for your work and support for the community. Best to you and yours.
@@capokub An aftermarket recirculating bov (bpv) would be fine (assuming the quality is good). The issue is that the AFR is calculated before where the BOV is, and by releasing the air to the atmosphere early rather than recirculating it you cause the ECU to dump more fuel than necessary and run rich. I've seen multiple cars on the forums get fucked up because they ran a BOV as there is no way to really account for that missing air due to the placement of the MAF.
I'm honestly not sure how in this video they didn't run rich, as I read through datalogs of others running BOVs from multiple companies and having immediate losses and especially long term negative side effects.
Your video came out good and I appreciate the data. I think what the others are trying to say in the comments is: 1. The fuel/air ratio is being calculated in part by how much air the MAF is reading 2. The ECU is anticipating a certain amount of air to be recirculated through the intake system. 3. Based on the above, the ECU knows how much fuel to deliver. Hence your air / fuel ratio. 4. When that air is not recirculated (atmosphere) you’re left with more fuel since the air that the MAF anticipated to be recirculated isn’t there any longer. This all makes for great sounds and great fuel ratios but the sensors are prior to the air and fuel mixing... the damage is done after that happens. So in theory, this is an incomplete test and not saying it can even be completed at all. You’re seeing ratios of what the MAF is anticipating but where you’re BOV is adjusting recirculating is after the sensors reading. Viewers should also keep in mind that this is a commercial video and sponsorships are involved (I’m guessing). No way, no how would Honda agree with you to put an aftermarket BOV in. They’d have designed it like that or give an option if that were the case.
Thanks for hot input. The ECU protocol uses a blend on MAF and MAP.... Not MAF only. Yes, the manufacturer likes civic owners to modify, sensibly. No sponsorships involved. Thanks.
@Zack Rogers You are correct. Sure the MAP sensor monitors intake pressure and adjusts, but the issue is the long term fuel trim. It will be rich, damaging components more quickly.
I really liked this a lot. I think it would’ve also been nice to see a test of the factory valve with the tune. I think it would’ve been cool to see those difference to see if the better seal mattered even more when more boost was thrown in.
I've been running a torque solutions dv plate for over 3 months now... in order to run it with no issues for a long period of time, ive had to mix in extra e85. I am currently running the TSP stage 1+ tune. Deff running really rich, but not all of the time, only after letting off of a wot pull. Sounds great. But the car is driving differently.
Bisi, I purchased this same BOV for my 2020 Si based on your testing and data collection. It's going on the car next week when it gets to the house. Thank you for dispelling a wildly inaccurate myth in the 10th gen community. I know some people who don't believe that data is paramount to research will disagree with you, but in my mind the map sensors in the intake manifold would read the incoming air when the throttle closed anyway since the engine management doesn't care what happens to the metered air once the throttle is closed.
Update: after installing and driving for SEVERAL thousand miles I can attest to this BOV being safe for the 10th gen Si. I've driven my car at least 100 miles a day and upwards of 200 per day with this bov and a Hondata box +6 tune. No issues whatsoever
Great video! Would a bov spacer hurt the turbo or engine? Any detrimental effects? Some say it’s fine others say it’s not good for the car 🤷🏻♂️ I just want a feedback from you because you are the honda and tuning 👑
If you're considering this mod, I have the bov installed and it sometimes causes the car to stall when accelerating hard and stopping quickly. Planning to take it off in a week or 2
I had a boomba BOV and lost 10whp. I didn't know what caused my civic to lose power until I took out my BOV. Some BOb will mess with the a/f ratio. Just becareful.
I found the Rx7 comment interesting how you said that a bov may impact a 3rd gen Rx7 due to old school maf technology. 3rd gen rx7’s don’t have maf’s from the factory they run an intake temp sensor.
BOV primary purpose is to relieve pressure from building back against the compressor wheel. However a good recirculating system resolves that instead of relieving to atmosphere and maintains pressure resulting in faster response as well. Interested to see the results here…
Can anyone chime in on whether its worth doing this type of mod if you're already running an intake? I was hoping for more "character" at lower speeds/rpm.
Got to say, good stuff here. Lots of questions surrounding this topic for quite some time now. VIt did some testing as well around this and had a much different opinion based on his results. However, your test results show that this can be done safely. The real question I guess would be longevity and how it will perform as miles are put on.
frrr and he also considers that the community is talking about hurting the performance peaks but actually we’re more takjing about the lingering problem over time
Awesome video. After taking a look at the comments it seems this myth is far from settled lol! I do find it hard to believe that Honda, with the knowledge that it's consumers love to modify and tune their products, would make something with like an aftermarket BOV impossible to use. Most of the threads I've read on the issue come from 17 & 18 10th gens. So I am curious if there is anything different about the 2020 car/ECU? Thank you for the video and the data Bisi. Subbed 🤙
CheeRS. Lots of opinions, but no data. Seems to me to be a way to make a particular individual popular. I did not see any issues with any of the 10th gens, with a quality BOV.
Regardless of the results, nice video, I did have a the blowoff valve by the company that starts with B and it wasn’t running too happy and made the better choice of an intake, so this proves quality matters 🤙🏼
I’ve owned a 2020 Si since last July. Lots of fun, plenty of power to get you in trouble but doesn’t seem to draw a lot of attention from police like a type R would. I tell people it’s the most exciting grocery getter you can get into new for under $30k Big fan Bisi!! ✌️
To be honest I’ve been curious, I’ve had two act up on my civic sport, boomba & turbosmart, both had scaring on the plug, boomba had deep scars and turbosmart just stop working I live in a dusty environment and figured that’s why ? But started hearing turbo flutters on both after a while, my engine bay is dusty as a mofo, I’ve been wanting to install on my fk8 as well but real nervous
This has been explained by a profesional tuner expert on this gen, you can't put a BOV because the ECU uses it to aid the wastegate, yet you deleted the comment. It's a great oportunity for you to correct this incomplete or misleading information!
Actually it is incorrect. I work with American Honda directly, and was part of the 10th gen development team. When I saw this misconception, I wanted to put it to the test, and Honda happy gave us a vehicle to test. By the way, I have not deleted any comments... But UA-cam will due to profanity.
@@Bisimoto I believe that there is something we are all missing here. Not all ECUs/models react equal, and all people related to ECU tuning advise against using BOV's. I wouldn't say it works perfect with all 10th gens.
