Even tho i dont like the big price tags of apples products, I still think apple has really done something with the M1 chips, for something that draws so little power for how much performance it gives is really insane
@PRO GAMER recently its been more than just expensive i think, they started actually manufacturing insane chips and I think that with the whole ecosystem, the expensive prices are more than worth.
@@LXVT yeah thats true, but they capp their products in purporse, just compare the front camera from the macbook pro vs the iPad Pro, or the files explorer on ios vs mac os…
@PRO GAMER I agree in a general but honestly the M1 air range laptops are CHEAPER than many competitors, yet offer better performance/ergonomics on a machine that isn't even intended for pros. I think they really disrupted the industry by going in-home with the chip production. For the higher end macs, I was surprised (idk why) to find out that similarly spec-ed windows laptops pretty much cost the same.
@@LXVT I don't think it's even that good. their "ecosystem" is really a walled garden. Maybe when linux starts working on the M1 i'll be more supportive, but until then I'll pass.
The fact you can play FOUR 4K windows at the same time in resolve is just mind blowing. I remember needing to create 720p proxy files in premiere pro not just five years ago. We’ve made huge leaps in computing power since then.
Resolve is insanely good, especially considering the regular version is free and still comes with the vast majority of the great features. No real downside to it like other free programs
I don't care about how powerful any Apple product is. I don't want to pay to be locked into a limited ecosystem that dictates how I use the laptop I paid for.
Looks like Macs make more sense as well-rounded laptops and Windows PCs as brute power desktops. Regardless of size/weight, the performance drop without wall-power makes gaming laptops essentially desktop replacements that you can easily move from one power outlet to another. That’s been my experience owning everything from MacBook Pros to portable gaming laptops to beefy thiccboi gaming laptops.
Yep, although there is the issue of pricing. Windows laptops are still much cheaper, and I left that out in this video on purpose to really focus on the performance differences. For me the gaming is and will always be the deal-breaker for moving 100% to Macs. I have the 16" M1 Max for 95% of my daily work/usage, but will always need my RTX 3080 desktop PC for gaming (or a gaming laptop). If you don't game though...the M1 Max is an easy choice.
@@CreatedTech exactly mirrors my sentiments. Until this chip shortage storm fades away and computer component pricing returns to “normal,” I find myself gravitating more towards a MacBook Pro + gaming console combo. I’d love to build a high end gaming desktop, but can’t justify current inflated prices to only fill that gaming void.
A lot of autocad users go windows despite having autocad mac version Fanboy claims wrongfully that people use windows because they have no option in mac version.
They're both great equally. Depends on what you need them for. I have the 3080 laptop for gaming mostly and blender sometimes. The M1 Max would be great for on-the-go working people.
Thank You! You are legitimately one of the first channels to properly compare the 3D rendering capabilities of Apple Silicon and Nvidia's GPUs. There are so many times when I see other UA-camrs use an older version of blender or CUDA instead of OptiX for Nvidia...there can be massive differences. A slight correction: at 7:12 you state that OptiX uses artificial intelligence to accelerate the rendering process but it is actually the ray tracing cores (something that Apple doesn't have) that do the bulk of the job. I also liked the comparison on battery as not many other channels do that. I hope you get more recognition for the work you put into your videos!
Whoopsie... I screwed that clip up. I talked about the OptiX AI-Accelerated Denoiser for Blender rendering as an example of further RTX optimization that the Mac didn't have, but must have accidentally cut out the sentence on ray tracing before that. Good catch!
Not a big fan of Apple's overpriced products (base model M1 owner here), but my issue with other laptops is how loud and hot they get, aside from power consumption. If Intel or AMD can come up with something capable of video-editing without sounding like an F1 car AND without turning into an oven, I'd switch in a pinch. But so far, they can't compete.
@@Teluric2 I've had Intel laptops 20 years. It doesn't give me panic attacks, but it is annoying. And if I can buy something that doesn't make a sound and doesn't heat up, I will. That's why I bought the Mac ;)
@@Teluric2 We just dealt with it with a bitter smile from embarrassment. Nothing worse than people in cafes and libraries, or in class turning around to look at you when you boot up the laptop. Yes, just booting up.
Exactly, a side of my desktop i use window Asus rog strig 2 and its sounds like airplane just getting up… 😄.. super hot and without charger doesnt work. 🤷♂️
Finally someone who is talking about the performance when the laptops are disconnected, people don't understand how important it is for someone who uses their laptops a lot without charging it especially with the M1 mac having a huge battery life!
Its amd's problem..even a kid knows amd sucks for laptops! Intel has no issue! He chose amd instead of i9 which has twice the cpu performance than m1 max for the same price because he is biased af!
@@Variable_Degree_Series CPU performance doesn't make an overall good laptop. There's way more stuff that makes the MacBook a better laptop and its literally explained almost on every reviewer video on UA-cam - macOS, Battery life, build quality, TB4 full support, best speakers and screen available, every type-c port lets you charge your laptop with a 25w+ charger, same high performance when the laptop is unplugged, best trackpad, i can go on... yes its not a gaming laptop but other then that. nothing beats the macbook currently if its not about gaming.
@@gam3stv I was talking about the stuff where you said about using the laptop without charger.. Well most of the applications support windows only, windows laptops not only have better cpus, they have better gpus too.. I can't help if you are a big time isheep to just ignore these stuffs.. Macs just don't work unlike what apple says..many stuffs can be done on windows only.. Sure macs are good office laptops but only the air.. And windows laptop have way vaster charging..won't even spit at 25 watt..you just spoke utter nonesense..windows laptops are great if you open your eyes.. And I don't know how many hours do you use your laptop in a place where there is no power source? My laptop gives me 6-7 hours.. Not to mention ARM can't handle heavy tasks..X86 is made for complicated tasks..crom from what I heard you, even a tablet will do for you lol..you don't need a laptop.. Oh and not to mention that there are windows laptops with better battery life or atleast nearly the same and still more power than macbooks..they are based on intel's veo paltform..
Glad you brought up the amount of wattage the RTX sucks up, and the performance on battery. Efficiency is NOT the RTX's strong suit. For gaming Windows computers will be indeed king, but I think eventually you will see more gaming coming the Macs way.
Great video and you did try to stay true to your intent. A few things if I may: Starting from the end, the three options for the RTX. #3 was if you needed Windows. I am running both Windows 10 & Windows 11 on my M1 Mac (Microsoft Preview Editions for ARM64) with Parallels. For gaming, I follow another UA-camr who has compared gaming on M1 with Intel by using Crossover and/or Parallels. You may want to mention those options and maybe try them and run benchmarks. Thanks
Crossover should get a boost soon when a lot of the work for Proton and Steam deck get moved back... but its still limited by Apple's Metal API which is pretty poor. That said... if Apple does what they did with Rosetta 1, and kills off Rosetta 2 after a couple years, then that is the end of Crossover for Mac unless they can work some type of miracle with a CPU emulator, but current open source ones do not run well enough.
@@MissyMalaprop big issue is only metal, imo proton could probably run on macos with a slight modification, but vulkan no existing on mac is problematic
@@joshwayop that what I thought too until I tried it on my lappi. Plus I also did it on my pc and it was awful.... Didn't notice it until a year later(I know ಠ⌣ಠ) after constantly getting underperform than expected in games with the spec I had. Rarely play aaa game so didn't notice for so long...
M1s are good for their impressive battery life and that low power consumption with extremely high performance. But if Apple thinks that will beat NVIDIA 3080, even the laptop version, they need to hire better Technical consultants.
It’s quite amazing how polished this UA-cam channel has gotten even your hand gestures and overall hand movement are pro level anchorman or late night host level. However the content hasn’t changed as it has always been top of the line.
I finally took the plunge into a new macbook (first time). Didn't wan't to connect my laptop to the wall so often and new laptops seem to suffer the same fate. Now full power on the go!
Cool vid. One common scenario I'd love to see a comparison is for video conferencing while screen sharing. This seems to always tax a laptop like crazy. Curious to see what that's like on an M1 Max Pro vs. other machines.
For the sake of completeness (because I do love this video in general), I would like to see this scenario/test be included as well. But for what it's worth, I've seen other videos testing this and the M1 (Pro/Max) don't even spin up their fans in this scenario, even with Zoom (which is less optimized than Apple's own software) and had "amazing" battery life doing it. I saw this video a long time ago, so I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure the Mac ended up being able to do that on battery for 3x as long as the Windows laptop it was being compared to.
I have an M1 Max and have done this. 2x 4K dual-monitor setup plus the Retina display on-board. With HD video calls (need good Internet!), I am simultaneously recording my screen (using OBS, not Zoom), doing a screen share and running development workloads on other monitors. It doesn't even blink, totally smooth. Anything video-related on M1 works like a dream for me. In fact I have not been able to smoothly record 4K streams like this on Windows yet, we do a lot of tutorial videos and 4K with DPI turned up looks unbelievable for our training videos.
I think you're giving the M1 silicon too much credit, saying that it just isn't optimized all the time. The M1 should be able to properly render using OpenGL since it has been the standard for ages. That is not an optimization issue, that's an issue with the chip itself
I'm doing 3D modelling and video editing on my 2015 HP omen gaming laptop. For a person like me, both of these seem to be great upgrades. I think I'd go with the mac here. Both blow my laptop out of the water, but it would be nice to have one that doesn't get hot.
Higher degrees on laptops does not affect the pc anymore like last 5 years . We can consider this as a normal thing. It's not a good thing but it's not bad too.
My very simple choice of usage for both: 1.) Macbooks --- Video & image editing etc., some office work 2.) Gaming Laptops (Windows) --- Gaming (obviously), some office work That's it, I just draw the line for each. I don't hate on one brand for another. I don't compare apples (pun intended) to oranges.
@@abdullahtahir4486 uh yea more than sure. In my country, the cheapest m1 max costs here 3449€ while the msi leopard 11 with i7 11th gen and rtx 3080 costs 1499€. Idk how much the reviewed windows notebook costs in the video but id guess about that price too.
@Special Herbs Here in New Zealand the Macbook M1 is $5250 NZD, the Legion 6 ( As stated in the video and description) is $2500. This is an error as its not the Lenovo legion 6 that has a 3080, it's the Lenovo Legion 7 (Gen 6 ). The Lenovo Legion 6 has the 3070, this is probably what's causing confusion. The legion 7 with the 3080 cost's $4,475.
Several points, software is important for the overall equation in performance. I believe that the M1 Max hardware is all that and a bag of chips too, but that fully optimized software is going to take time. Blender 3D will eventually prove out, but will be long after Alpha if Metal support as that’s not even tuned yet, just getting Metal working.
Microsoft is actually the worse in terms of optimization, windows runs on intel/nvidia and AMD chips unlike macOS running only the m1, those other chips unlike the m1 are 10nm, 7nm and 8nm
Cannot agree more on this point. With such amazing hardware we need software support as well. Translating through Rosetta defeats purpose of great hardware. Same is the problem with M1 iPads!! iPad OS is just not ready to utilise the full potential of the hardware.
