New v Old Civic Type R: ULTIMATE Showdown!

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  • Опубліковано 24 гру 2024

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  • @carwow
    @carwow  Рік тому +436

    New vs old... Which is better? VOTE BELOW!

    • @carwow
      @carwow  Рік тому +795

      VOTE: New Type R!

    • @carwow
      @carwow  Рік тому +1280

      VOTE: Old Type R!

    • @Smzxe
      @Smzxe Рік тому +24

      New one
      Rimac Nevera Vs V10 F1 Vs 22 Moto GP Vs Kawasaki H2R
      Modern V6 F1 car Vs Rimac Nevera will be cool
      Bring some 1600 HP GTR too

    • @squintus8140
      @squintus8140 Рік тому +10

      @@carwow review the NEW WRX

    • @M.A.Q..
      @M.A.Q.. Рік тому +13

      Idk ill go for the old one p.s same for the accord

  • @M3PH11
    @M3PH11 Рік тому +2007

    My dad was one of the quality engineers on the team that designed the seats in both cars (they are basically identical underneath the upholstery) and he is almost (i stress almost) solely responsible for the way they feel to sit in. He died in early 2020 so he isn't around to hear how much people love his work. So thanks Matt for the compliment. Also, if there are any engineers out there with a first edition iso 9000 standards book. Go look in the contributers section for a dude called Williams. Same dude.
    Also fun fact: the seats in the type r are cheaper to make than the seats in the next model down.

    • @spinkygr
      @spinkygr Рік тому +133

      Rip my friend, my condolences to you and your family

    • @M3PH11
      @M3PH11 Рік тому +226

      @@spinkygr it was is own fault. he got covid, didn't know it and then wouldn't go to the doctor. "it's just a chest infection" he said. 5 days in he went to walk up the stairs in his house, got 3 or 4 up and passed out, fell backwards and snapped his neck in the fall. if the stubborn bastard has listened to us and gone to the doc he would probably still be here. Such is life.

    • @julencin2000
      @julencin2000 Рік тому +62

      @@M3PH11 sad to read this, my condolescences. But cheers To your dad, he is behind such a good design, remembered by many car lovers like me.

    • @M3PH11
      @M3PH11 Рік тому +82

      @@julencin2000 best part is, if was here he wouldn't want to take the credit. That was his other greatest quality. Humble to a fault.

    • @DrDrops420
      @DrDrops420 Рік тому +21

      @@M3PH11 very sad to read it.. i hope you will be alright, please take care

  • @muhammadosama127
    @muhammadosama127 Рік тому +291

    I love the previous generation design. Simply one of the best looking hatchbacks ever

    • @grandtheftgameryt
      @grandtheftgameryt Рік тому +7

      It’s not my favourite hatch but I have to give credit it looks incredible and super sporty. Very nice design for sure.

    • @wayward03
      @wayward03 Рік тому +6

      Tell me you need a donation for lasik without telling me you need money for eye surgery....

    • @RCM701
      @RCM701 Рік тому

      @@wayward03 Your comment makes you looks like you are a kid other then a grown fat man

    • @muhammadosama127
      @muhammadosama127 Рік тому +11

      @@wayward03 haha agree to disagree mate. The civic x type r is one of those hatchbacks that when it is parked on the road everyone stops by to look at it. It looks fast even when it is standing still. Civic x and Mazda 3, best looking hatchbacks in my opinion

    • @muhammadosama127
      @muhammadosama127 Рік тому +2

      @@grandtheftgameryt it has everything a car guy wants and needs in a car

  • @kissgergo5202
    @kissgergo5202 Рік тому +1292

    I love the previous generation design. The fact that it's overdesigned and overly agressive and race-y just makes it feel like a true Type R to me.
    Edit: I started a war with this comment, proceed with caution.

    • @darrensmall1133
      @darrensmall1133 Рік тому +85

      Me 2. You’re meant to know it’s type R without seeing the badge

    • @harrisr1018
      @harrisr1018 Рік тому +110

      Type Rs have always been simple. Ep3, ek9 etc.

    • @idrisahmed2659
      @idrisahmed2659 Рік тому +29

      Same here I love the previous gen design ... And the current one too .... They both have their own individual personality and that's completely ok

    • @mariajustina7866
      @mariajustina7866 Рік тому +10

      @@harrisr1018 fk2 was agressive...

    • @hamdanali2036
      @hamdanali2036 Рік тому +80

      a true type R? bro look at the generations before and tell me how the fuck the Fk8 looked like a true one. it looked like a kids car 💀

  • @gavinlewis3049
    @gavinlewis3049 Рік тому +154

    I always liked the big spoilers and aggressive look, hot hatches are meant to look a bit out there, like you would see in the car mags in the 90's.

    • @sandersson2813
      @sandersson2813 Рік тому

      Spoilers are laughable.

    • @BlueCivid
      @BlueCivid 11 місяців тому

      Idk about ek9 I feel like the 11th gen is a modernized version lol

    • @Ytargentina
      @Ytargentina 5 місяців тому +1

      I have put one on my fk7. Looks great!