@@Bisimoto I can't remember specific ECU numbers, but I believe ECU's that run at open loop at "wot" (Europe for example) behaves worse that other ECU's. Also, info from expert tuners says that the stock BPV is commanded not only after lifting off the throttle bot in other many cases and enviroments. You may want to read a bit on this civicx thread some info about it and maybe clear some things up? www.civicx.com/forum/threads/oh-no-not-another-bov-thread.57978/
@@Bisimoto lol everyone has seen the screenshot of his comment on your video. Stop lying, you can’t handle the truth from someone who actually deals with these cars everyday
How dare you? I will NEVER stoop to such unscrupulous levels. If anything is ever deleted, it is via UA-cam. That person has a hard time communicating without profanity, and that is not allowed here.
I'm thinking about buying this bov for my 2020 si. Can you explain the difference between the hard and soft settings and what you reccomend? Also what was the stock tune you were running on the tuner? Thank you kindly
There’s no better Honda Tuner than BISI. If He says it’s It’s Good, take that to the bank!!! Stop listening to guys on the forums!! Thanks BISI, stay well!!
@@Cultofpersonality09129 anyone with common knowledge of these vehicles or is an actual tuner recommends against these. This was just a paid advertisement for their bov🤣
I had a Boomba BOV on my 10th gen hatchback.. was getting mad turbo lag. Turbo would have a 2-3 second lag before kicking on fully. BOV and CAI were the only mods I had on my car. Obviously took the BOV off
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Could Honda have updated the ecu's on the 2020 civic's ? Because the test that where done by others where all on the older 2016-2017 civics.I also have heard from TDI north in the UK that they didn't see any negative results with a turbosmart bov.And they are a very reputable tuning shop.I also heard others say it runs rich after the bov blows off. On another note why didn't you point out the STFT values and only watched the AFR? You can see the STFT jumping up to -16 ~ -25 right after the bov blows off .
I was told by the manufacturer that the protocol allowed for atmospheric BOVs from inception. This test was to see if anything changed. On stock civics, STFTs also adjust due to abrupt closing of the throttle. Thanks.
If you're gonna tune, just tune. Don't think about warranty. I have a 10 year / 120k warranty and I tuned at 25k. When you bring it in, re-flash back to stock and see what happens. I've heard they can see, can't see... It's a gray area. I've had a great time with my car since tuning. I recommend it!
always find out if the dealer you bought it from is MOD friendly when it comes to warranty otherwise they would have to prove that the said mod caused the malfunction or failure.
What about installing a blow off valve or torque solution spacer on a factory/stock 2019 civic si.. Would it be alright to do this or would the car require upgrades/mods
Later on your car will stall out at a light trust me atmosphere blow off valves are bad. We had one on our car with a tune and we had all kinds a problems come to find out we needed a Full recirculation bypass valve. Just a heads up
@@Bisimoto Yeah we had a boomba blow off valve when we couldn't figure it out we took our car to the dealership they figured it out that. that was the problem and when we switched the valves that fixed the problem we just needed the Full recirculation bypass valve. And the car runs great now. Crazy how some valves will mess with you and we even had a tune on the car when all this happen.
Can everyone here just go the route of buying a prl cobra intake and get the sound you want and some actual power gains. All this explanation for a “mod” that does nothing but make noise.
I'm using the Torque Solutions BOF Spacer and I just had my car stall when I was coming to a stop. Why would this happen? Shouldnt the computer be compensating?
Happened to me as well. I noticed it typically happens after a small pull then sudden braking. The computer typically would compensate for it but in this case it’s getting the wrong data due to venting metered air
I'd like to know what the long term affects are. Especially considering you say you were part of the development team for this car and Honda lent you the car knowing what you were going to do, yet when consulting with my local dealer and Honda USA they advised against a VTA bov.
@@Bisimoto I honestly couldn't tell you the name of the Honda rep I spoke to over the phone. Not that it would matter the information wouldn't mean anything. I do remember the Honda tech I spoke to at the dealership though. His name is Bill. He informed me of multiple X Gens he's worked on with VTA BOVs that had cat damage and even a couple with ECM failures. The explanation he gave me was that the BOV vents metered air that the bypass valve wouldnt and that causes the AFRs to drop, as low as 7-8 in tuned cars. TL;DR get a CAI, it'll give you the same noise, better gains if choosing the right one, and not damage the car in the long run. The stock bypass valve is more than capable of handling tuned boost pressures on the stock turbo.
@@Bisimoto Of course I would trust my own tests if I had the means to do them, but it is fishy that you would be told one thing by Honda and I would be told something completely different. And since I was told the same things from Honda Corporate and an actual tech that works on these cars every day, I'd much rather trust that info than from somebody basically do an ad for a BOV. Either way I wish you well with the M16 build, its looks pretty sick.
Where are you located ? I have a 2017 type r with a HKS BOV and HONDATA that is not yet dyno tuned. I’m willing to volunteer my car for same testing since so many of your viewers including myself want to know and see this same test done on.
Avoid like the plague, this guys knows nothing about the 10th gen platform. The misinformation he spreads is detremental to your engine. The manufacturer of the bov he uses in this cash grab of a video has pulled their product for the 10th gens because they found it was harmful to our cars and provided no real benefit.
@@dialedmedia_ no, he wasn't right, and he draws your attention in the video from the screen that shows the stft. The ecm has no way of knowing that the air that was stupidly vented has not been recirculated as designed. The air goes back into the intake stream after the man sensor, and since the car doesn't have a map based ignition/fuel strategy, the car ends up running rich between shifts and when coming off boost in general. Get an intake for the cool noise.
Bisimoto would you get the same results on the bov that is installed near the battery like the HKS SSQV? I ask because you have to reroute some of the vac lines in order to install. I did thus on my 2017 Type R and my car threw an engine code and was backfiring and stumbling so I took it back off. Granted I also have an Injen intake and straight pipe from cat back. It might have just been too much with the other mods included. Interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks!
My CVT is jerking and I’m kind of desperate to find an answer. I got a frontpipe, downpipe, BOV, Injen intake and a tune. I already changed the trans fluid, it fixed the jerking and stalling issue for a month but now its back… Idk what to do I’m thinking of getting rid of it.