@@carholic-sz3qv it's because macOS runs on apple hardware only so they Can highly optimise their software unlike windows or linux which need to support way more hardware
@@ioneocla6577 yes but fortunately it gives more choice to people, people can build their own computer for their needs…. Also Microsoft has been trying to make a single very few chips more optimised
Blender 3.1 is out now and the metal GPU render path is designed by apple. It's optimized alright. However, a desktop 3080 is still 7 times faster than an M1 Max. Why? Because the M1 has no raytracing cores. It will never perform equally in raytracing tasks.
I think you are testing the MAC with light software, would be interesting testing it with some heavy software like 3D simulations in Houdini for example.
Nice comparison! I´d like to see one between XPS and MBP 16 with intermediate specs which is what most people would buy. For example, 16gb ram, 3050ti, vs M1 Pro MBP
Both great laptops for their use cases. Being a 3d artist id still go for raw firepower over battery life considering I’m going to want the best performance while working for hours and personally have never worked on a commercial project at a cafe or somewhere without an outlet since I’m going to need constant WiFi anyways at all times for redshift rendering and downloading assets.
@@rayensabandar8392 depends on what I do for a living. If I work for an agency and I'm handling one part of a project rather than the whole thing. Yeah. I don't mind having a beefy laptop. But if I was a freelance cg generalist (which I am), I'd go with a computer and remotely controlling it using parsec (granted my host computer has great internet)
@@rayensabandar8392 never really saw a point in having a beefy laptop if I constantly need internet for work anyways. Might as well just get one high end PC and a laptop that can do basic things and remotely control it. Plus parsec has 4:4:4 color mode so it's pretty accurate
@@CatWAVE-qq1gs well then you just need windows. I'm not a (insert 3d software) fanboy. They are literally just tools. I'm currently using Houdini, blender and c4d with Redshift and Cycles on top of after effects for compositing (nuke is still a mystery to me). My point wasn't that a MacBook was better than a windows laptop. If you intend to do it properly, you need proper hardware and I don't know if there are any factors that I don't know of which prevents you from just getting a dedicated workstation PC instead of a gaming laptop or a Mac. What I was saying that both have their perks (according to the use case thats tailored for u) but put aside the ego and really think why are you choosing one over the other. I tried working on a gaming laptop for a week (got it as a loaner). I was working at home for the most part and it just wasn't as good as a proper rig with a dedicated 3080ti.
As someone who has never owned a Mac, I recently found myself needing a laptop computer to complement my school and work-workflow (video and photo editing) that I typically do on my Windows desktop that is pretty beefy (3700x and 1080Ti w/ 32GB RAM). After much deliberation I decided on the Razer blade 14" with an RTX 3070. After severe disappointment since I felt like I was always forced to be plugged in to properly use it, I returned it. I recently received my Macbook Pro 14" with 10 core CPU and 16 core GPU and while I haven't had time to extensively test it (or just have heavier workloads on it), I am already much more happy with the general use experience and the battery life compared to the Razer Blade.
You mind sharing your experience with the blade 14? I just purchased the 3070 model (arriving tomorrow, while I’m away lol) and i have a similar desktop setup with an i7 9700k and a 1070 ti. I’ll admit, I’m just a barber so no need for a powerful work machine lol, but I like to game for a few hours at night: do you think it would be a good laptop for playing RPGs on the couch and the occasional session on trips? I don’t need the battery life to be crazy good, and I mostly intend on playing at 1080p, but do you think I’ll be disappointed? I don’t need it to replace my desktop but I hear it’ll perform similar
@@SuchFinessse I mean if your main goal is gaming I am sure it will be fine but it really is night and day in terms of fps as soon as you unplug it from the charger. Also it gets loud fast (at least loud for me) not too bad if you are using headphones. My mentality when getting it was to be able to go on a trip and on site be able to cut some footage or touch up some pics and maybe be able to game from a hotel or something but it was just really disappointing in productivity for me when unplugged. If yours comes with Windows 10 installed I highly recommend putting off Windows 11 for as long as possible, it slowed down even opening my web browser considerably.
@@itisriley interesting… Thank you, I appreciate the response! I also heard not to upgrade to windows 11. For the most part, I planned on keeping cpu/gpu settings on medium in hopes it would help with thermals. I think mostly, this is gonna be my uber expensive couch piece when I’m chilling at home with the family. So maybe it’ll be good for that. If not, I can always return 🤷♂️.
yeah, small 14" or any thin gaming laptops are always very loud. Its better to get a really big one with proper cooling... but unless you want to game, then the Mac should be a better experience over all.
@@itisriley Mac's downgrade performance of the laptop significantly when not plugged in to maximize battery life. Gaming laptops don't naturally do this and so battery life always feels worse on them. It's an easy fix but most people don't think about it and assume Mac's always have better battery life, when really it's just settings tweaks. But, naturally, the gaming laptop still has stronger performing components that are going to pull a little bit more power.
I'm a software developer and I sold RTX + AMD laptop for M1 purely because of the fan noise. Every time I hit build it feels like a jet launch. I had enough and sold it, and decided will never go back to gaming laptops for dev purposes.
How can it beat a 3080 when Apple M1 cant even run all AAA games. It's like being buff and going to the gym but it can't lift anything at home or do chores
Great review, really impressed by the power/performance of the M1, even the Max version. Have a standard M1 today and fan noise is a thing of the past. Love this machine.
M1 is a marvel in terms of efficiency. All these tests done with a 300 watt brick connected to regular x86 laptops becomes really useless once you realize Macbooks will perform the same on battery. Imagine Apple providing a new computer allowing the CPU to suck 3x the power. We still have not seen the real power of Apple silicon. I seriously think x86 is about to be defunct once MS decides to put some effort towards the ARM platform. Sad thing is MS was there first but as usual they moved too fast, relied on unreliable partners and did it half assed. I hope they go into ARM market again. this is nothing but good news for all the customers.
I bought a macbook air m1 16GB recently. And I’m super surprised that it does not heat up like intel laptops doing web browsing, conferencing. It’s excellent at those tasks. But honestly, it can’t be compared with 3080 or any dedicated gpu. Sure, it has lower heat and wattage/performance. But it ain’t running AAA games Ultra@60fps 4k raytraced. It’s good if you’re not rendering stuff but if you’re rendering graphics, you will be way better off with dedicated gpu any day.
MacBooks are indeed better at Heavy tasks like editing and rendering but you can't do good gaming but The Windows laptop is where you can do both Gaming as well as editing
Getting still the same FPS even on battery on Macbooks, thats just mind blowing and just shows how efficiently they work. No wonder the battery is so insane.
I'm a big Apple person from way back. Working in IT my job is much easier if I'm using a Unix based OS which can emulate and seamlessly interoperate with Linux machines, while also having the ability to run Windows in a VM or as dual boot. That said, the big drawback to current Mac offerings is that for the most part they have taken away the ability to upgrade and troubleshoot. Everything like ram, CPU and SSD is soldered to the mainboard. This eliminates the possibility of mechanical stresses introducing a connection issue. But then you must buy the machine with the maximum configuration you will need down the road. You cannot buy a 16gb 512gb laptop and upgrade to 32gb and 1tb down the road. This also screws the pooch in terms of troubleshooting and in house support. When I was IT at a fully Mac ad agency we would quite often frankenstein several broken macs together to keep a user working. For example we would pull the ram from one and the boot drive from the users original computer and place them in a third while we sent their broken Mac to an Apple certified repair place to get the screen fixed. I've also done a lot of system troubleshooting on the cheese grater towers by swapping components back and forth to narrow down which subsystem was bottlenecking. On those you could replace CPUs, ram, disks and more. These days the Mac Pro tower has the system drives hardware encrypted to the mainboard they shipped with. If you are in a production environment and your Mac Pro craps the bed, you won't be able to yank those drives and put them in an adjacent machine and keep working. For this reason it behooves professionals using those machines to keep their work stored on a NAS or external RAID volume.
So Intel Embree CPU-bound Ray Tracing is significant in Cinebench but insignificant in Blender. Embree leans so much on SIMD (SSE/AVX/NEON but not AMX!) it's unrepresentative of almost any workload & should be ignored or at least dropped until optimised fully for M1 SIMD for a fair comparison.
The problem here is that you're comparing the highest-wattage laptop 3080 presumably to compare gaming frame rates, but then you're comparing power draw. That's not a fair comparison; GPU performance-per-watt is not linear. An 80w laptop 3080 is not half the performance of a 165w 3080. It's more like ~75% the performance - which is definitely significant when it comes to enjoying games, but would still outperform the FPS of the Macbook Pro's GPU at 4K by a noticeable margin. Likewise, Ryzen 5000-series CPUs are extremely power efficient as well, and you could throttle it downward with minimal gaming performance. You could almost certainly shave off at least 100w from the Lenovo's power draw and still significantly outperform the MBP's gaming frame rates.
It is a fair comparison. Look at the GFX Bench gaming benchmark. They each achieve around the same results when using optimized APIs like Metal/Directx 12 etc, but the MacBook draws vastly less wattage. Besides, gaming is not a fair comparison for your comment. Macs and macOS are poorly optimized for gaming for many different reasons, some of which I showed in the video. Consider all the other areas e.g. video editing, After Effects, coding etc. All can be done at typically the same level of performance as the RTX laptop, but at significantly less wattage.
Great video! I use a Windows laptop (Aero Gigabyte) for my 3D workflow, I do 3D animation. I used my laptop for commute and Zoom classes at home during college. I graduated recently and loved my laptop. Only frustrating thing with my laptop recently is that the fans sounded like grinding noises, despite me cleaning out dust from the fans. I had to do fan replacement and paid a repair but it's happening again (5 months apart) even though I got a laptop cooler to help get out any excess heat on my desk and hopefully makes my computer work less harder. One thing I loved about Apple is the battery as well as being able to keep working with the charger unplugged. I own an older Apple laptop (Macbook Air) back in high school (2017 model) and it still works great, I still use it for research, browsing the web, etc. plus I liked the fans weren't so loud, and build quality feels great with Apple. I wear noise canceling headphones but the grinding fans from my Windows laptop while rendering out a 3D animation can be annoying sometimes. I also love to do gaming on Windows laptop but I may have to bring my laptop in for repair again due to fan issues. It sucks especially since I have gotten into VR gaming and want to get a few games on Steam, plus I have been making more videos recently. I had to activate noise cancelling in backgrounds to reduce any fan noise but sometimes my microphone still picks it up. When the fans work properly on Windows laptop it does a great job, but recently the fans would halt to a stop or spin really fast which concerns me. It sometimes makes me wish the fans are more durable for my Windows laptop. I loved both Apple and Windows for either pros and cons. I've been considering building a home Windows computer so I can take advantage of more raw performance with bigger 3D scenes as I work (plus hopefully the heat will release more easily along with better fans). I always wanted to get a Macbook Pro laptop for portability and battery performance. I hope that Apple laptop will get more 3D support like Maya, Blender, etc. for faster 3D rendering. For now I've just been focused on saving up money. Great video! I loved seeing the comparison, everything is well organized. 👍
@@j4hoo115 That's a great suggestion! Thanks for the advice, I'll look it up. Hopefully with this it will help my laptop to cool down and not have the fans work as hard.