  • @sledgedragon2677
    @sledgedragon2677 Рік тому +14

    New one is a massive improvement. No overengineering or faking anything. Every vent is real and the body looks much more put together.
    Unlike the old one, Honda really went all out with their engineers to REALLY make sure the new one was going to blow track records out of the water, which is why it's now #1 on the Nürburgring FWD times.
    Overall, the new one is just the better car. Upgraded and practical parts and it's actually something I would buy over the other.

  • @chandrahaschouhan4218
    @chandrahaschouhan4218 Рік тому +805

    People always start loving the old design once they see the new one

    • @scuckplexity
      @scuckplexity Рік тому

      That's pretty much the cycle until a year or two. Same goes for the same mfs that started liking the fish GT86 over the GR86 for some reason

    • @daftcow706
      @daftcow706 Рік тому +79

      the old one looks like a hotwheels car

    • @fara-j9693
      @fara-j9693 Рік тому +35

      Both good but dont have money for either

    • @mediocreman2
      @mediocreman2 Рік тому +49

      Not me. Old one still looks like crap

    • @greg882
      @greg882 Рік тому +36

      Nope. New one looks much better and less mindlessly ridiculous

  • @svgaming2716
    @svgaming2716 Рік тому +386

    I like the older one idk, I've always liked the design of it, even have a hotwheels version in the same spec as in the vid

    • @SparklingWalrus
      @SparklingWalrus Рік тому +23

      imagine liking fake vents over functional ones

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +1

      @@SparklingWalrus 1995 Civic 3 Door says hi.

    • @svgaming2716
      @svgaming2716 Рік тому +39

      @@SparklingWalrus its an opinion, you may like the new one but i have always loved the old one, and btw i don't care about fake vents

    • @rayhan4502
      @rayhan4502 Рік тому

      @@purwantiallan5089 Just as bad as that

    • @Plaganomica
      @Plaganomica Рік тому +6

      @@SparklingWalrus Theres loads of functional vents too, plenty other cars use fake vents and trims.

  • @TrevorDennis100
    @TrevorDennis100 Рік тому +7

    Compared to all the drag race videos you upload, this was a welcome change back to a proper car review, and I have to say, you are incredibly good at it. This is one of the best car reviews I have _ever_ seen!

  • @chrissandford1815
    @chrissandford1815 Рік тому +27

    I have the FK8 in America and we have the cup holders in the backseat, weird they weren’t included in the Euro spec model. Also, Ive had the car for a coup of years and I still love this car. Boy racer… for sure… but I honestly like that it stands out from everything else. Currently working on replacing the fake CF trim with real CF. Both are great cars, but I can’t justify the price of the FL5.

    • @jankisty9704
      @jankisty9704 Рік тому

      In Europe we have diff things in FK7 and FK8 ... I think in continental Europe were cupholders. Euro spec model was also much stronger some functions extra.
      Also I know that steering wheel in FK7 was different, depends when you buy the car. Some cars has touch volume buttons and some has only up and down :D ... I also asked Honda why.. They didn't know.

  • @_spideypunk_2077
    @_spideypunk_2077 Рік тому +391

    Mostly people love aggressive design, hence the old one is getting more love in the comments. But I prefer the more streamline design of the new one it looks more smooth like most modern cars.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +4

      Agreed. Spoon cars are equally aggressive as 2023 Civic Type R.

    • @203tron
      @203tron Рік тому +16

      I like agressive design, but I hate how many fake features it has so I preffer the new one

    • @calumwhite7760
      @calumwhite7760 Рік тому +4

      The new one really feels like a spiritual successor to the integra dc5 lol

    • @Incendia
      @Incendia Рік тому +2

      @@calumwhite7760 DC5 owner here. Please, don't compare the DC5 with that Kia rip-off. The DC5 design is miles better.

    • @rolfstuh
      @rolfstuh Рік тому +3

      Yeah the new nearly looks as booring as most modern car.sorry but soon, every car looks the same.. Just booring

  • @MosesRides
    @MosesRides Рік тому +1510

    In person, the older one looks so much better and aggressive.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +9

      Spoon Civic Type R also. Despite only 250bhp max

    • @geminfinity1674
      @geminfinity1674 Рік тому

      You trippin the old type r ugly as fuck with that ugly ass rear fake vents a lot of fake vents. The new type r is cleaned up and looks so much cleaner. You got some weird taste

    • @Red-ev8ls
      @Red-ev8ls Рік тому +149

      Maybe for boy racers I always prefer the old simplistic looks of type r I don’t wanna my civic to look like a kid took it to los santos customs and went crazy on it

    • @geminfinity1674
      @geminfinity1674 Рік тому +18

      @@Red-ev8ls I think you got your cars switched that’s exactly what the fk8 is a los santos custom shit box

    • @theweeknd2725
      @theweeknd2725 Рік тому +49

      @@Red-ev8ls yeah but it looks FREAKING SICK! like stands out like a supercar on a road almost 🔥 It actually looks awesome ngl

  • @justin_dunn46
    @justin_dunn46 Рік тому +191

    Never had an issue with the FK8 design, still think it looks great but that FL5 really does look like a step up. Exterior and interior. Would love to take either one on a twisty bit of road

    • @TriMarko
      @TriMarko Рік тому +9

      FK8 has to be one of the most overstyled cars in history. Looks like it was designed by a 14 year old after watching fast and furious

    • @darthgroot9130
      @darthgroot9130 Рік тому +1

      @TriMarko
      As a former 14 yr old, i disagree with your comment. Looks like a 14 yr old on crack and heroin who just watched fast and furious designed it

    • @Incendia
      @Incendia Рік тому +3

      If by step-up you mean it looks like a Kia shell with a BMW interior... sure. Boring works for some people I guess.

