New v Old Civic Type R: ULTIMATE Showdown!
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2023
- The Honda Civic Type R is one of the most popular & recognisable hot hatches in the world! And following the release of the new FL5, we need to find out whether the latest generation is an improvement on the previous edition.
Well, let’s look at what’s changed. When it comes to the design, the FK8 had a reputation for being a bit outlandish, with a huge rear wing as well as an over-the-top front and rear end. In contrast, the FL5 has a much more simple, refined look. Sure it comes with a rear wing, but overall the car looks more sophisticated than before.
It’s a similar story on the inside, with a more simple & traditional interior to be found in the FL5. It also comes with super comfy sports seats, and the digital dials display is definitely an improvement on the old edition. However, we would say that the placement of some elements, such as the infotainment system, is definitely better in the FK8.
When it comes to performance, both cars come with the same 2-litre 4-cylinder engine. However, whereas the old edition produced 320hp and 400Nm, the new edition pumps out a slightly improved 329hp and 420Nm!
It all sounds like the FL5 is a slam-dunk success, right? Well, you have to keep in mind that it starts from an eye-watering £47,000 - £12,000 more than the FK8! So is it worth it? You’ll need to stick with Mat and see for yourself!
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New vs old... Which is better? VOTE BELOW!
VOTE: New Type R!
VOTE: Old Type R!
New one
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Modern V6 F1 car Vs Rimac Nevera will be cool
Bring some 1600 HP GTR too
@@carwow review the NEW WRX
Idk ill go for the old one p.s same for the accord
My dad was one of the quality engineers on the team that designed the seats in both cars (they are basically identical underneath the upholstery) and he is almost (i stress almost) solely responsible for the way they feel to sit in. He died in early 2020 so he isn't around to hear how much people love his work. So thanks Matt for the compliment. Also, if there are any engineers out there with a first edition iso 9000 standards book. Go look in the contributers section for a dude called Williams. Same dude.
Also fun fact: the seats in the type r are cheaper to make than the seats in the next model down.
Rip my friend, my condolences to you and your family
@@spinkygr it was is own fault. he got covid, didn't know it and then wouldn't go to the doctor. "it's just a chest infection" he said. 5 days in he went to walk up the stairs in his house, got 3 or 4 up and passed out, fell backwards and snapped his neck in the fall. if the stubborn bastard has listened to us and gone to the doc he would probably still be here. Such is life.
@@M3PH11 sad to read this, my condolescences. But cheers To your dad, he is behind such a good design, remembered by many car lovers like me.
@@julencin2000 best part is, if was here he wouldn't want to take the credit. That was his other greatest quality. Humble to a fault.
@@M3PH11 very sad to read it.. i hope you will be alright, please take care
I love the previous generation design. Simply one of the best looking hatchbacks ever
It’s not my favourite hatch but I have to give credit it looks incredible and super sporty. Very nice design for sure.
Tell me you need a donation for lasik without telling me you need money for eye surgery....
@@wayward03 Your comment makes you looks like you are a kid other then a grown fat man
@@wayward03 haha agree to disagree mate. The civic x type r is one of those hatchbacks that when it is parked on the road everyone stops by to look at it. It looks fast even when it is standing still. Civic x and Mazda 3, best looking hatchbacks in my opinion
@@grandtheftgameryt it has everything a car guy wants and needs in a car
I always liked the big spoilers and aggressive look, hot hatches are meant to look a bit out there, like you would see in the car mags in the 90's.
Spoilers are laughable.
Idk about ek9 I feel like the 11th gen is a modernized version lol
Compared to all the drag race videos you upload, this was a welcome change back to a proper car review, and I have to say, you are incredibly good at it. This is one of the best car reviews I have _ever_ seen!
People always start loving the old design once they see the new one
That's pretty much the cycle until a year or two. Same goes for the same mfs that started liking the fish GT86 over the GR86 for some reason
the old one looks like a hotwheels car
Both good but dont have money for either
Not me. Old one still looks like crap
Nope. New one looks much better and less mindlessly ridiculous
I like the older one idk, I've always liked the design of it, even have a hotwheels version in the same spec as in the vid
imagine liking fake vents over functional ones
@@gigachad6162 1995 Civic 3 Door says hi.
@@gigachad6162 its an opinion, you may like the new one but i have always loved the old one, and btw i don't care about fake vents
@@purwantiallan5089 Just as bad as that
@@gigachad6162 Theres loads of functional vents too, plenty other cars use fake vents and trims.
