Hi there, TrekCulture. I remember when Into Darkness was in production. And mention was made of Khan, and the fans world-wide actually groaned and wished HARD to leave the original TWOK the hell alone. The producers promised us time and again that they would not do a remake of TWOK. Simply put, we fans were outright betrayed. So don't put this "be careful what you wish for" stuff on us. We fought *against* that story arc. This is a case study in what happens when the studio gives the fans exactly what they DIDN'T ask for.
That was the first time I've heard of JJ Abrams and I wasn't impressed but I knew when he got ahold of Star Wars a few years later that would be a complete mess also because at the 8.5 minute mark of The Force Awakens I knew that movie was going to be trash as well as anything after it that he had anything to do with.
@@williammitchell4417 *always wanted to see a klingon juggling tribbles at a comi-con ...i'm sure someone has done it by now...a friend of mine has friends who once attended a convention dressed as a tribble hunter with a Triton that impaled tribbles in it...*
It was amazingly well done, even today the effects, the blending of camera/film graininess to match the 60's, is just beautiful and the way they went about filming an episode on top of another, it still blows my mind how they did it on a budget for a tv series
DS9 producers wising up and allowing Avery Brooks to shave his head. And with the start of season four fans finally got the Benjamin Sisko we deserved. By letting loose the “Hawk” Sisko cranked up the cool level to “11”.
I feel like Strange New Words itself should be on this list. We cried about Star Trek gettings darker and darker, and episodes not being self contained stories. They "fixed" both.
@@JimiLaPointe To be fair, in this case the crying was louder than usual and oddly enough we all seemed to agree. I would also add that the pacing of Discovery (and Picard to a lesser extent) for example leaves no time to let characters just do their thing and be themselves. The dry dock episode in SNW was awesome because we got to see how each character deals with free time and life outside a mission.
Not all of us have an issue with the supposedly "darker" series or season long story arcs. That said, Strange New Worlds is a delight and an example of brilliant casting, great stories and fun characters (both old legacy ones and new faces)
It wasn't even so much crying i think, it was more that nearly everybody just love Anson Mount as Captain Pike and they just really wanted to have more with him and Spock and No.1
The saving of season 3 gave them enough episodes to go into syndication, and that's what saved Star Trek, exposing it to new generations of viewers like me, watching after school before the parents came home and ruled the channel changer. And that makes it #1 on the list.
So you mean constitution class being called Starship Class, the Enterprise having no idea where its Engineering is, Connies capping at 250 crew, warp 10 being achieved and no WWIII, got it. (For context, in Gene Roddenberry’s original vision for TOS, there was no WWIII, humans escaped nuclear annihilation)
Speaking of Lincoln Enterprises... I bought an authorized copy of a TNG script directly from Majel Barrett Roddenberry at a 1992 convention in California. Recently ran across the photo I took of her with her big floppy hat on. Marvelous.
Speaking of the sudden conflict with the Klingons... I was a teenager in high school when DS9 was airing and I had actually missed the first hour+ of "Way of the Warrior". (It originally aired as a 2 hour episode.) I turned my TV to that channel anyway because they usually aired TNG (or was it Voyager?) after that. I turned it on just in time to watch Worf advising Sisko about cloaked Klingon warships nearby, lying in wait. This was the episode that made me a true DS9 fan, and I never missed another one after that. What a ride!!!
The original scripted ended for Star Trek (2009) was Spock Prime playing a message to him from Kirk. The message emphasized their friendship and the need for more exploration of the galaxy because of the wonders waiting to be found. Wish they had included that
my favorite moment in the episode when Dax is seriously considering getting back with her/his ex and damn the consequences is when Sisko tells Dax that if, after weighing the pros and cons she still decides this is what she wants to do that he will "back her all the way" is when I fell in love with DS9
I would have thought, that getting Strange New Worlds would be number 1. Already when people saw the Enterprise, Pike, Spock and Number One on Discovery, there was a massive tidal wave of posts online from people, that they would LOVE to finally get the lost series about when Pike commanded the Enterprise. And then some time later all of a sudden that video with Anson Mount, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijn showed up with the "We heard, we listened...." and now here we are finally having gotten the lost series.
I remember initial fan reaction to TNG was about as loved as a cargo hold full of Tribbles on a Klingon ship! "How DARE they make Star Trek without Kirk and Spock!!" was the main outcry! I was stubborn! I wasn't "converted" until the second season's "The Measure Of A Man"!
I agree, that was around the 20th Anniversary and The Voyage Home was about to be released. The announcement made the nightly news on the major networks, which was a huge thing at the time.
I absolutely _LOVED_ Lower Decks take on Captain Riker. Especially his jazz version of "engage..." "Ensign; take us to warp 5, 6, 7, 8!" (I mean, there have been "serious," by Hollywood standards, conversations about what is going to be the hip new version of Picard's "engage." Pike has "hit it." But the jazz is just primo.)
Doesn't surprise me some unstable nut jobs did this. In one of Shatner's biographies he talks about filming those scenes and Malcom would be taunting him and joking around set about how he's going to kill Kirk, so this would be all these basement dwellers would need to trigger them.
Good Morning Sean, YES DS9 bringing Worf over was Great I think the BEAST TRIBUIT WAS seeing Koloth, Kang and Kor THE DAHAR MASTERS so good to see the same actors revive their characters
Bjo Trimble's letter writing campaign not only ensured a third season, but it ensured there were enough episodes for the show to go into syndicated reruns. Those reruns that aired for years after the show's cancellation is what started to make Star Trek popular.
Too bad the third seasons wasn't as good as the first two seasons or we may have gotten a fourth season, a lot of those episodes are pure cringe. Fortunately, they did the job putting the series over the minimum number of episodes to get it in syndication and keep on life-support until the movies started.
@@JohnFourtyTwo I think that the studio just wanted to get the fans off of their backs on this, so they just created a "meh" season to shut us up. Fortunately, the fans had a lot more perseverance and we got the "Enterprise" name on the first space shuttle, the conventions and the subsequent new series and movies! 😁
How about 10 times they were horrible to us? They killed Data! they detached the warp nacelles! they killed Jadzia! They didn't leave Harry Kim in the Delta Quadrant by mistake! (that one's just for me)
Well, there was technically 'a' Harry Kim left in the delta quadrant, when Voyager was split in two through some phase-shifted thingamybob, one version of Kim was blown out into space, the other transferring from one Voyager to the other, along with baby Naomi Wildman, so, he's there, dead in space, floating alone, forever left as an Ensign... :P
I think that’s a personal view; I watched Star Trek (TOS) back in the 1960s, when the Klingons looked like Teddy Boys), a far better look than the Klingons in far later series, when they ended up looking as though they’d got melted Mars Bars on their foreheads, but again it’s personal choice.
Stamots and Dr. Culper are also one of the first couples shown serving in Starfleet together, both officers on the same ship, sharing quarters as a married couple. We saw background crew characters in TNG being married, and we even saw Kirk preside over a wedding in TOS, but Disco has two major officers and regular main characters in both a long-running personal relationship and at the same time working major positions, with risks and responsibilities, each having to worry about the other being in the path of whatever adventure was getting thrown at them that week.