    • @wanglee21
      @wanglee21 Рік тому

      Looks more sophisticated like German cars. The FK8 looked in the Fast and Furious tuner years in early 2000's

    • @theweeknd2725
      @theweeknd2725 Рік тому +2

      @@Incendia FK8 Type-R was definitely the Truest of the Type-R🔥🔥

  • @Thyx_
    @Thyx_ Рік тому +6

    This channel is never boring.
    There are always new exciting videos.

  • @dave_mac
    @dave_mac Рік тому +1

    After years of driving, fixing and racing cars, the only kind of car I drive is a Honda Civic. That says alot. I've been in so many cars, but Honda's, especially the Civic, are it for me. Great video.

  • @jsjooste
    @jsjooste Рік тому +28

    Top review Mat. Great to see how your opinions have become more nuanced and informative over the years. Agree with you here for sure. The price diff isn't justified.

  • @magnustan841
    @magnustan841 Рік тому +114

    The perfect R for me would be the FL5 with a sprinkling of the FK8’s crazy styling. FL5 has the nicer cabin, better user interface, without sacrificing much user ability, but looks way too plain for my liking. By the way, I heard and read the FL5 will be built in smaller numbers, which explains the price.

    • @Car3stash
      @Car3stash Рік тому

      so the FK2 is the answer :))

    • @xxs774
      @xxs774 Рік тому

      You want fk8 sprinkling? Put some cheesy red pin stripes on your rims and fake vents everywhere you poser.

    • @theweeknd2725
      @theweeknd2725 Рік тому +8

      @@Car3stash No not the pregnant civic type r I am sorry 🤣
      FK8 is so much more Streamlined, aerodynamic and Race orientated looking 🏁

    • @fk8chick893
      @fk8chick893 Рік тому +1

      Finally someone I agree with. Wish they would of kept the 10th gens crazy boy racer style and upgraded the other things .

  • @greymark420
    @greymark420 Рік тому +19

    The reason why i went from my FK8 to the Civic E HEV, yes the FL5 is better ( Especially the interior ) but not £13000 better, ridiculous increase. Very impressed with the E HEV, good performance, comfortable, good handling and steering. The Advance model, which i am buying is nicely equipped. Not forgetting between 55-60 mpg.

    • @championxxlNL
      @championxxlNL Рік тому

      I mean that new civic is definitely one of the best cars that have come out in the past year imo. And it isn't alot slower to 100kph than the type r aswell, every reviewer seems to do around 6.8 to 7 secs which is not bad at all

    • @greymark420
      @greymark420 Рік тому

      @@championxxlNL Exactly, at carwow they did a 0-60 in 6.7.

    • @theweeknd2725
      @theweeknd2725 Рік тому

      @@greymark420 that is just MENTAL for a normal civic, I have the MK10 Civic 1.0L VTEC Turbo which is a great car, also handles really well & drives snappy with the turbocharged 1.0 engine producing probably the most hp you can get out of a 1.0 with good economic numbers. And it also looks great ngl, especially in night time the Red shines so well, almost makes it look like the FK8 type r as I have gotten the praises for it before 😅🤣🔥

    • @greymark420
      @greymark420 Рік тому +1

      @@theweeknd2725 Yes it's a crazy price increase. The E HEV that i am buying will be my sixth Civic. Civics have always been reliable and sporty to drive, looking forward to the Hybrid.

  • @2117turbo
    @2117turbo Рік тому +20

    I'm so glad the new one doesn't make my eyes bleed when I look at it.

  • @sammyt3514
    @sammyt3514 Рік тому +2

    Matt is second to none in terms of test driving cars; his thorough, articulate turn by turn commentary on the driving experience of each car made me feel like I was actually driving them rather than watching a review. No other car reviewer does that for me; kudos!

  • @mtm7306
    @mtm7306 Рік тому +74

    As soon as Carwow uploads it makes my day .

    • @alstound
      @alstound Рік тому +4

      Perfect if they change the countdown voice, worst British accent ever!

    • @mrew42
      @mrew42 Рік тому

      @@alstound @rse

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +2

      @@alstound agree. 😂

    • @copperkeyracing6167
      @copperkeyracing6167 Рік тому +1

      Translation: As soon as carwow uploads, I blow my load

  • @julienvbz9361
    @julienvbz9361 Рік тому +16

    I love the " Type R " configuration 🇯🇵🔥

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +1

      And also has double the amount of bhp than the 2010s Civic.