Question I am thinking about getting a prl cobra intake, turbosmart bov, and a whole MAPerformance stealth exhaust. Will I need to tune my car if I get these items all together??
Bisi, possible idea for another video. There is a lot of discussion about using oil catch cans on the earth dreams L15B7. Some of the most thorough research I’ve seen seem to indicate that it’s unnecessary, as Honda engineered a pretty effective air/oil separator into the underside of the valve cover. Also of interest would be the alleged oil dilution issues some of these motors have had. Personally I think these stories are anecdotal, overstated, and the result of bad habits by the owners. Overall just interested in your thoughts.
There is zero debate with catch cans on effectiveness. They work and will help keep your engine cleaner. Once you see what the catch can collects you'll understand why. My PCV can definitely makes a difference, the CCV can stays pretty much nine dry but regardless for the Si I highly recommend the single PCV can. It's only going to help the motor stay cleaner, longer.
@@thinkforyourself5672 Actual research since this post indicates the presence of the catch can is what causes oil to end up in the catch can. No problem if you have it, no problem if you don’t - the air/oil separator is already built in. If you’re inclined to spend that money though, go right ahead.
What adjustment was needed on the Turbosmart bov? Harder or softer to keep the idle stable? Did it work fine at the softest level with factory boost levels or did you have to adjust?
During the test we had it at the factory setting which is one full rotation clockwise from the softest setting. So technically in between but closer to soft.
I plan on getting a 2021 sport hatch cvt. I don’t want to void the warranty, do you think they would give me crap for a HKS BoV and maybe a DC Sports Strutbar?
@@Bisimoto I’m afraid to ask when I buy it, they might get the idea that I’m gonna rag on the car. But I plan on keeping it for a decade or more if I can dodge oil dilution, so I will not be smashing the whip like a younger me did to my Volvo that’s now all beat up.
I would as well, ordered one back in 2017 when I first got my hatch and was told to take it off so I did lol. Gonna look into this turbosmart bov for sure.
Thanks for the informative video.👌🏾 Can you please get a 10th gen civic si and do your Bisi magic lol. Would be nice to see how you like the platform and if you think anything could be improved.
I have torque solutions bov and i installed in my 2017 Honda civic hatchback sport i have the racechip tune setup on 7+ highest setting and adds to 48+ horsepower by the chip and installed injen intake and im at 245. I want to see the actual gains and I'm in California near Ontario CA.
@@dvidz6238 I believe not but I'm not sure if did anything but the bov makes my car sound better with the blow off sound. And recently have the hks legamax premium exhaust in my civic. 6hp from that install.
The civic you had for experiment showed quite a bit of power in stock trim. 217pound feet of torque is alot more than advertised. I haven't had my denied yet, but I would be greatly disappointed if it didn't come close to that.
@@briansnipergx8012 in all honesty, other manufacturers are doing the same as well. So why can't honda advertise 230ish hp and lie about the output. No matter what, honda is still way underpowered. Don't get me wrong, I'm a honda guy myself and really liked my 10th gen SI. But even after a few mods and a tune, it still just wasn't there.
@@AudiuX I know it's a civic. I'm just saying honda could have giving it a bit more power for the good old honda fans just to not feel so...left out when compared to the market. I really liked my 10th gen SI, but as always, it was just quite not there.
It's this dyno that's reading high. It's not spinning the wheels of the car nor is there any tire friction. Missing 40lbs of rotational mass will definitely print out higher numbers.
Had a spacer plate and an HKS BOV both through codes on my car you can NOT run a BOV on the 10thgen civic. My car throwing codes BECAUSE OF THE BOV is all the data I need. Once I put the BPV on, all problems went away. So I’ll say this again YOU CANNOT RUN A BOV !!!!! On a 10thgen civic. Now repeat that so you understand that you cannot run a BOV on a 10thgencivic.
The advice experiment must be an illusion. Since the video, we have installed numerous Turbosmart BOV units on 10th gens without qualms. I cannot speak to your installation, however.
What about turboxs it's a hybrid, your still partially using the recirculating system compared to the turbosmart which is a fully atmospheric release. So using the hybrid going off your info it should make the map sensor reading happy for the car more than atmospheric release?
I'm still debating wether I should get a bov, after watching this video I'm finally reconsidering, but the tuners from phearable said that it ruins your fuel trims which idk of thats true or not
MAF is looking at the amount of air that's going to be pulled into the engine. These cars are built with recirculating bypass valves. If you put a BoV on and you're losing air AFTER the sensor has seen what was supposed to be there you are going to run rich fuel period. Most damage is going to be to the exhaust system including the Catalytic converter. Is it going to be instant damage, of course not, but overtime yes. If you want to hear the turbo spool and get that pshhh noise you're better of lf installing a CAI, I did, and you can get people to turn their heads when you drive past them on the street. With a CAI you'll get the noise, some power gain, better fuel mileage.
Kalani, luckily for us, Honda uses a metering protocol that incorporates both MAF and MAP, and compensates accordingly. Please stop perpetuating misinformation. Thanks.
@@ToyoSpeedDemon thanks, this thread helped alot, I dont get why he didnt show the fuel trims if that is what the myth is all centered about, I might get the torque solutions just for temporary fun but I dont plan on keeping one anymore
This video reeks of advertisement for Turbosmart. BoV are BAD for 10th gen civics. In other comments I see others ask about other BoVs and you just respond on how great Turbosmart is, BoVs are the same just how they are built or materials can be different, but they all do the same thing Vent To Air. If you really want to put this "myth" to rest why not reach out to DRob and do a debate video and post that, I'm sure he would have some kind of interest seeing how he originally responded to this "commercial"
Should do a re-test of this "Myth" with other types of BoV's as well, trying a wide range of the most common / popular ones, with Data to back it up or not, would be great to have on hand. It's still a HIGHLY controversial topic across forums.
Honda spends millions on r&d to test every thing on a vehicle. If HoA thought it was a bad idea they probably wouldn't let him test it on a HoA car and provided info on why not to test it.
Would love an update to these myths with the 22 WRX. Subaru community still pushing these stereotypes hard.
If it’s meant to work with a diverter valve, use the diverter valve. When I had my 2015 1.8 turbo Jetta I heard about the issues BOVs would cause so I stuck with a diverter valve.
