Mission Gemini FRFR
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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So glad you are doing this video, I am looking for a cab for my AX8 and I have had my eye on something like this for a few weeks now... Great channel, great videos.
I have the the 2x12 stereo version and it sounds absolutely killer. The empower control is extremely helpful to adjust for a room on the fly. My old gripe is the thing is freakin heavy!
Great. I have the Matrix FR12. It's freaking awesome and super light. 👍
Yeah. Frfr is a rabbit hole fo sho. The Friedman, xitone, mission ect. Are awesome for more of a traditional cab feel. I have a pair JBL eon 610s that sound really good. I also play bass with my ax8 and really like the Yamaha dxr 12's for both bass and guitar. All that said, once I switched to iems, I just use whatever the venue has for a little air. Great vid as always.
If you're on a budget, I'd consider one of the Atomic Reactor units. The 112 has 18 El84 watts and the ARFR-AC has 50 6L6 watts. Both can be gotten on eBay or Reverb for a very competitive price. I've had both and now have the ARFR-AC.
Also, the Laney IRT-X is a good choice. It's also an "expansion" cab for a "normal" guitar amp and it's got a lot of features and 200 digital watts. I own one of these and would take it over any of the lower-priced powered cabs by EV, Altos, etc.
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Thanks for this great review, I am torn between a Gem1 or wait for the Kemper Kab(I have a kemper). Unfortunately with me whenever I get to this point of indecision which I call option paralysis, I usually buy nothing and move on.
Agree with everything you mentioned Leon. After I got my Axe-FX I used studio monitors, a Mackie PA, and then settled on the Gemini 2. Way more amp in the room than the others. Tight as hell in the bottom end. My monitors and PA were boomy sounding. And, yup, I use the empower when I crank the Gemini to dial down the high end sizzle - keeps it cab like. It's pretty heavy and my only wish is that they built handles on the side. Carrying this thing from the top handle is a BITCH. Otherwise this is a killer product and the Mission guys are always available to answer questions.
I thought the same thing with the handle!
that record in the background...
;)
Leon nice review. I just ordered the Mission 2x12 powered/stereo cabinet today. Can't wait to try it out with the Kemper.
Love ya stuff👍
Go eagle's 😁😁😁
Carn the eagles!
God damn. Now I need to spend some moneys.
Thanks for the video Leon! Would you say this gives you a nice "pushed air" in the room sound?
Hey Leon, have you tried any of the Friedman power cabs like the asm-12 for instance? Cheers
Wish I would have watched this before I bought my interface
Expensive....
Hey Leon I have a question, I bought a xlr to trs cable but the volume is whisper quite no volume. When I use a regular xlr it’s fine. I also noticed it I used a balanced cable from the headphone Jack I get more bass where as the xlr had less low end. Any ideas?
I kinda skipped the rabbit hole and found my perfect FRFR with the Atomic CLR Neo II. Very happy :) Put it on a pole for a bit more room and it sounded even better without the 'coupling' effect from my wood floor.
Hopefully I'll get to try a CLR soon :)
I think you'll like :) It really lets the detail of the AX8 shine.
Do you think this cab could handle a bass guitar using Kemper bass profiles? I'd 85% of the time use it for guitar, but I am interested in getting a cab that could allow me to run bass too.
Did you experience the loud pop when you power the unit and another when you power down? Did you notice fan noise?
when you mentioned the bass speaker (sorry new o the FRFR concept) but are you the guitar player using that as well or was that for the actual Bass player's speaker. Just would seemed like the argument for the Gemini alone weakens if you need a bass speaker as well when playing with a band. tell me I misunderstood.
This is the ONLY one that delivers what you want-absolutely. ALL of the others are nowhere near this quality…don’t pretend - come on man😎. They are incredibly expensive and heavy. If you truly must have the best of the best, then use the Axe Fx III with 2 Gemini-2s in stereo. Once tweaked, it will kill all other rigs.
what mics are better for metal ?
Can it be like guitar to Helix to Gemini to PA? Thank You
how does it compare to stereo studio monitors like HS8's?
I was wondering the same. I have JBL 305's currently and want to go up to the 308P mk2.
I only play in my home studio. Eleven rack>Tascam DP-32SD>305's.
So aren't good studio monitors "FRFR"?
The Atomic FRFR Neos should be a consideration also..., I have 2 because they can serve a DUAL purpose also are EXCELLENT Studio Monitors /AND PA cabs... I have heard them beat out the ATC-scm100ASLs ($18,000/pair) in a blind mix shoot out. Just sayin
The CLR's absolutely slay
Thanks Leon, Mission gear is awesome stuff. I would love to see the specifics on how you use the Mesa 212 with the AX8, I forget that I should try turning off the cabinet modeling and use some of the guitar cabs I have collected. Do you change any of the amp parameters for a preset being used with a traditional cab?
Great idea, sounds like a fun video.
kemper user here,looking for a good FRFR
Great vid! How does the sound compare to your Matrix -> Mesa 2x12? Which one sounds more like a real "amp in the room"? Cheers!
Hands down the real amp and cab. However the Gemini does have a wonderful low end thump that is very cab like.
Did you ever get to try the Mission Gemini 2 2x12?
I've always wondered about these FRFRs......aside from features that some have over others....do they really sound different to where there is a significant difference?
Having been lucky enough to play some venues that have insanely expensive and high spec FRFR wedges, there's definitely a difference but it manifests itself in an odd way; the better quality FRFR the more detail you hear, which is the opposite of what we want with a guitar rig (we usually equate good with compression, distortion and other tonal properties). It's a more honest representation of what you're putting in.