Now apple's real downfall right now is anything that needs massive parallel processing for 3d rendering. Which honestly is no surprise with 32 cores? I don't get the point of all these comparisons. I have to say the Mac is currently the better choice for anything that does not involve 3d
@@theharbingerofconflation uh yes i do macos is proprietary, so its by default not as secure as open source, the chance of backdoors and other shit is huge, just saying day 1 exploits. If you really want privacy and security you use linux
@@GodOfChaos_HeXa Okay leaving Linux as a whole out of the equation (because I think you underestimate the rabbit hole of exploits on popular distress) and saying compared to Arch, OpenBSD or Illumos specifically MacOS is definitely more at risk, I'd agree. Among the spectrum of proprietary systems it has a clear security focus however given they back port things from systems like HardenedBSD like mandatory access control and w^x. On privacy, being that you can disable SIP and go pretty deep in the OS since it is still just another UNIX system, it is actually possible to look at all base traffic unencrypted and if you disable iCloud the OS is actually quiet, even the iCloud traffic however is rather anonymised with your location queries for example split to a point where even mitm is a rather tedious endeavour. Therefore I'd say if you gotta use proprietary software as well MacOS is kind of the best option.
When you take power off Windows laptop it probably switches to integrated GPU. There might be a way to force a dGPU. Battery performance will suck though.
Like, after all you are comparing a office laptop to a gaming one, the cpu on the mac is more powerfull because it is optimized for editing and office work, while the windows laptop is made specifically for plaing games
I have used Windows all my life but I am planning on switching to a M1 pro Macbook and a PS5 (whenever those are in stock). My current laptop has a 2-3 hour battery life and weighs 5 ponds, and that's excluding the charging brick (which feels as heavy, if not heavier). I'd rather have the insane battery life and relatively light weight laptop for coding and media consumption, and a console for gaming. Plus that gorgeous screen is just a cherry on top...
i remember the first laptop i ever bought... i expected so much (being able to use it on the go) but then i realized that i have 2-4 hours of low performance, low screen light time to use. very disapointing, ended up using the laptop as a pc for his entire lifespan. now i have a pc and consider buying a macbook for the one the go things
Same here. I got a Windows laptop workstation during college years for animation and I got into 3D animation. Gaming was also great on my laptop, as well as making videos. I commuted and also did Zoom so it made sense to me. But recently the fans has stopped working properly which made me consider of building a PC and then getting an Apple Macbook Pro laptop for on the go workflow. I had to pay for repair for my Aero Gigabyte laptop, and like 5 months later the fan issues came back (grinding, fans stopping, fans spinning too fast, etc) which sucked. I always kept it at my desk and made sure to clean my laptop internally with air spray to remove excess dust, even propped up in a laptop cooler stand with fans on, yet the fan issues seems to persist. It didn't slow down my workflow or rendering but just to be safe I've been doing back ups, and I've been shutting down my laptop or put it to sleep mode when I am done working to hopefully improve the lifespan of my Windows workstation.
Apple M1 Max Pros: 1. Less Power Consumption 2. Less heat 3. Apple Ecosystem 4. Highly Portable Cons: 1. Unsupported graphic software's and tools (Requires 2-4 years of waiting) 2. No gaming (requires tinkering) 3. Very Pricey ( Apple TAX ) 4. Less free softwares Sometimes I feel like Apple deliberately failing to Win.
"Can a BMW motorbike beat a forklift?" - The M1 Macs are absolute beasts at content creation. They weren't designed to run demanding PC games, although they have incredible processing power and GPUs. If you want to play Fortnight at 1000FPS, get the RTX3080 laptop. If you want to do just about anything else and also be able to take your laptop into a meeting room and have the battery last longer than 30 mins and not sound like a jet engine the whole time, get the M1 Macbook Pro. These machines shouldn't be compared like-for-like - they were designed for TOTALLY different use-cases. There is a lot of overlap, but if you ignore this factor you're gonna have a bad time. Support for M1 GPU will increase quickly though but will never be like Xbox, PS or AMD/NVidia in terms of gaming, that's the reality, but it's not a problem for the M1/M2 Macs because that's not what they were made to do. One other note I will make is that the M series Macbook Pros are easily the best software development machines that money can buy. As a dev, nothing on the planet will beat these machines if your development workloads are support on M series silicon. The speed, stability, battery life and SILENT LAPTOP factors are all huge for developers. I don't think I've restarted my Macbook Pro more than one or two times in the months I've had it. That whole Windows thing where you're constantly restarting to install drivers & updates simply doesn't happen on M1 Mac OS.
You should consider doing more windows hardware reviews as much as you do Mac OS reviews on the devices, great slide shows, angles, commentary and of course the review itself too.
Thanks David! In 2022 my plan is to expand to much more than just Mac-focused content, and this is one of the first videos in the new direction for the channel.
Are you not going to talk about that x86 apps are still suffering from random crashing and/or freezing on the M1 MACs ? Even Apple's own Final Cut Pro suffers the same problem
I'm really interested how Apple is going to improve on the M2+ chips. And if they ever make a new Mac Pro and optimize it for raw performance instead of performance-per-watt, that thing will be absolutely insane.
@@imSpoon there's not much profit for a company like apple to make from PC gaming, especially if they're dealing with hardware. They're currently making more money from mobile gaming than what Microsoft, Playstation and Activision make 'combined'.
I have a lot of respect for what apple have done with m1, but i only need performance for gaming (i dont edit or do 3d modeling) so the fact that it cant even run a lot of games is a bit of a deal breaker. If im not gaming i dont need a $1000+ machine.
Nice test! I'm trying to find similar tests with the new 12th gen Intel pcus vs the m1. Specifically for davinci resolve. I just wonder how well the macs would handle an advanced project in 4.6k - 6k with a bunch of stabilisation and NR etc.... With a pc laptop, I could always plug it in to an e-gpu if I need more juice and aren't travelling 🤔
but egpu it's additional money , and if you not use laptop as an actual laptop , what's the point of having a laptop ? , that's where macbook keep balance
@@beyondalldreams well, a macbook is also extra money 😅. I get your point, but from my perspective the point of having a laptop is so I can set up a portable studio anywhere and travel with it. Not so I can have it on my lap. I always work on a large desk with extra screens and other accessories anyway, but I always wanted to get rid of the 40kg computer and replace it with something I can travel with. I can plug it in to all my screens and egpu when I'm working in my studio 80% of the time, but then I can just unplug it and bring it with me when I travel the world and work on some smaller projects from a hotel room. That's the point of a laptop imo. BTW, I ended up buying a Asus zenbook duo Pro 15 with the 12th gen i9 and an egpu with a rtx3080ti since I wrote my original comment. It's an amazing killer setup! Way faster than my massive 40kg box.
as a stop motion animator who also enjoys gaming, for me, more FPS in games comes second to animating/editing. Also im an apple fan boy, so i think i would choose the MacBook*. That is why i would go for the MacBook**. *This comment is sponsored by apple* **That was a joke**
Now we just need apple to have a line of gaming devices. They could really do something with these chips and self-cooling methods seen in the MacBook Air.
The M1 is great and all, but Windows refuses to release the structure for boot camp. It’s out there but everything to run it is slow or a paid service.
Despite trying to be unbiased, I feel this review is very biased. For example if you are comparing power consumption during tomb raider, you should run both laptops at the same fps. The 3080 is working alot harder to create many more fps so naturally will use more power. The Mac being unable to reach the same fps, will use less power.
I would love to see at least one channel making comparison in Baldur's Gate 3 between M1 Max and RTX 3080 :) This is the only one proper Metal implementation so far + native ARM build. I would really appreciate if you could record such a video. I believe M1 Max could be very close in this one
We'll see how this holds up with the AMD 6000 series and Intel 12th gen coming with some competition. Performance-wise I feel like they will match or surpass what apple is doing (its pretty close already). But in terms of efficiency, its gonna be tough to outlast an m1 macbook.
Meh, idk, performance wise they will probably destroy the macs, until you decide to actually use the thing as a laptop and use it unplugged, at least alder lake, even though incredibly performant is still a power hog
well can someone explaine to me the value of buying a laptop that steals all my data and gives it to apple and doesnt even allow me to install all the 3rd party shit i want on the lenovo i can litteraly just install linux and have all the privacy and securety i want and need
Thank you. This was very insightful! Does MBP M1 really fall short on Cinema 4D, as you mentioned, although you didn't show the statistic here on both machines? I am hoping to get the MBP M1 PRO for C4D, so need all the data I can regarding this. p.s. Please could you make the fonts bigger or a brighter color in the infographic page as they are not legible due to the black background, esp. while watching on a mobile phone or iPad. Thank you.
I'm using Redshift with C4D on a Mac M1 Pro and it works pretty well. It can't compare to a PC with a multiple GPUs, of course. But for creating still images and experimenting it works great.
* Can’t compare with single rtx 2080 from what I’m seeing. I do animation however. For lookdev or single frame renders it’s ok. Viewport performance is decent.
Good point, and I realised this after publishing! I made an updated video with a different, more powerful Windows laptop and updated the graphs, hopefully they are easier to read now: ua-cam.com/video/x0rcwATlSGg/v-deo.html
Take into consideration that the a laptop is meant to be portable and long lasting battery life. theres no doubt that the macbook has the exact same performance when its unplugged, world class battery life, uses significantly less power and the fans are barely audible. PC laptops will never catch up to Apple due to multiple different hardware vendors, amd, nvidia, intel, microsoft as the OS they dont work as good as Apple that makes from software to their very own silicon now.
What? No! Do you think Apple builds the stuff in their Office? They Design it, but they have the same vendors like all the other Brands you mentioned. The Chip is produced by TSMC, which also supplies AMD. Power supply Chip is bought from else where and as I have seen is the storage from Samsung just to mention a few. ;)
@@donnik7064 when it comes to the hardware yes, but what i meant is that the choice of hardware, specifications and os are designed for each other compared to windows. lol
@@joemamabidendementia how old are you? i did not say that laptop aren't supposed to be desktop replacement. but im talking about the definition of having a laptop in the first place. portability and battery life.
@@syakirbinabdkarim8302 what does age have to do with this? Also, you did nothing but repeat what you said in your comment. Everyone has different needs, thus, apple and windows laptops serve different needs primarily. Apple offers a better unplugged experience (battery life, performance when unplugged, weight), while most windows gaming laptops offer more raw power for gaming at the expense of the unplugged experience while still having considerably more mobility than desktops, obviously. So your argument that "PC laptops" (which is a stupid term honestly since all laptops are PCs or Personal Computers) will never catch up to Apple is very ignorant and wrong. These two brands of laptops serve different needs, stop being an ignoramus, or dare I say, an apple fanboy considering how much you are bootlicking apple from your comment alone.
