Stewart's portrayal of Picard grew immensely during First Contact and is one of the main reasons that First Contact is my most beloved Trek Movie. I can't help but compare Stewart's Picard from First Contact to Weaver's Ripley from Aliens. Both refused to give up on a loved one and both had to face down Alien Queens. Both were bad asses!
Usually when I see these "things you didn't know" videos about movies I love, I don't see anything that I didn't know. But in this one, there were several things I didn't know. Well done!
Great videos as always! Just one note... Boston Legal was the show that Jeri Ryan (and William Shatner and Rene Auberjonois) were working on at the time. Fantastic show, btw.
I don’t even remember her on Boston legal, which was a show that I loved and re-watched a couple years ago and still don’t remember her being on. However Boston public, I know she was on much more of.
I remember hearing neelix's voice and checking the end credits to see if Ethan Phillips name popped up. But never saw it. I went years thinking I had been wrong 😂
I like that Spock's grandfather is the Vulcan in command for First Contact. Because retroactively it makes sense why that family would become so involved with humanity in the first place i.e., Sarak becoming a Vulcan Ambassador (and marrying a human!) and Spock joining Starfleet itself before also becoming an ambassador.
When I was in university and Generations came out the majority of my floor mates and I went to the movie on opening night. One floor mate asked me for my ticket and I said “no I’m as old as Star Trek and I want to see Kirk bite it”. I also had the teaser movie poster for Generations on my wall.
The 1st time Geordie La Forge appeared without appendages over his eyes was in the series episode 'Hide and Q' where Riker said "Don't worry. There is no way I could harm any of you". Geordie said the price was a little to high and he wouldn't like who he would have to thank. He did beg though, for his eyes to be put back they way they were.
@@FlockyFlock17 Appendages of eye -> accessory organs of the eye The eyelids, with lashes and eyebrows, lacrimal apparatus, conjunctival sac, and extrinsic muscles of the eyeball. Synonym: organa oculi accessoria, accessory organs, accessory visual apparatus, adnexa oculi, appendages of eye. Therefore a visor can be an appendage of an eye. If you know everything you stop learning. You probably believe everything that Trump spews from his flag raping lips as well rather than Goggle being there all the time ready to fact check.
On the subject of uniforms, anyone that has served knows it takes years for uniforms to phase out. I went through 3 daily use (not counting the DCU or the RFI uniform for deployment only), 3 physical fitness and 2 dress uniforms before my 20 year retirement. This is not counting change to hats/boots/unit patches, from regular to airborne units. But these are quicker changes.
The Enterprise E decks debate... I heard that there are some "double" sized decks. Where there are rooms that are 2 decks high. So while they might only have 24 decks... Some of those could be double height and count as only one deck.. for example a Astrometrics lab with a viewscreen that is 3 decks high... Insurrection - I just noticed that one of the sets for the ship... 34:15 Is directly reused in an episode of Voyager - The episode where the doctor appears in the future and they have Voyager pinned as the "evil" in their history. (S4: E23 - Living Witness)
re: different uniforms. In the real-life US military, there are of course transitions to new uniform styles. In times of transition, there is a pragmatically-required period in which both new and old styles are worn, yes side-by-side in the same units. In this sense, Generations very much resembles the real military.
With LT Hawk there is something to remember about the actor playing him. He is a Catholic and had previously turned down roles that went against what he believed. I do not think he signs on to the role if his character was gay. The actor does not force his beliefs on anyone but he uses his beliefs on why he turns down roles. When he was on desperate housewives they had to rewrite a lot of scenes because the actor will only kiss his wife.
Neal is an A list actor now, albeit with prematurely silver-grey hair, and has played a quasi-supernatural villain in the DCEU, mainly in Arrow. I find it odd to suggest he would refuse a role simply because the character was gay, considering the appalling actions of Darkh. He was blackballed by the industry for two years because he refused to film (hetero) sex scenes, citing love for his wife
It makes the scene where they all walk in on Picard in the cargo transporter that much more powerful, because instead of Picard asking Geordi to sacrifice his normal human vision he's just gained for the first time in his life, it's Geordi himself who asks Picard to set things right on the planet, even if it costs him something he's wished for nearly his entire life.
Thank you for this episode. It's a lot of work and details to research. The narrator sounds amazing (so many narrator use one sentence style tone and not normal conversation tones). Brilliant. I can't listen to the same exact sentence for even a few minutes. Well done. QUESTION: Why is Lt Uhuru not mentioned? At about 00:05:00 the original cast photo of 7 people is shown with Lt Uhuru (the respected actress Nichelle Nichols) but the narration says only 3 of the six original cast appear in the film, names three in the film, names the three not in the film, and no mention of Lt Uhuru. The section even mentions the STNG actress Whoopie Goldberg coming in plans to act with Nichelle Nichols but not having lines. Maybe something for edited out?
26:23 it would have been bad ass if First Contact could have had Sisko, Dax, O’Brien and Bashir rescued with Worf. I could have totally seen Picard and Sisko facing off about self destructing the Enterprise. Had Dax and Worf fighting Borg, and Bashir and O’Brien with Riker and crew on the planet. Could have really added to the story.
9:03 - The Generations website is no longer on the web today, but I wonder if internet archive sites like Wayback Machine have it preserved to still look at?
