DON'T BUY This Upgrade! This Mod can BREAK your new Turbo Engine (FK8 Included)
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There are many modifications you can make to the 2017 Honda Civic Type R. Some of them are cosmetic, others are for performance. However, there is one mod that you DEFINITELY should not, because it causes a whole load of issues that really, make this mod not worth it.
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This is a re-upload since my first upload had issues. Thanks for watching!
how did the HKS bov break your engine please tell us you don't tell us !!!!
I didn’t put it on, but the closed loop air sensor isn’t designed to deal with a vent to atmo event.
Was boost reading up on the bov earlier today, then you drop this video a few hours later. Nice!
I have a 2017 Focus ST and running a TiAL bov with a true vacuum boost reference set up and haven’t had any issues at all. Pro tune, almost full bolt on’s minus intercooler and car runs like a dream. Apples to oranges I guess. Haha
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Same here.. from boston.. mabuhay.. magkano ang fk8 jan?
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OK... I'm sorry but I have to disagree with several topics in this video. I am a designer of compression equipment like the turbocharger on the Type R. What is described in the video is not correct. The Type R already has a blow off valve. It is located right next to the inlet pipe connection to the turbo (it is actually the actuator for the BOV which is located in the turbocharger). It is black plastic covered. If you look there is a rod that extends from that to the exhaust side of the turbocharger. That rod is connected to a flapper that sits between the compressor discharge and the expander (the exhaust side of the turbo) discharge. When you get off the throttle and the engine can not take all the pressurized air between the compressor and the intake valves, the BOV opens to send pressurized air from the discharge side of the compressor to the exhaust system. No air gets recycled back into the inlet side of the compressor it is dumped to the exhaust. What is dangerous with the aftermarket BOVs is they are located so far from the compressor, so when you're off the throttle some of that air that is closer to the compressor can not make it to the BOV, so it could travel backwards to the compressor and cause a reverse flow into the compressor. This is called surge (not stall, stall is when you don't have enough air into the inlet of the compressor). This reverse flow is what is damaging to the compressor which makes this the real issue, not the ECU not knowing about the recycled air flow. Can the aftermarket BOV located in the charge pipe work without risking damage to the compressor? Sure, but they have to be engineered correctly (which means account for the volume of air in the system and the pressure gradient and other things) and without me looking at the calculations, I would not trust my turbo's health to one. I love Gato's channel, but I'm afraid the technical reasons are not correct.
You are absolutely correct. Im no turbo genius, but i did know about that. Since you seem to know your stuff....id love to pick your brain about an issue with R16174.
thank you
yes 👍
It's amusing. I actually disagree with your statements. The valve on the civic type r is a "recirculation valve" it takes the air from the pressurised side of the compressor and recirculates it back into the intake side of the compressor, so instead of discharging the air to atmosphere, it flows round the turbo compressor. You can see this recirculation valve at 6:11 on the engine that's on the dyno. It's quite a flat disc with a pipe coming out of the middle (vacuum control line)
The rod you speak of, now that connects to an electronic actuator that is simply mounted on the outside of the compressor and has absolutely nothing to do with the compression side of the turbo. That rod goes from the actuator to the turbine side (exhaust) and is an electronically controlled waste gate.
What this guy in the video is saying about the MAF sensor and air leaving the system with a BOV is absolutely true.
I'm not sure what compression equipment you design but it is most certainly not turbos.
@@spudhead96came here to say exactly this, you are correct sir
Great video! I have a veloster N, and after a drive I can smell some gas on the oil dip stick. I can't find the issue yet and I'm not running a blow off valve. I do know my fuel trims are a bit whacky tho.
Very helpful and useful information. Thanks!
Fantastic explanation! Thank you!
Funny I was thinking about this just the other day and the video just showed up your absolutely right this is cause a rich conditions it won't destroy your motor but it will eventually kill plugs and kill power
If i run a block off plate will i run into the same problem considering the pressure is still being released through the turbo?
It’s arguable that the PRL does give an increase in power on a tuned FK8.
Which tbh all intakes require a tune
Yea I would agree with that, I think a tune would clean things up a lot in this car
Nice video, really professional video thank you.
