Of Course, I GAMED on the M1 Max!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 - New MacBook Pro M1 Max!
0:31 - Exterior
1:35 - Battery information
2:19 - Frameworks disclosure
2:26 - Can you game on an M1 Max?
3:16 - Sponsor - Jackery
3:47 - Laptop hinge
4:29 - Trackpad
4:51 - Notch
7:24 - Display HDR
8:26 - Keyboard & Chassis
9:24 - What's missing in this MacBook Pro
10:42 - I/O Ports
12:13 - Speakers
12:58 - lttstore.com Banana for Scale!
13:28 - Other capabilities
14:20 - Shown model specs
14:30 - Gaming!
15:55 - Outro - Наука та технологія
“GAMED on the M1 Max”
Games for 1m20s at the end of the video.
I was going to say the same thing, less than 10% of the video was about gaming, and it was literally one game that not many people even care about.
You must be new here
It’s an unboxing channel, they’ll put plenty of gaming in the full review
@@eriks1669 That wasn't an unboxing video. That was a "lets waste as much time possible before getting to the point" video.
@@BerserkFury89 You're sort of right; it's a first impressions (and therefore unboxing too) channel.
If you come here expecting all the details and complete accuracy, then it's on *you*.
I think Linus secretly loves "accidentally" breaking things. He tries so hard 🤣
It can’t be all accidental 💀
1:27 that joggling gives me anxiety
Oooh mami
When you can replace what you are holding without having to worry about it, im sure you get comfortable lol
666 likes....??? i love that
I like geeks who can see past the Apple fanboyism and Apple anti-fanboyism and critically review Apple's latest hardware offerings.
I know, right? Finally something other than “ooga booga Apple bad 😡” or “but unga bunga Apple best 😖”. Just a friendly comment section, instead of one that’s full of people just calling Apple products trash when half of them’ve never even used a Mac.
Isn't the idea of "fanboyism" or "antifanboyism" sort of strange when you think about it? All these companies making computers make billions of dollars each year. Why should we invest our time and energy defending them relentlessly and trashing their competitors on their behalf? And why should we trash what brings other people enjoyment? These companies don't need it and it doesn't do us any good.
@@Joel11111 It’s definitely not defending the company as much as it is defending your own personal bias and opinion. You chose an Apple product, you like what Apple does. Someone insulting the company insults your personal taste, choice and bias, so the natural impulse is to defend the company in a dire attempt to defend your opinion. This becomes even worse when you buy one of their products, then someone goes and gives factual evidence as to why other products are much stronger and better at the same price. You, trying to convince yourself that the product you bought is the best and that there is no way you made a mistake or overlooked a detail, defend the product you bought to the grave.
However, people mistake “being a human being with an opinion” for fanboyism, and also mistake “giving actual evidence that something is better than another” as fanboysim
For example, I saw a comment talking about how the new Macbook Pro is overpriced, pretending that the price of the 8TB model (7000 dollars) is the base price (the base price is 3500 dollars by the way), which is quite literally just lying to prove their own personal bias that Apple is Evil incorporated. Then, when people A- Called them out on it, or B- explained how the Macbook Pro is quite literally better than most notebooks/ultrabooks in their class with perfect explanations and reasoning as to why, they were completely ignored and called Apple fanboys.
The internet sucks ass.
Its where I can see both ends now that I've had positive experiences on both. Unfortunately for Apple, my daily needs don't fit in the package apple wants to ship.
@@svpracer98 it’s a bit worrying that Apple is becoming more and more hyper-focused on shipping products that are catered towards “creative professionals”. They even built in parts of the chip dedicated to accelerating certain media-production workloads on the M1 pro and max. These are entire blocks of the chip that are forever going to sit idle for anyone who doesn’t do media production. It used to be that they focused mainly on this market just on the software side of things, but now you can see this focus hard-coded into their silicon. Which makes me wonder, “okay, but what about everyone else who just prefers MacOS over Windows, apple”? Not everyone is a photographer, video editor, or music producer. It’s a shame they don’t make an effort to branch out into more markets.
1:38 It’s not W/h (“watt per hour”), it’s Wh (watt x hour)
E.g. If you’re using 50 watts you can run the 100 Wh battery for 2 hours.
a 50W/h computer with a 100Wh battery will work for 2 hours
@vu3aym you don't say watt/h
its like saying speed/h
if you do 50 mp/h, your wouldn't say "mph per hour"
the unit that can be expressed per hour is Joule.
1 Joule per second = 1 Watt
@@mugabe2606 Wrong. Watt/h is incorrect because it is watts times hours, not watts per hour. Watts are Joules/seconds, and a watt hour is 3600 joules.
@@mugabe2606 yes and no. A watt is derived from how many joules per second but watts is a unit of measurement for power itself. That is why a device is labelled 10w not 10J. He also didn't create the term Wh. He is just making a point that Wh isn't how many watts a battery can throughput but it's capacity.
@@vu3aym it's just 50W or 50 Wh per hour. (Wh\h = W)
As the previous guy said, W is already J\s
Jono: "It's about six inches."
Linus: "The length is about right, but it's girthier, and as we all know, that's the most important thing anyway."
That's what he said
Loo
Damn. You get 3 pr0n bots? I only get 1
Linus got the "it's big enough for me" talk from his wife confirmed
Say hello to my little friend!
Linus: "I gamed on m1 max"
Also Linus "here's 1 min of gaming In a 16 min vid."
