Rich vs Poor: Is the Economy Rigged? | Middle Ground

[@itsbrunnar]

It would be interesting to watch a self made rich vs inheritance rich

[@icyx9268]

well if thats in the context of basically anyone envolved with this american degeneration tv time series of cbs "make it" then they all got more of a "hand out" than any inheritance kid it was same amount of luck but just much more easy to fulfill those rolls and also only difference is they are cruel unconscious and incompetant and live by sliver narrow illusions and willing to impose there fragile ways on everyone else of which are based off of corrupt structures that enabled them

[@trovestove6886]

So true

[@tammiev3985]

YESS

[@christianbeach8192]

There’s no such thing as self made rich

[@itsbrunnar]

@@christianbeach8192 not a fact

[@marcello7781]

Some people might lose everything out of their poor choices, but blaming general poverty on people "laziness" is a naive statement that doesn't take in consideration multiple external factors that played a role in the process.

[@IrenaLemo]

Like what?

[@SJ-ru4ej]

I agree with you that it's not laziness in ALL cases, but there are also some people that just don't want to work and live off of the system. Take universal basic income, for example. People who don't want to work will only be more motivated to not do so and live off of taxpayers who DO go to work.

[@surfhappens202]

@@SJ-ru4ej Again, still generalizing.

[@s.augustsmith1096]

@SJ the vast majority of people in poverty are not like this. This is a stereotype the wealthy and powerful made to make it easier to ignore and not help our citizens in poverty. It's also rooted in racism- the "welfare queen" is a stereotype specifically of a "lazy black woman playing the system"

[@Iturrisoga]

@@surfhappens202 He said some

[@lurkzie]

The woman with the gambling addiction who thinks making more money would solve her problems is completely delusional... giving her more money would be like dumping gasoline on a house fire

[@dennis7ckrii343]

More specifically, it would be like dumping $60.000 on a fire

[@TheJackCain-84]

Our economy struggling with uncertainties, housing issues, foreclosures, global fluctuations, and pandemic aftermath, causing instability. Rising inflation, sluggish growth, and trade disruptions need urgent attention from all sectors to restore stability and stimulate growth.

[@kevinmarten]

In particular, amid inflation, investors should exercise caution when it comes to their exposure and new purchases. It is only feasible to get such high yields during a recession with the guidance of a qualified specialist or reliable counsel.

[@Jamessmith-12]

True, initially I wasn't quite impressed with my gains, opposed to my previous performances, I was doing so badly, figured I needed to diverssify into better assets, I touched base with a portfolio-advisor and that same year, I pulled a net gain of 550k...that's like 7times more than I average on my own.

[@JacquelinePerrira]

This aligns perfectly with my desire to organize my finances prior to retirement. Could you provide me with access to your advisor?

[@Jamessmith-12]

Carol Vivian Constable is the licensed fiduciary I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment..

[@JacquelinePerrira]

She appears to be well-educated and well-read. I ran an online search on her name and came across her website; thank you for sharing.

[@a.c.9378]

It makes me really sad that nobody even mentioned the poverty cycle. This issue definitely needs to be discussed more, preferably with people who are experts on poverty & the economy

[@maybeitsasecret]

I agree. I love these middle ground episodes but lately I've been thinking they should definitely reformat to include actual experts for some topics or start another series, especially since this channel has almost 7 million subs now..

[@notwelcome2452]

This is not about experts it's about what people experience and think
It would ruin the whole premise of the show

[@joannajackson5884]

Definitely i wonder how jubilee goes about casting these videos

[@joannajackson5884]

Im down for a rich and poor middle ground series… like at least a part 2

[@SkillzKillzBR]

Why would you put an expert on Jubilee when you can put on a nonsensical addict?

[@jennyhammond9261]

What people forget is that the poor literally can't save money to invest in something, go to school, etc. They're just trying to survive the DAY. I was taking the city bus for a while and would buy the monthly pass, because it's cheaper than paying for a single ride each time. I didn't understand why everyone wasn't just buying the monthly pass. It hit me that they will never be able to save the $50 at once for the pass because they're just trying to scramble enough quarters for today's fare and for something to eat.

[@LisaD-fy8xy]

THIS! Also ironically how the world makes more money off poor people in the long run, than off those who can afford the monthly pass etc.

[@tishaparker9869]

Exactly. I was one of many people that was lucky to get a bus pass that was at the student rate. But paying $44 a month can easily be groceries for somebody. But a lot of people also don't know is that if you are on assistance they can give you a monthly bus pass.

[@tishaparker9869]

I was also just thinking it cost $3 to ride the bus for a day. Let's just say somebody rode the bus 25 days out of the month. That is $75 that they have paid to ride the bus for a month when a monthly pass is $44. But to someone that is making money stretch that's all they can do.

[@amberfirexx9]

I had similar views for a long time until I worked for Disney and my eyes were opened big time. I had coworkers with disabilities and coworkers who hardly spoke English and they had families at home and kids to feed. Like you said, they didn't have the time and money, or sometimes physical ability, to go to school or work harder to get a better job. For some people, minimum wage job are it. they are the only jobs they are going to be able to do. and youre telling me those people don't deserve to make a living wage? or that should be temporary and they need to move on to something better?

[@ziyanbaloch8225]

@Delores B Bro I lost money on stocks

[@anthonyproffitt5341]

Addiction doesn’t disappear because you win a decent pot of cash.

[@Mahogui.]

That's interesting. We need to see more discussions of this.

[@miaomiaou_]

Exactly. You end up just trying to get more. She needs professional advice.

[@eclipsedbtc]

she was the worst in this episode so delusional

[@shannonblack1394]

@@eclipsedbtc she was great cause she isn't alone.. viewing her opinion shows how other people in society deal with their lives that don't deal with life like us.. she needs professional consultation, so that is the one thing that stood out is that almost everyone around that circle saw the answer to that question for what it was.. it was lack of self awareness.. regardless if you agreed with free market / marxist views, everyone saw that she needed help and likely no matter what life dealt her if she ends up making the same choices she end up in the same position..

[@justanotherrandomguyonthei3212]

@@shannonblack1394 she is this way because her own choices no one is born an addict if someone an addict they dont deserve our sympathy. if they are actively trying to change then that person is admirable and should be supported that woman isnt a victim she is doing it to herself

[@gingerkilkus]

I wish i learnt most of these principles about sixteen years ago. A lot of people have been trapped strongly in the matrix-- Go to school, get a job, and then slave your whole life. Many miss out on life-changing information that could have great effect on their finances. I played with the stock market sometime in 2020, and I was surprised at how well it turned out. I want to put in $290k more into the market. I heard people are making really great returns despite the downturn. Any recommendations?

[@leojack9090]

There are actually a lot of ways to make high yields in a crisis, but such trades are best done under the supervision of Financial advisor.

[@hasede-lg9hj]

In my opinion, it was much easier investing back in the 80s but it’s a lot trickier now, those making consistent profit in these times are professionals reason I’ve been using an advisor for the past 5 years to consistently build my portfolio in preparations for retirement.

[@lowcostfresh2266]

How can one find a verifiable financial planner? I would not mind looking up the professional that helped you. I will be retiring in two years and I might need some management on my much larger portfolio. Don't want to take any chances.

[@hasede-lg9hj]

I won't pretend to know everything, though. Her name is Annette Marie Holt but I won't say anything more. Most likely, you can find her basic information online; you are welcome to do further study.

[@fadhshf]

I just looked her up on the web and I would say she really has an impressive background in investing. I will write her an email shortly.

[@Yunhomatata]

This episode was tense. Normally at the end everyone hugs each other but this time they didn’t say a word lol

[@kirderf7222]

i would not say a word too more then casual goodbye.

[@DavidNunezPNW]

Exactly but also COVID

[@davidnishikawa2293]

Class has always been the real divider.

[@RockinLoud360]

Wonder if the rich guy ever reached out to the mother at the end

[@ToddBaldwin]

@@RockinLoud360 I did :)

[@Pablo-ix3xf]

The first girl that assumed everyone has access to facebook really lost me, imagine living in so much privilege that you think having a phone and internet is a given

[@roscoeswetsuit1218]

ikr. Even if you go to the library, assuming you don't need a home address for a library card, you only get 30mins a day

[@Pablo-ix3xf]

@@roscoeswetsuit1218 true but first you need to know about those opportunities, if youre homeless and dont have a phone, you probably dont even know whats at reach on the internet

[@hokkaidoosaka4881]

Exactly lmao I got wifi this year!!

[@zorinize9881]

nah fr her answer kind of annoyed me

[@boku955]

I do agree with that, but at the same time, I feel like at least where I live, you can access the free internet at cafes. Also, these people are "poor" not homeless. (one was ik) But people with a house can probably save up to get a phone eventually and access it. But I do agree with what you are saying.