Could you run a Marshall Head (DSL100HR) through the Gemini 2? Pros/Cons? I am asking cause I own the Gemini and the Line 6 Helix, but am not a huge fan of the Helix.
Not without a load box and cab sim of some kind
That would be a bad decision even if you do what Leon says to make it work.
The best FRFR for guitar I ever checked and kept using is made by Blueamps
it's even possible to choose between FRFR (up to 20kHz) or Guitar Range Flat Resonse (up to 10kHz) with any Blueamps product.
I like that cab, but do you think you might be able to get a hold of a line 6 power cab 2x12 plus for the stereo thing I hope to see a video on it, thanks for what you do. Rock on
They make a 2x12 version of this cab which runs stereo. Would like to see the line 6 as well though, agree.
@@jays4210 I finally got a 2x12 line 6 powercab and I like it, I also have 2 Laney LFR cabs and I like them as well but they are bassy but loud, so the cabs sound different between the line 6 and the Laney's, right now I'm using the line 6 cab for convenience 1 cab to carry
@@wayney.387 The FRFR's are tempting, but I may just invest in a power amp/celestion options. It's tough to decide. How sturdy are the Line 6's? I worry if something goes wrong with the FRFR, that's a lot of $ whereas if a cab blows out, they're cheap to replace. Any idea if they sell the FRFR speakers as replacements?
@@jays4210 I've had the line 6 for a few weeks now and it's been holding up just fine and I've been playing loud with it, and I just use it FRFR I haven't tried the speaker sims in it, I just use the irs in the axefx3, and the line 6 cab is 500 watts and the Laney cabs are 200 each, the Laney cabs are louder I'm not sure if it's because it's two separate cabs or what. The line 6 cab has in the FRFR section a over all volume and I have it on 4 it goes from 0 to 6 and I keep up at band practice just fine and have a lot of headroom. Now the Laney's are bassy sounding but they have a high cut knob on it but you can add treble with it because in the middle it's flat so you can lower or add to it. Putting them all together sounds great, running the line 6 out of output 1 on the axe and running the Laney's out of output 2 and the sound is huge, but I just don't want to carry all that stuff anymore. Let me know if you need more info about them
@@jays4210 I'm sure the company you buy from would send you just a speaker if something would happen, plus if you buy new then you have a warranty and then you can purchase extended warranty to. But you really have to be pumping the speakers to blow them, not all the time sometimes you can get a bad speaker I guess I've been lucky so far, and I have 2 4x12 Marshall cabs from the 80s and never had to change any speakers. I haven't tried the power amp and speakers yet but I do have a 20/20 mesa power amp and a 90/90 mesa power amp and 2 2x12 mesa cabs, I'm getting good sounds out of the line 6 cab.
Are these available in Oz? How much?
Independent music have stock I believe.
Leon Todd thanks :)
Thanks very much for this video. I did wonder though: if you are getting odd tones and harmonics from normal PA speakers, doesn't this mean that you are likely to get the same odd tones through your band's PA when you play live? You won't hear them if you are using this Mission speaker to monitor yourself, but your audience will. Wouldn't it be better, then, to use normal PA speakers and get the sound right rather than use a monitor that sounds more like a guitar cab and thereby hides from you what you sound like to the audience?
Allan Wilson Realizing this is replying to an older vid and post, I agree 100% and have been saying the same thing for years (I’m a 5yr Fractal user). Masking what your audience hears is a disservice (either live or recording). I create all my patches via a higher quality PA powered speaker such as QSC or JBL since this represents what most FOH systems are using (excluding dive-bars of course). At home I play through older Mackie HR824’s in studio. Creating balanced patches that sit well between these two setups allows for minimum adjustment by either FOH or desk engineer and covers all bases, with the end audience as priority...which they damn well should be. Regards.
Good 'non-demo'/disclaimer ... that's all any YT vid can achieve, really ... :)
Yeah I need to add this to every video
But what's the difference with a frfr and a real cab with a power Amp in front of it?
Guitar speakers have a far more limited bandwidth than full range speakers
@@LeonTodd Ho okay thanks for the quick answer man!
@@LeonTodd but for a concert for example do you recommend a frfr or a real cab(2*12 or 4*12)+poweramp in term of sound?
Most concerts you mic the guitar and run it through PA, so it depends if you prefer the sound of your cab mic'd (as in a modeller + FRFR) or the raw sound of your cab on stage. Very different experiences, but i don't miss a cab these days.
@@LeonTodd okay thanks man, I will take that into consideration for my next purchase thank you very much! And I didn't know your channel before and I checked it a bit and you do very great stuff I'm really surprise man, fantastic channel!
Hi Leon..Try out Headrush frfr 112..its half price but sounds killer..I got 2 of them and running them i stereo with my Headrush pedalboard but its working with any pedalbord...Iv also tryed it with Line 6 HD 500X and its also a killer sound...Price in US is $299.99
FRFR under $300USD is crazy good!
You can even get it cheaper as Headrush Monitor = Alto TS312
This or clr?
I'd go CLR
Do u play this one with axe iii?
This belongs to a friend of mine, i haven't had a chance to test it with the III.
Thanks 🙏 happy thanksgiving
Don't like frfr at all. You can't beat a modeller into a solid state power amp into a real guitar cab.
Then you are limited with one cab, frfr allows you to use any ir in your tone
I am searching for replacing my laney, Marshall and orange gear with a easier to carry or less fragile alternative. Do I Unserstand this right and you basically use the AX8 into the Gemini 2 w/o any additional amp? That would be ingenious. Thanks in advance!
Yes indeed
@@LeonTodd woop woop :-) i will shed tears on the loss of my trusty jcm800 though... BR