Update: chill guys don't hate, it's just friendly and fun criticism.
@@taekwoncrawfish9418 Always has
Thanks a lot for pointing this out! Though I felt Linus' reasons for the company making clickbait titles for its videos was valid, this one's clickbaitiness was particularly annoying, because he gamed on the M1 Max for so little time that I couldn't understand how impressive its gaming performance was, as reviewers keep trying to say.
@@taekwoncrawfish9418 you don't watch him and yet you're in his comment section, lmao
Taekwon then wtf are you doing here mate??
Well it's not good for gaming 😜
I agree with Linus on the type-a port, I use a 2019 MacBook Pro and having to use a SD card reader or a HDMI adapter are minor inconveniences compared to how annoying needing a c-to-a adapter is.
Or just get a cord that goes to lightning, usbc, etc from a ucbc port. So basically it's like a usb a but it simply is usbc.
@@medusa8617 what
@@medusa8617 it's still inconvenient
there are these very tiny A to C adapters which are also very cheap. so I bought a few and permanently fixed them on a few of my external drives and flash drives. i dont even remember when the multi port dongles i initially bought are. it's like all the devices i use suddenly became USB C
just stop using usb A. jump to c already
When it comes to the notch thing, I think it's pretty dumb overall but I do think it's better than the iPhone one. It should have had FaceID but what they've done here is extend the display up a little bit on either side of a notch - so you actually GAIN screen real estate by pushing the menu bar up, even if cutting chunks out of displays is kind of a clunky solution to shrinking bezels.
The Iphone, however, has the notching cutting INTO the rest of the screen with the status bar being stretched to take up the space. Other phones have the display right to the edge, so it's much more of a negative impact than this (although more useful).
Also, I'm pretty sure Apple has the system treat the display as though there is no notch for similar reasons Windows ignores the rounded corners - first, it means they don't need to do any software work and, particularly, there's no risk of needed multiple versions for displays with/without a notch (avoiding it would look super weird if your MacBook doesn't have one).
Second, I feel like compatibility could be a factor, I don't know for sure but I suspect some apps wouldn't adapt to rounded corners or the notch properly - either they'd leave a gap across that whole top piece, shrink themselves to fit into the smaller rectangle of the rounded screen or maybe send important elements off the useable space - and again could mean needing extra code to handle the changing screens.
It's dumb, but I can't really see a better implementation. But it NEEDS FaceID to justify its existence
Minor detail, but Watt-Hour is Wh (watt multiplied by hours, essentially the energy it can deliver in total), not W/h (which would mean energy per second per hour...?)
I went straight to the comments looking for this one. Didn’t have to go far lol.
lol good catch
If this is a question, yes the correct unit is Whr, or J, or kcal
I thought a watt hour was the watts the battery could deliver in 1 hour at full speed energy delivery.
So a 100 Wh battery could deliver 100 watts for the entirety of 1 hour.
That battery would be able to power a 100 watt incandescent light bulb for 1 hour.
Of course the laptop wouldn't suck 100 watts during 1 hour and that is why it is able to last for more than 1 hour.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
@@brianfong5711 right and a watt is one joule per second. So multiplying this by hrs to get Wh gives you a unit of energy. 1 Wh = 1 watt * 1 hr = 1 J/s * 3600 s = 3600 J
If you’re gonna do more gaming for the full review, please mention whether the game is running via Rosetta or metal. Rosetta is going to have an inherent performance hit, so I think it’s a useful frame of reference to have.
Yup. Deus Ex (from what I can see) hasn’t been ported to M1.
Rosetta and metal are different categories. Rosetta is a translation for cpu while metal is an API. A game can be running rosetta (not native for cpu) while on metal API (for rendering) like the game tomb raider which runs exceptionally well compared to other AAA because of metal but it's still translated to arm via rosetta. At that point making it native would only give limited performance gain as tomb raider is not a cpu heavy game
@@topethermohenes7658 ok fair, I can see why you would point that out. I should clarify though: I meant to say “on the metal,” as in natively, as opposed to metal, apples API
@@topethermohenes7658 Think it still is good to disclose if it's rosetta or native and/or metal also. Keep in mind that sometimes in you can get hiccups using rosetta that otherwise wouldn't be there. Like it runs it almost perfectly, but ever 15s the games wants to do something rosetta doesn't handle as well as you get a stutter. So while I agree that the end frame rate will have minor changes using rosetta or native. The feel of the game could have a huge impact and the feel of the game most certainly can translate into looking impressive or garbage in a video like this.
@@enterthenuttmeister oh i agree on being open to what runs the game no prob, it was garbage in this vid tho altho it was ultra, those framerates blegh
Fun fact; this 'ideal aspect ratio' of 16:10 has been the standard on the 15" Macbook Pros from 2008 onward (not sure about the ones before the 'unibody' design)
1:30
I swear this should be classified as a horror movie STOP, YOU’RE GONNA DROP IT
"I wouldn't try gaming on a trackpad."
I actually beat Borderlands on a trackpad cuz I used to play it in the back of the class, but a mouse would have made it obvious. And now for some reason I'm incapable of playing that game with a mouse. Any other shooter I can play fine with a mouse, but something in my brain breaks when I try to play Borderlands with a mouse now.
It's probably the muscle memory you have with the game, the closest example I can give is that when I play my guitar I have no trouble playing, but when I use someone else's guitar the years of practicing goes to shit.