[@zacharyglass6886]

If you closed your eyes and listend to each person talk about their view of the world, you can probably tell who is successful and who isnt with fairly high accuracy.

[@noyaislilith333.4]

THIS

[@OlabodeAdedoyin]

Underrated comment

[@riptyurass302]

To be fair though, I thought that the arguments that billionaires shouldn't exist was pretty bad. If you put a cap on success you won't get successful people. Every single billionaire that exists contributes to society and the economy significantly more than any regular person, including giving jobs to thousands or even millions of people that would otherwise not have jobs. In that way, they give back to society even without government intervention.

[@kstar1489]

@@riptyurass302billionaires reap the benefits of other people’s work. If that money was distributed more equally among those that actually create the wealth it wouldn’t change “success” or the amount of jobs. The only thing it changes is making the workers less exploited and less poor. The idea that the actual workers only deserves scraps is a fundamental misunderstanding of how society and the economy works.

[@riptyurass302]

​@@kstar1489 But they are paying you to do the work, they are supplying all the equipment to make the product, the marketing to sell the product, paying for all the distribution fees and other taxes, they even pay for workers comp if you get hurt while you are doing the work they are paying you to do, you are paid for your labor in making the product, that you agreed to.
If everyone was a shareholder of the thing they built, and didn't get paid for their labor, not only would you have less overall innovative business ideas, but if a product was just not profitable the workers that you hire would not be paid. And what happens if they're operating at a loss? Do the workers get a negative pay check?
If you want to be paid for your labor, you either self employ and contract your labor out to a company or you start your own business. By being employed under someone else, you agree to be paid for the work you do and they are responsible for paying your fixed salary, regardless if they make a profit or not.

[@DearAliya]

It is definitely a glossed over fact that many huge corporations and rich celebrities DO in fact take advantage of cheap labour in under-developed countries to further expand their wealth. And to say "Well, at least they have a job even though the pay is disgustingly low" is insane.

[@MankindDiary]

"Give me 60k and I'll stop gambling"
Like dude, that's not how addiction works. She would gamble away the entire 60k in a day.

[@KO.Power1]

exactly

[@ROVideos]

Facts.

[@famus801]

Exactly its like the black girl said, A mindset and without changing that first youll never get ahead

[@roman2164]

You speak the true true

[@Coonazz791]

I was thinking the same thing. I used to be a dealer in a casino and have seen rich and poor gamble away every last cent. She’s admitted to having a substance and gambling addiction yet she thinks that will all magically go away with more money. There are plenty of free programs that are out there to help with addiction, if she isn’t even starting there, then she’ll never get anywhere. Having a substance addiction is likely already preventing her from getting a better job, so unless she makes the choice to start to better herself, she will always be poor and have those unchecked addictions.

[@emilykramer420]

I wish they would have touched on health related issues causing poverty as well. My mom is very sick and lives with major illnesses which makes it extremely difficult for her to work. Getting disability is actually a lot harder than people think. I'm 17 and have been working different jobs to support my mom. As it can be a choice, there are many factors that can contribute to why somebody is unable to fully work and support themselves.

[@alexlewis8143]

My mom works for disability lawyer he doesn't get paid unless social security pays out. Look into a lawyer.

[@tigerguy529]

Yeah, and also poverty causing health problems which cause poverty. If you can't pay for medicine/treatment, you miss out on opportunities to make money, and could even end up with permanent disabilities and chronic illness that are even harder to overcome, specifically because you're already poor.

[@ToddBaldwin]

I agree 100%. My mother in law has a brain tumor and hasn't been able to work for 30 years.

[@Lmaohavefun]

Yeah. Sometimes life can happen to some people and that's not a choice. There are truly a lot of factors that can lead to poverty or wealth. But when you're down, it doesn't get much worse than that. Just don't give up. It's not easy, but just don't.

[@Yass.otb208]

what’s your cashapp

[@CameronFussner]

These are very valuable rules for anybody who wants to get rich. Unfortunately, most people who will watch this video will not really be able to apply the principles. We may not want to admit, but as Warren Buffett once said, investing is like any other profession-- it requires a certain level of expertise. No surprise that some people are losing a lot of money in the bear market, while others are making hundreds of thousands in profit. I just don't know how they do it. I have about $89k now to put in the market.

[@Bellaelena549]

Although stocks are now rather volatile, you should be okay if you perform the proper calculations. There have been stories of people making over $250,000 in a matter of weeks or months, according to Bloomberg and other finance media, so if you know where to look, I believe there are many wealth transfers during this recession.

[@williamDonaldson432]

The best course of action if you lack market knowledge is to ask a consultant or investing coach for guidance or assistance. Speaking with a consultant helped me stay afloat in the market and grow my portfolio to about 65% since January, even though I know it sounds obvious or generic. I believe that’s the most effective way to enter the business at the moment.

[@foreverlaura-fq4eu]

@@williamDonaldson432 my partner’s been considering going the same route, could you share more info please on the advisor that guides you.

[@williamDonaldson432]

I won't pretend to know everything, though. Her name is Annette Marie Holt but I won't say anything more. Most likely, you can find her basic information online; you are welcome to do further study.

[@BernardFrederick-tk7un]

@@williamDonaldson432 Thank you for this tip. It was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her résumé.

[@Rooseveltcalhoun]

They should do a Rich Vs Middle class just so the rich people can see that even 60-80k a year isn’t even enough in todays economy

[@helloh5372]

And also that middle and low incomes cannot use loopholes to avoid taxes. Just working hard does not make you rich and not everybody can be an invester. Who will bring you food, built your house or take care of you in the hospital. Work that is most needed in society isn't nearly paid well enough.

[@taramarielee2904]

I think the statement that "we all have choices, but we don't all have the same choices" was such an important point. Some people have to choose between investing in housing or food, while others choose between investing in a rental property or in the stock market. You can't invest in things to "get ahead" if you're constantly having to choose which need to fulfill.

[@bangtwicesib4281]

Amazing point

[@Katia.Espinosa98]

Thank you for this comment ! This is exactly IT !!

[@karenmaher2092]

The people that were successful came from poverty, they made choices that they were not going to stay there. They did it

[@taramarielee2904]

@@karenmaher2092 My point still stands. The poor people weren’t necessarily given the same choices as the wealthy people. We don’t know every choice each person made, or every option each person was given, to put them in the places they are today. Thinking that poor people could just be wealthy if they “made better choices” is just silly. Especially in today’s economy.

[@karenmaher2092]

@@taramarielee2904 those same people on the other side made different choices, they were poor too. They won't necessarily

[@karsonlusi]

"being poor is a choice" sounds like something that bank robbers would say in their prep talk

[@the_gratefulgamer]

Or the wealthy elite, who cheat the system to put their children in the best colleges. Not for the sake of their education. But just so their kids can party in college.

[@aparna5868]

😂😂

[@GoogleAccount00]

😂😂😂 it’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard

[@DefineMorena]

🤣🤣🤣

[@n1c704]

@@the_gratefulgamer people wanting student loans forgiven are morally no different than elites wanting government bailouts

[@TheSiGuy]

This should really be revisited with more prompts. Would love for this discussion to go deeper.

[@eloelo6944]

How? It's just pure ignorance and that's that. If you are rich and poor is determined by who your parents were, your genetics and where and when you grew up. That's that. The gap between the rich and poor is growing and most branches have ridiculous monopolies already established making it impossible for small businesses to flourish

[@Smoovemovetony]

The addiction girl said “I don’t have a laptop and camera to start my UA-cam channel” cause your literally spending your money on weed vapes and etc instead of using it to buy what will make u more money this is ridiculous and you not supposed to want to survive of minimum wage people need to lower there lifestyle instead of buying what they can’t afford that’s victim mindset

[@kofikofi2403]

i think rich people always forget that people need reasons to live. you can’t just work,work,work and save money and disregard everything else for the instability of one day becoming a millionaire or a billionaire. people need something that makes them happy and if they’re living paycheck to paycheck and happen to have a small amount of money left, they should be able to indulge in that without the fear that they could be homeless next week.

[@claudiax233]

Perfectly said. People have a very oversimplified view of these kinds of issues, it’s not easy to get out of poverty.

[@angeleyes3386]

It’s about sacrifice imo. I’m a single mother with no assistance for family, friends or the government or the father. I was able to sacrifice for a period of time and live below my means to invest in one rental property that turned into two, three and will continue. I don’t have to be a millionaire or billionaire; I can sacrifice buying things and find joy in building my future, raising my son, or doing art or sing (things I enjoy) so that one day I will be wealthy enough to retire from active work, travel, and give my children resources to build upon. Where there is a will and determination, one will find a way.

