Tech Inspection L15B7
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The New L15B7 Turbo from Honda: We take a close look a the L15B7 that comes in the new Civic EX Turbo.
By Brian Gillespie
We got our hands on a turbo 1.5 liter from a 2017 Civic and it's radically different from Honda's engines of the past. It's compact, powerful and can out perform the last generation's K24 powered Civic Si. Imagine if you put that engine in a car that's lighter than the corpulent 2016 Civic.
It's chock full of high tech goodness too. Honda tuners are already getting horse power numbers of 230+ using Hondata and KTuner modified computers. What will be possible when the new Si L15B7 comes with a starting point of 200HP?
Honda has already sold over 100,000 of the new turbo Civics and guess what? They're already stacking up in salvage yards around the US. With numbers like that, it's only a matter of time before the price on used engines drops low enough to make them a viable swap choice. Right now, engines with just a few thousand mile can be had for under $1500.
We're not wasting any time. We're going to try this engine on for size in everything we can get our hands on. And as soon as we figure out what car it's going to go in, you will be the first to know.
Here's what we discovered when taking a closer look at the little bundle of Honda hotness...
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who cares if its ugly? lmao this is a great page, I have very limited knowledge on the new honda engines and always curious to learn new innovations that honda is doing. keep up the great content.
slammedEGhatch Lots of people care. Car enthusiasts like clean and pretty engine bays. this thing is an eyesore and will never have the simple elegance of the older engines. Doesn't mean it's a bad engine though. I just hope all the plastic stuff holds up over time.
"slammedEGhatch Lots of people care. Car enthusiasts like clean and pretty engine bays. this thing is an eyesore and will never have the simple elegance of the older engines. " Superficial "car enthusiasts" called ricer. Lot's of car enthusiasts don't give a shit, deal with it.
slammedEGhatch Agreed!
slammedEGhatch what the fuck is so great about an engine with plastic parts all over it?
knifemind
The Mark V Supras have a plastic air to water charge cooler. I’m pretty sure manufacturers today have their polymer technology pretty well figured out for stuff like this.
so happy to see an OG in the game enthusiastic and premoting inovation instead of bitching and moaning like most the honda fan boys who don't wannna leave the K's behind.
i can only imagine what they would have done back in 01 when folks started tinkering with the Ks and everyone thought it would never be able to stand up against the B series. eager to see wha
t comes of this for good or bad.
I agree with this, but the K series is far from dead. The new CTR is powered by a K20C
MikeyMike_CD7 yeah i know the new motors are Ks also. and they're fantastic. just folks arnt ready for change/progress
ANDRE BRODIE That is bc this turbo mini motor barely makes what a NA K does. When everyone is going big 4 banger like Subaru with the 2.5 and Mazda with the 2.3 turbo...Honda does this??? IMO and many other people who see reality...see this as a step backwards vs "innovation". Honda should have just made a newer turbo K instead of this crap
Honda has their big power 4cyl in the type r. this is their base motor that they want to hypermile. its reasonable and with proper bolt ons which is what honda is best known for. it's gonna be a bulk (d series esq motor that's in alot of hondas. these are good things. if you want set on kill go get the type r.
This isn't a fair statement as the Type R won't be mass produced, it will be limited availability. They need a detuned k20c for the masses imo.
I am here because I want to replace my L15b7 with a K24a2 on my 10th gen si
Interesting.
new L family honda motors will b killing the game from now on!
imma miss the k vs b rivalry.
Now it’s gonna be new gen K’s vs L’s
Not sure how electronics will work for a swap but something for the GE8 would be awesome! With the way these motors are responding to aftermarket parts, would be perfect in a FIT.
Hello Brian: i have simple question , does it helps to install a oil catch can on this 1.5 turbo engine ?
looking forward to seeing what potential this little motor has
All things considered, it’s shown itself to be a tough little motor. With MAPerformance running tons of 500whp drag passes on a stock bottom end
Thanks for doing a video like this! Would like to see more!
I had this motor in my 2018 CR-V. Total piece of crap. I had to arbitrate it away due to massive oil dilution.
Apparently that is a problem in colder climates with short trips where the engine doesn't reach operating temp. Honda says it's rare. There is a software fix for the problem and Honda has extended the warranty on those engines. I hadn't heard about before your post.