Why did you block Derek from calling you out on your false information?
False? No. Kindly share where this test is flawed.
BTW, he was banned from my channel weeks ago for using profanity.
@@Bisimoto "for using profanity" What a great way to say you are afraid of differing opinions and an obvious excuse to get out of confrontation.
Lol or the guy just doesn't appreciate or tolerate disrespect people in his channel. You can disagree with someone all day and still be respectful
I was shown this link after another "BOV or No" type comment on reddit. I hate car forums as most of the time I see innocent questions or comments bring toxic answers and replies. Other L15B7 questions aside, it is nice to learn something new about how changes have allowed the BOV to be less of a hinderance to the system. I have a '19 Si and have been looking to get out of it to get into something more "analog" . One question I have is how this will affect long term performance and longevity of the engine as one person justified the BOV sound being worth the potential extra strain on the turbo . For DD, without tune or other bolt ones, the BOV doesn't seem worth the cost, though that extra HP/Tor is quite a lovely thing. Still a lot of thinking to do, but I am glad I was shown this video .Thank you.
BOV units help the turbo. The absence of one causes strain.
@@Bisimoto Yessir, I get that. I was talking specifically about the L15B7 and engines like it using a recirculating system. The GDI turbo engine is rife with questions about reliability and longevity due to the increased pressure , oil dilution, and lack of valve cleaning (to name a few). I remember hearing about you as an up and comer and was pleased to see you still heavily involved in thriving after years of my absence. Thank you for your work and support for the community. Best to you and yours.
@@capokub An aftermarket recirculating bov (bpv) would be fine (assuming the quality is good). The issue is that the AFR is calculated before where the BOV is, and by releasing the air to the atmosphere early rather than recirculating it you cause the ECU to dump more fuel than necessary and run rich. I've seen multiple cars on the forums get fucked up because they ran a BOV as there is no way to really account for that missing air due to the placement of the MAF.
I'm honestly not sure how in this video they didn't run rich, as I read through datalogs of others running BOVs from multiple companies and having immediate losses and especially long term negative side effects.
Not all BOVs are created equally.
Your video came out good and I appreciate the data. I think what the others are trying to say in the comments is:
1. The fuel/air ratio is being calculated in part by how much air the MAF is reading
2. The ECU is anticipating a certain amount of air to be recirculated through the intake system.
3. Based on the above, the ECU knows how much fuel to deliver. Hence your air / fuel ratio.
4. When that air is not recirculated (atmosphere) you’re left with more fuel since the air that the MAF anticipated to be recirculated isn’t there any longer.
This all makes for great sounds and great fuel ratios but the sensors are prior to the air and fuel mixing... the damage is done after that happens.
So in theory, this is an incomplete test and not saying it can even be completed at all. You’re seeing ratios of what the MAF is anticipating but where you’re BOV is adjusting recirculating is after the sensors reading.
Viewers should also keep in mind that this is a commercial video and sponsorships are involved (I’m guessing). No way, no how would Honda agree with you to put an aftermarket BOV in. They’d have designed it like that or give an option if that were the case.
Wouldn’t the wideband he put in the tailpipe tell the true air fuel ratio since it’s post everything?
Thanks for hot input. The ECU protocol uses a blend on MAF and MAP.... Not MAF only.
Yes, the manufacturer likes civic owners to modify, sensibly.
No sponsorships involved. Thanks.
I monitored post catalyst mechanically, post catalyst via OBD, and pre=cat via OBD: three data points.
Someone in the civicx forms tested some bovs and found the air / fuel ratio is effected and over a long period of time will effect the engine.
@Zack Rogers You are correct. Sure the MAP sensor monitors intake pressure and adjusts, but the issue is the long term fuel trim. It will be rich, damaging components more quickly.
Can you please test Type R FK8 with hks BOV. Plss
I really liked this a lot. I think it would’ve also been nice to see a test of the factory valve with the tune. I think it would’ve been cool to see those difference to see if the better seal mattered even more when more boost was thrown in.
That had been done hundreds of times. I had to stay on topic, and thanks.
I'm putting one on now! Sounds great! Bisimoto=The Best!
Cheers
I've been running a torque solutions dv plate for over 3 months now... in order to run it with no issues for a long period of time, ive had to mix in extra e85. I am currently running the TSP stage 1+ tune. Deff running really rich, but not all of the time, only after letting off of a wot pull. Sounds great. But the car is driving differently.
i didnt know Bisimoto had a channel. been following this company for a long time.
Greetings!
would the torque solution one be a good choice as a BOV?
Bisi, I purchased this same BOV for my 2020 Si based on your testing and data collection. It's going on the car next week when it gets to the house. Thank you for dispelling a wildly inaccurate myth in the 10th gen community. I know some people who don't believe that data is paramount to research will disagree with you, but in my mind the map sensors in the intake manifold would read the incoming air when the throttle closed anyway since the engine management doesn't care what happens to the metered air once the throttle is closed.
Update: after installing and driving for SEVERAL thousand miles I can attest to this BOV being safe for the 10th gen Si. I've driven my car at least 100 miles a day and upwards of 200 per day with this bov and a Hondata box +6 tune. No issues whatsoever
@@BeefSupremeAviation did any warning lights go off
@@thatoneguy9482 not one warning light has come on in 25-30k miles
Thanks, a million!
Could you provide a link to the bov?
Great video! Would a bov spacer hurt the turbo or engine? Any detrimental effects? Some say it’s fine others say it’s not good for the car 🤷🏻♂️ I just want a feedback from you because you are the honda and tuning 👑
hey don't know, lol why ask
@@Austin_1111 I was asking the creator of this video lol
If you're considering this mod, I have the bov installed and it sometimes causes the car to stall when accelerating hard and stopping quickly. Planning to take it off in a week or 2
It's a torque solution VTA bov plate
I had a boomba racing bov and had the same issue
Not all BOVs are created equally.
@@Bisimoto but the principle is the same. Venting out metered air is gonna cause issues regardless
@@DreamGaming12bro I have been running my bov for a long time now. I have no issues. I have upgraded turbo, intake and exhaust. No issues
I had a boomba BOV and lost 10whp. I didn't know what caused my civic to lose power until I took out my BOV. Some BOb will mess with the a/f ratio. Just becareful.
