I'm new to this conversation but a vet in playing live shows.I always like when I play on big venues stages,because 95% of the time we have a back line and a wedge monitor in front of me for vocals and to hear the other musicians as well as my guitar.I wanted to find a small personnel monitor so I could hear my guitar in front.Without it I need to find that sweet spot on stage to hear what I'm playing. In the past few years I start seeing keyboard players using these PA system like monitors and it got me wondering what if.Then I saw the Headrush FR FR 112 and108 amp monitors.I bought the FR FR 108 and now I use the amp as a back line amp and the 108 as my personnel up front monitor.I know I can come direct out of my pedal board Boss ME80 and more but I come out of the line out on the amp into the FR FR 108,it works for me. Now my sweet spot is up in front at the mic, my pedal board, and the Headrush FR FR 108.
I had a FRFR cabinet custom built in 1997 - it used four wide band speakers (a speaker with in integrated tweeter). I used it both with a guitar amp and Zoom 4040. The guitar sounded great.
Great review. I use the Headrush FRFR 108 along with a Boss ME-80 and it's perfect for me. I play jazz, fusion, rock, etc. in church and outdoor venues. With having a back and neck issue; you are right... the portability is perfect for me. Thank you.
I'm glad to have found your channel. I was already considering getting an Ampero, which led me to your channel, when the tech at my local MusicGoRound told me about using a Headrush with a multifx pedal which led me back to your channel. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻
good video but the part about the PA speakers vs FRFR is wrong. The PA speakers are also flat response full range. only real difference is their sound cone difference (how they project the sound).
If your modeler creates "dirty" high frequencies (digital noise) the tweezer in the FRFR speaker may create intermodulations and make this even worse.@@bloodynin9757
I looked at these, but since I a went with the Hotone Ampero, I decided to go with 2 - 8" studio monitors to take advantage of the stereo output of my Multi-Effects unit.
I use one of these (bought used for a ridiculous price) with a Yamaha THR30ii. It sounds incredible and this is now my rig pretty much along with a wah wah pedal. Can easily keep up with a very loud band.
I can not thank you enough for this video. I have an old Line 6 Spider combo amp, and i just picked up a Zoom G5n multeffects board. I bypassed the amp to where i am just getting the sound but it stil does not sound good. Having you explain this really helps . I was thinking of getting a new amp, but after this, i rhink i will be going with an frfr, possibly the Headrush model.
Basically, these multi fx pedals are already programmed to have some sort of amp cab emulation so if you plug it into a normal amp, it’s like you’re plugging an amp into an amp. That’s what I’m understanding at least
I use the Headrush 112 with my zoom G5n. Amazing tone. Yes, I had to tweak my settings, but when it’s “pushing air” it sounds amazing. I have a backup pedalboard with a joyo Oxford sound on the end, and ran that through the Headrush before my last gig. (Like to have a backup plan for gigs) and it sounded almost as good as my orange tube amp & cab. I can’t say enough good things about these cabs. Been gigging with it for about 12 months. So good. And finally, for rehearsal, I use it as a wedge with the band mixed into the second channel. Easy setup, hassle free. 😊
Hi Tony. Thank you for the great video. Very helpful and professional as always. Please, what’s the difference between frfr and an active monitor (eg Adam or Alto). I heard great things about both technics. Thanks in advance!
I use an Alto TS315 full range PA speaker. It's loud, clear and faithfully reproduces the sounds my Helix and my Variax can produce. For $40 more than the Headrush FRFR, you get a 15" speaker. Alto also makes the Headrush speakers.
@@addictedtogear It can come in handy with same of the Variax models. The Altos do double duty as PA speakers in my rehearsal room. I just grab one when I'm doing a gig. So they earn their keep!
I think your assuming the headrush is not a pa speaker. It is. PA speakers by design should all be a flat response curve and have the best off axis as possible. Depending the frequency range a speaker plays and how far off in DB it is shows the quality of the speaker. Something with a -3db variation is actually 6 DB shifts. They are to recreate a source signal as accurately as possible. Generally speaking most PA speakers have a HPF of 10khz thats designed to prevent hearing damage and generally speaker guitars wouldn't be making notes much higher than that. Look at the measurements of the speaker to determine its actual sound characteristics. JBL is one of the few companies that list its off axis response. You would also be suited to play through studio monitors or studio headphones to have the same effect but at lower volume.
I watch your video's all the time and own the same Headrush 8" you have here. I also own the Ampero One. Should I upgrade to the model Ampero you have with the XLR's. Is it really that important to have XLR's when hooking up to a FRFR? thanks
These are cool and sound pretty good. But it’s extremely far from flat. The low end is extreme, I had to redo all of my presets on my axe fx and lower the bass on all of them.
Great Video! Very Informative. I will say you brought a very good point, if it is your first time in Modeling game then start with the mid range FRFR. You very may well be back to your pedals and tube/solid state amps. Thank You!
