Less fun fact about Mae Jemison, she came to a city near me within the last few years and I didn't go to see her. And now I'm forever kicking myself for not meeting an astronaut.
I really don't know why anyone would get up in arms about what Tasha said. "I hope you never do." Is not anywhere close to 'Just say no!' It's really no different than if a parent who had lost a child spoke to another adult about children, and if that adult said something like, 'I don't know what I'd do, or how I'd keep going' and the parent said, 'I hope you never have to find out.' They aren't saying, 'don't have kids', it's literally wishful thinking, hoping the other person never needs to know that struggle and pain. And honestly, to me at least, it seems like the only people who could, and would, get upset about what Tasha said, are coming from an EXTREMELY privileged life where they've basically never suffered a single hardship in their life.
Yeah, I really don't get where that connection might come from. Not having a good easy answer for our young boy is not endorsing a simplistic view of the subject.
I think it's the opposite: leftists hate Tasha's statement b/c it implies cooperation or collaboration with Reagan's anti-drug messaging, and Reagan is Satan according to leftists so everything he supported must be opposed. To me it came off as quite clunky, almost like one of those "after school special" moments, but otherwise rather harmless.
Gotta agree that "I hope you never do" was just her way of telling him that it's not something you want to experience. Maybe she had a little more experience with drugs than she let on but didn't want to discuss that part of her life with a teenager.
The board of directors of Desilu very much opposed the proposal for Star Trek. Lucy kept insisting the show had great potential. She overruled the majority on the board and the show was made.
Thanks so much for the segment on Merritt Buttrick. I went to high school with Merritt. He was such a nice person, and a wonderful actor.!I have no doubt that if not for his tragic death he would have become a superstar.
Hello Sean, the one Vulcan in Carbon Creek that loved Lucy stayed behind so he could go to California and meet her. Theoretically he would meet her and then give her the idea for Star Trek and then they’ll be a full circle. Happy new year!
Mestrel in 'Carbon Creek'. T'Mir and Stron returned to Vulcan. I thought I saw Stron on the ship (Varkara?) that was supposed to rescue Seleya on that video Soval showed Archer and others, but the Vulcans all became zombies and were murdering each other.
That would make sense but T'mir showing velcro was late so 🤷 um someone needs to fix the timelines again. But yeah giving the idea for star trek would have been great and the first Vulcan seen in a studio under hush hush condition so Gene Roddenberry would see his first real alien. Cool huh
Need to shout out Khan Singh being named after a war buddy that Roddenberry lost contact with and hoped naming the character would help reestablish the friendship
@@mrcritical6751 As far as I know, it didn't. That's why he tried a second time in TNG's first season, naming Data's creator Dr Noonian Soong after having tried with Noonian Singh for Khan...
Just taking a moment to give props to Seán for hosting these videos. Always delivered professionally and with enthusiasm for the topic. I could listen to him explain anything and I'm confident it would be interesting. 👍👍
@@johnbockelie3899 He probably learned to cut his own hair with a laser scalpel or something. Reminder: Riker is Star Fleet. He probably kept up a military regimen as best as possible to keep himself sane.
@@ficialintelligence1869 "Oh great, now I'm really beside myself." Commander Riker on discovering his transporter duplicate. "Take your pick, Counselor Troi, William Riker, or his duplicate , Thomas Riker." Dr. McCoy would have liked this situation.
I don't skip many episodes on a rewatch, but 'Carbon kreek' is one of them. It represents the worst things about prequels: retcon established history. And I think it's a boring episode. That's my opinion.
The middle R in Kirk's name standards for Racquetball. That's what Mitchell called him as a joke after Kirk himself, after Mitchell asked him if he plays, says "My middle name is Racquetball" Start Trek novels: My Brother's Keeper -- Republic
That detail *should* be surprising to you, because it isn’t true. Some fans have speculated that the Enterprise-A was an existing starship hastily renamed. But nothing in the films ever even suggest that, and in the following film Scotty calls it a “new ship put together by monkeys” to explain how nothing works. Couple of the items on this least are reaches. This one goes beyond that into fanfic.
@@TheChancellor212 It isn't canon but Roddenberry was the one that suggested that the new Enterprise seen beginning with the end of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home was originally named the Yorktown. I never thought this sounded like a good idea or something they would do, as the Yorktown must have had its own accomplishments and taking its name away seems disrespectful. but perhaps it was a newly built Yorktown yet commissioned and so they changed the name to replace the Enterprise that was just lost rather than wait for a new ship to be built.
I so love watching your videos on Star Trek. I was blown away by the basic thing behind Star Trek: that we CAN get along with other races, worlds and ideologies. The curiosity about other worlds was so wonderful. So, what I'm leading up to is that your Star Trek lectures are things I pay attention to without ever wanting to do something else and come back later. Please keep these coming. I look forward to them.
I loved the conversation between Tasha and Wesley. I thought she handled it very well. She explained why people would be so stupid without the usual preachy verse we have heard so much. Her comment "I hope you never do" is one I've said a few times. Crosby came through very sincere and honest. My own kids listened to that far better than the rhetoric they were being fed in school. Thank you Ms Crosby and Mr Wheaton for that scene. Thank Trek and all involved for handling the tough subjects others are afraid to mention or even acknowledge.
Good. Well said. Cannot believe it's being implied in the video that Tasha should never have said that, or that her comment was or seemed somehow banal or insincere or meaningless or like she'd just pulled it out of a hat or something. Honestly, some people. Sigh.
I would agree Brian. I do take issue with our presenter for criticizing the Reagan's with the unfair advantage of 20-20 hindsight. Just Say No was a well intentioned program which had the beauty of perfect results when actually used properly. Unfortunately the media refused to recognize the value of avoiding drugs to prevent addiction and death and instead turned their backs on a great idea because they did not like the conservative values the Reagan's championed.