What the hell is this? A CPU vs other GPU? This is what stupid people talk like when they yell, iPhone vs Android. Don't even know the software, hardware, specifics of either ones
Would love to see software fully optimized for the exact hardware configuration of the windows laptop vs the fully optimized software for the mac. Understood the memory plays a massive role in these numbers, so get a laptop with fast memory for this task. But you can see that until someone specifically releases software that is written to work specifically with a MAC, it is slower. I am not saying it still isn't impressive. But I will never replace my main PC with a Mac with how restrictive and conditional they are.
Thanks for the review!! As a Mac lover, I have some inherent bias, but you cannot discount the amazing power saving capacity of the new Apple chips. That shot with the voltmeter was very eyeopening. As a side note, I keep seeing in your vids (and many others) references to the fact that "software x" isn't yet optimized for Apple silicon. These kinds of statements suggest that the software will eventually be updated, but I cannot find any definitive answers on that. I'd love to see a video covering this - finding out if and when the major productivity software and game makers will make their products available to run natively on Apple silicon, but I know it would be extremely difficult to make such a video b/c I doubt many companies would share this information freely.
It's impossible to say if and when certain software will be optimized. We've seen the beginnings of it though - DaVinci Resolve is now 100% optimized for Apple silicon, and Blender soon will be too, as Apple have sent their own engineers over to help. Remember that Apple silicon is, still, only just over 12 months old at this stage. I think in the next 2-3 years we will see massive changes, but for now the process is painfully slow.
Apple products are expensive but We all gamers still buy iphones, after 1 year android phone starts lagging, but Even after 5 years Iphone works Well..
Great video ! 3:56 that puget bench refers to overall score, there are some detail scores like gpu, export, etc If you dont mind, I want to know more details because i've checked several puget bech scores both m1 max is always high because they won "standard live playback score" but lost on "standard export score" compared to rtx 3080
Apple was designed to be fully fledged at content creation (despite of lacks performance on RED), and their closed environment makes them not suited for people who wants to get everything he can get out of a computer. As for usual x86 computer (I can't said Windows powerhouse, because some people do prefer Linux), they are the most flexible in terms of usability.
The most impressive thing is that the Apple device is translating IN REAL TIME while playing games x86 and it is not even optimized for Metal. This is unbelievably impressive stuff from Apple.
@@chomp5558 Beaten in what? Gaming? That was never the true intent of this machine! If we count for the whole package like build quality, battery life, display, speakers, track pad, browsing and in general CPU related tasks hardly anything can beat the MB. M1 Max started that trend and it basically continues today with M3 Max which is basically as powerful as i9 13900KS.
@@davout5775 Yeah Gaming and redering did beat the macbook by margin. I looked it up and its true. The M1 Max chip is on par with the i9. Great that you mentioned it. The cheapest Macbook with a M1 Max chip, 32 gb ram and 512 gb internal storage costs 2900€. Whereas the Asus Zenbook 14X Oled has an i9 13900H, 32 gb ram, 1 tb of internal storage, an oled display with the same resolution of the Imac and additionally a RTX 3050. This actual machine costs 2.100 €..... At the same seller without any reduced prices. Now you can actually save 800€, get a proper graphic card, an equivalent processor, more storage, same monitor and you are analysing the travel of the keyboard? Its utterly bullcrap you are telling. The only usecase which is logical is that you want to edit some videos. ANY other use case you can get a better and cheaper windows pc, except for one use case: Showing your friends that you got the fancy newest imac, cuz you are hip. As long as you keep throwing money at Apple for nothing, they will continue making you pay money for a wannabe experience and you guys are just buying it, its funny.
I think you forgot testing the laptops for software development (e.g. compiling source files) as well as mentioning that the Lenovo easily runs Linux, which brings huge performance and security improvements to many workflows.
The best thing about Mac comparing to Windows is that you don't have to install Linux to get an excellent programing environment that Unix-like systems provide. OS X itself is a Unix-like system with fully-featured terminal, POSIX and so on. Just install your favorite toolchain and you're good to go. Of course, there's WSL2 on Windows that make such things easer, but it will never be as smooth as having it all in the host OS already.
Currently on a macbook myself; must say that the work applications run much smoother on a Windows Device (word, excel). The file formatting and use of images on certain sites are much easier to manage over a Windows device, but I will say that the Mac has excellent photoshop and other accompanying features. Overall, I think Mac's are much better for at-home tasks and schoolwork whereas WIndows is a much better device for operations relating to work tasks
Amazing comparison! Thanks for including dGPU numbers for Blender, unlike many other channels. One thing though, when you showed Total Power Draw from Wall with Tomb Raider 4K Benchmark, M1 Max is not 3x more efficient, it's just consuming less but giving you half the performance. If you want to compare efficiency you would have to cap somehow the fps in the Legion at what the M1 Max was getting and see how it was consuming then :) Thanks for the video!
This is a very good point and honestly it makes the Macbook look better than it really is. Generally speaking, GPU performance per wattage is never linear - an 80w 3080 isn't 50% the performance of a 165w 3080. More like 75%-ish. In other words, you could probably shave ~100w off the Lenovo's power draw for CPU and GPU and still perform at least on par with the MBP in games, if not better.
All is good until the devices suddenly decide to die on you. Becuase of outlet issues, incidentally 2 devices died on me. One was a MacAir and the other was an HP pavillion Gaming. Guess which one is up and running at barely 20$ cost of repair, and which one is awaiting donor parts even after 3 months becuase repair schematics aren't available. Fun fact i could also extract the data from the HP just as a backup by disconnecting the SSD and plugging it in as a portable drive in another machine. Just mentioning some usual Pro and Cons
I'm surprised my M1 macbook didn't make as much as a peep or got warm when I threw games at it (tested dota & fortnite). upgraded from my previous magsafe compatible laptop (2014 mbp) and it is the damn best upgrade I've ever had. worth every single buck. the combined cpu/gpu chipsets are here to stay! looking forward to what intels ark is capable of (both desktop and mobile)! competition is good :)
So glad I listened to an audio engineer and got a Macbook Pro. I was so close to going with an Air because I thought the fans of the MBP would be a problem recording voice over. He said the M1 MBP will be as quiet as a mouse using Adobe audition. I haven't heard the fans turn on even once using cpu hungry dj apps.
When you talk about video editing, memory speed is king. Honestly, I think these competitions show more the advantage of high memory speed, while the m1 chip slows it down greatly.
UA-cam creators are generally just biased towards Apple products for no good reason. Apple may have a small edge in some aspects for video editing, but it gets absolutely trashed in nearly every other aspect. But Apple is trendy, looks 'stylish' and is more user friendly for the hipster content creators, so they will use it no matter what.
I bought a Mac Mini m1 and it crashed when I tried to open a 16gb sql file. I tried it on my Levono Thinkpad which is 4 years older and it opened the file with no problem. Microsoft office is not fast on M1 chip either. Mac M1/M2 chips are on average only 30 or 50 mins faster than PC and it’s not a deal breaker for me.
Dude...its obvious that Mac M1 are designed for productivity not for gaming. Apple doesn't care about gaming aspect of their product if it does they already made it for that propose long time ago.
Good to know the age old advice still holds true today. - If you're in the creative industry be it photo, video or music you should be on a mac. - If you're a gamer, you should be on a windows machine. /debate is over.
I made an updated video with an Intel i9 12900H and RTX 3080Ti laptop: ua-cam.com/video/x0rcwATlSGg/v-deo.html
Can you please add more contrast in color with your text and background on your graphs? Thanks
I supply the cat photo or 10 from time to time
Did you run on battery power?.. because windows laptops tend to lose performance while unplugged
windows wins as expected
Just compare only battery power on both..
Even tho i dont like the big price tags of apples products, I still think apple has really done something with the M1 chips, for something that draws so little power for how much performance it gives is really insane
@PRO GAMER recently its been more than just expensive i think, they started actually manufacturing insane chips and I think that with the whole ecosystem, the expensive prices are more than worth.
@@LXVT yeah thats true, but they capp their products in purporse, just compare the front camera from the macbook pro vs the iPad Pro, or the files explorer on ios vs mac os…
Exactly
@PRO GAMER I agree in a general but honestly the M1 air range laptops are CHEAPER than many competitors, yet offer better performance/ergonomics on a machine that isn't even intended for pros. I think they really disrupted the industry by going in-home with the chip production. For the higher end macs, I was surprised (idk why) to find out that similarly spec-ed windows laptops pretty much cost the same.
@@LXVT I don't think it's even that good. their "ecosystem" is really a walled garden. Maybe when linux starts working on the M1 i'll be more supportive, but until then I'll pass.
The fact you can play FOUR 4K windows at the same time in resolve is just mind blowing. I remember needing to create 720p proxy files in premiere pro not just five years ago. We’ve made huge leaps in computing power since then.
Significantly! It makes me enthusiastic for the marvels in computation we shall be met with in the not-so-distant era!
Resolve is insanely good, especially considering the regular version is free and still comes with the vast majority of the great features. No real downside to it like other free programs
What’s crazy is that apple put that chip on a fkin tablet
Tf you mean we. You didn’t do any inventing you’re just a consumer.
Moore's Law is real
I don't care about how powerful any Apple product is. I don't want to pay to be locked into a limited ecosystem that dictates how I use the laptop I paid for.
Looks like Macs make more sense as well-rounded laptops and Windows PCs as brute power desktops. Regardless of size/weight, the performance drop without wall-power makes gaming laptops essentially desktop replacements that you can easily move from one power outlet to another. That’s been my experience owning everything from MacBook Pros to portable gaming laptops to beefy thiccboi gaming laptops.
Yep, although there is the issue of pricing. Windows laptops are still much cheaper, and I left that out in this video on purpose to really focus on the performance differences. For me the gaming is and will always be the deal-breaker for moving 100% to Macs. I have the 16" M1 Max for 95% of my daily work/usage, but will always need my RTX 3080 desktop PC for gaming (or a gaming laptop). If you don't game though...the M1 Max is an easy choice.
@@CreatedTech exactly mirrors my sentiments. Until this chip shortage storm fades away and computer component pricing returns to “normal,” I find myself gravitating more towards a MacBook Pro + gaming console combo. I’d love to build a high end gaming desktop, but can’t justify current inflated prices to only fill that gaming void.
For me the Mac is my work tool and I game on a PlayStation or Xbox or Nintendo.
nah，compatibility sucks on MBP. I’m a mechanical engineer and MBP won’t fit my work as well.
A lot of autocad users go windows despite having autocad mac version
Fanboy claims wrongfully that people use windows because they have no option in mac version.
They're both great equally. Depends on what you need them for. I have the 3080 laptop for gaming mostly and blender sometimes. The M1 Max would be great for on-the-go working people.
The little detail ("lower/higher is better") is really nice, i never saw that by other M1 comparison videos.
Thank You! You are legitimately one of the first channels to properly compare the 3D rendering capabilities of Apple Silicon and Nvidia's GPUs. There are so many times when I see other UA-camrs use an older version of blender or CUDA instead of OptiX for Nvidia...there can be massive differences. A slight correction: at 7:12 you state that OptiX uses artificial intelligence to accelerate the rendering process but it is actually the ray tracing cores (something that Apple doesn't have) that do the bulk of the job. I also liked the comparison on battery as not many other channels do that. I hope you get more recognition for the work you put into your videos!
