Do White People Experience Racism? | Middle Ground
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00:00 Intro
00:51 White people also experience racism
06:09 The police force is foundationally racist
12:57 I sometimes wish I was a different race
16:40 White privilege exists
20:11 I have been fetishized for my race
24:23 We need reparations for the black community
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Thank you! ,)
Please explore the offspring of bi-racial people. The griffes and quadroons need love too.
You guys should do one with Indigenous Land defenders and White colonial politics!!!
How do you mess up such a simple name? That ciera probably wrote down somewhere for you guys?
@@ryanmichaud2363 it's not that big of a deal
I actually want to see a middle ground episode between Africans and African Americans. For the most part there are still issues between both groups on whether to identify as one or be separate due to historical experiences, culture and geographic location
Can y'all (and the bots) stop commenting this please?
@@DistortedV12 why u mad
For real I want to see this. Like the topic would be so much diverse and knowledge.
People have been asking for this for years now. Why haven’t they done it?
Bro I was thinking the exact same thing when I clicked on the video
I’m not sure if it was done before, but having 3 different parties in a video is really neat
I don’t think it has been
everyone should get a say; i think it should ALWAYS be part of any discussion.
the biracials apparently identify as black so it’s really not
I really appreciated it and found it interesting
Same, I agree.
"Its prejudice, not racism" prejudice based on race IS racism 😭
No. Racism is the belief in the concept of race (race) and to create a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement (-ism) based on race. The suffix refers to ism, that is the meaning of ism: system. Look up "ism" in the dictionary. Prejudice is simply an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics, making them essentially two very different things if you examine the two words linguistically. But we've constantly changed what the word racism means to make some people more comfortable with it when linguistically the definition is there when you speak. Linguistically, it makes no sense for racism to mean prejudice based on race ALONE. Don't they teach language arts in schools anymore? Think about capitalism and socialism and Marxism. They refer to systems and practices and philosophies due to having the suffix "ism" in them. Capitalism doesn't mean "hatred towards poor people". It's a description of a system (ism) that is based on the prefix: capital. Common sense.
@@GenerationNextNextNext Look up some definitions of racism. According to those that I read, racism is not what you're saying it is,
@@GenerationNextNextNext -Ism doesn't have to mean system. The suffix ultimately comes from Ancient Greek and it was used to create abstract nouns in general. Not to mention that languages are constantly changing and evolving. Also, I don't think it's accurate to say that people are always changing the definition of racism.
By the widely accepted definition, a white person being hostile to a black person because they dislike the black race is racism. But according to your definition as you defined it in your comment, it isn't racism because it doesn't involve a system, practice, philosophy, or ideology.
@@GenerationNextNextNextdon’t waste you’re time on these ppl. They’re not as intelligent as you and they choose not to educate themselves about anything.
@@Molehasmolesits more nuanced than that, you just wann be victim sooooo bad
Prejudice against race is racism.
Prejudice based on sex is sexism.
LIFE does not discriminate, PEOPLE do.
Be proud of your heritage.
No sexism and racisim are ideology by the ending ism! Nothing to do with prejudice.
systems do too
@@sandykouame7123 buddy thinks racism is an ideology
For some reason, every single episode of this series or Spectrum makes me really think about how massively complicated humanity's history and morals are.
WOW
Despite that humanity, did you notice that with all of our complexities and difficulties, some groups still got preferential treatment and only some wrongdoing was corrected ?
Yeah if your morals are based on ideology and not logic and facts
Some people choose extreme morals tho and extreme things so it depends
* Ding Ding Ding * that's the entire point of producing the series.
Genuinely believing one race is not capable of experiencing racism is incredibly racist.
its true, idk why white ppl wanna experience racism so bad. no matter what u will never know what its like to be a person of color
@@alishaoop2676 ur wrong. white people experience more racism than blacks
@@alishaoop2676 idk why people of colour say racist stuff about white people… then say white people don’t experience racism
@@alishaoop2676 you do not own experiencing racism and saying "no matter what u will never know what its like to be a person of color" is like boxing all poc into one box. so many poc have experienced racism but alot of it has been from one another, not specifically white people, i would even go to such a degree to say that white ppl are one of the least racist races in the world simply because most of them live in countries like america, canada and other western countries where there is more diversity than anywhere else in the world. alot of white ppl grow up around people of all races because so many people from everywhere immigrate to those countries. but places like asia, africa, europe and etc are actually very racist because they form opinions of other races because they only know what other races are like based on stereotypes. alot of black ppl are racist to asian ppl, europeans are racist to black ppl. i kind of diverted there, but to box billions of ppl in to this one catagory is wrong because all of us are different. and teh statement that poc experience it more than white ppl is true because most of us dont live in diversity but using it as a way to just completely ignore white ppl who do experience racism because "they'll never know what its like to be like us" is completely ignorant and regressive.
and white ppl dont know what its like to be a poc and they probably never will but then you went out of your way to say they "they tryna be like us so bad" is you also admittedly ignoring their side of the story.
@@shivikap3893 i aint reading allat sorry maybe next time buddy
I love that this was an actual discussion & not an argument. We need more conversations like this.
Bryn is such an amazing woman. When she asked "what's it like" I really saw her humanity and her kindness.
Completely agree, we need more Bryns in the world
completely agree, when she said she was training to be a therapist, it made so much sense. she'll be amazing at her job, we do need more Bryns in this world as the other commenter said
My great great grandfather was one of the first freed slaves in Louisiana able to purchase land. He made sure to put, in writing, on 5 different stationaries (because some lawyers at the time didn't accept a will from a former slave so he had to find one that would legitimize it) that his little plot of land would go to his children. His first son did the same. My grandfather as well. My dad took me to a tiny 1/8 acre of land in Louisiana and said, "Our family is the PROUD owner of this land". It's one of the smallest but biggest, most amazing things I've seen in my life.