Also O'Brien and Keiko, which had the distinction of being and inter-racial couple too. And they really played up their personal culture clash. I love that Stamets and Culper are just people. It's so refreshing.
You could have added in the likes of fan campaigns that got Garak to be a more major character instead of just a few episodes' side-man which he was originally intended to be.
I loved the gay relationship of discovery. No in your face look at us we are gay. Just a normal loving couple. Made me cry a few times cause they cared so much for each other.
@@williammckinney4090 A lot of people complained that the Raffi/Seven relationship felt like it came out of nowhere (allegedly the showrunners saw the two of them standing together at some presser and just said, "YES. THAT.") but their relationship banter was the absolute highlight of _Picard_.
yeah they finally learned almost 60 years later. Much like TOS did with Nichelle Nichols, and George Takei, have it them there organically (as if it's just normal part of ship life). Don't do these cringe scenes, that end up feeling like it's just a good PR scene.
While DS9 had a fun ol' time with the mirror universe, I love Enterprise's two parter so, so much! Discovery, which is a show I do love, unfortunately overdid the mirror universe and I am kinda hoping it's not explored again.
@@johnchedsey1306 I know its down to personal taste, but I loved Discovery's Mirror Universe. It was over the top, campy and violent - which was immensely entertaining for me. The fact all the cast seemed to enjoy playing their opposite persona characters added to that. The season 3 double part episode was the highlight of the season for me, seeing just how much scenery the actors could chew.
Agree... in a mirror Darkly is one of my all-time favorite episodes, including the Fantastic introduction and music. Pure gold. As a matter of fact I thought the entire Enterprise series was phenomenal, very disappointed it did not continue.
I fully support LGBTQ (i don't know the full abbreviation) rights and I'm all for their representation and inclusion in all media. However, How you do it is important. If You want it to be treated like anyone else, it has to be depicted as such. Several shows and movies seem like they're trying to beat you over the head with it(looking at you CW Supergirl). But others like CW's "The Flash" and "The 100" treated it perfectly in my opinion. Regardless of anyone's opinion about Sulu in particular being among the aforementioned media representations, the way it was SHOWN is what should matter and to me it seems like 2009 Star trek and DIS did it right.
Takei later made peace with Pegg and Cho. Recognized Pegg's point that bringing on a new LGBTQIA character would have been tokenism and that the decision to depict Sulu in a homosexual relationship was not about *him*. Also it might not even be a retcon--no reason Prime Sulu couldn't have married a woman just because Kelvin Sulu married a man.
Problem is Star Trek isn't in a bubble, it exists in our time as viewers. It kind of has to hit the audience over the head with it due to the problematic way society still treats our community. Subtly can be great, but if you're too subtle it will go over the heads of a lot of people. That being said I do thing for the most part Star Trek has handled it quite well. Two gay men in a marriage is just part of the story, no explanations needed. Non-binary characters need a little explaining because most people are still stuck in the gender binary mentality, but even then its a single sentence and everyone moves on. Heck, Gray is never stated to be trans at all (neither is Angel). And if people dislike it then that really is on them - get with the times, learn a little humanity and pay attention. Star Trek has been moralising modern society for 55 years now, so it can't be a surprise when it keeps doing it!
To be honest when Picard used his authority to give Seven a field commission of captain and command of the Stargazer at the season finale of the second season. I keep wishing for a new Star Trek show starring Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine, captain of USS Stargazer.
I loved how Stamets and Culber never felt forced, they're just another couple trying to navigate through the world together. Stamets is my favorite character in Discovery.
I loved how normal they act in Series , this feels real and the most common in a modern future setup that same sex relationship a daily thing. A loving couple with daily problems. Also wonderful portrait in The orville
Schitt’s Creek did a good job as well. I’m straight personally, but it’s nice to see that kind of loving portrayal and I can respect the writers going that route. Even my super conservative but Trek fan mom has no issue with it, which surprised me, but both Stamets and Hugh are great characters.
The "Riker to the Rescue" bit felt like a bait and switch; I thought you were going to discuss the Lower Decks Season One finale, the TRUE Riker to the Rescue moment 😁
Really. I thought I was the only one that Liked that ending. Riker to the rescue; seems plausible. And no one gives a better dressing-down than Riker. Jellico then, Oh now. "Nothing would please me more than you giving me and excuse to kick your treacherous Tal-shir ass". :)
The thing that struck me about the visit to the Rikers: Riker is is trying so hard, but the pain in that house is still palpable. And it made me feel so sad for Deana.
Your #1 entry on this list I think should get some notice. How Discovery portrays Paul Stamets and Hugh Culber in the series seems natural simply because they're portrayed as just a couple, not a gay couple. They just happen to be two guys who are in a relationship, going about life as any couple would do (other than being on a starship). I think this overpowers other portrayals in Trek (even with Dax) as well as other television series because it's not a forced narrative for equality, It's a more natural representation.
I finally caved in and watched Discovery. When I saw the Stamets and Culber characters, not once did I think "they're gay!" All I saw was a couple who really loved each other. And I found myself looking these characters more and more. I soon stopped watching Discovery when I realized the main character was a rogue idiot with a chip on her shoulders and getting away with breaking so many rules. But that's another rant for another day.
One thing I remember is Star Trek speaking out against the abandonment and mistreatment of injured veterans in society. I wish the U.S. did a better job of that in 2022.
An honorable mention should be the bevy of non main cast actors from the original series, movies and the TNG era returning to reprising their roles one more time. From the OG Klingons, John Colicos, William Campbell and Michael Ansara to the Star Trek punk, Kirk Randolph. Even in Lower Decks, side characters that would otherwise be forgotten giving fans an extra treat. The fans love some consistency in their characters.
Kind of wondering what Lower Decks will do for an episode to poke at Strange New Worlds. Thinking something along the lines of an alien race that is literally a bit nuts, in an episode called Strange New Squirrels? Nah.. probably a stupid idea, but IMHO it would just be too tempting to make the episode title play a joke with the series name.
Culber and Stamets relationship is one of the most beautiful on screen. Me and my wife are rooting for them since the beginning. We laugh, cry and suffer with them. The script and the actors are amazing and to this day, they are the only same sex couple that we feel in love with.
The LGBTQIA+ community was also represented in TNG when Riker fell for that asexual being who was then "fixed" later with proper treatment. I thought it was a good representation of how certain organizations still try to "pray the gay away". Putting the mirror up for all to see how this ridiculous practice is more harmful than helpful. This is an honorable mention as the actor was played by a woman, though the thought of having a male actor for the character was discussed.
A bungled gay allegory that became a far more effective trans allegory as the years went by. My biggest problem with it, though, is that it portrays conversion "therapy" as effective.
@@Seal0626 I can see both sides of that. On the one hand, the series inadvertently suggests that conversion "therapy" works, a belief which is both false and dangerous. On the other hand, it allowed for a truly horrific ending, in which we see that the "cure" isn't a cure at all, but the destruction of the "patient's" personality-- a good metaphor for the fact that being gay or trans is an integral part of a person, and not just some a "lifestyle" that can be changed at will.