  • @Whispergryn
    @Whispergryn Рік тому +4

    I have an fk8, and I love it. I thought about trading it in for an acura type s but I'm really not sure until it comes out. Love the video, man!

  • @b0bichabatka577
    @b0bichabatka577 10 місяців тому +1

    the older one is definitely one of the bizarre designs ever.. simply loving it! Will be buying one this year

  • @JasonSmith-zu3rn
    @JasonSmith-zu3rn Рік тому +1

    I just can't wait till I get mine. I have to wait until 2025 !!!!! For my Fl5 ...
    I got videos in the mean while lol. Good job mate.

  • @karimsadredini8875
    @karimsadredini8875 Рік тому +13

    The previous generation looks savage and unique, whereas the new one is more car ish and simple looking. It took me a while to get used to the looks of the FK8 though! Both are super fun to drive and reliable boy racers for reasonable money.

    • @davidoconnor3201
      @davidoconnor3201 Рік тому +1

      50 grand is not reasonable, It's absolutely outrageous. It should be 30 at the most.

    • @cyanofelis
      @cyanofelis Рік тому +1

      What's a 'boy racer'?

    • @hughjass5583
      @hughjass5583 Рік тому

      @@davidoconnor3201 nah fr who is paying 50k for a regular degular looking civic with a spoiler on it

  • @W1es
    @W1es Рік тому +23

    I love both, but I absolutely am delighted over the refined look of the FL5. The FL5 is more like the times of the EG chassis, its as if they modernized that, and I like the throwback feel of that because the EG looked very very good, and still looks good if you see it today. The FK8 is very cool, but its cool to see, not to live with, its the reason I dont have one. FL5 is such a nice looking vehicle that I cant wait for the ridiculous mark up to die out and then the lack of sales to make it dip even more, then Ill be ready..

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому

      Ready for what?

    • @TamjidVlogs
      @TamjidVlogs Рік тому +2

      Facts EG design was the best

    • @W1es
      @W1es Рік тому +1

      @@purwantiallan5089 To buy one....

    • @W1es
      @W1es Рік тому

      Oh, and also, I would leave the crazier design space for Mugen to utilize, thats what they are suppesed to be about

    • @andresduques2013
      @andresduques2013 Рік тому

      I'm afraid it will never be much cheaper than this mate, these kind of cars are always expensive, no matter how much time has passed smh

  • @speedwobble5383
    @speedwobble5383 Рік тому +5

    We upgraded the fronts on our FK8 to Michelin ps4's and the improvement in grip was huge so I'm not surprised you managed to launch the Fl5 a bit better.

    • @jankisty9704
      @jankisty9704 Рік тому

      Gear ratio and turbo is also changed.

  • @The_Animal_Man
    @The_Animal_Man Рік тому +10

    I love the way the previous GEN type I looked except the rear, the new type R doesn't look bad, but I think it's a little under styled and looks basic in some angles

  • @supermacholo1585
    @supermacholo1585 Рік тому +1

    I don't know much about cars but I do enjoy watching and learning about it cheers mate

  • @TheBreakfastLover
    @TheBreakfastLover Рік тому +24

    The upcoming Acura Integra Type S will be an excellent alternative. Same powertrain but a little more luxurious, and likely a smaller dealer mark-up.

    • @morgancunningham8819
      @morgancunningham8819 Рік тому

      Wish we could get these RHD in the UK

    • @tjk9263
      @tjk9263 Рік тому +5

      Honda HQ in Japan tore the dealerships in the US a new butthole for the absurd dealer mark-ups on the Type R and I guess a lot of dealerships won't be getting anymore special edition anything for a while.

    • @imkirbo3094
      @imkirbo3094 Рік тому +2

      Imagine living in a country which has "dealer mark-ups" and calls Hondas "Acuras"...

    • @ngc-fo5te
      @ngc-fo5te Рік тому +4

      @@imkirbo3094 All countries have dealer markups at times.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +1

      @@morgancunningham8819 Integra Type R 1995 and Honda Civic 3Door 1995 also best alternatives.

  • @Presto_001
    @Presto_001 Рік тому +20

    What a comparison carwow! Have to say the New Civic Type-R is awesome but that is a lot of money in difference compared to its previous generation.

  • @diptarupghosh4431
    @diptarupghosh4431 Рік тому +4

    One thing to remember is fk8 has 245s and fl5 has 265s as tires. I know that makes a difference for sure. I wonder what the results would be if they were both on similar sizes

  • @4drobertson
    @4drobertson Рік тому

    Was behind the new one yesterday. It's enormous!!

  • @andybiscuits
    @andybiscuits Рік тому

    Love the Belgian Malinois reference. Accurate description and I love them

  • @J-oDean458
    @J-oDean458 Рік тому +19

    Hi mat, for the first time i couldn't agree more on the exhaust system, I prefer the New one, it feels like a little more sporty or ... 🤔😁

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +2

      I prefer 2023 one. Its just way better and has double the amount of bhp from the 2010 Civic.

    • @zno3177
      @zno3177 Рік тому +6

      You mean you couldn’t agree less?