The saucer crashing in the film was so good. That was also when surround sound was really taking off. Seeing that in the theater and hearing all the trees being taken down all around you was just great. The worst part of the original crew being in there, is the Scotty episode from TNG. In that episode he asks if it was Kirk who saved him but the movie made that sound stupid since he would know he was dead, especially having been there.
Regarding Scotty, there are lots of occasions in the original series where a character dies and is marvelously resurrected. My head canon is simply that Scotty always believed Kirk was not really dead after all, and after he got out of the transporter he was hopeful that somehow during his transporter paralysis, Kirk had returned alive and well in his absence.
Give Scotty some credit: he'd just been pulled out of a transporter pattern buffer for the first time in 70 years. To hell with remembering things clearly: he's lucky he wasn't carried off the transporter pad in three different buckets.
I have seen all the tng episodes more times than I could possibly count and never noticed the black pieces of paper that the filming crew would put over the screens in the back of the bridge where light reflected off the glass and messed up the shot. Now I notice them in just about every bridge scene.
I can beat those nuggets - watch the episode where Picard plays his flute in his quarters with his girlfriend. Pay particular attention to his hands when he plays.
@@GavinScrimgeour yeah I think I was told in a video about this one, it's another guy playing the flute(I think) so I'm assuming you can tell it's not Patrick Stewart's hands? Or the hands don't match the music?
@@magnificentuniverse2283- I spotted them every time. In the episode with the Stargazer I made it my head canon that they did that on purpose so that Riker couldn’t see the displays during the test - but I have no head canon for the other episodes I see them in. 😂
I like the mixed uniforms. DS9 and Voyager had the newer uniforms, but Earth and some Federation ships were still using the season 3 TNG uniforms, but with the new comm badge. Such as when Worf is first transferred to DS9, he is still wearing his TNG yellow security uniform. The more universal gray dominant uniforms would be later in DS9 and technically in Voyager when Barclay successfully contacts Voyager from Earth.
One thing I don't think gets enough attention in Generations is that so much of the lighting is *absolutely gorgeous* in a way the movie really doesn't deserve, notably making the TV set of the ship look every bit a movie set. The cinematographer was the cinematographer on Chinatown. I don't think any of the Next Gen films after looked anywhere *near* as good as Generations did.
No slight against James Cromwell, but I always thought that Neal McDonough (Lt. Hawk) had the perfect look to play Zefram Cochrane if the producers had any desire to cast an actor that resembled Glenn Corbett from the original series. I've also wondered if he was originally cast to play Cochrane and the studio asserted that a more prominent actor was required for the focal point of the movie.
16:18 ok that is hilarious writing I'm so glad they saved the saucer crash sequence til they have a film budget. Although the SFX people did a TERRIFIC job on the shows, there is ultimately only so much that can be done on a very limited TV budget
The opening of scene of Generations is awesome. The tension between Kirk's desire to command and desire to respect the current captain is wonderful. It's a great action packed opener with sacrifice, risk, and loss. Also I can't help but love Malcom McDowell. He's a wonderfully charismatic villain. His motivation is so personal. The death of everyone isn't the goal it's a by-product of his desire for personal happiness.
@@MachabeesMalcolm is a great actor, but unfortunately he couldn't save that mediocre movie. I had to go back and watch the opening bc I'd forgotten. It was good, but the rest of it was rather bland for me. The interaction in the Nexus between Kirk and Picard was 🤮. I felt like Shat didn't want to share the screen, as if they were reciting lines separately and not together in the same room. Just my opinion
Irl, US military members are given a uniform allowance each year to replace uniform pieces or defray the cost of one uniform. When the military change the BDUs everyone did not change their uniforms all at once, so you had people wearing different versions of the BDUs for several years.
I knew about the Morse Code on the Borg eyepieces in ST:FC, it's a bit stupid as if you either have NO naval experience or have NEVER been a HAM radio operator, you're not going to notice that cute little trick in the film.
Regarding point 7. Sir Patrick Stewart was reading the script for Jeffrey (1995) while Star Trek: Generations (1994) was in production. He found it so sad that he used it to produce the appropriate feelings necessary for weeping during the scene where he finds out that his family back on Earth has perished in a fire. In Jeffrey his 'husband' who he loved dearly passed away from AIDS related conditions. Patrick was brilliant in showing the depth of grief and the stages that one goes through in a matter of minutes. Shock, Denial, Anger - all brilliantly flowing from one to another. His portrail was considered for an Oscar.
1:00:00 -- I don't know if it's just me, but having Worf being Picard's new first officer would have made more sense to me. Especially if they left the scene in where Picard and Worf were discussing the Romulans in the observation lounge
it’s stated in the series that data does actually age in appearance or at least can. wes showing up doesn’t makes sense, he’s supposed to be with the traveler and hated being in starfleet
Did the Quark scene in Insurrection ever make it to the In theater, cinematic release ? - is it possible there were different versions ? I remember seeing quark at the end of the movie, in theaters. maybe it's a trick of memory.. but I remember being confused that I didn't see him when I watched it.. months later when it was released on DVD / VHS.
The only thing interesting about guinan is the whole fact that q is actually a little bit scared of her that is a storyline that definitely needs to be elaborated on
I had a lot more problems with ME getting older and looking different to worry about an actor doing the same! I honestly didn't notice it then suddenly I did; same with Spiner!