A Yamaha DXR12 is about twice the price of a Headrush FRFR 108. You could say that FRFR speakers are a gimmick - kind of like razors for women - but if they're pretty much the same price as PA speakers then who cares?
Hello Tony, I watch your show all the time. Now the question: What is the RMS value of the FRFR-108? 2000W PEAK?... Can't find info anywhere. Thanks. Be safe.
Headrush pedalboard owner here, and going direct to PA mixing console when playing live. Want to dial in your live sound? Ditch the FRFR stuff and buy a powered PA monitor with a small built-in mixer and connect via XLR just like using a PA (keep mix eq flat/neutral). I much prefer dialing in my rigs through something like the audience is going to hear me through anyway and the sound tech will thank you for it. And if you sing like I do, you are going to have a monitor in front of you anyway unless using IEMs. House PA’s for the audience are not made up of FRFR’s nor headphones. Hope that helps someone. Cheers!
@@addictedtogearMy suggestion was to use a speaker like the audience will hear so you can dial in at home what will work great live, set global eq howeveryou want. But live, a PA engineer/tech will dial in your sound via the console mixer so why not get a great tone at home that easily transfers to a main PA. I use the PA monitor right in front of me at home or live so I get consistent tone. Live the only difference is the HR runs XLR to mixer, comes back to my monitor via monitor mix.
Can i ask what pa and desk you use? I just want a set up small enough but powerful enough for say 50 to 100 people but fit in a reasonable size bedroom at home. I currently have a valeton gp200.@JTNMax
I use a traditional pedalboard with the Walrus ACS1 pedal amp and use one of these Headarush powered 8" speakers when I want a little stage volume (we are ampless and use only IEMs typically) and find it sounds great. I also use it to set my pedal settings without using my IEMs it sounds realistic. Very frustrating to set all your pedals using IEMs, only to fire the board up through FOH and find it sounds crappy.
I guess I'll have to just try this idea of just using a normal PA speaker.. but eq'd within the floor modeler to remove those frequencies too high and too low so it's similar to the FRFR guitar cabinet specs. Or look at the PA speaker's specs where it enhances certain band widths and then compensate in the global settings within the floor modeler to flatten it out. I mean these modelers have so much depth in their ability to "model" sound, so why not use it? Then you're not compelled to spend more shrinking dollars on more price inflated gear. Just my 2 cents 🤑 ( pun). The big plus for FRFR is the Direct Out to front of house or to a mixer, but the PA speaker won't do that, I THINK. Or what about using the 4 cable method on your regular guitar amp, but I'd guess you'd have to remove all cabinet sims in your patches. The guitar amp is your cabinet and that's it. The amplifier is used just the supply power but all effects come from the modeler. Which option is best it's so confusing?
I purchased a thr-100 head, and thought if I got the headrush 1x12, it would be great as I could model the 5 amp sims and all of the cabinet sims (10 combos)that came along with it. After a few days, I found the sound to be really off, kinda thin, kinda hollow. I tweaked my eq and no luck. On a lark I plugged into a ampeg 2x10 cab I have for my micro bass head, and voila my modeling amp sounded amazing. So I returned the Headrush. Fast forward a few months after getting my nux- mg 30 I tried playing that through the headrush 1x8 cab at a GC, and it still didn't sound good, even the sales person agreed it was not good and he was trying to sell me the headrush. Perhaps you need other gear to tweak tones and what not, but for plug and play aspect of this frfr it left me searching for other options for my mg-30, most people on yt play though studio monitors.
Thanks mate, great vid, I just bought the Harley Benton FRFR 1x12 and it is fantastic (and very inexpensive) for my HXFX and Mooer Preamp live combo. Can really get some chewy tones with it. Really does well with distortion. Might get two and run stereo.
Awesome video and very informative! I'm considering buying an FRFR system in the future and trying to decide between two of the Headrush cabinets or a Line6 Powercab Plus 212. Its not really an apples-to-apples comparison at all and there's also a big price difference between the two. I can see pros and cons of either approach but your video really helped to answer some of the questions I'd had concerning loudness, low end, and overall gig-worthiness of the Headrush cabinets. These seem like a great option and very reasonably priced. Have you tried the Line6 Powercab Plus 212? Just curious what your impressions are of that as an option.
@@addictedtogear hello, i use my headrush speaker with my amp sim plugin. my question is about pedals. how can i make a distortion pedal sound good straight int the speaker? so far all my pedals dont sound good into the speaker, or do i need to place some kind of pre amp between the speaker and the drive pedals?
It's aiming for flat response across the frequency spectrum, so by definition and design, it isn't tuned to anything in particular. Powered studio monitors are generally nearfield, so more suited for listening closer to them than these, usually have multiple drivers and a crossover circuit, and designed to be fixed in place. These are portable, mainly used on their own mono, and have I/O connectors for gigging.
@@addictedtogear why can't guitar amp sound good with the multi effects pedal? Can't we just turn of the amp's effect and give processor's sound out? Aren't they made to take guitar sound?
Great informative video. Still confused about the difference between Power cab (Line 6) and FRFR. Some say it’s the same. Or is it just marketing tricks?