I understand you. I played Diablo 3 with my mouse in my left hand because i hurt my wrist. Now i can't play it with the mouse in my right. I just can't aim.
I played dark souls with a keyboard (only a keyboard, mapping the movement of yhe camera to the keys) and have played all other from software games with a controller. For some reason i can't play DS with a controller now, I always mess up the buttons. It's the brain conections that were created all thise years ago
i used to play gta vice city with a mousepad and was using arrow keys for movement on my old laptop and now if i ever try to use a mouse with that game i can't anymore. i can play gta 5 just fine with WASD and mouse for most stuff but my ability to play gta vc is just fucked
I saw someone play far cry on an HP trackpad...
In 2015
1 minute and 25 seconds of actual GAMING content in a video that is titled "Of course, I GAMED on the M1 Max!".
Like holy hell guys i know you like clickbaiting titles but not even ONE AND A HALF MINUTES of the actual topic of the video?!?
This. I thought this would be geared more towards gaming related topics because of the title. I was wrong.
dissapointed as well, expected at least a conclusion on hows the gaming performance
total clickbait.. so annoying
not only that.. but the short amount of time he spent playing... the performance looked pretty shitty for something that's supposed to compete with a 3080m
@@ragingtyga that’s because there are no games that have been optimised for M1 max
FYI, y'all messed the units up at 1:40. A Watt-hour is labeled as Wh, not W/h. Watts per hour would signify an acceleration in energy usage. Watt-hours is a unit of energy. In this case, how much energy can be stored in the battery. So, a 100Wh battery can put off 100W over 1 hour or it can put off 20W over 5 hours.
Not gonna lie, I've been looking for a solid option for a long mousepad/mat for my long 8ft workbench that I've been using for a desk, and LTT store had pretty solid options for length and depth so I could get one that works best for the space. Thank mr linus
On a practical note, I like that you can move behind the notch. Baring in mind that this is not a touch screen device, being able to move the mouse from the global menu to the notification area without hitting a barrier I think would remove the potential frustration of getting stuck on the notch
Agreed, additionally its great when watching content in fullscreen with an application that refuses to hide the cursor.
I think it would be nice to have some gaming focused videos in 60fps. Even if the A-Roll is 30, the actual game would be better in 60.
@Joe lol that doesn't make the game 120 fps
@@weegle. well it does if there is enough GPU power to push that fps
The biggest issue with gaming on a MacBook is that it is a nearly 4k display and no gaming laptop can handle 4k gaming very well even ones with RTX 3080s
i agree with you, they should have all their videos at 60fps instead of the stuttery flickery mess that they record in. watching at 1.5x+ speed does help smooth things out though. but that mac was barely pushing 15-20 fps so it wouldnt have made a difference here.
@@ijarbis187 yeah, plus although macs definitely have the power to game now, not a lot of game devs have actually ported or optimised their games for the chip, and loads of the games that are currently on macOS is still running through Rosetta 2
The 180 degree hinge is something that I absolutely NEED on my work laptops. I work in an office environment but also spend a lot of time in cars, programming them. With a 180 degree hinge it makes life amazing. You open it up all the way, put the keyboard on your thighs and the screen laid flat against the steering wheel.
Too bad most diag tools need windows and intel :/
@@AA-gl1dr agreed. But with that said I’ve had my fair share of work laptops running windows that don’t have a 180 degree hinge.
It’s the simple things that make me appreciate the brick of a Dell Latitude that I have now 🤣
Also. Raise hell praise Dale.
@@MattK19911 just wait till tuners find out raspberry pi’s are the next frontier for car mods.
Not going to lie, the way the LTT Desk Pad is reflected in the “aluminium” lid @1:50 is pretty rad
Why did you quote “aluminum”? Do you think it’s not alu?
@@krakenjm6877 oh it’s definitely aluminum it was just a subtle reference to Jony Ive’s pronunciation from the product videos he used to narrate back in the day
ur right bro
Apple should start a new division that just ports and optimizes AAA games to M1 hardware.
If there was demand I could see them working with game developers like they do with pro apps so that on launch many apps are already optimized for M1. However, almost nobody buys a Mac specially to game. This is like the chicken and egg problem.
Game developers need gamers on the platform to justify optimizing games for Mac like they do with other platforms. But gamers need games to switch too MacOS. The Mac community, Apple, & game developers have all given up on the idea. Most of the community will even say things "if you want to game buy a PC, we do really work here" and Apple doesn't really care about "gamers" because the gaming community doesn't align with Apples values and decisions and game developers dont see a big enough incentive to spend time and money on the MacOS platform.
Honestly, I use to be big into gaming, got a Mac for development. Hardly game anymore and I see myself falling into that attitude. If you want to game just buy a PC, dont bring the gaming community to Mac because their demands with just push Apple to ruin a great product. What gamers want hardly line up with what professionals want, performance is the only place they over lap & even then when professionals talk about performance they mean like the dedicated encoder and decoder on the chip for pro-res.
Windows and gamers fit well together and I think it should stay that way.
They should make a switch like competitor with the M1
hmm but why would gamers want to buy such expensive hardware when they can get a gaming laptop for way cheaper and a better gpu
@@karlchiasson4946 Hell, they could just buy Nintendo outright and start porting their entire library to work on iPhones, iPads, AppleTV, and computers. Mac users own over a billion Apple devices and they're not stingy when it comes to buying apps.
its not like they don't have the money. they basically have unlimited money.