That is so beautiful and powerful. I’m so happy you got to experience a moment like that
This made me tear up
I don’t even get what that has to do with the video
@@MrShanester117 did you watch the video...? Literally at the end of the video discussing reparations the whole point was that black people were promised land which they never got, and that when they received wealth and land it was often taken from us
As a Louisiana native that is awesome and you should be proud. The history is Louisiana is rich and full of incredible people. I wish the government was less corrupt so we could thrive.
I think just the fact that everyone stayed completely calm in their tone of voice is really important for these conversations!
While the beautiful black and biracial women are sitting there victimizing themselves, the white girl in the green jacket is sitting there feeling sorry for them. She say "it sounds exhausting for you" and "you can't win".'. She has them just where she wants them mentally. Poor, helpless,, needy and pitiful.😂😂😂Stop the madness ladies!! Sin will always be present and stop comparing yourself to others and get the job done. PERIOD.
Maybe they are a group of soeopaths.
@@user-gr3wv8ck4b would you rather everyone talking over each other screaming? That's basically what debate/discussions are now (even in most Jubilee videos) so I find it nice that there's a group of level-headed people.
@@Peace-iz7gjWTF is you even saying? 😂
@@SonOfDenis
Read it again s l o w l y. 😂
I really appreciate how y'all at Jubilee take the comment requests for middle ground episodes! Love what you're doing with this channel!!
i love how everyone respect eachnother. didnt cut anyone and always said “i respect that” i respectfully disagree” like dudeee this is what an actual OPEN MINDED IS. You know you have a diffrent opinion and you know you wouldnt agree with that but you still listen and respected each other experiences. diffrences is just diffrences after all. diffrences makes you learn to respect others.
We need a “white mom biracial vs black mom biracial” video
That would interesting
I would love to see this.
@Coley cole yes, black mother “biracials”are more aware in my opinion of their black side and more inclined toward their black beauty. White mom “biracials” are not.
...YES. Very huge difference and would be interesting and eye opening to see.
There’s definitely a difference. I roomed with a biracial girl who’s mom I knew was white before I even saw her. It’s very telling
I just wish there were more races i.e hispanics, asian etc in order to make the conversation even more nuanced. Too often it seems like the racism is mainly spectacled in black and white spaces whereas it would be great to hear an Asian or Hispanic experience with racism more, and their overall point of view.
I hear what you are saying but this is the best way for them to boil it down because there are more white people who strongly judge black people (and vise versa) than any other racial dynamic in the world.
@@thurnishaley6649 yeah I agree with that especially in America. Even when we get taught history we speak about Enslaved Africans and racist European colonialist. Every other demographic is not discussed...as if they don't exist in our history until after the Civil rights movement.
@@zayah01 As an Asian American, I can tell you firsthand that the experience for me has been Asian vs every other race in America. I think the viewpoint really depends on whatever bubble you’re in and community you’ve been surrounded by. With that being said, I agree w/ OP that there should be a separate video on that to provide more perspective.
@@thurnishaley6649 Err....well, I'm not sure that's true. I guess it depends how you define 'race'. But there are certainly many countries who clearly have more animosity between ethnic groups. To list a few, African Hunter Gatherers (otherwise known as Pygmies) in the DRC (still widely enslaved BTW), Rohingya Muslims in Burma, Kurds across the Middle East, Roma/Gypsy people in parts of Europe.
I'm just saying, there is a lot of racial/ethnic strife in the rest of the world, and all the groups I just listed have been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleansing in the past century. By no reasonable metric is the Black/White dynamic in the US the most toxic in the world.
Hispanic isn’t a race
This was one of my favorite middle ground episodes!
"I just choose to not focus on it non stop so it doesn't hold me back" The last words are the ones to live by. 🤷🏻♂️
I want to see a full uncut version of this because I believe the conversations even as deep as they already are, had the potential to be even deeper. Granted I know automatically certain sides can’t speak freely without the internet blasting them, but I do like the idea of sitting together and having a real discussion of past, present and future like this
Yes
"certain sides" lol
These episodes are almost always cut way too short. Feels like half the conversations are missing sometimes
Same
“Certain sides” were u referring to the white people who may not have been as transparent due to the internet? 😅(genuine question)
I wish more people understood the difference between discrimination and racism.
Exactly! Racism can be done by any race and upon any race, discrimination is not race per se
I think what you mean and what you should look into more is the definition of both racism and systemic racism.
@@simianto9957 racism is a system. Ur wrong.
@@strrangermike That's incorrect. This is the definition: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. Says nothing about a system.
@@shelseadayardie1310 “or philosophy” … meaning both a system and philosophy. Meaning both systemic and individual..
Wow! This is an awesome discourse.... I love the objective and constructive discussion
This woman's definition of racism is her own belief. The oxford dictionary says: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
They like to redefine words, to suit their own agenda
Heavy on the last sentence. White ppl minorities CANT be racist towards white ppl
Typically one that is a minority or marginalised is in there for a reason
@@angiewinters*typically* a minority, not *always*
@@yes-yq4ilTypically means “usually, or most commonly”. White people victimizing themselves in this discussion instead of focusing on the larger problem like oh the trauma of half a millennium of slavery and white extremism they are merely showing how selfish and entitled they are and always have been.
The dialog between Jimmy and Ciera was phenomenal. We need more conversations like this.
Less Ciera more Jimmy in my opinion.
@@abe1540 more ciera in my opinion, I loved her ❤️
@@abe1540 nah more Ciera
@@abe1540 definitely not 😅lmfao
@@abe1540 Why not more Ciera?
🤔I speculate, that u feel some type of way about her outspokenness, and thoughts/views. And u lack understanding from her standpoint.