Thanks!
Thanks for posting this. I’ve always thought manufacturers put a lot of research and engineering when developing engines which is why modding them can ruin it. Im getting a type r at the end of the year and plan on keeping 100% oem due to the rarity and pure honda engineering of those cars. Thanks 🙏
That's not a bad way to go honestly, it's the best car value under 50k
I would love an S2K but have an R... when I get the R paid off the S2k is high on my list for next vehicle
A put a prl air filter in and it sounded good. I now upgraded to the prl cool air intake. It really sounds good now. Next step ktuner.
Anything that effects airflow should definitely be tuned in order to run correctly or else you’re going to experience problems.
I feel like all I need is an Eventuri Intake for more of that whoosh sound lol. Othewrise Type R stock tune seems perfect for me....worlds better than the WRX STI stock tune.
I put a K&N panel filter and drilled a 2.5 inch hole in the bottom of the airbox and it sounds much better and you get a loud bov sound and cost me £30 . Most of the expensive Air intakes have a extra air inlet in the bottom so I just added one to the standard box works a treat.
@True-Lies84 have your picture of what you have done?
@@jasonweel3066 it's all over the forums... CivicX... Fish friend... Don't just eat a meal..
Prefer to put a cold intake filter make similar sound with bov
you can get an aftermarket bypass /bov as long as you reciculate it back to the intake also if you upgrade your turbo inlet/intake you can also get more noise out of the turbo and diverter valve
Or run a higher waste gate to rid of the compressed air
Doesn't it already recirculate though? Also, a BOV that recirculates won't make the sound nearly as loudly, which is pretty much the only reason to ever put one on this car.
Hey man love ur videos keep it up . I just had 2 new tires put on and a wheel alignment done . Now my wheel is not centered . What is happening here ? Thanks mate . From Australia
I assume it's the steering wheel not centered? When they did your alignment they didn't center the steering wheel when they were moving your tie rods around
@@FlyinGato yeah steering wheel is off to the left now . It hard to say what they did because i couldnt actually see them working on tje car . Will take it back this week and hope theu can sort it out .
Thank you for explaining this I’ve been thinking of getting a bov for my fk8 for awhile but didn’t know how it would affect the car until now
Glad I could help!
Do you not read the forums.... So many people with nice cars and shit for brains....
We've known a BOV has been bad for this car since it came out...
@@clintpopham5691 how about instead of critisizing other peoples knowlegde of cars you can go fuck yourself
Dude, no need to be disrespectful, we're all on the same team here
@@FlyinGato im all for positivity in the car community but its people like this that make me question if it really exists
If you recirculate your bov back into your intake manifold. AND REPLACE your recirculating valve, you should be ok, you’re now basically using the the bov to do the job the oem recirculating valve used to do. At least it was this way with turbo Nissans.
Also, if you don’t run a recirculating valve or bov, you actually spool faster between gears. Mainly because the turbo doesn’t have to start from scratch.
Also haha people are still using hks sqvv 20 years later?
You're correct on all accounts, and yes, they are 😉
It sounds so good though
I know, to get great sound go with the K&N intake filter, makes some really good noises
Then Wondering why peoples have to put blow-off valves in their any turbo cars
Guys, I ran an hks on my 17 civic SI for 4 years. No issues. Talked to 3 tuners and they all said the same thing. It causes you to run rich which just runs the cylinders cooler which is a good thing. I have one on my 21 type R. I removed the stock BPV and put a block off plate on it. no issues to report other than with my injen intercooler, hks charge pipes, msd blaster coils, prl CAI with race MAF and a flash pro I have a bit more torque than I need in a fwd. Some of his terminology was off. The hot side of the intercooler is the air before it's charged with the intercooler and the cold side is after the air is charged. I think he was using the exhaust side of the impeller wheel to describe the hot side which is true when you are discussing the exhaust vs intake. Too much misinformation. However, I would not put one on without a tuner. This will help reflash the ecu to get a better calculation. My next upgrade will be the hondata MAF 500. The stock MAF will not read high enough for upgraded air flow. Which is what really causes the issues because the factory MAF is limited.