Cool speaker and good explanation Tony. I use a PA system in combination with my tube amp . There are 2 DI outputs on my pedal board and I also mix in the amp sound before and after the effect loop . It's nice to have all the connections . Not very portable though . LOL
Thanks you! I been on the search for a amp that would sound good with my Digitech RP-1000, and I saw your other video, and decided to buy two of them to run in stereo. Do I just use regular guitar cords from multi-effects pedal to speaker, and use a XLR from output in speaker to to input in other speaker to run in stereo? Or do I run both speakers direct to the muli-effects pedal? I think I know the answer, but not 100% Thanks for your great video`s!
I have a couple of the same headrush wedges and love them. My question is, instead of buying a set of recording monitors, I wonder how well these would work for mixing since they're frfr as well?
Great vid, thanks. Would you need an (audio) amplifier/poweramp to boost signal from the ampero into an frfr system for home use? Say 2 fairly small monitor speakers.
Thanks Tony for another great video. You explained everything very well but I am a bit thick and naive about these matters as I have always just plugged into a combo for my gigs that are just in small pubs/clubs. My question is just so I'm clear, would I be able to just use a FRFR like the Headrush or Line 6 Powercab with a Helix plugged into it and do my gigs with nothing else, not even going through the PA? Sorry again for asking what may appear to a lot of others a stupid question.
Exactly! For years, I've used my ALTO TS215 as a quick compact Bass cab. Works beautifully, somebody was thinking... let's try this with a modeling pedal and a smaller powered PA cab and see if we can market this compact setup. The rest is history.
He explained that. Pa speakers colour your sound. These frfr speakers are to play your sound as close as possible to what you would hear on headphones from your modellers.
2000W Pmpo is a totally undefined marketing number. Realistically a speaker of this size can handle maybe around 50W RMS - and that is the only power rating that counts. So don't let them fool you with these exaggerated marketing power figures ....
never mind - posted right before you explained how much low end it has lol. Still, there is a big difference in clarity between a bigger speaker and a bass port for instance. thoughts? maybe a 10" might be the sweet spot?
Hi! i bought this unit to play with my gt10. Is it normal that the sound is synthetic and thin? I have 2 weeks left to take my decision to keep it.. I used to play the gt10 with my traynor and the sound is much fuller. Do you have some advices? Thanks you very much!
Hi Tony, great explanation of FRFR speakers. I know you mentioned they are designed a little differently than PA speakers, but I'm curious if in addition to using these for guitar monitors/amps, could a pair of the FRFR-108s be used as PA speakers for small outdoor gigs and such (e.g. a couple of acoustic/electric guitars, vocalists and a bass guitar routed through a mixer)? Thinking about getting a pair and potentially having them do double-duty as PA speakers. Thanks.
I actually sent the HeadRush 8” back to sweetwater last week. I received the 12” today. I realized it wasn’t the 8 inch speaker that was making my tone harsh. I realized it is essential to my tone to use a balanced cable to connect my Pod Go to the HeadRush. My sound is 100% better. Super clean and soft on the ears. The lows of this thing are incredible! You feel them and not hear them sometimes when using ambient swells.
Tune My Soul got ya. Yea some of the feedback on the headrush is that it doesn’t give the “amp in the room” feel but I haven’t tried one yet and I really want to simplify my setup and be able to access a lot of tones through digital modeling. What balanced cable did you use btw?
If I’m using the modeling cabinet and not an IR can I still use a regular guitar cabinet? And does the use of an FrFr speaker in a cabinet need to have a port and not be sealed?
If I have a modeler amp/cab multi-effect with mono/stereo outputs XLR or 1/4 can I go directly to PA and then back to the FRFR speaker? Basically, I need to use FRFR speaker as the monitor for live shows and simultaneously use it as a power amp/cabinet in the practice room. Is that possible, or do I need some power amp between multi-effect and PA?
Do I have this right? If I'm using this at a gig with my headrush pedal, the speaker is my stage monitor and there is an output on the back of the speaker that will connect to the front of house? Probably via a direct box?
@@addictedtogear I have Helix. Can you simultaneously connect to the front of house using XLR outputs, for stereo effects and use other 1/4 inch output from Helix connected to headrush frfr, just for monitoring, and any experience with that? Tnx :)
An excellent, helpful video that answers questions I didn't even think of asking. I didn't know about how the speakers were laid out and they these cabs also included tweeters. I'm getting a Boss GT-1 soon and a flat response speaker would work well. But I never knew much about them. I want to capture the great tones I can hear on earphones through a monitor. I was also wondering if the sound would be as good as with a PA system like they would have at a club.
Glad you enjoyed it! The PA speakers would sound good but different. Thats why I like using this, its small enough to carry around and always sounds the same.
I have a Boss Singer Pro Amp & I wonder if I could plug it into the back directly & use it like a monitor? If so can these be looped or chained together (don't know if I'm saying that right?)