Never feel shame of who you are and how you're born.
Some people would call that a transphobic statement.
@@John-tr5hn then some people have problems
...That goes for white people too.
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@@John-tr5hn This is about race not gender
when the white girl said you can't win tears just rolled down my face cause its like she really understands. She is perfect to be a therapist.
What an amazing group interview with amazong people. Thank you so much
I really appreciated how respectful everyone was. I feel like when people are calm and respectful about an opinion that you don’t necessarily agree with it makes it much more palatable and makes you more likely to listen to the other person and maybe even learn something. That’s definitely something I personally need to work on so I really appreciated the people in this video
They all genuinely seemed to want to LISTEN
Also because there’s consequences. Their being filmed, but there was also probably preliminary contracts or agreement on the mutual respect aspect prior to filming.
No one gonna point out that the ”white guy” is Jewish. Jews are not white. Jews don’t call themselves white.
@@liamcomam2787 Just my opinion and im also wanting to learn....
Regarding using skin color to define race, this is why i think using or perpetuating the concepts of white and black etc are just reductionist and problematic. Rather than educating each other on our actual ethnicities, we keep resulting to reducing it to color of our skins which makes it easier to perpetuate these issues further. (not to deny the struggle of black folks or marginalized communities nonetheless, I just see a need to shift away from resulting to these ideas, I often use these terms out of ignorance which I wish I don't as a need to continue to educate myself.
Added im curious, do Jewish people not consider themselves any particular colour? (with inconsideration to what i said above - in addition, I would assume this is a touchy subject for them as its the whole reason why Jewish communities have face so much trauma with anti-Semitic/white-supremacist attitudes)
Mackenzie, you are my people. I feel the same. I've been working on that woman in the mirror. It's more refreshing to find people who want to personally grow instead of pointing the fingers.
Do a blind and deaf middle ground. It'll be interesting seeing how they view the world differently without their senses and the different prejudice that goes along with their disabilities.
@thatscarecrow sign language interpreters
@thatscarecrow translators
Yes that would be cool. But you need a whole organisation with interpreters so that on there ‘deaf side spot’ and on the ‘middleground spot’ they can understand each other. And maybe guidance for the blind people to middleground chairs if guiding with guiding dogs or guiding cane is not possible or very hard. But i am sure jubilee would be up for the organizational challenge.
I am dutch so sorry for any mistakes i make in english.
@thatscarecrow interpreters yes, but lot of deaf people still have a percentage of hearing. not everyone is fully Deaf. they may have had implants or surgery too. or been forced to accustom to a world which does not accustom to them and therefore may have learnt to talk regardless of impairment.
@thatscarecrow Lmfaoooo
This was the most well put together group to touch on the subjects. Everyone was wanting to learn something rather than just project something and state cases of experience and just discuss. I definitely feel I was able to take a broader view from more perspective in this video and not feel like it was propagandal input or just forced.
i like how calm they remainded and understood each different pov
Nuanced, filled with respectfulness, intelligent thought and articulation. This is truly one of the best middle ground episodes I've ever watched.
Agreed, and in particular, I loved Sierra's analysis. Especially the last prompt that was in response to Joshua.
Snyder lmao you aren't White.
@@Heimbach1966 and you lack intelligence. 😒
For real even the cop was okay
Same
We need a middle ground for native Americans because the negative effects of colonialism are very prevalent in their lives.
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Ikr they need a Native American one that would be cool too
With "full" blood and biracial natives
native americans are a made up designation. blacks were here before the united states was formed, yet the government wont allow us to be free
sucks to suck
Jimmy has such a nice voice
this was an amazing conversation
The dictionary definition of racism does not exclude any race from experiencing racism. Prejudice towards a person regarding skin colour is racism.
Who is responsible for the definitions found in dictionaries? That's a modern definition that fails to capture the origin of "racism" and absolves those that benefited from it and created the idea of it. Lumping folks into caregories that we now call "race" has its ORIGINS in putting one group as superior over another to gain an economic/power advantage. Writing into the original laws of a begining country that those in positions of power (elected officials)......folks who look like us have these rights.....everyone else does NOT. And done with the sheer purpose of giving themselves and those that look like them an unfair access to power, backed by the law, AND access to wealth making. And future laws enacted by this group were made with the same purpose. Propping up self over everyone else. Even when discrimination became ILLEGAL.... they found work arounds....like banning things that other groups were known for doing and making penalties harsher for them....ie. Crack vs. Cocaine. Or barring access to govt. benefits by manipulating the qualification process...like IF your a home owner you can qualify... knowing that a certain demographic would be excluded because they tend to not own homes (cuz well we rejected their mortgage applications). Or saying you must have a degree... knowing that a certain demographic wont have a degree (cuz well we rejected them from universities).....or saying you must know how to read and write (cuz well we made if illegal for them to learn for generations).. you get my point. We have to have HONEST conversations about the REAL definition of racism in America.
@@markita.hardenhome the real definition of racism is already a fair definition because like I said, it doesn’t exclude any race from experiencing racism. Racism and institutional racism are not the same and people like you need to understand that.
Exactly. I can't wrap my head around why people think white people can't experience racism.
This is not the first and will not be the last time a dictionary definition has been changed to fit the views and narrative of the times. People are offended by the word racism and wanted to be included in the word so they changed the definition to also include white people.
@@crunchychunkypowdery5101 the word racism was never changed to include white people, it already included white people. Unless you can provide evidence suggesting otherwise? People aren’t offended by the word racism, people are offended by racist words and actions.
I think it would be interesting to see a video on racism for Native Americans. I feel like they don't really get much recognition in these topics so it would be cool to see their perspective on things.
I agree. I too keep on wondering why Native Americans aren't talked about in this topic most of the time.