[@purplehawk2271]

That’s fine, just don’t complain about being poor when you weren’t willing to make the sacrifice to eventually become rich.

[@HishighnessMrL]

Then they need to create a reason to live themselves.

[@SpidermanUndercover]

@@purplehawk2271 In this case it still isn’t the person’s fault. They should be getting paid enough to not have to work everyday and maybe even afford to go on a vacation.

[@mofire5674]

Rich people who were once poor seem to often have incredibly blinding survivorship bias.

[@jhxcczs]

That’s an interesting term, I didn’t know how to put it in words but that’s exactly what it is: survivorship bias.

[@mofire5674]

@@jhxcczs Yup. Effectively because they succeeded they think it's the same for everyone else, when they fail to realize how many people have put in the same effort and work that they have yet haven't succeeded.

[@winstonfan6763]

@@mofire5674 theres a small chapter on this term in the book:The Art of Thinking Clearly-Rolf Dobelli

[@peternguyen3645]

@@mofire5674 effort doesn’t mean the success is going to equal. Someone who is born with better talents at singing might not put so much effort into it like an average Joe to succeed

[@user-yz7ux1qj1v]

i agree.....doesnt mean that if you made it, that others should be at your level with the same effort. the circumstances are always different.

[@celeelaroque389]

I think that the point David was making toward the beginning was that labor theft exists HEAVILY in billionaires and multi-millionaires. You cannot realistically work enough hours and perform enough labor individually in a company to earn billions, that profit is derived from the thousands of underpaid workers that facilitate those processes and products. Wealth hoarding is ridiculous in this country given that our capitalist society favors these major corporations where the CEO rakes in millions, if not billions, off of the minimum to mid wage employees who made it happen. I don't believe that all rich people are bad, but ethically and morally, billionaires should not exist.

[@obamascrocs]

Hanifah's story broke me. Brittany comforting her was probably the best thing I've seen. the disagreed with each other but they're still there for each other

[@alyssailiff545]

What got me “I go into a job and work as hard as I can to get a promotion” I have done this at every job I’ve ever had been working since I was 16. All that has gotten me is minimum wage with higher expectations and picking up the slack of those who do minimum work.

[@nickn753]

I've done this as well since I was 13, and it has resulted in a promotion at every single job I've had. Although I do have to say that I had to communicate that I wanted to be promoted, to which I got the reaction that I had to show that I was capable, which I then did. Has never not worked for me in 12 years of working and 4 different jobs.

[@MBrulla]

This is where the concept of risk comes in.
You work hard as you can. You excel and become truly valuable to the company. You tell them you want to get more responsibility...and they say no. Your next choice determines whether you are going to succeed or fail. When you let someone know that your behavior won't change regardless of what they do you remove all power you once had.
Reward rarely comes without risk. They won't give you opportunity? Find someone who will and quit. People often stay within a company or position because it's comfortable and familiar, even if it's a terrible job/company. If you don't want to quit, get an offer and bring that to the table to negotiate more responsibility/salary.
But you need to be very honest about your performance and how it compares to others. None of this is applicable if you do your best but aren't well above average.

[@nickn753]

@@MBrulla I couldn't agree more. Perfectly explained 👍

[@MBrulla]

@@nickn753 Thanks. This isn't limited to jobs, either. Universal concept, whether it's work, relationships...all applicable.

[@justrandom702]

@@nickn753 thats great, ur a minority

[@Arnelle_Art]

At my very first job after high school I was told by the hiring manager that if she knew that I was going to college two months after I was hired she wouldn’t have hired me. And I applied for Walgreens while I was in college and did not get that job because the hiring manager said that he knew that once I graduated I would quit for a better position. So if these minimum wage jobs are temporary, then somebody needs to tell these minimum wage jobs that. Because they are hiring people with the expectation that they will stay for the long-haul

[@quackquack2436]

this.

[@dragonlord1225]

I have a job in food delivery. They hire everybody but you get payed per delivery. So I can just choose how long I want to work and continue working part time while finding another job. It is a temporary solution though.

[@gisar.6539]

@@dragonlord1225 i'm in the same boat as you here in the UK - it's honestly the best job that you can get as a student - as the amount of money you get is proportional to the effort in which you put in and you have such flexible working hours

[@1Raunchy]

Very much this

[@chupapibingbong]

If you own a business and expect to change your employees every time, you are not worthy of owning a business and should probably work as a cashier for the rest of your life.

[@Lee-px4pk]

There is a lot of entitlement here, laziness and victim mentality. I'm not rich because I'm not driven not because of any system. Take accountability.

[@tonyisnotdead]

oh yes, im sure that you aren't rich only due to not being driven

[@XenoXvi]

True, but as someone who thinks logically. Circumstances do play a role. Imagine you have to take care of your family at a young age when everyone else go to school. There are people out there who doesn't choose to stay poor.

[@LeaflyLane]

To say that someone's life is a lie because you didn't live through it yourself is kind of retarded😂

[@Lee-px4pk]

I'm not saying that circumstances don't play a role, majority of people are not rich, their is an element of luck when it comes to wealth, circumstances, place of birth etc etc. My point isnt that these things don't exist or doesn't play a role, it's more that I will not blame a system for my lack of wealth unless that system is oppressive and removing my ability to enhance my circumstances. I don't believe this is the case in America and in most of the western world.

[@Necroscat]

Do you think that EVERYONE can make $10 Million a Year at the SAME TIME?
Someone has to be on top & someone needs to be on bottom. And for a guy making $10 Million a Year a big number of people need to be on bottom to make that happen...

[@michaelmuse5308]

He earned that 10million! Working 100x as hard as you! Why don't you work 800 hours a day??

[@sophiar3247]

hanifa is really admirable. living homeless, having such trauma, having to flee her home and family. i really hope she gets stability in all forms, and just has a nice life in general.

[@indietof]

yeah, but she also claimed Islam to be a cult and promotes pedophilia. That is like saying 1.8 billion people are pedos....

[@Sally615-]

@@indietof im muslim and its just the villagers are crazy

[@rabbit716]

@@indietof The fact that you say that, in spite of everything she went through, shows me that there must be something “cult” like about all of these religions. This is not a time to defend Islam. This is a time to be a compassionate human being and simply wish her a nice life and stability. That’s it. No “buts”. I have a feeling she will be just fine…

[@lettuce258]

@@indietof she said an “Islamic cult” that could have been the Nation of Islam who aren’t even truly Muslims since they believe Allah is multiple gods (or something like that idk they’re batshit crazy)

[@lailayas]

@@indietof omg time stamp? I can’t find it

[@KRUSTYskates]

I feel like the tension in this episode derived mostly from the rich defending their wealth while the poor were exposing a system that keeps the poor, poor. The rich people felt they had to justify their success by basically saying anyone can do it too but disregarded or didnt mention privilege, luck, or advantages they may have had because then it would’ve proven the poor peoples argument true

[@ling636]

They are poor cuz they don’t invest in skills that pay them enough. Aka their choice

[@cpetrizzi]

Three of the 4 "poor" people are poor mainly by choice. The Disney guy actually admitted it because he said he never wants to be rich while "knowing the rules of the game" (doubtful) and citing Marxist economy theory incorrectly. The only truly poor person who I felt bad for was the Islamic woman. However, she seemed intelligent enough to be able to hold a job and get herself out of that mindset, too.

[@laloawesomehc]

They talked about the privilege they have being able to exploit the tax system because of the knowledge that they got and they talked about taking risks there for luck on investments and properties

[@DavidNunezPNW]

@@cpetrizzi why to completely miss represent my position lol

[@NeicyMichelle]

I think it’s because of their idea that “i was born into poverty and THIS is how I got out.” And i totally get that because I’m currently in that position. The rich acknowledged that the system is flawed but they used that to their advantage to get where they were. The poor (in this case) were fighting to prove that the system is flawed, but also aren’t willing to use that to their advantage the way the poor did.

[@MarajMoonChild]

I know I'm a few years late watching this, but I really would love an update on Hanifah. I see that she is an author, I would love to know her story and I hope that she continues to perservere. The brief of her life that she revealed here is so inspiring and when she started crying, I started crying. I'm rooting for her! I pray all is well with her now! ❤️

[@thaohuynh7800]

Same! I'm trying to see if I could reach out to her. Anyone have any idea how to contact her?

[@ramoduff9399]

In this Jubilee episode, it tells me that no matter if you are rich or poor, everybody has their own personal trauma and struggle.

[@noahw1229]

The movie Parasite is a perfect example of this. Even if you work a job that pays and you’re poor, it’s still not enough for one to break free from that lifestyle of labour or get anywhere. The cycle of rich continues while the cycle of being poor does too.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

That doesn't explain the poor people who end up becoming rich.