Whoopsie... I screwed that clip up. I talked about the OptiX AI-Accelerated Denoiser for Blender rendering as an example of further RTX optimization that the Mac didn't have, but must have accidentally cut out the sentence on ray tracing before that. Good catch!
No, it was comparing powerful gaming machine with light laptop that was build with different goals in mind.
@@atcatpl Ah yes, a $4000 M1 Max MacBook is a "light" laptop. Great analysis!
@@CreatedTech I meant it is not a gaming machine.
@@atcatpl So what? Gaming is only one section of this video.
Not a big fan of Apple's overpriced products (base model M1 owner here), but my issue with other laptops is how loud and hot they get, aside from power consumption. If Intel or AMD can come up with something capable of video-editing without sounding like an F1 car AND without turning into an oven, I'd switch in a pinch. But so far, they can't compete.
How do you think users did with noisy laptops? Noise gives you panic attack?
@@Teluric2 I've had Intel laptops 20 years. It doesn't give me panic attacks, but it is annoying. And if I can buy something that doesn't make a sound and doesn't heat up, I will. That's why I bought the Mac ;)
@@Teluric2 We just dealt with it with a bitter smile from embarrassment. Nothing worse than people in cafes and libraries, or in class turning around to look at you when you boot up the laptop. Yes, just booting up.
New laptops are quiet even with 3080 onboard
Exactly, a side of my desktop i use window Asus rog strig 2 and its sounds like airplane just getting up… 😄.. super hot and without charger doesnt work. 🤷♂️
Finally someone who is talking about the performance when the laptops are disconnected, people don't understand how important it is for someone who uses their laptops a lot without charging it especially with the M1 mac having a huge battery life!
Its amd's problem..even a kid knows amd sucks for laptops! Intel has no issue! He chose amd instead of i9 which has twice the cpu performance than m1 max for the same price because he is biased af!
@@Variable_Degree_Series CPU performance doesn't make an overall good laptop.
There's way more stuff that makes the MacBook a better laptop and its literally explained almost on every reviewer video on UA-cam -
macOS, Battery life, build quality, TB4 full support, best speakers and screen available, every type-c port lets you charge your laptop with a 25w+ charger, same high performance when the laptop is unplugged, best trackpad, i can go on... yes its not a gaming laptop but other then that. nothing beats the macbook currently if its not about gaming.
@@gam3stv I was talking about the stuff where you said about using the laptop without charger..
Well most of the applications support windows only, windows laptops not only have better cpus, they have better gpus too..
I can't help if you are a big time isheep to just ignore these stuffs..
Macs just don't work unlike what apple says..many stuffs can be done on windows only..
Sure macs are good office laptops but only the air..
And windows laptop have way vaster charging..won't even spit at 25 watt..you just spoke utter nonesense..windows laptops are great if you open your eyes..
And I don't know how many hours do you use your laptop in a place where there is no power source? My laptop gives me 6-7 hours..
Not to mention ARM can't handle heavy tasks..X86 is made for complicated tasks..crom from what I heard you, even a tablet will do for you lol..you don't need a laptop..
Oh and not to mention that there are windows laptops with better battery life or atleast nearly the same and still more power than macbooks..they are based on intel's veo paltform..
Well said
Good comparison of both laptops. I really appreciate the comparison of noise level, power consumption etc as it is very important.
Yeah 30fps at 4k ain’t bad for a $3,500 laptop‼️
One is for work, for productive meme ed of the society, the other is for people who lives with their parents
@@federicoleoni8342 🤓
@@federicoleoni8342 bruh what🤔
Glad you brought up the amount of wattage the RTX sucks up, and the performance on battery. Efficiency is NOT the RTX's strong suit. For gaming Windows computers will be indeed king, but I think eventually you will see more gaming coming the Macs way.
Great video and you did try to stay true to your intent. A few things if I may:
Starting from the end, the three options for the RTX. #3 was if you needed Windows. I am running both Windows 10 & Windows 11 on my M1 Mac (Microsoft Preview Editions for ARM64) with Parallels.
For gaming, I follow another UA-camr who has compared gaming on M1 with Intel by using Crossover and/or Parallels. You may want to mention those options and maybe try them and run benchmarks.
Thanks
Crossover should get a boost soon when a lot of the work for Proton and Steam deck get moved back... but its still limited by Apple's Metal API which is pretty poor. That said... if Apple does what they did with Rosetta 1, and kills off Rosetta 2 after a couple years, then that is the end of Crossover for Mac unless they can work some type of miracle with a CPU emulator, but current open source ones do not run well enough.
@@MissyMalaprop big issue is only metal, imo proton could probably run on macos with a slight modification, but vulkan no existing on mac is problematic
Forgot to mention the price tags. The M1 max is like $3500 😂 you can get that Legion 7 for about half the price
Note: The windows laptop performance has a day night difference when you test them with plugged in and plugged out.
That might be due to battery management go into balance mode instead of performance when plug-in. Could always change it in setting.
@@user-vr1zc6tz9n nah rthe battery physically cannot output enough power to power the components
@@joshwayop that what I thought too until I tried it on my lappi. Plus I also did it on my pc and it was awful.... Didn't notice it until a year later(I know ಠ⌣ಠ) after constantly getting underperform than expected in games with the spec I had. Rarely play aaa game so didn't notice for so long...
He already pointed that out in the video though, did you watch it?
M1s are good for their impressive battery life and that low power consumption with extremely high performance. But if Apple thinks that will beat NVIDIA 3080, even the laptop version, they need to hire better Technical consultants.
It’s quite amazing how polished this UA-cam channel has gotten even your hand gestures and overall hand movement are pro level anchorman or late night host level. However the content hasn’t changed as it has always been top of the line.
One thing mentioned has to be the price. A 3080 laptop slaughters the Apple laptop when it comes to pricing
I finally took the plunge into a new macbook (first time). Didn't wan't to connect my laptop to the wall so often and new laptops seem to suffer the same fate. Now full power on the go!
8:17 this is the only valid comparison that all of us need
Cool vid. One common scenario I'd love to see a comparison is for video conferencing while screen sharing. This seems to always tax a laptop like crazy. Curious to see what that's like on an M1 Max Pro vs. other machines.
For the sake of completeness (because I do love this video in general), I would like to see this scenario/test be included as well. But for what it's worth, I've seen other videos testing this and the M1 (Pro/Max) don't even spin up their fans in this scenario, even with Zoom (which is less optimized than Apple's own software) and had "amazing" battery life doing it. I saw this video a long time ago, so I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure the Mac ended up being able to do that on battery for 3x as long as the Windows laptop it was being compared to.
It's probably a lot better of an experience on the M-series machines.
I have an M1 Max and have done this. 2x 4K dual-monitor setup plus the Retina display on-board. With HD video calls (need good Internet!), I am simultaneously recording my screen (using OBS, not Zoom), doing a screen share and running development workloads on other monitors. It doesn't even blink, totally smooth. Anything video-related on M1 works like a dream for me. In fact I have not been able to smoothly record 4K streams like this on Windows yet, we do a lot of tutorial videos and 4K with DPI turned up looks unbelievable for our training videos.
I think you're giving the M1 silicon too much credit, saying that it just isn't optimized all the time. The M1 should be able to properly render using OpenGL since it has been the standard for ages. That is not an optimization issue, that's an issue with the chip itself
M1 is working on 4nm and have same performance as 7nm therefore when amd have 4nm processor it is going to end arm
I'm doing 3D modelling and video editing on my 2015 HP omen gaming laptop. For a person like me, both of these seem to be great upgrades. I think I'd go with the mac here. Both blow my laptop out of the water, but it would be nice to have one that doesn't get hot.
Higher degrees on laptops does not affect the pc anymore like last 5 years . We can consider this as a normal thing. It's not a good thing but it's not bad too.
No 3d max on Macs..
3d rendering on mac 🤣🤣🤣
3d rendering seriously 🤣🤣
My guy literally showed 3d rendering is league better on rtx then on m1 bro
My very simple choice of usage for both:
1.) Macbooks --- Video & image editing etc., some office work
2.) Gaming Laptops (Windows) --- Gaming (obviously), some office work
That's it, I just draw the line for each. I don't hate on one brand for another. I don't compare apples (pun intended) to oranges.
Not to mention that the Macbook costs more than double
Thumbs up, nice comparison and high video quality
Are you sure about that?
@@abdullahtahir4486 uh yea more than sure. In my country, the cheapest m1 max costs here 3449€ while the msi leopard 11 with i7 11th gen and rtx 3080 costs 1499€. Idk how much the reviewed windows notebook costs in the video but id guess about that price too.
@Special Herbs Here in New Zealand the Macbook M1 is $5250 NZD, the Legion 6 ( As stated in the video and description) is $2500. This is an error as its not the Lenovo legion 6 that has a 3080, it's the Lenovo Legion 7 (Gen 6 ). The Lenovo Legion 6 has the 3070, this is probably what's causing confusion. The legion 7 with the 3080 cost's $4,475.
@@boogusnutsack5926 Lenovo Legion 7i Gen 6 (16" Intel) with i7-11800H and rtx3080 bought for 2500 euros.
@@IoT_ Which is $4220 NZD, spot on target.
Several points, software is important for the overall equation in performance. I believe that the M1 Max hardware is all that and a bag of chips too, but that fully optimized software is going to take time. Blender 3D will eventually prove out, but will be long after Alpha if Metal support as that’s not even tuned yet, just getting Metal working.
Microsoft is actually the worse in terms of optimization, windows runs on intel/nvidia and AMD chips unlike macOS running only the m1, those other chips unlike the m1 are 10nm, 7nm and 8nm
Cannot agree more on this point.
With such amazing hardware we need software support as well.
Translating through Rosetta defeats purpose of great hardware.
Same is the problem with M1 iPads!! iPad OS is just not ready to utilise the full potential of the hardware.
@@carholic-sz3qv it's because macOS runs on apple hardware only so they Can highly optimise their software unlike windows or linux which need to support way more hardware
@@ioneocla6577 yes but fortunately it gives more choice to people, people can build their own computer for their needs…. Also Microsoft has been trying to make a single very few chips more optimised
Blender 3.1 is out now and the metal GPU render path is designed by apple. It's optimized alright. However, a desktop 3080 is still 7 times faster than an M1 Max. Why? Because the M1 has no raytracing cores. It will never perform equally in raytracing tasks.
I think you are testing the MAC with light software, would be interesting testing it with some heavy software like 3D simulations in Houdini for example.
Great comparison mate. Appreciate all the work that went behind the scenes for this.
Nice comparison! I´d like to see one between XPS and MBP 16 with intermediate specs which is what most people would buy. For example, 16gb ram, 3050ti, vs M1 Pro MBP
Did you find any ?
@@reinierkhamala4791 nope
M1 Pro is better. 3050ti is trash. Even the desktop version is mediocre.