@@fum7891im part native and mixed with white and i get bullied more for being white than my hispanic side and have seen my white family memebers being descriminated against for being white its sad
@@yk_Its_jaxAs someone who is Mexican but light skin like very, were always joking about white people it's what every Mexican joke since when we were drivin away the land and yeah im pretty sure we still hold a grudge but now looking at it yeah racism is still racism. I hope you talk to your family about the way you feel, talk it out as a family you know. I'm sure you'll work it out if you just talk.
💯 we need channels like Jubilee and Vice to include more discussions debates involving Native Americans and indigenous peoples.
@@fum7891 I ask that question all the time. The double standard in this country is baffling. Kansas City Chiefs can have people in the stands doing the tomahawk chop, which I find highly offensive. But they can do this because they are winners. Cleveland Indians, Washington Redskins and other teams have had to change their names, because they weren't winning. Overlooking these racist undertones, because they are winners isn't okay. Indians are probably the most oppressed people in this country.
These ladies are were incredible and on point what a beautiful group.
Nice episode, I would have loved if one of the mixed girls pretty fairly grew up around both sides or predominantly their black side of the family. I'm sure her perspective would have been a little different. Being that I grew up around my dads side/the black side of my family, my experience was/is for sure different than it would have been if I grew up around my moms side or both equally pretty positive. Not discounting their experiences obviously, it would have just been a nice added perspective
This is what a healthy conversation looks like. Many people can't have them but it's always nice to see one :)
If I was there I would get kicked out 💀
@@micr0wavecapriisun774 🤣🤣🤣
@@micr0wavecapriisun774 why 😭
tru
nice to see adults actually acting like adults during a political discussion for once
It would be interesting to get a conversation going between Black people from other countries in the world and Afro Americans to talk about how they view racism.
It's very different for African Americans due to slavery, Jim Crow laws, civil rights era and other historical events and animosity between blacks and whites. Africans in Africa are the majority in their countries so they have a different perspective.
Yep in europe racism is different, but still ruin people’s lives
@@ms.bubs4fun506 There are Africans in other parts of the world than just African Americans and Africans in Africa..
Afro Carribeans..
England
Spain
Japan
France
Germany..
The Netherlands
Pakistan..
Australia
The list goes on. All of these groups would bring a different perspective.
Racism issues in the US and France for example is so different. In France, just talking about races to define different ethnicities is completely forbidden and punishable. So it's always interesting for me to see American people discussing about races, or even dealing with races When they vote
@@corentinnicolas9857 On est d’accord ! Et je comprends pas pourquoi beaucoup de personnes de minorités en France veulent transposer des modèles de lutte qui viennent des États-Unis, sur la France. Ce sont deux univers qui ont une vision diamétralement opposée des ethnies, de la discrimination etc …
Suggested this discussion...found this discussion 👏🏽💪🏽👍🏽
I think this is one of my favorite middle grounds because everyone was very respectful of each others opinions I enjoyed watching this
When we were taught about racism in school, the definition was "discrimination against someone based on their skincolour, ethnicity etc." So it doesn't only include black people
School doesn't teach you the origin of racism, nor does it teach you correct history. School education should not be the standard.
nobody said it's exclusive to black people.. all minorities deal with racism. you cannot be racist to a white person.
The teaching criteria is different at all schools mine taught us racism was always towards minorities not white people just cuz ur school taught it doesn’t mean that’s how it is lol lots of schools teach abt false history as well
@@yagurlvae401 You can look up the definition of racism on Google, neither of the options state that it is only applicable to minorities.
@@yagurlvae401 Do you know what minority means? Minorities vary depending on the area. Black people are a minority in Europe, but white people are a minority in Africa. So if you were taught that racism is against minorities, that means the definition I gave still describes it correctly.
Ciera and Jimmy's conversation was absolutely fantastic. We need more dialogue like this.
We do not need more Jimmy’s
@@kennyjohnson8055 No we do need more people willing to learn& change.
@@kennyjohnson8055 what do you hate about jimmy?
@@a1yssaa that ain’t jimmy
@@-Sober- he’s the personification of every misinfo campaign the GOP has ever run
This video is amazing, this how humans should interact and learn and grow, everyone grew from these conversations
i genuinely liked and respected all of the people speaking in this video, unlike most other videos where at least one person is easily hate-able
this was such a lovely transparent and respectful conversation. everyone's input was validated and valued by the rest of the group. it is so evident that everyone came simply to understand. this is how we come together and move forward. ❤️
Do you like farting?
No one in this discussion got there views validated.
Yup. Each person's position is valid. But as some act like their position and experiences are more valid.
Jubilee, we're still waiting for Black Africans vs Black Americans video😭
That’s too realistic.
i would love to see how that one plays out
THAT conversation really needs to be had.
I'd love to hear each person's perspective.
If a black american like Ciera has the nerve to say that racism started with slavery in the US and only exist from white to black in that episode, we're gonna have a laugh.
This was very great for the first time I learnt so much regarding a race conversation
That last guy just bothered me, he's so brainwashed he doesn't even see how it affects his people... so ignorant I hope she changed his way of thinking
I don’t think he’s brainwashed at all. If anything I do agree with him, it didn’t happen to him so he’s not holding a grudge. Of course he believes slavery is bad but he doesn’t think that all white people are bad because of it. My ancestors probably might have had some prejudice and racist views, all I can say is I’m sorry for that but I didn’t do what they did, so why do I have to be held accountable for it? To move forward we have to stop living in the past
I love how understanding everyone was of each other’s views even when they clearly struck a nerve ,they responded clearly but calmly. This is how you have conversations!
i don't think the cop was understanding like nobody changed their mind but at least they were replying to answers directly instead of throwing personal anecdotes of viewing the situation through a job description
The answer to Jimmy's question of potentially over-specialising the police force is to make every cop go through the same basic training before specialising into "domestic" or "social" or something like that - same as an MD. Every doctor gets a basic level of training before studying particulars of surgery or podiatry.