I believe that: i have heard about issues with that brand.
@@Bisimoto Hmm yep just that brand
I found the Rx7 comment interesting how you said that a bov may impact a 3rd gen Rx7 due to old school maf technology. 3rd gen rx7’s don’t have maf’s from the factory they run an intake temp sensor.
The result turbo rx7s comment was based on the experience off my teammate.... It was a horrible experience in his FC
Btw the LB15 is built with a BPV a valve that recirculates the air the the bov releases thus upgrading the stock BPV with a better bpv
All Im hearing is Ed Bassmaster as Chip Diamond - "pshhh... Unreal..."
hahaha this comment
14.5? Pshh. Pshhh. Kicks car. Pshhh
Depends on MAF or MAP and whether recirculating
Not too clear on your point. Kindly elaborate.
Thank you for this !! Did u try the the torque solutions adapter yet ? If not please do. I’d love to see how that affects the system
Not yet. Cheers.
BOV primary purpose is to relieve pressure from building back against the compressor wheel.
However a good recirculating system resolves that instead of relieving to atmosphere and maintains pressure resulting in faster response as well.
Interested to see the results here…
Can you repeat the test with the HKS/Greddy BOV full atmospheric. They make adapters for it and they are amazing sounding
I just may!
Can anyone chime in on whether its worth doing this type of mod if you're already running an intake? I was hoping for more "character" at lower speeds/rpm.
I need this question answered desperately
If you have an intake you don’t need the bov. It’ll just make the noise a lil bit louder but it is pointless if you have an intake
The answer is leave the OEM diverter valve on the car. There is zero need for a BOV. The system was designed without one for a reason.
Thank you! I wanted to get more turbo noise but don’t know how. Very excited to try this, hope there are no hidden dangers with using it.
Prl intake gets a lot.more noise
did you try it? Have you had problems in the last 2 years?
Got to say, good stuff here. Lots of questions surrounding this topic for quite some time now. VIt did some testing as well around this and had a much different opinion based on his results. However, your test results show that this can be done safely. The real question I guess would be longevity and how it will perform as miles are put on.
Cheers. Kindly keep in mind that the longevity question still stems from misinformation.
I like how you delete the comments from Derek that constantly disprove you, then claim ignorance about it.
I have not deleted anything. Please stop!
He deleted them him self
Question does a torque solution BOV plate Vent to atmosphere cause an emissions fail? Or smog test fail?
Seems like these type of dynos always have higher numbers since you don't have the weight of the wheels and friction of tires for drive train loss. 🤔
frrr and he also considers that the community is talking about hurting the performance peaks but actually we’re more takjing about the lingering problem over time
@@wop8911 facts the OEM recirculation does a really good job aftermarket not so much
Awesome video. After taking a look at the comments it seems this myth is far from settled lol! I do find it hard to believe that Honda, with the knowledge that it's consumers love to modify and tune their products, would make something with like an aftermarket BOV impossible to use.
Most of the threads I've read on the issue come from 17 & 18 10th gens. So I am curious if there is anything different about the 2020 car/ECU?
Thank you for the video and the data Bisi. Subbed 🤙
CheeRS. Lots of opinions, but no data. Seems to me to be a way to make a particular individual popular. I did not see any issues with any of the 10th gens, with a quality BOV.
So is the 2019 and up has no issues with the bov?
I did not see any issues with any of the 10th gen civics.
@@Bisimoto sounds great thanks 👍🏽
@@mjolnir6215 look up Derek Robinson in the 10th Gen threads. He has the data to back up why the bov is bad. And gives no performance benefit either.
Get a recirculating kit for the BOV you’ll be okay. It’s a acting factor that does exactly what a BPV does
well bless you tenth gen. you must have some allergies today. 😂😂
Lol 😂 😂
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@@Bisimoto it takes time to effect. Plus the problem that us fk6 10th gen owners have is with 2016-18 after the bov is on over 1k miles
Regardless of the results, nice video, I did have a the blowoff valve by the company that starts with B and it wasn’t running too happy and made the better choice of an intake, so this proves quality matters 🤙🏼
Thanks. I actually believe you. Not all BOVs are created the same.
@@Bisimoto exactly.
@@pete_43299 which BOV do you have?
@@Sh4kuRxThuG boomba
What do u think about this car ? I was thinking of buying one
They are spectacular!
I’ve owned a 2020 Si since last July. Lots of fun, plenty of power to get you in trouble but doesn’t seem to draw a lot of attention from police like a type R would. I tell people it’s the most exciting grocery getter you can get into new for under $30k
Big fan Bisi!! ✌️
Well said. Thanks!
To be honest I’ve been curious, I’ve had two act up on my civic sport, boomba & turbosmart, both had scaring on the plug, boomba had deep scars and turbosmart just stop working I live in a dusty environment and figured that’s why ? But started hearing turbo flutters on both after a while, my engine bay is dusty as a mofo, I’ve been wanting to install on my fk8 as well but real nervous
Yup. I had Boomba on my 10th gen and started getting mad turbo lag until I took it off
So it’s bad? I have one too
I believe that.. Not all bovs are created equally
@@leog4109 yeah in my opinion, I wouldn’t, don’t spend 200 something dollars to end up costing you more in the long run.
I deal with data... Not opinions!
Bisi we’d like to see you take a 1.5l to the moon! Like your crazy 1.6 wagon you had done
I have sport hatchback. Would this void warranty?
I can already tell you these bov are not meant to be run on these cars ( source vitviper)
Thanks, for the input. CheeRS.
This has been explained by a profesional tuner expert on this gen, you can't put a BOV because the ECU uses it to aid the wastegate, yet you deleted the comment. It's a great oportunity for you to correct this incomplete or misleading information!
Actually it is incorrect. I work with American Honda directly, and was part of the 10th gen development team. When I saw this misconception, I wanted to put it to the test, and Honda happy gave us a vehicle to test.
By the way, I have not deleted any comments... But UA-cam will due to profanity.
@@Bisimoto I believe that there is something we are all missing here. Not all ECUs/models react equal, and all people related to ECU tuning advise against using BOV's. I wouldn't say it works perfect with all 10th gens.
@@KytosYT Oh, do tell: kindly let nd know which models... And I will repeat the test. So far, we have done the Si and Sport with no ill effects.