@@waltonsimons12 oh yes, I hope everyone comes away from it with the visceral feeling that it wasn’t supposed to end like that. Trouble is I've heard of at least one family where the parents' takeaway was "See, it works. They _can_ be made straight.".
I must be about the only person who liked Nemesis from 2002. I didn't see it at the time, but having watched it a few times in the last decade, I actually like it.
@@freedanzero1078 I agree. I liked they way they closed out on Picard, with the turbo lift doors closing on him like a curtain. Fitting, since I think Encounter at Far Point opened on Picard with the turbo lift doors opening like a curtain. Curtains, since he was a Shakespearean actor.
I prefer "Nemesis" over "insurrection". The latter felt like a 2 part episode, but not in a good way. Though I'll admit that the buggy-chase was pretty fun.
The Titan rescuing the Cerritos is Trek's apology for Picard's season 1 finale, and it's spectacular. While I didn't hate the finale, I do wish Riker had ridden in on the Titan with Captain Christine Vale and a motley fleet of random Federation ships instead of the copy-paste fleet, or barring that I wish the copies had at least turned out to be "Klingon guile" in a neat callback that also explains the sheer numbers of identical ships.
that is as close to an apology as you will get from a network/film producer. I think CBS knew fans were sour about the abrupt and somewhat unceremonious end of Data in Nemesis (which is the source of most of the hate for that movie), so they gave Data a far more fitting end, to such a beloved Character.
Imo discovery should have ended with season 2. I think the mystery of what happened to discovery is more tantalising than the snooze fest that was season 3 and 4. I'm not saying that the story and plot were bad but there was so much padding. It felt like very little happened in each episode. The entirety of season 3 could have been a great 2 part season opener. Now with snw being episodic I feel like I have a complete story every week. But I would very much like an epic 2 parter
I had such high hopes for Discovery... Finally, some new Star Trek! Then it turned out to be a messy soap opera filled with melodrama, whispered dialog and crying. I watched the first four seasons with increasing disappointment, but I will not suffer through any more. They took a brilliant concept and turned into rubbish. Thankfully, Strange New Worlds gives me the old Star Trek fix I've been missing. And Lower Decks is flat-out brilliant!
They could easily retcon that copy-paste starship scene with a shot explaining it was a trick. Starfleet developed holographic decoy tech (like in VOY) and the reason it was the same ship is it’s still experimental. I’ll take that pay check now Paramount.
Sending Worf to DS9 was only part of the equation. in TNG, Klingons as a whole, while projected to have a rich history and heritage, never really got a lot of screen time and mentions beyond Worf's anecdotes. In DS9, the Klingon Heritage got a LOT of air time, especially during the Dominion War. Plus, seeing Worf command the Defiant was a huge step in the right direction for his character arc, especially after helping talk down a ship of Klingons in hibernation since the TOS Klingon War pre-treaty. DS9 quietly became the best Trek series because of their character development
One thing I've kind of headcanoned regarding the "Copy-paste" fleet, is that the fleet is not actually as big as what was shown.... because a bunch of them are probably holograms. Sorta like what Voyager did in Basics Part 1. (I think that was it)
Plus it finally gave my dude, Alan Ruck, a chance to REALLY do something with Capt. Harriman. While the visual effects were garbage, as far as I'm concerned, of Gods and Men is canon. 😁
I always thought it was stupid to cast Cumberbatch as Khan. They went from a suave Spaniard to a Brit!! Was there no one like Antonio Banderas (whom I would have cast) to play Khan Noonian Singh?
Must be hard to make these vids and pretend their is anything good in Star Trek since Voyager ended. Save yourself the time and just watch The Orville instead.
Worf going to ds9 made a huge difference. Before that it could have been Babylon 5 for all I cared… after Worf I never missed an episode and named my first son Elim and my first daughter Ezri.
Picard has nothing to do with star trek, the plots are dumb, the characters are almost like cartoonish, picard is there just to be yelled at and insulted randomly, about the diversity... there is nothing new there, but the stories were weak... I mean... picard season 2 had a "captain" smoking a cigar in the bridge and on duty... I kept waiting to see if he was also going to drik or use drugs on duty as well
One of things I didn't like about some of the modern Star Trek shows. is that they didn't fit some of the timelines. if they were going to try to show characters from before the original series. they should have made it look correct.
@@ShambrookBen Agreed, I don't speak for everyone, Picard season 3 was a huge improvement, My comment was before that aired in the UK. Stand by Discovery isn't great.
One thing I found interesting was the presence of extras in the background in TOS and TNG that wore gender bent uniforms. It largely seemed to be only in early episodes for each, but in TOS there were some women in the men's style uniforms with pants in the background and in TNG there were men in the skirt uniforms. It's not much and was never commented on but I thought it was a nice touch, particularly given the climate when those shows aired. Really, it made sense that by the 23rd and 24th centuries those things wouldn't be a big deal.
D'ye nae ken that kilts are the only truly manly garb? Seriously, fashions can change radically over comparetivly short periodes of time...e.g., see the difference between Washington's clothing and, say, Polk's....and by that time, pants suits were well on their way to general acceptance in the business world.
I personally think that latter DS9 was good Despite Worf. His constant crybaby personality and unspoken granting of special privileges beyond those of Starfleet's other officers annoyed me.
I have been thinking lately that Anson Mount might have singlehandedly saved modern Star Trek. While I think some "criticisms" of Discovery are just people who live to complain and whine and moan, the first season wasn't great and they definitely needed to rethink their approach to subsequent seasons. And it is understandable the S1 of Disco was rocky, since Bryan Fuller left and behind the scenes stuff suggests there was some scrambling to salvage the show. Bringing in Anson Mount as Captain Pike and allowing him and Ethan Peck's Spock to "soft debut" Strange New Worlds was just damned brilliant. Disco S2 is an utter delight, with their escape to the far future being a brilliant way to soft reboot the series. For the record, I was just fine that Picard S1 wasn't a TNG reboot. I enjoyed it immensely. And of course, Picard S3 should be a blast!
Discovery had one fatal flaw from the beginning, which has pretty much been fixed now. They wanted to make a junior officer (or ex-officer, as they ended up with) the main character. Which sounds good on paper until you realize that in a serious drama (unlike Lower Decks' comedy) they shouldn't be making decisions of any consequence on a regular basis, and frequently should spend the entire "episode" watching over the #3 phaser bank crew (or some other duty far-removed from the action). Seasons 1 and 2 they resorted to Dues Ex Machina mechanisms to keep her in the center of the plot. And it was a mess for it.
Well.. the Worf's addition wasn't demand from the fans, was from the studio. With the exception of "The way of the warrior" the ratings were about the same! Of course Worf's addition was great because it gave HIM depth and proper handling of his character. Other then that... the Dominion war was in the schedule anyhow it just went one season later.
Being gay myself, I love the representation in newer trek (even if all the aliens look ridiculous), but man Staments is a boring, cold character. LOVE HUGH, but Staments... I find there's not much to like.
