Are Americans Obsessed with Race and Gender? | Middle Ground

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  • @jubilee
    @jubilee  4 роки тому +385

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    • @RobertZemeckis2025
      @RobertZemeckis2025 3 роки тому +7

      aoc is pos

    • @brendonsinger9859
      @brendonsinger9859 3 роки тому +2

      I agree mostly with Damani, the others made some good points also. He is the most logical and realistic in his evaluations.

    • @thornspitfire3977
      @thornspitfire3977 3 роки тому

      Yo what's up with calling it "middle ground", yet one can only be pro or contra identity politics? That's messed up.

    • @ragnarok7976
      @ragnarok7976 3 роки тому

      @@Spirit123 Try stronger bait, you'll get a bite.

    • @sabbirahmed2974
      @sabbirahmed2974 3 роки тому +2

      WE don't have blacks in my country so why would we need that playlist for?

  • @alanys_ts
    @alanys_ts 5 років тому +8358

    “just because you have a common trait, doesn’t mean you have the same experience.”
    dang that really hit me...

    • @AL-mm4vq
      @AL-mm4vq 5 років тому +38

      Ben Carson popped into my mind

    • @DirtGod145
      @DirtGod145 5 років тому +234

      It’s called intersectionality. Different identities interact with one another to create an entirely unique experience. For example, the experiences of a black women isn’t comparable to the experience of a black man, because one is a women and one is a man. Their experience of being a person of color is entirely unique.

    • @thesmartone8149
      @thesmartone8149 5 років тому +8

      Wow right when I decided to look at this comment, he said that. This seems to always happen to people doesnt it?

    • @jjw3046
      @jjw3046 5 років тому +283

      @@DirtGod145 To me that quote reads more like a critique of intersectional politics. Even two able-bodied cis hetero black women of the same socioeconomic class, for instance, might have radically different life experiences. Therefore the idea of intersectionality doesn't take you very far, because the only meaningful categorization that you can construct that is adequately multifactorial is on the level of the individual person; otherwise you run the risk of making unfounded generalizations about even a very specific group of people. In my opinion that sort of logic makes intersectionality itself a kind of stereotyping. Born of good intentions, I'm sure, but detrimental nonetheless.

    • @TheMFStudios
      @TheMFStudios 5 років тому +30

      Exactly. A poor African American can't relate to me because I grew up well off. And I experience that separation EVERYDAY

  • @josephtang227
    @josephtang227 5 років тому +5666

    Why do I feel like the line between "pro" and "anti" identity politics are so blurred between these people...

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 5 років тому +174

      two of them , the lady gal reared her head on feminism then switched sides on racism. so did the dark skinned arab dude.

    • @agitated-agitater
      @agitated-agitater 5 років тому +315

      I believe that people rationalize their beliefs however they want to. I think that the question should be asked who here thinks that their identity is important and if they would trade with a more marginalized person, or less marginalized identity, and if they would be okay with how they are then treated.

    • @borihenna2014
      @borihenna2014 5 років тому +213

      Yeah but I think that’s realistic to real life

    • @wuziq
      @wuziq 5 років тому +189

      cuz that's probably how most people are in real life

    • @jalepenopvp2300
      @jalepenopvp2300 5 років тому +105

      I think it’s because they are trying to have respectful conversation. It’s hard to have one that doesn’t get heated if you are extremely opposed to their views

  • @seancoakley9640
    @seancoakley9640 5 років тому +1387

    I loved how they disagree a lot, but never get mad or make a face and they just talked.

    • @dannygelbart6827
      @dannygelbart6827 5 років тому +63

      And never interrupted either. Agree, this group was amazing.

    • @dannygelbart6827
      @dannygelbart6827 5 років тому +13

      @@rao3704 Sadly not something that many people prescribe to these days.

    • @ginihall1234
      @ginihall1234 5 років тому +12

      Making a face is natural. It’s a response doesn’t mean they aren’t listening. It’s just breaking some barriers for them.

    • @ivandusakdiks3658
      @ivandusakdiks3658 5 років тому

      @@dannygelbart6827 like A LOT.

    • @korpakukac
      @korpakukac 4 роки тому +4

      Yeah, thats pretty rare nowadays when it comes to this topic

  • @roseknowsall7629
    @roseknowsall7629 3 роки тому +5244

    A wise woman once told me, “Society is too focused on who to blame rather than how to find a solution”.

    • @sorcerykid
      @sorcerykid 3 роки тому +185

      Exactly, and this is one of my big issues as an LGBTQ person (or perhaps not LGBTQ because I've so often been alienated by gatekeepers for not being queer enough). There's this hyper obsession with dividing people into two polar extremes, while blaming the "opposing" group for everyone's grievances. And it's neither healthy nor productive.

    • @superkamiguru6856
      @superkamiguru6856 3 роки тому +101

      @@sorcerykid
      I Am Bisexual and I don't identify with LGBTQ, partly because of this and partly because of cishet hate. It feels like the identity of LGBTQ is more geared toward hating the common enemy rather than finding similarities and supporting each other.

    • @smorgasbordbipples8106
      @smorgasbordbipples8106 3 роки тому +46

      Hard to find a solution when many refuse to see the problem

    • @aaronlandry3934
      @aaronlandry3934 3 роки тому +66

      @@smorgasbordbipples8106 It’s also difficult to fix a real problem when you’re constantly being distracted by non-problems that idiots refuse to acknowledge as non-problems. This happens a lot in the LGBTQ+ community, because everything is “homophobic” if one gay guy doesn’t like it.
      I’m Bi myself, but Jesus, get a grip!

    • @getschwifty7413
      @getschwifty7413 3 роки тому +13

      I recently was having a discussion about this and came to the realization that our idea of justice mirrors superheroes. Sadly, We don’t appreciate the hero for saving people and doing good as much as we appreciate the hero’s for epically beating the bad guy.... very sad.

  • @nightingale4786
    @nightingale4786 5 років тому +3465

    I just wanna tip my hat to whoever was in charge of casting this episode: you guys did a great job finding intelligent, well-articulated people on both sides of the issue!

    • @madipitkin
      @madipitkin 5 років тому +84

      Why are people like this^

    • @wsmokr
      @wsmokr 5 років тому +19

      @@madipitkin Attention seekers,ignore and they disappear.

    • @terrylovesyogurt5983
      @terrylovesyogurt5983 5 років тому +38

      I think there could have been more than one woman’s opinion represented, but other than that I agree, they had people who I didn’t expect to say what they did.

    • @zain4019
      @zain4019 4 роки тому

      megatron Universe
      Same

    • @99jewelz
      @99jewelz 4 роки тому

      @treeko 10k thanks for sharing that in such an articulate and interesting way - i bet everybody wanted to know about your stance on that specific topic - maybe it helps you to know that youre not alone...

  • @ilikemusic2726
    @ilikemusic2726 4 роки тому +3847

    A middle ground where one person wasn’t awful and every single one of them were extremely intelligent and respectful? Never thought I’d see it

    • @aisha5156
      @aisha5156 4 роки тому +7

      I like Music
      Honestly

    • @thomasklecker2721
      @thomasklecker2721 4 роки тому +17

      @@mooseontheloose-2531 📠 no 🖨️

    • @morihol8951
      @morihol8951 4 роки тому +3

      I like Music lol the vegan odd man out

    • @treybrown9296
      @treybrown9296 4 роки тому +29

      That guy with blue hat came off incredibly dishonest and misinformed.

    • @rustincohle2135
      @rustincohle2135 4 роки тому +41

      Damani doesn't believe that privilege exists in the world. Either that men have more advantages in certain career fields than woman nor with race. Damani is exceedingly unintelligent.

  • @Book_Dragon2562
    @Book_Dragon2562 5 років тому +6979

    This was a great episode. This felt like a genuine “middle ground,” no pandering or bias. No shying away from controversy. Everyone was respectful and thoughtful in their answers. This is the content that made me love you guys.

    • @jadenbroadway173
      @jadenbroadway173 5 років тому +49

      TheCjma88 I agree. Love seeing all these different people coming together and creating this dialog, creations like this will start breaking down the WALLS of xenophobia

    • @NibbleNips88
      @NibbleNips88 5 років тому +34

      Me tree. As a kid, it feels nice to see at least some people in this country can have a conversation and not a debate or having to hear ‘grown ups’ scream at each other about politics all the time. I’m just watching them thinking “How am I able to have a civilized conversation with a another human being, but you guys can’t talk to each other without pointing fingers at each other?” This world is wack

    • @RS-pr6ic
      @RS-pr6ic 5 років тому +37

      Indeed! This was the best episode so far! I believe these kind of civil and rational conversations are exactly what Middle Ground is created for. Both sides were calm, kind, open, well educated on the topic, but also emotional and passionate. This episode gives me a bit of hope for the human race.