How is this claiming to be 2000w, when it says in the back "power consumption 800w", which is also wrong, because it uses either a 5amp fuse or 10 amp fuse depending on 110/250v?
I want to tweak HX Stomp programs in my headphones first before tweaking in the FRFR. Which headphones do you recommend. My in ear monitors sound way different than the bassier headrush
Thank you very much for the explanation!!! You've just sold a headrush. Question: Can this speaker just act as your sole output in a live gig without connecting it to a PA system where all other instruments are connected?
@@justinTime077 It's been 6 days since I've been rocking the speaker. No white noise here. There's noise you'd hear in a normal guitar amp, but it's extremely minimal unless you put your ear right next to it. The only headache I'm experiencing is the headache of not being able to rocking this unit out ;). Bandmates are quite impressed. But thank you for your effort.
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I'm new to this conversation but a vet in playing live shows.I always like when I play on big venues stages,because 95% of the time we have a back line and a wedge monitor in front of me for vocals and to hear the other musicians as well as my guitar.I wanted to find a small personnel monitor so I could hear my guitar in front.Without it I need to find that sweet spot on stage to hear what I'm playing. In the past few years I start seeing keyboard players using these PA system like monitors and it got me wondering what if.Then I saw the Headrush FR FR 112 and108 amp monitors.I bought the FR FR 108 and now I use the amp as a back line amp and the 108 as my personnel up front monitor.I know I can come direct out of my pedal board Boss ME80 and more but I come out of the line out on the amp into the FR FR 108,it works for me. Now my sweet spot is up in front at the mic, my pedal board, and the Headrush FR FR 108.
I had a FRFR cabinet custom built in 1997 - it used four wide band speakers (a speaker with in integrated tweeter). I used it both with a guitar amp and Zoom 4040. The guitar sounded great.
I never even knew about these speakers with multi effects units. This is so helpful.
Great review. I use the Headrush FRFR 108 along with a Boss ME-80 and it's perfect for me. I play jazz, fusion, rock, etc. in church and outdoor venues. With having a back and neck issue; you are right... the portability is perfect for me. Thank you.
I use the the 12" Head Rush cabinet with my Pod Go. Sounds fucking amazing. I like alot low end. But tweak your lows and this combo sounds incredible.
Absolutely brilliant thank you Tony , cheers from New Zealand 🇳🇿
I'm glad to have found your channel. I was already considering getting an Ampero, which led me to your channel, when the tech at my local MusicGoRound told me about using a Headrush with a multifx pedal which led me back to your channel. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻
good video but the part about the PA speakers vs FRFR is wrong. The PA speakers are also flat response full range. only real difference is their sound cone difference (how they project the sound).
Absolutely. FRFR is a money making venture only.
FRFR speakers create their own problems where guitar is concerned
@@philiptownsend8348 which are?
If your modeler creates "dirty" high frequencies (digital noise) the tweezer in the FRFR speaker may create intermodulations and make this even worse.@@bloodynin9757
I did a gig with the FRFR Headrush speaker system with a Tech21 RK5 v2. It sounded incredible.
Great explanation Tony. Do you still use this ?
I use my headrush as a PA along with my cab sim modeler. Of course I’m just a bedroom musician and I’m happy.
Great video man! There are always so many question with FRFR stuff, especially with the increase in pedals and amps with impulse response built in.
Thanks Nick, the FRFR speakers work really well with muti-effect units. I'm loving it so far!
I looked at these, but since I a went with the Hotone Ampero, I decided to go with 2 - 8" studio monitors to take advantage of the stereo output of my Multi-Effects unit.
I did the same at first. If you are not giging with the Ampero then that works fine.
I use one of these (bought used for a ridiculous price) with a Yamaha THR30ii. It sounds incredible and this is now my rig pretty much along with a wah wah pedal. Can easily keep up with a very loud band.
great vid clarified some things for me and I ordered one of those headrush units after.
I use the unit s shipping box as a sound shield to record with a mic. Very simple and sounds awesome.
I can not thank you enough for this video. I have an old Line 6 Spider combo amp, and i just picked up a Zoom G5n multeffects board. I bypassed the amp to where i am just getting the sound but it stil does not sound good. Having you explain this really helps . I was thinking of getting a new amp, but after this, i rhink i will be going with an frfr, possibly the Headrush model.
Glad I could help!
What a bloody awesome video!
Cheers man!! Love the work, effort and info wrapped up in this video!
Basically, these multi fx pedals are already programmed to have some sort of amp cab emulation so if you plug it into a normal amp, it’s like you’re plugging an amp into an amp. That’s what I’m understanding at least
There's always an option of turning off the cabinet simulation in most of the units, this way you can go to the return of an amp.
But then you get a totally different sound compared to the original preset.@@SujeetGT
Thanks for the explanation! Very useful.
Thank you so much for this overview!
You Sir made a very good explanation of frfr ..thank you so much.Be blessed!
You're most welcome
I use the Headrush 112 with my zoom G5n. Amazing tone. Yes, I had to tweak my settings, but when it’s “pushing air” it sounds amazing.