[@noahw1229]

@@jeremiahnoar7504 you hear about the people who become rich from being poor because it’s not very common. We think it is. But there’s a lot more poor people in the world who stay poor than the very small percents of people who do and end up making headlines because of it.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

@@noahw1229 sure but the issue with your post was the last sentence about the cycle of being poor is inevitable. I don’t think the number of people who go from rich to poor really matters so long as people clearly have the opportunity to get out of poverty.
It’s like breaking the once thought impossible 4 minute mile. It doesn’t matter how many people have broken the record. What matters is that enough people have done it to show that it’s clearly possible.

[@aaaaacdhhllmnnv]

@@jeremiahnoar7504 enough people, what a joke, the percentage of those people is too low my dude.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

@@aaaaacdhhllmnnv the percentage of those people are too low? Compared to what exactly? More people have made it from poverty to upper class in the last 100 years faster than they have in the last 1000s of years. The poor in America today have more access than kings in the 1600s. Yes, in an ideal world poverty doesn't exist and everyone swims in a Scrooge McDuck gold swimming pool but our world is far from ideal, but it's also far, very far, from what it was even decades ago.

[@lassmallieber7569]

Therapy being too expensive was a very important point and I think mental health wasn't discussed enough. I believe that making bad life choices often derives from trauma, escapism, hopelessness. Poverty very much amplifies these factors. Selfmade rich people basically argue that they were determined and managed to pick themselves up so they deserve everything that comes to them nd they do. But the flipside is that people who are paralyzed because of mental health issued that are often seen as just being lazy don't deserve anything. And that's sooo fucked up. I do not believe that weak people should be left behind because they're weak. We as a society have come far enough to overcome natural selection and instead help everybody to lead a happy life without worrying about literal survival.
Sorry for the rant

[@JaniceIche]

You are right. It's ableism.

[@TeddyHeartSweet]

THIS!!!!!

[@pox1396]

Actually natural selection made us this far, our ancestors, who cooperated and lived in groups survived and those who went by them selves didnt. Helping each other is in our nature.

[@Hannahtehbanana]

This is so important. Through Canada’s healthcare system I can be given help from a social worker or psychiatrist for free with the permission of my doctor but if I wanted to find a psychologist I mesh well with and can receive CBT help from, I have to pay upwards of six thousand dollars a year for bi-weekly appointments. That doesn’t even bring up the fact that testing for things such as ADHD average at $3000 per test.
The mental health crisis in North America is getting worse by the day, especially now with the ever-increasing effects of climate change, the worsening of the pandemic and the increase in the housing market (specifically in Canada, I’m not sure about the US). A lot of young adults are stuck living with their families, which in some cases are extremely toxic and unhealthy environments, worsening any state of initial joy, motivation etc.
Big changes need to be made, and there’s little hope left in me that it will get better, but a part of me still hopes it does.

[@dianvarughese3556]

No you are exactly right. With the funds it takes to overpolice low-income neighborhoods we could literally be giving accessible cheap therapy that could lower homelessness

[@tdotvy4579]

Poor people are just hating. Once they’ve made their first million, then they would understand. I guarantee none of those poor people ever donated anything in their entire lives.

[@mlrd2687]

I donated a kidney. I wonder what you donated compared to that...

[@tdotvy4579]

@@mlrd2687 money for schools in third world countries.

[@freestyleskyline]

Ahahaha the record labels absolutely exploit TONS of artists. Stop lying

[@zehavao9031]

Can we get this conversation but with people in a middle-class position vs those who are rich? I feel like it would be a very interesting conversation and a lot more nuanced with people in the “in between”

[@zeuz4218]

Middle class doesn’t even exist anymore. It’s either rich or poor

[@sophiaince9582]

@@zeuz4218 It does exist cus I’m not rich nor am I poor sooo I’m not gonna call myself rich when I’m not

[@jancapetanopulos]

one of the "rich" guests made $100k a year. That's middle class.

[@zeuz4218]

@@sophiaince9582 I’m in between as well but I can’t afford to BUY a condo in luxury area or 100k car. There’s a certain line bw rich and poor.

[@Renee302976]

I agree

[@BeautyCharmer1120]

“Do you think some people don’t have the same access to choice?” Yes. That is exactly the issue here.
Because we live in a market society, the access to goods, education, healthcare, well-paying sustainable jobs, proper nutrition etc, is far more difficult for those who are poor. People should not have to choose between sending your child to school or feeding your family.

[@baeseulgi1742]

they should not have to but unfortunately you have to

[@disciplewill7696]

Don't have children then, plan ahead, and once you've saved enough money then have a family.

[@wellfuckit9936]

@@IIII...... my mom had that plan then my dad died so stfu

[@DavidNunezPNW]

Well said

[@TheMrMacintosh]

@@IIII...... Bro are you insane? First of all, I think it's laughable that you think middle class people can survive on a single income. But secondly, let's not forget that these people who aren't middle class do jobs that NEED to be done. Some people have to work in a grocery store or have to clean toilets in order for society to function, you realize that right? So all of these people who do necessary work are now just forbidden from having kids? Not only is that fucked up but if that really happened the population and the economy would absolutely CRASH. The economy's job is not only to provide production but also to provide REPRODUCTION so there is a steady supply of labor.
Go study some econ 101, you buffoon.

[@asumi_channn961]

the way my jaw dropped when the rich ppl came forward when they asked if they worried about when their next meal would come (But then I realized that they were talking about have they EVER. Not that they're worring about it now)

[@aceaceaceaceace]

lol I’m Muslim and marriages are never forced in our religion “the arranged marriages only happen when the feelings are mutual from both parties” people like Hanifa making us look bad. And it’s always poor people trying to out struggle you🤦🏽‍♂️

[@r3n0wn1]

I just wish the rich people understood that "being willing to do a job" isn't because we WANT to do it, it's because there's literally no other options and the people in control of how much we get paid know it, so they choose to not pay us more.

[@ThaKodiakkiller]

If there are no options shouldn't they be grateful for the only option available even if it's not ideal?

[@ChocPrynce]

@@ThaKodiakkiller no. We don't champion being grateful for scraps. We champion demanding a better system.

[@CalandreaHall]

@@ChocPrynce exactly!!!

[@Iksvomid]

No one wants to work, not even rich people.

[@grremmy]

@@Iksvomid not true at all. Having seen many interviews and talks for wealthy people, they love to work. Most could easily retire early and just go chill at a beach, they don't. They like creating value at work.

[@lovelylaola]

The 'poverty is a choice' topic really hit home for me because I had to write an essay about if poverty is a choice in school. Being underage means that if my guardian is struggling with money, i struggle as well. At my age, being poor (which i am) isn't my choice at all, it's been thrown upon me. My parents have worked and ARE working their butts off for the past 3 years to get out of this poverty cycle but there are many factors blocking them from succeeding. Basically the point of what I'm saying is that being in poverty isn't a choice at first, it is your choice to try and get out of that cycle and some people do try their hardest but just don't succeed. The people on the 'rich' side think that if you grind,grind,grind you'll get money and succeed and that's not the case because life isn't a straight line. You don't just grind ------> then get rich because there are so many elements that prevent you from reaching that wealth and we've been convinced that grind=success and that's just not true in so many cases.

[@gothicgolem2947]

one of them is like having the buissness brain that lots of these billionaires have

[@alsetagholston2166]

The hardest working people out there are the working poor. Plenty of rich people who barely do anything but have money. Definitely, we can say hard work does not necessarily always equal success. That is one of the biggest lies of the so-called "America dream" that has ever been told

[@cjcastro7589]

Your parents should’ve taken a Facebook course 💀💀

[@lovelylaola]

@@cjcastro7589 ???. i don't understand nor know what that is.

[@cjcastro7589]

@@lovelylaola neither do I when she said Facebook courses I had no idea what that was or if they even make people rich

[@PrakshiDudeja]

All the people representing the poor side still keep on mentioning money is the solution their problems or lack of money is the reason for misery, and yet sitting there defending poverty

[@frug9236]

It’s so obvious how the law shelters rich people from real effort, and you can observe it in the way they conflate legality and goodness.

[@mmgs1148]

And like... The risk of investment only applies to the poor trying to get out of poverty. We see banks crashing economy in US, starting worldwide crisis' even and did they suffer any consequences of their risks like some poor loose all they have? No, banks are sheltered. So thats also it. And the rich often do have employees that think for them and invest

[@JamesSmith-lt3vk]

@@mmgs1148there’s a significant difference between rich and elite. Half of the panel on the show is considered rich but none of them are involved in banks or monetary policy creation. The “poor” people on the panel have the exact same opportunities available to them as these “rich” people. The poor people said it themselves that they are actively choosing to hold onto their vices and blame society for their shortcomings.