This channel is never boring.
There are always new exciting videos.
I'm so glad the new one doesn't make my eyes bleed when I look at it.
Mostly people love aggressive design, hence the old one is getting more love in the comments. But I prefer the more streamline design of the new one it looks more smooth like most modern cars.
Agreed. Spoon cars are equally aggressive as 2023 Civic Type R.
I like agressive design, but I hate how many fake features it has so I preffer the new one
The new one really feels like a spiritual successor to the integra dc5 lol
@@calumwhite7760 DC5 owner here. Please, don't compare the DC5 with that Kia rip-off. The DC5 design is miles better.
Yeah the new nearly looks as booring as most modern car.sorry but soon, every car looks the same.. Just booring
In person, the older one looks so much better and aggressive.
Spoon Civic Type R also. Despite only 250bhp max
You trippin the old type r ugly as fuck with that ugly ass rear fake vents a lot of fake vents. The new type r is cleaned up and looks so much cleaner. You got some weird taste
Maybe for boy racers I always prefer the old simplistic looks of type r I don’t wanna my civic to look like a kid took it to los santos customs and went crazy on it
@@Red-ev8ls I think you got your cars switched that’s exactly what the fk8 is a los santos custom shit box
@@Red-ev8ls yeah but it looks FREAKING SICK! like stands out like a supercar on a road almost 🔥 It actually looks awesome ngl
I don't know much about cars but I do enjoy watching and learning about it cheers mate
I had just been wondering why I hadn't received any notifications from your channel and this pops up on my feed 😊
Top review Mat. Great to see how your opinions have become more nuanced and informative over the years. Agree with you here for sure. The price diff isn't justified.
Never had an issue with the FK8 design, still think it looks great but that FL5 really does look like a step up. Exterior and interior. Would love to take either one on a twisty bit of road
FK8 has to be one of the most overstyled cars in history. Looks like it was designed by a 14 year old after watching fast and furious
@TriMarko
As a former 14 yr old, i disagree with your comment. Looks like a 14 yr old on crack and heroin who just watched fast and furious designed it
If by step-up you mean it looks like a Kia shell with a BMW interior... sure. Boring works for some people I guess.
Looks more sophisticated like German cars. The FK8 looked in the Fast and Furious tuner years in early 2000's
@@Incendia FK8 Type-R was definitely the Truest of the Type-R🔥🔥
Love the Belgian Malinois reference. Accurate description and I love them
I have the FK8 in America and we have the cup holders in the backseat, weird they weren’t included in the Euro spec model. Also, Ive had the car for a coup of years and I still love this car. Boy racer… for sure… but I honestly like that it stands out from everything else. Currently working on replacing the fake CF trim with real CF. Both are great cars, but I can’t justify the price of the FL5.
In Europe we have diff things in FK7 and FK8 ... I think in continental Europe were cupholders. Euro spec model was also much stronger some functions extra.
Also I know that steering wheel in FK7 was different, depends when you buy the car. Some cars has touch volume buttons and some has only up and down :D ... I also asked Honda why.. They didn't know.
As soon as Carwow uploads it makes my day .
Perfect if they change the countdown voice, worst British accent ever!
@@alstound @rse
@@alstound agree. 😂
Translation: As soon as carwow uploads, I blow my load
I just can't wait till I get mine. I have to wait until 2025 !!!!! For my Fl5 ...
I got videos in the mean while lol. Good job mate.
I have an fk8, and I love it. I thought about trading it in for an acura type s but I'm really not sure until it comes out. Love the video, man!
We upgraded the fronts on our FK8 to Michelin ps4's and the improvement in grip was huge so I'm not surprised you managed to launch the Fl5 a bit better.
Gear ratio and turbo is also changed.
I love the " Type R " configuration 🇯🇵🔥
And also has double the amount of bhp than the 2010s Civic.
After years of driving, fixing and racing cars, the only kind of car I drive is a Honda Civic. That says alot. I've been in so many cars, but Honda's, especially the Civic, are it for me. Great video.
Was behind the new one yesterday. It's enormous!!
I love the previous generation design. The fact that it's overdesigned and overly agressive and race-y just makes it feel like a true Type R to me.
Edit: I started a war with this comment, proceed with caution.
Me 2. You’re meant to know it’s type R without seeing the badge
Type Rs have always been simple. Ep3, ek9 etc.