I'm not sure if this is true but a cast member I worked with in 2018 told me that in an early draft of the scene with Picard and Troi in Picard's quarters, where he talks about the loss of his family, it was originally conceived as a scene between Picard and Data - with Data trying to understand Picard's grief with the benefit of his newly installed emotion chip - and Picard explaining loss to him. I was told that Brent Spiner himself suggested to the writers that the scene would be more appropriate if it was written for Troi and that's how it was eventually performed. I trust the source but I don't know how true this is.
The fact they thought that the Enterprise A would have stood a chance against the Enterprise D is laughable. That battle would have been over in 5 minutes with the A going down in flames
I still it's funny in First Contact, they got Borg in the Engine Room doing who knows what to the warp core and power to the ship. And what does Picard do? He finds the first room with a force field holding back the vacuum of space to show the woman she is actually in space. Really? A room with a window wouldn't have wouldn't have done just as well?
That's what he was trying to find, a room on the outside of the ship with a window. Plus, this way he could also explain force fields. Two birds with one stone.
@kbanghart It's a stupid design choice to only have a force field there, I can understand the shuttle bay using force fields, but some random compartment on the ship makes no sense.
Guinan - You can leave the Nexus at any time, and you can exit it at any point in history that you want to go. Picard - I know exactly where I want to go. Send me back to the point in time where I got my ass kicked and have no time or ability to make any preparations to do anything differently. Guinan - Really? You could go back to any point in time. Picard - Make it so! Guinan - Like, a couple of days earlier when you had Soren in custody on your ship and you could just not take him to Veridian 3, or even a couple of weeks earlier where you could save your family from dying in a fire. Picard - Engage! Guinan - Must be the Irumodic syndrome...
Missed something about Nemesis that many likely don't know; the Valdore ships, similar to the Akira class, actually have an official class name that was used by the designers but never spoken onscreen. As John Eaves said in his blog: _"It was always called the Valdore-class in what we were doing! and this was the signature Valdore! [....] As far as I know, it had no other class name."_
53:46 i’m actually glad this scene with Wesley was cut. Not because I hate the character, although I hate the character, but because when he left TNG with The Traveler, he pretty much left Starfleet. Why would he be taking watches on a ship all of a sudden when he’s not even in anymore? he’s off doing ethereal things in the universe, not monitoring consoles on a ship nobody’s ever heard of.
Starship Creator.... the one that I never got to claim as my own. Saw it in shelves _once_ in some office depot like store, but never again afterwards.
3:00 mark - I remember the box art for the Riker action listed him as a lieutenant commander. 13 year old me actually thought he was demoted (I noticed this before I saw the movie).
#18 @2:08 So if they scrapped the plan to update the costumes for the movie, the question is why didn't Johnathan Frakes and Levar Burton just wear their existing ST:TNG costumes instead of borrowing others? They had just finished filming the finale 7th season finale of the show, what happened to their original costumes?
Unfortunately, Generations was not the crossover film we wanted. It really was a Kirk-Picard buddy film with cameos for some cast members. Star Trek 6 was really the wrap party. Still, ST 2-4 were peak for Nichelle Nicholls and Walter Koenig (who did not get much screen time in later movies.) I liked First Contact much better. The mystery of Lt. Hawk was well done.
When I saw this movie in the theatre for the first time, our screen cut out right as the four torpedos were tracking the Phoenix in space. It came back on and Data had broken free and fighting the Borg. Wasnt until two years later when Ihad the DVD I finally saw what had happened in those 5 minutes that were missed.
I was very uncomfortable with Generations. But after I saw the episodes 9 and 10 of Picard season 3, I watched it again having inner peace. Even Kirk's body being stored at Daystrom station made me feel somehow relieved.
The Grammar Nazi in me is having issues with "Paramount were". I'm seeing a lot of this. Paramount is singular, not plural, so the proper way to say it is "Paramount was".
I suspect it’s partially American vs UK English, and partly “Paramount were” being short for “Paramount executives were,” referring to the people rather than the entity.
I'm going to keep this general. I'm not a Trekkie. Some things stand out more than others. I won't go into the specifics. I can't even follow most of this timeline. But I can appreciate the details. Even if I can't follow them. A good watch. You get a like.
I read the novel The Return years ago and was pleasantly surprised that I enjoyed the story. It is the only Star Trek book I ever read. I have watched Star Trek since before I was born in the mid 60s.
I feel like I’m the only person who genuinely enjoyed Nemesis. Sure, there are elements I would change and a few scenes I would remove, but over all I’d say it’s the 2nd best TNG film, after First Contact.
I love it too. I had just lost a loved one very suddenly around the time it came out and Data's end was an emotional catharsis for me. I still go back and re-watch it the most.
6:02 I picture Whoopi Goldberg pulling a Beckett Mariner, arriving and immediately being all "Is Uhura here? Seriously you all are great, but is she here?"
The unused Generations uniform seen in the action figures, or at least one of them, appears to have been rejigged as an Admiral's uniform, and is used on Janeway's dad in one episode of Star Trek Voyager. The characteristic foldover chest is present, but other details got altered.
Here's a thought on the Big E deck situation..... There are, and always were, 29 decks. The Borg beamed in on Deck 26, but didn't bother going down to Deck 29 because there was nothing there of interest to them. When Picard spoke to Lily about 24 decks, he was being slightly economical with the truth, just in case they couldn't (or forgot to) wipe her memory later (and it looks like the crew left her memory intact).