Man this is one of the best break downs of the features I’ve seen so far and it’s not even the full review. I was in the market for a new high powered system that is capable of some light gaming outside of my gaming rig and this just confirms that this will be able to handle all that I throw at it with all the ports I need plus the so awesome welcome back of MagSafe and the sd card slot! 🙏 and I have to agree the hdmi port for me is a meh addition I would of welcomed like you said a usb type a for more options but hey I’ll still take it! I will be ordering mine very soon thanks Linus!
Unless you need an apple specific program it's objectively a worse product over the high end windows laptops
@@shalashaska9946 depends on your viewpoint but for a multi use device mainly for video and photo editing with light gaming nothing serious it might be the perfect middle of the road device? Until I can get one to test this is all theory of course but I would be keen to see the result
@@sokhi4415 that’s a good point, thank you for pointing that out 👍
@@sokhi4415 I’ll check that out and see what I think thanks for the information 👍
@@sokhi4415 thanks I’ll give that a watch now! 👍
One pro of the notch is that when you use Mac, there are instances where the cursor does not auto hide when watching a video (hbo max comes go mind). It is kinda nice to be able to hide it somewhere if it doesn't go away automatically
Linus: "Yes, this Macbook meets my daily flipping requirements"
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omg that made me so antious
Apple Silicon is ushering in an era where the regular, base 13" MacBook is not just the one that you buy when you can't afford the pro machine. It is the one you buy when you don't need the pro machine.
The 13" is becoming the new 'Air'. I expect both will disappear over the next few years and we'll see a 12" come back as a compromise between the two. Then they have a sensible line up of 12", 14" and 16" laptops. 12" M1 and 14/16" M1pro and M1max will be a thing.
Let me know when they launch 10" Macbook
@@AsifAnsari-nn8kk bro even ipads are 11-13
Either it be macbook mini or not a macbook at all
i work as a sound engineer, i bought back in early 2021 an m1 13 in macbook pro, for running logic when i don’t have my complete rig with the xeon imac pro under hand. imma tell you, bone stock logic. never seen that software run so snappy and quick. it’s insane.
It would been nice if the top and bottom had milled grips so that carrying in one hand was secure.
The aluminium body is well suited to doing this. And the weight and expense of the 14” and 16” warrants a little bit of engineered finesse- last seen in the G3 Pismo in 1999.
what am I reading?!
I think you are able to move the curser behind the notch so that you don't bumb into it (have have to move around it) if you move the curser slong the top of the screen. I think that's a good thing
You can legitimately tell how excited Linus is for this. Hell, even Andy’s excited.
it is just unbelievably good
Yeah but aren't they PC guys?
@@kateofone Cause it means AMD and Intel would need to innovate faster to catch up to Apple.
@@kateofone ehhh not really they use what they like they’ve always liked mac for certain reas
@@chaios Although to be fair, this video shows that Apple aren't so far ahead as some are trying to claim.
2:03 the reflections from the mousepad onto the macbook look so nice
Linus standing still holding something: Drops on the floor
Linus flipping a laptop aggressively: Looks like a ninja
Linus: "Microsoft, in their most recent Surface device, actually has rounded corners and you can end up hiding the cursor behind it."
Me: "My monitor doesn't have rounded corners and I can hide the cursor where you hid yours!"
Exactly, it has always been this way, I don't know what he's on about
You actually can't. The pixel at the tip of the cursor is still inside the monitor, but isn't with the rounded corners
@@wta1518 Yep. It probably does the same thing you're talking about, but since the screen physically isn't there, it most likely doesn't show up due to that screen just not being there to show it. Does anyone know how it behaves not on a corner but still on the right side of the screen? I don't own a Microsoft Surface to test it on.
1:35 shouldn’t that read “Wh” and not “W/h”?
Yep
How could Alex let that slip?;(
Yes, i was just about to write a comment saying just that. Watt hour is watt * hour (Wh) and not W/h.
Came to say this
100 Watts per hour lol
I totally get what he means by sharp, the edges on my 2019 MacBook Pro are sharper than the edges on an iPhone 12/13 by a lot
I was seriously worried I'd cut myself if i grabbed it wrong 😑
Also they chip easily
I HATE sharp edges, as someone who lives in a tropical country and wears short sleeved shirts and pants to work. Lots of cheaper windows laptops have this issue where the metal edges "dig in" to your skin when using the laptop resting on your body.
Rounded designs are so vastly superior.
I kinda like the edgy design though. the new model looks so old to me. i mean it literally looks like a 2012 macbook pro. tastes are different.
I always get marks on my wrists when I type on my 2017 MBP.
For some reason, when i got my M1, the external displays on the HDMI port was limited to 30hz, not sure if it has been fixed, but it was a software limitation because when i got a usb-c cable to DP, i could run at 165hz
I’m doing underwater photography and having a SD slot is really useful feature for me. I already have 3 portable ssd with usb c but SD card slot helps me to ditch unnecessary SD card reader dongle
W*h, not W/h. It might seem minor, but it is like punctuation where a tiny error can change the intended meaning. Example for clarification:
1. Come on let's eat, Grandma.
2. Come on, let's eat Grandma.
Why is this example so specific??
@@mrdefaultynoob it’s on a poster in almost every elementary school in the US, it’s not specific
W/h doesn't even make physical sense. Power is work per time already, power/time is work per time squared?... What's that supposed to mean?