    • @reaver69
      @reaver69 Рік тому +1

      Um Matt preferred the older one....

    • @J-oDean458
      @J-oDean458 Рік тому +1

      @@reaver69 🤦‍♂️

    • @erlyszavala
      @erlyszavala Рік тому

      @@J-oDean458 I'm so confused. Are you mentally ill?

  • @DreamCarGarage1
    @DreamCarGarage1 Рік тому +4

    1 LOVE THE LOOK OF THE PREVIOUS MODEL TYPE R!!! It looks waaaay more intentional and dramatic than the car that replaced it.

  • @ferrarifrank7854
    @ferrarifrank7854 Рік тому +6

    I would absolutely buy the new one if they made a couple. Love the videos watching from the U.S

  • @Ayrton4everrr
    @Ayrton4everrr Рік тому +1

    04:35
    Finally somebody mentioned it.
    I hate screens on top of the dash, they block your side view. Worst idea ever for a track/sports car.
    Thanks Mat.
    Not to mention that yes, the new one has a cleaner look, but from the side it looks like it has a huge forehead with the bonnet raised in front then going down, and the overall shape from the side looks like a small SUV 😕
    And please 🙏🏼 please 🙏🏼 Honda, if you’re watching this, make the type r 2 door and shorter. It will be lighter, faster and cool again like the old civics 🙏🏼

  • @Teebat316
    @Teebat316 Рік тому +2

    Am I the only person who thinks the FK8 looks awesome. Especially front 3/4 view

  • @nickloong
    @nickloong Рік тому +15

    Awesome comparison of the 2 Type Rs, but I noticed that the drag times of these performance cars tend to tapper off when compared to their newer models during a test, where usually when they're new, the times are more impressive. Is it due to ageing of the engines or the choice of tyres?

    • @ThePurpleSquares1
      @ThePurpleSquares1 Рік тому +5

      Official 0-60 times will never be matched in the real world. The journalists and manufacturers abuse the hell out of the cars to get the lowest times and often do stuff like removing the 1ft rollout from the time. All i can say is that in the 15k miles ive had my FK8 i havent noticed any performance degredation (in fact, it hooks up even better now that i ditched the shit contis for Pilot AS4s). The FL5 also has a slightly longer final drive ratio than the FK8 which means it can hit ~62mph in 2nd whereas the FK8 only hits 58 and needs a 2-3 shift to do a 0-60.

    • @copperkeyracing6167
      @copperkeyracing6167 Рік тому +1

      It's called carbon buildup and lack of maintenance. 99% of people don't know how, and don't ever do it. Then they sell it, and the next guy thinks that's how it's supposed to be... and then it blows up.

  • @khoablink
    @khoablink Рік тому +7

    I LOVE the design of the 10th gen. That’s why I decided it to be my first car. The regular civic, not the Type R. And everyone of my family and friends loves the 10th gen design as well.
    I like the interior of the new one though.

    • @alexl.102
      @alexl.102 Рік тому

      I agree i get compliments often on my sedan although i do like the rear end of the this hatch

    • @TheDefiledShell
      @TheDefiledShell Рік тому

      Yup, I have a 10th Gen Sport Touring, I get so many compliments on it. Imo it’s the best looking Civic ever made.

  • @StephenButlerOne
    @StephenButlerOne Рік тому +13

    I like the new one better in and out. I love the retro dash. Taken straight out the 70s

  • @michaelpascual3581
    @michaelpascual3581 Рік тому

    Doesn't matter which one. Civics are awesome. I used to be a WRX kind of person but damn. The Civic outperformed every STI there is. Switched sides and boy do I not regret it.

  • @hughmcneillie1032
    @hughmcneillie1032 Рік тому +2

    I've got a late 2019 FK8 and love it. Have been thinking about the new one since it came out but the price hike and increased road tax cost as it's over £40k will probably make me keep what I have or look at other options in the used market. They actually just increased the new car from £47k to £50k as well.

    • @lukeskywalker1666
      @lukeskywalker1666 Рік тому

      I test drove one these before I got the bmw m140i problem with type r is their slow and the manual gearbox, handling wise tho very good.

  • @manastambat4076
    @manastambat4076 Рік тому +11

    The new Civic R is very simple yet looks really amazing.. a lot better than the previous generation.. the latest gen is one of my fav cars.. I was just hoping that it would have come with AWD drive system then it could have smashed all the cars in the segment.. just like a Lancer evo

  • @BispoOnRoad
    @BispoOnRoad Рік тому +9

    I must be the only person in the world that loves the FK8 design 😅

    • @CJax749
      @CJax749 Рік тому +1

      As an FK8 owner I disagree😂

    • @rculture
      @rculture Рік тому +3

      Prefer the FK8 over the FL5.

  • @JDMcam702
    @JDMcam702 Рік тому +9

    Absolutely love the new design. Very simplistic just how the original ek9 was.

  • @SonicHedgehog38
    @SonicHedgehog38 Рік тому +1

    Between the FK8 gen and the FL5 gen Honda Civic Type R, the one I would use everyday is the FL5 gen Civic Type R, because it's the best Honda Civic Type R ever made!!!🤩

  • @michaelk1471
    @michaelk1471 Рік тому

    Good to see actual journalism again!