    • @NibbleNips88
      @NibbleNips88 5 років тому

      Laugh it Off Me infinite ♾

    • @darklordsauron3415
      @darklordsauron3415 5 років тому +2

      Ikr I quickly clicked on this video excited to see some people verbally abusing one another but it was along great

  • @dragonsgorawr302
    @dragonsgorawr302 3 роки тому +1452

    “What’s wrong if we’re different?” “It’s okay”
    “What’s wrong if we’re the same?”
    “It’s Okay”
    *That hit me in the most comforting way*

  • @jacksonhenry7049
    @jacksonhenry7049 5 років тому +1511

    This was one of the more respectful “Middle Ground” videos.
    Wow that’s a good amount of likes.

  • @miniminerva
    @miniminerva 5 років тому +11782

    Asian dude straight up has main character hair.

    • @octopusmime
      @octopusmime 5 років тому +323

      hes so handsome!

    • @Zeeno
      @Zeeno 5 років тому +487

      He got that YuGiOh Action going

    • @ee8546
      @ee8546 5 років тому +245

      He looks like a cliche protagonist

    • @shacourbrissett9625
      @shacourbrissett9625 5 років тому +104

      @Black Ally to Protect White Men's Rights Seriously, how *insecure* are you that you felt the need to insult a stranger just because they received a compliment?

    • @annmariebusu9924
      @annmariebusu9924 5 років тому +19

      NotYourAvgGamer Goku 😅

  • @joshrelf2790
    @joshrelf2790 5 років тому +897

    "more pre occupied with being angry than finding a solution" that quote speaks volumes

    • @polatzaa
      @polatzaa 5 років тому +3

      9:03

    • @noobslayer6915
      @noobslayer6915 5 років тому +4

      Sadly it's a somewhat true.

    • @noobslayer6915
      @noobslayer6915 5 років тому

      @Under Doggg If only we could, how wonderful things would be.

    • @noreoz1024
      @noreoz1024 4 роки тому +3

      my favorite was: "for a group that claims to champion tolerance and true diversity, what I have seen overwhelmingly, is a lack of willingness to accept what other people think"

  • @afkgreg
    @afkgreg 3 роки тому +84

    this is a perfect group for middle ground, I find like every single person here learned and added to a civil discussion. Other episodes are much more of a point scoring debate. THIS WAS BEATIFUL

  • @pietergalesloot
    @pietergalesloot 5 років тому +14267

    This has to be the most well-educated group ever in this series.

    • @samnielsen7114
      @samnielsen7114 5 років тому +10

      VoidX what?

    • @jinjunliu2401
      @jinjunliu2401 5 років тому +292

      my small brain couldn't comprehend the conversation

    • @aus-li
      @aus-li 5 років тому +3

      Sam Nielsen I’m asking why the individual feels so uninformed?

    • @samnielsen7114
      @samnielsen7114 5 років тому +131

      VoidX I think he was saying that compared to other topics these people had a better grasp of what they were talking about unlike other videos where people just yell at each other

    • @aus-li
      @aus-li 5 років тому +3

      Sam Nielsen Makes sense. But then McOinkey said he couldn’t understand what was going on, so maybe some people are confused XD

  • @vue945
    @vue945 4 роки тому +2722

    Can we just congratulate all of these people for having such a civil discussion? It was really refreshing.

    • @trailerhero
      @trailerhero 4 роки тому +18

      @Odysseas G yeah it is pretty sad. Admittedly hits its peak with election years.

    • @ramneekmathur
      @ramneekmathur 4 роки тому +5

      Thank you 🙏

    • @neostar63
      @neostar63 4 роки тому +4

      Really good!

    • @korona1102
      @korona1102 4 роки тому +5

      I don't think there a feminist there so that is why.

    • @sunshinemama2325
      @sunshinemama2325 4 роки тому +16

      @@DTB1995 truly from what I've seen, people face to face usually can hold an incredible conversation, but over the phone or internet, it's just different because we are all dehumanized and dehumanize others.

  • @teamrainbow7674
    @teamrainbow7674 4 роки тому +3326

    “Green privilege is real”
    Alien stuck in Area 51: Allow me to disagree..

    • @GC-yw1mn
      @GC-yw1mn 4 роки тому +101

      There a serious cultural conflict between green aliens and grey aliens. Green privilege is real.

    • @lancomepotatoes5753
      @lancomepotatoes5753 4 роки тому +15

      @@GC-yw1mn you mean green and pink aliens?

    • @barnismyname915
      @barnismyname915 4 роки тому +31

      @@lancomepotatoes5753 no it's green and grey the pink aliens are like 40 billion light years away

    • @openthinker6562
      @openthinker6562 4 роки тому +19

      @@GC-yw1mn Nah, Green and Purple. Have you seen GTA 5? The Green Alien Vs Purple Alien war has waged for some time.

    • @scott8833
      @scott8833 4 роки тому +2

      what if they're purple

  • @holygraehl4009
    @holygraehl4009 3 роки тому +142

    "Identity Politics is playing team sports based on traits about yourself that you cannot change." I love that quote so much.

  • @pixmma9627
    @pixmma9627 3 роки тому +3176

    This has got to be the most nuanced and diverse group of opinions I have seen on a middle ground episode. I quickly lost track of who was supporting which side of the debate because they all constantly surprised me with how they answered the questions. It was honestly quite refreshing to watch.

    • @nathangaspacio6128
      @nathangaspacio6128 3 роки тому +57

      I feel like its ironic considering the topic of identity politics and their opinions ae so diverse between the two groups

    • @jasoncg2956
      @jasoncg2956 3 роки тому +74

      By far one of the most productive videos to come out of this series. Props to Jubilee for actually picking out some reasonable, nuanced individuals this time.

    • @MrEvldreamr
      @MrEvldreamr 3 роки тому +18

      @@nathangaspacio6128 well i believe its more like a pro- or anti- identity broken down into "strongly agree, moderately agree and somewhat agree" which is why there was so much nuance

    • @avivavogelgabriel5482
      @avivavogelgabriel5482 3 роки тому +1

      pixmma ~ I wholeheartedly agree … found sufficient complexity accompanied by smart, articulate expression, elevated this discussion quite a few notches above many of the others.

    • @dylanburns8759
      @dylanburns8759 2 роки тому +3

      seriously a great group of people

  • @melbookeriii20
    @melbookeriii20 5 років тому +978

    This is one of the few middle grounds where I’d love to see the entire group come back in another episode

    • @ramneekmathur
      @ramneekmathur 5 років тому +6

      Yes!!

    • @diegonelli9872
      @diegonelli9872 5 років тому +3

      the girl Natali i think she was in the video 6 trump supporters vs 1 hater

    • @Laura-Yu
      @Laura-Yu 5 років тому +2

      Mel Booker III Except for the Asian one, he has cool hair but not really into him

    • @melbookeriii20
      @melbookeriii20 5 років тому +10

      로라 [Laura] personally i thought he contributed a lot to the conversation. I need to watch again but i liked him

    • @angeliparraguirre7329
      @angeliparraguirre7329 5 років тому

      Part two... the retcon

  • @Synchrodicate
    @Synchrodicate 5 років тому +620

    Wow, can we all commend everyone here though? This was one of the chillest conversations ever. I enjoyed this episode a lot. Everyone waa so open and willing listen to each other without ridicule or animosity.

  • @mandyruth6313
    @mandyruth6313 2 роки тому +52

    This is by far the best Middle Ground debate by far. Everyone was articulate, respectful and all raised valid points

  • @ogechikaesedebe4086
    @ogechikaesedebe4086 5 років тому +345

    I love how they’re able to articulate themselves .

    • @Tima-oz5te
      @Tima-oz5te 5 років тому +16

      Fr if the flat earthers in that other episode had been able to communicate their ideas this well just to some degree I probably would've been able to take them more seriously

  • @alexaf.3158
    @alexaf.3158 5 років тому +10516

    Jubilee is killing the game. They're challenging the viewer's thinking, but in an entertaining way.

    • @blueshells5275
      @blueshells5275 5 років тому +33

      so well put :)

    • @Amanda-ms1si
      @Amanda-ms1si 5 років тому +44

      edutainment

    • @30061999pg
      @30061999pg 5 років тому +143

      I feel they're stopping the conversations too early, or leaving out the spicy parts. They discussed protecting their participants in one of the vids, while to an extent, an Erin type should be excluded, anything below that goes. These people are willingly joinning this conversation and sharing their views, protecting them from their own discussion is ridiculous. They should still guide the conversations, but right now, they're always only scratching the surface.

    • @MarshyDitch
      @MarshyDitch 5 років тому +49

      Painmaker even better put. I always leave these videos unsatisfied because I don’t get to hear, what I would consider the reasonable and educated person, go in depth about there thoughts and beliefs and try to explain it to other people. Like you said, scratching the surface.

    • @wisemafalda
      @wisemafalda 5 років тому +2

      I couldn't agree more. I am not an American nor do I live in America and still I find many of the issues discussed extremely educating in a global perspective!