@@jenda386 power acceleration??
@@jenda386 A change in power? Like acceleration is length per time squared?
I love that Linus mentions his framework investment but I feel like he’s too honest to let that interfere with his review.
He is doing it for legal reason
I'd imagine Apple will update OSX to make the notch not take a bite out of the UI. It should be blocking just like the edges of the screen are blocking.
"as long as you got two hands" - this is actually a great consideration. I wonder how people with disabilities will work with those laptops. Given that apple os's are more cool for those people and they really like em.
I suspect they keep the hinge from going further back to prevent their old issue, where the hinges got so weak they couldn't hold the monitor properly in place.
One thing to note, the screen actually isn't exactly 16:10. It is 16:10 PLUS the menu bar with the notch. So when you go into fullscreen, the menu bar goes black and you get a full 16:10. Effectively, you get slightly more vertical screen space than before even with the notch
4:45 - "I wouldn't try to game on a track pad"
Meanwhile 10 years ago, I used to game on my fathers old work laptop which track pad was broken , so I had to use the little " pointing stick" (that little red ball-joystick between 2 keys). Those were some odd times.
So this is like a preview of how it'll look when Linus plays on the M1 Max? Great. I'll wait.
As a person from the legal industry. I’m really glad he puts that disclaimer about his investment rather than him no longer reviewing laptops in general 👍
Yeah, I don't think he would have given up laptop reviews.
Is that disclaimer even necessary?
Can someone explain this? Why did he say that?
@@ivanknjezevic4840 he invested in framework a laptop company so it would be illegal for him to review other laptops without that disclaimer
Where's the disclaimer?
3:47 As a repair tech I've had to repair so many Macbook hinges its unbelievable. Often its things like blankets or clothing landing on the screen or someone lifting the laptop by the hinge. It's an issue on PC laptops too but nothing like Apple, my Macbook is permanently warped slightly because I picked it up really quickly and it the weight of the screen bent the back of the chassis. I miss the ThinkPad days where laptops would just open all the way flat.
I mean thinkpads still do. Some of them go even further
@@aprofondir It's a great feature. Thinkpad hinges still fail quite often but I'd say its less from miner accidents and more users being completely mean to their computers. The hinges themselves are all virtually the same, they use a magnesium screwed in clamp type thing and they are just hella brittle. I think its a Foxcon thing or something.
I understand what you're saying but at the same time I would never trust a device to be capable of being lift by it's screen.
@@85Portar Yeah you should NEVER lift a laptop by the screen. But for a lot of people that's less obvious, if they used a different material in the hinges it wouldn't as big of an issue. Basically all laptops use Magnesium which is incredibly brittle. I've only seen a couple of laptops in my entire career do it a different way and that means they don't break. Either way I'm more concerned about how little the screen is able to extend downward, it just causes them to break a lot. Probably the 2nd most common repair on Macbooks are the hinges. First would be a tie between the Magsafe connector and the charger fraying. Other weird issue that are Macbook specific is that their screws for one reason or another just fall out after a couple of years. I used to think that was just users opening them up but it's happened to me too.
Yeah, this is my first MacBook. It is unsettling to open it up fully, knowing a slip of the hand or a small accident would overextend it, and possibly cause some major damage. Does it just break the hinge? Or do the display panels also break sometimes?
5:52 In my opinion not 16:10 but *3:2 is actually the perfect aspect ratio for work!* There are devices from Acer, Huawei, Microsoft, ... and I hope there will be more in the future! 16:10 is still better than 16:9 though. I had a 16:10 Windows PC monitor for a long time.
Deus Ex is not running natively on that ARM processor, btw. It's going through the rosetta emulation layer.
After watching MKBHD's video, the fact that you even made the fans turn on is quite the accomplishment
well it's the 14" and it does run a lot hotter because even though you can spec them out the same the 14" does have smaller fans and a smaller heat pipe. Watch some videos where they open up the computer.
With that being said all the videos also say that while the fan runs more and faster on the 14" compared to the 16" you still basically cant hear it and "running fast" means fast for the m1 chips not "running fast" for the rest of the industry where your computer turns into a hover jet.
It is actually not that hard if you put load on both the cpu and the gpu and worse on the 14”. Also most do video stuff and it has dedicated decoders for that. Also the 16” max actually throttles if you put full load on both.
If you want to test it just run Cinebench and 3D Mark Wildlife at the same time :)
Spoiler the Max throttles the Pro does not.
@@l0stl0rd I think they meant in real world use. Most real world workloads just don’t max out the CPU and GPU simultaneously.
@@thebuddercweeper well games do, 3d rendering can once Blender gets metal support and you render on both. I bet there are plenty other workloads some do that are not common youtuber ones.
@@l0stl0rd Games rarely max out both. Usually they are GPU limited with the CPU sitting at medium load only.
Got a Jackery for camping. It really helped when needing power to just do some basic stuff.
That's glamping
I'm cool with 3 thunderbolt ports since they all still double as charger ports, however, it does need a USB A port, especially since it has a full sized HDMI port, instead of the mini one.
And since it has a dedicated charging port again, you don't really need that 3rd thunderbolt port.
Never knew I'd been listening to Laszlo's Supernova for years now xD thanks for sharing, Linus!!