@@frankbaranski7015 Unfortunately the actual method the way it was put into practice with at least some people...didn't really work as well as expected. There were news articles years later saying that a lot of the children who had made promises to never do drugs...didn't end up keeping their promises. My guess is that some of the younger children, especially if they were taught about it in public places like schools and not much was ever said about it at home, did not understand or later came to believe that "Just Say No" was for kids and that they are grown up now (they think). Obviously the Reagans could not foresee what would actually happen with the program, nor could the parents and teachers. But actually, it *should* have been a more successful program than it actually was. I am wondering if maybe some of the kids were *almost literally* told *only* "Just say no to drugs" and not much more. Also the situation is *completely* different for children who actually do get offered drugs multiple times in, say, early adolescence or preadolescence. They may need very specific instructions in (several different kinds and ways and methods of) *how* to say no. Such instructions were probably not provided. I was a kid in that era. (Older kid and *already knew* not to do drugs by then and at least a little of why not to, but still, a kid.) The program was used. It actually was extremely popular and almost every kid who ever went to school or watched TV or listened to the radio or read magazines or comic books or anything like that...knew all about "Just Say No" and "This Is Your Brain on Drugs" and all that sort of thing. Unfortunately for some of them, that may have been just about *all* they knew. 😢😲🙄😒😔😐😑 My guess is, the program didn't work as intended because it wasn't really exactly *used* as intended. It certainly was used, though. Possibly a bit overused if anything. It just wasn't used correctly or usefully.
@@frankbaranski7015 What actually happened was that it was all over the media all the time and children listened and at least some of them appeared to understand at the time and then somehow it backfired later. It perhaps *may* have been *even more* popular in some of the more Republican states, but it *didn't* get banned, ignored, disregarded or whatever by the media (in any places that I know much about, at least) and it definitely didn't get ignored or disregarded by children, parents or teachers, either (again, at least not in any areas that I know much about ). It was given a great deal of attention by the media and everyone else for several years. Eventually it sort of tapered off or petered out. Probably at about the point in time where most of the adults realized that it...was not doing what they'd thought it was doing. Some habits are harder to break than one might think.
“Just say no” worked for me when I was a child (growing up in the 80s). It was when I was an adult that I abandoned that concept and allowed drug use to nearly ruin my life. I liked this list except for his “Yeah the message is good but the problem is where it CAME FROM,” while showing a photo of the Reagans. The implication being that a well-intentioned message (that actually was effective in keeping *children* from first trying illegal drugs) having come from Nancy Reagan is somehow a problem. It isn’t.
I love the Yorktown/Enterprise connection. Don't forget it went further in "Star Trek Beyond" by having the Yorktown not only be a space-station but where the Kelvin-verse Enterprise-A gets built too.
In addition to being the name for Rome's second Emperor, Tiberius was also the middle name for the titular character in Gene Roddenberry's "The Lieutenant". Lieeutenant William T. Rice was played by Gary Lockwood, who went on to play Gary Mitchell in "Where No man has gone before"
@@willmfrank and Riker and Kirk are very similar names themselves. With K's and R's switched. And they both mean important institutions: Kirk is church and Riker is King.
@@Rockhound6165 did I state otherwise in literally any way? I know that Thomas is Rikers middle name, what does that have to do with the names Riker and Kirk being similar?
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Also from Carbon Creek, Mestral was named after the real-life inventor of Velcro, George de Mestral. (Who was a Swiss electrical engineer, and not a Vulcan as far as we know.)
After working for 10 years on developing Velcro since 1948, he was beaten to its patent by an American company by only a few months. He died penniless and unknown in the Star Trek universe and didn’t inspire future generations of inventors. But he was the only victim of this new timeline and never knew the invention he worked so hard to create was denied because it actually came from another race in the future. That would be enough to break anyone.
Another brilliant and well researched list. Here's one I would like to see... top 10 ethical dilemmas. Archer turning a pirate, Sisko lying to the Romulans, ego-driven Admiral's... and the list goes on!
Kirk being forced to kill Gary Mitchell has such a deeper meaning, IF YOU READ THE BOOKS. Before being captain, they were best friends and in battle together. Kirk literally held Mitchel's heart together in his hands in zero G after an explosion ripped his chest open. Kirk wanted him as his first mate, but he was still in recovery so Spock got the job. Once you realize the deep brotherly connection between them, it changes the whole scene. I don't think that Shatner understood that connection, because he didn't do a good enough job showing how utterly destroyed he would have been emotionally for having to do that.
The talk of some of the behind the scenes and Gene's intent reminds me of the story of how they picked Patrick Steward to play Picard. Hollywood has always been obsesses with appearance rather than character. Back in a time where going bald was seen as unattractive, Gene really wanted Patrick Steward for the role and the studio executives fought against it saying that no one would believe that we haven't "Cured Baldness" by the 24th Century. To this Gene replied "By the 24th Century on one will care." Gene really had the foresight as look at all the popular bald actors these days and no one really bats an eye.
You’ve got that backward, Gene Roddenberry did NOT initially want Patrick Stewart to play Picard. Rick Berman had to convince him to pick Patrick Stewart. It’s been discussed in many interviews and by Patrick Stewart himself.
@@tpharris23 Doesn't mean both didn't happen. Perhaps Rick Berman convinced Gene to go with Patrick and then later the Studio execs put in their two cents. Shows have a lot of stages of approval they need to go through for approval. The point was more the sentiment behind it and his vision of the future.
@@nathanieldaiken1064 I'm with the fans that joke that in the Star Trek Universe, Galaxy Quest was the big show at the time and it followed a similar history and REALLY took off in the early 2000s. ;)
I remember when Symbiosis was first aired. I was watching it over at a friend's house and when Tasha gave her talk to Wes about drugs, my friend's mother rolled her eyes and said sarcastically, "Why didn't she just say, 'Just say no'?" And I responded with equal snarkiness, "Because fortunately for them, Nancy Reagan has been dead for 400 years."
Cracking video! Thought it was worth including the scene from Star Trek Beyond where Bones and Kirk clink their glasses of Chekhov’s Whiskey with a third glass. I believe this scene was reshot after Anton Yelchin’s death and was a nod to him.
Sean, this is by far the best video I've seen you do. Every single moment, I remembered with such clarity when the episode first aired. Thank you for all your team's hard work!
The drugs discussion always felt really preachy and clunky for me even as a kid. It was the biggest fourth wall break I'd seen in the series and I think when shows try things like that then it always goes right over the audience's heads.
We also must remember that, Mistral, in "Carbon Creek," used "I Love Lucy," NOT because he loved the show so much, but because he needed a cover for going to a baseball game with his love interest, whose name I've forgotten. It's the reference to the show that is important, not Mistral's relative affection for it.