His argument is still valid. In psychiatry, I'm not managing my patients' blood pressure and diabetes long term.
I thought that. My gyn still should be able to deal with a broken leg, just in case.
@@riku1neo That goes back to the Original comment. They weren’t saying that the cop that isn’t specialized should be doing it long term, just long enough for the specialist to get there and to properly deal with the situation.
Issue is recruitment and money.
@@riku1neo if you were a psychiatrist you would still have to go to medical school so you would at least know how to take a blood pressure and know that the values are dangerous and you would know how to take a d-stick and what blood glucose levels are dangerous. Psychiatrist have to be BLS and CPR certified as well so yea psychiatrists can save people's lives because they have general knowledge of medicine
I feel like many people have discrimination confused with racism. The two are similar but NOT the same. But I appreciate “middle ground” holding conversations like this one! I love all human beings!! ❤
Racism is discrimination though. It's discrimination based on race. Sexism is discrimination based on sex, classism is discrimination based on class, etc.
@@sarahh7369 EXACTLY!
I think for conversations like this they should have biracial people that are outwardly appearing white, black and ambitious. I think from those varying lived experiences you may get different points of view on how they are treated and their family members of lighter or darker complexion.
This is my favourite episode so far! Everyone was so respectful of each others opinion and I feel like everyone actually listened!
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Exactly, this episode is the best for sure
I agree!
As an African (From Zambia) , I would like to see middle ground between Africans and African-Americans. To make it fair the African sample should include individuals from varying divisions of Africa (southern, central, Eastern, Northern and western Africa) as we are diverse in our cultures and understanding.
I swear we been asking for this for years, where our video at lol?!
yes but it depends what we’re talking about. are we talking about Black and African Americans? cuz then it should just be black Africans. but if we’re talking about Americans of all races then yes I agree with what you said.
So that Africans can bash A.A like they do on TikTok, pass.
can you explain why you want this topic? why not african vs carribeans?
@@lovenoelani Idk what your trying to say but the term “African” also extends to white South Africans and not just the typical dark skinned African. Apologies if I misinterpreted the message
Great people great discussions great representation of mentalities love it
Is there anywhere i can get the full uncut versions of these?
this was a really great conversation. I'm also really glad there was a Jewish person who identifies as white included in the conversation. I think it shows intersectionality and how identities are complex. And how he also acknowledged that he has simultaneously experienced discrimination for being Jewish while also being perceived as white.
I am also glad about that.
I liked that too, I wish he talked more though!
@@haterade3.029 I hear you, and I agree that if you have light skin you automatically have privileges in this world. But Jews, even if they are racially white, are not considered white by many standards (i.e. white nationalists don't believe that white Jews are "white enough." Jews are targeted by white nationalists even if they have light skin/are of European descent.) So it becomes a bit of a tricky issue because it concerns the distinction of ethnicity from race, which are often conflated. Lots of people view this issue differently, so I was glad to see that Jubilee included this perspective to show the complexities of this kind of identity.
"identifies as white"... What do you mean?
@@etyndigtland because Jewish people are also targeted under white supremacy, some Jewish people do not consider themselves white, even if they are of European descent. Other Jews of European descent do say that they are white. Of course, people with lighter skin will have privilege in this world, there isn't denying that. But I think that some people consider "white" to be people who would not be targeted by white supremacy, so Jews might not fall into that category for them. It is different for all Jewish people who are white-passing/have light skin, not everyone has the same idea of whiteness in our current society. It also depends a lot on the generation and if someone grew up frequently experiencing discrimination and antisemitism--their understanding of whiteness might be different.
I long for more conversations like this one. Listening without ego and really hearing another person from their perspective... Priceless. These conversations are so necessary!
these conversations are horrible that is built around a narrative that black people are falling into made by cnn news. They are teaching black people to hate white people. It is why cnn lost 90% of its viewership over the last year. And you see it in this conversation from the black people who fall for their nonsense not understanding how poorly everyone is treated from all races. CNN wont show a white guy with a knee on his back who died same way George Floyd did the only difference is the cops laughed he stopped breathing. The news channels refused to show it only Floyd. Narrative nonsense. These black people need to stop watching cnn and find the truth into how everyone is mistreated not just black people.
This is how adults should speak to each other 👏 Great stuff.
Excellent discussion!
Thank you for separating black people and biracial people. It feels like they're always put in the same category, when my experience as a black person is different to that of a biracial person's.
Me too. I agree
Same!
They are in my country they are classified as a different race so I was surprised that in American they are grouped in with the race that they look like the most
not to mention that biracial people experience unbelievable amounts of racism from black people
@@dtvl9468 same from white people 🤷🏾♀️
Love the concept of a 3-group middle ground. Would love to see more of that, especially for overgeneralized groups like Asians. Maybe an episode for East & Southeast & South Asians. Or even Mainland Asians, Maritime Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders.
Yes 👏🏾👏🏾
“Black people” is thee most over generalized group there is. Hence the problem for reparations.
Why, all asian are pretty much the same in america
@@juzrhyme712 ...? What was the point of this comment
@@juzrhyme712 who mentioned america?
What an awesome conversation!
The way that Cierra speaks reminds me so much of how gentle Janet Jackson speaks!! And she’s gorgeous just like Janet too 😍😍😍
This was honestly one of the best conversations I've seen from this channel. Everyone listened to each other with empathy and respect. It was so beautiful to watch this group converse and learn from each other. Would love to see more of this convo is possible.