Same here I love the previous gen design ... And the current one too .... They both have their own individual personality and that's completely ok
@@harrisr1018 fk2 was agressive...
a true type R? bro look at the generations before and tell me how the fuck the Fk8 looked like a true one. it looked like a kids car 💀
The perfect R for me would be the FL5 with a sprinkling of the FK8’s crazy styling. FL5 has the nicer cabin, better user interface, without sacrificing much user ability, but looks way too plain for my liking. By the way, I heard and read the FL5 will be built in smaller numbers, which explains the price.
so the FK2 is the answer :))
You want fk8 sprinkling? Put some cheesy red pin stripes on your rims and fake vents everywhere you poser.
@@Car3stash No not the pregnant civic type r I am sorry 🤣
FK8 is so much more Streamlined, aerodynamic and Race orientated looking 🏁
Finally someone I agree with. Wish they would of kept the 10th gens crazy boy racer style and upgraded the other things .
Good to see actual journalism again!
Yes, we definitely need to see a track battle between the FL5 and the FK8
One thing to remember is fk8 has 245s and fl5 has 265s as tires. I know that makes a difference for sure. I wonder what the results would be if they were both on similar sizes
The reason why i went from my FK8 to the Civic E HEV, yes the FL5 is better ( Especially the interior ) but not £13000 better, ridiculous increase. Very impressed with the E HEV, good performance, comfortable, good handling and steering. The Advance model, which i am buying is nicely equipped. Not forgetting between 55-60 mpg.
I mean that new civic is definitely one of the best cars that have come out in the past year imo. And it isn't alot slower to 100kph than the type r aswell, every reviewer seems to do around 6.8 to 7 secs which is not bad at all
@@championxxlNL Exactly, at carwow they did a 0-60 in 6.7.
@@greymark420 that is just MENTAL for a normal civic, I have the MK10 Civic 1.0L VTEC Turbo which is a great car, also handles really well & drives snappy with the turbocharged 1.0 engine producing probably the most hp you can get out of a 1.0 with good economic numbers. And it also looks great ngl, especially in night time the Red shines so well, almost makes it look like the FK8 type r as I have gotten the praises for it before 😅🤣🔥
@@theweeknd2725 Yes it's a crazy price increase. The E HEV that i am buying will be my sixth Civic. Civics have always been reliable and sporty to drive, looking forward to the Hybrid.
Excellent video Mat!
Matt is second to none in terms of test driving cars; his thorough, articulate turn by turn commentary on the driving experience of each car made me feel like I was actually driving them rather than watching a review. No other car reviewer does that for me; kudos!
Awesome comparison of the 2 Type Rs, but I noticed that the drag times of these performance cars tend to tapper off when compared to their newer models during a test, where usually when they're new, the times are more impressive. Is it due to ageing of the engines or the choice of tyres?
Official 0-60 times will never be matched in the real world. The journalists and manufacturers abuse the hell out of the cars to get the lowest times and often do stuff like removing the 1ft rollout from the time. All i can say is that in the 15k miles ive had my FK8 i havent noticed any performance degredation (in fact, it hooks up even better now that i ditched the shit contis for Pilot AS4s). The FL5 also has a slightly longer final drive ratio than the FK8 which means it can hit ~62mph in 2nd whereas the FK8 only hits 58 and needs a 2-3 shift to do a 0-60.
It's called carbon buildup and lack of maintenance. 99% of people don't know how, and don't ever do it. Then they sell it, and the next guy thinks that's how it's supposed to be... and then it blows up.
I love both, but I absolutely am delighted over the refined look of the FL5. The FL5 is more like the times of the EG chassis, its as if they modernized that, and I like the throwback feel of that because the EG looked very very good, and still looks good if you see it today. The FK8 is very cool, but its cool to see, not to live with, its the reason I dont have one. FL5 is such a nice looking vehicle that I cant wait for the ridiculous mark up to die out and then the lack of sales to make it dip even more, then Ill be ready..
Ready for what?
Facts EG design was the best
@@purwantiallan5089 To buy one....
Oh, and also, I would leave the crazier design space for Mugen to utilize, thats what they are suppesed to be about
I'm afraid it will never be much cheaper than this mate, these kind of cars are always expensive, no matter how much time has passed smh
I just bought an EP3 Type R and I love it!! Would love to see the new Type R vs the EP3 round a track maybe?
Really enjoy all your content Matt! Thanks for another interesting / fun video. At the end of the day, Honda is the real winner, as you said, they are really only competing with themselves. Also, well played Honda - the folks saying they enjoy the FL5 for it's "grown-up" looks, are ready to make the switch to an Acura. The future TypeS will be one to keep your eyes on.