I have a backup pedalboard with a joyo Oxford sound on the end, and ran that through the Headrush before my last gig. (Like to have a backup plan for gigs) and it sounded almost as good as my orange tube amp & cab.
I can’t say enough good things about these cabs. Been gigging with it for about 12 months. So good.
And finally, for rehearsal, I use it as a wedge with the band mixed into the second channel. Easy setup, hassle free. 😊
"You pick the one right tool." - Anton Chigurh
Hi Tony. Thank you for the great video. Very helpful and professional as always. Please, what’s the difference between frfr and an active monitor (eg Adam or Alto). I heard great things about both technics. Thanks in advance!
They are quite similar but the FRFR are flat so there is not coloration to the sound.
Really really good video, you answered every question i had on this subject, thank you, excellent job!
I use an Alto TS315 full range PA speaker. It's loud, clear and faithfully reproduces the sounds my Helix and my Variax can produce. For $40 more than the Headrush FRFR, you get a 15" speaker. Alto also makes the Headrush speakers.
Nice but i get more than enough bass from my 8 inch speakers. 15 would be overkill for me.
@@addictedtogear It can come in handy with same of the Variax models. The Altos do double duty as PA speakers in my rehearsal room. I just grab one when I'm doing a gig. So they earn their keep!
I think your assuming the headrush is not a pa speaker. It is. PA speakers by design should all be a flat response curve and have the best off axis as possible. Depending the frequency range a speaker plays and how far off in DB it is shows the quality of the speaker. Something with a -3db variation is actually 6 DB shifts. They are to recreate a source signal as accurately as possible. Generally speaking most PA speakers have a HPF of 10khz thats designed to prevent hearing damage and generally speaker guitars wouldn't be making notes much higher than that. Look at the measurements of the speaker to determine its actual sound characteristics. JBL is one of the few companies that list its off axis response. You would also be suited to play through studio monitors or studio headphones to have the same effect but at lower volume.
Thanks for the comment!
I don’t understand most of what you wrote but I can tell you know what you’re talking about (I hope) so I’ll follow your advice.
You mean a LP (low pass) filter which cuts off the very high frequencies.
I watch your video's all the time and own the same Headrush 8" you have here. I also own the Ampero One. Should I upgrade to the model Ampero you have with the XLR's. Is it really that important to have XLR's when hooking up to a FRFR? thanks
These are cool and sound pretty good. But it’s extremely far from flat. The low end is extreme, I had to redo all of my presets on my axe fx and lower the bass on all of them.
Yes the bass does come through. It could be that the bass is also boosted in the stock presets too!
I have heard that the base problem is fixed if you put it on a stand? There are some reverberation for the ground. If you have tried it?
Great Video! Very Informative. I will say you brought a very good point, if it is your first time in Modeling game then start with the mid range FRFR. You very may well be back to your pedals and tube/solid state amps. Thank You!
What;s the difference between an 'FRFR' speaker liek the headrush, and a standard powered PA speaker like the Yamaha DXR12?
There is no difference.
I run my helix into a standard Kustom 1x12 Floor monitor and it sounds exactly the same. And was 1/3 of the cost.
A Yamaha DXR12 is about twice the price of a Headrush FRFR 108. You could say that FRFR speakers are a gimmick - kind of like razors for women - but if they're pretty much the same price as PA speakers then who cares?
i have a helix floor and as a beginner what speaker would you recommend to go with it
Great Presentation, Very informative. Thanks
Good review - bought one to go with my Boss GT 100 - Sounds fab with some messing! - thanks
Hi! i have the gt10, you seem to be satisfaid with your Boss. Do you have some advices?
Thank you for that - you explained things very clearly :)
Hello Tony, I watch your show all the time. Now the question: What is the RMS value of the FRFR-108? 2000W PEAK?... Can't find info anywhere. Thanks. Be safe.
Hey Jorge, I tried finding that information also and was not able to do so. You may need to contact the company directly for that info.
@@addictedtogear Thanks for trying. If I find out I'll let you know. Keep it up and be safe.
Its 1000w
Headrush pedalboard owner here, and going direct to PA mixing console when playing live. Want to dial in your live sound? Ditch the FRFR stuff and buy a powered PA monitor with a small built-in mixer and connect via XLR just like using a PA (keep mix eq flat/neutral). I much prefer dialing in my rigs through something like the audience is going to hear me through anyway and the sound tech will thank you for it. And if you sing like I do, you are going to have a monitor in front of you anyway unless using IEMs. House PA’s for the audience are not made up of FRFR’s nor headphones. Hope that helps someone. Cheers!
Nice tip, but if you are going to do that why not just use the global setting of the Multi-Effects units for the EQ setting?
@@addictedtogearMy suggestion was to use a speaker like the audience will hear so you can dial in at home what will work great live, set global eq howeveryou want. But live, a PA engineer/tech will dial in your sound via the console mixer so why not get a great tone at home that easily transfers to a main PA. I use the PA monitor right in front of me at home or live so I get consistent tone.