Also with #5: Riker and the Titan saving the Ceritos; which was "Riker to the Rescue" done RIGHT, AND canonizing the Titan and it's design. How could you overlook that? Shame!
I'm with George Takei - he dislike the idea of making Sulu gay simply because he, the actor is gay in his personal life. He felt betrayed, as he, an actor, put up performance of straight character, not gay character. It's the same as if I, being hetero, was playing gay character, and then told "oh, actually you played hetero" - I would feel like "did I really put up such a bad performance, or what?"
When addressing Discovery, please to say "fans" were complaining as if all of the fandom was. I certainly wasn't. I was just ecstatic there was new Trek on the horizon! I didn't mind any of the 'issues'. (that is up until they ended up in de ridiculously far away 32nd century).
While I am not sure about this,I believe that the the ST:DS9 alien species, THE BAJORIANS were so named after BJO TRIMBLE The woman who launched the national grassroots campaign to “SAVE STAR TREK” which was a success!! Had it not been for her and her Husband, STAR TREK:TOS would’ve been CANCELLED after the first season !! It’s a shame that someone couldn’t have done the same for FIREFLY !!
No mention of the Star Trek cartoon. If it wasn't for the cartoon, it's "lunchbox", comic & graphic novel adaptations, the "Tribble and Predator" episode, insane amount of merch - I had the ENTIRE bedroom set ( which unfortunately got chocolate cookie, taco chip, and other snack things on it🤦♂️) the funding for the Live Action adaptation of the cartoon, which was 90% set ready before being cancelled, would have meant the Trek we enjoy, would not exist. A re-write of the story, swapping of characters (some did not agree with), and 60% set salvage, helped make the Motion Picture possible. I remember when Nimoy, who HATED being typecast as Spock published I am Not Spock, was due to the animated series "without notice" cancellation, as He was scared He'd get a gig. Between the series and the movie, he hosted The Coral Jungle. 1/3 of the way into it Nimoy said, "Sea Snakes Are Most Fascinating Creatures." As You would guess, EVERYONE'S JAWS DROPPED, when He said it. It aired, the media went NUTS, the Fans of Trek that Never watched that show started to, and asked for more "Spock quotes". Yes, He was miffed, as He had tried SO hard to separate himself from Spock, but He logically (🤓) decided it was due to fear, not hatred of the character. This gave Nimoy a renewed sense of pride, thanks the Fans love of not just him or even just Spock, but of the desire to hope for the "Better Future" that Eugene Wesley Roddenberry had envisioned. As You might have noticed, his middle name was Wesley. Yes, it IS Canon that Wesley Crusher's middle name is Eugene. He is Still invited. He was at the BIG WEDDING after all. As far as the Picard show.. wait and see. 🖖😎🤙
Hi there, TrekCulture. I remember when Into Darkness was in production. And mention was made of Khan, and the fans world-wide actually groaned and wished HARD to leave the original TWOK the hell alone. The producers promised us time and again that they would not do a remake of TWOK. Simply put, we fans were outright betrayed. So don't put this "be careful what you wish for" stuff on us. We fought *against* that story arc. This is a case study in what happens when the studio gives the fans exactly what they DIDN'T ask for.
ITS JUST JOHN HARRISON what’s with all this Khan business geez 😂
I actually thought that remake was actually all right, not great but rather
good .
Jar Jar abrams remakes do not exist... even as much as I think the vengeance design is interesting.. the movies still do not exist.
That was the first time I've heard of JJ Abrams and I wasn't impressed but I knew when he got ahold of Star Wars a few years later that would be a complete mess also because at the 8.5 minute mark of The Force Awakens I knew that movie was going to be trash as well as anything after it that he had anything to do with.
Agreed. Most fans didn't want Khan at all. But then they screwed by giving us a Khan in name only. Unmitigated disaster.
I think one of the most memorable things the creators did was the second Tribble episode in Deep Space Nine.
Easily the best "Fan service" episode of all time. What an absolute joy to watch!
Trials and Tribbliations was funny. They did have a Tribble episode in the animated series.👌
@@williammitchell4417 *always wanted to see a klingon juggling tribbles at a comi-con ...i'm sure someone has done it by now...a friend of mine has friends who once attended a convention dressed as a tribble hunter with a Triton that impaled tribbles in it...*
Better story than when Scotty showed up on TNG
It was amazingly well done, even today the effects, the blending of camera/film graininess to match the 60's, is just beautiful and the way they went about filming an episode on top of another, it still blows my mind how they did it on a budget for a tv series
DS9 producers wising up and allowing Avery Brooks to shave his head. And with the start of season four fans finally got the Benjamin Sisko we deserved. By letting loose the “Hawk” Sisko cranked up the cool level to “11”.
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I feel like Strange New Words itself should be on this list.
We cried about Star Trek gettings darker and darker, and episodes not being self contained stories.
They "fixed" both.
When aren’t trek fans crying about something? 😂
@@JimiLaPointe To be fair, in this case the crying was louder than usual and oddly enough we all seemed to agree.
I would also add that the pacing of Discovery (and Picard to a lesser extent) for example leaves no time to let characters just do their thing and be themselves. The dry dock episode in SNW was awesome because we got to see how each character deals with free time and life outside a mission.
Not all of us have an issue with the supposedly "darker" series or season long story arcs. That said, Strange New Worlds is a delight and an example of brilliant casting, great stories and fun characters (both old legacy ones and new faces)
Did they though? Perhaps for now. Whether or not it stays that way remains to be seen. Much like Q said "the trial never ends".
It wasn't even so much crying i think, it was more that nearly everybody just love Anson Mount as Captain Pike and they just really wanted to have more with him and Spock and No.1
The saving of season 3 gave them enough episodes to go into syndication, and that's what saved Star Trek, exposing it to new generations of viewers like me, watching after school before the parents came home and ruled the channel changer. And that makes it #1 on the list.
Had it not made syndication, most people under 70 would never have heard of it. It wasn't for the buzz over Spock, I doubt it gets a second season
@@zonker845 I watched reruns in the early 80s as a little kid, well when I say I did, it was actually dad watching and I watched too.
@@GerardKean I remember my father and older brother watching it on its original run when I was 7 or 8
Nostalgia bait is NOT what fans want. Respecting cannon IN THE STORY not just the casting is what is wanted. Bad reboots need not apply.
So you mean constitution class being called Starship Class, the Enterprise having no idea where its Engineering is, Connies capping at 250 crew, warp 10 being achieved and no WWIII, got it. (For context, in Gene Roddenberry’s original vision for TOS, there was no WWIII, humans escaped nuclear annihilation)
You can tell this comment was before Picard season 3… a complete redemption
Speaking of Lincoln Enterprises... I bought an authorized copy of a TNG script directly from Majel Barrett Roddenberry at a 1992 convention in California. Recently ran across the photo I took of her with her big floppy hat on. Marvelous.
I miss seeing Majel every year in Vegas :(
Speaking of the sudden conflict with the Klingons... I was a teenager in high school when DS9 was airing and I had actually missed the first hour+ of "Way of the Warrior". (It originally aired as a 2 hour episode.) I turned my TV to that channel anyway because they usually aired TNG (or was it Voyager?) after that. I turned it on just in time to watch Worf advising Sisko about cloaked Klingon warships nearby, lying in wait. This was the episode that made me a true DS9 fan, and I never missed another one after that. What a ride!!!