The Framework disclosure is gonna become the new LTT Store segue in laptop reviews
LINUS PLEASE READ: be sure to pick actual METAL API games, macos games running openGL hasnt had the core updated since 2010, even for games released as far as 2015, a good example of new metal games is actually your beloved rise and shadow of the tomb raider.
You play games because you want to play them, not because they happen to run well on a Mac with their specialized API. Similar to what he said in Linux criticism on WAN show.
@@ricurse agree but you can test with both types of games
Anything other than SoTR? I mean most of the reviews only have that one game to compare against a windows laptop.
I mean sure it's a very good looking games and still a decent one for benchmarks, but it's over 3 years old now & decidedly last-gen.
I mean yeah, but, that has always been dark side of mac gaming. I dont pick games based on which API they re made for, but the ones I want to play..
I think it's fair to show both games. One running on metal and another running the horrible openGL.
Then maybe gamers will press game devs to consider optimizing for metal more. Even if you are a windows fan and hate Apple/Mac if you see the performance difference of using openGL vs the Metal API you will be blown away and wish windows had an equal. As a c++ developer I still have no idea what they are doing with metal to get those kinds of performance boosts.
It would also be cool to see the linux kernel release some API and software for game optimization.
I still find it very funny that the platform most games are developed for is the one without any optimization done for games. But Apple kinda shot themselves in the foot years ago and to this day Apple/the Mac community and the gaming community dont really align well.
Windows and the gaming community fit each other well.
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Don't try this at home...
At the end - that was some aggressive input lag. would love to see some tests
I can work all day on battery using the 16” w/ the M1 Max. I run Altium(ECAD), and Pathwave ADS(for EM field solving). I’ve finally been able to consolidate all my work to one device that I can bring everywhere. Since I often have to work in multiple locations during a day the convenience really adds to my work efficiency.
Nice to hear that
"I go out of my way to learn as little about it as possible" -me in my general education classes in college.
Considering those are taught by mostly liberal snowflake professors i don't blame you. I didn't want them corrupting my mind.
12:00 I appreciate the SD card slot a shit ton as a product designer! I 3D print a lot and while there is some wireless solutions. Most stuff still works from SD cards. Which with my laptop I can just use by default.
I used to have a dongle for my desktop and that thing was bad and broke fairly quickly. I then “borrowed” one from work and that one works. But it is on a cable and dangeling from my desktop all the time so it’s on the back so it doesn’t bother me. But getting files from it is annoying because have to go around the back of it and fish it out. Laptop is just super easy. Plug it in and there you go. No annoying looking for that sd card dongle
The deskpad reflection on the back of the MacBook is really cool looking.
I was surprised when I saw the original benchmarks. For that form factor and power consumption it's insane!!!
Going to replace my 2012 15" retina MBP with this; had to wait 9 years for a Macbook that actually felt like an upgrade from this workhorse 😅
Love how the deskpad reflects in the back of it
I would like to see magsafe pushed to all laptops not just Apple. One of the best experiences together with touchpad I had with 2014 pro back then.
2:35 Someone forgot to put their phone on silent
If I were to purchase one of these, it would definitely be the 16" version. You'd have to have a LOT of icons in your menu-bar for it to get in the way on that screen.
The only short circuit I have seen where Linus didn't throw around the package material and place it gently. By now everyone on the youtube had either had benchmark out or have one.
Deus Ex doesn’t do the machine a favor cause it runs through Rosetta 2, and even the x86 version was always a horrible, clunky unoptimized port that never ran well even on the most powerful intel macs.
There are a few M1 native games now, and hopefully their list will keep expanding. Meanwhile, SoTR plays very decently on these new laptops even via x86 emulation.
And the fact that it looked like it was getting around 30-50fps running through rosetta is amazing.
It just does not perform all that well for gaming. I would say about the speed of a five year old GTX 1070 or so.
@@logirex that’s wrong tho. Tests have shown a 16” M1 max to have consistent 100-120 fps in WoW at the highest preset in native resolution. Trust me, a five year old gaming desktop wouldn’t be able to do that. Reason being, WoW is a native M1 game that uses Apple’s Metal API, and the devs did some optimizations for the hardware.
I’d say if more developers jumped on this bandwagon and made properly optimized native M1 versions that squeeze every last bit of performance, like they do for Xbox or PlayStation, then these new Macs could make decent or even excellent gaming computers.
@@logirex Given the resolution of the display, It actually ran better then i expected it to. A 1070 would not run near 4k resolution at ultra detail in mankind divided. This macbook managed to play it while being ran through Rosetta 2 ( which carries a performance impact).
@@amalkatrazz At this point we can't blame Apple anymore for not having the hardware, it's on the devs and consumer demand for games now.
Wonder if Apple's GPU advancements could create a market where AAA games need to be able to run on things that aren't Windows. Not because I want a Mac, but because Linux gaming is growing steadily and I'm looking for the next injection of progress. I can also see Apple doing an M1 based console, maybe maxed out GPU performance with only like 4 CPU cores. They might not want to, but they certainly could pull it off.
I came in 3rd place for a Starcraft 2 tournament back in either 2012 or 2013. You brought your own computer to the tournament. I was coming from class at university and forgot my mouse... gamed on the floor with my 2010 macbook pro using the trackpad, something I did commonly at the time.
Back when there was a button to click below the trackpad.......
Watching Linus toss the laptop is like watching him ask for another "Linus dropping things" compilation clip
I'm curious about how it detects how much power the headphones need when at best it can detect whether you have a 62ohm AKG or 300ohm Sennheiser, but how does it know that those are also 93dB/1mW and 97dB/1mW respectively?