8:38 "Whoa! Quick! Wardrobe, get her measurements! Everyone else, TO THE WRITERS' ROOM! We've got to slap together a standard, science fictiony rationale and make this crossover happen!" 😎
I absolutely loved the I Love Lucy reference in Carbon Creek, having read Desi Arnaz' autobiography years ago and knowing the Desilu connection in depth.
Ah, Lucy! I was just a young'un back in those days, but dad loved Star Trek (as did I) and both mom and dad loved Lucy. Even as a little kid, most episodes of Lucy were a blast, as she was so far out there, you'd half expect the Enterprise to beam her up. Some of her skits I didn't get at the time, but later in life I did, thanks to syndication.
Rarely does this channel succeed in telling me anything that causes an emotional effect, but the “Second Chances” revelation that it had the first Black female astronaut in it… real chills. Simply Star Trek at its purest.
Captain James Kirk also a reference to Captain James Cook who sailed the endeavor and whos's was said to say he sailed further than any man has gone before, much like where no man has gone before
The just say no and westley’s incomprehension strike true with me still to this day… I’m 54 years old, and cannot comprehend drugs… or addiction. And as Yar said… I hope I never do.
The problem here is that attitude often turns into apathy for those that DO deal with addiction. Or even indignation supposing that they now deserve to suffer. Abstinence just doesn't work. Compassion and support option for those that do try things with consequences is for more..... evolved.
Gene Rodenberry's experience being 3 plane crashes had a huge influence on survival, panic, and living a full life. His story mixed with Mike Rowe of dirty jobs is one to listen to ..."the way I heard it" Its fascinating.
Trivia bit: CV-5 Yorktown was the name ship for it's class, which included CV-6 Enterprise. The two served together at Midway, where Yorktown was lost.
To piggy back on "just say no" ... Wesley's application of lessons learned about drugs and addiction, from "Symbiosis" came through in "The Game" as he was resisting the "takeover" attempt of the Enterprise via "the game" that Riker brought back from his vacation
Really interesting--honestly the only one I knew about was Mae Jamison astronaut. Now I want to see the Enterprise--mind meld episode, iirc was done very well.
Do you mean Stigma, or the episode where said mind meld happened? It happened in Fusion, and was very well done (I just watched it again today coincidentally)
A really superlative talk regarding the deeper moments in the various editions of Star Trek. I so enjoyed your presentation and observations. There were quite a few things of which you spoke that were new insights (the importance of Kirk's middle and last name, the validation and critical nature of Nichelle Nichols 's character Uhura through the presence of Mae Jamison - which promoted the advancement of Black Women in positions of leadership in our culture.) It was intriguing and I appreciate the effort that was placed in the creation of your ruscussion...by all who were involved. Thank you so much fir a thoughtful, pleasurable, episode of your show!
My thought is that the "R" on the grave stone was an old jab at Kirk from Mitchell while at the Academy, ie: "R", short for "Rex", or "King" that Kirk didn't like being linked to King Tiberius. ;-)
My go-to joke for Kirk's middle initial is that Gary knew about Jim's penchant for getting his shirt torn in every fight scene (including the one in that episode) The "R." stands for "Rip." 😉🖖
One other thing to note about Symbiosis/Tasha’s presence on that episode. This episode was filmed AFTER Skin of Evil. When Tasha was killed off. As that episode was wrapping up, scripts for next episode were being distributed. Denise read the script and loved the story. She asked Roddenberry if she could be written into that episode. He agreed. They switched the production numbers of the two episodes so that there would be no continuity issues. If you look closely at the end of the episode, when the door closes to the hangar door, you can spot Tasha waving goodbye to the camera.
Everyone quit watching back in season 1 when it entirely sucked...or in season 2 when it largely sucked. Not enough people stuck around for it to get good in season 3 and especially 4. (Which...fair enough. At that point Star Trek had been on continuously for well over a decade. So if a new Star Trek can't figure out how to do a good job at Star Trekkin', that's on them)
I aways loved Enterprise. It's actually my favorite Trek. Though Strange New Worlds might replace it. And yes the third season was definitely the best. Too bad it was too late.
Didn't he mean by the production team? I was a little distracted at just that moment, but that's what I thought he meant because they were showing David saving her as he spoke.
I wonder sometimes if an ex-druggy wrote Tasha's lines or someone who was specifically connected to that world through family or friends. Regan and the just say no campaign aside (Literally has no place there but what evs, lol. Hindsight is 20/20) I was a kid who's parents were both druggies and alcoholics. I detests the crap and don't touch acholic drinks (helps I'm actually allergic to sulphites). I think she nailed it and even her blasé way of saying "I hope you never do" was really on the money. Someone, who even after you try to explain how drugs work and how easy it can be to become addicted, who just doesn't understand will never understand until they go through it themselves. I always felt her line was bittersweet having come from that kind of background. I think its missed by a lot of people but it wasn't her that T'd me off with that message it was how Wesley was written. Too much innocence is a thing and they wrote him way too innocent in that scene, at least for me. I know this isn't as popular as far as Trek goes but coming from that background it's how I viewed it.
As someone who's spent far too much time and money in that world, Next Gen did feel sorta unrelatable in those aspects. Everyone was a strict, sober professional, they only ever drank synthohol (aside from odd episodes like Scotty's cameo) and many (though not all) of the romance/sex plots were poorly written. Contrast that with DS9 who had great episodes on addiction (eg The Wire and everything concerning Ketracel-White), explored the more fun side of drug use (eg O'Brien and Bashir drinking together) and had more relatable romance/sex plots and funny and believable allusions to masturbation or using the holo-suites for sexual pleasure. There's a lot I love about TNG but the more "PG-13" stuff was handled far better by DS9.
When you remember Tasha's past You realize not only did she come from a messed up society, but much like our world. She liked and participated in parts of it, before she rejected it So shes a stronger person for her faults, not weaker for having them
I knew Lucy and Desi were extreme pioneers of there time. Shaping culture both on and off screen I remember hearing they had something to do in some capacity with the show coming about. But I never knew that it was directly because of them
Ok what did I miss in DS9's Hard Time because I don't recall Sito Jaxa being in the episode or even mentioned, and her character is not listed in the credits? I don't see the connection between the two episodes. What am I missing?
oh ok. I never saw the connection either and honestly didn't have any tie to the character being lost in the first place other than it sucks to be put in extreme peril narratively when not a title character
Regarding Desilu Studios... Lucille Ball bought Desi Arnaz's interest in the company and became the first woman to preside over a Hollywood studio in 1962, two years after they divorced. In 1967, Ball agreed to sell her television company to Gulf+Western which had recently acquired Paramount Pictures. The company was renamed Paramount Television.