Live the only difference is the HR runs XLR to mixer, comes back to my monitor via monitor mix.
Can i ask what pa and desk you use? I just want a set up small enough but powerful enough for say 50 to 100 people but fit in a reasonable size bedroom at home. I currently have a valeton gp200.@JTNMax
Your video sold me on the 108. Just put in an order for one. If all goes well I'm going to do a 2nd one for stereo down the road.
tossedpenny let me know how you like it!!
I use a traditional pedalboard with the Walrus ACS1 pedal amp and use one of these Headarush powered 8" speakers when I want a little stage volume (we are ampless and use only IEMs typically) and find it sounds great. I also use it to set my pedal settings without using my IEMs it sounds realistic. Very frustrating to set all your pedals using IEMs, only to fire the board up through FOH and find it sounds crappy.
I guess I'll have to just try this idea of just using a normal PA speaker.. but eq'd within the floor modeler to remove those frequencies too high and too low so it's similar to the FRFR guitar cabinet specs. Or look at the PA speaker's specs where it enhances certain band widths and then compensate in the global settings within the floor modeler to flatten it out. I mean these modelers have so much depth in their ability to "model" sound, so why not use it? Then you're not compelled to spend more shrinking dollars on more price inflated gear. Just my 2 cents 🤑 ( pun).
The big plus for FRFR is the Direct Out to front of house or to a mixer, but the PA speaker won't do that, I THINK.
Or what about using the 4 cable method on your regular guitar amp, but I'd guess you'd have to remove all cabinet sims in your patches. The guitar amp is your cabinet and that's it. The amplifier is used just the supply power but all effects come from the modeler. Which option is best it's so confusing?
I purchased a thr-100 head, and thought if I got the headrush 1x12, it would be great as I could model the 5 amp sims and all of the cabinet sims (10 combos)that came along with it. After a few days, I found the sound to be really off, kinda thin, kinda hollow. I tweaked my eq and no luck. On a lark I plugged into a ampeg 2x10 cab I have for my micro bass head, and voila my modeling amp sounded amazing. So I returned the Headrush.
Fast forward a few months after getting my nux- mg 30 I tried playing that through the headrush 1x8 cab at a GC, and it still didn't sound good, even the sales person agreed it was not good and he was trying to sell me the headrush. Perhaps you need other gear to tweak tones and what not, but for plug and play aspect of this frfr it left me searching for other options for my mg-30, most people on yt play though studio monitors.
Thanks mate, great vid, I just bought the Harley Benton FRFR 1x12 and it is fantastic (and very inexpensive) for my HXFX and Mooer Preamp live combo. Can really get some chewy tones with it. Really does well with distortion. Might get two and run stereo.
Great to hear! I'm sure you will enjoy it.
This is incredibly useful. thanks Tony
Awesome video and very informative! I'm considering buying an FRFR system in the future and trying to decide between two of the Headrush cabinets or a Line6 Powercab Plus 212. Its not really an apples-to-apples comparison at all and there's also a big price difference between the two. I can see pros and cons of either approach but your video really helped to answer some of the questions I'd had concerning loudness, low end, and overall gig-worthiness of the Headrush cabinets. These seem like a great option and very reasonably priced. Have you tried the Line6 Powercab Plus 212? Just curious what your impressions are of that as an option.
That was exceptional!
Excellent video, thanks a lot!!!
Cheers from germany.
This a great technical, educational and in depth review, excellent video Sir.
Thanks for watching
What is the difference between these frfr speakers and studio monitors? Are they the same thing?
These are tuned to sound good with guitars.
@@addictedtogear hello, i use my headrush speaker with my amp sim plugin. my question is about pedals. how can i make a distortion pedal sound good straight int the speaker? so far all my pedals dont sound good into the speaker, or do i need to place some kind of pre amp between the speaker and the drive pedals?
@@addictedtogear how can it be tuned to guitar if it's flat response?
It's aiming for flat response across the frequency spectrum, so by definition and design, it isn't tuned to anything in particular. Powered studio monitors are generally nearfield, so more suited for listening closer to them than these, usually have multiple drivers and a crossover circuit, and designed to be fixed in place. These are portable, mainly used on their own mono, and have I/O connectors for gigging.
Thanks for the review...very informative!
Great review. Straightforward factual information thank you
Glad it was helpful!
@@addictedtogear why can't guitar amp sound good with the multi effects pedal? Can't we just turn of the amp's effect and give processor's sound out? Aren't they made to take guitar sound?
@@addictedtogear also I have seen guitarist give mic to their amp in live, then to the PA systems. What is your view about that?
How will vocals sound going into these? I'm looking for a speaker to go with my looper - so that all my signals go into the same speaker
I haven't tried it but I think it should be fine.
Can i use it for vocal?
Is this the samething thats used to amplify electronic drums?
Thank you for the informative video.
Can i connect the CAB Sim DI Out of an Amp Head directly to the XLR input of a Headrush FRFR speaker ? Thanks.