Linus was so excited that he forgot the sponsor, thats a first timer if ive ever seen one
thats the most exiting product in a while
No, this is short circuit.
Alright Linus you've convinced me...I'm going to get the desk pad.
Would the pad under the MacBook affect its cooling? Could be why fans were kicking louder..
If he was playing Deux Ex without the power plugged in I am extremely shock by the Macbook's performance. Having an integrated GPU that runs at that level is gonna change the laptop game for years to come when it used to be price, power and weight you had to pick two.
When that happens you can see apples prices to sky rocket...
I wonder if they'll ever have a good gaming device that can run games without being sluggish and poor like it was here still...
A big improvement nonetheless
noone in the world can change for years...you will be surprise how competitive the world is.
I wasn’t expecting this. We all know Linus doesn’t like Macs. He was still very professional and maintained an objective short overview. Well done 👍🏼
@@rihannas1549 let’s not…
it's very hard not to be exited about these machines. The display, the silicone, the chassis, the trackpad, the lack of a touchbar, the keyboard, the build quality, the ports, the design. It's the perfect laptop.
@@unlink1649 i'm not sure if i'd call it perfect. it needs repairability and being able to install windows on it to be perfect but i get what you mean
would love to see you guys try CrossOver and VMware gaming, since you’re also doing a Linux gaming challenge
This might be a bit unpopular, but having had both the Touch Bar 16” and the m1 pro 16”… I must say I actually miss the Touch Bar! Tho this m1 pro is MILES ahead in all other areas, specially the battery, when low power mode is enabled (which the main noticeable thing is the refresh rate becomes fixed) the battery lasts for easy 8 hours at max brightness while doing a lot of networking / zoom / coding tasks!
"Sharp", no joke! The old Mac Pro was ridiculous with the 90 degree corners on it's handle. What a nightmare!
I'm just glad they are moving to 120hz+. I don't use Apple, but I hope everyone follows the high refresh train even for thin and lights. High refresh all the things! :)
I agree! I don’t use Apple laptops but they do influence the market standards so if others follow in their footsteps that would be amazing
Too bad the display can't actually display 120Hz though. It's embarrassingly slow in pixel response times (~30ms average).
Apple catching up to current laptops, but still behind. Alienware had 120 Hz laptop back in 2012/2014. Current laptops are 144 Hz up to 360 Hz. Glad Apple is finally catching up and being influenced by the PC (minus the ugly notch).
I mean pretty much any gaming laptop above 1k has had 144hz+ for years now, crazy that people can think apple just invented something lol... Its certainly a good path they are going but they are just catching up at this poricepoint, not leading in any way
everyone follows?
The 16in is amazing only gripe I have is the battery life is horrendously misquoted but honestly that’s something I think everyone is used to
Can someone explain to me WHY everytime I rewatch this, my heart skips a beat and anxiety goes up whenever linus picks up the macbook pro. When he flips it, I died for that split second.
It's called "Wh", not "W/h". That's a pretty huge difference.
yeah, energy divided by (seconds times hours) wouldn't make a lot of sense
Nice, quick hit overview of the device, but the title of the video feels a bit misleading as gaming is not at all the focal point for the video. Still, appreciate Linus’ thoughts on the device so certainly stuck around, looking forward to longer form feedback on these devices!
Just a quick correction, the popup on the screen said W/h for the Battery capacity, the correct unit is Wh which refers to electrical capacity whereas W/h refers to the rate at which electrical power can be increased, which is a unit for quit random and esoteric use cases
glad they got the message, a Pro is for Pros. though i'd still like to see a single Type A, my DJ mixers all use USB A-B Cables, so.. it's either dongles or someone has to make a Type-C to Type-B cable for them! the return of actual I/O is a welcome return, and magsafe, the notch fad needs to die though - i'd rather have a shorter screen, if i had to use one of these i'd probably end up trying to find a way to just lose that section of the screen entirely, Notches/screen intrusions are not great for OCD.
I used the SD card reader in my laptop this year to update maps for the onboard navigation system in my '2019 Mazda. I rarely use google maps, cause the onboard system is good enough, and it's integrated better with car's OS, HUD, etc. It's nice to have a full sized card reader in a laptop, along with some USB-A's, so I can plug in a pendrive, or other devices, without any hassle.
I don't think something you have used once is all that vital at all. If you're plugging things in all the time though, that's a solid usecase, and those have been mentioned here - embedded hardware devs, people with video drones and stuff. Even people who 3D print, though that's kind of a temporary thing for most i guess before putting a Pi-based wireless spooler on their printer.
Like for sure more connectivity is always better, but the space is limited, so if you aren't using the port a lot, wouldn't you rather instead have a port that you do use a lot or can't replace with a simple USB device?
@@SianaGearz wouldn't it be more silly if I had to buy a stupid dongle just for a single use? Then I'd probably toss it somewhere, since I'm not using it every day, lose it, and then I'd have to inevitably buy another one the next time I needed it.
I got 3 USB-As, 1 USB-C, HDMI, Ethernet port, mini jack, and an SD card reader (unless I'm forgetting something) - I'm not sacrificing space for anything.
@@piobu5357 Most people will find an SD-Card reader or 3 or 5 if they just rummage in their stuff. Most USB-C hub manufacturers just chuck one into the end of the hub, that's nice as well, and not quite as easy to lose. I think having an SD-Card port on the machine is nice, but to be kept in mind that these computers specifically in this video are somewhat minituarised and slimmed down and densely packed, space actually is an issue.