The original scripted ended for Star Trek (2009) was Spock Prime playing a message to him from Kirk. The message emphasized their friendship and the need for more exploration of the galaxy because of the wonders waiting to be found. Wish they had included that
"They only thing in space is things that need to be exploded!" -Abbrams, probably.
They replaced it with Spock talking to his younger self, hinting that his friendship with the young Kirk would.have the same effect
"And then Into Darkness came around"
I literally laughed out loud 🤣
my favorite moment in the episode when Dax is seriously considering getting back with her/his ex and damn the consequences is when Sisko tells Dax that if, after weighing the pros and cons she still decides this is what she wants to do that he will "back her all the way" is when I fell in love with DS9
I would have thought, that getting Strange New Worlds would be number 1.
Already when people saw the Enterprise, Pike, Spock and Number One on Discovery, there was a massive tidal wave of posts online from people, that they would LOVE to finally get the lost series about when Pike commanded the Enterprise.
And then some time later all of a sudden that video with Anson Mount, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijn showed up with the "We heard, we listened...." and now here we are finally having gotten the lost series.
100% agree.
You missed the biggest one, the next generation. It was because of fan demand that brought this about.
I remember initial fan reaction to TNG was about as loved as a cargo hold full of Tribbles on a Klingon ship! "How DARE they make Star Trek without Kirk and Spock!!" was the main outcry! I was stubborn! I wasn't "converted" until the second season's "The Measure Of A Man"!
I agree, that was around the 20th Anniversary and The Voyage Home was about to be released. The announcement made the nightly news on the major networks, which was a huge thing at the time.
I absolutely _LOVED_ Lower Decks take on Captain Riker. Especially his jazz version of "engage..."
"Ensign; take us to warp 5, 6, 7, 8!"
(I mean, there have been "serious," by Hollywood standards, conversations about what is going to be the hip new version of Picard's "engage." Pike has "hit it." But the jazz is just primo.)
Yes! And always putting one leg on something!
I still shake my head thinking of how Malcolm McDowell got death threats because Soran killed Kirk.
Doesn't surprise me some unstable nut jobs did this. In one of Shatner's biographies he talks about filming those scenes and Malcom would be taunting him and joking around set about how he's going to kill Kirk, so this would be all these basement dwellers would need to trigger them.
Good Morning Sean, YES DS9 bringing Worf over was Great I think the BEAST TRIBUIT WAS seeing Koloth, Kang and Kor THE DAHAR MASTERS so good to see the same actors revive their characters
Bjo Trimble's letter writing campaign not only ensured a third season, but it ensured there were enough episodes for the show to go into syndicated reruns. Those reruns that aired for years after the show's cancellation is what started to make Star Trek popular.
Too bad the third seasons wasn't as good as the first two seasons or we may have gotten a fourth season, a lot of those episodes are pure cringe. Fortunately, they did the job putting the series over the minimum number of episodes to get it in syndication and keep on life-support until the movies started.
@@JohnFourtyTwo I think that the studio just wanted to get the fans off of their backs on this, so they just created a "meh" season to shut us up. Fortunately, the fans had a lot more perseverance and we got the "Enterprise" name on the first space shuttle, the conventions and the subsequent new series and movies! 😁
@@theodorehaverson5079 Agreed 💯👍
Wait...wasn't Strange New Worlds a result of the positive clamour from Anson Mount's excellent portrayal of Captain Pike in season 2 of Discovery?
How about 10 times they were horrible to us? They killed Data! they detached the warp nacelles! they killed Jadzia! They didn't leave Harry Kim in the Delta Quadrant by mistake! (that one's just for me)
😂😂😂
Kes, Kes, and the not Klingons.
Well, there was technically 'a' Harry Kim left in the delta quadrant, when Voyager was split in two through some phase-shifted thingamybob, one version of Kim was blown out into space, the other transferring from one Voyager to the other, along with baby Naomi Wildman, so, he's there, dead in space, floating alone, forever left as an Ensign... :P
I liked Harry lol. Especially last season Harry.
@@killwalker me too. I loved his character development
Funny enoough for being brought over, Worf was always better and way more respected in DS9
Because DS9 had lapse discipline! Prune juice on duty? get back to work!
I think that’s a personal view; I watched Star Trek (TOS) back in the 1960s, when the Klingons looked like Teddy Boys), a far better look than the Klingons in far later series, when they ended up looking as though they’d got melted Mars Bars on their foreheads, but again it’s personal choice.
Stamots and Dr. Culper are also one of the first couples shown serving in Starfleet together, both officers on the same ship, sharing quarters as a married couple. We saw background crew characters in TNG being married, and we even saw Kirk preside over a wedding in TOS, but Disco has two major officers and regular main characters in both a long-running personal relationship and at the same time working major positions, with risks and responsibilities, each having to worry about the other being in the path of whatever adventure was getting thrown at them that week.
Worf and Dax, on DS9, showed that side of the service, as well. It's good to see more personal relationships forming like that.
Also O'Brien and Keiko, which had the distinction of being and inter-racial couple too. And they really played up their personal culture clash. I love that Stamets and Culper are just people. It's so refreshing.
You could have added in the likes of fan campaigns that got Garak to be a more major character instead of just a few episodes' side-man which he was originally intended to be.
that's awesome! I didn't know that, thanks for sharing!
I loved the gay relationship of discovery. No in your face look at us we are gay. Just a normal loving couple. Made me cry a few times cause they cared so much for each other.
I like how Picard set up a relationship between Seven and Raffi that felt organic instead of being forced or fanservice.
@@williammckinney4090 A lot of people complained that the Raffi/Seven relationship felt like it came out of nowhere (allegedly the showrunners saw the two of them standing together at some presser and just said, "YES. THAT.") but their relationship banter was the absolute highlight of _Picard_.
yeah they finally learned almost 60 years later. Much like TOS did with Nichelle Nichols, and George Takei, have it them there organically (as if it's just normal part of ship life). Don't do these cringe scenes, that end up feeling like it's just a good PR scene.
I think they should have hired Kevin Spacey at the as the gay doctor on that Star Trek discovery
I'd say Enterprise's In a Mirror Darkly was a huge thing I didn't know I needed. Those two episodes were sick and that intro nailed it.
Agreed :) absolute gold! easily the best of the mirror universe stories!
While DS9 had a fun ol' time with the mirror universe, I love Enterprise's two parter so, so much! Discovery, which is a show I do love, unfortunately overdid the mirror universe and I am kinda hoping it's not explored again.
@@johnchedsey1306 I know its down to personal taste, but I loved Discovery's Mirror Universe. It was over the top, campy and violent - which was immensely entertaining for me. The fact all the cast seemed to enjoy playing their opposite persona characters added to that. The season 3 double part episode was the highlight of the season for me, seeing just how much scenery the actors could chew.
Agree... in a mirror Darkly is one of my all-time favorite episodes, including the Fantastic introduction and music. Pure gold.