[@eri7411]

I don’t think these people understand how hard it is to get recognized for your talent. There are millions and millions of singers, artists, dancers, filmmakers, etc., out there who have yet to be discovered. And it’s often because they don’t have that built in wealth other celebrities have- I’ve been writing music almost my entire life, and I’ve been recognized for my talents yet still have no opportunities to sell my work because I can’t afford to produce it. There are so many factors that play into income.

[@kayrealist9793]

You right. And sometimes it's simply because the artists music just sucks and the markets are glossing over them.

[@Euphoryaaa]

Damn it must suck seeing the Island Boys making millions while you with talent have yet to be recognized

[@SpidermanUndercover]

Exactly. I just watched a video titled “why all your favorite celebrities have rich parents” and it talked about how Hollywood doesn’t even care to find actual talent these days. They just cast people who are born out of nepotism.

[@NickVetter]

There is lots of talented people and it's a risk to spend your money to make it in the music industry but if it does work out you can become very wealthy. It's just like how people invest in other things.

[@JohnDoe-rg4tl]

that's because talent is not the only thing that gets you to the top. The things you listed are the extreme exception. Most millionaires dont become millionaires that way.

[@zarzarbinks924]

I feel so bad for Hanifah and hope she can move past all the trauma

[@DavidNunezPNW]

She's so amazing and an author you should get her book!

[@DefineMorena]

@@DavidNunezPNW What's the name of her book? I tried to look for it but couldn't find it.

[@wutare6643]

she essentially labeled Islam as a cult, not to disregard her trauma, she may have come from a place where a cult was disguised as Islam, however when you have a platform you also have the responsibility to not spread blatant lies/ be clear about exactly what you are saying- because if I were someone who did not have any knloadge about Islam I would very well assume that it was a clut

[@Dub.wub121]

@@wutare6643 exactly my thoughts, just judging by her accent I think she literally grew up in America. So I doubt her story of running away from wherever in Africa and coming to America alone. She probably wasn't. Something just doesn't add up.

[@bobdathang3229]

@@Dub.wub121 People can copy accents

[@danielgantner9854]

I found it interesting that two individuals initially stated that being rich is not a choice, yet later admitted to gambling their money and smoking weed. This highlights the issue of making excuses. Instead of working towards improving their situation, some people, like one of the individuals working at Disney World, choose to hate.

[@Japanimal1992]

One huge difference between the rich and poor contestants that immediately stood out to me was that it was essentially educated vs. uneducated (and naive).
The poor contestants had very strong opinions that were wildly inaccurate about nearly everything they said.

[@applesaus395]

Yep. Pretty crazy to see so many comments supporting them when they were saying some of the most insane and uneducated ramblings I’ve ever heard. Coming from a guy who works minimum wage.

[@IM-qy7mf]

What the "poor contestants" said was mostly rooted in academically vetted literature. David even paraphrased Marx throughout the exchange. It's clear to me that you, and the rich contestants are the ones who had strong, inaccurate, opinions about the topics they discussed. Almost like saying water is wet after all, because no educated person would be gauche, and imbecilic, enough to even suggest that poverty is (mainly) a choice.

[@IM-qy7mf]

@@applesaus395 Working minimum wage does not suddenly make your opinons more credible, and it turns out that you're grossly ignorant despite working minimum wage. Most of what they said is academic literature that's freely available to all.

[@applesaus395]

@@IM-qy7mf Seriously? First of all I barely remember this video and still remember an example of them being grossly wrong, and getting rightfully bashed for it in the video. Rewatch the section on the music industry wherever that may be.

[@RubberDuckKid]

One big thing people don't often think about is that rich people can essentially buy time. Poor folks might have to work two+ jobs just to pay rent and eat and they don't have any extra time (not to mention energy) after that to do much else. For example, if there were two musicians, one rich one poor, the rich one is a lot more likely to make it big--not by lack of talent for the other, but because they had the time to practice every day, and probably started practicing earlier in their life since they could afford equipment sooner.

[@baeseulgi1742]

then make sacrifices and create time for yourself

[@msolovely623]

So true. Really well said.

[@ewbrainwormies]

@@baeseulgi1742 that's not always an option, everything they said really just went in one ear and out the other for some of y'all😅😂damn

[@Ndasuunye]

@@baeseulgi1742 you assume we are a monolith and everyone has the same circumstances. And that's a terrible mindset. You dont know what's going on in the poor person's life that making it harder than his rich counterpart to succeed. You assume too much that's why you make these simplistic answers.

[@beccad43]

Exactly! Also, this amount of stress and pressure that we have to put ourselves under isn’t the same. We simply can’t risk it all, because if we don’t make it we have nothing to fall back on. Nothing. Those that came from wealthier families have better opportunities and can take those risks. If they don’t make it then their family can support them or they can find something else.

[@AngelicPelican]

We've had; lgbt vs Christians, Liberals vs conservatives, atheists vs religious discussions.. never would I have thought rich vs poor would be the most tense🤣🤣

[@johnwalker1058]

There are some who speculate that among different social issues, whether that is LGBT/Queer issues, political issues, religious issues, economic issues and the problem of poverty often tend to be the most impactful on people's lives and bring out the most controversy. I guess they were right (at least in this particular instance).

[@walker1tnranger]

Economic class divides us more than anything else.

[@loverrlee]

I would. Because “Greed is the root of all evil.”

[@sttrawbrrymlk8871]

The world is run by money. People care about money above all else, unfortunately.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

Exactly my thought. 😭

[@Juliana-kv5ij]

Lolol David and the other business woman at the end, I’m glad I kept listening 😂 25:20

[@tissuebandit6681]

What did they say?
I cant properly hear them

[@PRIIMETIIME]

@@tissuebandit6681he asked her what they code in “is it python?” and she replied “we don’t code” - she owns a software design company, not software development.

[@gabriellahuerta3214]

I hope Hanifah has sold her book and got to see the fruit of her labor and I hope that the struggle she went through & made it out of is the testimony that has ended up pathing a way for success and happiness in her life. I feel for her deeply and I hope she is blessed beyond measures.

[@smr9084]

Example of the wealthy staying wealthy, and the poor staying poor : COLLEGE. In general, attending college is a privilege. But in college, the rich kids whose parents pay part of their housing / tuition have more time to study, can take the unpaid internships and gain the majority of experience, don’t have to work, etc.

[@connie0613]

As someone who didn’t have a lot of money growing up, in college, I worked mainly for the work experience. Studying was not so fun though :p

[@averyd1640]

thank you for bringing this up! i didn’t even think about this connection!!

[@hello-nq3ze]

@Kevin Cobb You realize student debt is the best kind of debt to have? Interest rates are insanely low, and if you're graduating from an ivy league, you best believe they're really intelligent to get a decent job.
If I could take a student loan out just cause, I would. Because I know I could easily make more than enough money to pay the interest and then some.

[@FM-dm8xj]

Why is this limited to just college bro? How do you think we even enter colleges-it starts from the moment we are born.

[@aiba6540]

Exactly, even some middle-class kids having that privilege allows them to climb up to the next class. I couldn’t eat lunch for many years and had to put myself entirely through college while helping my household. It’s extremely difficult and hard to see the other side if you have never had any assistance.

[@masonferris5910]

“I don’t care about money” is such a privileged statement.

[@nternetrat]

and if he did care about money ppl would call him greedy lol.

[@arijeetjoshi4911]

he made enough by himself to not care about it

[@sheldonsisombath7323]

He has solved his “money problems” therefore he doesn’t care about money.

[@idk-td6gg]

@@nternetrat not true,everybody cares about money, nobody sees that as being greedy

[@cjohnson24]

Didn’t someone from both sides say that? So are they both privileged?

[@adelenefiscu7614]

The love of money is evil. Despite the valid arguments presented, one particular aspect stands out: the accumulation of excessive wealth through exploitative means is unnecessarily cruel. The question arises as to why an individual would require a billion dollars. Why as a society are we being influenced by materialistic values that lead us to be consumers.

[@jyoon0128]

This was excellent. One of the best I've seen Jubilee present, but I think it would've been more interesting to have a better wrap up. The ending seems so abrupt. Perhaps due to time restriction.

[@jenwells4208]

"How much do you pay your employees?" "More than enough." I think it would be interesting for the rich people to live off of what they pay their employees...if it is minimum wage, but not a living wage, then that doesn't cut it

[@ling636]

@@zaki7108 they don’t want to hear it lmao

[@aria6596]

I bet she’s a horrible boss and doesn’t pay them well at all. She couldn’t last for a week on their salaries

[@aria6596]

@@zaki7108 but “living below their means” is still living significantly better than 75% of the rest of us.

[@grremmy]

You sound like they were born making that money and they haven't had jobs? All of them up there worked a minimum wage job at some point.