  • @SirKnasher
    @SirKnasher 4 роки тому +11446

    "are Americans obsessed with identity politics?"
    Yes. Saved you 21 minutes.

    • @elenabob4953
      @elenabob4953 4 роки тому +62

      Exactly

    • @redexpizza1657
      @redexpizza1657 4 роки тому +184

      only democrats and liberals and communists

    • @funny.gon-12
      @funny.gon-12 4 роки тому +90

      I dont like the idea of identity politics I would want people voting for me because of me being ( redacted) I want people to support me because they believe I will create a better nation for blithe next generation of Americans.

    • @GarethWareth
      @GarethWareth 4 роки тому +102

      Yep. Whether they're obsessed with forcing identity politics on others or obsessed with shutting identity politics down, Americans are obsessed with it

    • @lotusbhop
      @lotusbhop 4 роки тому +14

      Because your comment that took 15 seconds to come up with for likes is more interesting than the video, sure ok.

  • @marcuswpIV
    @marcuswpIV 3 роки тому +146

    This group of people are insanely intelligent and intellectual. Best video I’ve seen from this series yet.

    • @benireges
      @benireges Рік тому

      Lol intelligent....

    • @spinekingjrgensen5779
      @spinekingjrgensen5779 Рік тому

      @@benireges Hard to fathom for one such as yourself.

    • @benireges
      @benireges Рік тому

      @@spinekingjrgensen5779 boy if this is america's standard for "intelligent" ur screwed big time

    • @timm8998
      @timm8998 Рік тому +1

      I honestly have a hard time seeing any pro identity polics person as being intelligent.

    • @benireges
      @benireges Рік тому +1

      @@timm8998 👏👏👏 identity politics should not exist!

  • @kassadeejarrett432
    @kassadeejarrett432 5 років тому +238

    This was probably one of the best episodes because everyone listened to each other, they didn't get angry. This is the kind of debates we need to have more of. Really enjoyed this!!

    • @EsotericElle
      @EsotericElle 5 років тому +1

      kassadee jarrett you guys only “don’t get angry” because you don’t care enough. Anger is a valid emotion.

    • @stina263
      @stina263 5 років тому +8

      L. Just because you don’t get angry when debating does not mean you don’t care. It means you’re a civil human being and are able to control your emotions

    • @kassadeejarrett432
      @kassadeejarrett432 5 років тому +2

      Stina exactly this is why I enjoyed this episode so much because everyone acted civil and genuinely wanted to hear what others said!

    • @kassadeejarrett432
      @kassadeejarrett432 5 років тому +1

      L. This is exactly what I was talking about, how do you know how I feel or who/what I care about. You try to start stuff out of nothing. All because I said I enjoyed this episode because everyone genuinely got along and respected and wanted to hear about others opinions.

    • @whyistherehandlesnow
      @whyistherehandlesnow 5 років тому

      "THATS A FALLACY"

  • @bishbosh4815
    @bishbosh4815 4 роки тому +6788

    "Just because you have a common trait, doesn't mean you have a shared experience." 👌

    • @cassandrawright5202
      @cassandrawright5202 4 роки тому +76

      I’ve said this for a long time .

    • @basundharachaudhuri700
      @basundharachaudhuri700 4 роки тому +43

      OMG FACTS

    • @baconoverlord7982
      @baconoverlord7982 4 роки тому +109

      People don't have anything to do with the people they LIVE WITH and share DNA with, much less people across the world that have the same skin color. It's amazing how racists think things like "white privilege" is somehow a real thing. But, of course racists aren't too smart.

    • @jckart
      @jckart 4 роки тому +1

      It’s a shame that wasn’t the point....

    • @mysweetp1ano
      @mysweetp1ano 4 роки тому +167

      @@baconoverlord7982 White privilege is objectively real. It's statistically provable, and college sociology professors could teach you all about it. Also acknowledging privilege isn't racist.

  • @andrewquesada4883
    @andrewquesada4883 5 років тому +702

    This was ACTUALLY a good conversation. Everyone seemed fairly open and willing to discuss the topic and hear the other side.

    • @zero2105
      @zero2105 5 років тому

      Mono_o I’m asking myself why you had to give him attention, lmao

  • @Swaymus
    @Swaymus 2 роки тому +69

    Would be interesting to have Americans and Non-Americans discuss this. Very nice though :) I love using your episodes to spark conversation in my classroom. Thanks for that!

  • @horneybadger86
    @horneybadger86 5 років тому +206

    This episode just proved to me that there is an actual middle ground

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 5 років тому +1

      how is Michelle doing these days

  • @codycao7868
    @codycao7868 5 років тому +3410

    everyone : "man all these people seem like intelligent human beings"
    me : how does this guy dan do his hair like that?

  • @juanpablorobayo9891
    @juanpablorobayo9891 5 років тому +1805

    First line of the episode
    Me: "OoOoOoOoOoOo spicy video today"

  • @adriimartin
    @adriimartin 2 роки тому +23

    This honestly felt like a group of friends were just having a discussion. Very well done

  • @its.eggsie
    @its.eggsie 5 років тому +1284

    "identity" is such a broad topic - I feel like this was like 5 different discussions in one

    • @RockslideTreeClan
      @RockslideTreeClan 5 років тому +48

      yeah i feel like any number of the topics touched on could use a video on their own

    • @isaiahsilverstein4412
      @isaiahsilverstein4412 5 років тому

      You want to feel that way because as an Asian, you are intensely privileged. It is gross and you should pay reparations to PoC.

    • @allyson4483
      @allyson4483 5 років тому +6

      Isaiah Silverstein ....

    • @alliedeleon2209
      @alliedeleon2209 5 років тому +6

      Isaiah Silverstein hUH LOL

    • @s.a.8548
      @s.a.8548 5 років тому +7

      @@isaiahsilverstein4412 aS A JEW YOU'RE EXTREMELY PRIVILEGED AND SHOULD PAY REPARATION TO EVERYONE lol

  • @jonnny_
    @jonnny_ 5 років тому +1712

    This video was so much more refreshing than the,' "Flat Earth vs Round Earth" conversation. My blood pressure was much much lower in comparison... "that's a FaLLacY"

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 5 років тому +7

      you are too young to be having this.

    • @giovanniherrera6037
      @giovanniherrera6037 5 років тому +69

      He looks like a grown ass man to me fym

    • @angelcake2278
      @angelcake2278 5 років тому +12

      Lechiffresix six what age are you supposed to be to talk about the problems in your society??

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 5 років тому +28

      @@angelcake2278 i was talking about his escalating blood pressure

    • @angelcake2278
      @angelcake2278 5 років тому +5

      Lechiffresix six oh okay carry on

  • @jacobbriers7863
    @jacobbriers7863 4 роки тому +486

    1:11 "what is the most important part of your identity?"
    "human being"
    we should all think like that

  • @austinflake3938
    @austinflake3938 5 місяців тому +2

    This collaboration was heartening to watch. I believe people have more in common than they do different. Differences should not inherently mean conflict. It’s our differences that make the tapestry of a community rich and beautiful.

  • @saxyman1365
    @saxyman1365 4 роки тому +5658

    "You're more occupied about being angry, than finding a solution"
    *Truer words have never been said*

    • @Cybernaut551
      @Cybernaut551 4 роки тому +5

      Unite for the UNSC, hoorah!

    • @dereklong7757
      @dereklong7757 4 роки тому +124

      the thing is why is it that us black people have to be bad because we are angry... if yuh go to a restaurant and they spit on your food aren’t yuh going to be angry.... hell yes... we have gave the entire world solutions like lets be equal.... and how about looking at us as human and not animals.... it gets old that people tell us there’s no privilege and all kinds of excuses to move away from the fact that we are treated wrong.... We will continue to peacefully to find a solution ... but why is it that its so hard to just say yuh are just as important as the next.... instead our govern on both sides have created so many legislative road block for black people.... if yuh deny it then yuh are sitting among the privilege of not having to look from our level where we look from the dirt and mud and everyone else from their recliner watching tv....

    • @captainred3781
      @captainred3781 4 роки тому +33

      @derek long if people are spitting in your food you can sue them

    • @dereklong7757
      @dereklong7757 4 роки тому +45

      @@captainred3781 yuh took the wrong thing out of wat i said ....it was an example.... and the fact that it stood out the most over everything else....

    • @john-doemcalias4759
      @john-doemcalias4759 4 роки тому +98

      @@dereklong7757 so you are angry? You feel resentment? So you go out and "be bad" right? Whats next? Cuz so far you've managed to equate a cultural revolution to a dennis the menace comic. If you dont know what the next step is, you probably shouldnt be involved. We get it: BLM activists are mad. Now stop breaking things and PLEASE go do something productive for our communities. And for yourselves.