@@VTECAcademy I appreciate the fact you responded to my comments. However I am disappointed that you "VTEC academy" are not more knowledgeable on the Honda Oil Dilution issue. Just a little bit of homework would reveal that the oil dilution problem is significant on the Honda 1.5L turbo motor. It is not just a short trips and cold weather problem either. Additionally, it is global in scope too. The "software" fix does not work. It just keeps it from being stupid obvious. The worst part of this story ... Honda has everyone, like yourself, convinced this is normal and a nonissue. All the dealers here in the greater Minneapolis area were willing to deny this issue even exists until they were presented with the facts. Then they just treated like an illegal alien with STD's instead of an ignorant consumer. I only ask that you do your homework and report the facts. I actual did the math and the calculations and they don't add up.
Tim Braun Hi! How did you notice it? I drive a 2018 civic hatch in Europe, but here as far as i know there is no oil dilution problem. (Or maybe not that serious). I drove my car the whole winter (-8 to 5 deg c in the morning) every workday for 8 to 20 km trips daily and a few longer drives in the winter. I read something about fast rising oil levels, but I didnt notice it, maybe 2mm increase or so, but I‘m not sure. However all engines here are L15BA engines with 182 hp, as far as I know there is a minor difference in the piston design/rings between the two, but I‘m not entirely sure. What I find worrying is the 20.000km oil change interval here in Europe. Still better than the 30.000km of some other european manufacturers tho.
What about oil dilution?
Do you think it will fit in the CRZ? the mount points look similar, and theyre both 1.5L L-series
Can the 1.5 Turbo engine fit into a Fit GE8 model? Thanks
Can it also fit the gd3?
Yes it will fit in all the Fits.
Honda recalled these engines in China but not North America?!
Did the people complain?
the most professional video I've seen from you guys. great info and great work
I really want to put that engine in an eg
I have a 2018 Civic Si. They forgot about the clutch and it is the weak point in the higher performance version. I am upgrading my clutch and flywheel due to slippage at high boost in higher gears. Otherwise the performance of this engine has been excellent.
Thanks for watching! Definitely a learning curve when it comes to handling torque from the boost. Soon we will do a comparo with the 1.5T from the Accord.
so many fanboys complaining about the looks of the engine, gentleman its an engine. its under the bonnet (hood) for a reason!!! this engine is far more advanced than the k, f, and b series!! that's why its so groundbreaking, shoot im getting 45-50 mpg in our ext sedan. i would recommend drive one since you wont buy one and you will see where us actual civic x gen owners are coming from. its just a matter of time before someone starts developing parts and starts making these motors go far beyond their potential, just like it has happened with every new honda engine that has been released through the years , the E, PO7a, A series man i can go on,one thing i can advise learn to adjust to change , have an open mind, because Honda is Honda and who knows what they are planning next
Just because it's an engine doesn't mean it can't be good looking.
an engine should be good looking!
The K-series is still in production if you want a pretty engine. Also, you can't have it all at this price point, if you want something high performance that looks good, you might as well start saving for a Ferrari.
... but it doesn't necessarily mean it should be. You talk about an engine, not a dildo.
Bullshit!
Good info, this is good for the fit guys. Those Honda Fits are gutless. If I wanted something high output and compact for an older series, a built booted d series would do just fine. For more room to grow the b series.
1st Gen mounts please!!! Then I can steal my parents' new 10th gen's motor and put it in my 1st gen :)
this is what happens when companys have to abide by emissions and pollution bullshit you get shit like this.. but dont mind the earthquakes,volcanos,tornados etc the earth already does to itself
If only you were right about moving to a single mass flywheel... Number one thing holding my car back is not wanting to drop 2 grand on a new clutch (type R retrofit)
Great video, but it is so sad to see that Honda is using so much plastic in the design of an engine. This engine is guaranteed to have so many problems after 5 or 6 years because half of the engine is plastic. Being exposed to heat from a turbo motor and then cooling off is going to make it brittle, weak, and it will start cracking causing unneeded issues that older Hondas will never suffer from
It’s possible. But just so you feel better. Bmw has had plastic manifolds for turbo engines since 2007 and my vehicle hasn’t busted its manifold even after increasing boost. It’s now 14 years old. Depends on the plastic type .