While the beautiful black and biracial women are sitting there victimizing themselves, the white girl in the green jacket is sitting there feeling sorry for them. She say "it sounds exhausting for you" and "you can't win".'. She has them just where she wants them mentally. Poor, helpless,, needy and pitiful.😂😂😂Stop the madness ladies!! Sin will always be present and stop comparing yourself to others and get the job done. PERIOD.
@@Peace-iz7gjWell spoken!!
Really?? Well you must be black, then! It was NOT about y'all, for once!! But all these black people did qas complain about the supposed racism against THEM, when the topic of the conversation was whether there was racism agaisnt WHITES!!! This qas the WORST deb2te I've seen on that channel, by far!
I think it’s interesting hearing the difference in opinion between the black and mixed people who were raised by white people and in white communities vs. black and mixed people who were raised in black neighborhoods by black parents.
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The simple fact that some know black/African American/Negro/colored history versus others only understanding the history taught in schools.
They should make one of biracial people raised by black parent vs white parent
@@-ryn- what are some questions you would like to hear? I do think there is a cultural difference, but not far from the conversations that were had in this discussion. It definitely an interesting topic
True
This is one of the most respectful Middle Ground episodes. There was minimal interruptions and they gave each other space to fully express their points of view. And all that done without a moderator! Bravo!
Jimmy was brilliant. Very wise, honest, and logical. I’m sure he was a great officer
Yes the best speaker there
lots of people need to understand the different types of racism like interpersonal racial prejudice is not the same as historical, structural inequalities.
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yeah complaining about how racist people were in the past is cool and all but how tf is that relevant today
Exactly!
@@balance2599 because the black poverty rate remains 3x the white poverty rate and is largely due to historic discrimination
I think that we all need to look at the definition of racism without contemplating too much about power dynamics. I do agree that the power dynamic was key to making systemic racism flourish, but there needs to be a clear delineation between what racism and systemic racism are. Anyone can be racist under its most basic definition, but not everyone will be subject to systemic racism.
9:35 I honestly feel police need mandatory psych checks because I’d imagine seeing things and having to deal with certain areas develop bias and or they’ve seen way too many things. Mentally that would take a toll on a regular person, and the cops are just like the rest of us.
yes
That's also already an anime plot 😂
They do have programs for this
Hopefully as more generations come we can teach our kids and their kids to accept others and racism as a whole will decrease.
There can’t be any racism when there is only one race
The way she calmly read him 27:28 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I really appreciate how Sierra kept her cool and explained her position with such grace. But for the most part, everyone in this discussion did a great job!
She did great!!
@@gashinggustwind5074 sierra had the worst takes out of everyone y’all trippin
@@popcornplaya2013 You must be slow💀
@@popcornplaya2013 she had a opinions just like everyone else and many of them had historical and statistical backing….
@@imani7979 that’s fine but we can disagree with her opinons like people do all the time with this show and for me her views that white people experience racism is wrong as her defenition of racism is different to mine and many others
I think one of the major problems of discussing racism like this in the larger society is that there is still an ongoing battle over the language. You could get glimpses of it in this video. There are two different understandings of what racism is. While I do agree with Sierra, a lot of people won't be able to get past her approaching racism in a more academic sense. Unfortunately, the more specific terminology such as systemic racism has already become a trigger word. It's hard to see how to work through these issues when some people seem to be intentionally trying to divide us into separate realities.
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This is an excellent point. I tuned in and was immediately turned off by the first question, 'triggered' you might even say.
I think it's preposterous to say that white people do not/cannot experience racism, as I generally prefer to identify interpersonal racism (your classmate calling you a racial slur, or other 1 to 1 day to day experiences) and systemic racism (as enacted by governmental bodies and policy) as two different concepts under the general umbrella of 'racism.' And, if you look outside of America, white people can certainly experience both of these things- literally any racial group can.
The push to discredit these facts and narrow the definition turns a lot of people away from the discussion entirely, as it suggests that those touting the 'white people can't experience racism' argument refuse to see the world for what it is (hella messy) and discredits anything else they might say.
Luckily I kept watching to hear this group make many other great points and have a wonderful discussion - but the divide over language and definition most definitely undermines opportunities for conversation and real empathy among people from different races and schools of thought.
Yes, Yt folks and other anti-Black folks see calling out anti-Blackness and systematic racism as an attack on them. It’s entitlement.
exactly. instead of talking about racism its always switched to “thats not racism” which doesnt help. one of the top comments on this video is exactly that whiny remark. “i wish people realized the difference between racism and discrimination” which is a very futile approach. you can tell who has and hasnt studied this from an academic point (ex. sociology)
The redefinition of racism into systemic racism is just a way to gatekeep racism so white people cannot use it on themselves. There's an understanding of what systemic racism is and what racism is and everyone gets it. People that pretend their isn't are just dishonest.
She's an actor... that's all I needed to hear..
Ciera!! 💯💯⚘️⚘️🔥🔥
this’ll be intresting
Hi
@@janetsdrawstation Hi
Bro exactly what I thought
@@miraculouslady632 Hope you have a great day🥰
taehyung 😍
I really admire those who are able to converse with others with opposing thoughts without getting angry and disrespectful. It it a skill I strive to possess. Thank you Jubilee! I enjoyed listening to this conversation.
tell me yr from gen z without telling me fr from gen z
@@aa-cx8nc how does that even pertain to what they said?
@@aa-cx8nc tell me you didn't understand what they said and just want to sound smarter without telling me that
@@deckem5377 lol how was i being pretentious. that's just my opinion. if you don't see what i'm getting at where the ability to be composed is somehow miraculous and hard to achieve yr the pretentious one
@@aa-cx8nc “yr” friendly fire
Ciera was a blessing in this 💯💯💯
WOW!!!!! This was GREAT!
Bryn will make a fantastic therapist, her understanding and listening skills are insane
That death stare she has scares me a bit.