I have had the HKS BOV for a month, took datalogs...no difference can be seen between running the BOV and factory pipe. I have not seen any issues not had issues with the HKS BOV at this time
Just curious if everything is still working out with your BOV?
Yes, it's been fine for months. Im not getting rid of it. I've noticed people with newer FK8 complain of issues, but they could have either installed it wrong, or the 2017 just had a different solenoid that HKS had only tested it on. Here's recent vids of it in action doing fine. I've also taken datalogs and no issues
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ua-cam.com/video/dYlovVx7Rvs/v-deo.html
@@Battlemike how has the bov been assuming you still have your car?
@@TC-rx3hv I used it for one year to see if there were any issues. I never had any issues. I was tuned though, so not sure if that was why. I sold the car last year....FL5 is next lol
Dude check Bisimotos vid about this. He ran tests and showed the air fuel values live. Hondas new ecu kept all values steady. Where are you getting this from?
yes this is true I watched that the air ratio does not change on the dyno ,vent to atmosphere!!! Whooshing!!!!
he's stupid he i think he thought put a bov on with no cold air intake figures it you draw enough more air in to open the bov ,but with a stock intake dont think that works 🤔 I have only added a bov after a cold air intake i had a 1995 gst turbo no problem greedy trust bov vent to air and my 2020 honda civic hatchback sport, my hks works great with my injen cold air intake and greedy ddr exhaust
The biggest reason people have issues is when they use the push style and have a leak. The hks shown here doesn't have that issue because its a pull system.
Talked with HKS, talked with Honda dealer, asked them questions about the BOV and pipe... Both said that it does NOT affect the engine in any bad way.... as long as you replace the pipe with the valve... which HKS does in the whole package 🤔 The whole HKS kit comes with the valve, withe the pipe and a small filter that you install on the air lines. My friend runs the Mishimoto Air Intake with the BOV valve on his FK8 since over a year now - not a single issue. My FK8 is stock and I am still confused if to get a BOV or not. Too many people, too many different opinions.
Well, think about this, you're adding complexity to the car, and spending money and time, with no positive effects, and a couple of long term negative effects. If you want the spooly boy sounds (and who doesn't), get an intake 👍😉
@@FlyinGato Hah! You will not belive it what I will write now. First of all, YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT my Friend! After watching your video and writing the previous comment, I took my keys and went to my buddy. He was changing fluids on his FK8, I told him about your point of view and forced him to make a test :p We took off the whole BOV with the pipe and pipings... The first thing we have noticed after just taking off one of the rubber lines was... a striking and almost choking smell of gas! It was ridiculous, seriously! It was almost like you were sniffing gas from the gas tank lol We took everything off and checked the spark plugs... full of grease and sh*t on them. We checked mine and they were of course crystal clear. I have pushed him a little bit more and my buddy confessed that... numerous times the car simply stalled, especially when he had the clutch pedal depressed and was reving gently the car, like on a parking lot or entering his garage. We have reinstalled the stock pipe and connected everything as original. He took the car for a spin, returned and said... I would kiss FlyinGato if I could, that Dude is a genious! The car runs smooth, does not choke, does not idle strangely and does not stall :) To sum up, you were TOTALLY RIGHT Mate, huge respect to you from my buddy and me! I will never ever install a BOV on my FK8 and a big advice to other FK8 owners, NEVER EVER install a BOV on your Type-R! The funny thing is that he has got the Mishimoto Intake installed on his car and.... the sound of the stock BOV and the turbo itself, is much, MUCH better than the BOV sound from HKS hahaha! Cheers Mate, really big respect to you!
@@Yakuuzy85 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the update!
For noise and power buy eventuri intake.
This is off topic, but in the 90’s and early 2000’s I remember people would install turbo timers, is this beneficial for the FK8?
That was because, back then, cars didn't have strategy for dealing with heat after the engine shut off. Now, ECU is smart enough to keep recirculating coolant until things cool off
FlyinGato gotcha good info to know, I was wondering that ever since I bought my fk8
What if you tune it and put bigger turbos?
Turbos plural?.... Do you even own a Fk8?...