I always took "James Kirk" as a tribute to James Cook. The name Tiberius would be an allusion to William Tiberius Rice, the Gary Lockwood character from Roddenberry's earlier naval series, The Lieutenant.
The DS9 episode "Wrongs Darker than Death or Night " talks about Bajoran women used as sex slaves called Comfort Women to the Cardassians. This is in direct reference to the sex slaves also called Comfort Women to the Japanese soldiers during world war 2. One big difference is that the real comfort women were treated brutally and not like the seemingly luxurious life the Bajoran Comfort women had.
@@StefanScripca There was no such story. There's a weird gap in the seventh season where it just goes from episode 13 to episode 15; maybe that's what you're referring to.
They were in essence the godparents of Star Trek I’m talking about Lucy and Desi Arnez considering it was their company that pretty much save the show beyond one season.
I didn't like Carbon Creek upon first viewing. Well, I guess I was more indifferent rather than not liking it, but after going back and having seen it a few times it's grown on me.
Lucy had to take out loans to finance Star Trek's second pilot. In essence, she bet Desilu on Star Trek. When it failed to turn a profit she was forced to sell the studio to Paramount, which is why they are Star Trek's studio today. The TOS was filmed on the same soundstage as I Love Lucy, as was TNG.
She was on the set when Kirk's battle with Mitchell was being filmed. The tracks on the floor for the camera movements kept getting jammed up with the "alien soil" that was on the studio floor, and they had to occasionally halt filming to sweep it out. It was the last scene to be filmed in the episode. Lucy at one point, tired of all the delays, picked up the broom and started sweeping out the track herself, saying something about being impatient for the wrap party.
Fun fact about Mae Jemison, when she was in space she began calls to Earth with the phrase “hailing frequencies open.”
Less fun fact about Mae Jemison, she came to a city near me within the last few years and I didn't go to see her. And now I'm forever kicking myself for not meeting an astronaut.
Something in my eye........
@@dahabintfarah that seems to be going around.
Citation needed.
she is also a hottie who is super intelligent.
Mark Leonard needed to win an Emmy for this performance. He was absolutely stunning and Star Trek was always just looked at as "That Sci-Fi" show
I really don't know why anyone would get up in arms about what Tasha said. "I hope you never do." Is not anywhere close to 'Just say no!' It's really no different than if a parent who had lost a child spoke to another adult about children, and if that adult said something like, 'I don't know what I'd do, or how I'd keep going' and the parent said, 'I hope you never have to find out.'
They aren't saying, 'don't have kids', it's literally wishful thinking, hoping the other person never needs to know that struggle and pain.
And honestly, to me at least, it seems like the only people who could, and would, get upset about what Tasha said, are coming from an EXTREMELY privileged life where they've basically never suffered a single hardship in their life.
Yeah, I really don't get where that connection might come from. Not having a good easy answer for our young boy is not endorsing a simplistic view of the subject.
I think it's the opposite: leftists hate Tasha's statement b/c it implies cooperation or collaboration with Reagan's anti-drug messaging, and Reagan is Satan according to leftists so everything he supported must be opposed. To me it came off as quite clunky, almost like one of those "after school special" moments, but otherwise rather harmless.
@@Burt1038 Okay Trumper.
Gotta agree that "I hope you never do" was just her way of telling him that it's not something you want to experience. Maybe she had a little more experience with drugs than she let on but didn't want to discuss that part of her life with a teenager.
People are dumb and find ways to be angry about anything
Lucy bought out Dezi for his shares in Desilu in 1962, well before Star Trek was a thing. It was Lucille Ball who saved the show and got it going.
Exactly. And let's not forget how abusive and controlling he was. I don't understand why the channel even gave him mention.
Lucille Ball was quite a savvy buisness woman.
Lucille Ball was Betty White before BW was BW. A true badass.
I remember hearing/reading sometime before...that if you love Star Trek shows you can thank Lucy.
Thank you, Lucy. ^___^
The board of directors of Desilu very much opposed the proposal for Star Trek. Lucy kept insisting the show had great potential. She overruled the majority on the board and the show was made.
Thanks so much for the segment on Merritt Buttrick. I went to high school with Merritt. He was such a nice person, and a wonderful actor.!I have no doubt that if not for his tragic death he would have become a superstar.
I never knew about his passing. That's tragic 😥
Johnny Slash ruled!!! Loved Square Pegs.
He made two appearances in Star Trek.
SOURCE!
Johnny Slash! He struck me as the type of guy everyone liked.
Hello Sean, the one Vulcan in Carbon Creek that loved Lucy stayed behind so he could go to California and meet her. Theoretically he would meet her and then give her the idea for Star Trek and then they’ll be a full circle. Happy new year!
Mestrel in 'Carbon Creek'. T'Mir and Stron returned to Vulcan. I thought I saw Stron on the ship (Varkara?) that was supposed to rescue Seleya on that video Soval showed Archer and others, but the Vulcans all became zombies and were murdering each other.
That would make sense but T'mir showing velcro was late so 🤷 um someone needs to fix the timelines again. But yeah giving the idea for star trek would have been great and the first Vulcan seen in a studio under hush hush condition so Gene Roddenberry would see his first real alien. Cool huh
Need to shout out Khan Singh being named after a war buddy that Roddenberry lost contact with and hoped naming the character would help reestablish the friendship
Did it work?
@@mrcritical6751 As far as I know, it didn't. That's why he tried a second time in TNG's first season, naming Data's creator Dr Noonian Soong after having tried with Noonian Singh for Khan...
KAHN!!! Sorry I had to do it.
The Klingons were also named after someone that Roddenberry knew
I'm so glad you mentioned the Desilu connection! Without her, we would not have Star Trek ... or possibly that other Star franchise!!!
Just taking a moment to give props to Seán for hosting these videos. Always delivered professionally and with enthusiasm for the topic. I could listen to him explain anything and I'm confident it would be interesting. 👍👍
Ask him about his job.