  • @Neo.555
    @Neo.555 Рік тому +5

    5.62 was the best time an fk8 got on a previous video from Carwow!

  • @BullyBoxer
    @BullyBoxer Рік тому +5

    Sorry, got a disagree with Matt ,This isn’t even my type of car, but I prefer the old car with the aggressive styling.

  • @VGILee
    @VGILee Рік тому +5

    It’s amazing how both cars seem to be so similar in hardware yet feel so different.
    I’m still not exactly sure what I think about the looks of the FK8 even after all these years. Fake vents don’t do it for me and it’s probably too OTT and too aggressive for my liking yet in certain colours it looks sort of awesome. Each to his or her own I guess. I am or at least used to be a die-hard Honda fan. Owned an original NSX, Accord Type R, DC2. The only thing that stopped me from getting the FK8 was the turbocharged engine. Effective, sure. And obviously an amazing car in most other respects, at least the ones which matter to a petrolhead. But I still think they went in the wrong direction with the engine. A proper Type R engine with a stratospherically high-revving NA engine and a an electric motor with a small LI-ION battery would have been both a better choice and a purer one, preserving what made Type Rs unique in the hot hatch world. The hybrid unit in the CRZ wasn’t all that heavy or expensive and I’d have taken the small weight penalty over adding a turbo. I just think Honda make some really weird decisions sometimes. Same with the ‘new’ NSX. That car lost so much by going turbocharged when they could have achieved similar results with a NA engine and slightly more powerful electric motors. These things should have been locked-in at the conception stage as absolute non-negotiables and, given that Honda was a pioneer with the whole hybrid thing with the original Insight, it would have doubly made sense!
    As it stands, if I wanted a 4 seat car which could - at least at a push - do family duty, I’d go for an Japanese FD2 over any of the turbocharged Civics, regardless of them offering more shock and even if they are better in many ways.

  • @raynaldfernandez1436
    @raynaldfernandez1436 Рік тому +2

    I have the FK8 but I want to upgrade to the FL5. Love the look way way better.

  • @miguelmsilva16
    @miguelmsilva16 Рік тому +2

    Yes, we definitely need to see a track battle between the FL5 and the FK8

  • @992UFO
    @992UFO Рік тому +4

    You should compare the FK2 with the FL5, too. Like the 1st VTEC Turbo vs the last VTEC Turbo. 😬

  • @ertey9
    @ertey9 Рік тому +6

    I truly think the older one looks better. It’s stands out as a type R better. Yes it’s aggressive, yes it’s rice-y, but that’s what’s you’re going for with a type R. At least in my opinion.

  • @blackhole4
    @blackhole4 Рік тому +6

    What I’ve learned from driving these hard is that it only takes one mountain turn and some sand on the the ground to make you go flying off that mountain. Otherwise fantastic machine, drive safe everyone!

    • @LITTEULCEVENN
      @LITTEULCEVENN Рік тому +3

      The differential will send power to the wheel with the more grip. If both wheels have no grip it will send you off the road.

    • @farindeeba543
      @farindeeba543 Рік тому +1

      So the moral of the story is don’t race around mountain turns because you’re high up?!

  • @qiminaqiemi97
    @qiminaqiemi97 Рік тому +1

    Cant wait for the roll race!

  • @Cranktothemetal
    @Cranktothemetal 10 місяців тому +2

    the new one looks so much better

  • @jhovjhov
    @jhovjhov Рік тому +5

    Hot take: The old Civic looks better to me

    • @funtimediaz7435
      @funtimediaz7435 8 місяців тому

      That’s not much of a hot take, most people too like the old design more

  • @stuartgoddard4805
    @stuartgoddard4805 Рік тому +1

    Mat
    We need a drag race of the type r fl5,fk8,fk2

  • @ThaboTshuma
    @ThaboTshuma Рік тому +4

    In my opinion, the 2005 Honda NSX Type R is the greatest Japanese car... *Jeremy Clarkson pause*... ever.

    • @JZX_Nate
      @JZX_Nate Рік тому

      ‘in the world’

  • @saupieu-chendasom4079
    @saupieu-chendasom4079 20 днів тому

    - Génial,pratique,conduite facile sécurisée !
    - Les différents facteurs de sécurité pendant la conduite accompagnent bien le poids et la vitesse de la voiture !❤

  • @USSCoop
    @USSCoop Рік тому

    The new design is so much better. Really hope y’all do the actual drag race

  • @Flight-of-Life
    @Flight-of-Life Рік тому +7

    I like the older one, But I liked the one before that even more

  • @0ShenodaKromar0
    @0ShenodaKromar0 Рік тому +4

    The past generation seems more athletic and it is not worth paying this difference in the new generation.😶😶

  • @SuperSymbol
    @SuperSymbol Рік тому +7

    FL5 better, might got too boring but it’s have better upgrades, FL5 stands out better especially the headlights at night