@@Bisimoto I can't remember specific ECU numbers, but I believe ECU's that run at open loop at "wot" (Europe for example) behaves worse that other ECU's. Also, info from expert tuners says that the stock BPV is commanded not only after lifting off the throttle bot in other many cases and enviroments. You may want to read a bit on this civicx thread some info about it and maybe clear some things up? www.civicx.com/forum/threads/oh-no-not-another-bov-thread.57978/
Why was Derek’s comments removed though.. seems like a scammy promotional video to me..
I have no idea what you are speaking of. Why do you chaps keep saying that? So low.
@@Bisimoto lol everyone has seen the screenshot of his comment on your video. Stop lying, you can’t handle the truth from someone who actually deals with these cars everyday
@@dakotahall1284 I haven't. Where is the screenshot?
@@myxalplyx it’s on his page
How dare you? I will NEVER stoop to such unscrupulous levels. If anything is ever deleted, it is via UA-cam. That person has a hard time communicating without profanity, and that is not allowed here.
I'm thinking about buying this bov for my 2020 si. Can you explain the difference between the hard and soft settings and what you reccomend? Also what was the stock tune you were running on the tuner? Thank you kindly
Hey because of your video I bought a turbosmart. Great content. Hope to see more 10th gen video
Thanks for the kind words.
that wasn't very smart of you to do.....your fuel trims are going to be way off
@@brokentradgedy
Someone didn’t actually watch/listen...
update?
There’s no better Honda Tuner than BISI. If He says it’s It’s Good, take that to the bank!!! Stop listening to guys on the forums!! Thanks BISI, stay well!!
Lol Bisi doesn’t even tune these cars. 🤣 you want a real tuner to tune your car, talk to Derek Robinson at Innovative Motorworks or VitViper
You obviously have no idea what I do. Happy Halloween.
@@Bisimoto lol you even said it yourself that you don’t tune cars anymore or are you getting dementia?
@@dakotahall1284 BISI is the man! Do they have a video like this proving their point?
@@Cultofpersonality09129 anyone with common knowledge of these vehicles or is an actual tuner recommends against these. This was just a paid advertisement for their bov🤣
I had a Boomba BOV on my 10th gen hatchback.. was getting mad turbo lag. Turbo would have a 2-3 second lag before kicking on fully. BOV and CAI were the only mods I had on my car. Obviously took the BOV off
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Could Honda have updated the ecu's on the 2020 civic's ?
Because the test that where done by others where all on the older 2016-2017 civics.I also have heard from TDI north in the UK that they didn't see any negative results with a turbosmart bov.And they are a very reputable tuning shop.I also heard others say it runs rich after the bov blows off.
On another note why didn't you point out the STFT values and only watched the AFR? You can see the STFT jumping up to -16 ~ -25 right after the bov blows off .
I was told by the manufacturer that the protocol allowed for atmospheric BOVs from inception.
This test was to see if anything changed.
On stock civics, STFTs also adjust due to abrupt closing of the throttle. Thanks.
Would the car need to be tune ? Im also running a PRL cobra cold air intake
My car is not tune
I’ve heard that a Ktuner flash messes with the ECU and Honda can more than likely tell. Could this possibly void the warranty?
If you're gonna tune, just tune. Don't think about warranty. I have a 10 year / 120k warranty and I tuned at 25k. When you bring it in, re-flash back to stock and see what happens. I've heard they can see, can't see... It's a gray area. I've had a great time with my car since tuning. I recommend it!
always find out if the dealer you bought it from is MOD friendly when it comes to warranty otherwise they would have to prove that the said mod caused the malfunction or failure.
So I can put HKS bov on type R and gain 5 hp safely?!
I have not tested that brand.
Scotty Kilmer told me resting my hand on the shift knob is dangerous and I shouldn't do it because it'll ruin my catalytic converter
🙀😆
Not true. But it will ruin your muffler bearings.
What about installing a blow off valve or torque solution spacer on a factory/stock 2019 civic si.. Would it be alright to do this or would the car require upgrades/mods
Any experience with the HKS SSQV BOV on these cars, specifically the type R?
Later on your car will stall out at a light trust me atmosphere blow off valves are bad. We had one on our car with a tune and we had all kinds a problems come to find out we needed a Full recirculation bypass valve. Just a heads up
Really depends on the quality of the BOV.
@@Bisimoto Yeah we had a boomba blow off valve when we couldn't figure it out we took our car to the dealership they figured it out that. that was the problem and when we switched the valves that fixed the problem we just needed the Full recirculation bypass valve. And the car runs great now. Crazy how some valves will mess with you and we even had a tune on the car when all this happen.
Cheers.
@@deerkingsHey! Im curious, did you remove the BOV and it fixed the problem?
@@AnimallPak yes we removed the blow off valve and put the factory one back on and it fixed the problem
does torque solutions plate, hurt engine or it's the same function of the turbosmart bov? anyone can tell to me?
Never tested, that.
I’d love to see you do one with the fk8 type r HKS BOV
Me too. I was considering one for my FK8 but want to know what tuning process if any would need to be done
He said in the end of the vid...the type r would react the same
just use that money and buy yourself a really good cold air intake. You would still get similar sound and performance
Great video bisi your a legend in the honda community..do you tune on ktuner?
Thanks for the kind words. I do!
still gives me the question if Installing a BOV on my 2018 civic si will be okay since this was a 2020 Si
Yes it’s the same engine
It is fine....
@@letd1995 lmao
@@Bisimoto would you recommend running the Boomba BOV on my civic CVT sport
ive heard alot of bad things about boomba so id go with a different option for bov.
Can everyone here just go the route of buying a prl cobra intake and get the sound you want and some actual power gains. All this explanation for a “mod” that does nothing but make noise.
Actually, there are some power gains due to improved sealing. Cheers.
I'm using the Torque Solutions BOF Spacer and I just had my car stall when I was coming to a stop. Why would this happen? Shouldnt the computer be compensating?
Just don't stop . Problem fixed.
I have no data on that device. Contact the manufacturer.
What was the result?
Happened to me as well. I noticed it typically happens after a small pull then sudden braking. The computer typically would compensate for it but in this case it’s getting the wrong data due to venting metered air
Great information and you sound very knowledgeable. If I ever get a tune for my FK7 I'd find you, but you're probably far away lol
Cheers.