I like her
Her listening skills are 👏🏾
I genuinely started crying listening to Christina. Almost all of my best friends have been mixed, and being mixed myself I've wished I was other races, I've been confused, I've missed out on the black side of my family. I feel for her so much, and I hope this is something more people begin to understand. I've longed to be white with straight hair and blue eyes, felt guilt for feeling that, and felt like I missed out on a part of myself.
WOW, you put it in words frl i feel this
Black people have felt this too, not just biracials
I hope you get to learn about your black side as well ❤️
@@mackenziepalmer it's really not the same. Biracial kids are missing out on half of their identity and it's not so easy to access it when they're growing up in a single parent home.
@@tim.kelly7136 it's not the white person's fault that their other side won't step up. But it's always put on white ppl like it's their problem. It's not. It's the parents problem who isn't stepping up period.
Honestly, this is so interesting to watch because although I may not look white (my mom's side of the family is native American so I am around 15% and I personally inherited naturally very dark skin- often being mistaken for light-skinned or mixed) I am majority white which has put me in a situation to observe many things. especially in the way, people interact with my white-looking friends. I have seen and heard how they are treated and honestly, it leaves me very surprised with how people say things to them and never get in trouble( I am still in school). Also I go to a school that is VERY diverse with people ranging from all races.
Almost every week I hear someone calling them a cracker ( which in my opinion is like calling someone the N-word) and then when anything happens they start to say things like "ya its because your white and that's why" when often times the situation has nothing to do with skin color. Even when they talk about life at home I will hear comments like "Wow my black family could never" when I know that these people have a better home life than the said white person. Then It also makes me mad when I hear these people get pressed when someone even slightly mentions ANYTHING to do with their skin they start saying they are racist well they are being completely serious. This also interests me because would people be saying these things to me if my skin was a slight bit paler? because that could have easily been me since some of my siblings have very pale skin which means just a slight change in my inheritance and that literally would be me. So I can very obviously tell these comments have nothing to do with the culture or behavior of white people since I was raised in the exact same way as my white friends(albeit a slight difference because yk different families have different rules) and these comments are never said to me when the only difference between me and my friends are skin color.
I think that overall I don't understand how people just talk and talk about wanting to end racism and stuff but yet talk about things like white privilege in this day and age. Like ya maybe 30 or more years ago and maybe even with the older generation but how does it make it ok to very blatantly be racist just because someone has less melanin than you and therefore means that their ancestors beat yours so that means you can hurt them for someone you most likely have never met in your entire life.
And I'm not trying to say that it's okay to be racist to other people than white just LITERALLY the golden rule of treating someone the way you want to be treated. If you want to end racism (or don't want people to be racist to you) maybe don't be racist because I can assure you using a slur daily is being racist. (also, I'm not saying that the term cracker is as bad as the N-word I'm just saying a slur is still a slur no matter the weight behind it)
Cracker definition: encompasses a broader derogatory connotation. It became synonymous with ignorance, backwardness, and perceived inferiority, perpetuating stereotypes about poor white Southerners as uneducated, criminals.
Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group
Also, I don't particularly understand why people get annoyed when asked what they are maybe this is different for some people but I am stopped on a daily basis to be asked what I am, I mean I know I look different with blonde straight long hair and pretty dark skin with brown eyes like I just don't understand why people get mad at peoples curiosity like if you're so proud of your race then why do you get mad when people ask questions about it?
If you read all that thx :) just got a little heated there and I would love for you to leave your own experiences or opinions in the replies
there is a difference between racism and systemic racism, and that's the core of the debate. any race can experience another person judging them for their race, but not every race experiences systemic racism and it certainly varies by culture and location.
But where does this just racism come from?
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@@_cry.ab0ut.it_ but that’s not cause you’re white or is it? Genuinely curious
@@_cry.ab0ut.it_ you mention that your people were enslaved, that means you have history that could cause discrimination today
@@_cry.ab0ut.it_ isn’t that xenophobia not racism
This video made me really think about intergenerational wealth, poverty, trauma etc. Part of the reason Joshua didn't feel as strongly about the treatment of his ancestors is because he was adopted and therefore he didn't inherit the benefits or struggles they incurred over their lives. A lot of black people are born into poverty because of the cycle of poverty that was begun by letting slaves free without any compensation or leg up to get themselves started in the world - they were just cut off into the world with just the clothes on their backs. No money, no one willing to give them jobs, no home, no vote, no nothing. But there are also plenty of white kids born into poverty due to their parents having problems with addiction, or gambling, or mental health, or physical health and those kids don't deserve their lot any more or less than black kids. Perhaps society should focus on aiding people in POVERTY regardless of skin colour, funding programs and education in POOR neighbourhoods rather than black or white neighbourhoods. Since statistically black people make up a higher percentage of the poor population more black people would get aid but it wouldn't have anything to do with their skin colour and everything to do with their current situation. That way Native Americans who live in poverty would also get help instead of having to wait for people to remember that they exist too and black people weren't the only race to be fucked over in America.
Very well said
Brilliantly said!
Plenty of white people are born into poverty too. It has much more to do with many other factors besides race. Stop making excuses and break the cycle. All the affirmative action we have now, which is inherently racist btw, it should be fairly easy.
I think you did a great job bringing American History full circle. However, I believe that Black people are more outwardly spoken about in racism, because they fought/fight back the loudest. I said loudest, and not hardest, because as a black women I cannot speak for other races and refuse to believe every other race took racism with a quiet smile. For instance, Asian immigrants fought against racism through assimilation and climbing the corporate structure in the background, tolerating some horrendous things to get to some of the “top tier” societal structures. I also believe Hispanics fought back as well, but the language barrier made it difficult for them to unite in the POC movement, which is why I also believe we need to learn multiple languages as POC, to better communicate with each other to fight the systemic racism prevalent in our society. There are many other examples I can give, but this comment is already too long, lol
The most underprivileged group in America are the Irish-Americans. by number of impoverished compared to their total population.