If you're referring to the base M1 though then maybe they'd start to trade blows but the 3050ti vs m1 pro is like comparing a banana and cucumber
@@bookbeats3454 maybe m1 pro will blow it in the editing department but not in the gaming/3d modeling stuff
Both great laptops for their use cases. Being a 3d artist id still go for raw firepower over battery life considering I’m going to want the best performance while working for hours and personally have never worked on a commercial project at a cafe or somewhere without an outlet since I’m going to need constant WiFi anyways at all times for redshift rendering and downloading assets.
But would you still consider a laptop rather than a computer?
@@rayensabandar8392 depends on what I do for a living. If I work for an agency and I'm handling one part of a project rather than the whole thing. Yeah. I don't mind having a beefy laptop. But if I was a freelance cg generalist (which I am), I'd go with a computer and remotely controlling it using parsec (granted my host computer has great internet)
@@rayensabandar8392 never really saw a point in having a beefy laptop if I constantly need internet for work anyways. Might as well just get one high end PC and a laptop that can do basic things and remotely control it. Plus parsec has 4:4:4 color mode so it's pretty accurate
What about 3d max that doesn't run natively on Macs?? How do you manage that?
@@CatWAVE-qq1gs well then you just need windows. I'm not a (insert 3d software) fanboy. They are literally just tools. I'm currently using Houdini, blender and c4d with Redshift and Cycles on top of after effects for compositing (nuke is still a mystery to me). My point wasn't that a MacBook was better than a windows laptop. If you intend to do it properly, you need proper hardware and I don't know if there are any factors that I don't know of which prevents you from just getting a dedicated workstation PC instead of a gaming laptop or a Mac. What I was saying that both have their perks (according to the use case thats tailored for u) but put aside the ego and really think why are you choosing one over the other. I tried working on a gaming laptop for a week (got it as a loaner). I was working at home for the most part and it just wasn't as good as a proper rig with a dedicated 3080ti.
As someone who has never owned a Mac, I recently found myself needing a laptop computer to complement my school and work-workflow (video and photo editing) that I typically do on my Windows desktop that is pretty beefy (3700x and 1080Ti w/ 32GB RAM). After much deliberation I decided on the Razer blade 14" with an RTX 3070. After severe disappointment since I felt like I was always forced to be plugged in to properly use it, I returned it. I recently received my Macbook Pro 14" with 10 core CPU and 16 core GPU and while I haven't had time to extensively test it (or just have heavier workloads on it), I am already much more happy with the general use experience and the battery life compared to the Razer Blade.
You mind sharing your experience with the blade 14? I just purchased the 3070 model (arriving tomorrow, while I’m away lol) and i have a similar desktop setup with an i7 9700k and a 1070 ti. I’ll admit, I’m just a barber so no need for a powerful work machine lol, but I like to game for a few hours at night: do you think it would be a good laptop for playing RPGs on the couch and the occasional session on trips? I don’t need the battery life to be crazy good, and I mostly intend on playing at 1080p, but do you think I’ll be disappointed? I don’t need it to replace my desktop but I hear it’ll perform similar
@@SuchFinessse I mean if your main goal is gaming I am sure it will be fine but it really is night and day in terms of fps as soon as you unplug it from the charger. Also it gets loud fast (at least loud for me) not too bad if you are using headphones. My mentality when getting it was to be able to go on a trip and on site be able to cut some footage or touch up some pics and maybe be able to game from a hotel or something but it was just really disappointing in productivity for me when unplugged. If yours comes with Windows 10 installed I highly recommend putting off Windows 11 for as long as possible, it slowed down even opening my web browser considerably.
@@itisriley interesting… Thank you, I appreciate the response! I also heard not to upgrade to windows 11. For the most part, I planned on keeping cpu/gpu settings on medium in hopes it would help with thermals. I think mostly, this is gonna be my uber expensive couch piece when I’m chilling at home with the family. So maybe it’ll be good for that. If not, I can always return 🤷♂️.
yeah, small 14" or any thin gaming laptops are always very loud. Its better to get a really big one with proper cooling... but unless you want to game, then the Mac should be a better experience over all.
@@itisriley Mac's downgrade performance of the laptop significantly when not plugged in to maximize battery life. Gaming laptops don't naturally do this and so battery life always feels worse on them. It's an easy fix but most people don't think about it and assume Mac's always have better battery life, when really it's just settings tweaks. But, naturally, the gaming laptop still has stronger performing components that are going to pull a little bit more power.
I'm a software developer and I sold RTX + AMD laptop for M1 purely because of the fan noise. Every time I hit build it feels like a jet launch. I had enough and sold it, and decided will never go back to gaming laptops for dev purposes.
who even use gaming laptop for coding
@@minhminh-wp5lg There are a lot of programmers who play games and seek peace when they want to focus.
If you used an Intel 12th gen with ddr5 and the 3080ti it would've won every round, ddr4 vs ddr5 is extremely big in those scenarios
Do you want a fucking medal??
By far the BEST comparison video I've seen so far, awesome work man. Thank you for taking the time to make this video
How can it beat a 3080 when Apple M1 cant even run all AAA games. It's like being buff and going to the gym but it can't lift anything at home or do chores
Great review, really impressed by the power/performance of the M1, even the Max version. Have a standard M1 today and fan noise is a thing of the past. Love this machine.
Dude your production quality is absolutely insane 🔥🔥
M1 is a marvel in terms of efficiency. All these tests done with a 300 watt brick connected to regular x86 laptops becomes really useless once you realize Macbooks will perform the same on battery. Imagine Apple providing a new computer allowing the CPU to suck 3x the power. We still have not seen the real power of Apple silicon. I seriously think x86 is about to be defunct once MS decides to put some effort towards the ARM platform. Sad thing is MS was there first but as usual they moved too fast, relied on unreliable partners and did it half assed. I hope they go into ARM market again. this is nothing but good news for all the customers.
The next Snapdragon (from the ex-Apple team) and MS buying Activision Blizzard will validate ARM gaming which should spill to the Mac versions.
It’s definitely not a marvel in terms of efficiency, it’s litteraly a 5nm chip beeing compared to an 7and 8nm chips lol….
@@daveh6356 it’s not from ex apple team lol…
@@carholic-sz3qv Qualcomm bought Nuvia, founded by ex-Apple CPU architect Gerard Williams.
@@carholic-sz3qv it outperforms most workloads at any given power rating. Just unplug the x86 laptop & see what happens.
I bought a macbook air m1 16GB recently. And I’m super surprised that it does not heat up like intel laptops doing web browsing, conferencing. It’s excellent at those tasks. But honestly, it can’t be compared with 3080 or any dedicated gpu. Sure, it has lower heat and wattage/performance. But it ain’t running AAA games Ultra@60fps 4k raytraced. It’s good if you’re not rendering stuff but if you’re rendering graphics, you will be way better off with dedicated gpu any day.
I'm in 3 d animation what should i get ,?
@@sadhoneychilli_emilia rtx
ye i got Asus Z15
MacBooks are indeed better at Heavy tasks like editing and rendering but you can't do good gaming but The Windows laptop is where you can do both Gaming as well as editing
M1 Macbook: you're the only one at the coffee shop without a power supply plugged into the wall
Getting still the same FPS even on battery on Macbooks, thats just mind blowing and just shows how efficiently they work. No wonder the battery is so insane.
I'm a big Apple person from way back.
Working in IT my job is much easier if I'm using a Unix based OS which can emulate and seamlessly interoperate with Linux machines, while also having the ability to run Windows in a VM or as dual boot.
That said, the big drawback to current Mac offerings is that for the most part they have taken away the ability to upgrade and troubleshoot.
Everything like ram, CPU and SSD is soldered to the mainboard. This eliminates the possibility of mechanical stresses introducing a connection issue. But then you must buy the machine with the maximum configuration you will need down the road. You cannot buy a 16gb 512gb laptop and upgrade to 32gb and 1tb down the road.
This also screws the pooch in terms of troubleshooting and in house support.
When I was IT at a fully Mac ad agency we would quite often frankenstein several broken macs together to keep a user working. For example we would pull the ram from one and the boot drive from the users original computer and place them in a third while we sent their broken Mac to an Apple certified repair place to get the screen fixed.
I've also done a lot of system troubleshooting on the cheese grater towers by swapping components back and forth to narrow down which subsystem was bottlenecking. On those you could replace CPUs, ram, disks and more.
These days the Mac Pro tower has the system drives hardware encrypted to the mainboard they shipped with.
If you are in a production environment and your Mac Pro craps the bed, you won't be able to yank those drives and put them in an adjacent machine and keep working.
For this reason it behooves professionals using those machines to keep their work stored on a NAS or external RAID volume.
The legion is way cheaper at 2000 dollars vs 3900 dollars
Apple be selling laptops with arm CPUs for such high prices while you could get a rtx 3080 laptop instead
So Intel Embree CPU-bound Ray Tracing is significant in Cinebench but insignificant in Blender. Embree leans so much on SIMD (SSE/AVX/NEON but not AMX!) it's unrepresentative of almost any workload & should be ignored or at least dropped until optimised fully for M1 SIMD for a fair comparison.
The problem here is that you're comparing the highest-wattage laptop 3080 presumably to compare gaming frame rates, but then you're comparing power draw. That's not a fair comparison; GPU performance-per-watt is not linear. An 80w laptop 3080 is not half the performance of a 165w 3080. It's more like ~75% the performance - which is definitely significant when it comes to enjoying games, but would still outperform the FPS of the Macbook Pro's GPU at 4K by a noticeable margin. Likewise, Ryzen 5000-series CPUs are extremely power efficient as well, and you could throttle it downward with minimal gaming performance. You could almost certainly shave off at least 100w from the Lenovo's power draw and still significantly outperform the MBP's gaming frame rates.
It is a fair comparison. Look at the GFX Bench gaming benchmark. They each achieve around the same results when using optimized APIs like Metal/Directx 12 etc, but the MacBook draws vastly less wattage.
Besides, gaming is not a fair comparison for your comment. Macs and macOS are poorly optimized for gaming for many different reasons, some of which I showed in the video. Consider all the other areas e.g. video editing, After Effects, coding etc. All can be done at typically the same level of performance as the RTX laptop, but at significantly less wattage.
Great video! I use a Windows laptop (Aero Gigabyte) for my 3D workflow, I do 3D animation. I used my laptop for commute and Zoom classes at home during college. I graduated recently and loved my laptop. Only frustrating thing with my laptop recently is that the fans sounded like grinding noises, despite me cleaning out dust from the fans. I had to do fan replacement and paid a repair but it's happening again (5 months apart) even though I got a laptop cooler to help get out any excess heat on my desk and hopefully makes my computer work less harder. One thing I loved about Apple is the battery as well as being able to keep working with the charger unplugged. I own an older Apple laptop (Macbook Air) back in high school (2017 model) and it still works great, I still use it for research, browsing the web, etc. plus I liked the fans weren't so loud, and build quality feels great with Apple. I wear noise canceling headphones but the grinding fans from my Windows laptop while rendering out a 3D animation can be annoying sometimes. I also love to do gaming on Windows laptop but I may have to bring my laptop in for repair again due to fan issues. It sucks especially since I have gotten into VR gaming and want to get a few games on Steam, plus I have been making more videos recently. I had to activate noise cancelling in backgrounds to reduce any fan noise but sometimes my microphone still picks it up. When the fans work properly on Windows laptop it does a great job, but recently the fans would halt to a stop or spin really fast which concerns me. It sometimes makes me wish the fans are more durable for my Windows laptop.