He’s in California……if you can get to him, it’s worth it!!
I'd like to know what the long term affects are. Especially considering you say you were part of the development team for this car and Honda lent you the car knowing what you were going to do, yet when consulting with my local dealer and Honda USA they advised against a VTA bov.
Please share the contact you spoke to at American Honda....
@@Bisimoto I honestly couldn't tell you the name of the Honda rep I spoke to over the phone. Not that it would matter the information wouldn't mean anything. I do remember the Honda tech I spoke to at the dealership though. His name is Bill. He informed me of multiple X Gens he's worked on with VTA BOVs that had cat damage and even a couple with ECM failures. The explanation he gave me was that the BOV vents metered air that the bypass valve wouldnt and that causes the AFRs to drop, as low as 7-8 in tuned cars. TL;DR get a CAI, it'll give you the same noise, better gains if choosing the right one, and not damage the car in the long run. The stock bypass valve is more than capable of handling tuned boost pressures on the stock turbo.
@@MONSTERvEN3RGY Honestly, I would rather trust the engineers from Honda, and the data I gathered. Thanks.
@@Bisimoto Of course I would trust my own tests if I had the means to do them, but it is fishy that you would be told one thing by Honda and I would be told something completely different. And since I was told the same things from Honda Corporate and an actual tech that works on these cars every day, I'd much rather trust that info than from somebody basically do an ad for a BOV. Either way I wish you well with the M16 build, its looks pretty sick.
@@MONSTERvEN3RGY preach
Where are you located ? I have a 2017 type r with a HKS BOV and HONDATA that is not yet dyno tuned. I’m willing to volunteer my car for same testing since so many of your viewers including myself want to know and see this same test done on.
I am in Ontario, California.
Avoid like the plague, this guys knows nothing about the 10th gen platform. The misinformation he spreads is detremental to your engine. The manufacturer of the bov he uses in this cash grab of a video has pulled their product for the 10th gens because they found it was harmful to our cars and provided no real benefit.
@@drift_ronin2358 so he was right? Thanks.
@@dialedmedia_ no, he wasn't right, and he draws your attention in the video from the screen that shows the stft. The ecm has no way of knowing that the air that was stupidly vented has not been recirculated as designed. The air goes back into the intake stream after the man sensor, and since the car doesn't have a map based ignition/fuel strategy, the car ends up running rich between shifts and when coming off boost in general.
Get an intake for the cool noise.
Does the HKS mount in a different spot than the Turbosmart? Is there an issue with HKS regarding the myth?
Bisimoto would you get the same results on the bov that is installed near the battery like the HKS SSQV? I ask because you have to reroute some of the vac lines in order to install. I did thus on my 2017 Type R and my car threw an engine code and was backfiring and stumbling so I took it back off. Granted I also have an Injen intake and straight pipe from cat back. It might have just been too much with the other mods included. Interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks!
Unfortunately, I never tested that model.
My CVT is jerking and I’m kind of desperate to find an answer. I got a frontpipe, downpipe, BOV, Injen intake and a tune. I already changed the trans fluid, it fixed the jerking and stalling issue for a month but now its back… Idk what to do I’m thinking of getting rid of it.
first problem: it’s a cvt. get a manual model or an si but expect to upgrade the clutch.
what upgrade should be done to my civic si 2017 coupe because a 80k per hour is asking me to shange gear and my civic si only have 5 gear
Totally depends on your goals and budget.
I have a 2022 civic 1.5 I really want to know if its safe to run a prl hvi with a blow off valve with no tunes. If it is, which bov should i look to?
Thanks for the video!!! Would love to see more of these types of videos!!! Very informative!!! 👍👍👍
Thanks. More to come!
Can you do this with the modern Tacoma engines?
I just bought me the boomba bov before I seen this video. Do you think I should install it or just try to return it and buy a different one?
I would go for the Turbosmart unit.
When are your cams coming out for this engine?!?! 😢
Only if demand dictates.
🤨🤨🤨 interested
Very interesting
@@Bisimoto we demanding! 😂
Question I am thinking about getting a prl cobra intake, turbosmart bov, and a whole MAPerformance stealth exhaust. Will I need to tune my car if I get these items all together??
Bump
For optimization, it would be wise to tune.
Does the tune have to be done by someone or can I just us a ktuner?
Would these mod together turn on any check engine lights without a tune?
How did you set up the bov? I have the same one and I have no clue how to set up the bov spring perfectly
Kindly give the chaps at Turbosmart a call. They can help.
@@Bisimoto Thank you!
Bisi, possible idea for another video. There is a lot of discussion about using oil catch cans on the earth dreams L15B7. Some of the most thorough research I’ve seen seem to indicate that it’s unnecessary, as Honda engineered a pretty effective air/oil separator into the underside of the valve cover.
Also of interest would be the alleged oil dilution issues some of these motors have had. Personally I think these stories are anecdotal, overstated, and the result of bad habits by the owners. Overall just interested in your thoughts.
Unfortunately, I have not explored such, and hence, have no data. Sorry.
There is zero debate with catch cans on effectiveness. They work and will help keep your engine cleaner. Once you see what the catch can collects you'll understand why. My PCV can definitely makes a difference, the CCV can stays pretty much nine dry but regardless for the Si I highly recommend the single PCV can. It's only going to help the motor stay cleaner, longer.
@@thinkforyourself5672
Actual research since this post indicates the presence of the catch can is what causes oil to end up in the catch can. No problem if you have it, no problem if you don’t - the air/oil separator is already built in. If you’re inclined to spend that money though, go right ahead.
I have a question , why does the whole engine move after they let off the gas?
Mike is correct!
Will I need to change anything on my hondata tuner.
Hi !! The bowoff valve is the same for The type r and civic si.
What adjustment was needed on the Turbosmart bov? Harder or softer to keep the idle stable? Did it work fine at the softest level with factory boost levels or did you have to adjust?
During the test we had it at the factory setting which is one full rotation clockwise from the softest setting. So technically in between but closer to soft.
I just got a 2022 civic si. How do I link up with you to get it tuned.
Plan is get my clutch done and bring my 10th gen Si to you to get a custom tune... hope that'll be soon!