Hi mat, for the first time i couldn't agree more on the exhaust system, I prefer the New one, it feels like a little more sporty or ... 🤔😁
I prefer 2023 one. Its just way better and has double the amount of bhp from the 2010 Civic.
You mean you couldn’t agree less?
Um Matt preferred the older one....
@@reaver69 🤦♂️
@@J-oDean458 I'm so confused. Are you mentally ill?
The previous generation looks savage and unique, whereas the new one is more car ish and simple looking. It took me a while to get used to the looks of the FK8 though! Both are super fun to drive and reliable boy racers for reasonable money.
50 grand is not reasonable, It's absolutely outrageous. It should be 30 at the most.
What's a 'boy racer'?
@@davidoconnor3201 nah fr who is paying 50k for a regular degular looking civic with a spoiler on it
The review I was waiting for
Love to see a drag race between the two. Saw another video n the fk8 , even with less hp kept winning .
You should compare the FK2 with the FL5, too. Like the 1st VTEC Turbo vs the last VTEC Turbo. 😬
I would absolutely buy the new one if they made a couple. Love the videos watching from the U.S
Those FL5 seats indeed are truly fabulous
I've got a late 2019 FK8 and love it. Have been thinking about the new one since it came out but the price hike and increased road tax cost as it's over £40k will probably make me keep what I have or look at other options in the used market. They actually just increased the new car from £47k to £50k as well.
I test drove one these before I got the bmw m140i problem with type r is their slow and the manual gearbox, handling wise tho very good.
Mat
We need a drag race of the type r fl5,fk8,fk2
Muito bom, conteúdo de primeira qualidade.🇧🇷
Brasil
Cant wait for the roll race!
Between the FK8 gen and the FL5 gen Honda Civic Type R, the one I would use everyday is the FL5 gen Civic Type R, because it's the best Honda Civic Type R ever made!!!🤩
What a comparison carwow! Have to say the New Civic Type-R is awesome but that is a lot of money in difference compared to its previous generation.
What about comparison between Ford Focus 2022 and Toyota RSC?
@@purwantiallan5089 Ofc the RCS slayy
@@purwantiallan5089 what's an Rsc?
But at least it's not as nasty
5.62 was the best time an fk8 got on a previous video from Carwow!
New one is a massive improvement. No overengineering or faking anything. Every vent is real and the body looks much more put together.
Unlike the old one, Honda really went all out with their engineers to REALLY make sure the new one was going to blow track records out of the water, which is why it's now #1 on the Nürburgring FWD times.
Overall, the new one is just the better car. Upgraded and practical parts and it's actually something I would buy over the other.
Such good cars. Would love to experience one of these and if had the chance definitely buy one and use it as a daily. Strong, reliable, 5 seater and spacious. Talk about a perfect car.
Matt please do a FK2 VS FK8 VS FL5
Drag, roll, track.. All same tyres. Stock VS stock.... With DECENT MANUAL DRIVERS.
This 🔥
... And not in the rain. Lol
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I love the way the previous GEN type I looked except the rear, the new type R doesn't look bad, but I think it's a little under styled and looks basic in some angles
Also a comparison with fk2+fk8 and fl5 would be great to see
Bravoooooo. Great analisy. Great video
@OfficialMatwatson01 hello Matt and team
1 LOVE THE LOOK OF THE PREVIOUS MODEL TYPE R!!! It looks waaaay more intentional and dramatic than the car that replaced it.
If I'm not mistaken I believe the fl5 has different gearing than the fk8. So it might be hitting 60 at the top of second where the fk8 needs 3rd gear. clever way to make a car seem faster than its predecessor.
You’re correct.
But the FL5 is using similar gearing to the FK2, yet is much better at delivering the power.
I believe there’s more to it😂
@@CJax749 oh I know there is more to it. Just an observation from watching the video. No research on my part was done before making my comment.
regarding the handling/tyres/differences between the two gens: i switched from the OEM contis on my fk8 to the PS4Ss and it's basically as you're - Matt - is describing: i basically prefer the contis. so much more precise but the PS4Ss do feel more playful.
Just got the FL5 Sonic Gray. It's gorgeous and a blast to drive! Ran into a few FK8 homies and they only had good things to say about the design change.
The upcoming Acura Integra Type S will be an excellent alternative. Same powertrain but a little more luxurious, and likely a smaller dealer mark-up.