  • @davis3909
    @davis3909 5 років тому +3698

    Scientists that are Christian vs scientists that are atheists

    • @raychill2005
      @raychill2005 5 років тому +103

      would be so cool

    • @퀴수스케세수스
      @퀴수스케세수스 5 років тому +141

      Indeed, both my friend and I are biology researchers, but she is a fundamentalist and I am an atheist. One day I asked her how does she deal with the scientific teachings that challenge her beliefs and she told me that for certain scientific beliefs like evolution and the big bang, that go against the adam and eve origins of the bible, she just laughs at them and ignores it and moves on.

    • @rudigerrudiger6436
      @rudigerrudiger6436 5 років тому +8

      senseless

    • @Roman-oe4rg
      @Roman-oe4rg 5 років тому +13

      퀴수스케세수스 That’s what i do too 😂

    • @yerma6149
      @yerma6149 5 років тому +4

      Yes, that is interesting!

  • @amandeepsandhu9052
    @amandeepsandhu9052 5 років тому +455

    This was honestly one of my favorite conversations, everyone had clear points and argued them well. No one was rude or angry at anyone for their opinion.
    This was a genuine discussion

    • @jsav4269
      @jsav4269 5 років тому +4

      It's Amanda duh..... it didn’t take place on Twitter, that’s the difference between real world and faux outrage from the mainstream media and Twitter

    • @jelly4129
      @jelly4129 5 років тому

      @@jsav4269 fr a lot of these videos people argue this one went smoothly

    • @alansands256
      @alansands256 5 років тому +3

      I think because, unlike other divisions this video series has explored, there isnt a clear cut philosophical divide between what makes someone pro or anti identity politics. They each seemed to be on their respective side for different reasons.

  • @alanalan2732
    @alanalan2732 3 роки тому +540

    hello an italian here. I would really like to understand, without being offensive, some things. For example, one thing here in Europe we sometimes fail to grasp about the American problem with racism is how this can still go on in the media. Racist people have always existed and will always exist because someone will always be afraid of what is different from him / her. But for example one thing I don't understand is why do you still use the word RACE? Why, for example, when you hear some political programs you hear about the people of the United States always divided into groups? For example, politicians talk about the votes of Latinos, Asians and Africans. What does it mean? you are all American citizens, aren't you? It sounds so offensive to me.
    I have many friends around Europe (so different countries and different cultures) and we are very concerned about some habits that are coming from the United States. One example above all is the politically correct. it is something that is taking away the dialectic and the confrontation as soon as one feels offended defines the other person with very heavy accusations: racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, misogynist and many others. All this is the end of the evolution of society because it does not create freedom but friction.
    I read sometimes people that speak of forgiveness or not forgiveness. They have to act in certain way because their ancestors were destroy.
    It's a very interesting thing because sometimes I think it's family related.
    Sometimes in the eyes of Europeans it is strange to see news that still speak of frictions linked to the american civil war of the south against the north. In our eyes it is as if the strength to leave the past behind us is really lacking. This does not mean forgetting because it would be the biggest mistake but building a better future on that. Because if I were to see Europe from a perspective of this type, I as an Italian would have problems with the Germans, the French, the Spaniards, and so many other European countries among them. I should have problems with my other Italian compatriots because half of Italy was fascist and later with other Italians because between the 60s and 80s we had "the years of lead" where the communist extremists carried out attacks.
    Sometimes families transmit hatred or fear towards the other, but also the feeling of being less and with fewer privileges. I think the most accurate comment, seen from the outside, is precisely the privilege of money. Who has the money can have everything the others trudge behind. I hope you can change the discourse of health and education in USA (make them pay less) so as to be able to start smoothing out differences and contrasts.
    I am really interested in your comments to try to understand better because we are far away and we do not understand all the nuances we have little informations. Thanks and sorry for my english.

    • @fabianmarcetic3232
      @fabianmarcetic3232 3 роки тому +111

      Very true. “Race” is not a thing. Simply adapted different colors for the climate we used to live in.

    • @masterchiefiii
      @masterchiefiii 3 роки тому +9

      bella pezzo amico

    • @blakeleeberggren5335
      @blakeleeberggren5335 3 роки тому +48

      Your so completely right when it comes money. It's the great equalizer and most issues that someone experiences due to their races can be negated with enough wealth. As an American I can say with much confidence that this country is going to crumble and burn before anything gets better. Our " representatives" dont represent us and they dont care about real issues as long as they get votes. I wish I could be more optimistic, but people focus so heavily on race that they ignore the real enemy. The real big bad in the untied states isnt rasicm it's the federal reserve and their scummy corporate cronies. If the majority of Americans knew just how much we were being fucked over by centralized banking we could have a the revolution over and done with by the end of the week.

    • @lavinder11
      @lavinder11 3 роки тому +25

      Because we treat each other differently based on skin color and class.

    • @AJ-lm5dl
      @AJ-lm5dl 3 роки тому +13

      We have these things called "democrats" here in America. And in order for democrats to stay in power and stay relevant, they need to put on a false face of being "anti-racist". However, racism is practically dead in America, which would mean that democrats wouldn't get elected. Because of that, democrats need to create racism out of thin air to keep themselves relevant and continue to emotionally manipulate people into voting for them. Democrats of today are more detrimental to the health of America than covid-19 can ever be. Democrats are Anti-Americans, which is why they hate the American flag and burn it at their rallies.

  • @Ryanator
    @Ryanator 5 років тому +872

    This is how discussions are suppose to go. These people are really mature and intelligent

    • @toresagen7346
      @toresagen7346 5 років тому

      I'm trying to help you critically think here. Just ask yourself why didn't they include a straight white male when talking about identity politics? It's almost as if all non whites want to abolish only one identity, white identity. They hate us. There is a war on white men.

    • @Drizzylaflair
      @Drizzylaflair 5 років тому

      Tore Sagen you are right about that, but ever time I bring that up as a problem to people they look at me sideways because I’m supposed to hate white people. I feel like it’s a war on everything because it’s just a big disconnect grime white, black, rich, poor, men and women

    • @DJ-hi6oc
      @DJ-hi6oc 5 років тому +5

      @@toresagen7346 Not sure if that's the reason - the video overall was pretty geared towards anti identity politics, so the editing and supposed 'hate for white men' don't align in my eyes.
      Plus I felt the conservative Damani was perfectly placed there. Every line he spoke was to to the point, and he really got the point across. As someone who doesn't believe in identity politics, I don't give a damn that he isn't white.
      Objectively speaking though, it's much easier to convince people who ARE into identity politics using people who are 'immune' to such built-in hate (aka black people, LGBT etc).

    • @ke2075
      @ke2075 5 років тому +2

      @@toresagen7346 Jesse was a straight white guy?

    • @Groganee
      @Groganee 5 років тому +3

      @@toresagen7346 Hum did you even watch the video, Jesse is a white man, he even says so himself...

  • @mrsoshadabaadman
    @mrsoshadabaadman 4 роки тому +1492

    I was so confused. I didn't know who was pro or anti. Maybe cause everyone was so civil.

    • @victoriaandrade9657
      @victoriaandrade9657 4 роки тому +136

      Mr Sosha Da baad Man I think they were so civil because they understand that opinions are nuanced and no one is truly 100% pro or anti anything. If you get that you’re not going to 100% agree with specific ideas within a movement it makes you more tolerant to the other side

    • @onemillionpercent
      @onemillionpercent 4 роки тому +35

      right, they all seemed to agree with parts of eachother's arguments

    • @JacquelynKay
      @JacquelynKay 4 роки тому +3

      💯

    • @Bradley_Lute
      @Bradley_Lute 4 роки тому +10

      When they talk, their affiliation pops up under their name. But that's the important thing, conversation should ideally be civil like this all the time. We shouldn't get mad when others hold an opinion we don't like. We should drill down to find out more nuance, assert that we think about it and our belief and then let them decide what they think. It's as simple as that. People, especially liberals, are becoming increasingly intolerant to others opinions. There is some good reason for this and a lot of bad. Intolerance to opinions seems mostly to be a discomfort with our own ideology. A lack of willingness to engage can be a sign of bad character. Like you don't have your facts straight.

    • @Achilles053
      @Achilles053 4 роки тому

      brad Lute if only everyone else thought like you

  • @lydiatwa8723
    @lydiatwa8723 5 років тому +511

    this was the first middle round that I agreed with almost everyones perspectives, they're all so intelligent and respectful I loved it

    • @MaouxDaBoYYY55
      @MaouxDaBoYYY55 5 років тому +2

      @treeko 10k haahahaahhahaaahahahah so uncalled for

    • @monkiram
      @monkiram 5 років тому

      Same, I think this is my favourite episode so far

  • @petersaysthings
    @petersaysthings 3 роки тому +9

    This is without a doubt one of my favorite and most important Middle Ground episodes. So much of what was said is important and illuminating in ways the mainstream media wouldn't dare ever share. Thank you, Jubilee.