I look forward to exceeding your expectations. CheeRS
Would you be able to run the boombaa bov to demonstrate the effects on the car?
The car is now back at American Honda.
Hey I was wondering if this would work on a 2017 Honda Civic coupe with the 1.5 t?
It does.
@@Bisimoto thank you!
Stay safe!
hi Bisi i know you are doing big project cars now but would i be able to take my ep3 K24 swap to get tuned by you? or its only special projects?
Greetings. I no longer offer tuning services.
Dam epa @@Bisimoto
I plan on getting a 2021 sport hatch cvt. I don’t want to void the warranty, do you think they would give me crap for a HKS BoV and maybe a DC Sports Strutbar?
Totally up to the dealership
@@Bisimoto I’m afraid to ask when I buy it, they might get the idea that I’m gonna rag on the car.
But I plan on keeping it for a decade or more if I can dodge oil dilution, so I will not be smashing the whip like a younger me did to my Volvo that’s now all beat up.
Where can i order that blow off valve?
We sell it!
Excellent details, and amazing break down of it.. can you please do the same with a touring model cvt transmission??
is it safe to run a maperformance bov block off plate? does this eliminate any blow off/recirculating valves?
All that does is make it run like it didn’t have a blow off valve so it will wear the turbo faster nothing else really
What about cvt.
Are bov’s bad on cvt transmissions or is that a myth as well?
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It should be safer compared to a manual since your car isn’t venting as much. Only when letting off after a pull
Can you make a video fitting and testing the HKS sqv, i would like to see the results of it on dyno.
I would as well, ordered one back in 2017 when I first got my hatch and was told to take it off so I did lol. Gonna look into this turbosmart bov for sure.
The only thing I don't like with turbosmart is that you have to manually adjust the spring, and you are never sure if the settings are right.
Was it a custom tune or a preset tune
Thanks for the informative video.👌🏾
Can you please get a 10th gen civic si and do your Bisi magic lol. Would be nice to see how you like the platform and if you think anything could be improved.
I'm already looking forward to the 11th gen! 😱
I have torque solutions bov and i installed in my 2017 Honda civic hatchback sport i have the racechip tune setup on 7+ highest setting and adds to 48+ horsepower by the chip and installed injen intake and im at 245. I want to see the actual gains and I'm in California near Ontario CA.
We can get you on the dyno for a baseline test.
Did you have any problems with the torque solution bov ?
@@dvidz6238 I believe not but I'm not sure if did anything but the bov makes my car sound better with the blow off sound. And recently have the hks legamax premium exhaust in my civic. 6hp from that install.
I’ve had a bov on my 11 gen for over a year. No issues
The civic you had for experiment showed quite a bit of power in stock trim. 217pound feet of torque is alot more than advertised. I haven't had my denied yet, but I would be greatly disappointed if it didn't come close to that.
Honda lied about the actual power of the Si. It's has more power than advertised.
@@briansnipergx8012 in all honesty, other manufacturers are doing the same as well.
So why can't honda advertise 230ish hp and lie about the output. No matter what, honda is still way underpowered.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a honda guy myself and really liked my 10th gen SI. But even after a few mods and a tune, it still just wasn't there.
@@vah-mingmoua9599 its a civic, its not a racecar lol, what kind of power are you looking for????
@@AudiuX I know it's a civic. I'm just saying honda could have giving it a bit more power for the good old honda fans just to not feel so...left out when compared to the market.
I really liked my 10th gen SI, but as always, it was just quite not there.
It's this dyno that's reading high. It's not spinning the wheels of the car nor is there any tire friction. Missing 40lbs of rotational mass will definitely print out higher numbers.
Had a spacer plate and an HKS BOV both through codes on my car you can NOT run a BOV on the 10thgen civic. My car throwing codes BECAUSE OF THE BOV is all the data I need. Once I put the BPV on, all problems went away. So I’ll say this again YOU CANNOT RUN A BOV !!!!! On a 10thgen civic. Now repeat that so you understand that you cannot run a BOV on a 10thgencivic.
The advice experiment must be an illusion. Since the video, we have installed numerous Turbosmart BOV units on 10th gens without qualms. I cannot speak to your installation, however.
Bisi is the mannnnnnnn
Thanks for the kind words.
Thank you for this video
For the 10th gen Civic Si/Type R, would you recommend the HKS BOV or what BOV would you recommend?
I love the Turbosmart units.
What about turboxs it's a hybrid, your still partially using the recirculating system compared to the turbosmart which is a fully atmospheric release. So using the hybrid going off your info it should make the map sensor reading happy for the car more than atmospheric release?
I did not see any negative results with the turbosmart unit. Cheers.
I'm still debating wether I should get a bov, after watching this video I'm finally reconsidering, but the tuners from phearable said that it ruins your fuel trims which idk of thats true or not
MAF is looking at the amount of air that's going to be pulled into the engine. These cars are built with recirculating bypass valves. If you put a BoV on and you're losing air AFTER the sensor has seen what was supposed to be there you are going to run rich fuel period. Most damage is going to be to the exhaust system including the Catalytic converter.
Is it going to be instant damage, of course not, but overtime yes. If you want to hear the turbo spool and get that pshhh noise you're better of lf installing a CAI, I did, and you can get people to turn their heads when you drive past them on the street. With a CAI you'll get the noise, some power gain, better fuel mileage.
Kalani, luckily for us, Honda uses a metering protocol that incorporates both MAF and MAP, and compensates accordingly. Please stop perpetuating misinformation. Thanks.
@@ToyoSpeedDemon thanks, this thread helped alot, I dont get why he didnt show the fuel trims if that is what the myth is all centered about, I might get the torque solutions just for temporary fun but I dont plan on keeping one anymore
Actually, I did share fuel trims, and mimicked the response with and without the BOV.
This video reeks of advertisement for Turbosmart. BoV are BAD for 10th gen civics. In other comments I see others ask about other BoVs and you just respond on how great Turbosmart is, BoVs are the same just how they are built or materials can be different, but they all do the same thing Vent To Air.
If you really want to put this "myth" to rest why not reach out to DRob and do a debate video and post that, I'm sure he would have some kind of interest seeing how he originally responded to this "commercial"
Just got a 2018 1.5T Honda Civic. Do you think the same results will show on that type? Engine is the same i guess 2018-2020? :)
yes