[@jay0339]

@@ling636 bro the level of entitlment in this comment section is crazy

[@jasp1425]

Nothing upsets me more than a person who used to be poor and then becomes rich, which causes them to lose perspective about being poor. The lack of empathy is astonishing.

[@sergiodelrioreyes7655]

I personally find it quite inspiring

[@writerchick94]

@@sergiodelrioreyes7655 you find it inspiring to lose empathy?

[@jimbobduggar1747]

@@writerchick94 he probably finds it inspiring that a poor person lost their victim mentality and worked their way to be something more successful

[@writerchick94]

@@jimbobduggar1747 so he finds it inspiring that they lost their empathy.

[@m3m3lord61]

@@writerchick94 hell yeah, she lost that loser self-victimization mentality and decided to make something of herself, she felt that only she could help herself and not wait for some generous hand, and worked her ass off to be successful

[@geedad]

23:47 David hits it again with his response to this. To others it might just sound bitter or flippant but my goodness, its on point. There are billionaires who truly want and do give back but I doubt any of them worry about social pressures to be socially responsible - their actions say none of that.

[@Wolfylink]

Disney character guy is pissed he’s not getting paid well needs to reevaluate his career choices. Obviously that job is not gonna be sustainable

[@sebastianf6499]

It's frustrating how the "rich" don't recognize the fact that nepotism exists within many industries like the music industry or entertainment industry which makes it harder for someone's talent to be recognized if they haven't come from a well-known family or the fact that many people who are wealthy are heirs or heiresses of families who have generational wealth from avoiding paying taxes for generations (I even remember reading a story of how one millionaire or billionaire even admitted how spoiled his children are).

[@hopeintruth5119]

@@andrewfreeman88 He never said nepotism was only in economic class but the rich people in the video. Don't recognize it and ignore it.

[@Ntantosthereal]

This exists everywhere but I dont think its systemic. It has always been "human" to hold certain people higher due to their lineage or mentors simply because they will probably be more qualified for certain things whether its about education or connections

[@johnlangdonrumph8854]

A big part of working to become successful is making sure your family will be too. Doesn’t mean that there isn’t a place for someone else too.

[@krbourne]

Nepotism is real, but a lot more well off people today are self-made. They were early adopters in things like the internet and bitcoin.

[@poocrayon4588]

Reads like a comment from someone who failed as an entertainer and is making excuses for themselves. Plenty of actors and successful music artists don’t come from families “in the biz”.
If your an entertainer then you would do it for the art, not because you hope to be a big shot.

[@ishittashinde6671]

It should have been rich people versus Economy experts because i feel the "poor people" felt intimidated to argue beyond a certain point. And also they probably lacked the vocabulary to verbalize many things they should have.

[@vhix64]

^^^ definitely need a redo with the same rich people

[@spaghettisauce-zk2vg]

This would be amazing

[@firehunters9628]

Economically , rich people had pretty much all valid points , because they argued based on the economics of different situations. So getting economic experts wouldn't change that.

[@Astro2024]

@@firehunters9628 no they didn't. You only think that because you haven't listened to a real economist who understands theory and doesn't regurgitate arguments from privilege

[@dahntaedeluna]

YES!!

[@joymontague251]

One guy talking about how he takes risks with his money and his parents didn't doesn't say whether they were responsible parents and maybe gambling on risks wasn't something they were going to do raising children. He also said his dad died poor, so it sounds like he really didn't help his parents even though he is successful.

[@tiffanysigmon5467]

Love Bill Perkins.
Favorite line of this video: "Let's talk after this" I bet she was like OMG here is my big break

[@Michellesvintagelibrary]

The rich people were dominating the conversation with voice, body language, and aggressiveness. I didn’t feel like there was a real exchange of ideas happening. This one really hurt to watch because the poor people were being dismissed and overpowered, and not by solid arguments or facts, just by personality.

[@awrebyawe]

Imagine how they treat their employees, they must be awful to work for.

[@klaiellordez2054]

No they were not, especially the one Poor guy David, he was very aggressive and over powering some of the rich people.

[@waitwhat7354]

@@awrebyawe Ah yes getting paid $50 an hour must really suck

[@awrebyawe]

@@waitwhat7354 nice to know what your self-respect is worth

[@ruqayyahi9082]

@@klaiellordez2054 hes angry, rightfully.

[@wonhyuk86]

This was a really interesting discussion. I hope next time you would invite rich employers and their/other companies' low rank employees. It'd be interesting to hear the perspectives of both sides, especially of the employees about their labor policies, salaries, and other stuff.

[@emilysilva3596]

This is a great idea!!!

[@Nionix123]

That's how mf's get fired, sounds like a conflict of interest for the employer, they already know they're in the wrong.

[@arianawalker1602]

Love this idea !!!!

[@callmehalimede6831]

Yes!! I would absolutely tune in for that. I think it’d be an interesting interaction to see

[@frostgarcia5257]

Agreed

[@cb30eng]

This drives me crazy! If YOU don't like YOUR situation, change it. Go to university and get a degree, start a business, find a mentor. Use that energy to improve instead of whining. Do SOMETHING! You can choose to not be a victim.

[@Joni-qr5kb]

And if you don't have the brain power to do that?

[@lucia19900706]

Can you remind me of the average tuition fee in the US?

[@timothybakke5243]

For the young people saying, billionaires shouldn't, and they can use up all that money.
They arent using every sq foot of their apartment or house, so why dont they let homeless people live in

[@eklectiktoni]

Bill kept talking about people who "create value" and then went on to dismissively talk about his mother who was a schoolteacher. If a person who dedicates their entire life to educating the future generations isn't creating "value", then I don't know who is.

[@mshbeatbox]

For school teachers its goverment who decides the teachers value. For companies it is the owner. There is difference.

[@skellymom]

Bill sounded like a total tool.

[@Comeback180]

Teachers are deeply underpaid no matter how much adults say education is important.

[@ondrejcerny3928]

It depends how many people you create value for. If you teach or work at a restaurant or in a factory, you create value for those few people that you impact with your work. If you develop a software or start a company that produces products than millions of people buy, you are creating value for millions of people. Rich people (at least those who are selfmade and honest) are rich because they made more valuable transactions with other people. If I sell you something and our benefit from that trade (in monetary value) is 1 dollar for each of us, and I do this with million people, then I have a million, but it does not mean I took it from people, it is the opposite, million people have a dollar thanks to trading with me.

[@eklectiktoni]

@@ondrejcerny3928 By that logic, how much value then, did the people who educated people like Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs create? Those men didn't learn the things they know out of thin air. They became successful because they learned from others and went on to apply that knowledge.
"If I had never [taken] that single calligraphy course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts." - Steve Jobs

[@simpleplanfan011]

It’s the way the “rich” people look at the “poor” people. There’s just a lack of empathy that is coming from them and it’s just sad to see.

[@vanessaalbuquerque4709]

If the poor are literally telling you you’re a bad guy and didnt deserve your money, yes. You should lack empathy towards them.

[@Otome_chan311]

@@vanessaalbuquerque4709 How do you make money without exploiting people? It's impossible. You *must* be immoral and evil, exploiting people, to acquire any sort of wealth whatsoever.

[@elijahcarter2435]

And the “poor” people are looking at the “rich” people as if they are evil and exploitative. I think it is important to remember that the “rich” people in this episode all came from poor backgrounds so they have first hand insight into the issues and the challenges that poor people face. The “poor” people in this case do not have the same insight into the lives of the rich

[@GeorgeWKush213]

empathy for what?😂 david said he is going to organize a union to be paid more at his job in disneyland. he seems like a decently smart guy so i don’t why he can’t just take some night class at his local community college, get an associates degree and work as like a dental hygienist or sum making 80k a year😂 I have no empathy for people who talk their tail off about how the system is rigged but have no desire to escape poverty

[@paulrios7294]

@@vanessaalbuquerque4709 exactly

[@wyldcatz1799]

i think i lost a few braincells every time david spoke lmao

[@ebbb365]

He's a socialist and doesn't understand what the governments role is

[@jackoff1826]

It's completely a mindset for what you want in life.

[@zephyr1986]

I'm currently homeless, living in a motel. I'm in a wheelchair and I'm a DV survivor. I'm on social security. If I COULD work harder, I would. I just want to be able to focus on living, rather than the basics of surviving. Being poor is exhausting.

[@GeorgeWKush213]

i’m sorry to hear that but u could always start a youtube channel, start a drop-shipping business, resell, possibilities are endless but u have to be willing to take that risk.

[@johndrennan518]

You’ve let your wheelchair define you.

[@Elizabeth-yc4zb]

don't you get disability checks...?

[@_lemonade_4841]

@@johndrennan518 😐

[@r0zugorudo]

@@Elizabeth-yc4zb disability checks are often extremely low paying.