Wish we could get these RHD in the UK
Honda HQ in Japan tore the dealerships in the US a new butthole for the absurd dealer mark-ups on the Type R and I guess a lot of dealerships won't be getting anymore special edition anything for a while.
Imagine living in a country which has "dealer mark-ups" and calls Hondas "Acuras"...
@@imkirbo3094 All countries have dealer markups at times.
@@morgancunningham8819 Integra Type R 1995 and Honda Civic 3Door 1995 also best alternatives.
I must be the only person in the world that loves the FK8 design 😅
As an FK8 owner I disagree😂
Prefer the FK8 over the FL5.
Just sold my fk8 yesterday it was gorgeous and I miss it already
Watching this sat in my 2021 Type R GT in bright red.
It’s amazing how both cars seem to be so similar in hardware yet feel so different.
I’m still not exactly sure what I think about the looks of the FK8 even after all these years. Fake vents don’t do it for me and it’s probably too OTT and too aggressive for my liking yet in certain colours it looks sort of awesome. Each to his or her own I guess. I am or at least used to be a die-hard Honda fan. Owned an original NSX, Accord Type R, DC2. The only thing that stopped me from getting the FK8 was the turbocharged engine. Effective, sure. And obviously an amazing car in most other respects, at least the ones which matter to a petrolhead. But I still think they went in the wrong direction with the engine. A proper Type R engine with a stratospherically high-revving NA engine and a an electric motor with a small LI-ION battery would have been both a better choice and a purer one, preserving what made Type Rs unique in the hot hatch world. The hybrid unit in the CRZ wasn’t all that heavy or expensive and I’d have taken the small weight penalty over adding a turbo. I just think Honda make some really weird decisions sometimes. Same with the ‘new’ NSX. That car lost so much by going turbocharged when they could have achieved similar results with a NA engine and slightly more powerful electric motors. These things should have been locked-in at the conception stage as absolute non-negotiables and, given that Honda was a pioneer with the whole hybrid thing with the original Insight, it would have doubly made sense!
As it stands, if I wanted a 4 seat car which could - at least at a push - do family duty, I’d go for an Japanese FD2 over any of the turbocharged Civics, regardless of them offering more shock and even if they are better in many ways.
Raise your hand if you've been watching Carwow for a long time🤚
Bro why carwow built like that
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Love your videos so much but when are u going to review the Toyota land Cruiser & land Cruiser sport 2022
Good luck with the track matt haha throttle house found out the new one is slower in a roll
Absolutely love the new design. Very simplistic just how the original ek9 was.
I like the newer type r..I’m not a flashy car kind of guy..the newer one allows for some good exterior upgrades
I looove how that new one looks
Great video Matt. Much prefer the FK8, in every respect.
The new design of this Civic is too common for me, but the spirit of the samurai is still here.
The 2023 Civic Type R looked like J-Coupe from Burnout Dominator too.
I like the new one better in and out. I love the retro dash. Taken straight out the 70s
Or Skyline 1971 vibes actually.
@@purwantiallan5089 one of the early Z cars
As soon as I get a ad that I can’t skip 👋🏻
Hi Carwow, ive noticed you dont have any videos on a Porsche carrera and carrera S besides the launch video, all the other videos are of the turbo s, it would be nice to see some comparison with other models.
The new Civic R is very simple yet looks really amazing.. a lot better than the previous generation.. the latest gen is one of my fav cars.. I was just hoping that it would have come with AWD drive system then it could have smashed all the cars in the segment.. just like a Lancer evo
It also has 100+ bhp more than all Lancer Evos.
In my opinion, the 2005 Honda NSX Type R is the greatest Japanese car... *Jeremy Clarkson pause*... ever.
‘in the world’
That rear valence on the FL5 look knackered.
FL5 tires are 265mm vs FK8 245mm. Interesting that you like the FK8 handling better. Maybe too much rear grip now is a little more understeery. Maybe they had to lighten the steering to handle the extra contact patch.
Sorry, got a disagree with Matt ,This isn’t even my type of car, but I prefer the old car with the aggressive styling.
What I’ve learned from driving these hard is that it only takes one mountain turn and some sand on the the ground to make you go flying off that mountain. Otherwise fantastic machine, drive safe everyone!
The differential will send power to the wheel with the more grip. If both wheels have no grip it will send you off the road.
So the moral of the story is don’t race around mountain turns because you’re high up?!