It's single turbo.. and there are only 5 turbo options on this car.. 4 requiring extensive aftermarket fitting and 1 (soon to be 2) direct drop ins.. both would require a tune... But if you read the forums...
E85 fuel conversion (E30 specific) with a tune on stock everything will net you 380ish WHP... Direct injection systems are the limit so unless you want a 6k MOTEC system.. or hondatas fueling solution. 3k.. your stuck.. and anything after 400lb torque would recommend porting the heads building rods and a clutch.... Do the research man... I learned EVERYTHING by just sitting down and researching my 40k investment...
If you've gone as far as a bov then surely you have a hondata by now. There is an option to tell your ECM you have a bov.
Hey FlyinGato! Great video! I have a few questions regarding other modifications I am planning for my Type R. Do you have an email address I could email you at? Or should I just ask them here in the comments? Let me know, thanks so much!
Yea man, realflyingato@gmail.com
FlyinGato Thanks man! I emailed you👍
Im curious how this is how dude says when mine has a ram air intake set up it constantly receives air as long as im going faster i go more air right?
Then we have to think if someone is gonna install a bov and not tune the car to work acceptably with it
Also you act as if it’s happening for mins at a time when its much less say a second or less then its back to normal
Last but not least you didnt mention dp or hybrid valves which takes roughly 50/50 to air other to bypass which should mitigate the issue of no air but i still recommend a tune to be safer
no wonder I got a used one for free from a friend who drives the same car lol.
What about turbosmart’s bov?
Any BOV isn't recommended
It is incredible how the people ignore the engineers work.You are an inteligent person keep doing your videos.
Thanks!
What about the boomba recirculating bpv? Been looking into purchasing one but a bit skeptical!
That works better but offers no benefit, with added (slight) risk. If you want more sound get an intake or the K&N filter
Don't put shit parts in your FK8 for a sound... Save your cash buy something worth 300+ for that...
Have you exhausted your bolt on options?..
Upgrade your radiator?
Get a oil catch can yet?
Upgraded your brake lines?
Acuity shifter upgrade? Wether it's bushings or a full unit?
Change out your fluids to 1 of the 3? Penzoil platinum amsoil syncromesh? Motul?...
Do you still have the Prelude?
I do, of course, I've posted a ton of videos on my Prelude, but unfortunately, not many people watch them
@@FlyinGato i watch every single one >.< im going to try and get my community to watch your vids man they real informative. Hope to see more later!
@@FlyinGato Tbh I subbed for the prelude. I like the other content as well, but I would love to see a vid here and there on it. Totally understand though lol
Hey, I'll keep the content coming then!! I'll film a few videos tomorrow for future release 👌👌 I'll also be releasing unreleased footage of the Prelude on the track
@@FlyinGato Awesome :)
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Doesn't need a blow off valve. Just get a louder exhaust & increase performance, simple.
Intake too for spooly boy sounds
Want more louder? IC and dp.. 👍👍
Honda know engine design but I wonder why they didn't put in dual injection to prevent carbon build up? Toyota does this and their not even turbo charging their cars yet.
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from listening the bov is not open properly, you got surge back in your engine, my hks is way louder vent to atmosphere and you got a type r ,its quite ,my sport hatchback is way louder, problem not enough air in to open the bov so you definitely got turbo surge, once throttle closed went back into the engine and all that pressure ruined your turbo, air had no where to go ,did your turbo break off fins ? ???
As soon as I saw the title I clicked
Hope you enjoyed the video!
Aw man so that means I can’t get a blowoff valve
I just love that turbo sound tho
An intake goes a long way
@@FlyinGato tru
just for a sound to destroy a car .So many stupid people
@@tk4329 truth... We have known that a BOV is not good for our cars 2 months after it came.out... nobody does research on the forums... Bunch of fools with money and shit for brains...
one car that does not have the maf sensor...THE DC5 lol
Haha! Get yer BOF!