[@maevadim4548]

The record label guy that makes 10 million a year threw a tantrum at a guy for saying record labels "exploit" artists and workers (which they do especially sound engineers), yet he agrees that 15 dollars an hour is more than enough for minimum wage, WOW.

[@vl3525]

Wow, you are so right!!

[@RockinLoud360]

So many contestants from X factor and AGT have been exploited by record labels.

[@nicolems]

hes a fool

[@pimp-simp5414]

It is enough if u aren’t gunna be buying iPhone each year if u aren’t gunna buy the newest car it is enough I do think u need a little more but my mom gets paid 24 dollars a hour and we are more than enough

[@maevadim4548]

@@pimp-simp5414 you probably live in a suburban area where the rent isn't %75 of your paycheck. Most minimum wage workers don't have cars, and live paycheck to paycheck. (I don't even live in the US, the cheapest car here is around $17,000 beacuse of customs)

[@vitalie9904]

As someone who’s poor. The poor people are just showing laziness besides a couple of them

[@rainestorm6029]

This comment section is so annoying, stop acting like poor people are just "acting poor" and rich people have problems too. Like at least rich people don't need to live paycheck to paycheck and barely have enough money to survive

[@nkkenlken3220]

They still believe in the american dream, too bad that the only way to experience the american dream is by sleeping.
Rich people will never accept the fact that poor people has always and still is more harder workers then them. And then there are the delusional middle class who either thinks that they will eventually become rich (which they never do unless they get extremely LUCKY) or they just wanna feel better about themselves by talking down to the working class.

[@Sophie-qh1vu]

Bill’s point about minimum wage is exactly what David was saying - just because someone is willing to do a job for $7 an hour doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be paid minimum wage, you can’t exploit someone’s desperation for money to your own benefit, and then convince yourself they’re “willing”. No sir, they’re oppressed and desperate.

[@yvettecamas5332]

What he is saying is some jobs are not worth paying 15 dollars an hour.

[@seanmachlan3282]

He wasn't saying the exact, same thing. Bill's point was that not all labor is worth 15$ per hour. And if the minimum wage is set at such a high wage, then you eliminate all of the potential opportunities for the labor force that are worth less. It becomes no longer possible to take a job that is worth less than that new minimum wage. Nor is it possible to offer one at that lower rate. Which means that the job likely disappears or gets absorbed into another position. Which still eliminates the total number of jobs available.

[@wombat4583]

@@yvettecamas5332 Why not? The living wage is more than that in a lot of places. What creates 'worth' when there are many jobs under that that destroy your physical and mental well-being.

[@specs4307]

@@wombat4583 every jobs has physical and mental stress connected to it, and I think logically its divided up pretty decent. A doctor has a lot more mental stress than someone who sells cars, hence a higher pay.

[@chaneljai4804]

Perfectly stated!!!🔥🔥🔥

[@shaybearden9438]

“Getting paid pennies vs no job”
That is so sad. People need to be paid fairly for their labor, not just be content with a non-livable wage. That was such a terrible take.

[@briceterronez]

If a job doesn’t contribute much value to the market and is low skill, it doesn’t get paid as much. It’s economics

[@AC-ri2ph]

@@briceterronez millions and millions of people get what they need to bc of those ppl. The pandemic showed you in high definition. With everyone losing their minds and begging minimum wage workers for their coffee and their packages, you saw the value it created.

[@briceterronez]

@@AC-ri2ph just because millions and millions of people use, say, McDonald’s, doesn’t mean they should get paid more. There are THOUSANDS of McDonald’s around the world. Not just one providing service.

[@dawnguinto]

@@briceterronez McDonald's has got enough money to have a thousand branches but not enough money to pay their workers a little bit more? Okay. Lmfao.
McDonald's is worth an upwards of 100 billion dollars.
To give you an example of exactly how insanely large of an amount that is 1 million seconds is 11 days. 1 billion is 31 years. 100 billion is 3000 years.
3000 years ago was pre-roman empire. That's how long ago that was. 100 billion's an absurdly incomprehensible concept of number/ammount to grasp.

[@briceterronez]

@@dawnguinto yeah, you know where the money goes? To the corporate McDonald’s employees who do the most for the company. I’m not hating on fast food workers as I was one, but cmon, you shouldn’t get paid 40k to fry food. Take out student loans and go to college. I’m in debt for student loans but I know it’s worth it in the long run because that degree will allow me to earn more money.

[@JustChillin740]

When people say WORK, how do u define WORK. study is work. THINKIN' is work. Doing something to provide is WORK. doing a job from 9 to 5 is work. Putting money to Invest is WORK. The Real question is. What WORKS for you?? And What Kinda WORK do you do. Think about it. Do You gain a lot or less from what you DO??

[@kashfortheking]

I remember when I was in my 20s and didn’t have a cell phone. One place I applied at for a job at told me to “come back when you have a phone.”

[@davidlee8406]

Did u finally get one?

[@aprilk1600]

this episode really just exemplifies that there is no class solidarity under capitalism, regardless of shared identities, cultures, experiences… economic class is such a compelling force that overrides all forms of identity politics

[@mariams5039]

Absolutely, class is the biggest dividers amount us and this video is clear of how ignorant the rich are

[@katscandance]

Yes queen

[@MsDudette21]

yup. notice how in most videos they hug at the end but here they didnt

[@sambros2]

Among us

[@songxia735]

Uh no. Race and culture is the biggest divider.

[@joshuahoogeveen3273]

"More money, different problems" was a great line to end this with

[@trel4504]

It's more money, more problems..

[@Worminthedirt]

But I wouldn’t necessarily say more problems, I think different is accurate. Problems due to being poor go away but then you’ve got some new problems related to being wealthy. It’s weird. Money does not buy happiness, solves money problems, but then new doors to new problems open.

[@slxthkween]

maybe more problems, but not as bad problems.@@trel4504

[@rainestorm6029]

At least they don't have to live paycheck to paycheck and not know when their next meal is.

[@oRSHR]

It all varies on the lifestyle selected and how you're making more money. If your aspiration involves freedom and security and centering life around that, i believe you will have fewer issues. @Worminthedirt

[@Kmfgriffith]

the poors at the end, "we did it! hook up dat jubilee cash"

[@ndumiso2729]

The guy in the blue shirt perfectly illustrates how being poor is a mindset

[@leagueoflegendsbestmoments8865]

He wants more money for doing the exact same and take no risks.

[@juniper617]

I absolutely believe the system is rigged against the poor, even though my partner and I make about $400,000 a year. I’d like to know how they’re defining “rich,” though. One of the “rich” people makes $130,000 a year while another makes $10 million. Those are very, *very* different situations.

[@boku955]

@Dan Wruck In my opinion, 135k is rich and above. I'd say she was rounding down, but she'd be close to that figure, I'd say she JUST qualifies lol.

[@rotisserie8444]

@Dan Wruck it is thi

[@parisholmes9129]

@Dan Wruck definitely depends on where you live, West Coast or north East in my opinion that's not near rich at all. Where as in the Midwest or some southern states that's beyond plenty my mother made $40,000 at the most a year along with debt and we always had everything we needed I really just comes done to your lifestyle imo

[@shivanih8918]

@Dan Wruck It definitely is rich. It's well off. Obviously it's not millions, but it's more than enough.
Edit: and the definition of poverty varies country to country, and varies even between cities in most countries.

[@shelleygreyrealtor]

In California, it's middle class.

[@rebekalanska2119]

Many people can "play the game", but what if we dont want to? What if we just want to do things like teach, help others, go to work, and expect enough to live? I dont want to "hustle", i want to do academia, but i also need to be able to feed myself..

[@lilttiger]

fr. hustle culture is toxic

[@rebekalanska2119]

@@lilttiger yeah like if we all hustle whos gonna teach? Whos gonna take care of the ill? Whos gonna cook for people??

[@DieNibelungenliad]

@@rebekalanska2119 This is gonna anger alot of online brothers who dont touch grass but...the patriarchy (men of importance in society) have already convinced women to be cooks, janitors, and child carers for free.

[@miahanrahan8769]

@@DieNibelungenliad yup the level on unpaid domestic labour women go through ON TOP of hustle culture is outrageous

[@mshbeatbox]

Hustle culture will find a solution to decrease those problems. We solve problems to society

[@arbitrarylib]

The rich are so annoying. You cant just grind and get rich. How arrogant for him to say "you should respect that [I got rich]." So irritating.

[@Valscorn01]

I don’t like Bill. Simply because hedge funds shouldn’t exist.

[@skellymom]

The fact that the people refer to life as "The Game" where there are these unspoken rules that can make and break a life with possible misery, poverty, and even death and not bat an eye or question challenging the ethics of it is pretty fucked up.