    • @ApothecaryTerry
      @ApothecaryTerry Рік тому

      Mat was saying the FL5 is less boring. The complaints were that it's less of a serious sports car (for me, being a serious sports car was the FK8's biggest flaw, that's what Porsches are for) but mainly that the FL5 is £47k. Since I mentioned Porsches, you can get a brand new 718 for £47k.
      The problem with the FL5 is simple. The FK8 has a niche - if you can only own one car, need to carry a family but do a lot of track days, there's nothing better. The FL5 doesn't have a niche, since it's worse at all that than the FK8 so the only reason you'd buy an FL5 over a used FK8 are looks and fun. Well, buy an i30N or 308 GTi then, they're both 100000x more fun and both look better. Then there's the elephant nobody seems to be mentioning- the FK8 took the FK2 and made it more serious. The FL5 is taking the FK8 and making it less serious again...so if you want a less serious FK8, spend £15k on an FK2! Then you've got £30k to buy a used Porsche...like mine that happens to be for sale soon 😂
      The Honda niche was always being better on track, which I'm sure it still is, but if the FK8 is better...why exactly would anyone ever buy an FL5? I don't dislike it, it's just that for any possible scenario I can think of, another car is a better choice. Leaves me with 1 conclusion - the FL5 is only good if you want a Honda collection.

  • @fudabi7850
    @fudabi7850 3 місяці тому

    I love both designs and am sure both are just as fun to drive 😊

  • @genetung8590
    @genetung8590 Рік тому

    I like the maturity of the new one. I like the emotion of the old one.

  • @Matt-go7ss
    @Matt-go7ss Рік тому +7

    I'd have neither, save myself 20k and get an fk-2

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 Рік тому +1

      I'd go for the FK8 at least, as someone who has owned both (and has an FL5 on order) the FK8 is a massive upgrade.
      The fk2 is the value buy but the FK8 is just better in every way.

    • @Matt-go7ss
      @Matt-go7ss Рік тому

      @@alsayedfakhri4597 that's what's I've read. I've also read the ride in the fk-2 is awful. I love the fk-2 looks though!

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 Рік тому +1

      @@Matt-go7ss yeah, the fk2 does look nice and you're correct, the biggest issue with the fk2 is ride quality.
      Drive both, see if the price difference is worth it - like I said, the fk2 is abit of a bargain still.

    • @Matt-go7ss
      @Matt-go7ss Рік тому

      @@alsayedfakhri4597 thanks for your advice 👍

    • @CJax749
      @CJax749 Рік тому

      @@alsayedfakhri4597
      Sound like you’re the same as me mate😂 the fk8 is a big jump over fk2 and I’m expecting the FL5 to be a big improvement over my pre-facelift fk8

  • @Matt-go7ss
    @Matt-go7ss Рік тому +8

    I mean, the price is a total piss take.

  • @brianiswrong
    @brianiswrong Рік тому +4

    It's a better car,but not £12k worth of better😪

  • @KyngShadow
    @KyngShadow Рік тому

    The review I was waiting for

  • @albertosamaniego2476
    @albertosamaniego2476 Рік тому +1

    I love the inteior of the old FK8 and exterior of the new FL5

  • @JZX_Nate
    @JZX_Nate Рік тому +6

    old one is better but the even older ones are better again

  • @Timborob
    @Timborob Рік тому +7

    £47k for a hot hatch... 😲

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 Рік тому +1

      Yep. And cheaper than even R34GTR.

    • @CJax749
      @CJax749 Рік тому

      Well the RS3 is 70k😂

    • @Timborob
      @Timborob Рік тому

      @@CJax749 As Gerald Butler says "Madness!" 😂

  • @torijenna1629
    @torijenna1629 11 місяців тому +9

    Old one looks unique new looks boring like a civic with a cheap wing.

  • @PaulTaylor80
    @PaulTaylor80 Рік тому

    As soon as I get a ad that I can’t skip 👋🏻

  • @kamotefries99
    @kamotefries99 Рік тому

    That rear valence on the FL5 look knackered.

  • @kidgiann9152
    @kidgiann9152 Рік тому +2

    I like the simpler look of the new type R more than the fk8 but both look awesome.

  • @jshizzle2097
    @jshizzle2097 Рік тому +1

    FK8 245 width Continental vs FL5 265 width Pilot Sport 4s or Cup 2. FK8 seems to be better sorted even with those disadvantages.

  • @blop507
    @blop507 Рік тому

    Just got the FL5 Sonic Gray. It's gorgeous and a blast to drive! Ran into a few FK8 homies and they only had good things to say about the design change.

  • @jponte30
    @jponte30 Рік тому

    Such good cars. Would love to experience one of these and if had the chance definitely buy one and use it as a daily. Strong, reliable, 5 seater and spacious. Talk about a perfect car.

  • @toxsin2207
    @toxsin2207 Рік тому

    I had just been wondering why I hadn't received any notifications from your channel and this pops up on my feed 😊

  • @danielkwon396
    @danielkwon396 Рік тому

    I'm still having fun in my FK8. Hope this car becomes a classic like the S2K.