The master systems display that Wharf points out if you count it if you count the decks you can get up to 23 to 24 decks depending on layout and furthermore depending on the layout maybe 25 to 26 but that means decks 24 to 26 are intermediate decks laying between decks 20 and 23 because the msd deck lines from bridge to the ventral secondary hull count exactly 23
Strange to say that the reuse of the bird of prey shots in generations were unforgivable when you're talking about the same movie showing the USS Excelsior at warp in the scene when the Enterprise B is warping towards the Nexus, the ship is missing the signature extra wings on either side of the deflector dish which were added for the SFX of getting hit by the nexus lightning.
14:30 - would be a frustrating exclusion were it not for a combination of Yesterday's Enterprise and Redemption, Part II. I am fairly certain Picard mentions his awareness of the abilities of Guinan's SPECIES. This implies her "sixth sense" is actually inherent to her species. In BOTH timelines, she remembers everything that happened in the other timeline, and I think it was in Redemption, Part II, when Guinan revealed HOW Sela could be Yar's daughter, that the abilities were mentioned as abilities of her species.
Star Trek 7 was not only the very first ST movie I have seen in cinema back in 1994, I have it even seen before the TV show. Only because I have enjoyed the movie so much, I had decided to watch the show aswell. Because of this I had as an example no idea who the Duras sisters were.
I think Janeway was a nice touch, more of this might have made sense. Maybe, Tim Russ as Janeway's CofS. Maybe Quark as the owner of the venue for the Wedding and O'Brien and his family as quests.
I remember a leaked/fake First Contact script that was circulated on the web... all I can recall was that Riker was the captain of the U.S.S. James T Kirk, and it had a similar opening battle at Earth.
Stewart's portrayal of Picard grew immensely during First Contact and is one of the main reasons that First Contact is my most beloved Trek Movie. I can't help but compare Stewart's Picard from First Contact to Weaver's Ripley from Aliens. Both refused to give up on a loved one and both had to face down Alien Queens. Both were bad asses!
Finally the long list for Star Trek TNG movies as I expected from TrekCulture , thank you 🖖
Makes the "Gorn wedding!" joke in Lower Decks that much funnier 😂
Usually when I see these "things you didn't know" videos about movies I love, I don't see anything that I didn't know. But in this one, there were several things I didn't know. Well done!
Great videos as always!
Just one note... Boston Legal was the show that Jeri Ryan (and William Shatner and Rene Auberjonois) were working on at the time. Fantastic show, btw.
Jeri Ryan was a regular on Boston Public, a show about a high school. She only appeared in two episodes of Boston Legal.
I don’t even remember her on Boston legal, which was a show that I loved and re-watched a couple years ago and still don’t remember her being on. However Boston public, I know she was on much more of.
I remember hearing neelix's voice and checking the end credits to see if Ethan Phillips name popped up. But never saw it. I went years thinking I had been wrong 😂
a lot of info packed in to this... Thanks, Sean!
I like that Spock's grandfather is the Vulcan in command for First Contact. Because retroactively it makes sense why that family would become so involved with humanity in the first place i.e., Sarak becoming a Vulcan Ambassador (and marrying a human!) and Spock joining Starfleet itself before also becoming an ambassador.
I'm loving these 2 hour long trek culture segments. Best hits of the last three years.
UA-cam version of a golden girls clip show
But perhaps a "lite" version of 2 hours? Being this video is 1h5m44s.
When I was in university and Generations came out the majority of my floor mates and I went to the movie on opening night. One floor mate asked me for my ticket and I said “no I’m as old as Star Trek and I want to see Kirk bite it”. I also had the teaser movie poster for Generations on my wall.
The 1st time Geordie La Forge appeared without appendages over his eyes was in the series episode 'Hide and Q' where Riker said "Don't worry. There is no way I could harm any of you". Geordie said the price was a little to high and he wouldn't like who he would have to thank. He did beg though, for his eyes to be put back they way they were.
"appendages"???
@@FlockyFlock17 app that end the ages.
@@mrwebber35 That doesn't make any sense. Whether you say "appendages", like your original post, or "app that end the ages", you make zero sense.
You mean his visor? I don’t get appendage. An arm, a hand or a finger would be an appendage.
@@FlockyFlock17 Appendages of eye -> accessory organs of the eye The eyelids, with lashes and eyebrows, lacrimal apparatus, conjunctival sac, and extrinsic muscles of the eyeball. Synonym: organa oculi accessoria, accessory organs, accessory visual apparatus, adnexa oculi, appendages of eye. Therefore a visor can be an appendage of an eye. If you know everything you stop learning. You probably believe everything that Trump spews from his flag raping lips as well rather than Goggle being there all the time ready to fact check.
On the subject of uniforms, anyone that has served knows it takes years for uniforms to phase out. I went through 3 daily use (not counting the DCU or the RFI uniform for deployment only), 3 physical fitness and 2 dress uniforms before my 20 year retirement. This is not counting change to hats/boots/unit patches, from regular to airborne units. But these are quicker changes.
Yeah, this is part of the reason I find criticisms of the times the uniforms overlap to be a bit silly.
The Enterprise E decks debate... I heard that there are some "double" sized decks. Where there are rooms that are 2 decks high. So while they might only have 24 decks... Some of those could be double height and count as only one deck.. for example a Astrometrics lab with a viewscreen that is 3 decks high...