As a matter of fact I thought the entire Enterprise series was phenomenal, very disappointed it did not continue.
I fully support LGBTQ (i don't know the full abbreviation) rights and I'm all for their representation and inclusion in all media. However, How you do it is important. If You want it to be treated like anyone else, it has to be depicted as such. Several shows and movies seem like they're trying to beat you over the head with it(looking at you CW Supergirl). But others like CW's "The Flash" and "The 100" treated it perfectly in my opinion. Regardless of anyone's opinion about Sulu in particular being among the aforementioned media representations, the way it was SHOWN is what should matter and to me it seems like 2009 Star trek and DIS did it right.
Takei later made peace with Pegg and Cho. Recognized Pegg's point that bringing on a new LGBTQIA character would have been tokenism and that the decision to depict Sulu in a homosexual relationship was not about *him*.
Also it might not even be a retcon--no reason Prime Sulu couldn't have married a woman just because Kelvin Sulu married a man.
Problem is Star Trek isn't in a bubble, it exists in our time as viewers. It kind of has to hit the audience over the head with it due to the problematic way society still treats our community. Subtly can be great, but if you're too subtle it will go over the heads of a lot of people.
That being said I do thing for the most part Star Trek has handled it quite well. Two gay men in a marriage is just part of the story, no explanations needed. Non-binary characters need a little explaining because most people are still stuck in the gender binary mentality, but even then its a single sentence and everyone moves on. Heck, Gray is never stated to be trans at all (neither is Angel).
And if people dislike it then that really is on them - get with the times, learn a little humanity and pay attention. Star Trek has been moralising modern society for 55 years now, so it can't be a surprise when it keeps doing it!
I always wanted a half hour sitcom with Garrak and Dukat as roommates on DS9.
Worf coulda been the “uptight landlord”.
Ds9 is still my favorite show of all time.. the crew, the story. Everything was amazing in that show
To be honest when Picard used his authority to give Seven a field commission of captain and command of the Stargazer at the season finale of the second season. I keep wishing for a new Star Trek show starring Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine, captain of USS Stargazer.
Well, not wuite...I would like to see Anika command Stargazer....😎
I loved how Stamets and Culber never felt forced, they're just another couple trying to navigate through the world together. Stamets is my favorite character in Discovery.
I loved how normal they act in Series , this feels real and the most common in a modern future setup that same sex relationship a daily thing. A loving couple with daily problems.
Also wonderful portrait in The orville
Schitt’s Creek did a good job as well. I’m straight personally, but it’s nice to see that kind of loving portrayal and I can respect the writers going that route. Even my super conservative but Trek fan mom has no issue with it, which surprised me, but both Stamets and Hugh are great characters.
Gay
100% correct
The "Riker to the Rescue" bit felt like a bait and switch; I thought you were going to discuss the Lower Decks Season One finale, the TRUE Riker to the Rescue moment 😁
Agreed, a good candidate for one of the best moments from Lower Decks.
Riker shows up and threatens the romulans...I punched the air and said, "Cool!" 😅😅
Really. I thought I was the only one that Liked that ending. Riker to the rescue; seems plausible. And no one gives a better dressing-down than Riker. Jellico then, Oh now. "Nothing would please me more than you giving me and excuse to kick your treacherous Tal-shir ass". :)
Not gonna lie, Sean looks pretty cool in the Red Command Outfit.
It just works.
Its also helps the Wilson Cruz is just awesome in the roll
And hot AF.
@@VuotoPneumaNN Even as a lesbian I agree. The man is just a complete snack, and I think he knows it.
The thing that struck me about the visit to the Rikers: Riker is is trying so hard, but the pain in that house is still palpable. And it made me feel so sad for Deana.
Your #1 entry on this list I think should get some notice. How Discovery portrays Paul Stamets and Hugh Culber in the series seems natural simply because they're portrayed as just a couple, not a gay couple. They just happen to be two guys who are in a relationship, going about life as any couple would do (other than being on a starship). I think this overpowers other portrayals in Trek (even with Dax) as well as other television series because it's not a forced narrative for equality, It's a more natural representation.
I finally caved in and watched Discovery. When I saw the Stamets and Culber characters, not once did I think "they're gay!" All I saw was a couple who really loved each other. And I found myself looking these characters more and more. I soon stopped watching Discovery when I realized the main character was a rogue idiot with a chip on her shoulders and getting away with breaking so many rules. But that's another rant for another day.
@@crisespinoza1979 No that's an ongoing rant for any day ;-)
One thing I remember is Star Trek speaking out against the abandonment and mistreatment of injured veterans in society. I wish the U.S. did a better job of that in 2022.
Exactly what are you talking about?
My father literally watched one of those episodes last night - TNG's "The Hunted". Very big post-Vietnam (or post Gulf War?) feels.
@@joshwilliams8863 post-Vietnam. The first Persian Gulf war hadn't started yet by the time the episode was in production.
An honorable mention should be the bevy of non main cast actors from the original series, movies and the TNG era returning to reprising their roles one more time. From the OG Klingons, John Colicos, William Campbell and Michael Ansara to the Star Trek punk, Kirk Randolph. Even in Lower Decks, side characters that would otherwise be forgotten giving fans an extra treat. The fans love some consistency in their characters.
Kind of wondering what Lower Decks will do for an episode to poke at Strange New Worlds. Thinking something along the lines of an alien race that is literally a bit nuts, in an episode called Strange New Squirrels? Nah.. probably a stupid idea, but IMHO it would just be too tempting to make the episode title play a joke with the series name.
Culber and Stamets relationship is one of the most beautiful on screen. Me and my wife are rooting for them since the beginning. We laugh, cry and suffer with them. The script and the actors are amazing and to this day, they are the only same sex couple that we feel in love with.
The LGBTQIA+ community was also represented in TNG when Riker fell for that asexual being who was then "fixed" later with proper treatment. I thought it was a good representation of how certain organizations still try to "pray the gay away". Putting the mirror up for all to see how this ridiculous practice is more harmful than helpful. This is an honorable mention as the actor was played by a woman, though the thought of having a male actor for the character was discussed.
A bungled gay allegory that became a far more effective trans allegory as the years went by. My biggest problem with it, though, is that it portrays conversion "therapy" as effective.
@@Seal0626 I can see both sides of that. On the one hand, the series inadvertently suggests that conversion "therapy" works, a belief which is both false and dangerous. On the other hand, it allowed for a truly horrific ending, in which we see that the "cure" isn't a cure at all, but the destruction of the "patient's" personality-- a good metaphor for the fact that being gay or trans is an integral part of a person, and not just some a "lifestyle" that can be changed at will.
@@waltonsimons12 oh yes, I hope everyone comes away from it with the visceral feeling that it wasn’t supposed to end like that. Trouble is I've heard of at least one family where the parents' takeaway was "See, it works. They _can_ be made straight.".
@@Seal0626 Yikes! That sucks, to the say the least. I hope their kids didn't suffer as a result.
@@waltonsimons12 in this case I don't think so, but I wouldn't assume that it was a unique interpretation of the ending.
Spoiled for choice and none of them remotely good
Highly successful kelvin films?