I really enjoyed this entry, Sean. It was definitely more thought-and-emotion-provoking than normal. Thank you.
Riker's clone should have had long shaggy hair and more shaggy beard.
Who cut his hair, and trimmed his beard?
Carbon creek episode left one question amongst the Vulcans " What does Ricky mean when he tells Lucy " You have some Splaining to do ?".
@@johnbockelie3899 He probably learned to cut his own hair with a laser scalpel or something. Reminder: Riker is Star Fleet. He probably kept up a military regimen as best as possible to keep himself sane.
@@ficialintelligence1869 "Oh great, now I'm really beside myself." Commander Riker on discovering his transporter duplicate.
"Take your pick, Counselor Troi, William Riker, or his duplicate , Thomas Riker."
Dr. McCoy would have liked this situation.
I don't skip many episodes on a rewatch, but 'Carbon kreek' is one of them. It represents the worst things about prequels: retcon established history. And I think it's a boring episode. That's my opinion.
The middle R in Kirk's name standards for Racquetball.
That's what Mitchell called him as a joke after Kirk himself, after Mitchell asked him if he plays, says "My middle name is Racquetball"
Start Trek novels:
My Brother's Keeper -- Republic
13:24. Give Wesley credit. The kid was smart enough to back away from a potentially explosive console.
You could say that the whole Voyager Episode Sacred Ground was Star trek tackling the ongoing conflict between science and religion and fact vs faith.
The Yorktown becoming The Enterprise, and the history therein, was the most surprising to me from this selection.
And then it happened again with the Enterprise F!
"I miss my old chair."
That detail *should* be surprising to you, because it isn’t true.
Some fans have speculated that the Enterprise-A was an existing starship hastily renamed. But nothing in the films ever even suggest that, and in the following film Scotty calls it a “new ship put together by monkeys” to explain how nothing works.
Couple of the items on this least are reaches. This one goes beyond that into fanfic.
@@TheChancellor212 It isn't canon but Roddenberry was the one that suggested that the new Enterprise seen beginning with the end of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home was originally named the Yorktown. I never thought this sounded like a good idea or something they would do, as the Yorktown must have had its own accomplishments and taking its name away seems disrespectful. but perhaps it was a newly built Yorktown yet commissioned and so they changed the name to replace the Enterprise that was just lost rather than wait for a new ship to be built.
@@TheChancellor212 Also known as "original research" (what Wikipedia wants us to not do)
I so love watching your videos on Star Trek. I was blown away by the basic thing behind Star Trek: that we CAN get along with other races, worlds and ideologies. The curiosity about other worlds was so wonderful. So, what I'm leading up to is that your Star Trek lectures are things I pay attention to without ever wanting to do something else and come back later. Please keep these coming. I look forward to them.
I loved the conversation between Tasha and Wesley. I thought she handled it very well. She explained why people would be so stupid without the usual preachy verse we have heard so much.
Her comment "I hope you never do" is one I've said a few times. Crosby came through very sincere and honest. My own kids listened to that far better than the rhetoric they were being fed in school.
Thank you Ms Crosby and Mr Wheaton for that scene.
Thank Trek and all involved for handling the tough subjects others are afraid to mention or even acknowledge.
Good. Well said.
Cannot believe it's being implied in the video that Tasha should never have said that, or that her comment was or seemed somehow banal or insincere or meaningless or like she'd just pulled it out of a hat or something.
Honestly, some people.
Sigh.
I would agree Brian. I do take issue with our presenter for criticizing the Reagan's with the unfair advantage of 20-20 hindsight. Just Say No was a well intentioned program which had the beauty of perfect results when actually used properly. Unfortunately the media refused to recognize the value of avoiding drugs to prevent addiction and death and instead turned their backs on a great idea because they did not like the conservative values the Reagan's championed.
@@frankbaranski7015 Unfortunately the actual method the way it was put into practice with at least some people...didn't really work as well as expected.
There were news articles years later saying that a lot of the children who had made promises to never do drugs...didn't end up keeping their promises.
My guess is that some of the younger children, especially if they were taught about it in public places like schools and not much was ever said about it at home, did not understand or later came to believe that "Just Say No" was for kids and that they are grown up now (they think).
Obviously the Reagans could not foresee what would actually happen with the program, nor could the parents and teachers. But actually, it *should* have been a more successful program than it actually was.
I am wondering if maybe some of the kids were *almost literally* told *only* "Just say no to drugs" and not much more.
Also the situation is *completely* different for children who actually do get offered drugs multiple times in, say, early adolescence or preadolescence. They may need very specific instructions in (several different kinds and ways and methods of) *how* to say no.
Such instructions were probably not provided.
I was a kid in that era. (Older kid and *already knew* not to do drugs by then and at least a little of why not to, but still, a kid.) The program was used. It actually was extremely popular and almost every kid who ever went to school or watched TV or listened to the radio or read magazines or comic books or anything like that...knew all about "Just Say No" and "This Is Your Brain on Drugs" and all that sort of thing. Unfortunately for some of them, that may have been just about *all* they knew. 😢😲🙄😒😔😐😑
My guess is, the program didn't work as intended because it wasn't really exactly *used* as intended. It certainly was used, though. Possibly a bit overused if anything. It just wasn't used correctly or usefully.
@@frankbaranski7015 What actually happened was that it was all over the media all the time and children listened and at least some of them appeared to understand at the time and then somehow it backfired later.
It perhaps *may* have been *even more* popular in some of the more Republican states, but it *didn't* get banned, ignored, disregarded or whatever by the media (in any places that I know much about, at least) and it definitely didn't get ignored or disregarded by children, parents or teachers, either (again, at least not in any areas that I know much about ). It was given a great deal of attention by the media and everyone else for several years. Eventually it sort of tapered off or petered out. Probably at about the point in time where most of the adults realized that it...was not doing what they'd thought it was doing.
Some habits are harder to break than one might think.
“Just say no” worked for me when I was a child (growing up in the 80s). It was when I was an adult that I abandoned that concept and allowed drug use to nearly ruin my life.
I liked this list except for his “Yeah the message is good but the problem is where it CAME FROM,” while showing a photo of the Reagans. The implication being that a well-intentioned message (that actually was effective in keeping *children* from first trying illegal drugs) having come from Nancy Reagan is somehow a problem. It isn’t.