    • @ApothecaryTerry
      @ApothecaryTerry Рік тому

      It seems a guarantee that the FK8 will become a classic. Especially since the FL5 doesn't beat the FK8 at what it did best- being both a family car and track beast. I didn't buy an FK8 because I wanted fun and...well I'll put it politely- it's more fun than my Dad's diesel A6...I think. Just don't quote me on that. Still, fun isn't what it's built for, it's a track toy and a damned good one. I love the FK8, I genuinely don't think another petrol car will ever combine track toy and family hatch better, it's just what it does.
      I bash it a little because some people can't differentiate "good on track" from "puts a smile on my face" (presumably the same people who think that speed = fun in bed too 😂) but that was never the point- it's a future classic, and I suspect not that far in the future. The only thing that might kill the value is what happens to petrol as a fuel.

  • @siegfriedo
    @siegfriedo 6 місяців тому

    Lookswise, FK8 all the way. ❤️‍🔥

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 Рік тому

    Excellent video Mat!

  • @darrenbull3622
    @darrenbull3622 Рік тому

    I’ve always loved the look of the fk8! But I did phone to put an order in for the Fl5, but unfortunately being informed by several uk Honda dealerships that each one of them was only allowed a maximum of two vehicles a year! And I was also informed that there was a six to twelve month wait! And even though I love grey, I was told that I had to pick two different colours, as the dealership could commit to which colour would eventually arrive!!!! 🤦‍♂️😢 So my choice was decided! I bought from a Honda dealer the last of the line FK8, in the colour I wanted (grey) one previous owner car with only 7,859 miles on the clock. And the dealership I bought it from originally supplied the car brand new!!! Well chuffed! 👍👍😃😃😃😃

  • @CruiseControl1
    @CruiseControl1 Рік тому +1

    I have driven the 10th gen (fk8) and have not driven the 11th yet, so I don’t have a full opinion formed as of yet.
    As for looks I like the 10th gen outside but prefer the 11th gen interior.
    Driving wise the 10th was perfection for a fwd as for handling, I wish it made a better sound, the shifter was TOP notch, and the seats were the best I have ever sat in period.
    I expect the new 11th gen to drive similar but will hold judgment until I get to drive one.

    • @ApothecaryTerry
      @ApothecaryTerry Рік тому

      The 10th was handling perfection in terms of serious race driving. Not fun, but then those are 2 different use cases so I'm saying you're right, just sticking a clarification on the end since other cars can handle totally differently and also have perfect FWD handling - the Peugeot 306 is the car I'm thinking of, beats anything for FWD fun but won't be touching any lap records.
      I'm definitely not going to disagree with your opinion on the sound or shifter, it sounds like someone in a close portaloo with diarrhoea and the shifter is up there with Porsches in terms of manual perfection. The seats I can't actually remember, drove one in 2020 and I certainly can't remember any criticism of the seats, but I was comparing a Lexus GS which has seats that grip so little in corners they may as well be made of greased ice (although the electric bolsters help), but they also had Rolls Royce level comfort for cruising so my reference point wasn't the right one for a Type R.

  • @jeremyrigden9200
    @jeremyrigden9200 Рік тому

    I owned an FK8, ex-demo in red from Glyn Hopkins, highly modified by Phil at Dreams bless him, honestly wish ide kept it as it did everything, many track days, holidays, taking family all over the place. Its replacement E63 was completely bonkers plus never got over 20 mpg. Hay Ho

  • @mcapo3040
    @mcapo3040 Рік тому +1

    The 20s may look better, but there's a reason so many swapped them out to 18s, and that reason is bent rims due to skinny tires. I still have the stock 20s on my fk8, but probably will swap them out soonish

    • @jonathan___4684
      @jonathan___4684 Рік тому

      I swapped to 19's in my FK8, so so so much better than the original 20's. Noticable improvement in comfort and the same tyres are cheaper

  • @m0nchii
    @m0nchii Рік тому

    as an fk8 owner i love the exterior of the fk8 more but would love the fl5 interior upgrades in the fk8

  • @superflyguy4488
    @superflyguy4488 Рік тому

    Watching this sat in my 2021 Type R GT in bright red.

  • @exothermal.sprocket
    @exothermal.sprocket Рік тому

    The new Civic Type-R runs 265/30-19 tires, Michelin Pilot Sport 4S to be exact. Right now a popular online tire retailer is charging precisely $400 USD per tire.

  • @LH-80
    @LH-80 Рік тому

    Red carpets remind me of my DC5! 😍

  • @s000mable
    @s000mable Рік тому

    Just sold my fk8 yesterday it was gorgeous and I miss it already

  • @thegirthquake8574
    @thegirthquake8574 Рік тому +1

    The old one was.. interesting. The new one is genuinely gorgeous.

  • @jfz313
    @jfz313 Рік тому +2

    The FK5 looks like an everyday sedan from 1990.

  • @Turbojatt27v
    @Turbojatt27v Рік тому +1

    Think I’m going to keep my FK8 type r until the FL5 has a facelift and more development on aftermarket parts. Love the new FL5 tho so wouldn’t mind one 👌🏽