@@chrisrobles2012 everyone knows modern BMWs are unreliable plastic piles of junk
Michael Skiff , lol yet I have mine for 14 years from new. So unreliable that I daily drove it in winter in NC for years. And now it’s 500hp and still going. If you have money and can maintain them they don’t break down. If you treat them like a Nissan Sentra and never change the oil for 100,000 miles it won’t last .
I never understood why Honda would never make a properly sporty version of the Jazz/Fit platform... I mean, I get that it could be turning customers away from buying a Civic/CR-V instead, but I think it's probably just as good as those, and smaller/lighter.
From what I could find, the L15B7 weighs 220lbs minus the trans! That's 75 lbs lighter than the k20a! How much does this weigh with the trans?
Why not put this is the new Fit? The JDM Fit has a L15B engine already and since its the same L15 series engine.. mount shouldn't be that much of a difference right? 😅 if it's a direct bold on I think a lot of people will convert it in the near future
Thanks for videos great info for guys like me wish it would fit in my my 97 civic cool to see turbo honda motors from factory.
Does it fit?
Thank you for making videos like this, it's nice to know there are innovators out there. I love Hasport!
Although these motors cannot be swapped into eg/ek/dc, maybe the turbo system will be a good swap over for d-series guys; since the turbo system is designed for a smaller displacement engine already.
I'm imagining a rod and piston, coil on plug d16z6 eg with one of these turbo system, retaining ac/and power steering. Quick spool, w/ low hp, high torque -- wll make for a great dd and clean sleeperish underhood setup.
i'm sure in a few year hasport will have mounts to make swapping this into the older civics a reality. Otherwise, us with welders will make mounts ourself until then.
We now have mounts to swap these engines into the EG, EK and DC2
Thank you! Always wondered if the 1.5 turbo can be installed on the Fit. Really enjoyed the practical in depth insights on this new engine.
put it in the old school 1988 3rd Gen prelude si. that would be sweet. give the old ba4 some love
You dont have to worry you can still get the k20c2 which is in the 2020Lx ..
Do you think using a base map from KTuner or Hondata with no other changes on CVT model will significantly decrease long-term reliability?
As it turned out - Honda did use the heavy dual mass fly wheel - and that’s too bad - cause it ain’t so so revy of an engine and could use a lighter fly wheel.
You share so much info!! I hope you continue to share info brian!
Vtec academy on a non Vtec engine lol
matthew girard right?!? Ahh well
Love the non vtec engine doh 🤷♂️
We all know VTEC originally stood for Variable Valve Time and Lift Electronic Control, but Honda is promoting this engine as VTEC TURBO. We can quibble if you like about the removal of the "Lift".
The vtec is the 2.0 . The vtec turbo is the type r k20aturbo. 1.5.isnt
@@mgirard123 global.honda/innovation/technology/automobile/Vtec-turbo-picturebook.html
Hasport - What does it take to fully swap this into a 1/2 gen Fit? I heard you were attempting it or at least looking into it. Build video?? Thanks again for what you do for the Honda scene.
My 1997 Honda Del Sol Si is a 1600 sohc vtec. It has no turbo. It has multi point fuel Injection.
I have heard direct Injection and the problems it has with turbo charged engine. My car has
215,000 miles. I am the original owner. I am not convinced that these engines will be as good
As my engine. My car has hardly any plastic in the engine . New BMW have a lot of plastic and with time the plastic failes. The engine area heat makes the plastic brittle and it fails. If Honda is
Following BMW so safe money their cars will fall apart. Five years on a BMW is about it and Mercedes is the the same. The S class Mercedes is not a good car. My Del Sol has double
wishbone suspension front and rear with sway bars front and rear. I don’t think Honda is the
Car it was. All this horsepower in new cars is unneeded. My car will do 100 miles per hour and
more. My car only has 127 horsepower but it is a quick well handling car. In my option the
Turbo charging with plastic engine parts is only making a unreliable car!