I love the Yorktown/Enterprise connection. Don't forget it went further in "Star Trek Beyond" by having the Yorktown not only be a space-station but where the Kelvin-verse Enterprise-A gets built too.
In addition to being the name for Rome's second Emperor, Tiberius was also the middle name for the titular character in Gene Roddenberry's "The Lieutenant". Lieeutenant William T. Rice was played by Gary Lockwood, who went on to play Gary Mitchell in "Where No man has gone before"
And the name "William T. Rice," in turn, became the inspiration for the name "William T. Riker."
@@willmfrank and Riker and Kirk are very similar names themselves. With K's and R's switched. And they both mean important institutions: Kirk is church and Riker is King.
@@TiberiusX except Riker's middle name is Thomas.
Gary Lockwood also played Frank Poole in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
@@Rockhound6165 did I state otherwise in literally any way? I know that Thomas is Rikers middle name, what does that have to do with the names Riker and Kirk being similar?
Also from Carbon Creek, Mestral was named after the real-life inventor of Velcro, George de Mestral. (Who was a Swiss electrical engineer, and not a Vulcan as far as we know.)
As far as we know. 😏
After working for 10 years on developing Velcro since 1948, he was beaten to its patent by an American company by only a few months.
He died penniless and unknown in the Star Trek universe and didn’t inspire future generations of inventors.
But he was the only victim of this new timeline and never knew the invention he worked so hard to create was denied because it actually came from another race in the future.
That would be enough to break anyone.
C. Plummer/Gen. Chang, RIP. You are missed. I will quote Shakespeare in Klingon in your honour.
Another brilliant and well researched list. Here's one I would like to see... top 10 ethical dilemmas. Archer turning a pirate, Sisko lying to the Romulans, ego-driven Admiral's... and the list goes on!
Kirk being forced to kill Gary Mitchell has such a deeper meaning, IF YOU READ THE BOOKS. Before being captain, they were best friends and in battle together. Kirk literally held Mitchel's heart together in his hands in zero G after an explosion ripped his chest open. Kirk wanted him as his first mate, but he was still in recovery so Spock got the job. Once you realize the deep brotherly connection between them, it changes the whole scene. I don't think that Shatner understood that connection, because he didn't do a good enough job showing how utterly destroyed he would have been emotionally for having to do that.
The talk of some of the behind the scenes and Gene's intent reminds me of the story of how they picked Patrick Steward to play Picard. Hollywood has always been obsesses with appearance rather than character. Back in a time where going bald was seen as unattractive, Gene really wanted Patrick Steward for the role and the studio executives fought against it saying that no one would believe that we haven't "Cured Baldness" by the 24th Century. To this Gene replied "By the 24th Century on one will care." Gene really had the foresight as look at all the popular bald actors these days and no one really bats an eye.
You’ve got that backward, Gene Roddenberry did NOT initially want Patrick Stewart to play Picard. Rick Berman had to convince him to pick Patrick Stewart. It’s been discussed in many interviews and by Patrick Stewart himself.
@@tpharris23 Doesn't mean both didn't happen. Perhaps Rick Berman convinced Gene to go with Patrick and then later the Studio execs put in their two cents.
Shows have a lot of stages of approval they need to go through for approval. The point was more the sentiment behind it and his vision of the future.
I'm Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
In the episode "to short a season"
There was some kind of social media channel about sexy bald captains. have fun
Sometimes Trek doesn't have deeper meanings... sometimes it's just about having trouble with tribbles.
Sometimes a cake is just a cake...
If “I love Lucy is canon, does that mean there’s a television show called “Star Trek” within the Star Trek canon?
Yes, because the Beastie Boys existed in their past.
🤯
But how does it all fit into the Tommy Westfall universe?
It's canon that Star Trek does NOT exist in the TOS universe.
@@nathanieldaiken1064 I'm with the fans that joke that in the Star Trek Universe, Galaxy Quest was the big show at the time and it followed a similar history and REALLY took off in the early 2000s. ;)
I remember when Symbiosis was first aired. I was watching it over at a friend's house and when Tasha gave her talk to Wes about drugs, my friend's mother rolled her eyes and said sarcastically, "Why didn't she just say, 'Just say no'?" And I responded with equal snarkiness, "Because fortunately for them, Nancy Reagan has been dead for 400 years."
Stunning and brave.
Cracking video! Thought it was worth including the scene from Star Trek Beyond where Bones and Kirk clink their glasses of Chekhov’s Whiskey with a third glass. I believe this scene was reshot after Anton Yelchin’s death and was a nod to him.
Sean, this is by far the best video I've seen you do. Every single moment, I remembered with such clarity when the episode first aired. Thank you for all your team's hard work!
The drugs discussion always felt really preachy and clunky for me even as a kid. It was the biggest fourth wall break I'd seen in the series and I think when shows try things like that then it always goes right over the audience's heads.
I think it was a contractual thing. All the shows in the 90's had one episode that was preaching how bad the weed I was smoking was.
I disagreed :)
Total cringe. As if kids in the 24th century never were taught about chemical dependency.
@@qdllc yeah you'd think that society would have gone beyond that in the Star Trek universe
@@qdllc
How many centuries has opium been around?
I'm stunned to suddenly realize Gene Roddenberry's been gone for over 30 years. I remember hearing the news when it happened.
Need a follow-up list for the 10 things that are not as deep as you think
Your work continues to lift my spirits every time! Love overload
We also must remember that, Mistral, in "Carbon Creek," used "I Love Lucy," NOT because he loved the show so much, but because he needed a cover for going to a baseball game with his love interest, whose name I've forgotten. It's the reference to the show that is important, not Mistral's relative affection for it.
I always felt that Mistral staying would have had an effect in the future. But as far as I know that has never happened.
8:38
"Whoa! Quick! Wardrobe, get her measurements! Everyone else, TO THE WRITERS' ROOM! We've got to slap together a standard, science fictiony rationale and make this crossover happen!" 😎
I love the Lower Decks episode and wish, among other opportunities, we could see a Captain Lavelle in Picard at some point.
I absolutely loved the I Love Lucy reference in Carbon Creek, having read Desi Arnaz' autobiography years ago and knowing the Desilu connection in depth.