Insurrection - I just noticed that one of the sets for the ship... 34:15 Is directly reused in an episode of Voyager - The episode where the doctor appears in the future and they have Voyager pinned as the "evil" in their history. (S4: E23 - Living Witness)
re: different uniforms. In the real-life US military, there are of course transitions to new uniform styles. In times of transition, there is a pragmatically-required period in which both new and old styles are worn, yes side-by-side in the same units. In this sense, Generations very much resembles the real military.
Their Next Gen are not a real military there infiltrators and FRs👾👽
I’m not a huge Star Trek fan but this video captured my interest again.❤️❤️ Well done!
Insurrection struck me as just being a regular episode. It never felt like a theatrical release.
Insurrection is the only movie of this four which I don`t like at all.
I think because it retreats specific story elements from several episodes.
As far as TOS & TNG movies go, ST5 is the worst. 2nd worst is Insurrection.
IMO
ya thats what i thought as well, it just felt like an episode. not that i didint like it.
My least favorite of the franchise , just edging out Nemesis , BOTH _way_ down on the lest _EVEN_ from ST-V .
With LT Hawk there is something to remember about the actor playing him. He is a Catholic and had previously turned down roles that went against what he believed. I do not think he signs on to the role if his character was gay. The actor does not force his beliefs on anyone but he uses his beliefs on why he turns down roles. When he was on desperate housewives they had to rewrite a lot of scenes because the actor will only kiss his wife.
Plus, the actor has gotten hit on a lot.
Neal is an A list actor now, albeit with prematurely silver-grey hair, and has played a quasi-supernatural villain in the DCEU, mainly in Arrow.
I find it odd to suggest he would refuse a role simply because the character was gay, considering the appalling actions of Darkh.
He was blackballed by the industry for two years because he refused to film (hetero) sex scenes, citing love for his wife
Patrick McGoohan could have been James Bond, but he turned it down because all the casual sex and killing went against his Catholic principles.
Good for Neal! Standing up for what is right.
@@neilgodwin6531If true, I can very much respect that. It's oddly wholesome.
Luv the scene where Jordi watches the sunset with his own eyes. Just beautiful.
Geordi
It makes the scene where they all walk in on Picard in the cargo transporter that much more powerful, because instead of Picard asking Geordi to sacrifice his normal human vision he's just gained for the first time in his life, it's Geordi himself who asks Picard to set things right on the planet, even if it costs him something he's wished for nearly his entire life.
That and the opening scene.Ill smoke a fatty and rewind those scenes . Star Trek was never big on pretty visuals like scenery.Or nebulas.
Pretty sure it's a sunRISE, but yeah, it was amazing. Some awesome acting by LeVar Burton.
Thanks for the long-form melding of these excellent segments! They're great, IMO. My conclusion about the movies: They're hard to make. 😊
Thank you for this episode. It's a lot of work and details to research. The narrator sounds amazing (so many narrator use one sentence style tone and not normal conversation tones). Brilliant. I can't listen to the same exact sentence for even a few minutes. Well done. QUESTION: Why is Lt Uhuru not mentioned? At about 00:05:00 the original cast photo of 7 people is shown with Lt Uhuru (the respected actress Nichelle Nichols) but the narration says only 3 of the six original cast appear in the film, names three in the film, names the three not in the film, and no mention of Lt Uhuru. The section even mentions the STNG actress Whoopie Goldberg coming in plans to act with Nichelle Nichols but not having lines. Maybe something for edited out?
I love that in Lower Decks we got to see the statue of Cochram that was mentioned in First Contact (and the place was turned into a theme park).
I got a whole round of those generations uniform action figures. Very interesting pieces, but their elbows and knees didn't bend.
I love that Shatner wrote his own Mary Sue fan fic continuation of the story
26:23 it would have been bad ass if First Contact could have had Sisko, Dax, O’Brien and Bashir rescued with Worf. I could have totally seen Picard and Sisko facing off about self destructing the Enterprise. Had Dax and Worf fighting Borg, and Bashir and O’Brien with Riker and crew on the planet. Could have really added to the story.
Too much $$$
AGREED !!
When it comes to Science Fiction I like to say, "make mine a Star Trek please."
😊🖖🏼
Geeked out to this at the weekend. Great commentary
9:03 - The Generations website is no longer on the web today, but I wonder if internet archive sites like Wayback Machine have it preserved to still look at?
My kind of a Sunday video!
The saucer crashing in the film was so good. That was also when surround sound was really taking off. Seeing that in the theater and hearing all the trees being taken down all around you was just great.
The worst part of the original crew being in there, is the Scotty episode from TNG. In that episode he asks if it was Kirk who saved him but the movie made that sound stupid since he would know he was dead, especially having been there.
Regarding Scotty, there are lots of occasions in the original series where a character dies and is marvelously resurrected. My head canon is simply that Scotty always believed Kirk was not really dead after all, and after he got out of the transporter he was hopeful that somehow during his transporter paralysis, Kirk had returned alive and well in his absence.
Give Scotty some credit: he'd just been pulled out of a transporter pattern buffer for the first time in 70 years. To hell with remembering things clearly: he's lucky he wasn't carried off the transporter pad in three different buckets.