Hahaha. You made me laugh. Thanks.
I know a lot of people hate on disco but I actually really like it. Culber, Stammets and Saru are my favorite characters on that series
Ok, but it’s Star Trek in name only.
@@jasonschlierman412 thanks?
@@jasonschlierman412
You mean just like TOS in comprarison with TNG or TOS in comparison with the first movies? 😂
@@jasonschlierman412 What was this response even trying to say? “You can like it, but that means you don’t actually like Star Trek”?
@@jonpotter9510 Seems rather straight forward when you say it. Not complicated at all.
I must be about the only person who liked Nemesis from 2002. I didn't see it at the time, but having watched it a few times in the last decade, I actually like it.
Nemesis has its problems, but I rather enjoy it, too. Tom Hardy is great as Shinzon, and I thought it was a nice sendoff to the TNG crew.
@@freedanzero1078 I agree. I liked they way they closed out on Picard, with the turbo lift doors closing on him like a curtain. Fitting, since I think Encounter at Far Point opened on Picard with the turbo lift doors opening like a curtain. Curtains, since he was a Shakespearean actor.
I prefer "Nemesis" over "insurrection". The latter felt like a 2 part episode, but not in a good way. Though I'll admit that the buggy-chase was pretty fun.
TrekCulture not giving us what we want: to see Seán 🥺
But we did get to see Sean. We even got to see a mutated Sean of 9 thing... horrid. :)
The Titan rescuing the Cerritos is Trek's apology for Picard's season 1 finale, and it's spectacular. While I didn't hate the finale, I do wish Riker had ridden in on the Titan with Captain Christine Vale and a motley fleet of random Federation ships instead of the copy-paste fleet, or barring that I wish the copies had at least turned out to be "Klingon guile" in a neat callback that also explains the sheer numbers of identical ships.
I almost cried at the death of Data, he was a like an old friend
Brent Spiner did that to us. He campaigned for years to kill Data, he thinks it's funny that it broke the heart of millions.
@@JohnnyWednesday Oh yep I know about his campaigning but I always kind of thought that he would of wanted to of played Data more than he did
that is as close to an apology as you will get from a network/film producer. I think CBS knew fans were sour about the abrupt and somewhat unceremonious end of Data in Nemesis (which is the source of most of the hate for that movie), so they gave Data a far more fitting end, to such a beloved Character.
“10 times Star Trek gave Fans exactly what they wanted” … *Preview shows scene from Discovery* - you’re definitely wrong there.
Imo discovery should have ended with season 2. I think the mystery of what happened to discovery is more tantalising than the snooze fest that was season 3 and 4. I'm not saying that the story and plot were bad but there was so much padding. It felt like very little happened in each episode. The entirety of season 3 could have been a great 2 part season opener. Now with snw being episodic I feel like I have a complete story every week. But I would very much like an epic 2 parter
I had such high hopes for Discovery... Finally, some new Star Trek! Then it turned out to be a messy soap opera filled with melodrama, whispered dialog and crying. I watched the first four seasons with increasing disappointment, but I will not suffer through any more. They took a brilliant concept and turned into rubbish. Thankfully, Strange New Worlds gives me the old Star Trek fix I've been missing. And Lower Decks is flat-out brilliant!
They could easily retcon that copy-paste starship scene with a shot explaining it was a trick. Starfleet developed holographic decoy tech (like in VOY) and the reason it was the same ship is it’s still experimental. I’ll take that pay check now Paramount.
I love that the finale was such an embarrassment _Star Trek: Online_ called them up and offered to do their ship design for Season 2.
Worf grinning like that is scary
God it’s not just me 😭 I imagine that’s Michael Dorn starting to laugh but the makeup makes its scary af
Sending Worf to DS9 was only part of the equation. in TNG, Klingons as a whole, while projected to have a rich history and heritage, never really got a lot of screen time and mentions beyond Worf's anecdotes. In DS9, the Klingon Heritage got a LOT of air time, especially during the Dominion War. Plus, seeing Worf command the Defiant was a huge step in the right direction for his character arc, especially after helping talk down a ship of Klingons in hibernation since the TOS Klingon War pre-treaty.
DS9 quietly became the best Trek series because of their character development
How about LEAVE PRELUDE TO AXANAR ALONE and let them produce that film in it's entirety..
One thing I've kind of headcanoned regarding the "Copy-paste" fleet, is that the fleet is not actually as big as what was shown.... because a bunch of them are probably holograms. Sorta like what Voyager did in Basics Part 1. (I think that was it)
The only thing I know about that fleet is some ships were created for Star Trek Online. I'm fine with just that info.
Could of also built tons of these ships to move Romulan refugees.
Seven and Raffi doing a Waldorf and Statler -type thing.... File that under "NEEDS TO HAPPEN"
Have you watched the StarTrek fan film Of Gods and Men with various actors from multiple Star Treks? I thought that was pretty damn decent.
Plus it finally gave my dude, Alan Ruck, a chance to REALLY do something with Capt. Harriman. While the visual effects were garbage, as far as I'm concerned, of Gods and Men is canon. 😁
Yeah I agree,those movies were done on the cheap but they are good,need more stuff like that
I always thought it was stupid to cast Cumberbatch as Khan. They went from a suave Spaniard to a Brit!! Was there no one like Antonio Banderas (whom I would have cast) to play Khan Noonian Singh?
Must be hard to make these vids and pretend their is anything good in Star Trek since Voyager ended.
Save yourself the time and just watch The Orville instead.
Perfect timing, still on my lunch break. Lol
GET BACK TO WORK SLACKER!!!!!!
JK I'm on break too 🤣 Cheers
Stammets and Colber are just such a cute couple and i agree that its awesome that they are just...there.....its no big deal for anybody :D
Worf going to ds9 made a huge difference. Before that it could have been Babylon 5 for all I cared… after Worf I never missed an episode and named my first son Elim and my first daughter Ezri.
Strange New Worlds. What a breath of fresh air. Discovery and Picard really did not do it for me at all.
"We're kinda spoiled for choice right now"
but not quality
Picard has nothing to do with star trek, the plots are dumb, the characters are almost like cartoonish, picard is there just to be yelled at and insulted randomly, about the diversity... there is nothing new there, but the stories were weak... I mean... picard season 2 had a "captain" smoking a cigar in the bridge and on duty... I kept waiting to see if he was also going to drik or use drugs on duty as well
Klingon redesign sucks
With respect to merchandising, I'd love a list that would include some explanation of the Spock helmet!
Why do you need an explanation? It's a helmet, just like the one Spock wore throughout most of the series.
The Star Trek Flamethrower warrants some scrutiny...
Mirror universe Kira is EXACTLY what this fan wanted....
One of things I didn't like about some of the modern Star Trek shows. is that they didn't fit some of the timelines. if they were going to try to show characters from before the original series. they should have made it look correct.
Hi ... Btw
Where are klingons in discovery 's 32nd century?
Discovery is horrible. Picard is unwatchable.
JJ Abrams just made a newer worse version of an older much better movie?
I’m shocked
/s
The fans wanted a post Voyager show set in the prime universe, they didn't want any alternative timeline nonsense.