I loved both Apple and Windows for either pros and cons. I've been considering building a home Windows computer so I can take advantage of more raw performance with bigger 3D scenes as I work (plus hopefully the heat will release more easily along with better fans). I always wanted to get a Macbook Pro laptop for portability and battery performance. I hope that Apple laptop will get more 3D support like Maya, Blender, etc. for faster 3D rendering. For now I've just been focused on saving up money.
Great video! I loved seeing the comparison, everything is well organized. 👍
Or maybe you need to replace the thermocouples on the cooling system?
@@j4hoo115 That's a great suggestion! Thanks for the advice, I'll look it up. Hopefully with this it will help my laptop to cool down and not have the fans work as hard.
Now apple's real downfall right now is anything that needs massive parallel processing for 3d rendering. Which honestly is no surprise with 32 cores? I don't get the point of all these comparisons. I have to say the Mac is currently the better choice for anything that does not involve 3d
yeah or privacy or security
@@GodOfChaos_HeXa ? I think you have no idea what you are talking about, you sure you wanna get into that?
@@theharbingerofconflation uh yes i do macos is proprietary, so its by default not as secure as open source, the chance of backdoors and other shit is huge, just saying day 1 exploits. If you really want privacy and security you use linux
@@GodOfChaos_HeXa Okay leaving Linux as a whole out of the equation (because I think you underestimate the rabbit hole of exploits on popular distress) and saying compared to Arch, OpenBSD or Illumos specifically MacOS is definitely more at risk, I'd agree.
Among the spectrum of proprietary systems it has a clear security focus however given they back port things from systems like HardenedBSD like mandatory access control and w^x. On privacy, being that you can disable SIP and go pretty deep in the OS since it is still just another UNIX system, it is actually possible to look at all base traffic unencrypted and if you disable iCloud the OS is actually quiet, even the iCloud traffic however is rather anonymised with your location queries for example split to a point where even mitm is a rather tedious endeavour.
Therefore I'd say if you gotta use proprietary software as well MacOS is kind of the best option.
When you take power off Windows laptop it probably switches to integrated GPU. There might be a way to force a dGPU. Battery performance will suck though.
Like, after all you are comparing a office laptop to a gaming one, the cpu on the mac is more powerfull because it is optimized for editing and office work, while the windows laptop is made specifically for plaing games
I have used Windows all my life but I am planning on switching to a M1 pro Macbook and a PS5 (whenever those are in stock). My current laptop has a 2-3 hour battery life and weighs 5 ponds, and that's excluding the charging brick (which feels as heavy, if not heavier). I'd rather have the insane battery life and relatively light weight laptop for coding and media consumption, and a console for gaming. Plus that gorgeous screen is just a cherry on top...
i remember the first laptop i ever bought... i expected so much (being able to use it on the go)
but then i realized that i have 2-4 hours of low performance, low screen light time to use.
very disapointing, ended up using the laptop as a pc for his entire lifespan.
now i have a pc and consider buying a macbook for the one the go things
Same here. I got a Windows laptop workstation during college years for animation and I got into 3D animation. Gaming was also great on my laptop, as well as making videos. I commuted and also did Zoom so it made sense to me. But recently the fans has stopped working properly which made me consider of building a PC and then getting an Apple Macbook Pro laptop for on the go workflow. I had to pay for repair for my Aero Gigabyte laptop, and like 5 months later the fan issues came back (grinding, fans stopping, fans spinning too fast, etc) which sucked. I always kept it at my desk and made sure to clean my laptop internally with air spray to remove excess dust, even propped up in a laptop cooler stand with fans on, yet the fan issues seems to persist. It didn't slow down my workflow or rendering but just to be safe I've been doing back ups, and I've been shutting down my laptop or put it to sleep mode when I am done working to hopefully improve the lifespan of my Windows workstation.
Apple M1 Max Pros:
1. Less Power Consumption
2. Less heat
3. Apple Ecosystem
4. Highly Portable
Cons:
1. Unsupported graphic software's and tools (Requires 2-4 years of waiting)
2. No gaming (requires tinkering)
3. Very Pricey ( Apple TAX )
4. Less free softwares
Sometimes I feel like Apple deliberately failing to Win.
i dont get it the apple eco system is absolute trash, evert tried intalling 3rd party software
do you even care about your privacy and securety ?
"Can a BMW motorbike beat a forklift?" - The M1 Macs are absolute beasts at content creation. They weren't designed to run demanding PC games, although they have incredible processing power and GPUs. If you want to play Fortnight at 1000FPS, get the RTX3080 laptop. If you want to do just about anything else and also be able to take your laptop into a meeting room and have the battery last longer than 30 mins and not sound like a jet engine the whole time, get the M1 Macbook Pro. These machines shouldn't be compared like-for-like - they were designed for TOTALLY different use-cases. There is a lot of overlap, but if you ignore this factor you're gonna have a bad time. Support for M1 GPU will increase quickly though but will never be like Xbox, PS or AMD/NVidia in terms of gaming, that's the reality, but it's not a problem for the M1/M2 Macs because that's not what they were made to do. One other note I will make is that the M series Macbook Pros are easily the best software development machines that money can buy. As a dev, nothing on the planet will beat these machines if your development workloads are support on M series silicon. The speed, stability, battery life and SILENT LAPTOP factors are all huge for developers. I don't think I've restarted my Macbook Pro more than one or two times in the months I've had it. That whole Windows thing where you're constantly restarting to install drivers & updates simply doesn't happen on M1 Mac OS.
You should consider doing more windows hardware reviews as much as you do Mac OS reviews on the devices, great slide shows, angles, commentary and of course the review itself too.
Thanks David! In 2022 my plan is to expand to much more than just Mac-focused content, and this is one of the first videos in the new direction for the channel.
@@CreatedTech Yes, I'd love to see more Windows gaming laptop reviews.
Are you not going to talk about that x86 apps are still suffering from random crashing and/or freezing on the M1 MACs ? Even Apple's own Final Cut Pro suffers the same problem
Yeah on windows there aren't app crashing 🥴
I'm really interested how Apple is going to improve on the M2+ chips. And if they ever make a new Mac Pro and optimize it for raw performance instead of performance-per-watt, that thing will be absolutely insane.
I knew this ain't a fair fight before i clicked
Is that why you liked your own comment?
Yeo
wow.... this is really impressive. if game companies start optimizing the m1 chips, these little laptops would be ridiculous!
But that ain't happening.
@@fidelisitor8953 never say never 🤷♂️
@@imSpoon there's not much profit for a company like apple to make from PC gaming, especially if they're dealing with hardware. They're currently making more money from mobile gaming than what Microsoft, Playstation and Activision make 'combined'.
@@imSpoon That's why I said it won't be happening. Apple only venture into markets that they deem to be profitable.
@@fidelisitor8953 this aged like milk
I have a lot of respect for what apple have done with m1, but i only need performance for gaming (i dont edit or do 3d modeling) so the fact that it cant even run a lot of games is a bit of a deal breaker. If im not gaming i dont need a $1000+ machine.
Nice test! I'm trying to find similar tests with the new 12th gen Intel pcus vs the m1. Specifically for davinci resolve. I just wonder how well the macs would handle an advanced project in 4.6k - 6k with a bunch of stabilisation and NR etc.... With a pc laptop, I could always plug it in to an e-gpu if I need more juice and aren't travelling 🤔
but egpu it's additional money , and if you not use laptop as an actual laptop , what's the point of having a laptop ? , that's where macbook keep balance
@@beyondalldreams well, a macbook is also extra money 😅. I get your point, but from my perspective the point of having a laptop is so I can set up a portable studio anywhere and travel with it. Not so I can have it on my lap. I always work on a large desk with extra screens and other accessories anyway, but I always wanted to get rid of the 40kg computer and replace it with something I can travel with. I can plug it in to all my screens and egpu when I'm working in my studio 80% of the time, but then I can just unplug it and bring it with me when I travel the world and work on some smaller projects from a hotel room. That's the point of a laptop imo.
BTW, I ended up buying a Asus zenbook duo Pro 15 with the 12th gen i9 and an egpu with a rtx3080ti since I wrote my original comment. It's an amazing killer setup! Way faster than my massive 40kg box.
Yeah why would you even use a laptop in the first place for that, it's an overkill, you'd rather use a remote PC
as a stop motion animator who also enjoys gaming, for me, more FPS in games comes second to animating/editing. Also im an apple fan boy, so i think i would choose the MacBook*. That is why i would go for the MacBook**.
*This comment is sponsored by apple*
**That was a joke**
Now we just need apple to have a line of gaming devices. They could really do something with these chips and self-cooling methods seen in the MacBook Air.
@@xavierincepierre7773 fanboy logic
laughes in optimising for mac
The M1 is great and all, but Windows refuses to release the structure for boot camp. It’s out there but everything to run it is slow or a paid service.
Despite trying to be unbiased, I feel this review is very biased. For example if you are comparing power consumption during tomb raider, you should run both laptops at the same fps. The 3080 is working alot harder to create many more fps so naturally will use more power. The Mac being unable to reach the same fps, will use less power.
I would love to see at least one channel making comparison in Baldur's Gate 3 between M1 Max and RTX 3080 :) This is the only one proper Metal implementation so far + native ARM build. I would really appreciate if you could record such a video. I believe M1 Max could be very close in this one
The conclusion
Get a mac if you prefer work
Get the legion if you prefer gaming
Got the legion 7 max spec last december and it's a great laptop, almost on par with my 3080 ti Ryzen 9 5950x desktop
I found a way of reducing all the pros and cons: I'll just get both, which of course leaves me with only one con; I'm broke asf
We'll see how this holds up with the AMD 6000 series and Intel 12th gen coming with some competition. Performance-wise I feel like they will match or surpass what apple is doing (its pretty close already). But in terms of efficiency, its gonna be tough to outlast an m1 macbook.
Meh, idk, performance wise they will probably destroy the macs, until you decide to actually use the thing as a laptop and use it unplugged, at least alder lake, even though incredibly performant is still a power hog
M2
Can someone explain to me the value of buying a laptop that is literally useless when not plugged in? That performance difference is ridiculous.
well can someone explaine to me the value of buying a laptop that steals all my data and gives it to apple and doesnt even allow me to install all the 3rd party shit i want
on the lenovo i can litteraly just install linux and have all the privacy and securety i want and need
Thank you. This was very insightful!
Does MBP M1 really fall short on Cinema 4D, as you mentioned, although you didn't show the statistic here on both machines? I am hoping to get the MBP M1 PRO for C4D, so need all the data I can regarding this.
p.s. Please could you make the fonts bigger or a brighter color in the infographic page as they are not legible due to the black background, esp. while watching on a mobile phone or iPad. Thank you.