I’m embarrassed that it took me multiple viewings of Generations to spot the Bat-Leth in Kirk’s cabin.
I have seen all the tng episodes more times than I could possibly count and never noticed the black pieces of paper that the filming crew would put over the screens in the back of the bridge where light reflected off the glass and messed up the shot. Now I notice them in just about every bridge scene.
I can beat those nuggets - watch the episode where Picard plays his flute in his quarters with his girlfriend. Pay particular attention to his hands when he plays.
@@GavinScrimgeour yeah I think I was told in a video about this one, it's another guy playing the flute(I think) so I'm assuming you can tell it's not Patrick Stewart's hands? Or the hands don't match the music?
@@magnificentuniverse2283 Bingo, but unless you’re told this, you may not notice. In 4K you can tell someone is off 😂
@@magnificentuniverse2283- I spotted them every time. In the episode with the Stargazer I made it my head canon that they did that on purpose so that Riker couldn’t see the displays during the test - but I have no head canon for the other episodes I see them in. 😂
I like the mixed uniforms.
DS9 and Voyager had the newer uniforms, but Earth and some Federation ships were still using the season 3 TNG uniforms, but with the new comm badge.
Such as when Worf is first transferred to DS9, he is still wearing his TNG yellow security uniform.
The more universal gray dominant uniforms would be later in DS9 and technically in Voyager when Barclay successfully contacts Voyager from Earth.
I could happily listen to Seán narrate anything for hours, even Terms and Conditions
oh yall know that Rikers been to a few Gorn weddings -- probly stolen the bride at a few as well
Thank you Sean ... I have been a Trekkie since 1966 and you are as much a part of Star Trek to me as Picard, Kirk and Spock.
One thing I don't think gets enough attention in Generations is that so much of the lighting is *absolutely gorgeous* in a way the movie really doesn't deserve, notably making the TV set of the ship look every bit a movie set. The cinematographer was the cinematographer on Chinatown. I don't think any of the Next Gen films after looked anywhere *near* as good as Generations did.
No slight against James Cromwell, but I always thought that Neal McDonough (Lt. Hawk) had the perfect look to play Zefram Cochrane if the producers had any desire to cast an actor that resembled Glenn Corbett from the original series. I've also wondered if he was originally cast to play Cochrane and the studio asserted that a more prominent actor was required for the focal point of the movie.
18:58 - Patrick Stewart refused to wear tights... this was after Men in Tights (1993).
😅 that’s probably why.
I had a Generations movie poster on my bedroom wall ever since I bought it at school in 3rd Grade back in 1993. I loved it.
16:18 ok that is hilarious writing
I'm so glad they saved the saucer crash sequence til they have a film budget. Although the SFX people did a TERRIFIC job on the shows, there is ultimately only so much that can be done on a very limited TV budget
THANK YOU! They're perfect together. Can't wait to witness their collaborations!
What happened at the end of the video? It seems to have been cut off.
good thing Brent Spiner was able to put Data to rest in Nemesis
he made the right call
Generations is an underrated movie in my humble (and probably worthless) opinion.
The opening of scene of Generations is awesome. The tension between Kirk's desire to command and desire to respect the current captain is wonderful. It's a great action packed opener with sacrifice, risk, and loss. Also I can't help but love Malcom McDowell. He's a wonderfully charismatic villain. His motivation is so personal. The death of everyone isn't the goal it's a by-product of his desire for personal happiness.
The movie did not follow any basic laws of physics. Just another super hero comic.
@@MachabeesMalcolm is a great actor, but unfortunately he couldn't save that mediocre movie. I had to go back and watch the opening bc I'd forgotten. It was good, but the rest of it was rather bland for me. The interaction in the Nexus between Kirk and Picard was 🤮. I felt like Shat didn't want to share the screen, as if they were reciting lines separately and not together in the same room. Just my opinion
@@bkaley8974you mean science fiction. And we don't care about physics in movies, that's why they're movies and not documentaries.
@@kbanghart You stick with your comic book action heros. I'll stick with more accuracy in Star Trek physics
Great video Chris, thanks 👍👍👍
Tom Hardy then went on to repair his career (because Baird is indeed an idiot) by giving us Bane in the Dark Knight Trilogy
Irl, US military members are given a uniform allowance each year to replace uniform pieces or defray the cost of one uniform. When the military change the BDUs everyone did not change their uniforms all at once, so you had people wearing different versions of the BDUs for several years.
I knew about the Morse Code on the Borg eyepieces in ST:FC, it's a bit stupid as if you either have NO naval experience or have NEVER been a HAM radio operator, you're not going to notice that cute little trick in the film.
Its the whole point of most easter eggs, to be missable and overlooked, unless like you, you're in the know.
Ty for making this video! I'm from Ohio so I shared this video to inform my friends !
Regarding point 7. Sir Patrick Stewart was reading the script for Jeffrey (1995) while Star Trek: Generations (1994) was in production. He found it so sad that he used it to produce the appropriate feelings necessary for weeping during the scene where he finds out that his family back on Earth has perished in a fire.
In Jeffrey his 'husband' who he loved dearly passed away from AIDS related conditions. Patrick was brilliant in showing the depth of grief and the stages that one goes through in a matter of minutes. Shock, Denial, Anger - all brilliantly flowing from one to another. His portrail was considered for an Oscar.
The entire series of those books Shatner Co wrote were actually quite good; I was apprehensive at first but found myself anticipating the next one.