  • @mac4951
    @mac4951 5 років тому +322

    When Xavier answered “human being” to the question of what his most important identity was...chillls, dude.

    • @thisaccount3411
      @thisaccount3411 5 років тому +7

      Honestly kind of preferred the "empathy" answer but agree. Definitely meant to be a chills moment, and I still appreciated his (I think) answer.

    • @Piecesoftheshadow
      @Piecesoftheshadow 5 років тому +4

      Mac I liked the empathy answer better, but human being was good, too.

    • @h3llboyyy407
      @h3llboyyy407 5 років тому +1

      I liked the American answer tbh. It's a good balance between all of their identities and realistic ideas. Each country differs with mindsets and claiming American human is the best fit. We can't speak for other countries.

    • @Piecesoftheshadow
      @Piecesoftheshadow 5 років тому +1

      Mitchellthe senpai Nah, answering that your identity is based on being American or any other nationality, is part of the problem that puts us in these categories that separate us and convince us were too different. Yes, your culture and country have an effect on you, but it is NOT your identity. Take that away and who are you? You're still a human being and empathetic and a thinker (hopefully).

    • @h3llboyyy407
      @h3llboyyy407 5 років тому

      @@Piecesoftheshadow nope bruh in the end we all should represent the countries or places we are from and then learn to coexist with the rest of the world with our differences. If Russia decided to rage war right now on american grounds , guess what , no one in Russia nor the U.S is going to want to support each other just because we are all the same specimen.

  • @Don2006
    @Don2006 5 років тому +462

    The entire cast of this episode was so damn educated, well-spoken, and level-headed that it could get this video demonetized. Would've been nice to see your average UA-cam commenter in the discussion so that he could get ripped to shreds.

    • @user-nv9vn8fm1d
      @user-nv9vn8fm1d 5 років тому +26

      Might want to rethink that. The desire to see people get ripped to shreds is why these conversations usually devolve.

    • @kennethreichelt
      @kennethreichelt 5 років тому +20

      I thought it was by far the brightest members that have ever been on.

    • @ramneekmathur
      @ramneekmathur 5 років тому +4

      I appreciate you Don! 🙌

  • @AB-sr4xd
    @AB-sr4xd 5 років тому +461

    "Do All Stay-at-home Parents Think The Same?" Please include women and men if you do this.

  • @sarahpitman2966
    @sarahpitman2966 2 роки тому +17

    I love the fact that despite having different thoughts and opinions, they could all hug at the end. Respect and appreciate each other’s thoughts and opinions, as it should be ❤️

  • @jcucuta7
    @jcucuta7 5 років тому +1107

    "What is the most important part of your identity?"
    *"Human Being."*

    • @fritzjackson4336
      @fritzjackson4336 5 років тому +83

      Ironic coming from the one who was for identity politics too

    • @victoriaque601
      @victoriaque601 5 років тому +46

      Fritz Jackson actually when you think about it, no it isn’t.

    • @jamesbedichek6106
      @jamesbedichek6106 5 років тому +1

      Big facts

    • @trorisk
      @trorisk 5 років тому +7

      Notice that none of them said the identity of beeing an english speaker. Whereas language is the first social construct that allows you to understand the world.

    • @aarond33
      @aarond33 5 років тому +8

      That was a great way to start a difficult conversation about identity. It acknowledges that we are coming into the conversation for the same reasons.

  • @pinkclogs
    @pinkclogs 5 років тому +2418

    xavier: i want to be a holistic nutritionist
    erin: that’s not vegan
    shelley: that’s fallacy

    • @j.j.7666
      @j.j.7666 5 років тому +102

      cece i feel like erin and shelley are gonna be in every videos comment now🥦🥬🏖🌎

    • @kaylenejantjes8113
      @kaylenejantjes8113 5 років тому +9

      I knew this would happen! 😂

    • @yourmum9591
      @yourmum9591 5 років тому +2

      😂😂😂

    • @kimbo7044
      @kimbo7044 5 років тому +10

      OH WHOS SHELLY??? Ik about erin tho 😂

    • @clementinejr5884
      @clementinejr5884 5 років тому +17

      @@kimbo7044 watch flat earth vs globe earth

  • @kendallschmidt9214
    @kendallschmidt9214 5 років тому +553

    I didn’t know this many intelligent and graceful people existed this was the best ep yet

  • @janesigabaro7593
    @janesigabaro7593 3 роки тому +9

    I’m very impressed with this video. They hands down have been the most intelligent group I’ve seen. They didn’t become frustrated or angry. They listened and acknowledged differences. They truly understand being human in my opinion They didn’t try to tear each other down but instead built on top of each other. If they made up most of America we would get things done..

  • @ericrossoni
    @ericrossoni 5 років тому +550

    It’s almost you can’t tell who is on the other side. They all seem to agree with each other and respected each other. Everyone listened. Great conversation.

    • @Sapphire867
      @Sapphire867 5 років тому +7

      I love how these discussions are respectful

    • @caroa8
      @caroa8 5 років тому +18

      @@Sapphire867 minus the flat Earth one ://

    • @Sapphire867
      @Sapphire867 5 років тому

      @@caroa8 yeah

    • @ChatsWithChris
      @ChatsWithChris 5 років тому

      This was a nonsense conversation.

  • @ascnd
    @ascnd 5 років тому +3620

    Everyone: *actual constructive comments*
    Me: YO DAN GOT THAT PHYSICS DEFYING ANIME HAIR WTF IS GOING ON

    • @mohamedbahaa5084
      @mohamedbahaa5084 5 років тому +93

      why is no one talking abt that ?

    • @Sombre_gd
      @Sombre_gd 5 років тому +89

      I was waiting the entire if he throw KAMEHAMEHA towards somebody.

    • @NobodySingsAlong
      @NobodySingsAlong 5 років тому +49

      My hair used to do that. I would condition it in the shower before bed with mane n tail horse conditioner and let it dry while I slept. In the morning it would stick up just like that and return to the same position no matter how much I jerked my head around. It was glorious. Throw some decent hairspray on it, and it'd last all day.

    • @MegaShinobi2011
      @MegaShinobi2011 5 років тому +17

      Excuse me, the main character of series is never pointed out as being the main character by side characters.

    • @serenityq26
      @serenityq26 5 років тому +5

      yep. so goku lol thats all i saw

  • @purvab1683
    @purvab1683 5 років тому +422

    Jubilee coming in clutch with these dictionary terms.

    • @etf42
      @etf42 5 років тому +1

      dictionary terms are subjective

    • @babushkalol
      @babushkalol 5 років тому +3

      @@etf42 Words and terms do have objective meaning.

    • @etf42
      @etf42 5 років тому +1

      Alystxo no they don’t

    • @babushkalol
      @babushkalol 5 років тому +1

      @@etf42 So green is blue and water is milk in your opinion? Ofc there are words and terms with objective meaning that is recognized unanimously by the people of that language/culture.

    • @SelcraigClimbs
      @SelcraigClimbs 5 років тому +1

      @@babushkalol dictionaries define common usage, which obviously mutates over time. If you were to take dictionaries as your standard for defining words then you could argue they are objective, but only in that sense, drastically reducing effective communication with other people as a by-product. Words themselves have no meaning until interpreted subjectively.

  • @TheWizardGamez
    @TheWizardGamez 3 роки тому +292

    Identity politics is bad for everyone. There’s no problem with having an identity and making that a part of being yourself. But when you add that to the divisive nature of politics it leads to bad things.

    • @Rizen-mu6nx
      @Rizen-mu6nx 3 роки тому +5

      I hate identity politics because my experience with it is when women say that I can’t have an opinion on killing human life because I’m male.

    • @LaurynAli27
      @LaurynAli27 3 роки тому +54

      @@Rizen-mu6nx why would you have an opinion on women's reproductive rights when you arent a woman or you dont have a uterus yourself? Does that make sense to you?

    • @crimsonblob
      @crimsonblob 3 роки тому +7

      @@LaurynAli27 well, if a woman gets pregnant the guy is also responsible for it, right? So why then when it comes to decide what's the future of that baby that guy suddenly can't be a part of that decision?

    • @LaurynAli27
      @LaurynAli27 3 роки тому +42

      @@crimsonblob is the guy the one risking his life giving birth? it’s so simple to stay out of women’s bodies but you men just can’t let it tf go for some reason

    • @JustinQREYES
      @JustinQREYES 2 роки тому

      I dont like dabbling with these types of things but well just this once I just want to show my take on this type of thing

  • @XxPureKhaosxX
    @XxPureKhaosxX 5 років тому +371

    For a country that's supposed to be one big melting pot, people sure do like grouping themselves, labeling things, and standing out.