I'm using Redshift with C4D on a Mac M1 Pro and it works pretty well. It can't compare to a PC with a multiple GPUs, of course. But for creating still images and experimenting it works great.
* Can’t compare with single rtx 2080 from what I’m seeing. I do animation however.
For lookdev or single frame renders it’s ok. Viewport performance is decent.
@@vladimirtomin8223 Does it heat up when doing 3D?
Just a minute suggestion, increase the graph and text font size. It’s a bit small, but overall, the video is amazing just as before. Keep it up!!!
Good point, and I realised this after publishing! I made an updated video with a different, more powerful Windows laptop and updated the graphs, hopefully they are easier to read now: ua-cam.com/video/x0rcwATlSGg/v-deo.html
Take into consideration that the a laptop is meant to be portable and long lasting battery life. theres no doubt that the macbook has the exact same performance when its unplugged, world class battery life, uses significantly less power and the fans are barely audible. PC laptops will never catch up to Apple due to multiple different hardware vendors, amd, nvidia, intel, microsoft as the OS they dont work as good as Apple that makes from software to their very own silicon now.
What? No! Do you think Apple builds the stuff in their Office? They Design it, but they have the same vendors like all the other Brands you mentioned. The Chip is produced by TSMC, which also supplies AMD. Power supply Chip is bought from else where and as I have seen is the storage from Samsung just to mention a few. ;)
You are very narrow-minded. Not every laptop is meant to be portable, some are just meant to bw a desktop replacement with a lot of mobility.
@@donnik7064 when it comes to the hardware yes, but what i meant is that the choice of hardware, specifications and os are designed for each other compared to windows. lol
@@joemamabidendementia how old are you? i did not say that laptop aren't supposed to be desktop replacement. but im talking about the definition of having a laptop in the first place. portability and battery life.
@@syakirbinabdkarim8302 what does age have to do with this? Also, you did nothing but repeat what you said in your comment. Everyone has different needs, thus, apple and windows laptops serve different needs primarily. Apple offers a better unplugged experience (battery life, performance when unplugged, weight), while most windows gaming laptops offer more raw power for gaming at the expense of the unplugged experience while still having considerably more mobility than desktops, obviously. So your argument that "PC laptops" (which is a stupid term honestly since all laptops are PCs or Personal Computers) will never catch up to Apple is very ignorant and wrong. These two brands of laptops serve different needs, stop being an ignoramus, or dare I say, an apple fanboy considering how much you are bootlicking apple from your comment alone.
What the hell is this? A CPU vs other GPU? This is what stupid people talk like when they yell, iPhone vs Android. Don't even know the software, hardware, specifics of either ones
Would love to see software fully optimized for the exact hardware configuration of the windows laptop vs the fully optimized software for the mac. Understood the memory plays a massive role in these numbers, so get a laptop with fast memory for this task. But you can see that until someone specifically releases software that is written to work specifically with a MAC, it is slower. I am not saying it still isn't impressive. But I will never replace my main PC with a Mac with how restrictive and conditional they are.
Did you go back to resolve as your main editing software? I remember a while back you mentioned you were going to switch to FCP
Still using Final Cut Pro, but Resolve is just as good IMO.
Thanks for the review!! As a Mac lover, I have some inherent bias, but you cannot discount the amazing power saving capacity of the new Apple chips. That shot with the voltmeter was very eyeopening. As a side note, I keep seeing in your vids (and many others) references to the fact that "software x" isn't yet optimized for Apple silicon. These kinds of statements suggest that the software will eventually be updated, but I cannot find any definitive answers on that. I'd love to see a video covering this - finding out if and when the major productivity software and game makers will make their products available to run natively on Apple silicon, but I know it would be extremely difficult to make such a video b/c I doubt many companies would share this information freely.
It's impossible to say if and when certain software will be optimized. We've seen the beginnings of it though - DaVinci Resolve is now 100% optimized for Apple silicon, and Blender soon will be too, as Apple have sent their own engineers over to help. Remember that Apple silicon is, still, only just over 12 months old at this stage. I think in the next 2-3 years we will see massive changes, but for now the process is painfully slow.
Yes it’s a latest refined 5nm chip from tsmc unlike nvidia 8nm or intel 10nm or amd 7nm.
Apple products are expensive but We all gamers still buy iphones, after 1 year android phone starts lagging, but Even after 5 years Iphone works Well..
Great video ! 3:56 that puget bench refers to overall score, there are some detail scores like gpu, export, etc
If you dont mind, I want to know more details because i've checked several puget bech scores both m1 max is always high because they won "standard live playback score" but lost on "standard export score" compared to rtx 3080
After so many years of looking at tech products I learned that don't believe in Benchmarks..
Apple was designed to be fully fledged at content creation (despite of lacks performance on RED), and their closed environment makes them not suited for people who wants to get everything he can get out of a computer.
As for usual x86 computer (I can't said Windows powerhouse, because some people do prefer Linux), they are the most flexible in terms of usability.
Most of the guys doing RED postproduction use windows.
although Mac is expensive i think that the build quality and performance to power consumption is unmatched,
The most impressive thing is that the Apple device is translating IN REAL TIME while playing games x86 and it is not even optimized for Metal. This is unbelievably impressive stuff from Apple.
Yet it gets beaten by a laptop cheap than itself😂😂
@@chomp5558 Beaten in what? Gaming? That was never the true intent of this machine!
If we count for the whole package like build quality, battery life, display, speakers, track pad, browsing and in general CPU related tasks hardly anything can beat the MB. M1 Max started that trend and it basically continues today with M3 Max which is basically as powerful as i9 13900KS.
@@davout5775 Yeah Gaming and redering did beat the macbook by margin. I looked it up and its true. The M1 Max chip is on par with the i9. Great that you mentioned it.
The cheapest Macbook with a M1 Max chip, 32 gb ram and 512 gb internal storage costs 2900€.
Whereas the Asus Zenbook 14X Oled has an i9 13900H, 32 gb ram, 1 tb of internal storage, an oled display with the same resolution of the Imac and additionally a RTX 3050. This actual machine costs 2.100 €..... At the same seller without any reduced prices.
Now you can actually save 800€, get a proper graphic card, an equivalent processor, more storage, same monitor and you are analysing the travel of the keyboard?
Its utterly bullcrap you are telling. The only usecase which is logical is that you want to edit some videos. ANY other use case you can get a better and cheaper windows pc, except for one use case:
Showing your friends that you got the fancy newest imac, cuz you are hip.
As long as you keep throwing money at Apple for nothing, they will continue making you pay money for a wannabe experience and you guys are just buying it, its funny.
If apple ever optimizes/ships their computers with windows software, I may be onboard
I think you forgot testing the laptops for software development (e.g. compiling source files) as well as mentioning that the Lenovo easily runs Linux, which brings huge performance and security improvements to many workflows.
fast answer:
pure power: 12th gen intel
pure battery: apple m1
between both: amd ryzen
yeah the fact that you can just put any linux distribution on it is worth it, actuall privacy and securety. thats why i love linux
The best thing about Mac comparing to Windows is that you don't have to install Linux to get an excellent programing environment that Unix-like systems provide. OS X itself is a Unix-like system with fully-featured terminal, POSIX and so on. Just install your favorite toolchain and you're good to go.
Of course, there's WSL2 on Windows that make such things easer, but it will never be as smooth as having it all in the host OS already.
comparing cpu with gpu?
Currently on a macbook myself; must say that the work applications run much smoother on a Windows Device (word, excel). The file formatting and use of images on certain sites are much easier to manage over a Windows device, but I will say that the Mac has excellent photoshop and other accompanying features. Overall, I think Mac's are much better for at-home tasks and schoolwork whereas WIndows is a much better device for operations relating to work tasks
Haha wut… excel and word etc runs way smoother on a Mac.
1:49 Am I the only one who thought about a bitten screen when I saw a cat?
Amazing comparison! Thanks for including dGPU numbers for Blender, unlike many other channels.
One thing though, when you showed Total Power Draw from Wall with Tomb Raider 4K Benchmark, M1 Max is not 3x more efficient, it's just consuming less but giving you half the performance. If you want to compare efficiency you would have to cap somehow the fps in the Legion at what the M1 Max was getting and see how it was consuming then :)
Thanks for the video!
This is a very good point and honestly it makes the Macbook look better than it really is.
Generally speaking, GPU performance per wattage is never linear - an 80w 3080 isn't 50% the performance of a 165w 3080. More like 75%-ish.
In other words, you could probably shave ~100w off the Lenovo's power draw for CPU and GPU and still perform at least on par with the MBP in games, if not better.
I died from laughter after seeing the M1 gets 102 FPS compared to the RTX 3080 250+ FPS on Counter-Strike Global Offensive
All is good until the devices suddenly decide to die on you. Becuase of outlet issues, incidentally 2 devices died on me. One was a MacAir and the other was an HP pavillion Gaming. Guess which one is up and running at barely 20$ cost of repair, and which one is awaiting donor parts even after 3 months becuase repair schematics aren't available. Fun fact i could also extract the data from the HP just as a backup by disconnecting the SSD and plugging it in as a portable drive in another machine.
Just mentioning some usual Pro and Cons
I'm surprised my M1 macbook didn't make as much as a peep or got warm when I threw games at it (tested dota & fortnite). upgraded from my previous magsafe compatible laptop (2014 mbp) and it is the damn best upgrade I've ever had. worth every single buck. the combined cpu/gpu chipsets are here to stay! looking forward to what intels ark is capable of (both desktop and mobile)! competition is good :)
So glad I listened to an audio engineer and got a Macbook Pro. I was so close to going with an Air because I thought the fans of the MBP would be a problem recording voice over. He said the M1 MBP will be as quiet as a mouse using Adobe audition. I haven't heard the fans turn on even once using cpu hungry dj apps.
When you talk about video editing, memory speed is king. Honestly, I think these competitions show more the advantage of high memory speed, while the m1 chip slows it down greatly.
UA-cam creators are generally just biased towards Apple products for no good reason. Apple may have a small edge in some aspects for video editing, but it gets absolutely trashed in nearly every other aspect. But Apple is trendy, looks 'stylish' and is more user friendly for the hipster content creators, so they will use it no matter what.
I bought a Mac Mini m1 and it crashed when I tried to open a 16gb sql file. I tried it on my Levono Thinkpad which is 4 years older and it opened the file with no problem.
Microsoft office is not fast on M1 chip either. Mac M1/M2 chips are on average only 30 or 50 mins faster than PC and it’s not a deal breaker for me.
As a user who actively avoids apple products and talk them down, I am impressed with the results of the macbook.
I trust this guy way more than biased Max Tech
take a drink every time he says 'Apple Silicon' or 'Optimized' - have an ambulance waiting
Dude...its obvious that Mac M1 are designed for productivity not for gaming. Apple doesn't care about gaming aspect of their product if it does they already made it for that propose long time ago.
Good to know the age old advice still holds true today.
- If you're in the creative industry be it photo, video or music you should be on a mac.
- If you're a gamer, you should be on a windows machine.
/debate is over.