I would like the SI version 4the Honda Elements w/EPS, LiON battery, TL front suspension &a wafer motor 2replace the alternator &starter. Relief of all driveline parasites always increases reliability &clears the engine bay of clutter. Where r the cam-less heads? Koenigsegg already has shown u how. Innovate on that. I also need 2c a scroll type electric AC compressor. Computer controlled minor burn cycle enhancements, increased use of high strength metals, increased of FRP& sodium filled valves r all expected minor advancements that r 20 years overdue.
For 2021, it seems that this tech simply didn’t go far enough. These reported innovations r only minor. If u r going2 innovate, we expect far more in this century &in this decade. It’s a pass 4me Honda. Try harder next time.
Notice he emphasized the extensive use of plastic. Heat and plastic don't get along, just ask the guys over at BMW/VW/Audi etc what happens to their plastic parts ie coolant tanks, plastic thermostat housings, cracks in plastic piping. That heat shield won't do much to protect that charge pipe with the increased heat generated with the turbocharger. Wish honda stuck with using metal components because I believe long term reliability will be affected. I realize plastic parts are cheaper to make to keep costs down but as a consumer I'm willing to pay that difference for better reliabilty. But who knows, maybe Honda will prove me wrong.
Wait until it get 5 more years old then come back to tell us same
VTEC Academy, Thumbs up for channel and content, Thumbs down for this specific engine. Oil dilution problems and direct injection-only.
Thank you for some good info. I just bought a 2019 civic si. It makes 205hp.
hopesfallxx2m hope you’re liking it. Already ktuned mine at 1,000 miles and looking to do cobra CAI and PRL intercooler
Managed to get my Sport Touring Hatch to around 230hp and it feels like a completely different car now.
cr4zym3x1c4n
I just ordered a 2020 Si. Any updates on yours or general suggestions?
Michael Marks
Did retuning get rid of the rev-hang when shifting?
mmwosu I recommend going Ktuner and getting the Tsp stage 1 tune. I’ve been running it on my civic si for a few months and yes it gets ride of the rev hang and the car literally feels like a beast. Crazy difference with just the tune. I leave mine in map 3 sport mode all day and I love it
THIS MOTOR IS AS BAD AS FORDS DUAL CLUTCH TRANS, MAYBE WORSE.
THIS HAPPENS ALL TEMPS AND SEASONS.0W 16 MAY BE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
DROVE A 1400 MILE NEW CRV EXL SUNDAY AND THE ELECTRONICS WERE ALREADY FAILING.
THIS IS THEIR PRIMARY ENGINE NOW AND COULD KILL THE COMPANY.
that's one ugly motor.
You say this engine has a lot of plastic parts. I say that plastic partd help mitigate expansion/contraction rates and assists with keeping the engine quieter.
This engine looks very similar to the 1.6t used in the Sentra sr turbo I have I guess smaller engines with turbos and direct injection are becoming very popular
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do you think it would fit in the 7th gens? I have a '01 sedan that's past 200k so I'm looking at possible engine swaps.
It has no vtec
I think EVERYBODY is thinking Wrong about what Vtec stands for
Its vtec in this engine
would love to see a kit for this to go into the first gen CR-V's but the awd 5spd manual crv. and also keep the awd setup
I'd really like to see the si in a fit that would be awesome
1gen crx would be cool.
Thanks for this. I like to know what i’m getting before i buy it!
wear were u back in the days when I had my 89 hatchback I use to street race Iam 43 now seeing your videos has woke up a desire to build another one 😀
RamVan Bobby ahaha! Do it!
Dude you're never too old for the hobby
I'm 44 and I have my 91 si in the garage still.
MG Mini? That would be sweet! They'er pretty boxey......
Man I was hoping this would swap into the 88-91 chassis with ease. But it seems to be to tall as well..
Not quite with ease.
What is the overall weight of this with the turbo?
Interested to know if this unit will cause carbon build up at intake valves over time given that it is a direct injection.
Yes it will.
Lots of great info in this video. Have you guys had a chance to weigh this setup? How does it compare to the K20/K24 setups out there?
Not yet. I need to do that.
I'd donate my 2012 Cr-Z for the cause. lol
Swap it in a Honda Fit!!
Night Hawk That would be a fun car.
i thought he said first gen fit. now i need that swap in my life lol
VTEC Academy more fun then a k20?
Night Hawk i think LHT did an L-Sight
its the same engine lol
Internal stok engine civic cvt same as civic si? Con rods and h beam?