Would be interesting to see a track battle with 1/4 mile and laps . Both have pros and cons . All personal preference which one is better. Allegedly fk8 is still faster but they have refined it a bit in Fl5 and looks more grown up more like a saloon with a wing bolted on.
I LOVE the design of the 10th gen. That’s why I decided it to be my first car. The regular civic, not the Type R. And everyone of my family and friends loves the 10th gen design as well.
I like the interior of the new one though.
I agree i get compliments often on my sedan although i do like the rear end of the this hatch
Yup, I have a 10th Gen Sport Touring, I get so many compliments on it. Imo it’s the best looking Civic ever made.
The past generation seems more athletic and it is not worth paying this difference in the new generation.😶😶
265 front tyres! I was pushing similar power and torque levels in my Mazdaspeed 3 MPS and that came with 215 tyres!
Get my new red one at Friday ❤
Excited 😅
I like the older one, But I liked the one before that even more
Yeah, the fk2 was the last "small" Civic.
Me too 👍
2023 Civic just far better imo.
@@FK2VtecTurbo Spoon Civic and Spoon FIT are also better.
I truly think the older one looks better. It’s stands out as a type R better. Yes it’s aggressive, yes it’s rice-y, but that’s what’s you’re going for with a type R. At least in my opinion.
Red carpets remind me of my DC5! 😍
I had the same PS4s tyres as the new type r fitted to my m2.
I had them removed after a few months I thought they had really vague steering feel and didn’t feel composed in high speed corners.
New ones so much better looking than the old one!
I'd have neither, save myself 20k and get an fk-2
I'd go for the FK8 at least, as someone who has owned both (and has an FL5 on order) the FK8 is a massive upgrade.
The fk2 is the value buy but the FK8 is just better in every way.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 that's what's I've read. I've also read the ride in the fk-2 is awful. I love the fk-2 looks though!
@@Matt-go7ss yeah, the fk2 does look nice and you're correct, the biggest issue with the fk2 is ride quality.
Drive both, see if the price difference is worth it - like I said, the fk2 is abit of a bargain still.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 thanks for your advice 👍
@@alsayedfakhri4597
Sound like you’re the same as me mate😂 the fk8 is a big jump over fk2 and I’m expecting the FL5 to be a big improvement over my pre-facelift fk8
I’ve always loved the look of the fk8! But I did phone to put an order in for the Fl5, but unfortunately being informed by several uk Honda dealerships that each one of them was only allowed a maximum of two vehicles a year! And I was also informed that there was a six to twelve month wait! And even though I love grey, I was told that I had to pick two different colours, as the dealership could commit to which colour would eventually arrive!!!! 🤦♂️😢 So my choice was decided! I bought from a Honda dealer the last of the line FK8, in the colour I wanted (grey) one previous owner car with only 7,859 miles on the clock. And the dealership I bought it from originally supplied the car brand new!!! Well chuffed! 👍👍😃😃😃😃
I love the inteior of the old FK8 and exterior of the new FL5
I mean, the price is a total piss take.
Hot take: The old Civic looks better to me
That’s not much of a hot take, most people too like the old design more
I have the FK8 but I want to upgrade to the FL5. Love the look way way better.
the older one is definitely one of the bizarre designs ever.. simply loving it! Will be buying one this year
FL5 better, might got too boring but it’s have better upgrades, FL5 stands out better especially the headlights at night
Mat was saying the FL5 is less boring. The complaints were that it's less of a serious sports car (for me, being a serious sports car was the FK8's biggest flaw, that's what Porsches are for) but mainly that the FL5 is £47k. Since I mentioned Porsches, you can get a brand new 718 for £47k.
The problem with the FL5 is simple. The FK8 has a niche - if you can only own one car, need to carry a family but do a lot of track days, there's nothing better. The FL5 doesn't have a niche, since it's worse at all that than the FK8 so the only reason you'd buy an FL5 over a used FK8 are looks and fun. Well, buy an i30N or 308 GTi then, they're both 100000x more fun and both look better. Then there's the elephant nobody seems to be mentioning- the FK8 took the FK2 and made it more serious. The FL5 is taking the FK8 and making it less serious again...so if you want a less serious FK8, spend £15k on an FK2! Then you've got £30k to buy a used Porsche...like mine that happens to be for sale soon 😂
The Honda niche was always being better on track, which I'm sure it still is, but if the FK8 is better...why exactly would anyone ever buy an FL5? I don't dislike it, it's just that for any possible scenario I can think of, another car is a better choice. Leaves me with 1 conclusion - the FL5 is only good if you want a Honda collection.