Fantastic video! It's a tribute to what makes this show so great! 🖖🏻👨🏻🦲👍🏻LLAP!
Ah, Lucy! I was just a young'un back in those days, but dad loved Star Trek (as did I) and both mom and dad loved Lucy. Even as a little kid, most episodes of Lucy were a blast, as she was so far out there, you'd half expect the Enterprise to beam her up. Some of her skits I didn't get at the time, but later in life I did, thanks to syndication.
Rarely does this channel succeed in telling me anything that causes an emotional effect, but the “Second Chances” revelation that it had the first Black female astronaut in it… real chills. Simply Star Trek at its purest.
Captain James Kirk also a reference to Captain James Cook who sailed the endeavor and whos's was said to say he sailed further than any man has gone before, much like where no man has gone before
The just say no and westley’s incomprehension strike true with me still to this day… I’m 54 years old, and cannot comprehend drugs… or addiction. And as Yar said… I hope I never do.
The problem here is that attitude often turns into apathy for those that DO deal with addiction. Or even indignation supposing that they now deserve to suffer.
Abstinence just doesn't work. Compassion and support option for those that do try things with consequences is for more..... evolved.
The "go climb a rock" t-shirt. 11/10
What was Shatner thinking
lol
@@jplonsdale7242 That’s classic Shatner for ya😂😂😂😂
Gene Rodenberry's experience being 3 plane crashes had a huge influence on survival, panic, and living a full life. His story mixed with Mike Rowe of dirty jobs is one to listen to ..."the way I heard it" Its fascinating.
"Just say no" does make sense. Lots of people said no and never got addicted.
I'm just sad Sarek didn't get to slap a Tellarite one last time. 😁
To All That See This: Best Wishes In 2022. Live Long 🖖🏻 And Prosper.
Congratulations to Drugs for winning the "War on Drugs"
Trivia bit: CV-5 Yorktown was the name ship for it's class, which included CV-6 Enterprise. The two served together at Midway, where Yorktown was lost.
Is there going to be an Ups and Downs for the new Prodigy episode? So many good Easter eggs
I saw on Twitter that they aren't doing Ups and Downs for Prodigy due to low views. Which is unfortunate, because it was such a good episode.
I was wondering that as well
@@TopHatJackStudios damn I was looking forward to it
I was as well I wanted to hear the comments made about the classic trek character holograms
@@CyberVforVictory Yeah, me too.
To piggy back on "just say no" ... Wesley's application of lessons learned about drugs and addiction, from "Symbiosis" came through in "The Game" as he was resisting the "takeover" attempt of the Enterprise via "the game" that Riker brought back from his vacation
Really interesting--honestly the only one I knew about was Mae Jamison astronaut. Now I want to see the Enterprise--mind meld episode, iirc was done very well.
Do you mean Stigma, or the episode where said mind meld happened? It happened in Fusion, and was very well done (I just watched it again today coincidentally)
I believe that all female astronauts should be called astronots instead. Because they are not qualified to be astronauts.
A really superlative talk regarding the deeper moments in the various editions of Star Trek. I so enjoyed your presentation and observations. There were quite a few things of which you spoke that were new insights (the importance of Kirk's middle and last name, the validation and critical nature of Nichelle Nichols 's character Uhura through the presence of Mae Jamison - which promoted the advancement of Black Women in positions of leadership in our culture.) It was intriguing and I appreciate the effort that was placed in the creation of your ruscussion...by all who were involved. Thank you so much fir a thoughtful, pleasurable, episode of your show!
My thought is that the "R" on the grave stone was an old jab at Kirk from Mitchell while at the Academy, ie: "R", short for "Rex", or "King" that Kirk didn't like being linked to King Tiberius. ;-)
Except that Tiberius was an Emperor, not a king.
My go-to joke for Kirk's middle initial is that Gary knew about Jim's penchant for getting his shirt torn in every fight scene (including the one in that episode)
The "R." stands for "Rip." 😉🖖
@@willmfrank lol
One other thing to note about Symbiosis/Tasha’s presence on that episode. This episode was filmed AFTER Skin of Evil. When Tasha was killed off. As that episode was wrapping up, scripts for next episode were being distributed. Denise read the script and loved the story. She asked Roddenberry if she could be written into that episode. He agreed. They switched the production numbers of the two episodes so that there would be no continuity issues. If you look closely at the end of the episode, when the door closes to the hangar door, you can spot Tasha waving goodbye to the camera.
Enterprise doesn't get anywhere the love it deserves.
Everyone quit watching back in season 1 when it entirely sucked...or in season 2 when it largely sucked. Not enough people stuck around for it to get good in season 3 and especially 4. (Which...fair enough. At that point Star Trek had been on continuously for well over a decade. So if a new Star Trek can't figure out how to do a good job at Star Trekkin', that's on them)
I aways loved Enterprise. It's actually my favorite Trek. Though Strange New Worlds might replace it. And yes the third season was definitely the best. Too bad it was too late.
Desi Arnaz was not involved with Desi Lu productions at the time Star Trek was conceived.
Just Lucy.
Nichele Nichols recruited Jamison into NASA
Yes, somebody else who loves carbon creek, it's an amazing episode!
Nichelle Nichols is the perfect, shining example of why representation matters. Love her ❤
RIP Michelle Nichols
David wasn't chosen to die. They were going to kill Saavik and David sacrificed himself to defend her
Didn't he mean by the production team? I was a little distracted at just that moment, but that's what I thought he meant because they were showing David saving her as he spoke.
Chosen my the scriptwriter, not by the Klingons.
2:39 The captain of the Yorktown was a cameo for top Indian tennis player Vijay Amritraj - who also appeared in "Octopussy"
Pretty good list Sean. Not surprising that it consists of authentic Star Trek only. Nicely done!
I wonder sometimes if an ex-druggy wrote Tasha's lines or someone who was specifically connected to that world through family or friends. Regan and the just say no campaign aside (Literally has no place there but what evs, lol. Hindsight is 20/20) I was a kid who's parents were both druggies and alcoholics. I detests the crap and don't touch acholic drinks (helps I'm actually allergic to sulphites). I think she nailed it and even her blasé way of saying "I hope you never do" was really on the money. Someone, who even after you try to explain how drugs work and how easy it can be to become addicted, who just doesn't understand will never understand until they go through it themselves. I always felt her line was bittersweet having come from that kind of background. I think its missed by a lot of people but it wasn't her that T'd me off with that message it was how Wesley was written. Too much innocence is a thing and they wrote him way too innocent in that scene, at least for me. I know this isn't as popular as far as Trek goes but coming from that background it's how I viewed it.