What ports one may wish for instead? Maybe more USB. I don't think you can combine alt modes, once a USB port is dedicated as a display output (displayport alt mode via USB-C socket), you can't have actual USB connectivity on it, can you? So if you max out the display connections on this one, you cannot connect any more peripherals, if that's the case.
@@SianaGearz see, I don't have a USB SD card reader lying around, and I don't know anyone that does - maybe someone like a pro photographer would have a bunch of them (or someone that's been living in Apple's port-less ecosystem for years), but an average Joe probably won't. I do have some old USB 1.0 pendrive-like MicroSD reader, but that wouldn't help me with the full size SD card I needed to access recently.
A 'Pro' designation, or Pro Max even, should indicate that a professional can use it out-of-the-box, and that would be hard to do with the last year's 2-thunderbolt Mbooks - you can't even plug in a normal USB-A pendrive to them, and that's a common real world use case (something I do a few times a week at work). This year's models are a definite improvement in that regard, and everyone's been raving about the reintroduction of ports in the reviews. Finally a product I can recommend.
14:30 Skip to gaming demo
If you only clicked because the title was "Of Course, I GAMED on the M1 Max!"
There’s actually apps that already exist that hide the notch throughout the entire machine not just when apps are open if you so desire, and I’m assuming they decided to throw it on there not just because it’s an easily identifiable machine now if someone only saw the screen at a coffee shop for instance, but I’m assuming they also are putting it there cause they intend to put Face ID into the MacBook pro’s which would make sense since it’s the Pro line of their MacBooks, and they probably were like “well they may as well get used to the notch being there even if we aren’t ready to ship them with Face ID this year. Also another really impressive thing is MKBHD did an entire video edit with 8K red raw footage and you know how much goes into his edits and he said he never audibly heard the fans speed up at all under basically full load.. that’s insanity.. and it doesn’t get hot..
Yas! Finally! The Macbook that I kinda wanted. I mean screw the m1 kudos to them for actually being able to load a game let alone being able to play it but... magsafe, no touch bar, better camera always welcome and it's actually compelling hardware. Kinda cool just slightly. Won't be buying this with my own money lol but... might can push for IT to pick these up at work.
For anyone who isn't a gamer this is simply the best laptop on the market outside of ONE thing. They should be repairable, parts should be available to end users and repair shops. But if we don't discuss Framework these machines are by far the best on the market. Sorry PC people. I use a PC desktop but I ain't EVER using a PC laptop again.
I agree, but there are other specialized software that can't run on this, such as Altium and Solidworks. Basically if you're an engineer, it's still PC life for you :(
I can get a basic laptop for a lower price, so your opinion doesn't matter
I can remember my Sandy Bridge + Fermi Gamingbook… Oh yeah. Being able to fry my hands while gaming was a great experience. 🤣 My power jack melted inside of the chassis. Unrepairable damage. 😆
@@youtubevanced5048 bruh
I really dislike the TouchBar, I keep on accidentally hitting buttons when doing shortcuts, so it not being included is a pro for me. Besides they should have given it haptic feedback.
I think the initial introduction of the Touch Bar was great and it could have been so much more and better than function keys but developers didn't do anything with it because Apple didn't really push for it or talk about it. Then when apple saw developers didn't instantly jump to use it the took a step back and we didn't see any improvements or use for it over time.
I wish they could have done it right and pushed developers to utilize it because the concept is great but the execution was poor.
When I was at university I carried around a floppy disk from my Canon Starwriter 30 to the university's computer labs which were running Windows 1.0 so I could print my essays out on their dot matrix printers using Corel WordPerfect. It was a tough time, our mice had balls... big furry balls.
Out of the what’s missing I liked the older keyboards from macs with a bit longer travel and I would like Face ID but I never liked the touchbar and also missing the keyboard lighting buttons
I know it'll make a small difference but I wonder if rather than doing a on device screen recording you did a capture on another device through the hdmi if it'd help in the combat moments? From what I know/remember doing mirrored windows doesn't take up much if at all power where QuickTime or OBS might be
Mirroring the display is always going to be better because it just reads from the same framebuffer
I wonder what it’s like to just casually toss tech around that costs thousands of dollars in the air like that.
Seeing the dongle setup just to use a mouse is what got me.
Funny how Apple *suddenly* deems SD cards and HDMI ports beneficial for professionals again.
Just a generation ago, a professional, buying a macbook *PRO* , would have to use a dongle, cause Apple was "courageous" enough to remove almost everything useful.
Also, while some cameras don't use SD anymore, it's still the most widely used camera media out there. Not everyone has a 8K cam that can only directly capture to an SSD.
they have the power to do it, while not impacting sales. whiles all those wasn't successful, they are clearly successful increasing profit by removing the charger... now everyone follow suits... they will keep removing features and see what sticks... the real bozos are us consumers still throwing money to them despite their shitty deal....
@@anonneymous9949 FAX
I thought the design direction changed after they fired the guy who designed the last few generations and the Mac air
Yeah they fired they design guy
I've been watching you Linus for over 5 years now.
You got it! I ordered your damn bottle yesterday!
0:42 I was checking the fan noise on my 2018 MacBook Pro 15 by putting my ear next to the intake, and I got a cut.