@@FlyinGato lol nah man High Reving NA. the true spirit of Honda. fuel system is almost finished. then some dc 3.2 cams and a 163 head and kinsler itbs
Man you're really doing it up, keeping the Honda spirit, I like that. To be honest with you, this was the first, and last, time I'm ever getting a Turbo gasoline powered car, NA is best
More and more I see OEMs going back to MAP setup. Checkout newer GMs and Fords
I'll have to do some research to figure out why, maybe there are better sensors now?
Your fine with a bov this is 🧢🧢🧢🧢
BOV running on a MAF tuned car stupid? You bet. Is it causing engines to fail? Nah... anti-lag, bad tuning, and methanol injection systems failing are the biggest culprits on this. I wouldn't run one because I think they are stupid even on MAP tuned cars, but i've yet to see an engine die due to one.
This explanation is not entirely correct ... If you installed the BOV, lambda falls below 0.97. i'm mechanic master in germany at BBZ and we had this so much proven at dnyo it will more gain, because of fat air / gasoline mixture
Blow off valves have always seemed so fucking dumb and pointless lol
I had a boost leak ,I blow a stock hose out and the car idle funny for a 1 min ,then the maf sensor corrected my air and my car ran ,fine with a broking hose, your not a car guy , he keep on ,lol your funny guy lol
100% not true.., there are no evidence that blow-off valve damage the engine..,
Plus.. my friend has a BOV on a typeR from brand new.., now 3 years leater, whit 90.000km.., still runing strong...no problems..
And in all GDI engines, you can smell gas in engine oil!!..
Such horrible misinformation in this video. This guy doesn’t know what hes talking about, Bisimoto debunked all the mis-information regarding bov’s and the civic si/type r. The issue of a bov causing issues with maf cars doesn’t apply to these cars because they have both maf and map, its impossible for a bov to effect afr’s of a honda period.
Even if it can compensate, there’s no reason to add a BOV, it adds nothing to performance, and I’ve seen it first hand causing issues
Wut
That my FK8 in the beginning of video by the way. more info at IG: jackalpupz . Have had the HKS BOV on for over a year, zero issues at all. I respect all "opinions" though.
@The Creole Empire Thank you! Appreciate it
thanks someone else knows cars
don't run high boost at low rpm
bovs are made to save your turbo
you don't even know your psi pressure 18-22??? I got my car dyno calibration I know I have 20.34 psi and 237lb of torgue and 210 hp I gained in my sport fk7
he's wrong about this !!!!we install blow off valves , They save your turbo!!!
no bovs where born to save your turbo, I vent to atmosphere hks every day with cold air intake and exhaust 2020 civic sport hatchback works great and get your car dyno tuned and a 27won intercooler helps and hondata ,don't just throw a bov on your car when u don't really understand turbo bro ,this is crap
The way you say, intra-cooler has me wondering if you know what youre talking about.
English is my second language, mis-pronunciations happen regularly.
@@FlyinGato it was a joke bud, 😃 maybe not funny but I was joking.
Me too 🤣👍🏼
he keeps erasing my comments
hks makes a great bov ,no not what the part does, it what yall people do you don't add your first mod as a blow off valve, that's just stupid, you install a intake first, then exhaust, then a blow off valve, then a intercooler, down pipe, then dyno tune hondata tune, next turbo up grade you install a this parts at the same time inlet pipe, turbo upgrade, maf housing, that's how its done, ass backwards to add a blow off valve first, people on UA-cam ,lol 😆
im contacting hks and tell them your ruining there name ,you should take this video down , we see you 👀
bet u run your car hard and cut the car off ,lol 😆 that will ruin your turbo engine, don't cut the engine off hot, injen cold air intake and greddy ddr exhaust ,hks bov ,hondata, dyno, 27won intercooler tuned,
so how did the hks bov break your engine???? you never say in the video gay
hks will take this video down ,this is spam and misleading
you have no compression, lol my runs great every day ,this is all lies, this is why when you run your turbo car hard ,you don't cut the car off ,right away after racing ,you can warp the turbo and you can score your cylinder walls ,see you just didn't know ,let the car run for 5mins minutes or so before your cut the car off ,no this video is complete misinformation
all lies ,this kid does not know cars , 😂😢he bought the car to be trendy then got rid off it , what real jdm enthusiasts gets rid of a type r 😮
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