"10 Times Star Trek Gave Fans EXACTLY What They Wanted" ... Picard and Discovery is NOT what we wanted, this channel is a bit out of touch sometimes.
It's what I want. Maybe you don't speak for every fan?
It's what I want. Maybe you don't speak for every fan?
@@ShambrookBen Agreed, I don't speak for everyone, Picard season 3 was a huge improvement, My comment was before that aired in the UK. Stand by Discovery isn't great.
"highly popular kelvin films" - what...?
I would like to see the disabled, or differently abled, represented more often.
Does CBS pay these guys to promote the new shows? Seems like there is a bias.
One thing I found interesting was the presence of extras in the background in TOS and TNG that wore gender bent uniforms. It largely seemed to be only in early episodes for each, but in TOS there were some women in the men's style uniforms with pants in the background and in TNG there were men in the skirt uniforms. It's not much and was never commented on but I thought it was a nice touch, particularly given the climate when those shows aired. Really, it made sense that by the 23rd and 24th centuries those things wouldn't be a big deal.
D'ye nae ken that kilts are the only truly manly garb? Seriously, fashions can change radically over comparetivly short periodes of time...e.g., see the difference between Washington's clothing and, say, Polk's....and by that time, pants suits were well on their way to general acceptance in the business world.
I personally think that latter DS9 was good Despite Worf. His constant crybaby personality and unspoken granting of special privileges beyond those of Starfleet's other officers annoyed me.
Sean, you are not 7 of 9. that's nightmare fuel lmao
Riker's ships arriving is a total bluff, just like Picard had just attempted. That's why it's one design.
Imagine a reboot in your face…forever.
I'm surprised Cetacean Ops were not mentioned, even in passing.
I have been thinking lately that Anson Mount might have singlehandedly saved modern Star Trek. While I think some "criticisms" of Discovery are just people who live to complain and whine and moan, the first season wasn't great and they definitely needed to rethink their approach to subsequent seasons. And it is understandable the S1 of Disco was rocky, since Bryan Fuller left and behind the scenes stuff suggests there was some scrambling to salvage the show. Bringing in Anson Mount as Captain Pike and allowing him and Ethan Peck's Spock to "soft debut" Strange New Worlds was just damned brilliant. Disco S2 is an utter delight, with their escape to the far future being a brilliant way to soft reboot the series.
For the record, I was just fine that Picard S1 wasn't a TNG reboot. I enjoyed it immensely. And of course, Picard S3 should be a blast!
its a crap show simple as that
Discovery had one fatal flaw from the beginning, which has pretty much been fixed now. They wanted to make a junior officer (or ex-officer, as they ended up with) the main character. Which sounds good on paper until you realize that in a serious drama (unlike Lower Decks' comedy) they shouldn't be making decisions of any consequence on a regular basis, and frequently should spend the entire "episode" watching over the #3 phaser bank crew (or some other duty far-removed from the action). Seasons 1 and 2 they resorted to Dues Ex Machina mechanisms to keep her in the center of the plot. And it was a mess for it.
Discovery turned into a soap opera full of whispered dialog, crying and melodrama. I'm bitterly disappointed with how it has squandered its promise.
Strange New Worlds is another gift. The casting works brilliantly
My only criticism....... 10 episodes
We need more for S2 and beyond
It is fantastic, love every episode. Dang season one went by so fast
6:00 I think many of us wanted to see the Titan. But I guess we got to see that in Lower Decks.
Next time: use same title, but add "and were still mad"
jj brought us his vision and we couldn't see it due to the lens flares
Well.. the Worf's addition wasn't demand from the fans, was from the studio. With the exception of "The way of the warrior" the ratings were about the same! Of course Worf's addition was great because it gave HIM depth and proper handling of his character. Other then that... the Dominion war was in the schedule anyhow it just went one season later.
Sorry, but Picard is crap
Thank you Sean and trek culture!!!
Being gay myself, I love the representation in newer trek (even if all the aliens look ridiculous), but man Staments is a boring, cold character. LOVE HUGH, but Staments... I find there's not much to like.
Discovery sucks!!
Bonk bonk on the head 🤪
Also with #5: Riker and the Titan saving the Ceritos; which was "Riker to the Rescue" done RIGHT, AND canonizing the Titan and it's design. How could you overlook that? Shame!
Wasn't Dr. Crusher's return in season three also the fulfillment of a fan request?
She was more likable than the other Dr.
I'm with George Takei - he dislike the idea of making Sulu gay simply because he, the actor is gay in his personal life.
He felt betrayed, as he, an actor, put up performance of straight character, not gay character.
It's the same as if I, being hetero, was playing gay character, and then told "oh, actually you played hetero" - I would feel like "did I really put up such a bad performance, or what?"
When addressing Discovery, please to say "fans" were complaining as if all of the fandom was. I certainly wasn't. I was just ecstatic there was new Trek on the horizon! I didn't mind any of the 'issues'. (that is up until they ended up in de ridiculously far away 32nd century).
While I am not sure about this,I believe that the the ST:DS9 alien species, THE BAJORIANS were so named after
BJO TRIMBLE The woman who launched the national grassroots campaign to “SAVE STAR TREK” which was a success!! Had it not been for her and her Husband, STAR TREK:TOS would’ve been CANCELLED after the first season !! It’s a shame that someone couldn’t have done the same for FIREFLY !!
No mention of the Star Trek cartoon.
If it wasn't for the cartoon, it's "lunchbox", comic & graphic novel adaptations, the "Tribble and Predator" episode, insane amount of merch - I had the ENTIRE bedroom set ( which unfortunately got chocolate cookie, taco chip, and other snack things on it🤦♂️) the funding for the Live Action adaptation of the cartoon, which was 90% set ready before being cancelled, would have meant the Trek we enjoy, would not exist. A re-write of the story, swapping of characters (some did not agree with), and 60% set salvage, helped make the Motion Picture possible.
I remember when Nimoy, who HATED being typecast as Spock published I am Not Spock, was due to the animated series "without notice" cancellation, as He was scared He'd get a gig. Between the series and the movie, he hosted The Coral Jungle. 1/3 of the way into it Nimoy said, "Sea Snakes Are Most Fascinating Creatures." As You would guess, EVERYONE'S JAWS DROPPED, when He said it. It aired, the media went NUTS, the Fans of Trek that Never watched that show started to, and asked for more "Spock quotes". Yes, He was miffed, as He had tried SO hard to separate himself from Spock, but He logically (🤓) decided it was due to fear, not hatred of the character. This gave Nimoy a renewed sense of pride, thanks the Fans love of not just him or even just Spock, but of the desire to hope for the "Better Future" that Eugene Wesley Roddenberry had envisioned. As You might have noticed, his middle name was Wesley. Yes, it IS Canon that Wesley Crusher's middle name is Eugene. He is Still invited. He was at the BIG WEDDING after all. As far as the Picard show.. wait and see. 🖖😎🤙
DISCOVERY GAVE NOTHING I wanted . Poor continutiny , poor prosthetics , fake cgi green skin Orions . Poor writing in general.