No.
This motor sounds a lot like the original D15B7 from 92-95 civic dx. I know its re-engineered but the oversimplified concept is they just added vtc and turbo.
Sounds about rite sir. Just has the little baby kick to it if you come from stock NA cars all your life. 😅
I've been schooled.
Interesting video even though much of it went over my head, not being a mechanic. I wonder if/when Turbo’s fail, what horsepower does the engine create?
Dramatically fewer horsepower.
@@VTECAcademy Yeah the NA 2.0 in the Sport sedan makes like 158? I imagine it will turn into a slug when it is 130HP @ 3,000lbs. Sucks as an owner of this who plans on keeping it til the wheels fall off.
put one in my 97 accord se!!!
My 2018 civic it’s a disgrace all deluded guaranteed the truth
Every time I do or you change the engine oil is 3.79 and comes off when I do the only change 5 L or sometimes more and the smell of gas mix with oil is not acceptable....
I am not sure what your particular circumstances are, but the problem you are having seems to be bad with cold climates and cars that take a lot of short trips. When the engine doesn't get hot enough fuel sticks to the cylinder walls and gets by the rings to dilute the oil. Honda is offering a service campaign that they think will mitigate the problem. They've even extended the engine warranty on over 1 million vehicles. I would check with your dealer if you haven't had the service and maybe inquire about the extended warranty. If the dealer isn't cooperative then go directly to Honda.
I have an issue with my very first Honda I bought .(2017Civic Si), love the car but I was concerned when my oil level was unusually high before my first 10k mile oil change . I mentioned it to the dealer service manager and he told me everything is A Ok..So, I did the oil change myself on the next interval..but when i ck the oil level after 3k mi...it is again waaaaay too high and it smells gas!! Again, the dealer sez everything is normal.There's no way Honda can convince me that there will be no long term effect on the engine's reliability since the oil's viscosity is compromised and changing the oil every 3k mi is unacceptable . I live in sunny California btw and i drive long distance and no traffic since i work the swing shift. I can sense a big class action lawsuit on this since i found out just now that Im not the only one with this problem
Clearly it isn't OK. I would contact Honda's corporate customer service. automobiles.honda.com/information/customer-relations
Oil dilution problems were common on the L15B7. Fuel sprayed at high pressure blew past the piston rings and into the crankcase. Then caused the oil reak of fuel. Was a common problem but I think it has been corrected as of 2022.
So did they get ride from Vtec ??
Sounds like a bolt on turbo might require a lot of changes, but a mild tune and the lighter flywheel might make a noticeable difference. Especially in a Fit!
Bolt on turbo is dead easy
Hey boss I was wondering if I can do a manual swap from the si to my touring. I know people would tell me to just get an si. I already started working on the car. I got air suspension and have a wide body kit on it as well I want to add more power but I can’t because of the cvt transmission so I just wanted to know what I would need to swap it to manual pls help.
Yes, it's possible. It really depends on how much more power you want to make to see if it's worth it or not.
I’m trying to push 500 hp
Thank you so much for the response 🙏 love your videos
Too complicate, too many plastic parts, too difficult to modify.
How? With just a tune it's gotten all the way up to 255whp and 301wtq, it's already turbo so a turbo upgrade is as simple as bolting a new turbo up, it's direct injection so you dont need to buy new injectors a new fuel pump to run e85, all you need is a tune and e85..... The real questions you need to be asking are
How much HP can the engine hold stock?
how much HP can the tranny hold stock?
how much HP can the axles hold stock?
How much HP can stock Turbo hold? (not as big of a deal since turbo swaps will def be happening nice to know for basic bolt on builds though.)
The clutch already slips at 255whp and 301tq, so we know you have to upgrade clutch...
Kevin Osorio I guess you don't know much about engines but once you max out direct injectors you need to upgrade them as well as the fuel pump, no one makes direct injectors because they are expensive to make and buy, so you'll need a port injection kit to run both direct and port injection
Kevin Osorio clutch is the biggest weak point
Would you say this is an advance engine compare to let say vw 1.6 tfsi, Hyundai 1.6 t or any other new generation small displacement turbo charged engine?