    • @hinahinananoha7783
      @hinahinananoha7783 5 років тому +14

      Pure_Khaos Well there is a term salad bowl as opposed to all melting, so to speak:)

    • @dc3011
      @dc3011 5 років тому +9

      Pure_Khaos I completely agree! I live in the south and blacks people segregate themselves but cry when they don’t get awarded something or what have you

    • @XxPureKhaosxX
      @XxPureKhaosxX 5 років тому +15

      D C Not sure what you’re talking about or trying to say but identity politics apply just as much to you as they do the people you like to criticize. Republicans are just as annoying as the “libtards” they hate so much. White people group themselves just as much as black people do. Women group themselves just as much as men do. And each side always has something to say about the opposing side instead of just minding their own business.

    • @XxPureKhaosxX
      @XxPureKhaosxX 5 років тому +3

      Hinahina Nanoha Yes but all the individual components start fighting over who’s the bigger victim and who is the most entitled when the only thing that should matter is that we are Americans and our differences should help us come together instead of people getting offended by other people’s business. It’s true of everybody in America regardless of race, religion, sexuality, etc. everybody gives way too much of a crap over other people’s lives that don’t affect their own

    • @Asf-bj4rw
      @Asf-bj4rw 5 років тому +9

      People around the world self segregate from people who don’t look like them. It’s normal human behavior

  • @JB-fs3cq
    @JB-fs3cq 5 років тому +612

    Damani I seriously like the fact that he goes against the grain in some instances but calmly explains his point of view. First person I've really gotten behind in these videos.

    • @AK-jt7kh
      @AK-jt7kh 5 років тому +42

      J B Same. He is awesome. So logical and his responses are so well thought out. It’s obvious he’s his own person, and not a product of some group he identifies as

    • @JB-fs3cq
      @JB-fs3cq 5 років тому +6

      @@AK-jt7kh exactly right!! It's becoming less common nowadays to say what you believe in rather than some ideologically driven response!

    • @shungite8240
      @shungite8240 5 років тому +5

      He’s probably the person that represents me the most

    • @starpoweredstudios7622
      @starpoweredstudios7622 4 роки тому +2

      He's a contrarian

    • @thevis5465
      @thevis5465 4 роки тому +3

      @@starpoweredstudios7622 Hurr durr, someone disagrees he contrarian so he not worth listening to.

  • @its.eggsie
    @its.eggsie 5 років тому +697

    Dan's hair is straight up out of an anime

    • @zxra6xx821
      @zxra6xx821 5 років тому +9

      창연 Clara Park he’s gorgeous

    • @currently7886
      @currently7886 5 років тому

      That's racist

    • @shawnhall3849
      @shawnhall3849 5 років тому +2

      창연 Clara Park
      Looks like he was in a wind tunnel

    • @eliask5217
      @eliask5217 5 років тому +4

      Currently no

    • @currently7886
      @currently7886 5 років тому

      @@eliask5217
      Anime=Asian
      So it is either cultural appropriation or racism. Because you can't wear something like that, and since he is Asian, it cannot be cultural appropriation, so it must be racist.

  • @RWtubb
    @RWtubb 2 роки тому +407

    The idea of identity politics has got to be the most privileged and 1st-world idea I’ve ever known

    • @hushdolll5112
      @hushdolll5112 2 роки тому +25

      Bro fr.

    • @hemangmathur2823
      @hemangmathur2823 2 роки тому +15

      Its here in India too lmao. And I'd say it's actually as bad as it is in the USA. Not just first world.

    • @amk210
      @amk210 2 роки тому

      100%

    • @pffpffovich2398
      @pffpffovich2398 Рік тому +9

      @@hemangmathur2823 In India it's caste system, a bit different thing.

    • @captainpainal1971
      @captainpainal1971 Рік тому

      True

  • @Christian-id1is
    @Christian-id1is 5 років тому +901

    this was the most productive middle ground I've seen yet

  • @Camilingue3
    @Camilingue3 5 років тому +206

    This needed to be unedited, the topics were not addressed enough I needed more they all had such interesting things to say. Part 2 please!

    • @sirmel11
      @sirmel11 5 років тому +5

      part 2 would be great!

    • @sophialiu4236
      @sophialiu4236 5 років тому +6

      Yes!!!! I felt like a lot of the discussions were cut short by the editing so an unedited version would be great!

  • @marciaosullivan3200
    @marciaosullivan3200 5 років тому +551

    "pro identity politics on the left and anti identity politics on the right" I see what you did.

    • @SAMIE2011ify1
      @SAMIE2011ify1 5 років тому +44

      They do this with every video. Pro-life on the right, pro-choice on the left. Police on the right , BLM on the left.

    • @Sonic_emperor
      @Sonic_emperor 5 років тому +38

      I'm a left wing guy and my opposition to identity politics is at the core of my being.

    • @AishaLikesCricket
      @AishaLikesCricket 5 років тому +12

      @@Sonic_emperor Marxist here. Also not a fan of identity politics

    • @JoseRojas-ns1dp
      @JoseRojas-ns1dp 5 років тому +18

      Left wing ideas are in fundamental contradiction with identity politics. Identity politics are based on individualism and are largely used as a tool to avoid talking about left wing economic ideas. Corporate centrists are not left wingers, even if many americans falsely believe so.

    • @yourfriendlyneighborhoodsm4708
      @yourfriendlyneighborhoodsm4708 5 років тому +3

      Marcia Osullivan The thing was, not everyone who was anti identity politics was right leaning and not everyone on the pro identity politics side were left leaning

  • @lalibelardo1706
    @lalibelardo1706 3 роки тому +13

    I love these discussions so much it’s not heated, very understanding and mature

  • @EA-mc6xb
    @EA-mc6xb 4 роки тому +2430

    Are Americans obsessed with race and gender?
    *Yes, most definitely yes*

    • @ivyrainbitch
      @ivyrainbitch 4 роки тому +3

      Elmin Alić have you been to america?

    • @starman275
      @starman275 4 роки тому +76

      @@ivyrainbitch I have been in amercia, and he's right

    • @aceofspades2808
      @aceofspades2808 4 роки тому +76

      @@ivyrainbitch I've live in America and yes, yes we are. Reason why the country is more divided than it should be.
      Edit: Met to say "live in" instead of "been to" sorry

    • @SiobhanS1868
      @SiobhanS1868 4 роки тому +5

      Agreed.

    • @alaaaziz3565
      @alaaaziz3565 4 роки тому +14

      Yes I remember one time someone made my friend cry and people were yelling at the dude for making a girl cry like if she was a guy it would have made it right

  • @courtneyschatz4271
    @courtneyschatz4271 5 років тому +206

    This was by far one of jubilees best episodes. Everyone was so respectful and well spoken. Thank you for this one!

  • @clairek8651
    @clairek8651 5 років тому +432

    Dan’s hair looks like a flower that only blooms once a year at night.

  • @whasianguy655
    @whasianguy655 3 роки тому +12

    This was a very articulate and thought provoking group. If people were to listen and speak their perspective like this more often, there wouldn’t be such a huge divide among groups of people.

  • @peepmam
    @peepmam 4 роки тому +4493

    "What is the most important part of your identity?"
    - being an american
    *this is the most american thing i've ever heard*

    • @madlad5555
      @madlad5555 4 роки тому +104

      @Brian T he's saying it in a positive connotation

    • @anaa9245
      @anaa9245 4 роки тому +8

      Lmao

    • @7svn.
      @7svn. 4 роки тому +198

      @Brian T can be, american tourist think other countries owe them due to them being american.
      There is no issue with being proud of who you are and your country, but it becomes a problem when you think you are better than everyone else

    • @Tarubro
      @Tarubro 4 роки тому +24

      Makes me jealous as a non American because India aint nothing to be proud of 😭

    • @fuckoffgoogle9747
      @fuckoffgoogle9747 4 роки тому +82

      @@Tarubro why not? Huge problems but come a long way since independence and one of the oldest civilisations in the world. Home to 3 of the worlds most practiced and oldest religions. Chess, yoga, mathematics, one of the most effective space agencies in the world despite how low its budget is. Liberated Bangladesh from genocide and has made huge strides in cutting poverty since independence. Brilliant food and people.
      Again, tonnes of problems, but tonnes to love too

  • @Iloverandomness100
    @Iloverandomness100 5 років тому +274

    “You’re more preoccupied with being angry than finding a solution” absolutely

    • @momox8133
      @momox8133 4 роки тому +8

      It’s very sad that that’s the line that stood out the most to you.

    • @Iloverandomness100
      @Iloverandomness100 4 роки тому +17

      Momo X there’s a lot that stood out but that quote is very real. People are so quit to yell and fight and being right than finding a solution to fix the issue in the first place. I don’t understand how you’re bent about it. And you are bent, don’t say you aren’t, or you wouldn’t have said anything

    • @momox8133
      @momox8133 4 роки тому +2

      Kelsey Goebel No one dealing with real problems would rather argue than find a solution.