I really like Spectre but the rest of them generally don’t it for me. Still need to check out Captain’s Blood though
I loved Shatners books. Even Tek Wars.
The follow-up book series is worth reading. The books with Shatner on it were all great.
@@Cdr2002captains blood is okay. I really enjoy the last one though captains glory. It has an AMAZING tie in to “where no man has gone before”
@@Manofsteel1701-f4r I’ll have to check that one out
The glass case for the models is hilarious. Glass in a starship? Lol
well done on this detail of the tng movies thanks again
8:30 "Kirk's Death" could have been named, "He's dead Jim! ...Jim? ...Jim?"
Bones trying to tell Kirk that Jim Kirk is dead.
1:00:00 -- I don't know if it's just me, but having Worf being Picard's new first officer would have made more sense to me. Especially if they left the scene in where Picard and Worf were discussing the Romulans in the observation lounge
1:04:44 no. We hated that they killed Data and boycotted it.
it’s stated in the series that data does actually age in appearance or at least can. wes showing up doesn’t makes sense, he’s supposed to be with the traveler and hated being in starfleet
I have a question about what were the name names of Kirks horses 😊
Snoopy and Prickly Pete.
@@ttintagel Shut up, George.
Did the Quark scene in Insurrection ever make it to the In theater, cinematic release ? - is it possible there were different versions ? I remember seeing quark at the end of the movie, in theaters. maybe it's a trick of memory.. but I remember being confused that I didn't see him when I watched it.. months later when it was released on DVD / VHS.
The only thing interesting about guinan is the whole fact that q is actually a little bit scared of her that is a storyline that definitely needs to be elaborated on
Its a trip ....RODDENBERRY..... PASSED AWAY....RIGHT WHEN THE SECOND BEST ,* STAR TREK*ANYTHING HIT THE BIG SCREEN.
I had problems with Data/Spiner getting older, and looking different. That was indeed a big issue.
They should have had him keep the Borg skin modifications as an explanation for his aging.
I had a lot more problems with ME getting older and looking different to worry about an actor doing the same! I honestly didn't notice it then suddenly I did; same with Spiner!
Brent looked good in Picard
They could make him look younger, but you cant hide age.
I aways thought Geordi'svisor looked like a gold banana clip. First Contact is my fave.
I'm not sure if this is true but a cast member I worked with in 2018 told me that in an early draft of the scene with Picard and Troi in Picard's quarters, where he talks about the loss of his family, it was originally conceived as a scene between Picard and Data - with Data trying to understand Picard's grief with the benefit of his newly installed emotion chip - and Picard explaining loss to him.
I was told that Brent Spiner himself suggested to the writers that the scene would be more appropriate if it was written for Troi and that's how it was eventually performed.
I trust the source but I don't know how true this is.
The fact they thought that the Enterprise A would have stood a chance against the Enterprise D is laughable. That battle would have been over in 5 minutes with the A going down in flames
I still it's funny in First Contact, they got Borg in the Engine Room doing who knows what to the warp core and power to the ship. And what does Picard do? He finds the first room with a force field holding back the vacuum of space to show the woman she is actually in space. Really? A room with a window wouldn't have wouldn't have done just as well?
That's what he was trying to find, a room on the outside of the ship with a window.
Plus, this way he could also explain force fields. Two birds with one stone.
@kbanghart It's a stupid design choice to only have a force field there, I can understand the shuttle bay using force fields, but some random compartment on the ship makes no sense.
@@m.l.tankesly2665exactly it's not like power hasn't been lost in multiple episodes of STNG and TOS
Guinan - You can leave the Nexus at any time, and you can exit it at any point in history that you want to go.
Picard - I know exactly where I want to go. Send me back to the point in time where I got my ass kicked and have no time or ability to make any preparations to do anything differently.
Guinan - Really? You could go back to any point in time.
Picard - Make it so!
Guinan - Like, a couple of days earlier when you had Soren in custody on your ship and you could just not take him to Veridian 3, or even a couple of weeks earlier where you could save your family from dying in a fire.
Picard - Engage!
Guinan - Must be the Irumodic syndrome...
They should’ve just made it that you could only exit the Nexusjust before entry or something. This was so idiotic
Missed something about Nemesis that many likely don't know; the Valdore ships, similar to the Akira class, actually have an official class name that was used by the designers but never spoken onscreen.
As John Eaves said in his blog: _"It was always called the Valdore-class in what we were doing! and this was the signature Valdore! [....] As far as I know, it had no other class name."_
53:46 i’m actually glad this scene with Wesley was cut. Not because I hate the character, although I hate the character, but because when he left TNG with The Traveler, he pretty much left Starfleet. Why would he be taking watches on a ship all of a sudden when he’s not even in anymore? he’s off doing ethereal things in the universe, not monitoring consoles on a ship nobody’s ever heard of.
Starship Creator.... the one that I never got to claim as my own. Saw it in shelves _once_ in some office depot like store, but never again afterwards.
Nemisis is one of my favorites!
3:00 mark - I remember the box art for the Riker action listed him as a lieutenant commander. 13 year old me actually thought he was demoted (I noticed this before I saw the movie).
#18 @2:08 So if they scrapped the plan to update the costumes for the movie, the question is why didn't Johnathan Frakes and Levar Burton just wear their existing ST:TNG costumes instead of borrowing others? They had just finished filming the finale 7th season finale of the show, what happened to their original costumes?