As a wife of an officer, you can’t just send a social worker to a call. Police shouldn’t be dealing directly with the mental health call but still need to respond with the social worker. Most of those calls are dealing with the worse parts of mental health that easily turn violent.
I think it’s fine if police respond but they should be sent with therapists or social workers-people who *are* to manage and deescalated certain crises. Yes, the officers can be there for help and to keep things safe but the presence of a licensed mental health professional could do wonders in facilitating understanding between all parties.
It’s just interesting to see the white people in the comments attacking Ciera when she was literally very respectful and calm like Jimmy…
You know how that goes lol
I love videos like this! It speaks up about topics that people try to sidestep. I would love to see a video including south Asians regarding the topic of racism. I feel like racism towards south Asians specifically, such as Indians and Sri Lankans is not spoken about and is swept under the carpet. I feel like as south Asians we are taught to accept it, making me feel like lesser than white people. We are called dirty, disgusting and overall an unattractive race to date. I find that only other races of colour respect me to the same level I respect them.
My only beef with Indians is .. none, because I respect your believes 🌚
Yes!! As a South Asian I couldn’t agree more. I have had economic privilege bc of my immigrant parents but I’m also brown and my skin color and name affect the way I move through the world too.
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This!! India was a wealthy nation in the past but then british colonisation happened. Its funny that we're considered poor and dirty but if the british didn't barge in, India would be like the wealthiest nations today. White people are generally scared of being racist to white people because we are aware of the racism they faced, we need that for asians please.
Yep it’s only white people of course what other race would do and say such horrible things…hmm not like the black community is notorious for their racism towards all Asians.
When the two biracial girls came forward when asked if they wished they were a different race is so legit. I feel that so hard. I grew up like Jordan, raised by a white mom and white grandmother in a white small town. I grew up very poor and am the first person in my family to go to college and then get a masters degree all on my own. The fetishizing is unhinged from white but mostly black men in my experience, colorism is rampant. I also believe class/socioeconomic status, is also a major factor along with race. This is a great episode.
I’m biracial, white dad and black mum. I couldn’t care less how people view or fetishise my colour… we live in a fallen sinful world, the way I deal with it is just to get on with my life….
Fetishism from black men is NOT a privilege. They keep telling us it is but it’s honestly a set back
@@mypronouniselonmusk4559 I never said it was? I'm confused
@@rachelmazza4079 okay sorry, I misread
Colorism is the worst thing that ever happened to me with fetishisation
Christina, I really love the Nigerian jersey that you are wearing and especially your point of view in all subject matter
I like jimmy, very well spoken.
But very ignorant as well. And sadly he was a cop. No telling how many Black people he victimized, even without realizing because of his rose-colored glasses.
I feel like jimmy kind of made a solid point by stating that as a officer, being in one community for so long and having constant negative interactions with one group can create this bias in ones mind. But like nia was stating, more culture competence can help fight that.
They shouldn’t be policing those neighborhoods then.
@@cashbabies2914That was the cop's point from the video I think. In order not to create jaded cops they should be moved around.
@@januspatermagnusit that’s the case why do we hardly ever get videos of teachers racially profiling students? Because it just doesn’t make sense to say that, having to deal with the same community has nothing to do with power trips.
@@MawienMadut I honestly don't know but it feels somewhat off topic. What works for teacher isn't going to work for cops necessarily. There's no one solution that will do wonders.
@@januspatermagnus Elaborate
The police officer and the activist were both well spoken individuals.
I love when we get to see trained professionals on topics and experience within these conversations.
But I have to say when the police officer asked Cierra to define racism and tell us the source of her definition. I was a little frustrated because instead she retold history. But definitions should be just that - something from a dictionary.
But I loved her inputs because you can see there is intelligence and experience there. Their dialog together was great.
Agree 👍.
but racism isn’t a simple definition bc if so then people’s lives wouldn’t be directly correlated to racism with there being disproportions to other groups. what she did was accurate.
@@michinsaeggi-dakcho Agreed. I think most people only hear "race" when they hear "racism" but forget or don't understand the "ism" portion of the whole word.
Ciera may sound well spoken at first glance because she tries to use more formal words and grammar, but it's just verbal diarhea. Her definition of racism is pure delusion.
its a system of categorisation that has been historically perpetuated. The history is the most important part because its from where these concepts such as race have been founded and built upon. The concept of ‘race’ itself was socially constructed as a colonial tool to justify enslavement based upon the premise of inferiority.
Dino is on point
that was a beautiful conversation and i really wish that our government was more concerned with spending money here in the u.s. to mend our issues rather than sending it overseas... a pipedream, but always hopefully...
I’m inspired by the way everyone spoke and respected each other’s opinions. I loved this episode very insightful
As a black person, I really respected Jimmy for being there and sharing his thoughts. He knew he was an outlier as an older white male. And not saying I agreed with everything he said, but can recognize took some guts
Agreed, he seemed super respectful too.
He is what the black community doesn’t respect. They’ll find every reason not to validate him. When he absolutely did his best. We can’t force the world to change we have to embrace the positive change so it stay. So I applaud him!
guts? he's the typical type from his generation who thinks they belong in any room they enter and swear they are the smartest person there. what would've took guts was him shutting his mouth and listening instead of talking over black people any chance he got
@@talltreeyeti he did tht tho
@@castrodagoat5842 he really didn’t. He listened and the he tried to refute every valid point thrown at him as if he can’t comprehend the things people say actually exist because he doesn’t have to encounter them.
I love Cierra!!!❤❤❤❤
Ciera is such an amazing and educated individual. We need her in the white house frfr👑