Can I use the Engine number to tell apart the Si Engine from the regular 1.5T?
L15B7 is the Si.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_L_engine#L15B_&_L15C
I think it would be a cool swap for the first and second gen fit. Make some mounts.
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Would it fit in honda beat?
Really hope these drop in on a GD3 first gen Fit.
Jaime Melendez with a stick shift.
Youre like the honda einstein
GDi problems.. rev it rev it rev it and use good fuel!
Honda looked at BMW for their plastic usage and decided to go cheap as well..
Might fit the Honda Logo??
Its 2022 and I just found this video. Wonder what vehicle they put this engine into? I have a mint 1983 accord that refuses to run reliably and Im ready to just slap another powerplant in there.
Pretty pointless engine to me... if i would buy honda i will look k20/k24 or v6 vehicle..
Please please please drop this in the 86 Hatch!
We tried, and it is too big. It would require some major fabrication.
Hi,I have the L13Z4, can we put the L15B7 turbo in this?Is the engine suitable for turbocharging without modification?
Honda Fit swap... But that's just because my girlfriend has a 2013 Fit Sport and I'd love to give it some more juice. It's begging for an engine swap...
No space in the engine bay. I dont understand what honda is thinking engineering this engine for civic and crv. Is going to become an nightmare to work on later and for an engine just make over 200 hp. The reliability is out the door for this one. Look at all those plastic pieces jesus and gas could enter the crankcase from low temp, high boost , and high load this happen to all turbocharged gas engine. Just engineered are directed injected 2.0l that make power and fuel economy.
Do y’all know the difference between the CVT and the 10 speed automatic
Can the 1.5t have the 10 speed swapped in or??
I am not aware of any 10 auto that have the 1.5T bolt pattern.
So does only the k20c have the bolt pattern for the 10 speed?
We have a engine l15b7 but we don want a cvt gearbox so we are looking to try to put a manual gearbox,doy you that it is possible? If it is possible wich gearbox do you recommend us?
So what's the final verdict on these 1.5L turbo Honda's? Are they as solid and reliable as prior Civics? I'm torn between a 2018 Civic Hatchback, a Mazda3 Touring Hatchback or maybe an Impreza.
How different is this engine (L15B7) compared to Honda HRV (aka Vezel) motor (L15B1) ? is it more or less the same engine ? thanks
Looks like k20c
The cost on a swap must be astronomical into a 88-91 body. You’d need the 1.5 computer 💻, im assuming its hydraulic clutch not cable, so add all that. Then the wiring harness, thats a headache. Probably cheaper to buy new civic
How possible would the L15T and K20C fit into the 16+ Honda HRV CVT or 6spd manual?
i was wondering can you put and aftermarket bov and get turbo noise or no cause of it be electronic
From what I've read, you should not install and aftermarket BOV in these cars.
How reliabile would you predict this engine and trasmission is?
Lucky Strike Stock or near stock should be very reliable.
@@VTECAcademy great! I the buying proces of a Civic with 1.5 turbo engine.
that L15B7 motor is kinda like the B16 imo except with more technology and a turbo of cource..if i had a fit,i would swap that engine in it vs the k-series since it will probably be easier to install but for other honda cars im sure they will stick with the K-series for many years to come for many reasons.@briangillepsie thanks for making this interesting video.
Sadly in Australia we only get the CVT in the new Civics. Only Type R had the manual... Honda c'mon...
Compared to the 2.0, how durable will the direct injected turbo be? Trying to decide between the two on a 2017 Civic purchase. Thanks.
Its about time honda got into the turbo game, but I am surprised how much tech they've taken from vw. sodium filled exhaust valves have been used for almost 20 years now, and dual mass flywheels even though they're only good for traffic jams.
How about the oil dilution dilema or issues OF this engine How can IT be resolved. How come issue come s from America model release checking the Asian unit survey no reports made or correct me iF there are some reports.
Has anyone tried to ger more power off of this engine .. In either the manual or cvt drivetrain.. Like exhaust, intake, ecu flash
I’m getting a very high-pitched noise when I’m FOT and I’ve loss overall power but the car still drives normal. What do you think it is?
What kind of noise and can you diagnose what part it's coming from
@@alixs_life I diagnosed it and it was an blown turbo