Great informative video. Still confused about the difference between Power cab (Line 6) and FRFR. Some say it’s the same. Or is it just marketing tricks?
Cool speaker and good explanation Tony. I use a PA system in combination with my tube amp . There are 2 DI outputs on my pedal board and I also mix in the amp sound before and after the effect loop . It's nice to have all the connections . Not very portable though . LOL
Hi Philip, try lugging a 4x12 cabinet and head to a gig. This is a much more portable solution if you ask me. Cheers!
Gonna sound stupid but what cable would I need for a Tonex connected straight to Headrush frfr?
You can use a standard guitar Jack or a balanced connection.
Thanks ... all very clear ... great video!!
Thanks you! I been on the search for a amp that would sound good with my Digitech RP-1000, and I saw your other video, and decided to buy two of them to run in stereo. Do I just use regular guitar cords from multi-effects pedal to speaker, and use a XLR from output in speaker to to input in other speaker to run in stereo? Or do I run both speakers direct to the muli-effects pedal? I think I know the answer, but not 100% Thanks for your great video`s!
I have a couple of the same headrush wedges and love them. My question is, instead of buying a set of recording monitors, I wonder how well these would work for mixing since they're frfr as well?
Not sure how well those would work for general mixing of music. I think there are other better options available.
I'm curious. Waiting for someone to give some input
Not nearfield like studio monitors generally are, so the cone on these is designed differently for pushing the mono sound further out.
Great vid, thanks. Would you need an (audio) amplifier/poweramp to boost signal from the ampero into an frfr system for home use? Say 2 fairly small monitor speakers.
jakstrike1 no the Frfr speaker is already amplified. Thanks for watching...
Just bought ge200 I am waiting for it. Now I will buy this thank you for this video!
Hope you enjoy it!
Thanks Tony for another great video. You explained everything very well but I am a bit thick and naive about these matters as I have always just plugged into a combo for my gigs that are just in small pubs/clubs. My question is just so I'm clear, would I be able to just use a FRFR like the Headrush or Line 6 Powercab with a Helix plugged into it and do my gigs with nothing else, not even going through the PA? Sorry again for asking what may appear to a lot of others a stupid question.
Yes. The Headrush FRFR is powered. So can plug the line 6 into it and rock! Simple as pie!
You answered a lot of my questions. Great video 👍
Thank you!
How is different than all full range speakers like the thousands of normal p.a. speakers powered or passive?
Exactly! For years, I've used my ALTO TS215 as a quick compact Bass cab. Works beautifully, somebody was thinking... let's try this with a modeling pedal and a smaller powered PA cab and see if we can market this compact setup. The rest is history.
He explained that. Pa speakers colour your sound. These frfr speakers are to play your sound as close as possible to what you would hear on headphones from your modellers.
@@afbrogab81 PA Speakers a full frequency and unless eq’d it’s Flat and will simply amplify the sound of the amp cab simulator and IR’s.
Is there an advantage to getting the 112 over the 108?
2000W Pmpo is a totally undefined marketing number. Realistically a speaker of this size can handle maybe around 50W RMS - and that is the only power rating that counts. So don't let them fool you with these exaggerated marketing power figures ....
Thx for info, 2000w sounds even weird for box that size, but anyways real 50w is i think more than enough fore bedroom, outdoor or small gig)
thanks for the great explanation. quick question: wouldn't it be better to get a cab with a 10 or 12" speaker to better reproduce the low end?
never mind - posted right before you explained how much low end it has lol. Still, there is a big difference in clarity between a bigger speaker and a bass port for instance. thoughts? maybe a 10" might be the sweet spot?
I have my GT-100 output signal going out to the RETURN of my Marshall JMD:1 - would I sound the same after going direct to PA?
No, if you run your multieffect modulation unit thru an amp, you turn the speaker simulation off.
And on again when you go direct in the mixer.
Hi! i bought this unit to play with my gt10. Is it normal that the sound is synthetic and thin? I have 2 weeks left to take my decision to keep it.. I used to play the gt10 with my traynor and the sound is much fuller. Do you have some advices? Thanks you very much!
Great honest review. Thanks.🤘🤘
Thank you very much for the detail information. Greetings from germany
Glad it was helpful!
@@addictedtogear very helpful. Now i know what i must buy
Can this be used as a speaker for my digital (desktop) amp connected trough Scarlett 2i2?
I was thinking a similar question
Just buy studio monitors if you're going this route.
Hi Tony, great explanation of FRFR speakers. I know you mentioned they are designed a little differently than PA speakers, but I'm curious if in addition to using these for guitar monitors/amps, could a pair of the FRFR-108s be used as PA speakers for small outdoor gigs and such (e.g. a couple of acoustic/electric guitars, vocalists and a bass guitar routed through a mixer)? Thinking about getting a pair and potentially having them do double-duty as PA speakers. Thanks.
I think they would work in a pinch.
im used to a marshal 4x12 chugging. how would this speaker with my me90 compare?
You jest!