As someone who's spent far too much time and money in that world, Next Gen did feel sorta unrelatable in those aspects. Everyone was a strict, sober professional, they only ever drank synthohol (aside from odd episodes like Scotty's cameo) and many (though not all) of the romance/sex plots were poorly written. Contrast that with DS9 who had great episodes on addiction (eg The Wire and everything concerning Ketracel-White), explored the more fun side of drug use (eg O'Brien and Bashir drinking together) and had more relatable romance/sex plots and funny and believable allusions to masturbation or using the holo-suites for sexual pleasure.
There's a lot I love about TNG but the more "PG-13" stuff was handled far better by DS9.
I always took the glance Data gave to Yar was him realizing that she was a addict in recovery.
I like, Star Trek, but I haven't watched a lot since I was a kid. This is the second video of yours I have seen and you got me! You do a great job!
When you remember Tasha's past
You realize not only did she come from a messed up society, but much like our world. She liked and participated in parts of it, before she rejected it
So shes a stronger person for her faults, not weaker for having them
I knew Lucy and Desi were extreme pioneers of there time. Shaping culture both on and off screen I remember hearing they had something to do in some capacity with the show coming about. But I never knew that it was directly because of them
I just rewatched Star Trek 5 the other day. Perfectly timed for understanding your shirt. :D
Ok what did I miss in DS9's Hard Time because I don't recall Sito Jaxa being in the episode or even mentioned, and her character is not listed in the credits? I don't see the connection between the two episodes. What am I missing?
She wasn’t ever brought back. I assume he meant that they talked about bringing her back in the writers room, but that didn’t actually happen.
I had to rewatch that segment a couple times, too. He didn’t express what he was trying to say very clearly.
oh ok. I never saw the connection either and honestly didn't have any tie to the character being lost in the first place other than it sucks to be put in extreme peril narratively when not a title character
Nice t-shirt. Don't forget your anti-gravity boots...
Interestingly, Blood and Fire was filmed for the Star Trek: New Voyages fan series...
We used a pic from it in the video.
These lists are so much better than watch mojos annoying countdowns - well done!
Yes, Desilu Studios brought Star Trek to television.
However, when the couple divorced, they had to sell it and that's when Paramount bought it.
Actually, Gulf+Western bought both Desilu and Paramount, and slapped the Paramount name on both
Regarding Desilu Studios... Lucille Ball bought Desi Arnaz's interest in the company and became the first woman to preside over a Hollywood studio in 1962, two years after they divorced. In 1967, Ball agreed to sell her television company to Gulf+Western which had recently acquired Paramount Pictures. The company was renamed Paramount Television.
I already knew about Desilu becoming Paramount TV. It just so happens that the Desilu and Paramount studios were right next door to each other.
Denise Crosby just said no to those syndication checks.
I always took "James Kirk" as a tribute to James Cook. The name Tiberius would be an allusion to William Tiberius Rice, the Gary Lockwood character from Roddenberry's earlier naval series, The Lieutenant.
Sean, you're the best presenter for TrekCulture! LLAP!
The DS9 episode "Wrongs Darker than Death or Night " talks about Bajoran women used as sex slaves called Comfort Women to the Cardassians. This is in direct reference to the sex slaves also called Comfort Women to the Japanese soldiers during world war 2. One big difference is that the real comfort women were treated brutally and not like the seemingly luxurious life the Bajoran Comfort women had.
It’s totally reasonable that Gary Mitchell slipped up on Kirk’s middlename
Awesome great video. Star Trek
I still wish Seto Jaxa had survived. ;_;
As gut punching as her death was, it served as a wake up call that not all stories in star trek have a happy ending.
@@--Animal-- yeah, remember the sexual ghost story? brrrrrrrrr
@@StefanScripca can't that be one of those episodes we pretend never happend
@@StefanScripca There was no such story. There's a weird gap in the seventh season where it just goes from episode 13 to episode 15; maybe that's what you're referring to.
They were in essence the godparents of Star Trek I’m talking about Lucy and Desi Arnez considering it was their company that pretty much save the show beyond one season.
Excellent work, Seán!
Wesley: Shouldn't people just say no to drugs, Lt. Yar?
Natasha: Shut up, Wesley.
I approve this message
I didn't like Carbon Creek upon first viewing. Well, I guess I was more indifferent rather than not liking it, but after going back and having seen it a few times it's grown on me.
Why no review on the new Star Trek prodigy there's so much on there
Just wondering... Did Mr. Ferrick have a problem with Ups and Downs for Prodigy last week? I don't see a video for it.
Really enjoyed this one, as usual Sean.
Really good list. Enjoyed that.
5:45 Thanks Sean for discussing the tombstone "James R. Kirk". I always wondered about that.
Lucy had to take out loans to finance Star Trek's second pilot. In essence, she bet Desilu on Star Trek. When it failed to turn a profit she was forced to sell the studio to Paramount, which is why they are Star Trek's studio today. The TOS was filmed on the same soundstage as I Love Lucy, as was TNG.
She was on the set when Kirk's battle with Mitchell was being filmed. The tracks on the floor for the camera movements kept getting jammed up with the "alien soil" that was on the studio floor, and they had to occasionally halt filming to sweep it out. It was the last scene to be filmed in the episode. Lucy at one point, tired of all the delays, picked up the broom and started sweeping out the track herself, saying something about being impatient for the wrap party.
We can see "L. Ball" has signed The Scorch in Strange New Worlds episode "Amok Spock".
Thank Sean and the team at TrekCulture, it was an ok video and I also Love the episode Carbon Creek.
*Very Well Done, Kudos!*
Rippa lady! Mae Jemison Thanks for all your work m8!
Love this channel 😍❤️💝💝❤️😍
These 10 moments are deep but the deepest moment in ST history is when Picard said "Shut up Wesley!"
Happy to meet Leonard and Mark. Very kind men!
Fantastic video again... X
OMG I love your shirt choice. and the video too... can Star Trek get any better these days? 🚀