Love Generations, overall and on personal level
I remember downloading the Generations trailer in my dorm room. It took a long time!
Always smiled when Q showed up 😉
Unfortunately, Generations was not the crossover film we wanted. It really was a Kirk-Picard buddy film with cameos for some cast members.
Star Trek 6 was really the wrap party. Still, ST 2-4 were peak for Nichelle Nicholls and Walter Koenig (who did not get much screen time in later movies.) I liked First Contact much better. The mystery of Lt. Hawk was well done.
What mystery?
Enjoyed this ,thank you.
I had no idea that the scene where Riker hazed his replacement was deleted!! I swear that I saw this the first time I saw Nemesis in the theatre.
Very good video. Btw, it's David O. Selznick. He's not Irish.
When I saw this movie in the theatre for the first time, our screen cut out right as the four torpedos were tracking the Phoenix in space. It came back on and Data had broken free and fighting the Borg. Wasnt until two years later when Ihad the DVD I finally saw what had happened in those 5 minutes that were missed.
I was very uncomfortable with Generations. But after I saw the episodes 9 and 10 of Picard season 3, I watched it again having inner peace. Even Kirk's body being stored at Daystrom station made me feel somehow relieved.
The Grammar Nazi in me is having issues with "Paramount were". I'm seeing a lot of this. Paramount is singular, not plural, so the proper way to say it is "Paramount was".
I suspect it’s partially American vs UK English, and partly “Paramount were” being short for “Paramount executives were,” referring to the people rather than the entity.
I'm going to keep this general. I'm not a Trekkie. Some things stand out more than others. I won't go into the specifics. I can't even follow most of this timeline. But I can appreciate the details. Even if I can't follow them. A good watch. You get a like.
I read the novel The Return years ago and was pleasantly surprised that I enjoyed the story. It is the only Star Trek book I ever read. I have watched Star Trek since before I was born in the mid 60s.
Great sound! 👍
I feel like I’m the only person who genuinely enjoyed Nemesis. Sure, there are elements I would change and a few scenes I would remove, but over all I’d say it’s the 2nd best TNG film, after First Contact.
I love it too. I had just lost a loved one very suddenly around the time it came out and Data's end was an emotional catharsis for me. I still go back and re-watch it the most.
6:02 I picture Whoopi Goldberg pulling a Beckett Mariner, arriving and immediately being all "Is Uhura here? Seriously you all are great, but is she here?"
Startrek generations came out in 94... jurassic Park 93.... hate to tell you jurassic Park had a promotional website before generations
What star trek card game? I thought from the decipher game the vulcan's name was Sevek. Also, "lieutenant daniels" is named Thomas McClure
The unused Generations uniform seen in the action figures, or at least one of them, appears to have been rejigged as an Admiral's uniform, and is used on Janeway's dad in one episode of Star Trek Voyager. The characteristic foldover chest is present, but other details got altered.
Here's a thought on the Big E deck situation..... There are, and always were, 29 decks. The Borg beamed in on Deck 26, but didn't bother going down to Deck 29 because there was nothing there of interest to them. When Picard spoke to Lily about 24 decks, he was being slightly economical with the truth, just in case they couldn't (or forgot to) wipe her memory later (and it looks like the crew left her memory intact).
Thanks sooo much for this. Generations probably built most of my ideology. Much Love for this.
The master systems display that Wharf points out if you count it if you count the decks you can get up to 23 to 24 decks depending on layout and furthermore depending on the layout maybe 25 to 26 but that means decks 24 to 26 are intermediate decks laying between decks 20 and 23 because the msd deck lines from bridge to the ventral secondary hull count exactly 23
Strange to say that the reuse of the bird of prey shots in generations were unforgivable when you're talking about the same movie showing the USS Excelsior at warp in the scene when the Enterprise B is warping towards the Nexus, the ship is missing the signature extra wings on either side of the deflector dish which were added for the SFX of getting hit by the nexus lightning.
14:30 - would be a frustrating exclusion were it not for a combination of Yesterday's Enterprise and Redemption, Part II. I am fairly certain Picard mentions his awareness of the abilities of Guinan's SPECIES. This implies her "sixth sense" is actually inherent to her species. In BOTH timelines, she remembers everything that happened in the other timeline, and I think it was in Redemption, Part II, when Guinan revealed HOW Sela could be Yar's daughter, that the abilities were mentioned as abilities of her species.
Star Trek 7 was not only the very first ST movie I have seen in cinema back in 1994, I have it even seen before the TV show. Only because I have enjoyed the movie so much, I had decided to watch the show aswell. Because of this I had as an example no idea who the Duras sisters were.
I really love Insurrection. Largely because it is a "TV episode turned into a film." Feels so strongly connected to the ideals of the federation.
I think Janeway was a nice touch, more of this might have made sense. Maybe, Tim Russ as Janeway's CofS.
Maybe Quark as the owner of the venue for the Wedding and O'Brien and his family as quests.
Umm...
It's "David O. Selznick" not "David O'Selznick." the "O." is David Selznick's middle initial, not an Irish prefix.
I remember a leaked/fake First Contact script that was circulated on the web... all I can recall was that Riker was the captain of the U.S.S. James T Kirk, and it had a similar opening battle at Earth.