[@stealthis]

And then you have the guy who thinks that paying 0 taxes shouldn't be enough to label him as a bad guy.

[@chloebgrd840]

Exactly.

[@ovrthemoon5309]

i literally wanted to scream this through my screen, but ofc the people benefiting from “the game” would have no reason to question it in the first place

[@Ntantosthereal]

Its not its just realistic. We cant pretend its not like that or that it can change

[@Ntantosthereal]

@@stealthis it shouldnt

[@user-sj4wl9sz7o]

the fact that theres a dude with a 10 million dollar salary and someone whose homeless in the same room makes me so upset. i really hope everyone who needed help in this video got it.

[@johnjill4355]

Not a salary 🤣

[@TK-cg4ks]

@@johnjill4355 income, big difference.

[@whyparkjiminnotridejimin]

@@MaryBeth321123 Yeah another reason the US sucks.

[@zidane2761]

@@whyparkjiminnotridejimin *capitalism, but also America yes

[@user-sj4wl9sz7o]

@@rileygshep7606 i know you did not just say that rich people have more problems than poor people bye

[@sylvaindemeulenaere]

One thing I know: you worked for your money? You can keep it. Everyone, regardless of net worth, should pay the same percentage of tax.

[@UnknownPerson-yj7tq]

Even conservative economists wouldn't agree with ur stupd as point lmao

[@humans4130]

There's also an incredible amount of ableism in our society for example, half of the people living on the streets are suffering with severe mental illness. I'm glad that we're having a conversation about this.

[@Smokierwall780]

Ain’t no way homie mentioned ableism 💀

[@mash7433]

@@Smokierwall780 ur name is William no one cares

[@Smokierwall780]

@@mash7433 ?

[@lordflako5324]

It’s true. But if you’re able, you shouldn’t be complaining and start getting to work. Also helping those people with mental problems is very important and it’s overlooked.

[@ricedratiny7796]

thought u were gonna say missing an arm or leg, but mental illness? u're just weak then

[@chaelisa]

"i wanna be rich. i wanna take big risks and get big rewards and u should respect that" he said in front of the woman who just said she lives pay check to pay check. im sure she wants to be rich and take big risks too the problem is there is nothing for her to risk. she doesnt just have money laying around she wouldnt mind losing. the privilege and arrogance these ppl have defending a disgusting system even saying its a choice to be poor like???

[@stargirl7646]

Exactly!

[@MauricioCelis]

It’s definitely a choice to have a poor mindset.

[@ovrthemoon5309]

exactly!!! time itself is also a privilege - one of the people on the rich side mentioned people can just watch videos to learn how to play the game and become rich but it’s not always so simple. if you’re working multiple jobs or are in school during the day but work at night, where do you find the time to sit down and learn all these convoluted rules when you still need to make sure you’re using every hour of the day to stay afloat? this whole episode just frustrates me to no end.

[@dusty8789]

@@MauricioCelis thats not a mindset dummy, its called having no money to invest or task risks with. "poor mindset" is a made up talking point. nobody wants to be poor buddy.

[@Ntantosthereal]

Hes correct. She has addictions which are a great disadvantage to whoever employer would give her a chance and she clearly is in no control of herself. The truth is that she is just not destined for it. Unless she drags herself out of that hole shell never get better

[@mohamed_is_him]

Not to mention, internet access is expensive. Out side of rich countries, internet is expensive so in order to study on facebook, u need massive amounts of internet quotas that are simply inaccessible for most people that are in that position. I know because i live in a poor country but am financially ok because of my family. And internet access here is very expensive so you need money to earn more money

[@lost-jd8sx]

If you don't have a disability or any serious medial conditions theres 0 excuse to be poor.Theyre just tryna cope.

[@UnknownPerson-yj7tq]

just curious - r u poor?

[@evanqueer7765]

I think is necessary to address Todd's comment "if I go into a company and they're paying me minimum wage, I do everything that I can to get promoted". I have worked almost three years for a company and many many other years as freelance, and what I learned is that, most of the times, higher efforts are met with higher responsabilities, but not with a promotion adecuate to those responsabilities. We have a history of millions of people having health issues because of the stress they carry from work, because those people actually do the extra effort to get promoted, but they never get that higher wage. They just get different roles, with heavier responsabilities and more and more working hour outside their office. You get into a vicious circle were you are sometimes rewarded and you think that is worthy of all the other times that you don't, and that really wears off your whole life expectations and dreams

[@MS-wm9nt]

Thank you! I also thought his comment was out of touch with reality. It almost felt like he just said it to promote his millionaire mindset and be like "you only put in minimum effort, that's why you're poor!"

[@MsDudette21]

Exactly. I did my best with my shitty jobs but I didn't go above and beyond. I knew I was never gonna get ahead with how they treat us. Where I work now is a dollar less but it's so much more fulfilling and I have the opportunity to be promoted. I also work with people with developmental disabilities and genuinely care for them so putting in effort is crucial.

[@spidalegs1]

Exactly! I am multilingual and work in healthcare. A lady came in asking for directions and I gave them to her in her native language. My co workers were shocked and asked why I had never told them I speak spanish. I told them because we have many spanish speaking patients who do not speak english and I refuse to get out of my seat and interpret every 5 mins knowing that I have my own work to do and will never be compensated a penny more than what I make. My workload sill increaase while my pay will stay the same. It has happened to me before and now Im at a point where I no longer want to be a clown. I give my employer what was listed on the indeed ad and clock out. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@aberod6382]

I disagree with this, due to personal reasoning. All of the jobs I’ve worked at, I always go in with the mindset “work hard and get promoted”. Majority of the time I do get promoted and a raise does come with it. As for you, so sorry your job doesn’t give out raises. I hope you find a better job that appreciates you and your hard work!

[@angelmushahf]

Yep. I worked a job for 2 years. Doesn’t sound like much but most ppl didn’t last for more than 6months. I built rapport with clients and coworkers, worked overtime, worked very odd hours. When it came time for a promotion, they promoted the employee who had only been there for 6months and was only there once or twice a week for those 6months.

[@beccad43]

Here’s the thing. How do rich people say they come from nothing, but then completely lack empathy or understanding of how poor people feel? All the stories from rich people like saying “my mom cried every night”, so why aren’t you standing up for other poor people? Why aren’t you doing your best to make sure that doesn’t happen to someone else? Exploiting the system, like using certain tax loopholes, mainly hurt the people at the bottom.

[@gracemullen8183]

It seems like you have to bash poor people to gain respect in rich circles. If you’re rich and want to be accepted by your peers you say that poor people don’t work hard, even if you k ow from your own family that that is not the case.

[@KamariaHolden]

Most people who have a desire to accumulate wealth often have a conservative, individualistic worldview. Their whole mindset is about self interest whether they are aware of it or not. They're always going to make that argument because that is how they perceive their circumstances as well as others regardless if they were born into wealth or not. That's why it always feels like conversations like these are missing each other because they have different perspectives; one side believes in more liberalistic views of spreading wealth amongst all while the other believes in accumulating for the self which is the traditional conservative mindset, the dog eat dogs of the world.
EDIT: there are also those who are "self made" who change their worldview because they see the world differently after they see what happens when they change tax brackets & an innate fear of "losing it all" and going back into proverty or living below their newly accustomed to means that they so worked hard for.

[@good-tn9sr]

@@KamariaHolden it’s not just rich people, it’s all people. I worked in fast food, and I guarantee if they could save my life or anyone else’s in a robbery, most of them wouldn’t.

[@good-tn9sr]

Rich peoples taxes account for most taxes. 1% accounts for over 40% of all income tax…

[@KamariaHolden]

@@good-tn9sr the ones who should be paying taxes this is true lol there is an interesting nuanced discussion to be had about wealthy people tax (around 500k-10 million annually) to ultra wealthy taxes (around 10 mil and beyond annually) and who pays what and how much it takes away from their annual income.

[@brandonhughes645]

The poor just demonstrated why they are poor.

[@archaic1]

even tho she said she grew up poor i feel like brittany does not understand very well especially compared to the others...

[@zeynoaksit8635]

"You think because it's the law, it's okay"? WELL SAID MY GUY. I feel like some of the rich people in this video kept ganging up on him, but he made some valid points that they just completely disregarded.

[@mirrorball1]

it's not illegal but that does not mean it's ethical

[@claudiax233]

Yep. They were pretty unfair to him. But he was right.

[@emmainkeri7497]

Exactly, he was my favourite in this episode.

[@stealthis]

The rich group does not know the phrase "spirit of the law" at all. Sure, you can get out of paying your taxes if you jump through a bunch of loopholes, but why would there be taxes on the book in the first place if they never planned for you to pay for them?

[@stealthis]

@@claudiax233 it's a parallel to Marxism in general how wealth creators see the lower class