    • @Iloverandomness100
      @Iloverandomness100 4 роки тому +4

      Momo X you’d be surprised what angry people do. If you think that then step outside for a second in a different city or town or state that isn’t typically “calm” for you.

    • @momox8133
      @momox8133 4 роки тому

      red x17 or people not being racist and supporting racists

  • @yardenb8806
    @yardenb8806 5 років тому +806

    I lost too many braincells from the last flat earther middle ground. Thank you for this.

    • @khhk6439
      @khhk6439 5 років тому +5

      ha sameeeee finally got those back after i lost them ALL

    • @SamFeenz
      @SamFeenz 5 років тому +2

      This comment !! 👌🏽👌🏽

    • @lydialadraa2333
      @lydialadraa2333 5 років тому +1

      Omg same😂😂🤪

    • @TheBeatSmash
      @TheBeatSmash 5 років тому

      Because they didn't have strong arguments on the flat side. Jubilee has their biast but I still enjoy the videos. Give me your best globe argument. I'll counter and give my best flat argument

    • @drewm.2790
      @drewm.2790 5 років тому

      Dank Memes same lmao

  • @eduardoprieto5267
    @eduardoprieto5267 3 роки тому +9

    Beautiful people having a conversation listening to each with a positive attitude. Please more amazing Americans like them needed. God bless them all.

  • @emma-di5ly
    @emma-di5ly 5 років тому +106

    Xavier is so well spoken and I have so much respect for him. He's really cool and made awesome points. Same with Jesse.

    • @TBx46
      @TBx46 5 років тому

      Emma lol no

    • @4everelman
      @4everelman 5 років тому +4

      I agree, but I think it was obvious that Ramnek and Dan had a more nuanced view of things while these two and Damani had more of a recycled narrative

  • @maiyatrujillo4248
    @maiyatrujillo4248 5 років тому +152

    It was amazing to hear Xavier just casually say "I'm trans". It blows my mind that something that huge can just be a part of your life, that it's completely possible to move on from it and just.... Live your life. It gives me so much hope

  • @dyslexicdarling898
    @dyslexicdarling898 5 років тому +1710

    *Chill parents vs strict parents*
    I really want to know where this discussion would go ^_^

  • @UsAsiansEatRice
    @UsAsiansEatRice 3 роки тому +8

    "For a group that claims to champion tolerance and true diversity, what I have seen overwhelmingly is a lack of willingness to accept what other people think"

  • @jamesongaertner9416
    @jamesongaertner9416 5 років тому +1368

    “Seems like you’re more preoccupied with being angry than finding a solution.”
    That so perfectly sums up our culture.

    • @lucasbrunoz
      @lucasbrunoz 5 років тому +69

      But can you blame people for being angry?

    • @snowrewhite
      @snowrewhite 5 років тому +62

      Yes but then again what if being angry is a part of the process of getting a solution

    • @HouseMDaddict
      @HouseMDaddict 5 років тому +35

      @@lucasbrunoz no you can't blame people for being angry but just being angry doesn't solve anything and depending on how people use their anger, it can almost destroy their argument. I go to faculty meetings where people just complain and are angry about situations occurring in schools for the entire hour and nothing is resolved. It's great that people vent but you need to vent and then start working toward a solution. Just angry and venting with no ways to make the situations better doesn't help anybody.

    • @gianniclaud
      @gianniclaud 5 років тому +17

      Yeah, but guess what? That anger is valid.

    • @mari_7225
      @mari_7225 5 років тому +27

      @@gianniclaud No one is saying it's not valid.😗 Of course it's valid 100% but anger won't get you anywhere in trying to find a solution.

  • @jeniflor5379
    @jeniflor5379 5 років тому +673

    I love how freely everyone was able to articulate their thoughts😊

    • @lord_cobi
      @lord_cobi 5 років тому

      Yeah females tend not to do that lol

    • @siamhyde9692
      @siamhyde9692 5 років тому +5

      lord cobi you’re the problem

    • @lord_cobi
      @lord_cobi 5 років тому

      @@siamhyde9692 proving my point 😂

    • @everythingmadi5612
      @everythingmadi5612 5 років тому

      Jennifer García-Israel right, they didn’t cut eachother off

    • @danielntemuse5653
      @danielntemuse5653 5 років тому

      treeko 10k was that really necessary

  • @TheMissingLink2
    @TheMissingLink2 5 років тому +1138

    Its kinda unavoidable living in the society we live in.
    The issue isn't recognizing differences but stereotyping because of those differences. And that's something this country's population loves to do about one another.

    • @utisti4976
      @utisti4976 5 років тому +14

      Exactly.

    • @Jay-jb2vr
      @Jay-jb2vr 5 років тому +2

      Yea

    • @kasperknutsen8283
      @kasperknutsen8283 5 років тому +27

      America is fucked up.
      The stereo types.
      Some "black" blaming a unspecific white colour group of people, white people stero typing saying about all black people. It's like you live in 1940 with all these norms.

    • @sweettae754
      @sweettae754 5 років тому +5

      @@kasperknutsen8283 um..i wouldn't say that but I agree with the person lmao

    • @ThahnG413
      @ThahnG413 5 років тому +1

      @@kasperknutsen8283 nah its one of the best country's

  • @saftheartist6137
    @saftheartist6137 7 місяців тому +1

    “If people were to close their eyes and listen, they would truly see how blinded they have been by their eyes.”
    ~ Ask AI

  • @noway464
    @noway464 5 років тому +1006

    I believe the solution is not to become identity blind, rather it’s to acknowledge , respect, and appreciation our differences.

    • @RootedinClarity
      @RootedinClarity 5 років тому +13

      100 percent agree

    • @yerma6149
      @yerma6149 5 років тому +2

      I agree

    • @squashbanana5146
      @squashbanana5146 5 років тому +20

      So you plan on positive discrimination. Because you're still setting people into seperate groups rather than one species which should be the only valuable category we fall into.

    • @noway464
      @noway464 5 років тому +45

      Unoriginal Name there’s no such thing as positive discrimination.
      Our differences should be something that brings us together. Learning from each other, combining out strengths, and having people from different backgrounds, and different cultures entering our homes, and us entering their homes and celebrating their cultures. Rather that using our differences to divide ourselves.

    • @squashbanana5146
      @squashbanana5146 5 років тому +11

      @@noway464 It doesn't exist, yet you're proposing an idea that is essentially that.

  • @itssellz2645
    @itssellz2645 5 років тому +153

    "What's wrong if we're different?... It's ok. What's wrong if we're the same?... It's ok".
    This hit me

    • @Bbouy1HD
      @Bbouy1HD 5 років тому +5

      Well if we keep talking about race they'll always be divided, that's the underlining factor. Racism will never go away cus in the end its almost just like name calling or teasing (for example I don't like you cus you have red hair), and theyll always be people who don't like black people or white people.

    • @tacticalcrime3431
      @tacticalcrime3431 5 років тому +1

      Dawg I read your comment as he said this. Fucked my head up

  • @180DegreeMason
    @180DegreeMason Рік тому +1

    I just like how everyone hugged and found unity at the end which is the most telling part we should notice. We are more alike than different.

  • @IncredibleIceCastle
    @IncredibleIceCastle 5 років тому +1976

    “Do all Schizophrenic individuals think alike?” Would be an enriching episode.

    • @bookfan22
      @bookfan22 5 років тому +78

      Or "do all those with a mental health diagnosis think the same?"

    • @IncredibleIceCastle
      @IncredibleIceCastle 5 років тому +111

      Nina Cass except that would be a little less interesting, because mental health diagnoses range from mild anxiety to severe multiple concurrent diagnoses of things like DID or bipolar disorder. I think it’s more interesting to here from people with one particular condition. Although some of them would inevitably have additional diagnoses, because schizophrenia tends to coexist with depression, anxiety, and many times personality disorders.

    • @bookfan22
      @bookfan22 5 років тому +21

      @@IncredibleIceCastle I actually didn't think if it that way. I guess they could do two segments - One on schizophrenia and another on mental health/diagnoses. Thank you for your insight. You have a great night.

    • @IncredibleIceCastle
      @IncredibleIceCastle 5 років тому +11

      Nina Cass absolutely! Thanks for commenting.

    • @RealVedicAstrology
      @RealVedicAstrology 5 років тому +2

      LOL Sign me up i'd be in that video

  • @bethany-b2pkfilms792
    @bethany-b2pkfilms792 5 років тому +393

    This is such a good discussion
    Like they all are so respectful and empathetic. I love it

    • @taejo4975
      @taejo4975 5 років тому

      Bethany - B2pk films I’m pretty sure if this is off the camera, it’s a war

  • @mglrs
    @mglrs 5 років тому +244

    you should do a video on this topic but with 3 americans and 3 non-americans, seeing that so many americans mix up ethnicity and nationality and use those terms as one to identify themselves.

  • @wassupbud1232
    @wassupbud1232 3 роки тому +63

    If everyone just treated each other as human beings with decency and respect the world would be a much better place.