Thanks for this video! Very educational
I am using a Pod Go in the HeadRush. Could I use the xlr out on the back to run out to “house” at my church? Any recommendations?
How has your experience been with that combo? I’m in a cover band playing 90s-2000s alt rock and thinking of getting that exact combo?
I actually sent the HeadRush 8” back to sweetwater last week. I received the 12” today. I realized it wasn’t the 8 inch speaker that was making my tone harsh. I realized it is essential to my tone to use a balanced cable to connect my Pod Go to the HeadRush. My sound is 100% better. Super clean and soft on the ears. The lows of this thing are incredible! You feel them and not hear them sometimes when using ambient swells.
Tune My Soul got ya. Yea some of the feedback on the headrush is that it doesn’t give the “amp in the room” feel but I haven’t tried one yet and I really want to simplify my setup and be able to access a lot of tones through digital modeling. What balanced cable did you use btw?
@@tunemysoul9456 hey cool tip!! thanks! so do you connect only the mono output of the pod go in one imput of the frfr? with a trs cable?
can you use this as an audio/vocal monitor?
Great video, you answered all the questions I had.
If I’m using the modeling cabinet and not an IR can I still use a regular guitar cabinet? And does the use of an FrFr speaker in a cabinet need to have a port and not be sealed?
You can use it but it would color the sound of the patch.
Which multieffects or modelers are the best to play with it? Fractal Axe Fx or what else?
Would you recommend using headrush 12 and hotone ampero to play bass guitar with a metal band? I'm really considering that coice. Thanks in advance.
Excellent snd informative video. TY
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you my friend
If I have a modeler amp/cab multi-effect with mono/stereo outputs XLR or 1/4 can I go directly to PA and then back to the FRFR speaker? Basically, I need to use FRFR speaker as the monitor for live shows and simultaneously use it as a power amp/cabinet in the practice room. Is that possible, or do I need some power amp between multi-effect and PA?
are there any workarounds to avoid 'turning up the FRFR automatically runs up the PA feed'?
so what i did was set my volume pretty loud on stage then told the sound guy and he can adjust the volume on their end
What about an acoustic guitar amp? They are clean and can reproduce those higher frequencies.
Is that too loud for bedroom practice? Or will it sound good at low volumes?
It is flexible enough to handle both. Low volume sounds fine.
Do I have this right? If I'm using this at a gig with my headrush pedal, the speaker is my stage monitor and there is an output on the back of the speaker that will connect to the front of house? Probably via a direct box?
You can send an out from your multi-effects to the front of house and the other to the FRFR yes.
@@addictedtogear I have Helix. Can you simultaneously connect to the front of house using XLR outputs, for stereo effects and use other 1/4 inch output from Helix connected to headrush frfr, just for monitoring, and any experience with that? Tnx :)
So for recording you would just want to B plug your multi-effects unit into your computer?
Yes. These things aim to produce a flawlessly mic’d sound.
Great video best on UA-cam about these speakers, thanks!
Wow, thanks!
An excellent, helpful video that answers questions I didn't even think of asking. I didn't know about how the speakers were laid out and they these cabs also included tweeters. I'm getting a Boss GT-1 soon and a flat response speaker would work well. But I never knew much about them. I want to capture the great tones I can hear on earphones through a monitor. I was also wondering if the sound would be as good as with a PA system like they would have at a club.
Glad you enjoyed it! The PA speakers would sound good but different. Thats why I like using this, its small enough to carry around and always sounds the same.
Is it better to turn off the internal speakers from the GX100 while connected to the Eurolive activé PARA/monitor?
first of all, thank you very much! it was really helpful.
Do you recommand this model or any other types of FRFR speakers with Zoom g9.2tt ?
This one works fine for me.
I have a Boss Singer Pro Amp & I wonder if I could plug it into the back directly & use it like a monitor? If so can these be looped or chained together (don't know if I'm saying that right?)
How is this claiming to be 2000w, when it says in the back "power consumption 800w", which is also wrong, because it uses either a 5amp fuse or 10 amp fuse depending on 110/250v?
Did you watch the video?
@@greysuit17 did you understand my question?
@@KurgerBing-p5i i did
I want to tweak HX Stomp programs in my headphones first before tweaking in the FRFR. Which headphones do you recommend. My in ear monitors sound way different than the bassier headrush
Thanks for this video!
Thank you very much for the explanation!!! You've just sold a headrush.
Question: Can this speaker just act as your sole output in a live gig without connecting it to a PA system where all other instruments are connected?
Yes, absolutely
That’s his job! Enjoy hella white noise and the headache you’ll have after 15 minutes in your room.
@@justinTime077 It's been 6 days since I've been rocking the speaker. No white noise here. There's noise you'd hear in a normal guitar amp, but it's extremely minimal unless you put your ear right next to it.
The only headache I'm experiencing is the headache of not being able to rocking this unit out ;). Bandmates are quite impressed.
But thank you for your effort.
@@SpectorEuro4 glad to hear you like it at least. it was too much/not worth it in my room.