  • @casteelsimp3539
    @casteelsimp3539 5 років тому +1931

    The Asian man's hair is another level. He be an anime boy irl

    • @louispride7695
      @louispride7695 5 років тому +2

      Donkoi Hoseok ramneek or the other guy

    • @Mango_41
      @Mango_41 5 років тому +6

      @@louispride7695 Dan (other guy)

    • @Warlock12347
      @Warlock12347 5 років тому +53

      Louis come on I’m sure you have the ability to use common sense..

    • @0MGitsRayRay
      @0MGitsRayRay 5 років тому

      hmm.

    • @grete6533
      @grete6533 5 років тому +1

      Hmm

  • @jacobadams8757
    @jacobadams8757 5 років тому +505

    _"What's the most important part of your identity?"_
    2 words: *club penguin*

    • @joshuasenior4370
      @joshuasenior4370 4 роки тому +5

      Perhaps the best comment I have ever read.

    • @user-yr3uj6go8i
      @user-yr3uj6go8i 4 роки тому +1

      I actually miss Club Penguin badly. :(

    • @Jer_101.5
      @Jer_101.5 4 роки тому

      @@user-yr3uj6go8i same

  • @atsuyak768
    @atsuyak768 5 років тому +2851

    As a non-american everything about America is so racialized it's crazy.

    • @aus-li
      @aus-li 5 років тому +235

      It’s due to propaganda and the media; but even before that, there were many radical organizations in the 60s and 70s.

    • @beyonceschild
      @beyonceschild 5 років тому +392

      Yeah cause unfortunately that's the way the country started out. Laws of racial segregation only ended in the late 60s ... and it still takes a while for it to ware off.
      A good segment of the population was born during and before that time so it's still fresh and ingrained in their heads.

    • @h3llboyyy407
      @h3llboyyy407 5 років тому +79

      ^ yeah but I'd say that it isn't as crazy as the media makes it out to be lol

    • @P0k3D0nd3M4cG
      @P0k3D0nd3M4cG 5 років тому +2

      @@beyonceschild dejure, not defacto

    • @TheFuschiaDragonfly
      @TheFuschiaDragonfly 5 років тому +5

      atsuya k I totally agree with you

  • @OrganicFreedom
    @OrganicFreedom 2 роки тому +35

    “Algorithms help us get into our trenches even deeper encouraging identity politics” So true. The Middle Ground series should be everyone’s home feed.

  • @Bruhhhhhke
    @Bruhhhhhke 5 років тому +743

    Even people who were the “extremes” we still respectful, well articulated, and caring

    • @justanotherweirdo11
      @justanotherweirdo11 5 років тому +55

      That's cause they weren't extremes.

    • @stephenbennett5240
      @stephenbennett5240 5 років тому +42

      None of them were extremes on either sides trust me. Far rights are usually racist and nasty, far leftists are violent and dishonest. They would probably have killed each other at some point

    • @necromax13
      @necromax13 5 років тому +10

      Damani and Xavier weren't extremes, nowhere near it, and you can see it when they talk about pronouns.

    • @samsev
      @samsev 5 років тому

      i think none of these people were actually extreme

    • @cole1396
      @cole1396 5 років тому +3

      Stephen Bennett Well, all leftists are dishonest. Far lefts are violent and manipulative.

  • @LNibal
    @LNibal 5 років тому +456

    The trans man handled the opposing side's comments about the pronouns so well. He was so composed and understanding

    • @crystalpyu
      @crystalpyu 5 років тому +2

      treeko 10k 💀

    • @thumpertx1
      @thumpertx1 5 років тому +35

      One of the few. Most would have popped off and thrown a fit... atleast the ones I know would have... the guy from San Antonio said it best. For a side that champions tolerance and true diversity, they have no willingness to accept what other people think and believe. For them it is either their way, or you are an evil bigot.

    • @crazynats367
      @crazynats367 5 років тому +38

      @treeko 10k stop trolling. You were in other comments commenting the same yo mama jokes, looking like a clown

    • @helmetboy431
      @helmetboy431 5 років тому +8

      treeko 10k I love this😂

    • @10NobodyElse
      @10NobodyElse 5 років тому +7

      treeko 10k I’m genuinely laughing my ass off so loud after reading all these

  • @teenwolf989
    @teenwolf989 5 років тому +1545

    Everyone: "normal haircut"
    Our boi Dan: how about I go as a shounen character?

    • @SirProcsAlot
      @SirProcsAlot 5 років тому +61

      my man only blow dried 1 side of his head

    • @jcosta356
      @jcosta356 4 роки тому +13

      Under Doggg and you’ll never set a trend with hair that looks like you’ve just been through a tornado.

    • @jcosta356
      @jcosta356 4 роки тому +1

      Under Doggg No I completely agree with you but his hair is just bad. 5 years ago no one would have predicted whats in fashion now but my point was that i doubt that trend will catch 🤣

    • @Cheese-Crust
      @Cheese-Crust 4 роки тому +2

      He’s an uchia

    • @Cheese-Crust
      @Cheese-Crust 4 роки тому +1

      Under Doggg do you mean japan in anime

  • @nachoursdez5874
    @nachoursdez5874 3 роки тому +5

    I love when everyone feels confident enough to express their views, especially in a way that's respectful and mindful of other opinions. Don't see enough of this on Middle Ground.

  • @sera.5051
    @sera.5051 3 роки тому +836

    Can you please put this group back together and ask them the same questions again?? Just to see what they would say after 2020! It would be so interesting

    • @cameronjames2284
      @cameronjames2284 3 роки тому +62

      I think their positions would be the same in all honesty...

    • @afkgreg
      @afkgreg 3 роки тому +9

      THIS they all seem very planted in their base, but a new angle on what has happened would be refreshing compared to the democrats vs conservative spitting contests weve gotten this year

    • @jamesbizs
      @jamesbizs 3 роки тому +16

      @@cameronjames2284 an entire year of cities burning down, and dozens of people being killed? I don’t know

    • @kdodoqpqldbfjgklw
      @kdodoqpqldbfjgklw 3 роки тому

      True, my opinions on BLM completly changed after 2020, and my opinion on femenism and privilege in general changed during 2021. I'm now a gay asf libtard 💅😌

    • @munchermuncher7663
      @munchermuncher7663 2 роки тому

      @@kdodoqpqldbfjgklw you do you mate. Respect ya, I'm a gay anti Libtard

  • @Smile-do1jv
    @Smile-do1jv 5 років тому +483

    When that guy was asked what’s your most important identity and he said “human being” that hit in such a good way, were all just humans aren’t we just gotta love each other

    • @Hhhh22222-w
      @Hhhh22222-w 5 років тому +3

      Agree, but Idk if I can agree with Xavier since he clearly rejected his original human body, since he's a transman

    • @leohaho
      @leohaho 5 років тому +24

      Haru Yanto Who cares if he’s trans or not. You shouldn’t disagree with a person just because they’re transgender.

    • @rensbrand5176
      @rensbrand5176 5 років тому +18

      @@Hhhh22222-w Changing your body to your liking has nothing to do with 'rejecting your human body', unless the same would apply to anyone that has: tattoos, braces, lenses any form of surgery etc.

    • @Trexbor17
      @Trexbor17 5 років тому +3

      @@rensbrand5176 Those are not comparable in the least lol

    • @rensbrand5176
      @rensbrand5176 5 років тому +2

      @@Trexbor17 Explain to me how they are not? They all cause a 'permanent' change in your physical appearance.

  • @dicks.and.clicks.6509
    @dicks.and.clicks.6509 5 років тому +1751

    “Human being, I think”
    Alien confirmed

    • @N2Deep00
      @N2Deep00 5 років тому +28

      Don't sell that alien out. He left Mars to live here on Earth

    • @todo870
      @todo870 5 років тому +3

      Dawei Zhao But we would always have conflicts.

    • @todo870
      @todo870 5 років тому +3

      Dawei Zhao I guess, but I don’t want to accept a racist or homophobic person or someone who doesn’t believe ALL law abiding citizens deserve true equality in society, there’s a line that needs to be drawn between right and wrong, and if it comes to war then so be it. It’s a sad part of life.

    • @dicks.and.clicks.6509
      @dicks.and.clicks.6509 5 років тому +1

      ?ガッツ yes I have taste

    • @alvallac2171
      @alvallac2171 5 років тому +1

      Hello, friends. I am a perfectly normal human worm baby. You have nothing, absolutely nothing, to fear from me. Just pay no attention to me and we'll get along just fine.
      And on an unrelated note: in the event of, say, a full-scale alien invasion, how prepared do you think this planet's defenses would be? _Tell me!_

  • @tesshagensieker1700
    @tesshagensieker1700 3 роки тому +8

    This discussion is one of my favorites, everyone was more on the central side rather than pro and anti. I love that because that's where most Americans are at